#linuxcnc Logs

Jan 24 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:37 AM IchGucksLive: hi from a dark Germany
12:40 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: did you feel the shaking
12:40 AM MrHindsight: more quakes?
12:40 AM IchGucksLive: usgs showes 20 above 3
12:51 AM roycroft: no quakes to speak of in the lower 48
12:51 AM roycroft: and the ones in alaska are way too far away to be felt down here
12:52 AM roycroft: there was a tsunami alert here
12:52 AM roycroft: well, not right here
12:52 AM roycroft: but on the coast west of here
12:52 AM roycroft: but we had no tsunami
12:53 AM SpeedEvil: https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us2000cmy3#executive
12:54 AM roycroft: the big quake was ~300km out to sea off kodiak island
12:54 AM SpeedEvil: https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us2000cmy3#dyfi - one person rated it as 'strong'
12:54 AM SpeedEvil: most disagree
12:55 AM SpeedEvil: https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us2000cmy3#dyfi I do like
12:55 AM SpeedEvil: - the intensity vs distance plot
01:36 AM Loetmichel: mornin'
01:55 AM Deejay: moin
02:09 AM gloops: taking cheap tat to a new level https://thecaveuk.co.uk/
02:24 AM gloops: a lot of these antique finishes are printed now, design in photoshop, print on paper, stick to wood, scuff around the edges a bit
02:25 AM MrHindsight: can't wait until cheap plastic crap is antique
02:26 AM gloops: some things probably will be
02:26 AM gloops: collectible
02:26 AM gloops: a 1980s plastic milk carton in perfect condition
02:27 AM archivist: the real crap plastic and rubber wont last, falls apart
02:27 AM gloops: who wrapped one of those up and put it away?
02:27 AM archivist: I have a 1970's carton of plant food unopened
02:30 AM gloops: the charm will be that people were still involved in making it
02:30 AM archivist: hmm has a barcode on it probably later
02:31 AM archivist: google fail! "50333226 fisons" and it finds nothing
02:31 AM gloops: https://thecaveuk.co.uk/collections/clocks/products/wooden-vintage-moving-cogs-wall-clock
02:32 AM gloops: the face on that is probably paper or stick on vinyl?
02:32 AM archivist: silly website, I see the text and no image
02:34 AM gloops: https://ibb.co/f7Q7ww
02:35 AM archivist: paper has been used for clock dials for a very long time
02:35 AM gloops: i was looking at some cabinets, wondering how they got the finish, some different colour layers and airbrushing i though, closer look - whole thing was pasted in paper prints and laquered
02:38 AM archivist: cheap vienna clocks had paper and varnish
02:38 AM archivist: look horrible when they fad or oils soaks into the paper
02:38 AM archivist: fade
02:39 AM gloops: not pre-antiqued using photoshop though heh
02:39 AM gloops: its a good method really, ive only got an a4 printer though
02:40 AM archivist: I have restored a case and used printed paper to fix a corner :)
02:41 AM archivist: what is worse about that clock is the gears will be an image as well, quartz movement hiding at the rear
02:51 AM archivist: MrBusiness,
02:52 AM archivist: MrHindsight, dunno if you have watched that begl character long enough, wants to communicate to aliens
02:53 AM gloops: the gears move apparently, obviously not the clock movement though, quartz box at the back as you say
02:57 AM MrHindsight: archivist: heh
02:57 AM gloops: they dont appear to be meshed at first glance, just a whirling effect
02:59 AM gloops: clock gears are virtually free https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100g-LOTS-Bronze-Silver-Gold-Steampunk-Cogs-and-Gears-Clock-Hand-Charm-Mixed/401202091242?
