#linuxcnc Logs
Feb 07 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:00 AM pink_vampire: it is a none standard thread
12:03 AM Wolf__: doubtful
12:03 AM pink_vampire: this is way I just use a pvc board
12:03 AM pink_vampire: so it make the thread as it go
12:06 AM pink_vampire: job done!
12:06 AM Wolf__: machinist would have used a v block or grooved scrap lol
12:07 AM Wolf__: or drilled some stock, slit it and use it as a clamping fixture
12:11 AM pink_vampire: no need to go crazy
12:12 AM pink_vampire: it is just a knob after all
12:16 AM Wolf__: huh, you said it was part of a valve
12:17 AM pink_vampire: yes, the knob
12:17 AM pink_vampire: the mist head look soooo nice
12:17 AM Wolf__: sure looks like a shaft
12:18 AM pink_vampire: i send a pic
12:19 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/LdxN5NY.jpg
12:19 AM Wolf__: stupid question, why didn’t you just drill the knob hole bigger
12:19 AM pink_vampire: this is the before https://i.imgur.com/zYoCX4e.jpg
12:20 AM pink_vampire: Wolf__: it is very sentimental knob
12:21 AM Wolf__: 0.o
12:23 AM pink_vampire: the valve was 5$ or something like that, and the knob is from the flow meter, so, I prefer the get a new valve if i need bigger shaft, then change the dimensions of the knob
12:24 AM Wolf__: damn wish I had some $$$ to blow http://www.myronbowling.com/Auctions/Leading-CD-DVD-Manufacturer-979C50.html?LayoutID=23#gallery
12:25 AM pink_vampire: http://www.myronbowling.com/Auctions/Leading-CD-DVD-Manufacturer-979C50.html?LayoutID=23
12:25 AM pink_vampire: http://www.myronbowling.com/_filelib/ImageGallery/2018_Auction_Images/Technicolor/CD_DVD_JPGs/Technicolor-118.jpg
12:26 AM pink_vampire: http://www.myronbowling.com/_filelib/ImageGallery/2018_Auction_Images/Technicolor/CD_DVD_JPGs/IMG_0391.jpg
12:26 AM Wolf__: yeah I saw the CMM
12:26 AM pink_vampire: life supply http://www.myronbowling.com/_filelib/ImageGallery/2018_Auction_Images/Technicolor/CD_DVD_JPGs/IMG_0404.jpg
12:27 AM pink_vampire: is will work with linux cnc? http://www.myronbowling.com/_filelib/ImageGallery/2018_Auction_Images/Technicolor/CD_DVD_JPGs/Technicolor-141.jpg
12:27 AM Wolf__: no idea
12:33 AM Wolf__: lol I have 3x that in tooling vs whats in the cabinet pic
12:34 AM Wolf__: looks like half of that is all reams as well…
12:34 AM pink_vampire: keep only the ones you are using!
12:34 AM Wolf__: umm right….
12:35 AM Wolf__: why the hell would I need cutters in more then one size
12:35 AM Wolf__: and reams, drills, end mills, counter bores, taps
12:35 AM pink_vampire: correct!
12:36 AM pink_vampire: the small one can cut also large holes
12:38 AM Wolf__: and why have end mills in 2 3 and 4 flute right?
12:45 AM pink_vampire: 2 more phenolic laminated parts to cut
01:16 AM evilroot: You want a CMM?
01:16 AM evilroot: Buy the one I have sitting in storage, heh
01:17 AM Wolf__: lol
01:18 AM IchGucksLive: morning from ice cold Germany -7degC outside
01:19 AM pink_vampire: -7c also here
01:20 AM IchGucksLive: pink_vampire: are you baking large cakes
01:20 AM evilroot: No really, I have a Starrett Rapid Check II
01:20 AM IchGucksLive: i got the european equi here to your hobart
01:20 AM IchGucksLive: evilr real good equipment
01:20 AM pink_vampire: no, i just finished my mist nozzle
01:20 AM evilroot: Its just sitting in storage
01:21 AM evilroot: I'd love to sell it, heh
01:21 AM pink_vampire: before https://i.imgur.com/zYoCX4e.jpg after https://i.imgur.com/LdxN5NY.jpg
01:21 AM Wolf__: how big is it lol
01:22 AM IchGucksLive: oink its about a 3k mixer
01:22 AM Wolf__: evilroot
01:23 AM evilroot: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5fQTi1W868OdFlhbFBBSnQ1U3M/view?usp=sharing
01:24 AM pink_vampire: it's red!
01:24 AM Wolf__: fully working?
01:24 AM evilroot: Yep
01:25 AM evilroot: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5fQTi1W868OSUducjRud25NU3c/view?usp=sharing
01:25 AM Wolf__: no idea what I would do with one, will it fit in a flat rate box =P
01:26 AM evilroot: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5fQTi1W868OUnVpVExtSm9rd3c/view?usp=sharing
01:26 AM evilroot: All manuals
01:26 AM pink_vampire: i need to probe a sheet metal part
01:26 AM evilroot: Computer, drivers, everything
01:26 AM pink_vampire: and re make it
01:27 AM evilroot: Weighs about 2100lbs
01:27 AM Wolf__: not bad
01:27 AM pink_vampire: my landlord will be happy with it
01:27 AM evilroot: Since the plate and risers are solid granite, heh
01:27 AM Wolf__: my forklift only does 8k
01:28 AM evilroot: I got it off the truck with a small forklift
01:29 AM pink_vampire: how complicated it to take it up in the stairs?
01:29 AM evilroot: lol
01:29 AM Wolf__: thats easy
01:30 AM Wolf__: 3 stage mast forklift and cut a hole in a outside wall
01:30 AM evilroot: I'd be happy getting $800 for it
01:30 AM IchGucksLive: building heavy stuff upstairs is never a good idee
01:30 AM pink_vampire: i know!
01:30 AM evilroot: Don't know how much work it would need, but its functional
01:31 AM pink_vampire: evilroot: sounds resealable
01:31 AM evilroot: Powered up and jogged all the axises using the PC that came with it
01:31 AM Wolf__: where are you at evil?
01:31 AM evilroot: Everything works
01:31 AM evilroot: Durham, NC
01:31 AM Wolf__: damn your almost close lol
01:32 AM Wolf__: you’re even...
01:32 AM Wolf__: getting that out of a basement was fun https://i.imgur.com/fqp4eES.jpg
01:32 AM evilroot: I got it in a batch with other equipment. Not my forte, but a damned fine machine
01:32 AM evilroot: And seems to work perfectly
01:33 AM pink_vampire: Wolf__: look nice :)
01:33 AM evilroot: Heh, way too safe
01:34 AM evilroot: Like the purple straps
01:34 AM pink_vampire: i need to make 2 of each https://i.imgur.com/9n3Os5q.jpg
01:34 AM Wolf__: getting it up the stairwell was a bitch
01:34 AM evilroot: You took that up stairs?
01:34 AM Wolf__: was in a non-walkout basement lol
01:35 AM evilroot: I'd put that at about 1200lbs
01:35 AM IchGucksLive: Wolf_ i got a Q on this is there a Straight FIX on the Turn Head vto Quick get it Lined up
01:35 AM Wolf__: its about that
01:36 AM evilroot: I've moved a lot of big stuff working with my Dad
01:36 AM Wolf__: IchGucksLive: ?
01:36 AM evilroot: KInd of know on sight, heh
01:37 AM IchGucksLive: the Head can Tilt and 99% work is straight so is there a fixing that centers horicontal straight down drill
01:37 AM Wolf__: IchGucksLive: I dont think it has a quick stop on the head
01:37 AM Wolf__: just 3 clamping bolts
01:37 AM IchGucksLive: so you always need to mesurer
01:37 AM IchGucksLive: with a dial the straight
01:38 AM IchGucksLive: cand belive
01:38 AM Wolf__: yeah, lot of tram if you tilt it
01:42 AM IchGucksLive: id got a huron that was so easy Quick for tilt back Horizontal Vertical as it gad conic bold for 90/45/135/180
01:45 AM Wolf__: it has a scale around the tilt
01:45 AM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/bpO2P3K.jpg
01:45 AM IchGucksLive: https://industry-pilot.com/ru/stanok_add/upload/70e33d8c7268c778f82d2c1f7ec44a22/2974/thumbnails_vorschau/HURON-MU-4_00593-0.jpg
01:46 AM IchGucksLive: yes
01:47 AM Wolf__: looks like a nice apartment machine
01:49 AM pink_vampire: the tray on the side can become the kitchen replacement, and I'm small enough to sleep on the table, so yeah, I will fine, without the house,
01:49 AM Deejay: moin
01:49 AM pink_vampire: moin Deejay
01:50 AM pink_vampire: Deejay: you are always make me smile with your "moin"
01:50 AM Deejay: why? :)
01:51 AM pink_vampire: it's funny
01:51 AM Deejay: hm okay
01:51 AM pink_vampire: you just say "moin" and gone
01:52 AM Deejay: yes, go to work just like now :) laters ;)
01:52 AM pink_vampire: lol
02:11 AM IchGucksLive: im off
02:16 AM gloops: right a few scattered hours to nail this pulley matter, damn im falling behind bigtime with this project now
02:17 AM gloops: mainly because i have faffed about with potentially quicker solutions instead of doing it as i originally planned and knew it would need to be done!
02:18 AM gloops: moral of the story - stick to the plan!
02:20 AM archivist: only stick to a plan if it is right!
02:21 AM gloops: the plan was right, all of it, that has been shown when i try changing it
02:22 AM gloops: time threw me of focus, got behind - what corners can be cut?
