#linuxcnc Logs
Feb 14 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:08 AM absynth is now known as dan2wik
12:49 AM fragalot: MrHindsight: You need to step up your game if you want to keep up in this world. :) (dutch article) https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/02/13/-nanobots--bevechten-tumoren-door-hun-bloedtoevoer-te-blokkeren-/
12:59 AM MrHindsight: kinda older tech
01:00 AM MrHindsight: Google translate did not like that page
01:14 AM Cromaglious_: sheeshz... can't maintainers have ncurses, g++, and qt5 ready to go...
01:31 AM gloops: vfd and z axis to mess about with, could be basically all funtional by the weekend
01:36 AM jesseg: that's kind of exciting gloops
01:39 AM gloops: you would think so jesseg but all the excitement went out of this some time ago lol, it will be a relief thats for sure
01:41 AM gloops: ive seen all parts of it moving, pretty content it will be a decent machine, even when its up and running theres still going to be a period of assessment and adjustments and improvements no doubt
01:42 AM jesseg: yeah
01:47 AM gloops: trouble is probably, there are other things i want to look at doing, and theyre all on hold until this project is done, i want to get my head round encoding and get that working
01:51 AM jesseg: encoding?
01:52 AM gloops: like spindle or shaft encoding, tracking position
01:52 AM gloops: not done any of that yet
01:52 AM jesseg: AHhhh yes
01:57 AM Deejay: moin
02:25 AM gloops: where should the 12-24v input on a bob be grounded to?
02:26 AM gloops: same ground as the 12-24v supply i would assume
03:00 AM gloops: spindle is working thats another tick, just need to invert the pin
03:02 AM gloops: setp parport.0.pin-01-out-invert 1
03:08 AM gloops: which means ill possibly have 3 axis and a spindle working today
03:36 AM gloops: only thing not working is the spindle speed panel, pasted the xml into my hal, and the display link to it, panel appears but doesnt change, must be a connection to the pwm somewhere in the hal
03:37 AM gloops: that is a minor detail though,
04:11 AM jthornton-: morning
04:19 AM jthornton- is now known as jthornton
04:27 AM XXCoder: hey
04:49 AM jthornton: I need to make a mount for this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06Y2G8PL3
04:49 AM jthornton: to this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076MPL9P1
04:50 AM XXCoder: seems strightforward
04:50 AM XXCoder: lathe a double barrel, add tapped holes on bottom for that, and around rim for len, and finally some sort input for wires
04:51 AM Wolf__: stick cam in hole, shoot some hot snot (glue) on it, done
04:51 AM jthornton: double barrel?
04:51 AM jthornton: lol
04:52 AM XXCoder: well not best word but basically cut but with hole inside it with wall
04:52 AM XXCoder: *cup
04:52 AM Wolf__: me I would cad something up and 3d print it
04:53 AM jthornton: yea I need to get some measurements of each part
04:53 AM jthornton: what's that place that has all the 3d parts you can download
04:54 AM jthornton: can't remember the name
04:54 AM Wolf__: thingiverse
04:54 AM jthornton: ah yes thanks
04:55 AM jthornton: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:964490
04:55 AM Wolf__: I need to order parts for a oven yay...
04:56 AM jthornton: heat treat oven?
04:56 AM Wolf__: yup
04:57 AM Wolf__: also need to glue a brick back together
05:00 AM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/DQY59cf.jpg Not good, https://i.imgur.com/EF9Vh6A.jpg broken coil not so helpful, and control upgrade https://i.imgur.com/zcFzTVO.jpg which wont go over 1999F for some stupid reason, but will go up to 1999C…
05:01 AM XXCoder: fancy
05:01 AM XXCoder: strange that it can do 1999c but not 1999f I wonder if its switched up
05:02 AM Wolf__: small oven, only 6”x6”x6”
05:02 AM XXCoder: but 1999c is pretty lot hotter than 1999f
05:02 AM Wolf__: yeah, I think its a programming fail
05:02 AM Wolf__: oven and thermocouple go up to 2300F
05:03 AM TurBoss: morning
05:03 AM XXCoder: you'd have to heat it to say 1000c and then 1000f and compare
05:03 AM XXCoder: 1999cb might "work" as 1999c but damage or break something
05:04 AM Wolf__: just a matter of where the thing cuts off/on
05:04 AM XXCoder: yeah
05:04 AM XXCoder: simple to test if c is c and f is f or otherwise
05:05 AM Wolf__: I’m thinking that they just fucked the programming for c vs F
05:06 AM jthornton: this is interesting https://github.com/ccrisan/motioneyeos
05:07 AM Wolf__: when you switch from 1999F it drops to 1092c as it should
05:08 AM Wolf__: at worst I’ll just need to make myself a chart in C for heat treating
05:10 AM Wolf__: interesting somewhat jt
05:11 AM jthornton: I've been using motion on a stock raspian install be interesting to see what is different
05:12 AM jthornton: I need to put a SD card reader on this linux pc so I can burn images
05:12 AM gloops: wow the wonders of fate, bought wrong taps for ballscrew locking nut, stuck again! but..about 10 years ago a woman gave me a bag of old imperial spanners and a tin of random nuts and bolts, never found anything in it that fit anything else...until now woohoo, z axis locked up
05:14 AM jthornton: nice
05:17 AM gloops: strange a 12mm diamter 1mm pitch nut should be in there..everything else is old imperial, she was a religious woman..very strange that should fit perfect
05:20 AM gloops: best place for z 0, top or bottom?
05:22 AM malcom2073: I've always heard top, whch I've found odd
05:22 AM malcom2073: Then Z negative is into your workpiece
05:22 AM gloops: im thinking bottom
05:23 AM Wolf__: top
05:23 AM gloops: why top?
05:23 AM malcom2073: I guess then tools don't matter for your Z 0
05:23 AM jthornton: top
05:23 AM malcom2073: If you have a long tool, you won't be able to zero
05:23 AM malcom2073: at bottom
05:23 AM gloops: hmm that is a point
05:24 AM Wolf__: 0 at top of Z is harder to drive a tool in to your table with
05:24 AM gloops: just get my head round this
05:24 AM gloops: im 0 at the top, the cut is z -1mm
05:24 AM gloops: linuxcnc inverts the direction then to increase the cut?
05:24 AM Wolf__: you need to add touch off for tool
05:25 AM gloops: yes i touch off then at say z 100
05:25 AM Wolf__: which will make work piece top 0
05:25 AM jthornton: jog z + goes up, home z first
05:25 AM gloops: the first cut will actually be z 101mm
05:25 AM Wolf__: your first cut will be whatever your cam post makes it lol
05:26 AM gloops: jthornton if z 0 is at the top wont jog - as it travels toward 0?
