#linuxcnc Logs
Feb 22 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:00 AM jesseg: there... 20 meters of 12k fiber CF wire on the way from China... end of next month :P
12:03 AM fragalot: hehe
12:03 AM hazzy: LOL, you will have to report on it
12:03 AM jesseg: absolutely
12:03 AM MrHindsight: http://www.methode.com/products/flexible-heating-elements.html
12:03 AM fragalot: archivist_herron: hey you know when you told us to guess what it is you do?
12:03 AM jesseg: I'm seriously considering making twisted pairs out of it and using it in the raceways on my 3D printer project. I was going to use stranded cat5 but am worried about the lifespan
12:03 AM MrHindsight: http://www.methode.com/products/sonicrimp.html
12:03 AM hazzy: jesseg: That is how I found it! I was looking for an alternate to cat5 for my printer build!
12:03 AM jesseg: hazzy, have you tried stranded cat5 and found it short-lived?
12:03 AM fragalot: i'm currently using 'standard' chainflex cable in mine
12:03 AM hazzy: No, but I can attest that solid cat5 does NOT last long :D
12:03 AM jesseg: hazzy, LOL yeah I wouldn't even try that :D
12:03 AM hazzy: I have a big roll left over, so it is too tempting to just cut a length and use it, hehe
12:04 AM jesseg: LOL roger on that... but... LOL... it breaks so easy with flexing..
12:04 AM fragalot: make the loop bigger
12:05 AM enleth: so I'm overhauling the bridgeport's oil pump (which turned out to be an Interlube unit, not a Bijur, after I cleaned the gunk off of it - explains the Interlube meter units), and the oil level sensor is kinda weird. It's got a styrofoam float with a magnet, on a brass tube with a reed switch inside - but the "active" range on it is very, very short
12:05 AM enleth: like, 2cm or so
12:05 AM jesseg: lol
12:05 AM enleth: such that it would signal low oil when the level is too high as well as too low
12:05 AM hazzy: Its been a pleasure gents, good night!
12:05 AM enleth: and "too high" would be maybe 1/3 of the tank
12:06 AM MrHindsight: http://dacemirror.sci-hub.tw/journal-article/fcb03c881a004b41343f699dabf2d8b7/ata2012.pdf
12:06 AM enleth: do you think this is normal?
12:06 AM MrHindsight: Mechanically Durable and Highly Conductive Elastomeric Composites from Long Single-Walled Carbon Nanotubes Mimicking the Chain Structure of Polymers
12:06 AM jesseg: Night hazzy
12:07 AM fragalot: enleth: does it not have multiple contacts?
12:09 AM fragalot: enleth: actually, i'm thinking you're missing a part
12:09 AM fragalot: enleth: normally switches like that should have a little collar that prevents the float from going above the switch position, so when the tank is full the signal stays on.
12:18 AM jesseg: Ideally you'd have a 1/4 and a empty switch so a warning light comes on when it's down to 1/4 (or whatever) then another when it's empty which could actually inhibit machine operation
12:20 AM fragalot: or you could have it warn you to fill it when it goes low enough that it may inhibit machine operation in a week...
12:20 AM fragalot: at which point you fill it because you're not a lazy bugger that shouldn't be allowed near machinery :P
12:20 AM jesseg: yeah time to go to the store and get another bottle of oil
12:21 AM jesseg: hey guys I've been using chainsaw bar oil in my mill oiler
12:21 AM jesseg: am I a bad person?
12:21 AM jesseg: :P
12:21 AM jesseg: as a matter of fact I use chainsaw bar oil for lots of stuff, it clings so nicely
12:21 AM fragalot: it does, that's because it's made of all of the leftover crap
12:22 AM jesseg: hey it's not my fault if it has molecules that are 3 inches long
12:22 AM fragalot: :P
12:22 AM fragalot: don't you have issues with stick-slip?
12:22 AM jesseg: well I never noticed it.
12:23 AM fragalot: in that case, you do you. :)
12:23 AM jesseg: but LOL
12:23 AM jesseg: I'll have to feel for it next time I'm out there
12:23 AM jesseg: does regular way oil not do that at all?
12:24 AM fragalot: it's designed not to
12:24 AM jesseg: ahh gotcha
12:24 AM jesseg: what's your experience been?
12:25 AM jesseg: I'm thinking back, when turning the handwheel I do tend to overshoot by a few thou because it sticks a little I think
12:25 AM jesseg: moreso if the bed is not near center
12:28 AM enleth: fragalot: ah, right, the collar shifted upwards from the groove it should sit on
12:28 AM fragalot: :-)
12:31 AM enleth: the pump looks almost like new, let's see if it still works
12:32 AM enleth: I think I did not loose any small springs, balls and other small parts that tried to escape when I took it apart
12:33 AM fragalot: :p
12:33 AM fragalot: those are just optional spares they put in
12:33 AM enleth: I cleaned the whole thing with some industrial degreaser after taking it apart almost completely
12:33 AM enleth: there was sludge on the bottom of the tank that quite literally looked as if someone took a shit in there
12:34 AM enleth: a rather loose one too
12:35 AM enleth: this is a lost oil system, I have no idea what they put in there and did to it to have so much gunk in the tank
12:35 AM fragalot: I don't think they knew either.