02:23 AM gloops: cut corners, doesnt work, wasted more time, took longer
02:23 AM Wolf__: do it right once, vs redoing it over and over
02:23 AM gloops: yes
02:27 AM gloops: if id made the original pulley inserts i was going to, id have seen the machine move 1 day later than it did, but it would have been right
02:28 AM gloops: instead i reckon ive spent 4-5 days messing with different solutions
02:30 AM Crom: Busy day... took apart a Alternator testing machine. Got some REALLY nice pieces of cold rolled steel, peaumatic cylinders, solenoids, breakers, din rails, contactors, regulator, 3 ph motor and VFD circa 1998, bunch of regulated DC power supplies
02:31 AM Wolf__: cool
02:31 AM Wolf__: I’m looking for a misplaced serial command list for a vks454 camera…
02:32 AM Crom: plate motor was on, is 3/4" cold rolled, flycut on both sides
02:35 AM Crom: http://read.pudn.com/downloads80/doc/comm/310317/%E7%9B%91%E6%8E%A7%E5%8D%8F%E8%AE%AE%E5%A4%A7%E5%85%A8/%E6%91%84%E5%83%8F%E6%9C%BA%E5%8D%8F%E8%AE%AE/%E6%97%A5%E7%AB%8B%E5%8D%8F%E8%AE%AE/HITACHI_S454R_Comm_E12.pdf
02:36 AM Crom: vk-s454 camera returned stuff
02:37 AM Wolf__: I know I have it somewhere on my computer lol
02:38 AM Crom: https://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=79160.0
02:40 AM Crom: search contents of files for "WFCCB"
02:41 AM Wolf__: oh nice a actual explanation in plain english of how to feed the commands to the camera
02:43 AM Crom: My Linuxcnc GMOCCAPY machine took a crap... not coming up... grrr... I used the backup drive to fix my wifes 2 yr old laptop... thinking the 6 month old 2TB in the linuxcnc machine would be fine... ARGH(#)*&)(*&*@)(#$&%^
02:44 AM Wolf__: this is one of my old projects that I set aside a year or so ago lol
02:44 AM archivist: only a year!
02:44 AM Crom: Got my Sonoff knock off Smart home wifi 10amp modules working...
02:44 AM gloops: lol, my 2 week build is turning into 2 months
02:46 AM Crom: Went to the shop today planning on working on the CNC conversion... nope... forgot to take the PS for the computer... Then this Alternator machine showed up...
02:46 AM Wolf__: I know there has to be a way to control the cam because flytron sells a similar camera w/ a breakout board added to it that uses RC pwm for zoom/focus
02:47 AM Crom: toook the Parallel cable though
02:47 AM MrHindsight: 100-car pileup https://www.accuweather.com/en/videos/incredible-new-drone-video-shows-deadly-100-car-pileup-on-snowy-missouri-interstate/dmatg5zte6unjnqbugez4rqkjbamhxg1
02:50 AM Wolf__: oh yeah, how the hell do you get serial parity to even with a arduino…
02:50 AM archivist: fix the shitty library probably
02:51 AM Wolf__: =/
02:51 AM archivist: does it even have parity in the hardware?
02:52 AM Crom: evidently https://www.arduino.cc/en/Serial/Begin
02:52 AM Crom: SERIAL_8E1
02:53 AM malcom2073: The hardware does indeed support parity, and a variety of stop bit modes
02:53 AM Crom: Serial.begin(speed, config)
02:54 AM MrHindsight: 3 parity options N,E and O
02:55 AM Crom: 3ph contactors 65amp each lug 110v coil
02:55 AM Wolf__: so 8E1 for the thing I’m working with
02:56 AM Crom: Serial.begin(4800, SERIAL_8E1)
02:57 AM * Wolf__ really needs to work with this crap more
02:58 AM Crom: I need to find a 0.623 reamer and a 0.610ish drill bit
02:59 AM fragalot: nothing like a good old morning EKG.
02:59 AM MrHindsight: fragalot: anything good or just flat lines?
02:59 AM Crom: hmmm 39/64" bit
03:00 AM fragalot: MrHindsight: slightly irratic, blood tests will rule out more by this evening
03:00 AM Wolf__: weird size there Crom
03:00 AM MrHindsight: fragalot: hope you get it sorted out
03:00 AM fragalot: so far it's either an infection (brain?yay?), or a disc popped out of place in my neck & is causing havoc.
03:01 AM fragalot: Yeah I'll be fine. It's just very uncomfortable.
03:01 AM Crom: 0.609" with wobble, probably a 0.615ish hole... Ream to 0.622 to 0.624
03:01 AM fragalot: oh a good note: Holy crap what a nice launch for the falcon heavy!
03:02 AM Wolf__: free roadster if you can figure out how to get it back down
03:02 AM Crom: had to show my buddy the opening scene from "Heavy Metal" with the Vette
03:02 AM MrHindsight: I bet the tires don't have air and the batteries are gone
03:02 AM fragalot: Wolf__: I wonder if they replaced the electronics with space-grade ones
03:02 AM Wolf__: nope
03:02 AM fragalot: MrHindsight: actually they added ADDITIONAL batteries
03:03 AM fragalot: MrHindsight: to keep the music playing longer.
03:03 AM Wolf__: I think he said that the battery would be dead after about 12 hrs or something
03:03 AM Crom: Tires probably don't have air.. probably have nitrogen
03:03 AM fragalot: Wolf__: assuming they remembered to turn off the heaters :P
03:05 AM MrHindsight: another conspiracy from the flat earthers
03:05 AM fragalot: What did they come up with this time?
03:06 AM MrHindsight: the earth is still flat
03:06 AM Crom: trying to bore a hole for a 1940ish starter... needed the bushing hole bushinged DOH!
03:07 AM fragalot: MrHindsight: lens distortion?
03:07 AM MrHindsight: the onboard video feed is just made up in a studio
03:07 AM fragalot: Crom: lol
03:07 AM MrHindsight: facts don't matter around here anymore :)
03:07 AM malcom2073: Man, commercial passenger space flight is gonna really hurt the flat earth society's membership base
03:07 AM fragalot: MrHindsight: I just feel sorry for the stig.
03:07 AM malcom2073: Granted, most of them probably won't ever be able to afford it to see
03:07 AM fragalot: I don't know if he realized what he signed up for
03:08 AM Wolf__: lol malcom2073
03:09 AM fragalot: malcom2073: https://i.imgur.com/oralwEk.jpg
03:09 AM Wolf__: so many things break flat earthers theories
03:10 AM malcom2073: Lol in their defence, it DOES look photoshopped
03:11 AM malcom2073: Just cause of the rediculousness of it
03:11 AM Wolf__: lol
03:11 AM fragalot: hehe yeah it's great.
03:12 AM Wolf__: imagine the meeting when the idea was introduced, you want to launch what?
03:12 AM fragalot: haha
03:12 AM malcom2073: I imagine if you're in a position where you're in regular meetings with Musk, you're used to this sort of thing
03:12 AM Crom: fragalot: you can get underside ID bushings, you can't get oversized OD's, we boring head bored the hole round, tig brazed a steel reducer. Damn brazing is REALLY TOUGH!! I broke 3 boring bars on it today...,, used a 1/2 carbide endmill to get it to 1/2", then used a 5/8" endmill, but it cut a 0.6273 hole, bushing needs a 0.623 to 0.625" hole
03:13 AM fragalot: Crom: could you not have made your own bushing?
03:13 AM Crom: we can, have oillite on order
03:22 AM Crom: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Oilite-Bronze-Bushing-3-8-id-x-3-4-od-x-1-Length-Sleeve-Bearing-Spacer-New/292334235066?hash=item44107a6dba:g:~CkAAOSwK6RZD783
03:42 AM gloops: a spacer?
03:44 AM gloops: its better to buy a lot of things because of the time involved in making them, may as well just buy it and use the time doing something else
03:44 AM gloops: id probably have made a spacer though
03:44 AM fragalot: gloops: that's assuming that you could buy an off the shelf part
03:44 AM fragalot: if you can't buy a bushing with the right OD because your hole is already larger so you have to sleeve it first... Make a bushing that fits.
03:45 AM gloops: in fact i have made 4 for this project, spacers for ballscrew housing, made them from ally tube
03:46 AM gloops: no friction on them
04:41 AM jthornton: morning
04:41 AM fragalot: mornin'
04:43 AM jthornton: very little ice accumulation this morning and we still have electricity :)
04:43 AM fragalot: paris got the worst of it it seems
04:44 AM MrHindsight: 4,000 miles wet of Paris got a little as well
04:45 AM fragalot: Paris is, indeed, quite wet. :P
04:45 AM MrHindsight: wet/west
04:46 AM fragalot: That's different snow. doesn't count. :P
04:47 AM MarcelineVQ: gloops: be wary, alu dust is a powerful abrasive, it's The abrasive really
04:47 AM MrHindsight: only after it oxidizes
04:47 AM fragalot: if it oxidizes in powder form*
04:48 AM fragalot: if it anodises in a solid form all you get is a super hard wearing area
04:48 AM fragalot: which is actually really useful for machines.
04:48 AM MrHindsight: does he live in an oxygen free area?
04:48 AM MarcelineVQ: right sorry, be wary on earth gloops
04:49 AM MrHindsight: oh oh oh anodizing don't fear the electrochemistry
04:49 AM fragalot: ._.
04:49 AM MrHindsight: :)
04:49 AM gloops: yes i was wary of using ally, there are a few things ive done as a temp measure to get the thing to a point where i can test the motion, which i can change later, i have got the original bushes somewhere theyll turn up when i finally clear the garage up heh
04:49 AM fragalot: I have accidentally anodized aluminium before with electrochemically "activated" NaOH
04:49 AM fragalot: turns a really nice purple-ish blue
04:51 AM MrHindsight: anodize vs oxidation, what's the diff?
04:51 AM gloops: i have a habit of picking things up and thinking ffs dont lose this, putting it somewhere really safe, then 2 week later - no idea where
04:51 AM fragalot: MrHindsight: one is a controlled process, the other isn't?
04:51 AM MarcelineVQ: gloops: Me too, except change 2 weeks to 15 seconds
04:51 AM MrHindsight: about 24um
04:51 AM fragalot: ha.
04:52 AM XXCoder: gloops: now that is really safe/
04:52 AM XXCoder: I mean, if nobody knows where it is, it cant be stolen ;)
04:52 AM MrHindsight: bed time before I get too silly
04:52 AM gloops: true it isnt lost, i just dont where it is
04:52 AM fragalot: gnite MrHindsight
04:52 AM archivist: I save my locations in a database :)
04:52 AM XXCoder: night
04:53 AM MrHindsight: has anyone watched Alter Carbon?
04:53 AM MrHindsight: Altered
04:53 AM fragalot: no
04:54 AM XXCoder: not yet
04:54 AM MrHindsight: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2261227/
04:54 AM fragalot: That looks like fun.
04:55 AM MarcelineVQ: more like altered cabron
04:55 AM MrHindsight: hasta banana
05:29 AM jthornton: got the first egg this morning time to test out the ice lol
05:34 AM fragalot: jthornton: are your nipples surviving the cold?