05:26 AM jthornton: jog - goes down + goes up
05:26 AM Wolf__: Z up is + , Z down is -
05:26 AM gloops: confusing
05:27 AM gloops: 0 at the top, + going up?
05:27 AM jthornton: yep
05:27 AM gloops: well ill have it the top and see
05:27 AM Wolf__: mill/router is removing so usually youre going Z -
05:28 AM Wolf__: unless youre a weirdo who puts workpiece z0 at the bottom of the part…
05:28 AM gloops: Wolf thats what im saying, if 0 is the bottom and increasing the cut lowers the z, thats logical
05:29 AM gloops: ill go with the top anyway, its only for the home switch
05:30 AM Wolf__: like I said, your home Z0 really doesnt matter, because you need to set off sets for top of work part and tool length off set
05:30 AM XXCoder: yeah only thing that matters on home is repeatability on homing
05:30 AM gloops: yes the penny will drop eventually
05:30 AM XXCoder: I dont really recommand downwards for home
05:30 AM XXCoder: since you'd have to remove tool or it smashes into something
05:31 AM Wolf__: but part being cut top surface is usually set to Z0 in the work cords
05:31 AM gloops: yes it 0s on the touch off
05:31 AM gloops: right back to it
05:31 AM XXCoder: many of parts at work z0 is on bottom, expecially if its part 1 of 2 sets of gcode to cut top then bottom
05:32 AM XXCoder: top isnt as reliable on clearing raw cut off if raw block size varies
05:32 AM Wolf__: all depends on who sets up the work cords in the cam lol
05:32 AM XXCoder: yeah
05:32 AM Wolf__: being home gamer I set top corner as 0
05:33 AM Wolf__: but I also square my raw stock
05:33 AM Wolf__: before setup for run
05:33 AM jthornton: the only time I set a tool for Z0 at the bottom of a part is when I'm sizing and squaring a piece of material
05:33 AM XXCoder: not much choice to do so at work
05:34 AM jthornton: once the material is to size then Z0 is the top of the part
05:34 AM Wolf__: yeah, Im betting that the Z0 for you is more likely the work holding
05:34 AM XXCoder: techogrip is wonderous stuff
05:35 AM XXCoder: but watch out ebay sell many techogrips without clamps. clamps is expensive
05:40 AM XXCoder: jthornton: another lighting system lol http://www.technoshamanarchist.net/
05:42 AM jthornton: cool
05:43 AM Wolf__: this should be fun to make if I can get the laser figured out lol https://i.imgur.com/bqIP0N2.png?1
05:47 AM Wolf__: wrapping a round donut tube seems like the least efficient way to led something like that lol
05:50 AM XXCoder: maybe
05:50 AM XXCoder: heh
05:50 AM jthornton: yea I was thinking the same thing... lots of leds on the dark side
05:51 AM XXCoder: not with reflector
05:51 AM Wolf__: oddly you can get led in ring form https://i.imgur.com/OfUAuMH.jpg
05:51 AM XXCoder: some loss yeah
05:52 AM Wolf__: I actually need to see about ordering one for my magnifying lamp thing
05:53 AM XXCoder: finally found http://www.technigrip.com/
05:58 AM jthornton: wow those tombstones are expensive
06:45 AM gloops: well some progress today, spindle working, z working, getting an unidentified 'knock' from the z ballscrew though
06:57 AM jthornton: https://www.banggood.com/2500mW-A3-30x40cm-Desktop-DIY-Violet-Laser-Engraver-Picture-CNC-Printer-Assembling-Kits-p-1003863.html
07:01 AM gloops: probably not worth trying to make one for that, but looks bigger in the photos to me than it really is heh
07:04 AM jthornton: 380mm x 300mm working area seems decent
07:05 AM jthornton: You might receive the new / old version randomly.Please make sure you know it. Thank you.
07:18 AM MarkusBec: this parts based on a katalog
07:18 AM MarkusBec: you can order it in any size and with extras on aliexpress
07:18 AM MarkusBec: if you ask for it
07:19 AM MarkusBec: but 2500mW Laser is a joke anyway :)
07:28 AM Jymmm: And it's NOT bi-directional (the software)
07:30 AM Jymmm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdKnaIsnpOQ
07:33 AM jthornton: that's the old version
07:40 AM Jymmm: It's cute, might be better suited for a pick n place machine
07:42 AM Jymmm: Hmmm, since it's so light, could put suction cups on the feet, and engrave glass
07:42 AM Jymmm: Oh, hmmm, they say no glass =( nevermind
07:51 AM Jymmm: Hey... piercing probes for $7 https://www.banggood.com/DANIU-Insulation-Piercing-Test-Clip-Set-Alligator-Probes-For-Car-Circuit-Detection-p-1157627.html
07:52 AM gloops: not cost much to build one, only talking 10mm shaft and bearings, 3 nema 17s are about £20, could use wood for frame, but its the time
07:52 AM Jymmm: That's not bad, I've seen some piercing probes go for $60 EACH
07:53 AM Jymmm: gloops: Just depends on what your time is worth.
07:54 AM gloops: yeah suppose, you can also make to your own specs
07:54 AM Jymmm: Or just click BUY NOW and be done with it =)
07:55 AM gloops: are you done with it though, or do you have to then start fixing half of it up to make it work
07:56 AM Jymmm: Ummmm, DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.banggood.com/R50-2W7-Length-17_5mm-100Pcs-Spring-Test-Probes-Receptacle-Pre-wired-p-1228859.html
08:00 AM gloops: i suppose im going to have to buy some drag line stuff
08:01 AM gloops: ive got some shower pipe flexi stuff i was going to try, thread the wire down it, wouldnt get snagged i dont think
08:01 AM JT-Shop: anyone use a laser to make pcb boards?
08:06 AM Jymmm: CO2 laser cat cut copper, but i suppose you could coat the copper with paint as a mask, then use the laser to etch through the paint, then place in etchant
08:07 AM Jymmm: Then you'll have to deal with drilling if thru-hole
08:22 AM JT-Shop: hmm yea if you etch the traces you have to drill as well
08:55 AM jesseg: JT-Shop, I tried using a laser to expose the iron-on etch resist dry film, but it was a green laser and had no effect of exposure...