03:00 AM archivist: steampunk, looks to fool idiots :)
03:01 AM gloops: maybe a plastic battery powered mechanism at the back to rotate 8 shafts or whatever - fake clock gear at the front turning
03:01 AM gloops: or a little belt
03:07 AM archivist: I dont know how people buy into some of the fakery of the steampunk sellers
03:09 AM MarcelineVQ: they might not care if they did know better, it's just to show to other people who know even less
03:10 AM MarcelineVQ: never really understood that, I've got enough useful stuff taking up space in the house to fill it with knicknaks
03:11 AM archivist: real pressure gauges are being wasted in steampunk "art"
03:11 AM archivist: that bugs me
03:11 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
03:12 AM gloops: i suppose if it is art, some thought gone into it, has some meaning, etc
03:12 AM gloops: when its copied on a mass production scale its just junk
03:12 AM archivist: thought! spherical objects
03:13 AM gloops: online shopaholics are running up huge credit card bills to get this stuff lol
03:15 AM gloops: right, this job must be done today, z finished, couple of pulleys to fit, few bolts to go in here and there
03:17 AM gloops: these rollon bearing rails i gambled on came with 2 packs, i didnt think id need them, thought the mrs had thrown them away, i know realise what they were for - rollon doesnt work with the standard chino sbr system
03:17 AM gloops: thankfully found the packs, i guess the cnc meddler who had them before had found the same problem
03:39 AM archivist: get rid of junk https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50g-watch-parts-STEAMPUNK-JEWELLERY-ALTERED-ART-CRAFTS-CYBERPUNK-COGS-GEARS-ETC/190750803216
03:51 AM jthornton: morning
04:14 AM XXCoder: great for clockwork nerds archivist
04:15 AM XXCoder: expecially ones who think adding a gear or 2 makes it streampunk
04:31 AM malcom2073: XXCoder: Like my mother
04:31 AM malcom2073: She makes cards, and loves gears and shit, I forwarded that to her
04:31 AM XXCoder: sorry
04:34 AM XXCoder: :)
04:36 AM XXCoder: lots of pretty cool streampunk stuff out there. then theres lots of old stuff with glued on gears lol
04:52 AM gloops: now the z does drop - like a lump of lead
04:58 AM gloops: there should be something satisfying about getting buckled plates and bits of flat bar and used bearings to working perfect alignment, self made ballscrew bearings turned from old as pipe lol, but there is no time to savour the moment
04:59 AM XXCoder: keep on rocking man
05:00 AM gloops: i wont be boring people with this much longer lol, nearly there..i hope
05:01 AM jthornton: got any photos?
05:01 AM gloops: took one the other day have posted it
05:02 AM gloops: not designed for appearance of course https://ibb.co/cXfTib
05:02 AM SpeedEvil: :)
05:02 AM jthornton: very nice indeed
05:03 AM XXCoder: appearance fail. ;)
05:03 AM XXCoder: nice
05:05 AM gloops: getting a pile of scrap to run freely has taken years off me haha
05:40 AM Tom_L: 26F
05:44 AM jthornton: same here
06:39 AM uwe__ is now known as uwe_
07:16 AM Tom_L: does linuxcnc still use STEPLEN and STEPSPACE in the ini for stepper timing?
