#linuxcnc Logs

Feb 13 2018

01:39 AM IchGucksLive: good morning from Germany
01:42 AM IchGucksLive: its dam Frosen outside -7DEg C
01:42 AM IchGucksLive: till later SMILE no Bitbreak
01:48 AM Deejay: moin
01:48 AM jesseg: Morning
01:48 AM jesseg: or Evenin' in my case here :P
02:10 AM Longbow: Hello and good morning!
02:10 AM Longbow: anyone uses nativeCAM?
02:11 AM gloops: Ichsguckslive does, hes not here atm
02:12 AM Longbow: ok
02:17 AM Longbow: when he arrives: I wonder why during a circle(pocket) the machine movement pauses several times instead of milling continuously.
02:18 AM gloops: well, a circle is cut in 4 arcs
02:18 AM Longbow: It seems as if it does only 1/4 of the circle at a time, with no lookahead?
02:19 AM gloops: have you got any backlash compensation set up?
02:19 AM Longbow: nope
02:19 AM Longbow: I tried on two different cnc machines and it pauses the same
02:19 AM gloops: how long is the pause?
02:19 AM Longbow: like 1second
02:20 AM Longbow: it seems that durign this pause, it goes to calculate where to go next, with the variables in the code, it will not do it in advance.
02:20 AM gloops: maybe normal, all circles are cut in 4 arcs, if you had backlash compensation i thought it might be correcting at the end of each arc
02:21 AM Wolf__: that should show in your gcode if its the cam post causing it
02:22 AM Longbow: If I load a custom made CAM program with a circle pocket, it works continuously but it has G02, G03 codes and like 20'000 lines. But the program that nativecam generates has very minimum lines of code and lots of variables?
02:25 AM gloops: it is set for linuxcnc arcs?
02:28 AM gloops: EMC2 arcs (mm)
02:31 AM gloops: when you save the code, save it for EMC2 arcs
02:49 AM gloops: g61
04:03 AM Longbow: still, regardless of G61 and G64 it pauses during circles. I tried setting in nativeCAM instead of circle to do a pocket and in mills without pause mostly! - on the innermost circle it pauses still
04:24 AM jthornton: morning
04:44 AM XXCoder: hey jthornton
04:46 AM jthornton: a little warmer here today 29°F
04:46 AM XXCoder: its freezing here, but probably last freezing last for the year
04:46 AM XXCoder: (ignoring next winter)
04:48 AM jthornton: we have some warm air coming that is bringing rain
04:50 AM XXCoder: fun
04:51 AM XXCoder: 3 seasons here, rain, kinda cold rain, and way too hot weather
04:56 AM Wolf__: we had all that here this week already
04:57 AM Wolf__: get 4 season in Maryland, quite often all in the same week
04:57 AM XXCoder: lol
04:57 AM XXCoder: some days in spring and fall I wonder if I would see any other season again ever
04:58 AM XXCoder: or blue sky and sun
04:58 AM Wolf__: I have spent the day doing snow removal in a t-shirt 75F day...
04:58 AM Wolf__: 70 one day, 21F the next
04:59 AM Wolf__: gets somewhat annoying
04:59 AM XXCoder: man you need giant watermass to keep termal controlled
05:00 AM Wolf__: I’m planning on solar hydronic + heat loops in the shop & garage floors
05:01 AM XXCoder: here its only summers that get pretty bad (but probably cool to you)
05:02 AM Wolf__: probably, heat index is worse here vs the south somehow…
05:03 AM XXCoder: shop can be realy nasty in summers
05:03 AM XXCoder: last 2 summers wasnt too bad but 2015 one woof
05:03 AM XXCoder: so dang hot.
05:53 AM malcom2073: maryland humidity sucks
05:55 AM XXCoder: you use any of dehumifers?
05:56 AM malcom2073: I have one I run in my garage, and one in the basement
05:56 AM XXCoder: nice
05:57 AM malcom2073: Modified it so it has a sump pump inside, and it automatically empties it periodically heh
05:58 AM XXCoder: if exit was lower you could use greedy cup design idea to make it drain itself without using any power
05:59 AM malcom2073: Yeah it's not though
06:02 AM XXCoder: too bad
08:02 AM gloops: knackered but got a couple of hours to work on the great wall of china job in the garage
08:06 AM SpeedEvil: gloops: does it look like it will keep out the barbarians?
08:07 AM gloops: ghengis khan and all his legions would just bounce off this machine
08:08 AM gloops: but was mainly referring to the time its taking to build
08:16 AM gloops: z axis needs nut making and connector sorting - i hope, then just the spindle to sort
09:33 AM gloops: z axis seems to work fine despite my home made bearings, plenty of pull
09:35 AM gloops: everything is unfolding according to my designs
09:57 AM gloops: £1 only for the Atlas https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Atlas-Pillar-drill/302633132707?
09:58 AM gloops: always too far
10:00 AM gloops: serious swedish drill https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/drill-press/253422295787?