08:56 AM jesseg: so then I tried a UV led and that worked. So I just ordered a uv laser module off ebay
09:20 AM Jymmm: JT-Shop: laser etched mirror I created... https://i.imgur.com/ERKKrvs.png
09:48 AM jesseg: Who'd you make that for, Jymmm ? LOL
09:49 AM jesseg: I have no exposure to skid row culture but I think I sense a pun in there....
09:49 AM Jymmm: jesseg: caveman art essencially
09:49 AM jesseg: ahh
09:49 AM JT-Shop: cool
09:50 AM jesseg: so did you burn off all the silvering except for the lettering? in the photo it just looks black and white, and not like a mirrow
09:50 AM jesseg: mirror
09:50 AM Jymmm: jesseg: Have you ever tried photographing a mirror???? It's a mudder mucking bitch!!!
09:50 AM jesseg: well.. Think I should try to write a route-around algo for PCB milling...? it's way above my skill level :P
09:51 AM jesseg: Jymmm, yeah they are a pain alright, that's why I was asking :D
09:51 AM jesseg: I wasn't sure if the letters were the reflecting part or the transparent part
09:51 AM gloops: whats this? i missed the url
09:51 AM Jymmm: gloops: scroll back?
09:51 AM jesseg: gloops, https://i.imgur.com/ERKKrvs.png
09:52 AM jesseg: Jymmm, he'd pinged out
09:52 AM gloops: hey thats ok
09:52 AM gloops: yeah dropped off
09:52 AM Jymmm: jesseg: It's a plain mirror, I lasered edge off the silving on the back, then painted.
09:52 AM gloops: ahh just read it lol
09:55 AM Jymmm: Anyone have a SHITTON of zeners they dont know what to do with... https://youtu.be/mbpP-zsHcrs?t=565
09:57 AM jesseg: Jymmm, any diodes with clear packages work, especially LEDs (except I don't know about white LEDs.)
09:57 AM jesseg: Jymmm, hmm, looks like that fellow has a bunch of the diodes in backwarsd..
09:58 AM Jymmm: jesseg: and you can reverse bias led's to use as touch sensors =)
09:58 AM jesseg: Jymmm, how does that work?
09:59 AM Jymmm: jesseg: watch the video on this page... https://mrl.nyu.edu/~jhan/ledtouch/index.html
10:00 AM jesseg: oh ok he's using them as photodiodes it looks like
10:01 AM jesseg: that is really neat though
10:01 AM Jymmm: That is pretty old too... June 4, 2006
10:01 AM Jymmm: ust saw some arduino based ones
10:02 AM Jymmm: Those 8x8 led matrix are kinda slick, but takes some thinking to use them
10:02 AM Jymmm: ab/use
10:03 AM jesseg: yeah
10:03 AM jesseg: you mean it takes some thinking to interface to them, or to find a useful purpose for them? or both? :D
10:04 AM Jymmm: iface and bite me, I like em =)
10:05 AM jesseg: Jymmm, are you familiar with the MAX7219 8x8 LED controller?
10:05 AM Jymmm: and the 7221 too =)
10:06 AM jesseg: ok yeah they use those with those 8x8 LED arrays makes interfacing them a sinch
10:07 AM jesseg: Jymmm, Did you see the video of my 8 digit numeric LED readout that uses a MAX7219 ?
10:07 AM Jymmm: jesseg: They BEST part of all... is because they have a scanning routine for the display, it draws very little current
10:07 AM Jymmm: jesseg: nope, link?
10:08 AM jesseg: Jymmm, well, average amps is average amps.. And for a given number of lumens, it takes so many watts, right?
10:08 AM jesseg: Jymmm, http://videoflier.com/movies/1518249346429697019456
10:10 AM jesseg: If they are driving them at 1/8th duty, they need 8x the current to get a given brightness, right?
10:10 AM Jymmm: jesseg: Oh, you used the 7seg aspect of them. Never touched that.
10:11 AM jesseg: Jymmm, yeah I just bought the module right off ebay :P
10:11 AM jesseg: but it's still an 8x8 LED array :D
10:11 AM jesseg: I'm not using their decoder, just sending a byte for each 7 segments and a decimal point
10:12 AM Jymmm: jesseg: the 7219 "SCANS" the 64 leds. If you had a VERY fast vidcam, you would see that not all of the leds are on at once. they utilize the hum eye's perception to ake it appear that they are.
10:12 AM Jymmm: human*
10:12 AM jesseg: yeah I'm familiar with scanning displays and POV
10:12 AM jesseg: and in fact I was shaking the thing to see the strobing leds
10:13 AM jesseg: and I can hear it make different faint sounds as it gets different patterns
10:13 AM jesseg: Jymmm, however, for a given average light output, doesn't running it on 1/8th duty reduce the light output to about 1/8th as well?
10:14 AM jesseg: thus requiring the current to be boosted to 8 times in order to maintain the desired average pixel intensity?
10:14 AM Jymmm: jesseg: I found another chip that can handle 128 LEDs AND has 16 inputs too =)
10:14 AM jesseg: wow that's cool!
10:14 AM Jymmm: and can be chains and each is addressable
10:14 AM Jymmm: chained*
10:15 AM jesseg: super cool
10:15 AM Jymmm: LEDs ARE current driven, notvoltage driven
10:16 AM jesseg: that thing must be quite a few pins though, a QFP?
10:16 AM jesseg: yeah
10:16 AM jesseg: <-- former electronics design engineer
10:16 AM Jymmm: Nope, pretty simple in fact, all matrix scanning essencially
10:17 AM jesseg: well, unless it's charlie plexing, it needs probably over 40 pins
10:18 AM jesseg: I rarely see non QFP (or finer) IC's with over 40 pins. Even getting a 40 pin micro these days is sketchy (for dip)
10:19 AM FinboySlick: It's see if it was Jymmm flexing instead of charlie flexing, the LEDs would be turned on instantly.
10:21 AM Jymmm: jesseg: 28 pin
10:21 AM jesseg: Jymmm, I gotta see that!!
10:23 AM pcw_home: Muxed LEDs appear brighter than non-muxed at the same average current ( the Eye peak detects a bit )
10:23 AM jesseg: pcw_home, I'd heard some about that, but I know it's not total peak detection, the eye does average power to a significant degree, or PWM wouldn't be used across industry for "dimming" leds
10:24 AM gregcnc_: yeah and i hate them on car taillights
10:24 AM jesseg: pcw_home, do you know how strong the effect is?
10:24 AM jesseg: yeah they strobe those tail lights way too slow...