07:16 AM Tom_L: i'm not finding it in the docs under ini settings
07:25 AM jthornton: stepgen uses it but linuxcnc does not http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-config.html#sub:custom-variables
07:38 AM gloops: m11 1mm locking nuts for 1605 screws
07:38 AM archivist: m11? m12
07:38 AM gloops: everywhere sells m8 m10 m12..but not m11
07:38 AM archivist: make
07:38 AM gloops: 11mm diameter
07:39 AM archivist: use a second nut like the old days
07:39 AM gloops: dont think ive got a die, dont think ill be attempting on lathe unless i have to
07:40 AM gloops: ive only got 3 of the nuts, i need 4, ill get one, therell be some by post
07:41 AM gloops: still bits and bobs to do, ill get x axis all ready to run - if that works im pretty confident the others will, maybe friday or saturday
07:42 AM archivist: next week :)
07:42 AM gloops: probably 2 week before i can say thats it its running
07:43 AM gloops: somethings will rattle and screech no doubt
07:43 AM archivist: some errors turn up in the middle of jobs
07:44 AM gloops: reliability is another long term thing to find out yeah, it might run, once, twice 5 times - then bang
07:45 AM archivist: I had the flexible couplings come loose and later break
07:45 AM gloops: ive only got one on the z
07:46 AM archivist: the friction on my slides was too high, got step loss and damaged work
07:47 AM gloops: that might be an issue - ive got no friction on slides, push it it rolls to the other end, may need bearings tightening
07:48 AM gloops: stuff like that you can only really sort out when you test it
07:48 AM gloops: i wouldnt like to fit those square rails on old steel
07:49 AM archivist: when I went from 4 to 5 axis the weight was a lot higher and off centre, that added friction
07:50 AM archivist: replaced an axis to rails to improve
07:50 AM gloops: ive thought about some of the brackets and stuff ive made, they work ok with no load, under load if they bend they could jam the bearings ir nuts or whatever, have to see
07:52 AM gloops: like the ballnut brackets, i dont know i think the proper ones support the nut body so it cant twist, maybe screwing the flange to a plate or bracket is no good under load
08:53 AM roycroft: my spindle should arrive friday, so not a huge time setback
08:53 AM * roycroft should be able to get the project back on track over the weekend
09:25 AM archivist: uk made bridgeport https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292422126982
10:44 AM IchGucksLive: hi
10:50 AM gloops: hello
11:09 AM fragalot: wish I had the money to be this ballsy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRWAFOQKHKI
11:11 AM roycroft: all it takes is a sponsor to grow balls
11:11 AM gregcnc_: nothing is going to happen
11:12 AM fragalot: roycroft: like I said. :P
11:15 AM gregcnc_: you see amateurs stalling spindles and axes all the time?
11:15 AM fragalot: yeah but we don't brag about it
11:16 AM gregcnc_: plenty of YT evidence
11:17 AM roycroft: i could not watch the whole thing
11:17 AM roycroft: because i can't find any point to what the guy is doing
11:17 AM gregcnc_: titan is about getting things done. so many people still believe the machines and tooling should be babied
11:17 AM fragalot: gregcnc_: they shouldn't be babied, but at the same time what he's doing is fairly pointless in the end
11:18 AM roycroft: i turned it off when the guy said he could run it faster by turning the coolant on and taking smaller passes
11:18 AM gregcnc_: pointless if they didn't use the information to make parts faster
11:18 AM fragalot: going to 200% spindle load, only to then reduce the MMR to what he originally got at 450ipm to get up to his target of 800rpm
11:18 AM fragalot: roycroft: same, I linked it too early in
11:18 AM gregcnc_: you have to check to know
11:19 AM roycroft: gregcnc_: finding the limits is fine
11:19 AM gregcnc_: and it is YT
11:19 AM roycroft: but then claiming that one can "get around" the limits by not getting around the limits is pointless
11:19 AM gregcnc_: if you do pass the limit how do you know where it is?
11:20 AM roycroft: if you pass the limit you haven't passed the limit
11:20 AM roycroft: you don't pass the limit
11:20 AM roycroft: you reach the limit
11:20 AM fragalot: roycroft: well put :P
11:20 AM roycroft: that's what a limit is :)
11:21 AM fragalot: what he really needed was an ultra heavy duty shaper
11:21 AM fragalot: just push his 100 thou off in 1 pass at 800ipm
11:21 AM CaptHindsight: it might be like unlimited internet
11:21 AM roycroft: if he used a jackhammer he could take passes of 1"
11:21 AM roycroft: none of this 0.100" crap
11:21 AM fragalot: lol
11:22 AM fragalot: shear?