12:42 AM enleth: well, I filled it and started turning it with a cordless drill
12:42 AM enleth: right direction, it locks up in the wrong one
12:42 AM enleth: so far - ten cycles and nothing
12:42 AM fragalot: do these things need priming?
12:43 AM enleth: I was about to ask
12:43 AM enleth: there is a manual pull thingy on it
12:43 AM enleth: it is, however, extremely hard to pull
12:43 AM enleth: and it's not stuck, it's just got a very stiff spring
12:44 AM enleth: and a very uncomfortable handle
12:44 AM fragalot: :p
12:45 AM enleth: ah, people say to squirt some oil into the outlet to try to prime it
12:45 AM jesseg: That sounds suspect
12:45 AM jesseg: but I guess if the checkvalve is post output..
12:54 AM enleth: ok, I have to take it apart to prime it - there is a check valve at the output
12:54 AM enleth: there's also a t-junction with a plugged side port right below the output valvve
12:54 AM enleth: so that might be a good priming port
01:01 AM jesseg: Why in the world did they have to define an arc by it's endpoints and center.. Why not the center, radius, angle, and arclength in degrees or whatnot :P
01:03 AM enleth: ok, so the output check valve is fine - it squirts oil when I pump it with a hand oiler into the t-junction
01:03 AM jesseg: I mean, the machine has to use the center, radius, and angles with sin()/cos() to create the path anyway :P
01:03 AM enleth: but it still won't prime the damn thing
01:04 AM jesseg: enleth, could you try vacuuming on the t port?
01:04 AM jesseg: I'm frankly surprised it won't prime itself...
01:04 AM jesseg: Usually even if they only pump a little bit at first they will pump enough to prime
01:04 AM jesseg: I mean pumps in general. I have no experience with that model you ahve there.
01:05 AM jesseg: unless the inlet check valve is wide open
01:05 AM jesseg: or jammed shut
01:06 AM fragalot: or backwards
01:07 AM jesseg: LOL true...
01:10 AM jesseg: enleth, try disconnecting the output tube and the t-plug and cover both with fingers and pump and see if you can feel it breathing at all
01:47 AM enleth: does it make any sense for the inlet check valve to have no spring on the ball?
01:48 AM enleth: I don't think there was one in there at all
01:48 AM enleth: but I might have lost it without noticing
01:48 AM enleth: the ball is in there, I definitely put it in
01:49 AM enleth: but I don't remember taking a spring out
01:49 AM enleth: I did not have a spare spring during reasembly either
01:49 AM enleth: so I just dropped the ball in there
01:49 AM enleth: it moves quite freely
01:50 AM enleth: but there isn't anything other than the gravity, and the pump piston backstroke with the resulting fluid movement, that would force it down
01:50 AM evilren: might be some magic with flow and pressure?
01:50 AM enleth: no idea
01:50 AM evilren: if spring didnt fall otu somehow i cant think of anything else
01:50 AM enleth: the pump is almost 40 years old, the part number is completely entirely ungooglable
01:51 AM enleth: so I don't have a parts diagram
01:51 AM evilren: oh
01:51 AM evilren: maybe it dissolved
01:51 AM Deejay: moin
01:52 AM enleth: the output check valve works perfectly
01:52 AM enleth: ok, I'm done with it for today, I'll try to find a spring that would reasonably fit in there tomorrow
01:52 AM evilren: no spring or havent checked?
01:52 AM enleth: haven't checked, I can't take it apart
01:53 AM enleth: the havles are quite stuck together and I didn't want to force it and risk wrenches slipping on the aluminum or twisting something off
01:53 AM enleth: but it works
01:53 AM enleth: I can easily pump through it with an oiler, and in one direction only
01:54 AM enleth: this pump also has two subassemblies I don't quite understand
01:55 AM enleth: one is a needle valve of sorts, in the middle of the pump body, between the cyclic and manual pistons
01:55 AM enleth: it's pushed up by the pressure, I guess
01:55 AM enleth: and down, by an adjustable spring loaded piston
01:55 AM enleth: this is the only part of the pump that can be adjusted without taking it apart
01:57 AM enleth: the other is a block with what looks like an adjustment screw sticking out of it, and two hoses coming out: the actual output hose, and a hose that goes up into a weird fitting with a ball and a grub screw accessible from the top, and a short piece of hose exiting sideways, bent down and back into the tank
01:58 AM enleth: looks like an overpressure relief, or maybe air release
01:58 AM enleth: or both
01:58 AM enleth: I took it apart and maybe I screwed the grub screw too far back in
01:58 AM enleth: generally, this pump is complex enough that a service manual would be handy, but I don't have one
04:16 AM XXCoder: yaa
05:09 AM jthornton: morning
06:04 AM Tom_L: morning
06:34 AM jthornton: looks like the current rain has moved a bit east of me
08:31 AM TurBoss-shop: hello
08:32 AM TurBoss-shop: I'm trying to use GladeVCP and a python handler
08:32 AM TurBoss-shop: but I get this : http://dpaste.com/2EN95FF
08:33 AM TurBoss-shop: this is the python handler http://dpaste.com/2Q48834
08:34 AM TurBoss-shop: and this is how I embedd the tab
08:34 AM TurBoss-shop: http://dpaste.com/125YYTY
08:34 AM TurBoss-shop: I'm using linuxcnc 2.7.12
08:41 AM JT-Shop: pastebin the gladevcp.py
08:43 AM TurBoss-shop: JT-Shop : here it is http://dpaste.com/3D1M4PC
08:47 AM JT-Shop: that's not the python file...