10:24 AM pcw_home: Sure its somewhere in between
10:24 AM jesseg: probably a percent or two
10:24 AM pcw_home: Much more than that
10:25 AM pcw_home: I would say 50% non linearity or so
10:25 AM pcw_home: especially at slow rates
10:26 AM jesseg: How slow? like annoying slow?
10:26 AM pcw_home: no
10:26 AM jesseg: cool
10:26 AM pcw_home: pretty easy to try
10:32 AM Jymmm: jesseg: NO WAY MAN... ancient chinese secret ;)
10:33 AM jesseg: no way to which there, Jymmm ?
10:33 AM Jymmm: jesseg: oh, and it has i2C so you can chain up to 1024 leds =)
10:33 AM jesseg: I'm still trying to figure out how they drive 128 LEDs with only 19 pins
10:33 AM jesseg: and I don't see 16 inputs, which would be why my pin count guess of >40 was off
10:34 AM jesseg: they must be charlie plexing
10:34 AM jesseg: and I mean why not, it saves pin count
10:36 AM Jymmm: jesseg: 28 pin SOP =)
10:37 AM Jymmm: jesseg: https://www.adafruit.com/product/1427 and $1.18 shipped... https://www.aliexpress.com/item/CJMCU-HT16K33-LED-Dot-Matrix-Drive-Control-Module-Digital-Tube-Driver/32685130648.html
10:38 AM jesseg: oh OK I was looking at a MAX part that did 128 LEDs, and they seem to be using only 19 pins for drivers. But this adafruit unit uses 24 like I would have guessed
10:39 AM jesseg: You must have said meant 16 anode outputs when you said 16 inputs :D
10:39 AM jesseg: but that is a real nice chip
10:45 AM Jymmm: jesseg: sure in the hell beats doing this and programming in assembly... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i7eQDY9ZhE
10:47 AM HSD_ is now known as HSD
10:54 AM gloops: trust the cordless to die on the last limit screw of the last limit switch
10:54 AM gloops: nevertheless the death star will soon be fully operational
10:56 AM Jymmm: and then be destroyed =)
10:56 AM SpeedEvil: Remember to put a grille over the thermal exhaust port.
10:57 AM gloops: alls i can say is there better not be any small planets like Alderaan in view this weekend
11:04 AM gloops: Airbus’ engine problems have left it with a €2 billion financial hit, a source said. The A320neo airliner has US engines made by Pratt & Whitney. << should have gone with rolls royce of course
11:05 AM SpeedEvil: Jaguar.
11:05 AM gloops: jaguar dont make those engines - + german anyway
11:08 AM SpeedEvil: They should just switch to Raptors. :)
11:10 AM gloops: Rolls didnt make cars to start with, he made nick nacks, it was only when he had the money to buy his first car (a french one) and found it so bad that he was convinced he could make a better one
11:10 AM gloops: and the rest is history
11:32 AM * jesseg returns
11:32 AM jesseg: Jymmm, Ahh it dawned on me, the 16 inputs was the 16 key scanning input :D
11:34 AM jesseg: hahaha yeah know I've mildly wanted to make an LED cube like that for years..
11:36 AM jesseg: wouldn't it be awful if someone sat on your LED cube accidentally though
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: HI
12:39 PM jesseg: howdy IchGucksLive
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: ;-)
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: howdy fragalot
12:42 PM fragalot: heyo IchGucksLive
01:05 PM gloops: close now, all axis + spindle working, need a cutting surface, a rewire and re-do some makeshift bits i put on to allow me to continue with the building
01:08 PM IchGucksLive: gloops: test
01:09 PM gloops: well few things to do on it still Ichs but i will test it
01:10 PM gloops: i doubt there will be much error in the movement its all ballscrews
01:11 PM gloops: providing the belts are reliable
01:21 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
01:40 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3d-printer-router-project-stepper-motor-arduino/162897773249?
01:40 PM gloops: someone actually bid
01:42 PM Tom_L: there _might_ be enough metal in it to be worth that
01:42 PM Tom_L: but it's doubtful even at that
01:45 PM Wolf__: good drawer sliders are worth a couple bucks
01:49 PM emc is now known as CNCZombie
01:55 PM fragalot: gloops: drawer slices are expensive, and it looks like it has a half-decent leadscrew on it, plus the arduino & steppers are definitely worth £0.99
01:57 PM Wolf__: full extension ball bearing 24 inch drawer slides cost me $5.50/pair
01:57 PM gloops: + £10 postage
01:58 PM gloops: i suppose if there are 2 screws and nuts youll about break even
02:06 PM fragalot: Wolf__: last ones I bought were €36 each
02:06 PM Wolf__: sounds like box store pricing
02:06 PM Wolf__: I have a wurth wood group account
02:07 PM fragalot: was an online shop, but yea, not wholesale price :-)
02:07 PM Wolf__: also thats price each for a case of sliders
02:08 PM Wolf__: which is ok if you need to make 10 drawers lol
02:09 PM gloops: ive been thinking about making some bearings along the same lines, the old rollon bearings i picked up are interesting design
02:09 PM fragalot: why would you "make" bearings
02:10 PM gloops: cheaper?
02:10 PM gloops: rollon type are like £100 a foot
02:11 PM gloops: internal bearing run, 3 bearings roll in contact with 1 side, 3 on the other
02:12 PM gloops: however the bearings themselves need a profile to keep them in the channel
02:14 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rollon-4-Roller-Bearing-Linear-Rail-Slider-CSW63-235-2ZR-Rail-w-Wiper-Set/282846464975?
02:15 PM fragalot: so you would BUY bearings, press on a sleeve, and bolt them to a plate
02:15 PM gloops: i suppose thats one way yes
02:16 PM gloops: i did not mean make the actual bearing cases
02:17 PM fragalot: i misunderstood then, when you said "meake bearings" :-)
02:18 PM gloops: i dont have the means to drill holes in perfect alignment, but if the studs were set in slots they could be aligned
02:19 PM gloops: would be ok for wood stuff
02:19 PM fragalot: you could make that block out of brass & machine it on your cnc
02:20 PM fragalot: or aluminium
02:20 PM gloops: hmm never thought of that
02:20 PM gloops: aluminium certainly
02:21 PM gloops: how about the rail though?
02:22 PM fragalot: i'd imagine it would ride alright in standard extruded T-slot profiles
02:22 PM fragalot: depends on what load you're aiming for
02:23 PM gloops: you could true up the sides of a channel with an endmill then make radiused grooves with a ball nose cutter - stretching the imagination a bit..