05:35 AM XXCoder: dont pole your eye out
05:35 AM XXCoder: *poke
05:36 AM jthornton: they have been tested down to 1°F
05:42 AM jthornton: now if I can just sort out how to set a static IP address for wlan0 on the RPi I'm set
05:42 AM fragalot: jthornton: well there are 2 ways
05:43 AM fragalot: jthornton: either you edit your /etc/dhcpd.conf, or you have your wifi station assign a static IP via dhcp.
05:44 AM jthornton: I did edit my /etc/dhcpd.conf but I see so many conflicting ideas on what needs to be in there... let me get what I did
05:44 AM fragalot: jthornton: interface wlan0
05:44 AM fragalot: jthornton: static ip_address=192.168.0.100/24
05:44 AM fragalot: jthornton: static routers=192.168.0.1
05:44 AM fragalot: jthornton: static domain_name_servers=192.168.0.1
05:45 AM fragalot: At least, that's what is on mine
05:49 AM Tom_L: 14F
05:50 AM fragalot: 1,4°C here.
05:51 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LusMOtGwTrA
05:51 AM XXCoder: melty
05:51 AM fragalot: what surprised me there is the lack of a circuit board with any form of rigidity
05:52 AM MarcelineVQ: you should crack open your keyboard, they're pretty neat these days, the cricuitboard is a thing sheet of clear plastic
05:52 AM fragalot: I'd prefer to keep my keyboard intact at the moment :P
05:52 AM MarcelineVQ: ones with scroll-wheels sometimes still have a board on that section though
05:52 AM XXCoder: fragalot: cant open mine and yeah opened some of those before
05:53 AM XXCoder: fun one was one kid spilled orange juice in
05:53 AM XXCoder: half of clear plastic circuit board was just clear sheet lol
05:54 AM jthornton: hmm I have the same thing in my etc/dhcpcd.conf I restarted the network but I'm still connected a the old address
05:55 AM fragalot: jthornton: what OS is it running?
05:56 AM jthornton: raspbian-stretch
05:56 AM fragalot: jthornton: because depending on the OS, it could be /etc/network/interfaces instead
05:56 AM jthornton: after a reboot it's still 192.168.1.76
05:57 AM fragalot: LinuxCNC is a linux-based open-source CNC control. | Latest release
05:57 AM fragalot: seconds
05:57 AM fragalot: 11:51 < MrHindsight> about 24um
05:57 AM fragalot: 11:51 < fragalot> ha.
05:57 AM fragalot: 11:51 < XXCoder> gloops: now that is really safe/
05:57 AM fragalot: 11:51 < XXCoder> I mean, if nobody knows where it is, it cant be
05:57 AM fragalot: stolen ;)
05:57 AM fragalot: 11:51 < MrHindsight> bed time before I get too silly
05:57 AM fragalot: 11:51 < gloops> true it isnt lost, i just dont where it is
05:57 AM fragalot: 11:51 < fragalot> gnite MrHindsight
05:57 AM fragalot: 11:51 < archivist> I save my locations in a database :)
05:57 AM fragalot: 11:51 < XXCoder> night
05:57 AM fragalot: 11:52 < MrHindsight> has anyone watched Alter Carbon?
05:57 AM fragalot: 11:52 < MrHindsight> Altered
05:57 AM fragalot: 11:53 < fragalot> no
05:57 AM fragalot: whoops
05:57 AM fragalot: https://www.modmypi.com/blog/tutorial-how-to-give-your-raspberry-pi-a-static-ip-address
05:57 AM MarcelineVQ: buffers :D
05:57 AM XXCoder: lol
05:57 AM jthornton: my /etc/network/interfaces file says For static IP, consult /etc/dhcpcd.conf
05:57 AM fragalot: MarcelineVQ: I accidentally hit "select all" prior to pasting :P
05:58 AM XXCoder: I once acciently pasted over 10,000 lines of text into irc
05:58 AM XXCoder: had to close irc client fast
05:58 AM fragalot: XXCoder: irssi gave me a warning
05:58 AM fragalot: 12:56 -!- Irssi: Pasting 5 lines to #linuxcnc. Press Ctrl-K if you
05:58 AM fragalot: wish to do this or Ctrl-C to cancel.
06:08 AM XXCoder: flat earth rocket failed
06:08 AM XXCoder: probably saving that dumbass
06:12 AM Tom_L: jthornton, some linux versions want you to change that in the gui
06:13 AM Tom_L: don't recall which one but i had to change it there on the last one i did
06:13 AM jthornton: hmmm, I'll have to turn on the hdmi and poke around to see
06:27 AM gloops: driver current settings, peak current, RMS < whats the difference which one do i take as the max setting
06:30 AM fragalot: gloops: RMS = the /real/ current going through it, peak current = the maximum tiny spike it gets
06:31 AM gloops: the drivers and the motors state peak current 4.2amp, i was told not to go above 3.2 though
06:31 AM gloops: the motors squeal at high demand and miss steps, i think thats lack of current
06:33 AM fragalot: likely
06:36 AM fragalot: gloops: basically the RMS current = peak/SQRT(2)
06:36 AM fragalot: assuming a nice sine wave, which the stepper signal obviously isn't.
06:36 AM gloops: i suppose a test on the highest setting wouldnt hurt just to see if there is any difference
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06:36 AM gloops: but it will have to wait now
06:37 AM nubcake: hello
06:37 AM gloops: hello
06:40 AM nubcake: is anyone familiar with the optimum drilling and milling machines? thinking about getting one to fit with steppers/servos for some basic (hobbyist work) but i'm unsure with the differences between the two i found suiting me best..
06:47 AM fragalot: which ones?
06:49 AM nubcake: The BF20L Vario and the MH 20V
06:49 AM nubcake: they seem to be almost the same.. besides the smaller working area on the MH 20V
06:49 AM jthornton: Tom_L: yep I changed it in the gui and it stuck
06:50 AM nubcake: but i'm not sure if i'm missing something important in the comparison
06:50 AM jthornton: what a pia
06:53 AM Tom_L: :)
06:55 AM fragalot: nubcake: well the BF20L does have significantly more reach, and quite a bit more mass to it..
06:56 AM nubcake: fragalot, that's what i thought, i just wasn't sure if there's something else i'm missing
06:57 AM jthornton: LOL the windows key works on Linux Mint
06:57 AM fragalot: nubcake: well the MH20V uses a DC motor rather than an AC motor, which will give it more torque at the low ends.. however the BF20L just has a low gear to compensate for that.
06:57 AM fragalot: jthornton: why wouldn't it?
06:58 AM fragalot: nubcake: never mind just noticed the MH20V also has a gear selection.
06:58 AM gloops: m11 taps arrive, in good time now as it happens
06:58 AM nubcake: fragalot, oh ok, didn't see that, just found out one is 850w 230v 50hz at 1phase, the other one is 750w (looked both like ac to me)
06:59 AM fragalot: nubcake: I mixed them up - sorry i'm not that well today.. the BF20L is the one that has a dc motor
07:01 AM nubcake: fragalot, dc shouldn't bet too bad, is it? or does it have any big disadvantages?
07:02 AM jthornton: fragalot: I don't think it used to work on older OS's
07:02 AM jthornton: I hit it by mistake and the menu popped up lol
07:02 AM jthornton: now if windoze would paste with the middle mouse click...
07:03 AM fragalot: nubcake: nah there is nothing inherently wrong with DC motors.
07:04 AM nubcake: fragalot, thank you, i think i'll get the BF20L then
07:11 AM Tom_L: i wonder how you could use a GUI button to work like a MPG knob so when you pushed the button it would travel in the direction you chose at a speed and feed you enter via MDI
07:12 AM Tom_L: instead of entering a G1 X4 S2500 F20 in the MDI window for example
07:12 AM fragalot: Tom_L: how is that different from the jog buttons in axis?
07:12 AM Tom_L: and it would stop travel when you release the button
07:13 AM Tom_L: what do the jog buttons use for F and S?
07:13 AM Tom_L: i've never used them that much honestly
07:13 AM fragalot: there is a slider to set the feed
07:14 AM Tom_L: ok well there's the first brain fart of the morning
07:18 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9e.jpg
07:18 AM Tom_L: gonna try to make one of those later today
07:20 AM jthornton: cool, what is it?
07:20 AM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P56g9Z6X3U&feature=youtu.be
07:20 AM Tom_L: top secret can opener :)
07:21 AM MarcelineVQ: Are you authorized to open top secret cans?
07:21 AM Tom_L: absolutely not
07:21 AM MarcelineVQ: how scandelous
07:21 AM Tom_L: livin on the edge...
07:22 AM Tom_L: i don't like the extra tool change but it keeps it secure while doing the rest
07:23 AM Tom_L: then the final profile leaves about .002" skin to pop the part out
07:36 AM gregcnc_: in axis you have the jog slider to set jog speed
08:01 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A79gFQ0dCis wayyy overkill
08:04 AM gregcnc_: haha NMB got sucked into that
08:05 AM XXCoder: nmb?
08:05 AM XXCoder: numb? ;)
08:05 AM gregcnc_: bearing manufacturer
08:05 AM XXCoder: oh
08:05 AM XXCoder: theres another video they have massive spinner
08:05 AM XXCoder: lasts what over a hour
08:05 AM XXCoder: competing with other bearing company
08:13 AM sync: they need a TC ring on there
08:15 AM gregcnc_: or tungsten
08:16 AM sync: yeah, W would be better still, or U :)
08:17 AM gregcnc_: U is a little harder to find
08:22 AM fragalot: Hey JT-Shop
08:25 AM JT-Shop: hey
09:22 AM Frank_10: hi
09:23 AM pink_vampire: hi Frank_10
09:24 AM fragalot: hey
09:24 AM Frank_10: for once i dont have any problems
09:24 AM Frank_10: lol
09:24 AM fragalot: that you know of.
09:24 AM Frank_10: haha
09:25 AM Frank_10: thats life
09:25 AM Frank_10: like a car on space
09:25 AM archivist: I was about to ask what have you broken
09:26 AM Frank_10: hehe
09:26 AM fragalot: Frank_10: an electric car on space*
09:26 AM Frank_10: a tesla on space
09:26 AM Frank_10: a roadster
09:26 AM fragalot: what musky hasn't told us, is that they plan to puncture the batteries to gain some more velocity
09:26 AM Frank_10: with elon musk inside
09:27 AM Frank_10: how do you know
09:27 AM hazzy: fragalot: hahaha
09:47 AM dave_: few problems in the gantry world
09:47 AM fragalot: uh oh
09:47 AM dave_ is now known as gloops
09:48 AM gloops: finally got pulleys fixed, now having problems with motors not synched
09:48 AM gloops: which has not happened before
09:48 AM gloops: one side missing steps in one direction only - screws are free
09:49 AM fragalot: bad direction signal wire connection?