08:51 AM TurBoss-shop: oops
08:51 AM TurBoss-shop: allready pasted
08:51 AM TurBoss-shop: this is the python handler http://dpaste.com/2Q48834
08:53 AM TurBoss-shop: seems to me that the python is not begin loaded because if I introduce "errors" they are not shown
08:54 AM JT-Shop: where is the __init__?
08:54 AM TurBoss-shop: didn't see it on the examples
08:54 AM JT-Shop: look at the hitcounter.py example
08:55 AM TurBoss-shop: okay
08:59 AM TurBoss-shop: JT-Shop: did this : http://dpaste.com/0X92N57 <-- addedinit
08:59 AM TurBoss-shop: same errror
09:00 AM TurBoss-shop: /usr/bin/gladevcp:212: RuntimeWarning: missing handler 'on_hal_checkbutton1_toggled'
09:00 AM TurBoss-shop: builder.connect_signals(handlers)
09:04 AM JT-Shop: I'm not seeing what's wrong... I have to run to town and post some packages
09:04 AM TurBoss-shop: no worries thank you
09:05 AM JT-Shop: prob something simple
09:05 AM TurBoss-shop: sure...
09:05 AM TurBoss-shop: :)
09:05 AM * Tom_L gives JT-Shop a bike to ride instead
09:05 AM TurBoss-shop: :D
09:05 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop, how's your weather?
09:05 AM Tom_L: all iced in here
09:06 AM JT-Shop: 39°F and wet with more rain on the way
09:07 AM Tom_L: just cold enough to keep it froze
09:07 AM Tom_L: should warm up today
09:15 AM cradek_ is now known as cradek
09:19 AM TurBoss-shop: got it! hurray
09:19 AM TurBoss-shop: include ditr
09:20 AM TurBoss-shop: *dir
09:26 AM JT-Shop: yea
09:31 AM roycroft: it is snowing here
09:32 AM roycroft: the city is pretty much shut down
09:35 AM Tom_L: one flake shuts atlanta down
09:35 AM roycroft: it takes five to shut down eugene
09:36 AM roycroft: for the same reason though - neither city has the infrastructure to deal with snow
09:36 AM roycroft: i grew up in chicago
09:36 AM roycroft: when snow was predicted state highway crews would park their plows on the freeway onramps
09:36 AM roycroft: and when it started falling they would immediately start plowing
09:36 AM roycroft: the city did the same thing on city streets
09:37 AM roycroft: well, city plows would clear the parking lots of the italian restaurants first, then start plowing the streets :)
09:37 AM roycroft: here, we don't have the plows
09:37 AM roycroft: main arterials get plowed
09:37 AM roycroft: and that's about it
09:38 AM roycroft: i have never seen a snow plow on my street, and i've lived her for 20 years
09:38 AM roycroft: here
09:40 AM gregcnc: https://www.instagram.com/p/Be8X4qPFPVi/
09:42 AM hazzy: TurBoss-shop: Glad you got the gladevcp to work!
09:43 AM hazzy: gregcnc: https://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/Jordan06.JPG
09:43 AM hazzy: soooo tiny
09:43 AM gregcnc: a guy I know visited there recently
09:44 AM TurBoss-shop: thanks kurt
09:44 AM jesseg: insane... Does that thing really mill metal?
09:46 AM hazzy: gregcnc: Next time I make the 40hr drive to Caly Ill have to make time to go there!
09:46 AM gregcnc: 40 hours? are you in maine?
09:47 AM CNCZombie: "italian restaurants first" ... I lived in Chicago too. I knew a few Italian "plumbers" who had never held a wrench.
09:48 AM gregcnc: jesseg https://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Jordan.htm
09:48 AM jesseg: How does that work, CNCZombie ?
09:48 AM Tom_L: i posted that some time back
09:48 AM Tom_L: pretty cool little stuff
09:49 AM gregcnc: I go to some model engineering shows
09:49 AM gregcnc: fun stuff
09:49 AM CNCZombie: me: "What do you do for a living?" == Tony: "I'm a plumber" == me: "How do you find time to hang out in this pool hall, all day, every day" == Tony: "I like pool more than plumbing. We done here?"
09:51 AM gregcnc: I have some lathing to do today. Maybe add a bar puller to the program.
09:52 AM hazzy: gregcnc: I am in Atlanta, it take about 40hr to get to northern Caly from here (we drive straight thru with milti drivers), but that museum is in the south so only 32hr! That's a piece of cake! :D
09:53 AM jesseg: CNCZombie, lol so is "plumber" just the thing you claim to be if you don't have a job?
09:53 AM gregcnc: I made chicago to san diego in 26 by myself once and I slept some.
09:53 AM Tom_L: behind the wheel?