10:17 AM gregcnc: Anyone mask anodizing with paint? what do you use?
10:17 AM methods_: ah you're using the paint as masking for your anodizing?
10:17 AM methods_: i've not tried that
10:18 AM Loetmichel: gregcnc: i would imagine that plastidip or similar would work well
10:18 AM Loetmichel: someting that stays a bit "rubbery"
10:18 AM Loetmichel: but can still be pulled off after anodizing
10:19 AM gregcnc: hmm
10:19 AM methods_: microshield
10:20 AM Loetmichel: i have seen it done with wax, so you dont neet THAT much sturdiness for shielding the aluminium part
10:20 AM methods_: http://www.tolber.com/products/miccroshield.htm
10:22 AM gregcnc: was hoping for something I may have, just a few test parts at this point
10:22 AM methods_: ah ok
10:23 AM methods_: guess i should have asked if it was for a production run first
10:24 AM gregcnc: i've been thinking about anodizing for years, but I may finally try
10:24 AM gregcnc: a guy on instagram was having a terrible time send his parts out and started doing it himself with awesome results
10:24 AM gregcnc: small volumes
10:26 AM methods_: yeah MrHindsight might be have some insight
10:26 AM methods_: i think he sells anodizing stuff
10:27 AM gregcnc: was going to check with him for dye, right now i don't need color
10:27 AM methods_: well he might have some insight on maskants too
10:28 AM gregcnc: oh probably
10:28 AM methods_: or at least some possible budget maskants
10:28 AM methods_: diy anodize maskant
10:28 AM methods_: polyester tape
10:55 AM uwe__ is now known as uwe_
11:28 AM gloops: wolf mag drill £30 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wolf-Mag-drill-240-volt/253422279488?
11:33 AM gloops: also had an error message ive not seen before - pin 1 does not exist
11:34 AM gloops: pin 1 is the pwm pin on my bob
11:34 AM gloops: the pin does exist
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: hi
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: cold dark and stars shining bright
12:01 PM gloops: ok have got spindle config to load - spindle buttons on linuxcnc are not live
12:01 PM gloops: does it need to detect the relay?
12:02 PM jthornton: did you take it out of estop and turn the power on?
12:02 PM gloops: ahh
12:02 PM gloops: thanks yeah
12:02 PM gloops: 9 month since i had this spindle running heh
12:03 PM gloops: Ichs was still a boy
12:03 PM IchGucksLive: <- Mine runs fine
12:04 PM gloops: ill get it going, just forget everything - its better to forget and learn again the memory sticks then
12:04 PM gloops: back to garage
12:12 PM gloops: relay firing anyway
12:15 PM MrHindsight: a mask for anodize is anything not water soluble that may be removed later
12:15 PM MrHindsight: oil based paint for example
12:16 PM MrHindsight: the paint doesn't even have to dry
12:18 PM MrHindsight: and they dye used in the water should be water soluble (duh) but not oil/non-polar solvent soluble
12:19 PM MrHindsight: a tape may used as a mask as long as the adhesive isn't water soluble
12:24 PM MrHindsight: sign shops sell a silicon backed tape that just puts down the adhesive, adhesive placed on a silicone release film and then rolled and slit
12:25 PM gloops: 3 eggs today, chickens laying again, the difference between dark at 4 and dark dark at 5.30
12:29 PM fragalot: hi
12:30 PM gloops: evenin
12:32 PM MrHindsight: gregcnc: if you need some solvent based dye for fancy anodizing patterns let me know
12:32 PM fragalot: you could just sneeze on it
12:34 PM miss0r: goodevening :]
12:34 PM gregcnc: mrhindsight, yes I remember some discussion about dye, you're first on my list
12:34 PM fragalot: hi miss0r
12:34 PM miss0r: I see i've gotten here just in time to see the madness unfold
12:35 PM miss0r: Hello fragalot
12:35 PM gregcnc: i was going to try pvc pipe cement for masking. the smear I put on a block came off nicely
12:36 PM miss0r: Yesterday I spoke to my boss about my current situation. I'm completely self employed starting 1/3
12:36 PM fragalot: how did they take it?
12:36 PM Loetmichel: harhar... i like that Doug guy from SVseeker... "Grinder and paint makes you the welder you aint!" :-)
12:36 PM MrHindsight: gregcnc: vaseline will work
12:37 PM gregcnc: ah, that simple. mainly some threads I'm concerned about
12:37 PM miss0r: I saw all 5 stages of loss unwravel before me
12:37 PM MrHindsight: gregcnc: yeah, just that it's stays wet so you just have to be careful handling the parts
12:38 PM MrHindsight: and then wash with solvent after anodize to remove vaseline
12:38 PM miss0r: He ended up accepting, and telling me I can come back any time. And in the meantime he would like to hire my through my own company from time to time
12:39 PM gloops: cant go wrong then miss0r, thats better than taking a blind leap off a cliff
12:39 PM miss0r: I just spoke to a layer today, who is in the work of setting up my buisness for me
12:39 PM gregcnc: vaseline is no wait
12:40 PM miss0r: gloops: I'm more worried I won't have time to accept his offer
12:40 PM gloops: wont have time?