02:23 PM gloops: for radius profile bearings
02:23 PM fragalot: mighty thick walled channel :P
02:24 PM gloops: yes the rail is the sticking point
02:25 PM gloops: which is why 1 rail costs more than most diy machines
02:32 PM XXCoder: wow. top attorney of ICE was stealing identities of people that was forced to deport after living here all life
02:32 PM XXCoder: in order to do money fraud
02:32 PM XXCoder: more like planning to but got caught fast
02:36 PM gloops: dont know how they sleep
02:40 PM gloops: money is the problem in this terrible world, if everyone lived like the amish we'd be ok
02:40 PM XXCoder: money isnt problem
02:40 PM XXCoder: its LOVE of money thats problem
02:40 PM gloops: basically materialism
02:41 PM methods_: https://wsvn.com/news/local/bso-active-shooter-at-marjory-stoneman-douglas-high-school-at-least-20-injured
02:43 PM XXCoder: another round of useless thoughts and prayers
02:44 PM XXCoder: im sure some people will call for MORE and EASIER access to guns
02:44 PM fragalot: of course, because if all the kids have guns too, they can defend themselves from themselves
02:44 PM methods_: it's the tide pods they're all eating
02:44 PM methods_: we need to ban tide pods
02:45 PM fragalot: the only real answer though, sadly, are automated turrets.
02:45 PM methods_: ed2000
02:45 PM fragalot: but not assault turrets
02:46 PM XXCoder: we need thoughts and prayers assult guns. we have so much of thoughts and prayers
02:46 PM methods_: oops i mean ED209
02:49 PM gloops: this is one of those things where rational arguments dont seem to stand up
02:49 PM fragalot: XXCoder: assault prayers?
02:49 PM gloops: there is a word case for gun ownership, in reality something about it is obviously going badly wrong
02:50 PM fragalot: there is nothing wrong with responsible gun ownership
02:50 PM XXCoder: fragalot: why not? it does exactly nothing
02:50 PM fragalot: there is nothing wrong with the right to own a gun.
02:50 PM XXCoder: agreed. should have similiar regulations as car
02:50 PM XXCoder: license and insurance
02:50 PM fragalot: yup
02:50 PM gloops: if that right could be applied without mass shootings happening every 5 minutes
02:51 PM fragalot: doesn't need to be anything fancy
02:51 PM fragalot: but it has to be more than a receipt from walmart
02:51 PM gloops: but in america, it cant be
02:51 PM XXCoder: one 14 year kid bought a rifle in usa
02:51 PM gregcnc_: did you see remington is filing chapter 11?
02:51 PM XXCoder: just to see if it was possible. it was.
02:51 PM fragalot: gregcnc_: what's chapter11?
02:51 PM gregcnc_: bankruptcy
02:52 PM XXCoder: bankburancy
02:52 PM fragalot: ouch
02:52 PM XXCoder: bah im slower and worse speller
02:52 PM fragalot: it's OK XXCoder, we like you anyway
02:52 PM XXCoder: that same kid went to various banks to try to get loans
02:52 PM XXCoder: all failed
02:53 PM gloops: well they can call us pussies here, but i seriously would not like guns to become commonplace here
02:53 PM gloops: UK is full of angry nutcases
02:54 PM XXCoder: im sure its not
02:54 PM fragalot: I like belgium. happy medium.
02:54 PM XXCoder: but then 1% can be loud as hell
02:54 PM fragalot: the UK is too strict on certain things
02:54 PM gloops: XXCoder i think im right in saying UK is more violent than USA
02:54 PM fragalot: want a new scope for your airgun? better go pick it up at a licensed dealership because they can't ship it in the mail
02:55 PM XXCoder: considering usa may well enter civil war in 2020 I think not
02:55 PM gloops: airguns should be strictly vetted, most of them are only used to shoot songbirds and peoples cats
02:55 PM MarcelineVQ: XXCoder: if it does it'll be against government bureaus
02:56 PM XXCoder: will it be? I got no idea
02:57 PM gloops: According to the figures released yesterday, 3.6 per cent of the population of England and Wales were victims of violent crime in 1999 - second only to Australia, where the figure was 4.1 per cent.
02:57 PM gloops: Scotland had a slightly lower rate of violence, at 3.4 per cent
02:58 PM gloops: In the U.S., only 2 per cent of the population suffered an assault or robbery.
02:58 PM MarcelineVQ: does human trafficing count as a violent crime?
02:58 PM gloops: probably not
02:58 PM fragalot: gloops: reported assault or robbery.
02:58 PM fragalot: the USA is a big place.
02:59 PM fragalot: whilst in the UK, you report being assaulted if someone doesn't hold the door open
02:59 PM gloops: One in 40 people in England and Wales had their cars stolen in 1999, the highest rate in the 17 developed countries examined.
02:59 PM gloops: Just one in 200 Americans suffered a car theft while in Japan there was only one per 1,000 of the population.
02:59 PM gloops: Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-25671/Violent-crime-worse-Britain-US.html#ixzz577Oz5A00
02:59 PM gloops: Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
02:59 PM fragalot: or gives you a cup of tetley's
02:59 PM fragalot: gloops: ... the daily mail is your source?
02:59 PM fragalot: of all possible sources?
02:59 PM methods_: hehe
02:59 PM gloops: fragalot nah, a LOT of unreported crime here, its often kept within the community - who despise the authorities
03:00 PM gloops: these are true actaul facts
03:00 PM gloops: read the study not the mail - who only reported it
03:01 PM fragalot: gloops: have you got a source on the actual study
03:03 PM gloops: https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/Crime-statistics/International_Statistics_on_Crime_and_Justice.pdf
03:07 PM fragalot: that does not coincide with the daily mail's article; plus these figures are 8 years old
03:09 PM gloops: well my point was made on the basis of first hand observation not these stats, guns would not be a great idea in the UK as it is atm
03:09 PM methods_: https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2018/02/14/fcc-chairman-oks-spacex-bid-deliver-satellite-broadband-internet-service/337283002/
03:09 PM fragalot: gloops: the UK has bigger issues, acid & knives work just as well.
03:09 PM fragalot: but yes - not everyone should be able to own a gun.
03:10 PM jdh: I should be able to.
03:10 PM fragalot: my main point though, is that the daily mail is trash
03:10 PM gloops: most newspapers are
03:10 PM XXCoder: methods_: nice!
03:11 PM fragalot: jdh: sure, just prove you know how to handle it and have no ill intent at the time of purchase.