11:23 AM roycroft: oh well, the video makes for good entertainment for the masses, i suppose
11:23 AM fragalot: hurray I have a new nephew
11:34 AM methods_: it's a haas
11:34 AM methods_: not like it has the HP to get in much trouble to begin with
11:36 AM IchGucksLive: haas are quite offen sold at the moment
11:36 AM IchGucksLive: the support is very little and the brekup occure offen it sems
11:39 AM roycroft: my issue with the video is the claim that things can be "tweaked" to make it perform better, using the feed rate as the only determinant of performance
11:39 AM roycroft: if you take a lighter cut to increase the feed rate that is not a performance increase
11:39 AM roycroft: it's just doing it differently
11:43 AM fragalot: hi IchGucksLive
11:44 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
11:44 AM fragalot: roycroft: it's doing it worse as he reduced the MMR a LOT
11:45 AM * roycroft did not stick around long enough for the details
11:50 AM fragalot: roycroft: would you prefer this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otjvUz7qKXc
11:51 AM roycroft: i prefer things that stick to facts and reason, without the theatrics
11:51 AM roycroft: proper scientific methodology
11:51 AM fragalot: but the kid was on TV!
11:51 AM roycroft: i know mine is a minority position, so i'll not press it
11:57 AM CaptHindsight: I got one of those but the bucket cost me $50
11:57 AM CaptHindsight: so the bucket is not free
11:58 AM fragalot: did you seriously pay $50 for a bucket?
11:59 AM CaptHindsight: like free range chickens, that they still charge you for at the store
11:59 AM CaptHindsight: it's all a scam :)
11:59 AM fragalot: hahah
12:02 PM roycroft: are chickens truly free if humans steal all their eggs?
12:03 PM roycroft: that's a strange definition of freedom
12:04 PM fragalot: so...
12:04 PM fragalot: you can't truly be free until you get to rot the eggs yourself?
12:05 PM fragalot: what us puny humans do is clean up after them
12:14 PM CaptHindsight: reminds me of "Sleeper" http://www.3ders.org/articles/20180123-mixing-pdms-elastomers-produces-strong-3d-printed-parts-with-superior-cell-adhesion.html
12:20 PM kPa_ is now known as kPa
12:25 PM CaptHindsight: anyone work with 3MF files? https://3mf.io/specification/
12:26 PM fragalot: "human readable, using OPC, ZIP and XML"
12:26 PM fragalot: who here can read ZIP?
12:26 PM CaptHindsight: looking at having to write CAM for use with LCNC
12:27 PM fragalot: https://github.com/alexrj/Slic3r/issues/2811 perhaps this has progressed?
12:28 PM fragalot: if not, now is your time to shine!
12:30 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: actually, https://github.com/alexrj/Slic3r/pull/4046
12:32 PM CaptHindsight: https://paste.ee/p/tluDF example 4MF file (first several lines)
12:33 PM CaptHindsight: heh 3MF
12:34 PM fragalot: so it's an STL in XML format?
12:34 PM CaptHindsight: with data fpr materials and colors
12:34 PM CaptHindsight: fpr/for
12:35 PM CaptHindsight: <color id="0" value="#333333" />
12:35 PM CaptHindsight: <material id="1" name="Black" colorid="0" />
12:35 PM CaptHindsight: <object id="2" type="model" materialid="1">
12:35 PM Connor: So, I'm having a slight issue with my VFD..
12:36 PM Connor: Somehow, the drive entered a state in which is was still running the motor at a very low rpm (maybe 10 rpm or so)  and would not response to stop, or even the E-Stop
12:36 PM fragalot: that... is not good.
12:36 PM Connor: No freaking joke.
12:37 PM fragalot: what brand is it?
12:37 PM fragalot: because not responding to an E-stop is unforgivable
12:38 PM Connor: It will stop after 10-20 seconds and issues a Err 42 which says encoder parameters are nt setm or motor-auto-tuning is not performed
12:38 PM Connor: LAPOND / Soyan Power
12:39 PM CaptHindsight: you should not rely on a command to the VFD for E-stop, it should be hard wired
12:39 PM fragalot: for spindles, yes
12:40 PM fragalot: leaving it as a category 2 is not required, so if possible make it at least a category 1, have the VFD brake & dump the energy, then cut power
12:41 PM fragalot: but stil, the VFD has an E-stop input, which means that it should be capable of reliably stopping as a cat.2
12:41 PM Connor: I'm out of room in the box.. no place for a large contactor to put between the mains and the VFD.