09:49 AM gloops: yes possibly, i pulley a connection earlier which stopped the same movement of course, i will double check that
09:50 AM gloops: i just twist it back together, but at a glance seemed ok
09:50 AM gloops: ill type that again lol
09:50 AM fragalot: Please o
09:50 AM fragalot: do
09:51 AM gloops: i pulled a connection out earlier, which stopped direction - the same dir thats having problems, twisted the wire back together and it seemed ok after, still twisted together
09:51 AM fragalot: does anyone here have any tried & true anti-corrosion methods they like using by the way?
09:52 AM fragalot: At the moment I basically use an old animal fat candle, which works, but is labor intensive
09:53 AM fragalot: gloops: poor solder joint on the connector on the PCB?
09:53 AM gloops: ill have a look at that as well, its all been abused really, wires hanging in mid air
09:54 AM fragalot: could also be a trace on the pcb that got boogered then
09:54 AM gloops: but your suggestions are comforting, i was beginning to think it might be linuxcnc syncing proble, it seems to be that dir connection ill trace it back
09:56 AM gloops: and maybe - pulled wire to motor
09:58 AM fragalot: wire to motor should not cause missing steps in only 1 direction.. if that's the case it should miss them in both
10:04 AM gregcnc_: animal fat what?
10:05 AM fragalot: gregcnc_: grease candle
10:06 AM gregcnc_: what are you using it for?
10:06 AM fragalot: rust protection on my plane, bandsaw bed, etc..
10:06 AM fragalot: seems to hold up longer than waxing and glide better
10:06 AM fragalot: it's basically tallow
10:07 AM fragalot: https://images.bmswijndepot.com/20121127111924147_vetkaarsen.jpg_big.jpg
10:07 AM gregcnc_: hmm. no everything seems to rust eventually for me
10:08 AM gregcnc_: been using boeshield and within the last year lanolin spray
10:09 AM fragalot: any success?
10:09 AM fragalot: part of me is curious if cold blueing is a valid option or if that is a horrible idea
10:10 AM gregcnc_: boeshield works but wouldn't be practical for woodworking, it's great as a preservative
10:10 AM gregcnc_: the lanolin I can't say though people seem to love it
10:11 AM fragalot: all the best stuff is animal based, lol
10:15 AM gregcnc_: I want to try parkerizing, but that's not so practical for machine tables
10:16 AM fragalot: MrHindsight: lab results are back - seems to be a viral infection that I'll just have to wait out.
10:16 AM fragalot: gregcnc_: it is if you don't care about the looks of it
10:24 AM gloops: strange matter
10:24 AM gloops: complete reboot seems to have cured it
10:24 AM gloops: computer, psu, vfd on/off
10:24 AM gloops: noise?
10:24 AM fragalot: it's possible that the drive went nuts due to noise
10:24 AM fragalot: yeah
10:24 AM gloops: yes
10:24 AM gloops: not shielded yet
10:25 AM fragalot: shielding is not a luxury :)
10:25 AM gloops: i thought id knackered the motor tapping the pulley on, i knew it wouldnt take much more of that
10:25 AM fragalot: you should be able to feel that in the bearings
10:27 AM archivist: gloops, there is a delay setting dire to step whatever its called may need to be a longer time
10:27 AM fragalot: archivist: that only works if the wires aren't being tugged on
10:27 AM gloops: well it was vibrating/grating in the bad dir when i held it, but seems totally back to normal now
10:27 AM archivist: a delay before stepping after direction change
10:28 AM gloops: steplen/stepgen?
10:29 AM gloops: ill try it again in a bit, but seems ok again, all been powered up all day maybe noise taking effect (hopefully)
10:29 AM archivist: vfd electrical noise can easily mess you about too
10:30 AM gloops: maybe a coincidence i pulled the dir wire out on that earlier
10:30 AM fragalot: you generally shouldn't be pulling those signal wires out under power anyway, technically speaking
10:30 AM roycroft: i haven't experienced that yet in my limited testing of my router table spindle, but i got some shielded power cable for the spindle, and am trying to route the control lines as far away from the power lines as possible
10:31 AM fragalot: roycroft: That is indeed the way to do it. Also try to keep the wires as close to grounded metal surfaces as possible.
10:31 AM gloops: vfd yeah pwm and also home switches with 5v signal - wires all hanging together
10:31 AM roycroft: there aren't many surfaces in this thing
10:31 AM roycroft: many metal surfaces
10:32 AM roycroft: i haven't yet figured out how to ground the spindle itself, although the cable i got does have a ground wire for that purpose
10:32 AM gloops: hopefully a coincidence, just the sort you get when you solve one problem then something else thwacks you straight away
10:32 AM roycroft: my plan is to ground the spindle to the vfd (which is tied to mains ground)
10:32 AM roycroft: the shielding around the power cable i'll let float at the spindle end and tie it to ground at the vfd
10:33 AM fragalot: ideally you'd ground it at both ends
10:33 AM fragalot: you're trying to keep a bad signal in, not protect against a bad foreign signal
10:33 AM roycroft: for shielding i've been taught to only ground at one end
10:34 AM gloops: i was going to leave the shielding while last, had everything wire with unshielded, when its all working and i know the right lengths for each wire etc, i was going to do a straight swap for all shielded
10:34 AM roycroft: that's only for preventing intrusive interference?
10:34 AM pink_vampire: how do i convert settings from steel to brass?
10:34 AM roycroft: i'll be installing this cable in a day or two, so i guess right now is a good time to bring it up :)
10:35 AM pink_vampire: those settings works amazing on steel https://i.imgur.com/ZLtBAjA.jpg
10:35 AM pink_vampire: the spindle speed is static
10:35 AM pink_vampire: so i can change only the feed rate
10:36 AM roycroft: hopefully you can change your tooling as well
10:36 AM gloops: i hate having to leave off it knowing theres a question mark over something
10:36 AM archivist: brass is quite different
10:36 AM fragalot: roycroft: I guess it depends a bit on the installation, when we did RF tests for our equiptment that uses a high voltage, high current PWM signal, shielding is connected to GND on one end, and the shielding braids are connected to the components we're driving too..
10:36 AM pink_vampire: i know
10:36 AM pink_vampire: it's machinable brass
10:37 AM fragalot: roycroft: and for analog signals, we ground at ONE END only.
10:37 AM roycroft: my initial testing without any shielding did not demonstrate any problems
10:37 AM roycroft: a variable frequency ac current would be analog
10:37 AM roycroft: ad that's what i'm shielding
10:37 AM roycroft: and
10:37 AM fragalot: no
10:38 AM fragalot: the VFD's signal is a harsh, noisy PWM modulated signal
10:38 AM roycroft: hmm
10:38 AM fragalot: it's not a sensitive pure analog signal like a 4-20mA signal would be
10:38 AM roycroft: i should plug it into a 'scope and look at it
10:38 AM roycroft: i am curious
10:39 AM archivist: a scope may be killed
10:39 AM archivist: use a high voltage probe if you have one
10:39 AM roycroft: if i plug it directly in
10:39 AM roycroft: yes
10:40 AM fragalot: roycroft: make a little antenna & wave it around with your scope, then test no shield, shield & shield connected on both ends
10:40 AM fragalot: it's not a true EMC certified way of doing it, but it does give a rough idea :-)
10:41 AM roycroft: i have a nice vintage tektronix 465
10:41 AM roycroft: i would not want to blow it up
10:42 AM archivist: anteeeeeque
10:42 AM roycroft: the antenna idea is brilliant
10:42 AM roycroft: and it still works great
10:42 AM fragalot: roycroft: bonus points if you can figure out the base frequency of the VFD :-)
10:42 AM archivist: I have something similar :) a 475
10:42 AM roycroft: i even have a tektronix roll-around cart on whic hit is mounted
10:43 AM roycroft: that might be what i have, archivist
10:44 AM roycroft: i'm too old to remember model numbers accurately
10:44 AM roycroft: but looking at pics on the internet i think mine is more likely a 475
10:44 AM roycroft: now i'll have to go verify when i get home
10:46 AM Rab: Those things are great. More maintainable than the 7000-series mainframes which succeeded them, IMO.
10:47 AM roycroft: there were a lot of them made
10:47 AM roycroft: and a whole lot of them are still in service
10:47 AM fragalot: I have to be honest and say that ever since stepping over to digital scopes, I have not looked back at analog ones
10:47 AM roycroft: 100MHz 'scopes are still quite useful for many things
10:47 AM archivist: I find the switches get dirty in 7000 as well as the 475 etc
10:47 AM fragalot: mostly because most of what I do requires one-shot triggering
10:48 AM roycroft: i don't need one often
10:48 AM roycroft: but it does come in handy at times
10:48 AM fragalot: they sure do
10:48 AM roycroft: instead of speculating, inspect!
10:48 AM fragalot: Amen.
10:49 AM roycroft: i have the cooling system complete on my router table
10:49 AM Rab: fragalot, yeah, digital whips analog storage in every respect. But I'm confounded by the latency in digital scopes; nothing beats analog for getting a quick "feel" for certain types of signals.
10:50 AM roycroft: i worked out how to complete the dust collection system yesterday, and should complete that tonight
10:50 AM fragalot: Rab: the latency depends very much on what scope you use
10:50 AM archivist: but sometimes you need to look at the on off switch not the scope!
10:50 AM roycroft: electrics is the next step
10:52 AM roycroft: i was able to modify an abs drain fitting with tooling that does not exist yesterday
10:52 AM roycroft: that was fun
10:53 AM roycroft: i went to home depot to pick up a rotary rasp to do that
10:53 AM fragalot: pics? :P
10:53 AM roycroft: i could not find them
10:53 AM roycroft: a helpful employee in the tool department asked me what i needed
10:53 AM roycroft: i told him a rotary rasp
10:53 AM roycroft: i looked in the dremel section and the drill section and did not find them
10:53 AM ziper: roycroft, harbor freight?
10:54 AM roycroft: i was informed by the employee that home depot do not carry anything like that
10:54 AM fragalot: roycroft: should have asked for a burr instead. -- also, Foredom sells some INSANELY GOOD ones under their Typhoon label for non ferrous materials
10:54 AM fragalot: read: wood
10:54 AM roycroft: i replied that they're on the website, and that the website showed two of each in stock at the store i was at
10:54 AM fragalot: lol
10:55 AM roycroft: the employee responded that he has been working there for 15 years, and that the store has *never* carried anything like that
10:55 AM roycroft: and asked me if i believed a web page or an employee with ihs experience
10:55 AM fragalot: web page.