09:54 AM jesseg: LOL
09:54 AM Tom_L: plumber is a cover for his real job
09:54 AM gregcnc: i stopped for maybe 4 hours
09:55 AM Tom_L: the only wrench he's ever lifted landed in someone's head
09:55 AM CNCZombie: Ha! yep
09:56 AM hazzy: gregcnc: That's pretty good time! My sister drove from AZ to GA with out stopping except to fuel up. All she ate were gummy bears xD
09:56 AM hazzy: And she got caught in a tornado and the car got spun around, lol it was an little echo
09:57 AM gregcnc: that was a long time ago. if i had to take the family now it would be stopping every hour
09:57 AM hazzy: Yeah, we have to stop at every "suitable" clump of trees for the little uns :D
10:17 AM gregcnc: this is the first I heard of a right angle bore gage http://www.fowlerprecision.com/Products/Dial-Bore-Gage/2-6-Right-Angle-Dial-Bore-Gage-52-646-250.html
10:20 AM hazzy: That looks very handy. I guess it could also be used for things like grooves and undercuts
10:35 AM hazzy: Ok, I have been thinking about this for a while, and wonder it you all might have some input.
10:35 AM hazzy: My mill has closed loop steppers, so I have encoders, but they do not have an index. I really like the extra repeatability of homing to an index.
10:35 AM hazzy: What I am thinking I could do is add a little slotted disk and sensor at the end of each screw to get an index, but I am not sure this would actually be any more repeatable than regular limit switch.
10:35 AM hazzy: What do you all think, worth the effort?
10:37 AM jesseg: hazzy, just get an encoder with an index and put it on :D https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Incremental-Optical-Rotay-Encoder-1000P-R-AB-phase-encoder-6mm-Shaft-5-24V/232150550494
10:37 AM jesseg: hazzy, being able to home exactly can be *extremely* useful...
10:38 AM jesseg: On my little tiny CNC pcb engraver, I just set the max torque and speed to low, and run it infinitely negative in x and y then when it bumps the hard stop it stops that axis with a following error
10:39 AM jesseg: that works pretty good too but I understand it's a little redneck and lotta folks wouldn't want to do that
10:39 AM jesseg: but it's extremely useful to to be able to be able to home exactly and resume work after having lost encoder count
10:40 AM jesseg: hazzy, oh here's an actual Omron one for hardly more: https://www.ebay.com/itm/OMRON-E6B2-CWZ6C-Rotary-Encoder-1000P-R-New/252856681203
10:42 AM jesseg: Of course in my case I do PCBs with it so I route top, route bottom, drill, cut out etc., so it's in and out with the PCB to turn it over and inspect it
10:42 AM jesseg: and I may be routing one day and drilling another day
10:42 AM jesseg: so being able to home to exact location days later is extremely useful
10:43 AM jesseg: might not be so important in a one-off type setup
10:43 AM jesseg: But I'd still want to do it :P
10:47 AM jesseg: but yeah you could do a little vane and IR sensor, but might be hard to keep that clean.
10:47 AM jesseg: Also possible is hall and magnetic
11:00 AM hazzy: jesseg: Sorry, I was brainstorming, lying on my back under the mill :)
11:01 AM hazzy: Problem is the motors have integral encoders, so I can't really change them, by I could add additional ones
11:01 AM hazzy: That is not all that expensive
11:01 AM hazzy: hmm
11:02 AM hazzy: I think the new Prusha i3 homes like you home your machine, just stalling the motors on the hard stops, so I guess that is legit
11:04 AM hazzy: I might try the hall sensor and magnet and see how it works, I like that better than optical for some reason
11:32 AM gloops: arent ordinary mechanical switches accurate enough for this?
11:37 AM TurBoss-shop: is posible to stop the spindle while program paused?
11:38 AM gloops: whatever you do - dont switch it off at the mains
11:40 AM Loetmichel: gloops: i found that mechanical switches are usually more accurate than inductive ones for reference pourposes
11:40 AM Loetmichel: especially in enviroments where sometines metal swarf can reach and cover the switches
11:40 AM gloops: yes many say the same Loetmichel, ive never compared them
11:41 AM Loetmichel: the dirt cheap ones i use on all my machines do the job pretty well, less than one step (1/200mm) repeatability. -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=7411&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
11:42 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=7414&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
11:42 AM Loetmichel: and thats covered in loads of sawdust/metal/carbon swarf
11:43 AM Loetmichel: these are the switches: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=560&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
11:44 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
11:44 AM enleth: TurBoss-shop: HAL logic or ladder logic, but be *very* sure you don't make the machine resume a cut withot waiting for the spindle to get up to speed
11:44 AM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel: da friert dir dinstag das loetzin ein
11:45 AM Loetmichel: IchGucksLive: company has central heating. i dont think so ;)
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: and off time if it fails
11:45 AM Loetmichel: nope
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: guten Abend Califax
11:46 AM Loetmichel: if it fails i will get a paniced call from my boss. "DO something!!!!111"
11:46 AM IchGucksLive: Califax: in Brandenburg bis minus 25
11:52 AM Deejay: wat? wann?
11:52 AM Deejay: bis -10°C hier
12:09 PM TurBoss-shop: thank you enleth
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: hi Dave
12:18 PM fragalot: ello
12:41 PM JT-Shop: hi
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8
01:01 PM gloops: hmm, 2 tb6600 drivers arrive, not quite the same in appearance as the one i bought before
01:06 PM * JT-Shop takes five
01:09 PM Tom_L: gloops different features?
01:10 PM Tom_L: now it's rain instead of ice
01:10 PM Tom_L: rain will freeze though
01:10 PM gloops: just outward appearance, the first one has a removable metal metal strip on the side with 2 screws, these dont, probably the same card inside, i think there was an upgraded version at some time maybe ive got some of each
01:11 PM Tom_L: what's the current / voltage rating on those?