12:40 PM gregcnc: just started your own co. and already booked?
12:40 PM miss0r: Yeah, I have a pretty serious workload in the near future
12:40 PM gloops: oh you mean need to start sooner
12:40 PM fragalot: miss0r: that's a _good_ thing.
12:41 PM gloops: meh just phone in sick for a month, get a doctors note
12:41 PM MrHindsight: gregcnc: the greasy version jelly, I just remembered that vaseline make skin creams and similar
12:41 PM MrHindsight: don't use that
12:41 PM gregcnc: capt hah I know what you mean
12:42 PM gregcnc: good ole petroluem jelly
12:42 PM miss0r: gregcnc: I've run my own buisness on the side for 3 years now. But now that I am going to be doing it full time, I need to start another type of company. Basically the one I run at the moment, I am personally responsible for everything. i.e. If I break something massively expensive, the customer can come take my house. With the new type of company, they can only take what assets I have in the company
12:43 PM gloops: limited liability
12:43 PM gregcnc: sure, same as sole proprietor vs some form of corporation in US
12:43 PM MrHindsight: incorporating
12:43 PM gloops: not a bad thing, but the problem is - you need to keep books
12:43 PM miss0r: But this in turn costs some money. roughly 8k eur
12:43 PM MrHindsight: or never have assets, then they can't take anything :)
12:43 PM gregcnc: 8k?
12:43 PM miss0r: I already need to do that
12:43 PM fragalot: miss0r: costs more here - a "bvba" here costs 12.5K
12:43 PM gloops: nah you can get a ltd for £100
12:44 PM fragalot: there are qiute a few variations
12:44 PM gregcnc: it's like 500USD here
12:44 PM fragalot: gloops: it all depends on where you live, and the type of company you wish to start
12:44 PM miss0r: cheap
12:44 PM fragalot: sorry, a bvba is 18.55K now.. they raised it.
12:45 PM miss0r: I'm going to start an ApS. I could've started an IVS, which only costs 1dkk (1/7 eur), but noone wants to do buisness with an IVS, because theres guarantee for assets in the company
12:45 PM gloops: i wouldnt jump in to starting a ltd company right away, accountants are sly you know, theres a lot more book keeping and auditing involved 1.e you are going to need to pay an accountant
12:45 PM fragalot: an "nv" is 61.5K >.>
12:45 PM miss0r: no guarantee*
12:45 PM MrHindsight: I like the long version Besloten vennootschap met beperkte aansprakelijkheid
12:46 PM fragalot: miss0r: Yea. :-)
12:46 PM miss0r: fragalot: That sounds pretty pricy - how do they even get people to start on their own with thoes prices?
12:46 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: :)
12:46 PM gloops: you should be able to get public liability insurance that covers most things, im insured for 4 million - cost £120 a year
12:46 PM fragalot: miss0r: like you started..
12:46 PM fragalot: there is a very rare "starter-bvba" that only requires 1 euro, but you have to come up with the 18K within 5 years
12:47 PM miss0r: fragalot: Sure. but assuming I was just starting now, I would run to the bank and borrow the money to get some security
12:47 PM fragalot: you need a good business plan to present tot he bank to get a loan to start your company then
12:48 PM fragalot: and either be good at bookkeeping, or find a good accountant
12:48 PM gloops: ltd liability is an absolute guarantee against personal loss though
12:48 PM miss0r: Nah. I could just take a second loan in the house, and use that up front
12:48 PM fragalot: miss0r: haha
12:48 PM fragalot: that's your personal liability though
12:49 PM miss0r: that is true. but that relatively small mount you could work your way back through, when they close the company with a 10mio claim
12:49 PM gloops: ltd liability then mortage the house? lol, more likely to lose the house to the bank than an irate customer
12:50 PM fragalot: What i've learned from the local news here is: NEVER, EVER, sell your company to a USA company, because they will gladly buy it, pay it, and then sue you for twice what they paid.
12:50 PM JT-Shopp is now known as JT-Shop
12:50 PM gloops: greed, thats what they rely on
12:50 PM fragalot: marc coucke, the CEO of omega pharma sold to perrigo, and perrigo is now sueing for 1.9 billion.
12:51 PM miss0r: bleh. Yesterday when I went to finish the linear scale installation, I had to combine two of those armored cables to get the length required. I did the mistake of thinking that the colours were the same through the two cables(both mitutoyo) - they were not. *sigh* So I had to resolder the 12 pin sub-d standing on the top of a ladder with poor light
12:52 PM fragalot: >.<
12:52 PM gloops: the best motto - walk before you run
12:52 PM miss0r: The customer has alot more work for me already :] Apparently he was quite pleased with the result
12:52 PM fragalot: I wouldn't do either on top of a ladder, gloops
12:53 PM miss0r: lol
12:53 PM gloops: fragalot how are you going to get down then?