10:55 AM roycroft: then i found them by the sanding discs
10:55 AM fragalot: did you show him?
10:55 AM roycroft: no
10:55 AM roycroft: i was kind :)
10:56 AM gregcnc_: if you see it on the website it tells you where in the store to find them
10:56 AM archivist: its fun rubbing it in
10:56 AM fragalot: it's not to rub it in
10:56 AM fragalot: it's to show him where they are for the next customer
10:56 AM roycroft: i'm learning in my old age to sometimes just walk away from rants instead of further escalating things
10:56 AM fragalot: I'm stubborn in that respect, sadly
10:56 AM roycroft: yes, except in this case it was obvious that the employee did not want to learn
10:56 AM gregcnc_: more than likely he's never heard it called rotary rasp
10:57 AM fragalot: what gregcnc_ said
10:57 AM roycroft: yeah
10:57 AM fragalot: "oh you meant a burr"
10:57 AM roycroft: even though it says "rotary rasp" right on the package
10:57 AM Rab: I use the app, it directs me straight to the appropriate aisle and bay of the store I'm in. It doesn't help if the product exists in inventory, but isn't present on the shelf.
10:57 AM gregcnc_: burr would have worked
10:57 AM archivist: rotary file is the other name
10:57 AM fragalot: roycroft: the package is wrong
10:57 AM roycroft: i didn't want anything too sharp
10:57 AM fragalot: :P
10:57 AM fragalot: roycroft: so you put your mind to it?
10:57 AM roycroft: since i was holding the part by hand and had the tooling in a drill press
10:57 AM roycroft: i have some cabide burrs
10:58 AM roycroft: but i thought they might be too grabby
10:58 AM roycroft: and make for a pretty unsafe operation
10:58 AM fragalot: yeah they are if the RPM is not high enough
10:58 AM gregcnc_: you can't be sure until you try and injure yourself
10:58 AM roycroft: that's the other thing about this
10:58 AM roycroft: the rotary rasp admonished the user not to exceed the rated rpm of the tooling
10:58 AM roycroft: but NOWHERE on the packaging was the maximum rpm stipulated
10:58 AM fragalot: that's one thing I like about my Foredom; excellent control
10:59 AM fragalot: downside is that I can't find any bloody accessories for it here so I have to import them from the US
10:59 AM roycroft: i ran it at 1450 rpm
10:59 AM fragalot: ahah
10:59 AM roycroft: and that turned out to be the perfect speed
10:59 AM roycroft: this was a 2" 45 degree elbow
10:59 AM roycroft: i needed to enlarge the opening on one end a bit
11:00 AM sync: yeah with most handheld rotary tooling you want to run it flat out
11:00 AM roycroft: i have a foredom flex shaft tool
11:00 AM roycroft: after burning up countless dremels i finally bit the bullet and got a proper tool
11:01 AM roycroft: and it works brilliantly
11:01 AM fragalot: they're great aren't they
11:01 AM roycroft: i got the tx motor
11:01 AM roycroft: it runs at 1/2 the speed of the standard motors
11:01 AM roycroft: yes, i love it
11:01 AM roycroft: there is a speed doubling handpiece available
11:01 AM sync: hm, only 18000rpm
11:01 AM sync: that is not a lot
11:01 AM roycroft: so i can run the tx as though it were the standard (sx? sr?) one
11:01 AM roycroft: but so far the slower speed has been fine
11:02 AM fragalot: sync: it's plenty for most tasks
11:02 AM roycroft: i do a lot of polishing with it
11:02 AM roycroft: and i don't want super high speeds for that, generally
11:02 AM fragalot: roycroft: I thoguht the TX went to 15k, LX is their low speed version
11:02 AM roycroft: polish plastic at high speed and you melt it
11:03 AM roycroft: maybe it's an lx
11:03 AM fragalot: I have a 240V SR - beefy enough for my needs
11:03 AM sync: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51gcCuNKL5L._SY355_.jpg this thing is great
11:03 AM roycroft: as i said, i can't remember model numbers any more
11:04 AM sync: 4kW shaft power and 15krpm
11:04 AM fragalot: 4kW?
11:04 AM sync: yes
11:04 AM fragalot: what the HELL are you doing that requires 4kW at that RPm
11:04 AM roycroft: no, it's faster than 5k
11:04 AM fragalot: roycroft: must be a 15k rpm TX then. more torque than the SR but /slightly/ slower
11:04 AM sync: it is designed for people that dress castings
11:04 AM roycroft: yes, tx it is
11:05 AM roycroft: i did remember correctly
11:05 AM roycroft: right
11:05 AM roycroft: more powerful than the sr
11:05 AM roycroft: and a bit slower
11:05 AM fragalot: sync: can a person even hold on to a 4kW spindle at full load?
11:05 AM gloops: no, the racking problem persists..sht
11:06 AM roycroft: i remember when i bought it i spent a long time pondering what would work best for me
11:06 AM sync: yes fragalot
11:06 AM roycroft: and looking over their motors again, i made the right choice
11:06 AM roycroft: it's the "just right" middle of the line one :)
11:06 AM fragalot: I bought the only model they had in the shop, along with all the handpieces they had in the shop
11:06 AM roycroft: increased power, slight speed loss
11:06 AM roycroft: but not super slow
11:06 AM roycroft: and as i said, i can get a 2x handpiece if i need more speed
11:06 AM fragalot: yeah the TX is really nice
11:07 AM roycroft: i have the foot pedal speed controller for it
11:07 AM roycroft: that's really nice
11:07 AM fragalot: it is
11:07 AM roycroft: i can pull up a stool, sit down, and use both hands for the work
11:07 AM fragalot: mine's ready for use at my workbench hanging off of the hydraulic press
11:07 AM fragalot: I use it more often than I'm willing to admit
11:07 AM roycroft: dremel can go suck an egg
11:08 AM fragalot: I do still use a dremel
11:08 AM roycroft: the foredom is several orders of magnitude better
11:08 AM fragalot: in a little mount to drill PCB's
11:08 AM roycroft: the *only* advantage a dremel has is that one can get a battery version and carry it around
11:08 AM fragalot: the battery version is quite crappy though
11:08 AM roycroft: they're all crappy, imo :)
11:09 AM gloops: i wonder if i did knacker the drivers when changing dipswitches
11:09 AM fragalot: extra crappy.
11:09 AM fragalot: gloops: did you change those under power?
11:09 AM roycroft: if i really needed a small corded rotary tool without the flex shaft i'd get a proxxon
11:09 AM fragalot: i have mixed feelings for proxxon
11:09 AM gloops: fragalot yes
11:09 AM roycroft: they're overpriced
11:09 AM roycroft: but they're better than dremel
11:09 AM Rab: Dremel is a bad brand in general. The Proxxon tools are much better (in the self-contained mototool niche).
11:09 AM fragalot: roycroft: still not great though
11:10 AM fragalot: proxxon is alright at best
11:10 AM roycroft: right
11:10 AM roycroft: foredom is great :)
11:10 AM roycroft: and
11:10 AM fragalot: nothing but love for foredom from me :P
11:10 AM fragalot: it even still has that hefty oldschool feel to the new ones
11:10 AM roycroft: i have mine mounted on a little roll-around cart that i use for storing jewelery making supplies/materials
11:10 AM roycroft: the cart is really small
11:10 AM roycroft: so it's easy to roll it over to the work
11:11 AM fragalot: my hydraulic press is mobile, and it's hanging off of that
11:11 AM Rab: I built a PCB drill press with a tiny Proxxon tool. I've used down to 0.25mm carbide drills; I've learned not to use any carbide PCB drills in Dremel tools. http://reboots.g-cipher.net/pcbdrill/index.html
11:12 AM roycroft: typical dremel runout is greater than the diameter of that drill :)
11:12 AM Rab: Also, re-reading that page, I'm reminded that the Dremel aluminum collets are deal-killers.
11:12 AM fragalot: roycroft: it's not runout, it's intentional and helps the drill bit self-align with the centre punch divot.
11:13 AM fragalot: Rab: Dremel does make some OK mini chucks.. I've got mine mounted on a little shaft with the weirdest concoction of metric and imperial threads on it for use in my drill press
11:14 AM roycroft: my experience is that dremels are ok, sort of, for a while, when doing pecking/plunge cutting
11:14 AM roycroft: i.e. axial loads
11:14 AM fragalot: 7mm x 40tpi if I remember correctly
11:14 AM Rab: fragalot, the mini chucks are cute, but still not good for runout.
11:14 AM roycroft: but they fail quickly with even a moderate radial load
11:14 AM fragalot: Rab: no, but neither is my drill press
11:15 AM fragalot: I have not found any decent (affordable) mini chucks
11:15 AM roycroft: i need to get a new handpiece for my foredom tool
11:15 AM fragalot: albrecht makes some nice ones, but those are outside my budget range
11:15 AM roycroft: i have a nice little router base for microrouting, but it is designed to hold a dremel tool
11:15 AM fragalot: roycroft: I really want their peening attachment, but my local dealer is seemingly refusing to import it for me
11:16 AM roycroft: stemac make a foredom handpiece with dremel threads
11:16 AM roycroft: http://www.stewmac.com/Luthier_Tools/Types_of_Tools/Routers_and_Bits/Precision_Router_Base.html
11:16 AM roycroft: that's the router base i have
11:17 AM fragalot: cute
11:17 AM roycroft: http://www.stewmac.com/Luthier_Tools/Types_of_Tools/Routers_and_Bits/Routers/Foredom_Power_Tools/Foredom_Handpiece.html
11:17 AM fragalot: bore out the threads & put in a set screw :P
11:17 AM roycroft: and they make that handpiece for it
11:17 AM roycroft: they recently came out with a plunge router bae
11:17 AM roycroft: base
11:18 AM roycroft: http://www.stewmac.com/Luthier_Tools/Types_of_Tools/Routers_and_Bits/StewMac_Plunge_Router_Base.html
11:18 AM roycroft: my use will be for doing inlay in wood pieces
11:18 AM roycroft: i'm not sure i need the plunge base
11:18 AM roycroft: my thinking is that if i get that handpiece i can just leave it installed in the router base all the time
11:19 AM Rab: The smaller sizes of used precision chucks aren't as desirable as their larger counterparts, and seem to go for pretty cheap on eBay.