01:14 PM gloops: 4 amp, 42v
01:38 PM djdelorie_ is now known as djdelorie
01:56 PM gloops: software manager is pretty useless, it always bugs up
01:58 PM hazzy: gloops: Synaptic?
01:59 PM gloops: synaptic is always ok, the 'software manager' always tries to launch then fails, had it with all installations of mint
02:07 PM hazzy: Ah, I have never even tried the mint software manager, in fact I did not know it existed! I just use apt on mint
02:13 PM gloops: im not very up sing linux lol
02:13 PM gloops: up on using linux
02:14 PM XXCoder: I always use synatic. baked in software managers usually suck
02:19 PM hazzy1 is now known as hazzy
02:21 PM JT-Shop: what is synatic?
02:24 PM XXCoder: synasptic whatever. THE softwre manager
02:24 PM XXCoder: all others is pale attempts to make management easier
02:26 PM gloops: yeah that software manager is for new ex-windows linux users
02:26 PM gloops: click and install
02:29 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: https://skirting-and-bellows.com/ came back with $344ea vs $1400ea
02:44 PM JT-Shop: synspastic
02:44 PM JT-Shop: yea I like synaptic too
02:45 PM Tom_L: i thought you said they were the high one
02:47 PM TurBoss-shop: hazzy you arround?
02:47 PM TurBoss-shop: :P
02:50 PM hazzy: TurBoss-shop: Yes
02:50 PM TurBoss-shop: do you know about gtk2 spinbutton?
02:50 PM hazzy: I did, but I probably forgot xD
02:51 PM hazzy: What are you trying to do?
02:51 PM TurBoss-shop: if I use the scrollwheel the spinbutton the number changes ok
02:51 PM TurBoss-shop: but if I tipe the number with the keyboard
02:52 PM TurBoss-shop: if I not press the return key
02:52 PM TurBoss-shop: when i scrollwheel again it doesn't take care of the entered number
02:52 PM Tom_L: should be
02:52 PM TurBoss-shop: is there any way to simulate the return key
02:53 PM TurBoss-shop: ?
02:53 PM Tom_L: what if you want 11 instead of 1?
02:53 PM hazzy: You could connect to the focus out event, and then activate the button
02:53 PM Tom_L: aka turn the volume up to 11
02:53 PM TurBoss-shop: Great!!!
02:53 PM TurBoss-shop: genious
02:53 PM TurBoss-shop: trying
02:54 PM TurBoss-shop: I just need to activate it
02:54 PM hazzy: That should work. The adjustment might also have a `changed` signal that you could connect to
02:55 PM TurBoss-shop: did that
02:55 PM TurBoss-shop: changed not value_changed
02:57 PM hazzy: The spinbutton as a `value_changed` signal, but the adjustment should also has a `changed` signal
02:57 PM TurBoss-shop: yes
02:57 PM TurBoss-shop: and how can I activate it?
02:57 PM TurBoss-shop: widget.activated?
02:57 PM TurBoss-shop: on_change?
02:58 PM TurBoss-shop: ok I found set_activates_default(setting)
03:00 PM hazzy: There should be a virtual method to activate it, something like `spinbutton.activate()`
03:00 PM hazzy: At least in GTK3
03:01 PM TurBoss-shop: ok thanks!
03:01 PM * TurBoss-shop goes AFK
03:02 PM hazzy: http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/class-gtkwidget.html#method-gtkwidget--activate
03:19 PM * TurBoss-shop is back
03:20 PM TurBoss-shop: activate does nothing
03:20 PM TurBoss-shop: :(
03:23 PM hazzy: Hmm, can you post your code one more time?
03:23 PM TurBoss-shop: sek
03:24 PM Tom_L: hazzy, this isn't the gui you're working on is it?
03:24 PM hazzy: Tom_L: No, this is a gladevcp for axis
03:25 PM hazzy: TurBoss gave up on me ever finishing hazzy
03:25 PM hazzy: :D
03:25 PM Tom_L: heh
03:25 PM Tom_L: how's your gui goin?
03:26 PM hazzy: it is going, but we are having some problems with GTK3 :(
03:26 PM hazzy: I am waiting for TurBoss to find out how to fix them :)
03:27 PM TurBoss-shop: yes?
03:27 PM TurBoss-shop: xD
03:27 PM hazzy: No, I am just kidding you
03:27 PM hazzy: xD
03:33 PM JT-Shop: I tried a while ago to make a GUI with GTK3 and Python3 but gave up after finding so much broken... I wonder if they have it working yet
03:35 PM Tom_L: really cracks me up when ppl rag on windows so much...