12:42 PM CaptHindsight: if it's actually wired that way
12:42 PM fragalot: Connor: what about a mains switch?
12:42 PM CaptHindsight: ChinaCo VFD, who knows
12:42 PM Connor: Within 50' of the circuit breaker.
12:43 PM Connor: No mains switch.
12:43 PM fragalot: Connor: I mean one of these on the door: https://www.microlectra.nl/img/product/7384/278/306/emas-psa040ak941e-inbouw-hoofdschakelaar-3pn40a-roodgeel-hangslotbeveiliging.jpg
12:43 PM fragalot: not sure what the hell they're called in english
12:43 PM CaptHindsight: "spindle didn't stop again, send up another two armed operator"
12:43 PM Connor: I could add one of those possibly..
12:43 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: you're joking, but I have heard a line similar enough to that when at a customer's site once
12:44 PM Connor: but, that's still not a solution for the estop
12:44 PM fragalot: Connor: it's not; BUT that does count as a cat.0 e-stop that is guaranteed to work EVERY TIME.
12:44 PM fragalot: sure, it's an uncontrolled stop, but it's there if the controlled one failed
12:45 PM Connor: Machine also has a twist lock plug that can be pulled.. it's not hardwired into the mains..
12:45 PM fragalot: That works.
12:47 PM Connor: I'm asking the manufacture about these issues.. I suspect I need to "auto-tune" the motor..
12:48 PM gloops: A lover of exotic animals died of asphyxia after his 2.4-metre (8ft) pet African rock python called Tiny wrapped itself around him, a coroner has ruled
12:48 PM Connor: I.E motor type.. Async Motor, Variable Freq Async motor, Sync Motor
12:49 PM Connor: power, voltage, rated freq and motor rotaional speed
12:49 PM gloops: coroner - He made clear he did not believe the snake had been aggressive towards its owner, but the most likely scenario was that the reptile had been coiling around him in an affectionate way.
12:49 PM fragalot: nice
12:50 PM Connor: motor internal equivalent stator resistance, inductive reactance and rotor inductance
12:54 PM pcw_mesa: the snake loved him to death
12:55 PM gloops: my nephew used to keep them, had to reinforce the room and have a vet sign it off, he ended up pretty scared of the pythons
12:58 PM roycroft: that's a pretty small snake to be able to asphixiate an adult human
12:58 PM roycroft: unless it wrapped itself around its owner's neck
12:59 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: most business owners I know would be that way if they could
12:59 PM Tom_L: does STEPLEN and STEPSPACE actually do anything in the [AXIS] section of the ini anymore?
01:00 PM Connor: How do I get the motor internal equivalent stator resistance, inductive reactance and rotor inductance ?
01:00 PM fragalot: well this is annoying
01:00 PM fragalot: the web shop I want to use to order some wire only lets me sort by individual strand gauge
01:00 PM fragalot: and how many strands
01:00 PM fragalot: ._.
01:00 PM Connor: And what constitutes a Async Motor, Variable Async and a Sync motor?
01:01 PM fragalot: Connor: that part's easy
01:03 PM Loetmichel: Connor: async is with a squirrel cage rotor
01:03 PM Loetmichel: sync is with a permanent magnet
01:04 PM pcw_mesa: async is an induction motor ( a transformer with a shorted secondary)
01:04 PM Loetmichel: and variable is with a winding that can get DC excited on the rotor to varying degrees
01:04 PM Connor: This is a older 1.5HP 3 phase motor for the bridgeport.. so.. I'm assuming it's just a Async motor..