11:19 AM roycroft: i could modify the router base but i'm not sure i want to mount/unmount the handpiece every time i use it
11:19 AM roycroft: and the handpiece i have has a drill chuck, not a collet chuck
11:19 AM roycroft: i would prefer using a collet chuck in the router
11:20 AM fragalot: roycroft: i'd probably modify the router base to have a clamping style holder for the handpiece with a knurled knob on it
11:20 AM Rab: I found a box of vintage 1/4" Jacobs chucks at a flea market. Some looked brand new, there were even original Jacobs rebuilding kits in boxes...I just didn't have a use for a 1/4" chuck.
11:21 AM jthornton: well lunch minute is over and it was eggciting
11:23 AM Rab: And "sensitive" drill presses seem to go for cheap at auction, undervalued by people who think they're just uselessly tiny drill presses.
11:23 AM fragalot: Rab: not found many (or any) anywhere around me
11:24 AM roycroft: drill chucks hold best in the middle of their travel range
11:24 AM Rab: fragalot, are you in the UK?
11:24 AM roycroft: if you're going to be drilling holes in the vicinity of 1/8" a lot a 1/4" chuck would be useful for that
11:24 AM fragalot: Rab: close, belgium
11:24 AM Rab: fragalot, ahh
11:25 AM * roycroft needs to track down some rebuild kits for a couple old jacobs chucks he has
11:38 AM gloops: right , need a test plan, dodgy motor diagnostics
11:39 AM fragalot: gloops: do you have an MPG?
11:39 AM fragalot: gloops: or could you just swap the drives?
11:39 AM gloops: no
11:40 AM fragalot: see if the problem moves with the drive
11:40 AM gloops: what i could do - change y motor with one that is acting up, same with driver, y seems as was
11:41 AM gloops: change motor or driver, test, if not change other
11:41 AM fragalot: yup
11:42 AM archivist: gloops also dont worry about motors warming up, keep enabled at sufficient current
11:42 AM gloops: yes ill cancel that half current switch
11:45 AM fragalot: gloops: and stop flicking switches under power :P
11:45 AM gloops: frustrating when one problem is finally solved, straight to another, ive probably battered the motor to death haha after all that messing with the pulleys
11:45 AM gloops: or killed the drivers with dipswitch changes yeah
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:08 PM HighInBC: hi
12:08 PM fragalot: hi
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: oh gloops starts to frustrade
12:09 PM pink_vampire: what is the SFM for phenolic laminated?
12:12 PM gloops: yes Ichs, time is passing, nothing is running
12:13 PM pink_vampire: gloops: same here
12:14 PM fragalot: pink_vampire: similar to bronze, I believe
12:15 PM pink_vampire: i think it is softer like wood
12:15 PM fragalot: pink_vampire: it is soft, however it is typically also embedded with glass
12:15 PM fragalot: go too fast, and it tears
12:15 PM fragalot: go too slow, and it burns
12:16 PM pink_vampire: the one i'm using is fabric
12:16 PM pink_vampire: and my spindle is limited to 1000 rpm
12:16 PM fragalot: give it all she's got then :P
12:17 PM IchGucksLive: whow 12000 hits today on Blender
12:17 PM fragalot: I'd estimate it around 800SFM with carbide?
12:17 PM gloops: just run the gantry up and down 10 times at 2m/min - no problem, any faster starts missing, maybe that is its limit, in which case ill do away with the pulleys
12:17 PM gloops: started with Blender now Ichs?
12:17 PM IchGucksLive: lcnc shoudt run gbrl
12:17 PM fragalot: gloops: is the power supply still keeping up at the high loads?
12:17 PM IchGucksLive: gloops: maybe im in since 2.49a
12:18 PM pink_vampire: with 800SFM and 1/8" 4F endmill what is the chipload?
12:18 PM gloops: fragalot how would i test that?
12:18 PM fragalot: gloops: measure the voltage on the power supply when not loaded, and measure it under maximum load
12:18 PM fragalot: see if the voltage drops a lot
12:18 PM gloops: across the terminals on the psu?
12:19 PM fragalot: pink_vampire: depends on how fast your table moves?
12:19 PM pink_vampire: what do you mean?
12:20 PM fragalot: pink_vampire: if I understand US units correctly, SFM is how fast the tool is moving into the material, eg. RPM & tool circumference; chip load however is how far you move per full rotation / flutes
12:21 PM fragalot: or am I wrong?
12:21 PM pink_vampire: i have no idea
12:21 PM pink_vampire: i cut the materials just by feeling the machine
12:22 PM fragalot: a 1/8" has a circumference of 0,0314ft, with that size tool, you would need around 25.5k rpm to get 800SFM
12:23 PM fragalot: with a 1k rpm spindle, you're only going to get 31SFM
12:23 PM IchGucksLive: surfaceFeedMinutres
12:24 PM pink_vampire: and what will be the chipload for 25.5 rpm?
12:24 PM fragalot: pink_vampire: anyway, to answer you rquestion, with phenolic, you want a chip load of approximately 4thou per tooth,.. according to this. https://www.vortextool.com/images/chipLoadChart.pdf
12:25 PM pink_vampire: mmmmm
12:25 PM pink_vampire: so about 200mm/min with 1000rpm
12:26 PM fragalot: I don't have a calculator handy, but the formula's in that PDF :-)
12:27 PM pink_vampire: it looks ok
12:27 PM pink_vampire: hope it will work :)
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: pink_vampire: GFK
12:27 PM pink_vampire: ???
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: the material
12:28 PM gloops: the conclusion may be - these steppers/screws could be faster coupled direct than geared up
12:28 PM fragalot: I'm coming up with 400mm/min.. (0.004" * 1000 rpm * 4 flutes) * 25.4
12:28 PM pink_vampire: i have no idea what do you mean
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: im off discussion ENG redoff
12:29 PM pink_vampire: fragalot: correct
12:30 PM Jymmm: giacus: Sorta kinda alive, semi-zombie state
12:31 PM fragalot: my neck & back are killing me >.<
12:32 PM Jymmm: fragalot: Dial 911 or 999
12:32 PM fragalot: Jymmm: neither numbers work here. also I already went to the doc this morning
12:33 PM Jymmm: fragalot: hot bath?
12:33 PM fragalot: EKG was fine, blood tests have shown signs of a viral infection; so the current hyphothesis is that there's a muscle infection around my chest & back
12:33 PM fragalot: hot bath is great until I have to get up again, lol
12:34 PM Jymmm: fragalot: I have never heard of a virual causing irritation to muscle before, I have of a flu thugh
12:34 PM Jymmm: fragalot: dont get up? lol
12:34 PM fragalot: Exactly what i'm doing right now. sit down in the sofa & avoid getting up :D
12:34 PM Jymmm: fragalot: ekg for muscle issues???
12:35 PM fragalot: Jymmm: EKG because complaints of being short of breath (due to pain), chest pain, and a headache when getting up or lying down.
12:35 PM Jymmm: muscle/soft tissue issues
12:35 PM Jymmm: ah, ok
12:35 PM Jymmm: fragalot: did they give you antibiotics?
12:35 PM fragalot: this started about 20 or so hours ago
12:35 PM fragalot: no.
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: if the Hart beats you can move on next g-code line
12:36 PM fragalot: antibiotics are for bacterial infections, not viral
12:36 PM Jymmm: fragalot: Gotcha.
12:36 PM Jymmm: fragalot: whats for bacterial?
12:36 PM fragalot: Jymmm: antibiotics - they only work against bacterial infections.
12:37 PM fragalot: they do nothing against virusses
12:37 PM Jymmm: fragalot: dorry, I meant virual
12:37 PM Jymmm: sorry*
12:37 PM fragalot: vaccines, and time.
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: tomorrow Carnical Starts
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: arouind the world
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: <-needs to get some sleep
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: Brasil -> http://g1.globo.com/carnaval/2018/
12:39 PM Jymmm: fragalot: Did they say if you are contagious?
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: Servus Louis_Cypher
12:39 PM fragalot: Jymmm: no, but it's unlikely that I am.
12:40 PM Jymmm: fragalot: FWIW... https://www.onhealth.com/content/1/viral_infections
12:40 PM Jymmm: ve7it: Lawrence!!!
12:40 PM ve7it: Jymmm, !
12:41 PM ve7it: what hanging in the lower 48?
12:41 PM Louis_Cypher: Hi everybody
12:41 PM Jymmm: ve7it: Other than getting my 2m/70cm antenna literally rippeed on the roof of the car, nuttin much =)
12:41 PM fragalot: Jymmm: Meh. all I need to do is take painkillers & wait it out for now.
12:42 PM Jymmm: fragalot: Where you at on the planet?
12:42 PM fragalot: Jymmm: belgium
12:42 PM ve7it: Jymmm, building a 5/8 6M antenna.... out of old pieces from a triband beam
12:43 PM Jymmm: fragalot: ah, ok, nm what I was thinking, only in AU/NZ
12:43 PM Jymmm: ve7it: Nice, what ae you using to measure/tune it with?
12:43 PM fragalot: Jymmm: what were you thikning then?
12:44 PM Jymmm: fragalot: Equiv to morphine, but non opiod
12:44 PM ve7it: Jymmm, I built a vector network anaylzer that tunes 0-60MHz.... should do the trick
12:44 PM fragalot: Jymmm: well considering that I'm not in pain or discomfort as long as I don't get up, I'm not really in need of such a drug
12:45 PM fragalot: so basic afebryl works fine.
12:45 PM ve7it: Jymmm, http://www.hamuniverse.com/6metervertical.html
12:45 PM Jymmm: ve7it: Nice, I'd love one of those graphing antenna analyzers, but I want 0-500MHz and under $200 USD =)
12:47 PM ve7it: Jymmm, chineese units are close to that target... https://www.banggood.com/N1201SA-UV-RF-Vector-Impedance-ANT-SWR-Antenna-Analyzer-Meter-Tester-140MHz-2_7GHz-p-1090983.html?rmmds=mywishlist&cur_warehouse=CN
12:47 PM ve7it: I would like one of those... for making wifi antennas
12:48 PM Jymmm: ve7it: Starts at 160, I would need two (I knew this, just hopeful dreamng) HF one and a VHF+ one
12:49 PM Jymmm: ve7it: I dont even have a swr meter =)
12:49 PM Jymmm: Ok, I lied, I do have a HF swr meter built into the MFJ antenna tuner, but not the same
12:49 PM ve7it: Jymmm, get that arduino out and build a fancy looking swr meter
12:49 PM fragalot: Jymmm: train your tongue to pick up the signal from the antenna
12:50 PM Jymmm: fragalot: My name is Jim, not gene simmons ;)
12:50 PM fragalot: :P
12:50 PM ve7it: fragalot, tongue is tuned to detect different vibrations!