03:36 PM roycroft: windows is just too difficult to administer for me to want to bother with it
03:36 PM roycroft: and it's too difficult to work with most windows apps
03:36 PM roycroft: but i've been using unix since before msdos existed
03:36 PM CaptHindsight: we hack windows quite a bit and remove all unwanted services
03:36 PM roycroft: so that probably skews my perspective somewhat
03:36 PM Tom_L: find a solidworks, mastercam, etc etc in linux that works better
03:37 PM roycroft: i'm used to a simple, easy, understandable operating system
03:37 PM hazzy: JT-Shop: I really, really like the semantics of GTK3, it is just so clean compared to Qt, and I think it looks killer, but in terms of performance and bug it is just not quite there. Very disappointing
03:37 PM Tom_L: my bud actually got a machine in with xp on it
03:37 PM Tom_L: he didn't keep it but i was rather surprised
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: CAD/CAM and gaming
03:38 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: that's getting increasingly difficult with win10 randomly enabling things behind your back again
03:38 PM roycroft: tom_l: i've said throught my career, when folks ask me what computer/os they should use, that they should first detemrine what application software they need, then choose an operating system that runs their apps, and then choose a compjuter that runs their operating system
03:38 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: or disabling.. like symlink/junctions
03:38 PM JT-Shop: hazzy: I looked at QT and I agree Qt is way over complicated to program in for a GUI
03:38 PM roycroft: that i think windows is a poor operating system and a pain in the butt to administer does not mean i don't recommend it to folks
03:38 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: not if they are deleted :)
03:38 PM Tom_L: roycroft, i use both OS
03:38 PM Tom_L: whatever fits the bill
03:38 PM roycroft: if your app runs on windows the run windows
03:38 PM roycroft: i have some windows-only apps that i use
03:39 PM roycroft: i run them in virtual machines on my macs
03:39 PM roycroft: thank goodness we have virtualization these days
03:39 PM roycroft: it makes these decisions a lot easier
03:39 PM roycroft: also, i have more problems with windows when i'm running several different apps on it
03:39 PM roycroft: with virtualization i can spin off a vm for each major app
03:40 PM roycroft: and that ameliorates the problems somewhat
03:40 PM roycroft: plus, i don't do any general-purpose internet stuff with windows
03:40 PM roycroft: while windows security has improved of late, it has been pretty poor traditionally
03:41 PM roycroft: and windows requires constant updates to keep it secure
03:41 PM roycroft: updates that often break application software
03:41 PM Tom_L: as does linux
03:41 PM hazzy: I am on windows now because of F360, and I can't even print a document to save my life, something I don't even think about on debian, just ctrl+p and fetch it from the printer.
03:41 PM roycroft: running single apps in a windows vm means i don't have to connct the windows vms to the internet all the time
03:41 PM fragalot: anything connected requires continuous updates to remain secure
03:41 PM roycroft: yes
03:41 PM roycroft: but i don't need the internet to run solidworks
03:41 PM fragalot: the only thing is that certain apps are better at updating without breaking shit
03:42 PM roycroft: i need my local network for that
03:42 PM roycroft: so i put my windows vm that runs solidworks on the local network
03:42 PM roycroft: and i set that vm's gateway to be a null interface on a router in my network
03:42 PM roycroft: it can talk to the local network (printers, backup server, file server) just fine
03:42 PM roycroft: but it cannot reach the outside world
03:42 PM roycroft: so i don't do any windows updates on it, because it's not necessary
03:43 PM hazzy: Updates are painless on linux! I do them for fun, not so on Windows
03:43 PM Tom_L: hazzy, ctrl-p doesn't ask if you want it collated, double sided, book form, landscape, portrait etc
03:43 PM roycroft: updates are not always painless on linux
03:43 PM Tom_L: scaled...
03:43 PM roycroft: but they certainly go better than on windows
03:44 PM hazzy: I have never had a serious hiccup on linux updates, but it is inevitable to have some problems
03:44 PM Tom_L: hazzy i have an update pending on a linux box with around 60+ updates that won't finish
03:45 PM Tom_L: the point is, i don't feel one os is better or worse than the other
03:45 PM Tom_L: unless it's apple of course :D
03:45 PM hazzy: haha
03:46 PM fragalot: nothings more fun than the olde circular dependencies when updating world on Gentoo in the golden days
03:46 PM * Tom_L own's one apple product not by choice
03:46 PM hazzy: I go back and forth depending on what I am doing. It is just like tools, sometimes the Haas is best, other times the BP
03:46 PM Tom_L: so do i
03:47 PM Tom_L: i'd be hard pressed to give up linuxcnc
03:47 PM Tom_L: but won't use linux tools to program it
03:48 PM hazzy: yes, lacking good CAM for linux is a big problem. That is the main reason I uses windows, for solidowks and HSMworks
03:51 PM hazzy: I am trying to learn F360, I am really hoping they come out with a decent web version I can use on Linux.
03:52 PM hazzy: I am remodeling stuff I designed in SW to get a feel for it, still not sure if I like F360 or not.
03:53 PM hazzy: It looks prettier than SW :D https://i.imgur.com/xu8SED8.png
03:54 PM fragalot: I have mixed feelings about the joints
03:55 PM pink_vampire: hazzy: how you are going to machine those gears?
03:55 PM hazzy: fragalot: Same here. I am so entrenched in mates it makes it real hard
03:56 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: what do you use for a high temp low volume pump on your brewing equipment?
03:56 PM fragalot: hazzy: that, and their "history" thing is idiotic :P
03:56 PM CaptHindsight: sorry roycroft
03:56 PM hazzy: pink_vampire: I am not, going to 3D print!
03:56 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: define high temp
03:56 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: sorry, question was for roycroft
03:56 PM fragalot: answer the question!