01:06 PM Loetmichel: Connor: 3 phase 50/60 hz "standard" motors are usually squirrel cage rotor, yes
01:07 PM Loetmichel: so with a shorted winding in the rotor that generates the rotor magnetic field
01:08 PM Connor: okay, so what about the motor internal equivalent stator resistance, inductive reactance and rotor inductance
01:10 PM Loetmichel: are you programming an VFD?
01:11 PM Loetmichel: ... doesent that thing have an "auto" mode?
01:11 PM Connor: Not sure. Going to look at it again and see..
01:11 PM Connor: I thought you had to provide some of these things for it to auto-tune..
01:12 PM gregcnc_: just nameplate data usually
01:13 PM Connor: okay.. I see what to do..
01:14 PM Connor: I need the type, power, voltage,current, frequency and rated rotational speed
01:15 PM Connor: would the spindle and pulleys be considered load or not ?
01:15 PM Connor: I can tune with No-load and with load..
01:16 PM Connor: The best I can do with no-load would be to slack the pulley and pull the belt.. it'll still have 1 gang of pulleys directly attached..
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
01:25 PM Loetmichel: Connor: thats close enough to no load
01:25 PM Connor: That was my thinking..
01:25 PM Loetmichel: unless the pulleys have sticky bearings
01:25 PM Connor: Well.. slacking the belt the only pulleys are direct shaft mounted...
01:26 PM Loetmichel: thats no load then
01:26 PM Loetmichel: i thought you had still ONE belt running then
01:26 PM Connor: No.. Just 1 4 step pulley stack on the motor shaft.
01:27 PM Loetmichel: load is something that brakes the shaft
01:27 PM Loetmichel: not just mass on the shaft
01:27 PM Connor: okay.. so drag
01:27 PM Loetmichel: unless its so much mass that it prevents spinup
03:56 PM Deejay: gn8
04:04 PM gloops: .
04:06 PM gloops: cheese sandwich, frozen yogurt and a glass of milk before bed, should be some interesting dreams tonight
04:10 PM enleth: or an interesting mid-night run for the loo
04:10 PM gloops: and/or that
04:11 PM gloops: a cnc sandwich maker would be a big seller
04:14 PM gloops: actually there was something on TV about that the other night, automated sandwich makers, still need humans present, because the machine doesnt know which bits of lettuce or bacon fit correctly together on a slice of bread
04:14 PM gloops: patchy or too much
04:17 PM roycroft: just a step away from genetically engineering lettuce and pigs to grow sandwich-shaped
04:21 PM gloops: just grow the meat in 8x4 trays
04:22 PM gloops: no need for a pig to live to have meat
08:16 PM justan0theruser is now known as justanotheruser
08:32 PM Tom_L: is there a document on setting stepper STEPLEN and STEPSPACE or the stepgen driver?
08:33 PM Tom_L: for particular steppers or steppers in general
08:46 PM jdh: there is.
08:47 PM jdh: I've run across it a few times, but couldn't guess where offhand.
08:47 PM Tom_L: they're working i just wanted to see if they were working as good as they could
08:48 PM jdh: do you have the specs for your driver?
08:48 PM Tom_L: it's a gecko
08:48 PM Tom_L: 203v
08:48 PM jdh: that's in the wiki. The explanation is elsewhere
08:49 PM jdh: there is a link in there to a spreadsheet for timing calcs also (somewhere in the wiki)
08:50 PM Tom_L: ok
08:53 PM jdh: I think most of the odd stuff only matters for stepgen based stuff, not mesa type.
08:54 PM Tom_L: these parameters are for the hostmot2 stepen drive in the hal file
08:54 PM Tom_L: driver
08:55 PM Tom_L: i'm just going thru my config and trying to eliminate old code that really doesn't need to be there
08:58 PM dioz: Tom_L: you ever heard of "glidetrack" ?
08:58 PM Tom_L: no
09:06 PM evilroot: The linear rail for cameras?