12:53 PM miss0r: Who would have guessed. heh, I mean - both cables had the same colors, they were just installed in two different ways
12:53 PM fragalot: gloops: by climbing down the stairs
12:53 PM MrHindsight: fragalot: Perrigo is incorporated n Ireland now, I'll have to look at the drama
12:53 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: Of course they're inc in Ireland..
12:53 PM miss0r: fragalot: Descent
12:53 PM fragalot: it's a public tax haven
12:54 PM MrHindsight: miss0r: yeah, I have learned to never trust them by color alone
12:54 PM MrHindsight: they don't make it easy
12:55 PM miss0r: MrHindsight: I will not do so anymore either. But it just struck me as odd, I mean two mitutoyo cables, that came in the same box'n everything.
12:55 PM MrHindsight: never I mean Never invest in leprechauns, they don't really exist (learned the hard way)
12:56 PM MrHindsight: miss0r: yeah, how do they even QC them?
12:56 PM miss0r: plug'em in, 'workie'/'no workie' ?
12:56 PM MrHindsight: miss0r: maybe they just plug them into a fixture and don't care about colors
12:57 PM fragalot: lol
12:57 PM gloops: here fill this in miss0r youre away https://www.ltd-companies.co.uk/
12:58 PM * JT-Shop makes another cover... the first one had one leg too long
12:58 PM miss0r: I've never taken one of them apart before - Truly a quality cable. firstly the stainless armor jacket, then some oilresistand plastic - Sheilding - plastic jacket - sheilding - paper wrapping - then the wires themself with a cotton cord in the middle
12:58 PM miss0r: That can't be cheap to make
12:58 PM gloops: https://www.ltd-companies.co.uk/company/packages.aspx
12:58 PM miss0r: gloops: I don't think I would do me any good to registere a company in the UK.
12:59 PM MrHindsight: Hong Kong is another good place to incorporate
12:59 PM miss0r: Especially now when they are leaving the EU ;)
12:59 PM miss0r: MrHindsight: Would make for some great buisness trips
12:59 PM MrHindsight: only pay tax on sales within Hong Kong
12:59 PM fragalot: lol
01:06 PM gloops: better off putting the house in the wifes name and carry on as sole trader
01:06 PM gloops: self assessment
01:06 PM fragalot: get a dog to register your visa card on
01:06 PM fragalot: liquidize your assents
01:06 PM gloops: right
01:06 PM gregcnc: does that work if you're married?
01:06 PM fragalot: invest in bitcoin
01:06 PM gloops: gregcnc at least half of it is hers
01:06 PM gregcnc: i don't think it works that way here
01:06 PM MrHindsight: i forget, does pumakins have some issues with the simulator?
01:06 PM MrHindsight: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/src/emc/kinematics/pumakins.c
01:06 PM MrHindsight: "Vismach / Puma: Make the Puma simulator geometry match the kinematics."
01:06 PM Tom_L: how's 2024 to machine?
01:06 PM fragalot: Tom_L: i'm sure we'll find out in a year or 6
01:06 PM Tom_L: year?
01:06 PM Tom_L: why so long?
01:06 PM fragalot: Tom_L: 2024 - 2018 = 6
01:06 PM Tom_L: glad i didn't ask for 6061
01:06 PM Tom_L: or 7075
01:06 PM gloops: gregcnc the way we see it here, let them take the house for goodness sake, they cant take my hands off me
01:07 PM fragalot: "we won't be machining by then, we'll just hit print in the materializer"
01:07 PM gloops: so ill always be ok
01:07 PM gregcnc: 2024 and 7075 machine well, harder than 6061 and chip better, not as gummy
01:07 PM MrHindsight: fragalot: can not materialize, error PC load letter
01:07 PM Tom_L: oh good
01:08 PM Tom_L: i know 7075 does good
01:10 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: I wonder if you'll still have to replace the cartridge eacht ime you want to print by then
01:10 PM fragalot: "can't print this B&W document because i'm out of cyan"
01:12 PM MrHindsight: https://makezine.com/2015/09/18/robot-arms-you-can-buy-soon/
01:13 PM MrHindsight: ^^ these arms are too close to the toy arms
01:13 PM gloops: arent the cheapo ebay arms any good?
01:13 PM fragalot: marginally clever is the best company name
01:14 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: at least they don't use RC servo's?
01:14 PM FinboySlick: https://www.cafedeclic.com/images/copy/uploads/actus/thumb/661b5b10524e67bba1030ac5ccf0cce12654772a.jpg <--- I had to laugh.
01:15 PM MrHindsight: gloops: used or new?
01:16 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fully-Assembled-6-Axis-Mechanical-Robotic-Arm-Clamp-for-Arduino-Raspberry/302497526970?
01:17 PM fragalot: gloops: useless toy
01:17 PM XXCoder: lol looks fake, whole thing
01:17 PM gloops: not accurate or something?