03:56 PM fragalot: :D
03:57 PM CaptHindsight: hot water not steam
03:58 PM Deejay: gn8
03:58 PM fragalot: verder air membrane pump. *nods*
03:58 PM fragalot: good up to 70°C on most of their models
03:58 PM CaptHindsight: 100c
03:59 PM fragalot: ask roycroft. :P
04:00 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: i should have thought of that
04:00 PM CaptHindsight: hey roycroft (not fragalot) and ideas?
04:00 PM CaptHindsight: and/any
04:00 PM fragalot: who's ideas?
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: anywhos (besides fragalot)
04:01 PM fragalot: actually the PTFE range from verder goes to 120C
04:02 PM CaptHindsight: verder sounds funny
04:03 PM CaptHindsight: have any supplier recommendations that don't rhyme?
04:03 PM fragalot: does it have to be hygenic?
04:04 PM CaptHindsight: yes, hygiene is important, also beard free is preferred
04:04 PM gloops: that rules out a lot of goats
04:04 PM CaptHindsight: yes, no goat pumps
04:05 PM fragalot: dominator pumps go to 100°C and have hygienic versions
04:06 PM fragalot: SMC goes to 100 too with their PA series, but whilst it's 316S and PTFE it's not a hygienic design
04:07 PM fragalot: anyway - i'm off..
04:07 PM CaptHindsight: home brewing has ruined the google search
04:08 PM XXCoder: LOL https://shop.popsci.com/sales/new-army-gear-flashlights-2-pack
04:08 PM XXCoder: and I thought my 500 lumen one is bright.
04:09 PM XXCoder: (ues I know 10,000 lumen one does exist but not commerical)
04:11 PM gloops: how about - washing machine pump
04:12 PM gloops: reliable, virtually indestructible
04:12 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.superiorlighting.com/LED_Outdoor_Flood_Lights_LED_Security_Lights_p/wide-led-floodlight.htm mount this on a helmet
04:12 PM gloops: no precision parts to get jammed by swarf
04:13 PM XXCoder: 300w lol battery would be pretty heavy
04:13 PM XXCoder: later
04:14 PM CaptHindsight: no swarf, just needs to meet FDA
04:15 PM CaptHindsight: 110C hot grits, few L/min
04:18 PM hazzy: CaptHindsight: What, you don't add swarf to your mash?
04:21 PM gloops: making beer or something?
04:34 PM Tom_L: hazzy you should 3d print it as one piece
04:35 PM hazzy: I already did :P
04:35 PM hazzy: It works very well with the spiral bevel gears
04:35 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/prints/Ti_print2.jpg
04:35 PM Tom_L: Ti
04:36 PM hazzy: Nice! Its like a fractal
04:36 PM Tom_L: not mine
04:37 PM Tom_L: from the tech college here
04:37 PM Tom_L: they like to show off while spending my tax money
04:39 PM hazzy: They (I) do the same here!
04:39 PM hazzy: https://i.imgur.com/uXBkgAM.jpg
04:39 PM hazzy: That was printed at your expense. Thank you!
04:42 PM Tom_L: at least you're conservative
04:42 PM Tom_L: alot less cost than the metal printer
04:45 PM hazzy: That is true. We have some EOS metal printers, but we only print real parts on those, no knickknacks
04:48 PM skunkworks__: http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20170525_132343.jpg
04:48 PM pink_vampire: skunkworks__: very nice print
04:49 PM skunkworks__: http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20170709_185120.jpg
04:49 PM skunkworks__: and cute kids!
04:49 PM pink_vampire: AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
04:50 PM skunkworks__: http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20170511_140046.jpg
04:51 PM skunkworks__: thanks - have not printing in a while. need to get back to it. Very happy for the price (monoprice mini v2)
04:51 PM skunkworks__: printing its own mods.. http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20170608_135243.jpg
04:52 PM pink_vampire: nice
04:53 PM jesseg: haha nice chain drag
04:53 PM hazzy: Those are very nice quality prints sam! Better than our stratasys
04:53 PM jesseg: super cute kids too skunkworks__ those yours?
04:53 PM skunkworks__: that is what they tell me...
04:53 PM jesseg: LOL
04:53 PM skunkworks__: :)
04:54 PM * hazzy agrees with jesseg
04:54 PM jesseg: You know, I think a 3D printed cable drag chain has got to be *the* *most* useful thing ever 3D printed out of plastic. Just sayin'.
04:55 PM skunkworks__: http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20170515_120510.jpg course
04:55 PM skunkworks__: mostly printed toys for the kids so far...
04:55 PM hazzy: HAHA NICE!
04:55 PM skunkworks__: Thanks
04:55 PM jesseg: haha
04:55 PM skunkworks__: jesseg, yes - it worked very well. I was going to print some for a plasma I am working on but have not gotten around to it
04:55 PM hazzy: I just bought a FLSUN i3 for playing at home with. Hope it is decent
04:56 PM skunkworks__: this has a small work area - but it was a good starter for me..
04:56 PM jesseg: cool
04:56 PM skunkworks__: if I want bigger - I will build it.
04:56 PM skunkworks__: probably
04:56 PM skunkworks__: maybe
04:57 PM skunkworks__: bbl
04:57 PM hazzy: Shoot, kinda wishing I had got the monoprice, I could always use it to make a bigger printer
04:57 PM hazzy: Those prints look so good
04:57 PM skunkworks__: it was $200 new or a little less. very good deal imho
04:58 PM skunkworks__: has some quirks.. but runs well
04:58 PM skunkworks__: it pretty much 'just worked' tm
04:58 PM hazzy: yeah, it is still only 220$, thats a steal for a per-asymbled
04:58 PM hazzy: steal even
04:58 PM skunkworks__: first print - out of the box and turned on (its sample print
04:59 PM skunkworks__: http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20170504_202641.jpg
05:02 PM * hazzy looks into canceling his FLSUN order
05:06 PM jym: skunkworks__: WTH is that? Your new product line?