12:50 PM Jymmm: ve7it: you have a circuit for the band traps that's proven?
12:50 PM Jymmm: not band traps, but you know what I mean
12:51 PM ve7it: Jymmm, band traps? or the base loading coil on the 6M design?
12:51 PM Jymmm: ve7it: The thing that taps into the spot between the rig and antenna
12:52 PM Jymmm: ve7it: to read fwd/rev
12:52 PM ve7it: ah... well with the analyzer, adjust coils turns for resonance then adjust tap point for min swr... done
12:53 PM Jymmm: ve7it: HAHA, oh yeah, super easy to adj coils.... NOT! =)
12:54 PM Jymmm: ve7it: https://hackaday.com/2015/08/06/40-antenna-analyzer-with-arduino-and-ad9850/
12:54 PM ve7it: Jymmm, it can take a couple of tries.... trick is to build the coil too big and then slowly tap down until the # turns is good
12:55 PM Jymmm: ve7it: Oh TAP, I thought you meant soace out the turns for tuning purposes =)
12:55 PM Jymmm: space*
12:55 PM Jymmm: Bah, that one is HF =(
12:55 PM hazzy: ve7it: I opened up my el-cheapo SWR meter last night, and it is dead simple, only two diodes and two resistors, is that right? Wondering if the Chinese are trying to pull a fast one on me ...
12:56 PM ve7it: Jymmm, thats all it takes and a couple of wires/circuit traces along the tranmission line
12:57 PM ve7it: hazzy, sorry that comment was for you
12:57 PM hazzy: I realized! Thanks
12:57 PM Jymmm: ve7it: Nicer, but HF... http://dc2wk.schwab-intra.net/?page_id=1072
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
01:00 PM ve7it: Jymmm, looks very nice... might have to add that project to the list!.. with arduino and a graphic display so cheap, it would be a cool project
01:02 PM Jymmm: ve7it: Yeah, just need a V/UHF bridge/DDS
01:03 PM Jymmm: ve7it: What I was thinking is the "brain" isn't a big deal, just add brisges in a modular fashion for each band, and add as many as you might need
01:03 PM ve7it: problem is that the vhf/uhf dds chips tend to put out square waves and one would need to filter the output with several LP filters
01:04 PM ve7it: not that big a deal if one just wants to cover the ham bands
01:04 PM Jymmm: ve7it: I thought that did sinewave too?
01:04 PM ve7it: like 2M/440
01:05 PM Jymmm: ve7it: Now, for 2/440, what if we used one of those beofung modules for the signal?
01:05 PM ve7it: low freq ones synthesize a sine wave
01:05 PM Jymmm: ve7it: the module board is available cheap
01:06 PM Jymmm: more features than needed, but who cares
01:06 PM ve7it: not sure I have seen those
01:06 PM Jymmm: let me see if I cna find one...
01:08 PM Jymmm: ve7it: Not the one I was looking for, but this is 2m only variant... https://www.ebay.com/itm/144MHz-145MHz-146MHz-154MHz-174MHz-VHF-HAM-Radio-Module-Amateur-Radio-DRA818V-/191210888951
01:08 PM gloops: the bottom line is, i made the machine too good for the chinese kit running it
01:09 PM fragalot: gloops: that's one way to put it, lol
01:09 PM Jymmm: ve7it: https://hamgear.wordpress.com/2015/02/03/make-your-own-transceiver-with-a-dorji-dra818u-or-dra818v/
01:11 PM gloops: no, time for a reality check, its gonna have to slow right down, 100ipm, not 200, which is about right for the longs kit, and what everyone else gets
01:13 PM Jymmm: ve7it: Basically, there ae modules that use the same chips the baofeng radios use... https://sites.google.com/site/darathursdaynite/6-meeting-archive/2014-12-11-hacking-baofeng-rf-module
01:15 PM ve7it: cute... got to run.... dog wants a walk!
01:54 PM miss0r: good evening people
01:55 PM fragalot: evening miss0r
01:55 PM miss0r: I finished installing the linear axis today
01:55 PM miss0r: Almost done routing the cables with the drag chains
01:55 PM fragalot: did it go smoothly?
01:55 PM miss0r: Will complete the task monday.
01:56 PM miss0r: Yeah. I managed to get the linear scale parallel to the axis within 0.005mm over the entire distance
01:56 PM fragalot: Awesome
01:57 PM miss0r: Probably waaay to acurate, but I got lucky in a hurrt
01:57 PM miss0r: hurry*
01:57 PM fragalot: There is no such thing as "too accurate" in my book; especially if it doesn't take additional time.
01:58 PM miss0r: Indeed. But I would have settled for 0.01-2mm over that distance
02:01 PM miss0r: Yet another evening where I'm not going to get anything done on the EDM... But You gotta pay the bills ;)
02:01 PM gloops: something is niggling me here, probably unfounded, but consider, Y axis, 1 motor (same motor) same screw same gearing 5000mm/min, X axis 2 motors same screw same gearing 2500mm/mm < how is linuxcnc splitting the signals for these 2 motors, seems funny its half the power for 2 motors
02:01 PM fragalot: miss0r: :-)
02:02 PM fragalot: still more productive than I'll be this week
02:02 PM miss0r: gloops: That sounds odd
02:02 PM gloops: there is double the weight because the X motors are pushing the gantry, but should also be double the power
02:03 PM miss0r: And as much as I would love to stick around and ponder with you, I have a wife waiting with a late dinner for me ;)
02:03 PM fragalot: enjoy!
02:03 PM miss0r: See you
02:03 PM gloops: yes have a good one
02:05 PM * gloops is missing something
02:08 PM gloops: before i do anything i will check the voltage coming from the psu, and compare x motors and y motor
02:13 PM Tom_L: life is simpler with one motor per axis
02:14 PM gloops: definitely Tom, but some kind of compromise has to take place with a wider gantry
02:15 PM Tom_L: yeah
02:15 PM gloops: in theory 2 motors should work as well as 1 motor with driveshaft
02:22 PM gloops: if you want the accuracy of ballscrews, 2 screws - 1 motor, you need an elaborate drive belt system to connect them all, which kinda defeats the point of ballscrews because you are going to lose some accuracy there
02:23 PM gloops: 2 screws 2 motors - both sides should be indexed the same as a mechanical connection, by steps
02:24 PM gloops: which they are on mine, perfectly - just strange that only half the power seems to be being delivered
02:24 PM gloops: ot attained
02:24 PM fragalot: linuxcnc has nothing to do with how much power is being delivered
02:24 PM fragalot: that is up to the drives and power supplies
02:25 PM Tom_L: separate driver for each stepper i assume
02:25 PM gloops: ok, in laymen of laymens terms, linuxcnc sends the signal - 100 steps > that way
02:26 PM gloops: what do the drivers do?
02:26 PM Tom_L: suck power from the power supply when needed
02:27 PM Tom_L: in an orderly fasion of course
02:27 PM fragalot: gloops: the drivers convert those steps to microsteps, as configured, and ensure that the right coil of the stepper is energized at the right time
02:27 PM fragalot: all linuxcnc says is what to do, when. how much power is needed to do that, is up to the drive
02:28 PM gloops: with 2 motors, linuxcnc sends the same signal to both, each motor with its own driver, it cant be sharing the power from the psu
02:28 PM gloops: but you can see my point - seems strange 2 are only doing 50% of what the 1 on Y is doing
02:29 PM fragalot: are the drives sharing the step & dir signal, or are they separate?
02:30 PM fragalot: and what are you using to generate the signal, partport, mesa, ?
02:31 PM gloops: each motor has its own driver, linuxcnc is duplicating the signal for both, using parport
02:31 PM pcw_mesa: and what actual issue to you have? stalling?
02:31 PM fragalot: gloops: so each drive has it's own separate pin on linuxcnc?
02:31 PM fragalot: evening, pcw_mesa :)
02:32 PM gloops: pcw yes motor stalling - 2 joint setup on linuxcnc 2.8
02:32 PM gloops: fragalot yes they all have seperate pins
02:32 PM fragalot: ok so separate pins.. I was just wondering if the parport may have had issues with rise time of the signal; but if they're separate that's out
02:32 PM pcw_mesa: could be resonance/accel related
02:33 PM pcw_mesa: does X have longer ballscrews?
02:33 PM gloops: one thing i didnt check was the frequency of the signals - in stepconfig when i made the basic config, i left it at default 5000
02:33 PM gloops: pcw yes
02:35 PM gloops: what are the symptoms of ballscrew res - there is no prior sign before motors miss steps, no rattle, or shaking i can see
02:36 PM gloops: another thing, on the Y axis, i can hardly stall the motor by pushing on the moving z axis
02:36 PM gloops: the X is pretty easy to stop - there should be 6Nm there
02:37 PM gregcnc: measure motor current?
02:37 PM gloops: gregcnc checking from the terminals on the psu?
02:37 PM gregcnc: between drive and motor
02:38 PM gloops: see, im like a blind man trying to draw a rainbow lol
02:38 PM fragalot: gregcnc: I don't know if gloops would be able to measure that accurately when the drive is active
02:39 PM fragalot: measuring the voltage on the power supplies during operation would be easier as a first step.. if the voltage collapses, there's a high chance of the current doing so too, as it indicates the PSU can't keep up
02:39 PM gregcnc: I assumed voltage would have already bee checked, my bad
02:40 PM gloops: it could be total coincidence, maybe the gantry is way too heavy for those 2 motors, it just sticks in the mind that precisely half the performance is occuring on the 2 motor axis
02:41 PM fragalot: too heavy would be a matter of acceleration
02:41 PM gregcnc: mass of gantry + some maths = answers
02:41 PM gloops: sorry yes, i will do the voltage tests, swap motors, drivers etc before reporting back, but was just pondering this while the garage is off limits
02:41 PM pcw_mesa: if the motors have 1/2 the static torque that's most likely a drive setup issue
02:42 PM gloops: the holding torque - like when the motors are stood, seems fine, turn them, theyre holding hard
02:42 PM gregcnc: 6Nm hard?
02:42 PM pcw_mesa: if its only a problem when moving fast, it could be many more things
02:42 PM gloops: as hard as the Y which is doing twice as fast
02:42 PM pcw_mesa: torque wrench?