01:17 PM MrHindsight: gloops: they use direct drive open loop steppers
01:17 PM fragalot: not accurate, not strong
01:17 PM XXCoder: that paper
01:17 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: no they don't, they use RC servo's
01:18 PM gloops: MrHindsight so does my router!
01:19 PM MrHindsight: fragalot: https://www.dobot.cc/dobot-magician/product-overview.html
01:19 PM MrHindsight: SLIGHTLY BETTER ^^^
01:19 PM gloops: anyway - no servos, you can add what you like and run it from linuxcnc
01:19 PM fragalot: the little RC servo arms are cute for kids to learn on
01:20 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: that link is taking forever to load
01:20 PM gloops: couple of big ones for sale near me
01:20 PM MrHindsight: $15k with built in controller https://www.mecademic.com/products/Meca500-small-robot-arm
01:20 PM gloops: 2 tonne each https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/robotic-arm-ABB-foundry-plus/232664570054?
01:21 PM MrHindsight: yeah, small precise bots are often custom
01:22 PM fragalot: yeah it's not loading
01:22 PM MrHindsight: fragalot: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dobot/dobot-robotic-arm-for-everyone-arduino-and-open-so the poopstarter version
01:23 PM fragalot: oh god kickstarter
01:23 PM FinboySlick: gloops: If I win it, will you ship it to me? ;)
01:23 PM XXCoder: looks like anyone with mill can make one
01:24 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: creative placement of motors, but it seems very limited in motion
01:24 PM gloops: well i havent got a ship, but ill do my best FinboySlick
01:25 PM MrHindsight: https://automata.tech/
01:25 PM MrHindsight: Repeatability: ± 0.5mm Payload: 1.25kg :)
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
01:27 PM MrHindsight: jeebezuz 1mm of slop, I wonder if thats due to flex in the arms or just poor gearing and motors
01:27 PM fragalot: xD
01:27 PM gloops: gnite ichs, im just watching one of your vids
01:27 PM IchGucksLive: MrHindsight: i did a cool Android App for a 6DOF to control
01:27 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: it is, however, good enough for a lot of applications.
01:27 PM IchGucksLive: MrHindsight: for simple Servo robot Servos modified to 360 MG966r
01:27 PM * fragalot wonders if they could buy one at work to experiment with
01:28 PM fragalot: wait.
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: not finished
01:28 PM fragalot: "reserve now"
01:28 PM fragalot: ha
01:28 PM MrHindsight: eye roll https://automata.tech/technology.html#gearing
01:28 PM fragalot: never mind.
01:28 PM gloops: .5mm is a mile if putting things on a conveyor belt
01:28 PM gloops: isnt a mile
01:29 PM fragalot: it's certainly good enough for most spray applications, but I don't like sites that have a "reserve now" button rather than "request quotation"
01:29 PM MrHindsight: yeah, not done yet
01:29 PM XXCoder: https://automata.tech/img/tech/nopinch.jpg robotic harassment
01:30 PM MrHindsight: https://www.rs-online.com/designspark/how-get-a-professional-bench-robot-at-an-affordable-price-with-st-robotics
01:30 PM MrHindsight: XXCoder: I have insurance for that
01:30 PM XXCoder: lol
01:32 PM XXCoder: gloops: yeah if its rotational base say, .5mm would cause pretty large error in position if arm is extended outwards
01:32 PM MrHindsight: https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/1242679/?en-ds-_-web-_-ds:inspiration:technology-hub:robotics:how-get-a-professional-bench-robot-at-an-affordable-price-with-st-robotics_fp-_-1242679 £8,021
01:32 PM MrHindsight: Positional Repeatability 0.1mm
01:33 PM fragalot: I like how agressively it grabs those test tubes in the demo vid
01:34 PM fragalot: CLACK...POP...CLACK...POP
01:37 PM XXCoder: fragalot: tube abuser
01:42 PM MrHindsight: Featurtes: converts most glass tubes to small shards
01:42 PM fragalot: compacts
01:43 PM fragalot: and spreads
01:43 PM XXCoder: and reforges glass into tubes again
01:43 PM fragalot: but less accurate than before
01:43 PM fragalot: ;D
01:47 PM gloops: left my notepad in the garage, i hate not having something to draw on, my brains works by putting endless ideas into sketches
02:09 PM Deejay: re
02:20 PM Crom_: wierd, linuxcnc-2.7 debian iso will not see the touch screen OR the card
02:24 PM gloops: ran updates?
02:25 PM MrHindsight: 2.7 is that wheezy, dopey or sleepy?
02:25 PM gloops: jesse
02:26 PM gloops: plus, are those dwarves or pac man ghosts?