05:06 PM CaptHindsight: did anyone ever make a larger dia extruder 1-3mm?
05:07 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Since when is 3mm "larger" ?
05:07 PM * Tom_L shoves jym in a barrel and rolls him down a hill
05:08 PM * jym rolls over Tom_L and turns him into a pancake
05:08 PM jym: CaptHindsight: that wans't sarcasim btw
05:09 PM CaptHindsight: jym: as you are probably well aware, the filament used to feed the FDM printers only use a 1.75/3mm filament with a nozzle that outputs .15 -.6mm dia
05:10 PM CaptHindsight: a nozzle that outputs 1-3mm would be much larger
05:11 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Actually, not aware at all. I haven't even looked at or consider a sub $40,000 3D printer in the least.
05:11 PM jym: CaptHindsight: anything less, to me, is a glorified hot glue gun -shrug-
05:11 PM gloops: well, i can honestly say, february is the most boring month of them all
05:12 PM jym: CaptHindsight: I'd suspect that the thermal element would be the critical factor.
05:13 PM jym: CaptHindsight: ... to maintain viscosity and capacity for the flow rate
05:13 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: we have President Day here in Feb
05:14 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Although, I kinda like the liquid/optically cured 3D priting
05:14 PM gloops: CaptHindsight, not much of a highlight is it
05:14 PM CaptHindsight: it's also Black History Month, what could be more fun?
05:14 PM CaptHindsight: not a history fan?
05:14 PM gloops: pretty indifferent to that tbh
05:14 PM CaptHindsight: also Valentines Day, not a romantic?
05:14 PM gloops: nope
05:15 PM hazzy: I always though Feb was engineers mouth.
05:16 PM hazzy: month even
05:16 PM hazzy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Engineers_Week_(U.S.)
05:16 PM hazzy: OK, only week
05:16 PM gloops: its not quite the end of something you really want to see the end of
05:18 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64XESsTfv_4 Reebok Liquid Factory
05:18 PM Tom_L: engineers deserve more, even chinese new year lasts 11 days
05:23 PM CaptHindsight: what if your sneakers only cost $5 a pair and could be used for food after a month or so of use, like instant ramen?
05:23 PM enleth: okay, the Interlube pump works - the priming procedure is rather complicated, it took some trial and error without any documentation
05:29 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight, change your flavor by where you walk?
05:31 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: could also come with a flavor packet
05:31 PM Tom_L: insole?
05:31 PM Tom_L: hah
05:32 PM jym: CaptHindsight: instant ramen would STILL give you better traction =)
05:32 PM CaptHindsight: sour pickles, sour bread etc
05:32 PM jym: CaptHindsight: <--- sour pus
05:32 PM CaptHindsight: filet of sole
05:33 PM CaptHindsight: jym: what's been happinin in your neck of the woods?
05:33 PM jym: CaptHindsight: SNOW
05:33 PM CaptHindsight: too much?
05:34 PM jym: CaptHindsight: and 20 something mornings
05:34 PM CaptHindsight: drought to floods this spring?
05:34 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Yeah, it's been a short winter, so I suspect LOTS of fires come summer
05:35 PM jym: CaptHindsight: I'm already in a HIGH FIRE ZONE as it is
05:36 PM CaptHindsight: jym: how close did the fires come to you last year?
06:10 PM jym: CaptHindsight: This close -><- to a manditory evacuation
07:12 PM ves: By the three hells of whatever... trying to get linuxcnc 2.7 to make install
07:15 PM CaptHindsight: ves: installing from the LiveCD or trying to add LCNC to your previous install?
07:28 PM ziper: if i CNC retrofit a mediocre lathe is it a significant investment to swap it over to a better one
07:30 PM CaptHindsight: motors and control can be the same
07:30 PM CaptHindsight: it's the changeover to ballscrews that adds some cost
07:31 PM CaptHindsight: if you can reuse the ballscrews then it's mostly just new brackets
08:50 PM ves: thought I had some 1"x0.200 ball screws -- they're 25mm x 5mm ball screws
08:52 PM Tom_L: should still work
08:55 PM Tom_L: just set the SCALE right in each axis section
08:56 PM CaptHindsight: but now everything will be off by 25.4 X
08:57 PM Tom_L: using 10x microstep mine ended up at 10160
08:58 PM Tom_L: x3 for Z since it's got the 3:1 pulley
10:34 PM hazzy: https://i.imgur.com/o0PBTJU.gifv
10:34 PM hazzy: Goodness gracious that hurt, but at least I did not land in a cactus :)
10:35 PM hazzy: Everyone else fell so my sister started filming, my fall was not the most spectacular though, hehe
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11:41 PM jesseg: ok I start to hurt after about 10 seconds of watching that
11:42 PM jesseg: hazzy, if you carry a big stick in such places like that you can stick it out on the ground behind you, and if your feet shoot forward out from under you, you lean on the stick and just slide down without falling
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