03:11 PM fragalot: gloops: yeah, but the daily mail is a special kind of trash :P
03:11 PM jdh: 1st part is easy
03:13 PM gloops: fragalot i know youre strongly liberal in sentiment so the mail must seem especially unappealing to you
03:14 PM XXCoder: I dont dermine news on how liberal/conservite it is
03:14 PM fragalot: gloops: my issue with them is how time and time again they post misleading articles that willfully deceive and lie to it's readers.
03:15 PM fragalot: I don't care what they write, as long as it's accurate
03:15 PM XXCoder: but how true/false news on it is.
03:15 PM XXCoder: I used to watch fox news
03:16 PM gloops: my conclusions on gun ownership though are not political, i know full well i have neighbours who would eventually shoot someone, and i would feel compelled to take strong measures to defend myself from them
03:16 PM XXCoder: that channel got awful years ago, and I caught some tricks they did so I stopped
03:16 PM XXCoder: not too sure how long ago, but over 10 years ago
03:17 PM XXCoder: I remember they lied with graph, left bar was "today" and lower than right bar that was few days prior and they said cost was increasing!
03:17 PM XXCoder: total bullshit
03:17 PM XXCoder: and it was before fox went super duper insane it is now
03:18 PM fragalot: as unappealing as it sounds.. "fake news" is a huge problem.
03:18 PM fragalot: it's always existed
03:18 PM fragalot: it's always been used
03:18 PM fragalot: but now it's becoming increasinly more difficult to filter
03:18 PM XXCoder: yep, just not to extent it is at nopw
03:20 PM gloops: in orwells dystopia 'the news' was called the ten minutes hate
03:20 PM XXCoder: Ministry of Truth
03:20 PM XXCoder: 2 + 2 = 3
03:20 PM fragalot: XXCoder: at the same time though, today it is much easier to find out if it's true or not than it was 20 years ago
03:20 PM fragalot: that said, 20 years ago, we had a lot more time to figure things out than now too :P
03:20 PM XXCoder: up to a point but yes
03:21 PM fragalot: another issue is the search bubble
03:21 PM gloops: and i dont suppose it matters whether the outlet is the state or corporate, its all biased
03:21 PM fragalot: if google wanted you to believe something
03:21 PM fragalot: it would be incredibly easy for them to manipulate the results
03:21 PM XXCoder: just use other search. I use duckduckgo when I don't want bubble results
03:21 PM XXCoder: did you see pink talking about exactly that?
03:21 PM fragalot: I use DDG exclusively at the moment
03:21 PM XXCoder: her search for lathe tooling was all shoes!
03:22 PM fragalot: haha yeah that was brilliant
03:22 PM XXCoder: I tried same and it was almost all machinist stuff
03:23 PM fragalot: gloops: biased is fine
03:23 PM fragalot: gloops: straight out lies and fabrications are not.
03:23 PM XXCoder: everyone and everythinbg is biased
03:23 PM XXCoder: but yeah out and out lies is unacceptable
03:23 PM Tom_L: icicles are a near perfect weapon
03:24 PM fragalot: there was a TV show made by a group of randomers a while ago in belgium that highlighted how easy it was to make shit up and get it in the mainstream news about 6 or 7 years ago
03:24 PM fragalot: absolutely hilarious
03:24 PM XXCoder: shooter in fla caught
03:25 PM fragalot: they also hilighted a lot of "plot holes" in certain laws, or the way certain companies operated
03:26 PM fragalot: for example, they trucked in 30yr old hungarian bubble wrap to give to the EU parliament during a summit about clean air
03:26 PM fragalot: or made a 1m² party to avoid having to pay license fees
03:29 PM fragalot: XXCoder: https://i.imgur.com/p1JZbQG.jpg <- relevant.
03:29 PM gloops: Tom_L that would eliminate one major part of the prosection case - murder weapon
03:29 PM XXCoder: reminds me of classic locked room murder
03:29 PM gloops: although these days weapon isnt so important, it comes under 'ability' to commit the crime
03:30 PM gloops: motive, opportunity and means
03:30 PM fragalot: yeah, ice is hard to come by
03:31 PM enleth: any hints on pouring a small amount of oil out of a full 20l/5gal jug? tipping it just a little makes the oil flow down the side of the jug, tipping it more is obviously going to make a shitload of oil come out uncontrollably because the thing is full
03:31 PM enleth: the jug did not come with a screw-on spout
03:31 PM XXCoder: buy one
03:31 PM fragalot: enleth: what if you rotate the jug so the spout is on top
03:31 PM XXCoder: I got idea though
03:31 PM XXCoder: get a jar, pour some into that
03:32 PM XXCoder: its easy to pour larger amount, and now you have smaller jar to pour smaller amount
03:32 PM gloops: Police 'hunting for bombs' as 'at least one dead and up to 50 injured' in Florida
03:33 PM XXCoder: or just keep jar and pour smaller amount out of large jar since its now lowered enough to make pouring smaller amounts easier
03:33 PM gloops: enleth pour some into a wide funnel into a smaller container
03:33 PM enleth: fragalot: it's filled almost right up the - well, what's actually the proper name of the part of the jug where the cap screws on?
03:34 PM fragalot: enleth: in that case, follow XXCoder's advice
03:34 PM enleth: I guess I have to get some medium sized containers
03:34 PM fragalot: or grab a tube & siphon
03:34 PM enleth: fragalot: right!
03:34 PM enleth: that's it
03:34 PM enleth: haven't though of it
03:34 PM XXCoder: behold, power of gravity and pressure
03:35 PM fragalot: differential pressure
03:35 PM enleth: the oil is quite thick but it should do
03:35 PM fragalot: bigger tube :P
03:35 PM enleth: I've got some oil-grade silicone tubing
03:36 PM enleth: BTW, the fact that this oil is so thick saved me from a pretty huge oil spill yesterday
03:37 PM enleth: I'm not sure how, but I bumped the damn jug off the table, it landed on the side
03:37 PM enleth: but only a little spilled out, it just wasn't able to pour out faster
03:37 PM fragalot: sounds more like grease than oil, lol
03:38 PM enleth: well, no, it's an ISO 68 gearbox oil
03:38 PM XXCoder: just use spade ;)
03:38 PM enleth: it does flow
03:38 PM XXCoder: so does tar
03:38 PM enleth: it's just quite thick
03:38 PM fragalot: enleth: so.. is it cold?
03:38 PM enleth: fragalot: a bit, yes. that might have helped
03:38 PM fragalot: it will have
03:38 PM XXCoder: this proved pitch is liquid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_drop_experiment
03:38 PM XXCoder: it took a long time to do so.