02:43 PM gloops: hmm, yeah possible i suppose
02:43 PM pcw_mesa: vice grips and weight on a string?
02:43 PM gregcnc: check the current settings, then measure current
02:44 PM gloops: i will check everything with multimeter and look for variations between motors
02:44 PM pcw_mesa: can you go faster by reducing the acceleration?
02:44 PM gloops: yes
02:45 PM gloops: but you can always do that with steppers
02:45 PM pcw_mesa: well yes and you need to always make that tradeoff
02:45 PM gloops: would signal frequency cause a motor to stall?
02:46 PM pcw_mesa: depends on the drive/motor and power supply voltage
02:46 PM pcw_mesa: ( these determine the torque curve )
02:49 PM pcw_mesa: as someone else suggested: measure the power supply voltage when moving fast
02:49 PM pcw_mesa: the step drive power will have more load when moving X than Y
02:49 PM pcw_mesa: ( and minimum when static )
02:49 PM gloops: yes i will do that, might be a day or 2 before i get back to it now
02:50 PM gregcnc: how much current per motor and what is supply current rating?
02:51 PM gloops: drivers and motors are rated for 4.2 amp, ive got them slightly under about 3.75
02:53 PM gregcnc: supply rating?
02:53 PM gloops: 9.8 i think
02:54 PM gregcnc: oh
02:54 PM gregcnc: could be low
02:54 PM Rab: gloops, if X/Y motors are identical, you could try connecting each X drive in turn to the Y motor to check performance. That'll instantly isolate the problem to setup/drive/X1/X2 vs the physical machine.
02:55 PM gloops: yeah? it came as a complete set i thought that would be ok
02:56 PM gloops: Rab yes, i need to do that as part of first checks, its a bit late to testing them now though tonight
03:17 PM gloops: 'I saw a gritty, grey shape in the doorway': Coronation Street's Bill Roache believes he can connect to the afterlife after 'seeing a yellow-eyed ghost while on the toilet'
03:17 PM gloops: that must have been a strain...
03:47 PM Deejay: gn8
04:26 PM pink_vampire: ?
05:01 PM phipli: pink_vampire, at the world in general?
05:04 PM pink_vampire: phipli: what do you mean?
05:04 PM phipli: the question mark
05:05 PM phipli: was it just a general question mark at the world, or did it have a specific target
05:15 PM JT-Shop: well the day was going real well... got a lot done on the cleaner but ruined the project case for the wide angle lens camera
05:21 PM * JT-Shop listens to the Stray Cats for a bit
05:40 PM * skunkworks is listening to cake radio on pandora...
05:40 PM * JT-Shop grins
05:42 PM JT-Shop: now I'm listens to the Platters
05:52 PM * phipli hasn't listened to anything all day :(
05:52 PM phipli: and it is nearly tomorrow
05:52 PM phipli: JT-Shop, http://elephantandchicken.co.uk/PCBs/Cats01.png
05:52 PM JT-Shop: a few minutes away for you
05:52 PM phipli: http://elephantandchicken.co.uk/PCBs/Cats02.png
05:53 PM phipli: trying to work out how to do more things in kicad
05:53 PM JT-Shop: what the heck is that lol
05:54 PM phipli: a silly thing :)
05:54 PM phipli: just a cat with flashing eyes
05:54 PM JT-Shop: lol
05:54 PM phipli: circuit is a multivibrator
05:54 PM phipli: so the LEDs in the cats eyes alternate
05:56 PM phipli: working up to making PCB christmas cards... as I missed last christmas again :)
05:57 PM JT-Shop: I guess I need to order another project box for the wide angle camera... trashed the original one trying to make a 16.1mm hole
05:57 PM JT-Shop: time to cook the shrimp tacos here
05:57 PM phipli: night
05:57 PM JT-Shop: Henry is still in isolation
05:57 PM JT-Shop: night
05:57 PM phipli: oh dear.
05:57 PM phipli: have you tried good cop / bad cop on him?
05:58 PM * phipli potters off...
05:58 PM JT-Shop: we are both learning... if he learns enough and I learn enough he can stay otherwise...
05:59 PM phipli: unless he wins and you end up living in the woods
05:59 PM JT-Shop: trying to train him to keep a safe distance from me
05:59 PM JT-Shop: not likely lol
05:59 PM phipli: :)
06:00 PM phipli: anyhow - night :)
06:00 PM JT-Shop: oh I do live in the woods
06:00 PM phipli: true :)
06:00 PM JT-Shop: say goodnight gracie
06:00 PM phipli: goodnight gracie
09:09 PM MrHindsight: who sells drops of delrin and nylon, UHMW rods?
09:18 PM Tom_L: lustercraft plastics might
09:18 PM Tom_L: i get alot of stuff from them
09:18 PM Tom_L: that's my 'goto' for plastic scrap
09:19 PM MrHindsight: need a few inches of 2.5" delrin rod
09:20 PM Tom_L: they deal mostly in flat but i think they have round
09:20 PM Tom_L: i've gotten tube from them before
09:20 PM MrHindsight: I could use flat and make a few discs
09:21 PM Tom_L: http://lustercraft.com/products/plastic-materials-services
09:22 PM MrHindsight: Acetal is fine
09:23 PM MrHindsight: ~$30 for a 1 ft piece just seems high
09:24 PM Wolf__: I wonder if I have any 2.5” stock
09:26 PM Wolf__: nope, biggest is 2"
10:51 PM hazzy: ENCO used to be my goto for delrin rod up to 6" for making gears. 2" black delrin was something like $15 per foot. Just checked MSC, it is $25 logged in with my transfered ENCO account, $30 with my regular MSC account
10:52 PM hazzy: They swore up and down they would keep the same prices for previous ENCO customers, and they did for a while, but seems that had an expiration date ...
10:53 PM hazzy: Sorry, still sore about MSC dropping ENCO
11:02 PM MrHindsight: me 2
11:03 PM MrHindsight: found some for ~$15/ft + $15 shipping
11:08 PM MrHindsight: I might just use Alu 6061
11:17 PM tiwake: I'm not terribly fond of MSC... generally way overpriced
11:17 PM tiwake: buy maritool, top quality for competitive price
11:18 PM tiwake: and buy materials from local suppliers
11:19 PM MrHindsight: i have a local MSC but they don't stock much that I use
11:19 PM MrHindsight: McMaster is also local
11:19 PM MrHindsight: but raw materials I buy from mills
11:20 PM MrHindsight: it's when i just need a small amount of something that it can get difficult
11:20 PM tiwake: heh, sometimes, yeah
11:21 PM MrHindsight: whats new with you?
11:21 PM tiwake: I moved to texas
11:21 PM tiwake: a little over a year ago
11:21 PM MrHindsight: yeah, how is it going?
11:21 PM MrHindsight: nicer weather?
11:22 PM tiwake: its cold right now... literally freezing
11:22 PM tiwake: uh, starting to look at property and houses and stuff
11:22 PM tiwake: got a couple new computers (based on AMD's new AM4 platform)
11:22 PM tiwake: made a pot of beans on the weekend
11:22 PM MrHindsight: yo yo weather here, -12, +50, +5, +25, +3, +38 every 12 hours
11:23 PM MrHindsight: Rizen?
11:23 PM tiwake: ryzen
11:24 PM MrHindsight: haven't gotten RTAI working on Ryzen yet
11:24 PM tiwake: donno what that is
11:24 PM MrHindsight: been busy on 100 other things
11:24 PM Crom: ok ordered way oil
11:24 PM MrHindsight: tiwake: RTAI? the real time linux kernel
11:24 PM tiwake: oh
11:25 PM Crom: bought it in gallons for ease of handling...
11:25 PM pink_vampire: hi all
11:25 PM MrHindsight: I have 55gal drums
11:25 PM MrHindsight: lots of extra
11:25 PM tiwake: well, motherboards still are not quite complete with kernel drivers and stuff
11:25 PM MrHindsight: Crom: what was the price?
11:26 PM tiwake: ubuntu 17.10 does not work with my system, but when I update to unreleased 18.04 it works mostly alright
11:26 PM Crom: It's cheaper to buy 5 gallons, but that's a bitch to work with... so I spend 40% more for gallons 3 gallons $138 with shipping
11:26 PM MrHindsight: if anyone needs way or spindle oil let me know
11:27 PM Crom: now I find out DOH!
11:27 PM Wolf__: lol
11:27 PM MrHindsight: let me check the #'s
11:27 PM Tom_L: mobile?
11:28 PM Wolf__: i’ve thought about getting motor oil in 55gal drums...
11:29 PM tiwake: it won't go bad anyway
11:29 PM Tom_L: vactra 2?
11:29 PM tiwake: if I run straight oil in my machines for cutting fluid... what should I get?
11:30 PM pink_vampire: oil
11:30 PM Tom_L: i got a gallon of rustlick
11:30 PM pink_vampire: i'm using baby oil
11:31 PM Tom_L: rustlick ultracut 380R is what i got
11:31 PM Tom_L: mix about 30:1 or so
11:31 PM tiwake: Tom_L: does it work a lot better than water soluble oil?
11:31 PM Tom_L: depending on your abuse of cutters
11:31 PM Tom_L: it is water soluable
11:31 PM tiwake: oh
11:31 PM tiwake: I'm not talking about that
11:31 PM Tom_L: works good too
11:31 PM tiwake: just straight up cutting oil
11:32 PM Tom_L: my bud uses mobile vactra 2 for lube
11:32 PM tiwake: I believe its referred to as running the machines "neat" or something
11:32 PM Tom_L: this stuff works good
11:32 PM Tom_L: i'm using it on my mister
11:33 PM MrHindsight: spindle oil https://imagebin.ca/v/3qxtY345x7lI
11:33 PM MrHindsight: way oil https://imagebin.ca/v/3qxtdyrFh3BQ
11:34 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhw8fYyC3Jw
11:34 PM Tom_L: first test cut of that program
11:34 PM MrHindsight: http://petroleumservicecompany.com/exxon-febis-k-68-cross-reference/
11:34 PM Tom_L: needs a little work but was ok as far as cutting
11:35 PM MrHindsight: https://www.mobil.com/english-us/industrial/pds/glxxteresstic-series
11:38 PM MrHindsight: http://petroleumservicecompany.com/exxon-teresstic-32-cross-reference/
11:55 PM MrHindsight: tiwake: the spindle on the matuura started leaking so it was running neat
11:56 PM MrHindsight: crunchy and neat