02:26 PM Crom_: the card being wifi or ethernet
02:27 PM Crom_: wheezy 32bit
02:28 PM Crom_: yep, gonna reinstall Mint and build another 64 bit Linuxcnc 2.8 GMOCCAPY install
02:28 PM gloops: you can update to 2.8
02:28 PM pcw_mesa: Debian is not terribly hardware friendly
02:29 PM gloops: its on the repository, dont know if it makes any difference for that issue
02:29 PM pcw_mesa: ( being unsullied by non-GPL drivers )
02:30 PM gloops: my z motor is only moving one direction, whichever way i send it
02:30 PM gloops: must be loose wire (i hope)
02:40 PM fragalot: gloops: either a loose wire, or a pin that is misconfigured
02:42 PM gloops: yeah will check it tommorrow, powered off the garage now
02:43 PM gloops: i wonder how long a vfd stores a config, if theres an internal battery or something
02:44 PM fragalot: most likely in an eeprom
02:44 PM fragalot: so, as long as you don't change them ~100000 times, it should keep it pretty much indefinitely
02:45 PM gloops: hmm thats ok then, have not checked the parameters since i ran it 6 months ago
02:54 PM miss0r: fragalot: I just had my boss on the phone asking me to reconsider :D
02:54 PM gloops: i think i might have deleted setp parport.0.pin-06-out-reset 1
02:55 PM fragalot: miss0r: Shame you've already made your mind up? :)
02:55 PM miss0r: fragalot: I told him that I would stick with my decision, but he was more than willing to hire me in for jobs as we discussed. hehe
02:55 PM fragalot: :-)
02:55 PM miss0r: And I promised him if I needed some electrician help, I would call him ;)
02:56 PM fragalot: and then he could hire you
02:57 PM miss0r: and I might very well do. I am not allowed to connect machines directly to a junction box, without be an authorized electrician. And here in denmark theres usualy only one per company - the boss. and he basically signs off on behalf of all his employees
02:57 PM fragalot: Ah.
02:58 PM miss0r: I am allowed to work under the 'machine directive', where I can do all the electricial stuff I want ON a machine, as long as it can be turned off with a repair seperator, that is lockable with a padlock
02:59 PM fragalot: I'm allow to work on anything low voltage, behind the main "counter"
03:00 PM fragalot: allowed*
03:00 PM gloops: hmm, oer here you are in now way at all allowed to break into the electrical circuit in a building, you can wire up a light and plug it into a socket but not remove the wires from the socket
03:00 PM gloops: that is wire up a light for yourself - not a paying customer
03:01 PM fragalot: the only thing I like about the UK electrical system are the switches on the sockets
03:01 PM fragalot: those giant plugs however are a death trap if you're barefoot
03:01 PM fragalot: worse than lego
03:01 PM miss0r: I don't like that part at all :D
03:02 PM miss0r: The only thing I like about the UK installations are the ring connections
03:02 PM gloops: and that sht has a funny way of coming back on you, you might do 5000 wire jobs and never hear a thing - then one day fire on TV - who did the wiring? the inquiry will want to know
03:02 PM miss0r: Quite a beefy way to do stuff
03:02 PM fragalot: miss0r: not really
03:02 PM fragalot: well, in a way, but at the same time not really :P
03:03 PM gloops: ring main yeah, i dont mess with electric stuff much, only in my own stuff
03:03 PM miss0r: I know what you are saying. I wouldn't want to be the one to calculate the strain on such an installation - but it opens up som eoptions
03:05 PM Loetmichel: *HMPF* just got a mail from a co-worker. apparently the company didnt burn down... but someone stole einsteins brains... how did THAT happen? (that was one of the reasons i was hesitant to let the printer work after work hours unsupervised... :-( ) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16986&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
03:05 PM fragalot: miss0r: if one side of the ring breaks, the current capacity is halved, yet the fuse remains the same - so even though it's a ring network with twice the copper, you can still only fuse it for a standard wiring run
03:06 PM miss0r: fragalot: sure, but assuming the wire does not break, you have a very low voltage drop
03:06 PM gloops: the trades bodies get keen with regs because insurers are always looking for someone to blame if theres a big payout pending, blame the cowboy electrician his insurer can pay - if he has one
03:06 PM fragalot: miss0r: That is true.
03:07 PM miss0r: In a part of copenhagen called Frederiksberg, the distribution lines are all connected in one big grid.