03:38 PM fragalot: viscosity curves on most oils have quite a violent temperature curve :)
03:39 PM enleth: it also helped that I keep a bucket of sand handy
03:39 PM gloops: glass is a liquid
03:39 PM fragalot: gloops: actually glass is nto a liquid
03:39 PM XXCoder: gloops: that was disproven
03:39 PM gloops: its got viscosity
03:40 PM XXCoder: when it is actually liqud yes
03:40 PM gloops: when its in windows
03:40 PM XXCoder: nah its solid then
03:40 PM gloops: look at a 100 year old window
03:40 PM fragalot: gloops: no, that was disproven.
03:40 PM fragalot: the reason they have that shape is due to the manufacturing methods used then
03:40 PM gloops: ive seen it with my own eyes
03:40 PM XXCoder: gloops: you do know that old days windows were rolled and flattened?
03:40 PM enleth: I still have to vacuum the damn thing up but it's under a table and not a slip hazard, so I left it to sit there for now
03:40 PM roycroft: correct, glass does not "run" over time
03:40 PM XXCoder: thats why one end is thinner than another
03:40 PM fragalot: XXCoder: actually very old windows used to be spun
03:40 PM roycroft: that's an old wive's tale
03:41 PM gloops: in fact i have several pieces of coloured 100 year old glass
03:41 PM roycroft: it's uneven in thickness and texture because of poor manufacturing processes
03:41 PM XXCoder: yeah
03:41 PM roycroft: float glass is a fairly modern thing
03:41 PM gloops: it sags in situ!
03:41 PM XXCoder: no.
03:41 PM fragalot: gloops: it really doesn't.
03:41 PM roycroft: except it does not
03:42 PM roycroft: and if you don't believe us
03:42 PM XXCoder: if it does, why does vises statues made from glass does not?
03:42 PM roycroft: take some old window panes that are thicker at the bottom than the top
03:42 PM gloops: lol, i am here to tell you ive seen it myself
03:42 PM roycroft: install them upside down
03:42 PM XXCoder: you watched it 100 years?
03:42 PM roycroft: wait 100 years
03:42 PM roycroft: report back to us
03:42 PM fragalot: gloops: and we are ALL here to tell you that it was due to the manufacturing process, not because it's liquid
03:42 PM fragalot: it has ALWAYS been thicker at the bottom.
03:43 PM roycroft: i'm telling him to conduct an experiment and report back
03:43 PM XXCoder: yeah because its easier to installs windows like that that way
03:43 PM roycroft: and to stfu about it until the experiment has completed :)
03:43 PM XXCoder: you want tronger bottom more brittle top
03:44 PM gloops: im not saying its thicker here or there, you can see the distortion - always sagging to the ground
03:44 PM XXCoder: whatever gloops
03:44 PM XXCoder: why does it NOT flow outwards inton framing?
03:44 PM XXCoder: why is framing already fitted to it?
03:44 PM roycroft: and we're all saying that yes, you have likely observed that it's almost always installed with the thicker part towards the bottom
03:44 PM roycroft: nobody is disputing that
03:44 PM enleth: gloops: no one is denying what you say you see, only the reason.
03:45 PM roycroft: but correlation is not causation
03:45 PM XXCoder: dont forget that framing was there just as long in most cases.
03:45 PM fragalot: roycroft: so,.. cheese is round, right?
03:45 PM roycroft: can be
03:45 PM XXCoder: so glass should have flowed outwards into on top of framing.
03:45 PM fragalot: roycroft: and wheels are round too
03:45 PM fragalot: roycroft: so.. wheels are made of cheese?
03:45 PM roycroft: not canadian wheels
03:45 PM roycroft: they are square
03:45 PM XXCoder: not magically expanding framing to fit glass inside.
03:45 PM fragalot: ah but they make square chese too
03:46 PM roycroft: yes, canadians like to eat processed cheese food
03:46 PM XXCoder: canandian roads https://mathtourist.blogspot.com/2011/05/riding-on-square-wheels.html
03:46 PM roycroft: which comes in rectangular form
03:46 PM fragalot: roycroft: hell you even buy milk in bags
03:46 PM roycroft: follow the only road
03:47 PM fragalot: XXCoder: excellent grip though
03:47 PM XXCoder: so execellent that basically can't turn heh
03:49 PM roycroft: there is no need to turn if there is only one road
03:49 PM roycroft: just follow it
03:49 PM roycroft: we're off to see the prime minister of canada!
03:49 PM roycroft: watch out for scott though - he's a dick
04:08 PM Deejay: gn8
04:16 PM enleth: another oil question - what do you use to clean oilers, hoses, jugs, etc. to use them with a different oil when you don't want any residue of the old one?
04:16 PM Tom_L: don't mix
04:17 PM Tom_L: you won't get all the residue out of anything plastic i doubt
04:25 PM MrHindsight: http://simplegreen.com/ cleans up oil residue
04:26 PM Tom_L: alot of plastic containers are marked 'do not reuse'
04:27 PM MrHindsight: depends, are you mixing baby formula or lubricants for a gear
04:28 PM MrHindsight: people in the 3rd world might use them to carry drinking water
04:29 PM Tom_L: i get soap barrels sometimes to use for various things
04:29 PM Tom_L: ie laundry mat or carwash etc
04:30 PM MrHindsight: they disappear quickly from places like that around here...
04:31 PM MrHindsight: someone must be repurposing or reselling them
04:31 PM MrHindsight: I have lots of 55gal drums
04:33 PM roycroft: they turn into furnaces for hobos
04:34 PM roycroft: the 55 gallon drums, that is
04:35 PM Tom_L: i got mine direct from the supplier not the end user
04:35 PM Tom_L: i don't think he's there anymore
04:51 PM DocHopper: Hey Linux CNC, strange question, but I know you like 'em that way. I'm making some plastic pipe based pneumatic actuators with 3d printed parts. How should I go about sizing my O rings? The tubing on mcmaster lists a +- tolerance of 0.02".
04:52 PM Tom_L: http://www.theoringstore.com/index.php?main_page=page_2
04:52 PM phiplii: Tom_L, does that tell you about the size of o-rings
04:53 PM phiplii: or the size compared to the mechanical part they fit on?
04:53 PM phiplii: I think he wants the latter
04:53 PM phiplii: I have guidelines in a book, but I keep it at work
04:53 PM phiplii: (because it is more useful there!)
04:53 PM DocHopper: phiplii: You've got it! But the equations I've found are for might higher accuracy applications.