03:08 PM miss0r: We had some issues some years ago with the standard breaker boxes in some apartments. The short circuit current was completely insane. Like you were right next to the transformer
03:08 PM fragalot: xD
03:09 PM fragalot: the main transformer is literally in my backyard
03:09 PM miss0r: We had to ops for 10kA automatic fuses, compared to the standard 6kA(wich in most cases in non industrial applications are waaay overkill)
03:09 PM fragalot: yup
03:09 PM fragalot: I have to say though, I quite like being able to switch on a 10kW load without the lights dimming for a second
03:09 PM miss0r: nice. The transformer is pretty far from here... I have actualy never measured the short circuit current here
03:10 PM miss0r: Hehe, the lights in the shop here dimms a little bit when I fire up the spindle on the CNC
03:10 PM gloops: there were some houses near a substation here, they didnt need the electricity on for their strip lights to work heh
03:11 PM miss0r: it is 22kw, but i've probally never used half that
03:11 PM gloops: they had a protest each carrying a flourescent tube at night - all glowing by themselves
03:11 PM miss0r: lol
03:11 PM fragalot: miss0r: fair amount of spindle for a garage shop :P
03:11 PM miss0r: fragalot: Indeed. big'ol DC motor actualy :)
03:11 PM fragalot: hehe
03:12 PM fragalot: I used to run an ancient Monarch with a 20kW ish DC motor
03:12 PM miss0r: Choosers can't be pickers - I couldn't refuse the deal I was delt with this one
03:12 PM fragalot: loved that thing
03:12 PM miss0r: Or whatever the saying is
03:12 PM fragalot: the faint humming of the transformer/rectifier in the next room
03:12 PM miss0r: Damn, I'm forgetting the time. I'll see you guys around
03:12 PM fragalot: bye
03:25 PM Tom_L: gloops move your cnc a bit closer to the substation :)
03:26 PM Tom_L: lay a coil of wire out in your back yard
03:26 PM Tom_L: for 'storage'
03:28 PM gloops: lol
03:33 PM Loetmichel: Tom_L: wouldnt work
03:33 PM Loetmichel: substation transformers are pretty good magnetically shielded
03:34 PM Loetmichel: living under a big medium wave radio transmitter would be more promising
03:56 PM MrHindsight: https://jalopnik.com/porsche-is-3d-printing-hard-to-find-parts-for-the-959-a-1822959539
03:57 PM MrHindsight: SLS not FDM/FFF
03:59 PM gregcnc: guys have been printing some parts for model aircraft engines for a few year now. Parts that can be made of plastic of course
04:12 PM Deejay: gn8
04:20 PM SpeedEvil: SLS would be excellent for printing some exotic tiny engines.
04:20 PM SpeedEvil: You'd probably want in many or most cases to sleeve them.
04:20 PM pfred1: Slackware Linux Systems?
04:20 PM SpeedEvil: That is - metal.
04:21 PM SpeedEvil: selective laser sintering.
04:21 PM pfred1: slack!
04:21 PM MrHindsight: SLS = selective laser sintering
04:21 PM * pfred1 sics Bob Dobbs on SpeedEvil
04:22 PM pfred1: MrHindsight http://www.klaxo.net/tcoto/rel/MISC_REL/SUB_GEN/BOBSLACK.GIF
04:23 PM pfred1: that reminds me i still need ot install my slack fonts on this system
05:04 PM MrHindsight: has macgal--- disappeared? Geologist that wanted to make repro plastic car parts using SLS or low volume injection molding
05:05 PM MrHindsight: !seen MacGalempsy
05:07 PM MrHindsight: !help
05:07 PM MrHindsight: bot gone?
05:08 PM malcom2073: I can ping on him facebook if you need him
05:08 PM malcom2073: My guess, he's been at a site with unreliable internet, or working too hard
05:08 PM MrHindsight: just wondering if he was still working on making parts car doodads
05:09 PM pfred1: MrHindsight there's always nick services
05:09 PM MrHindsight: yeah he went somewhere in the 3rd world for oil exploration, Oklahoma or north Texas
05:10 PM malcom2073: He was in OK for a while, dunno if he stayed there
05:10 PM pfred1: he might have froze to a pole
05:31 PM Cromaglious_: Mr Wolf around?
05:32 PM Cromaglious_: 2.0^ means 5v sinks on P2.0 right?
05:50 PM pfred1: Herr Wolf?
05:52 PM Cromaglious_: Herr Wolf
06:03 PM Wolf__: ^.^
06:04 PM pfred1: ought oh my left palm is itching I must be fixing to be out some money
06:06 PM Tom_L: i can help you out with that
06:06 PM pfred1: Tom_L I get that a lot
06:06 PM Tom_L: so do i
06:06 PM pfred1: seems everyone is out to help there
06:08 PM pfred1: I just built a PC and now is not a good time for that
06:08 PM Tom_L: PCs are cheap
06:08 PM pfred1: RAM and graphics adapters aren't
06:08 PM gregcnc: do we have a reference or examples for writing tool paths using formula? say an ellipse
06:09 PM pfred1: but historically compared to what they have cost in the past I guess it has been worse?
06:09 PM Tom_L: i paid more for one of my very first HDDs than a recent motherboard
06:09 PM malcom2073: pfred1: I'm looking to build a new VM host, and I didn't realize how bad the memory had gotten heh
06:09 PM pfred1: oh i paid $158 once for 8MB of EDO RAM
06:09 PM pfred1: it still stings!
06:09 PM Tom_L: but you could keep your coffee warm on it
06:10 PM pfred1: malcom2073 if you need DDR4 al lI can say is good luck to you
06:10 PM gloops: a library of formulas gregcnc?
06:10 PM Tom_L: Tom_L 1 gloops 0
06:10 PM Tom_L: what's the issue gloops??
06:10 PM gregcnc: no, I need to write gcode to produce a shape using math
06:10 PM Tom_L: i wanna see some chips!