04:54 PM DocHopper: This is the best info I've found yet. http://www.applerubber.com/src/pdf/section3-o-ring-basics.pdf
04:54 PM phiplii: there are standards (again, at work)
04:54 PM phiplii: not read it, but this any use?
04:54 PM phiplii: https://www.jameswalker.biz/nl/pdf_docs/3-o-ring-guide-issue-7
04:55 PM DocHopper: phiplii: I'll check it out.
04:55 PM phiplii: pages 27-31?
04:56 PM Tom_L: phipli, i wasn't actually supplying useful information... just coaxing you to reply :D
04:57 PM Tom_L: is it in the machinist handbook?
04:57 PM Tom_L: probably..
04:57 PM DocHopper: Tom_L: I've not gotten a copy yet... Art of Electronics is what I'm saving up for now, but machinists is after that.
04:58 PM Tom_L: electronics is just wizardry you need the machinist handbook instead
04:58 PM phiplii: Tom_L : well coaxed - shame I'm not better at keeping my reference books to hand :p
04:58 PM Tom_L: heh
04:59 PM DocHopper: phiplii: This is great info, thanks. What search terms did you use to find it?
05:00 PM phiplii: "british standard o ring groove sizes"
05:00 PM phiplii: was looking for my book, but didn't find it
05:01 PM phiplii: Tom_L : electronics is invisible beans in small bars. I don't believe in it.
05:01 PM phiplii: Although I do believe that chips contain magic smoke
05:01 PM Tom_L: it's your job to find it too
05:02 PM Tom_L: off to run an errand then back to this cad cam
05:14 PM enleth: DocHopper: if you're copying a steel piston design, you could design the oring groove in such a way that its width is adjustable, so that for a narrower tube you can widen the groove and let the oring deform a bit more
05:14 PM enleth: so that it would fit
05:17 PM DocHopper: enleth: You're just suggesting use the piston as the variable to create an appropriate fit? Or actually make the piston adjustable post printing?
05:18 PM enleth: either would work, but with a 3D printer you can actually make a parametrized design and print a piston with a groove that matches the tube you get
05:18 PM enleth: wider groove means the oring has somewhere to go when it deforms to fit in the tube
05:19 PM DocHopper: enleth: Yup, that's my plan. But I do need to ballpark my piston size so I know what will fit in my tubing range based on width.
05:19 PM enleth: a narrower groove will force the oring to compress less
05:20 PM nallar is now known as Ross
05:26 PM enleth: DocHopper: https://youtu.be/1EWeQJ_uDMI?t=19m26s I think this video had some info on seal and wiper sizing
05:46 PM DocHopper: enleth: Not much useful info for me there, but I watched the remainder of the video, I appreciate the way he describes everything he's doing. A good teacher.
05:47 PM phiplii: DocHopper, do you need more info? There is something about sliding seals in the book I mentioned, I can look tomorrow if you like?
05:47 PM enleth: DocHopper: one of the best machining youtubers, IMO
05:48 PM enleth: DocHopper: especially when it comes to turning big stuff, repairing hydraulic cylinders and general job shop work
05:48 PM DocHopper: enleth: I subscribed to him, it'll be interesting to dive into more of his stuff.
05:49 PM enleth: I watched almost all of his videos, not a minute of my time wasted
05:49 PM DocHopper: phiplii: I appreciate that, but I think this is a situation where with one of my dimensions being fully variable, I'm should really just take an educated guess and go from there,
05:49 PM enleth: (just skipped misc stuff like his barbecue tips videos before he started a second channel for those)
05:50 PM DocHopper: My tolerances for the plastic tube and my printed parts is so terrible, I just have to see where they lead me, you know?
05:50 PM JT-Shop: hey phip
05:50 PM JT-Shop: hey phipli
05:51 PM phiplii: evening JT-Shop
05:52 PM JT-Shop: how goes it over there?
05:52 PM phiplii: not too bad
05:53 PM phiplii: yourself?
05:53 PM phiplii: Henry behaving?
05:53 PM JT-Shop: I finally got the discharge end done on the cleaner... now to build a rice hull hopper
05:53 PM MrHindsight: http://www.glassnotes.com/WindowPanes.html why urban legends picked glass
05:53 PM JT-Shop: Henry is learning but is a bachelor for a while so we can concentrate one on one
05:53 PM phiplii: I've been finishing up a prop for a friend
05:54 PM JT-Shop: prop as propeller?
05:54 PM phiplii: cut the front panel over the weekend
05:54 PM phiplii: as in fake thing that isn't a real thing for show
05:54 PM JT-Shop: ah
05:54 PM Tom_L: just keep reminding Henry he could be supper
05:56 PM MrHindsight: methods_: you still about?
05:56 PM JT-Shop: I think he will be supper one day... just trying to learn as much as I can about 1/2 a walnut size brains in a rooster
05:58 PM phiplii: figure his brain is smaller than the ladies' brains?
05:59 PM phiplii: :)
05:59 PM Tom_L: he's sizing you up too
05:59 PM JT-Shop: phiplii: I need to make a mount for this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06Y2G8PL3 to this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076MPL9P1
06:00 PM JT-Shop: phiplii: right now his brain is being controlled by other things lol
06:00 PM Tom_L: typical teenager
06:00 PM JT-Shop: he has my size figured out now lol
06:00 PM phiplii: hum
06:00 PM phiplii: it seems to be tomorrow
06:01 PM phiplii: I should probably vanish
06:01 PM JT-Shop: aye
06:01 PM phiplii: night folks
06:01 PM JT-Shop: good night
06:01 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, will the camera fit inside the hole of the led board?
06:02 PM JT-Shop: yes
06:02 PM Tom_L: make a flat plate with standoffs on both sides
06:02 PM Tom_L: one to fit the leds and the other to fit the camera
06:02 PM Tom_L: with a center hole
06:03 PM Tom_L: you may need a tube over the camera lens
06:03 PM Tom_L: to block ambient light
06:03 PM JT-Shop: this will be inside the roll out nest box so kinda dark
06:18 PM JT-Shop: damn a high of 70°F tomorrow
06:18 PM Tom_L: don't get used to it
06:18 PM Tom_L: it was nice here today too
06:18 PM JT-Shop: nasty wet day here
06:18 PM JT-Shop: couldn't paint anything
06:20 PM * JT-Shop wanders inside to put the wings in the oven
06:20 PM JT-Shop: see you in the am
06:21 PM Tom_L: gnite
06:27 PM jdh: wings in the oven.... did they quit laying?