06:10 PM malcom2073: phaxx: I'm thinking of building it with DDR3
06:10 PM malcom2073: pfred1: *
06:11 PM gregcnc: i just found an ellipse https://forum.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/16744/Ellipse.ngc
06:11 PM Tom_L: what shapes are you looking for?
06:11 PM pfred1: malcom2073 I hear RAM is supposed to drop in about a year if you can wait that long
06:11 PM gregcnc: p3 polygon spline
06:12 PM pfred1: malcom2073 even DDR3 is up but not as bad as DDR4 is
06:12 PM pfred1: DDR4 is twice as fast so you are getting more for your money
06:12 PM malcom2073: Yeah I may just wait it out. My VM server is getting old and crusty heh
06:13 PM pfred1: I built a Haswell system because the last new PC I built i had some driver issues in Linux with it
06:13 PM gregcnc: I think the ellipse example should be enough to go on
06:13 PM pfred1: I figured a few years old things would be well shaken out and they are
06:14 PM malcom2073: Are they? I have a year old laptop, and I still can't get linux running on it heh
06:14 PM pfred1: so DDR3
06:14 PM malcom2073: (The dual video card thing with intel/nvidia)
06:14 PM pfred1: yeah I've had issues with the latest hardware and Linux in the past
06:15 PM pfred1: Intel and Nvidia should work
06:15 PM malcom2073: It runs win7, I'm hesitant to upgrade to a new laptop (MSI is buying this one back from me whenever I want), caues all their new ones run win10 only
06:15 PM malcom2073: And linux support is... iffy
06:15 PM Tom_L: gregcnc what's it for? gears or something else?
06:16 PM pfred1: I have a laptop but I'm just not a laptop kind of a guy all it does is sit there
06:16 PM pfred1: I mean for years it has just sat where it is
06:16 PM malcom2073: Ah, I mainly use my laptop, just remote desktop into my desktop heh
06:16 PM pfred1: once i left it on and got 524 days of uptime on it though
06:16 PM gregcnc: just a connection to a shaft
06:16 PM Tom_L: why do you need to do it with math?
06:17 PM pfred1: then I was like this is still on? and turned it off
06:17 PM gregcnc: well i could put the math into SW and CAM it, but I figure i learn something new
06:17 PM pfred1: all of that convinced me that I'm just not hte laptop type
06:18 PM Tom_L: i've got 10 laptops in the house and i don't use any of them
06:18 PM pfred1: Tom_L maybe it is the keyboards on them? I just don't like it
06:18 PM Tom_L: oh i really don't like the new ones with flat keys
06:18 PM pfred1: yeah the chicklet keys
06:19 PM pfred1: I think that's what mine has
06:19 PM Tom_L: i have enough trouble finding 'home' on a regular one since i've lost feeling in one index finger
06:19 PM gregcnc: lick them to check
06:19 PM pfred1: yeah if the keys were flavored I'd like them more
06:19 PM malcom2073: lol
06:20 PM pfred1: or lick them more even
06:21 PM pfred1: I got the webcam to work on it and itis like potato vision I can't believe how crappy it is
06:21 PM pfred1: looks like a pixillated cartoon or something
06:23 PM pfred1: BTW never buy an Acer computer
06:23 PM pfred1: they are lying thieving bastards
06:37 PM gloops: lol
06:37 PM gloops: i never had an acer lie to me
06:37 PM pfred1: the company lied to me
06:38 PM gloops: what did they say?
06:38 PM pfred1: well they said they replaced the HDD in it
06:39 PM pfred1: twice but both times the machine had the exact same error so the odds of that happening are vanishingly slim
06:39 PM Tom_L: you should have marked it
06:39 PM gloops: could be a design fault, but i think youre roght
06:39 PM pfred1: I should have gotten the serial number off it yes
06:39 PM gloops: right
06:39 PM pfred1: but at the outset i did not know what kinds of snakes I was dealing with
06:39 PM Tom_L: they're human right?
06:40 PM Tom_L: take it from there
06:40 PM pfred1: they were good at the game they just held the unit for a long time and waited me out
06:40 PM gloops: youre probably dealing with a service franchise not acer
06:40 PM pfred1: oh no it was going directly back to them
06:40 PM pfred1: they would just reload the OS and send it back out
06:41 PM pfred1: qhwn I told them the HDD was damaged they said that the yreplaced it and they obviously didn't
06:41 PM pfred1: there was no way they were putting another HDD in that computer and that was final
06:41 PM gloops: well all that happens they give it to some kid and say here sort that out
06:41 PM pfred1: not unless i bought another one off of them
06:42 PM pfred1: finally after the third time it came back I ran smartctrl on the drive and fixed it myself
06:43 PM gloops: well bedtime here
06:43 PM pfred1: that was after they kicked the machine across the warehouse floor and scuffed it all up
06:44 PM pfred1: heck that first year they had that machine more than I did
10:12 PM Cromaglious_: hmmm...
10:54 PM ves: This is Crom -- Building the VES Vehile Electrical Supply Linuxcnc machine
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