09:06 PM dioz: yah
09:09 PM evilroot: A guy I know does Youtube videos, he as all sorts of stuff like that
09:09 PM evilroot: *has
11:08 PM pink_vampire: hi
11:13 PM `Wolf: hi pink_vampire
11:15 PM pink_vampire: hii `Wolf!
11:21 PM pink_vampire: someone know how to fill a gap in insulated foam?
11:22 PM `Wolf: how big of a gap? small I would use backer rod, large gap expanding foam
11:26 PM pink_vampire: i want to fill that gap in the insulated foam https://i.imgur.com/c4MK1ph.jpg
11:27 PM roycroft: use the expanding foam made for sealing around windows
11:28 PM roycroft: it's a minimal expanding type
11:28 PM `Wolf: small gap looks like https://www.homedepot.com/s/backer%20rod?NCNI-5 would do
11:29 PM roycroft: honestly, duct tape would do a decent job for that small a void
11:29 PM `Wolf: expanding foam would work as well, but overkill imo https://www.homedepot.com/s/door%20and%20window%20foam?NCNI-5
11:30 PM roycroft: but something with some insulating value would be better
11:30 PM `Wolf: or that, just tape it, or cut a foam sliver and gorilla glue it in
11:30 PM roycroft: the nice thing about minimal expanding foam is that it also has some adhesive qualities
11:31 PM roycroft: plain gorilla glue would even work
11:31 PM roycroft: just spray down the insulation board first with some water
11:32 PM roycroft: gorilla glue dries pretty hard, though, and would not be as easy to cut flush as expanding foam
11:36 PM pink_vampire: also i have stuff like that all over https://i.imgur.com/eViY3fh.jpg
11:36 PM pink_vampire: i want to sand it and paint it
11:37 PM roycroft: backer rod would be good for intersections like that with a small, consistent gap
11:37 PM pink_vampire: i never use gorilla glue
11:38 PM pink_vampire: roycroft: i want something that can be sanded
11:38 PM roycroft: then i would recommend gorilla glue
11:39 PM pink_vampire: what type of gorilla glue?
11:39 PM roycroft: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Gorilla-Glue-2-fl-oz-Original-Glue-269/100130236
11:39 PM roycroft: original gorilla glue
11:39 PM roycroft: it requires moisture to activate
11:40 PM roycroft: so you get a spray bottle, fill it with water, spray down what you want to glue, and then squirt the glue on it
11:40 PM roycroft: the glue will expand like expanding foam, but not as much, and will dry fairly hard and dense
11:41 PM pink_vampire: what about wood glue?
11:41 PM roycroft: i would not use it on foam
11:42 PM roycroft: gorilla glue would bond a lot better
11:43 PM Wolf__: I wouldnt try painting raw foam board
11:43 PM Wolf__: but if you really want to try it, the smaller gaps I would just use joint compound on to fill
11:43 PM pink_vampire: i want to cover it with paper then to paint it
11:46 PM pink_vampire: why gorilla glue is soooo related to Cannabis ??
11:46 PM roycroft: huh?
11:47 PM roycroft: i've never associated the two
11:47 PM evilren: because there is a strain called gorilla glue #4
11:47 PM pink_vampire: google gorilla glue > images
11:48 PM Crom: Used my Portaband I got from a pawn shop through Buya.com, $118 total shipped, needs $20 in parts, then it'll run like new.. Lot better than $300
11:48 PM evilren: guys where should i buy bandsaw blades?
11:48 PM Crom: evil which band saw?
11:49 PM evilren: small craftsman thing
11:49 PM roycroft: home depot?
11:49 PM Crom: the Ryobi one?
11:49 PM pink_vampire: i got the white ones from lowes
11:49 PM Wolf__: amazon
11:49 PM roycroft: there's a milwaukee corded portaband on cl for $150 right now that looks to be in good shape from the pictures
11:49 PM roycroft: i'm tempted
11:49 PM roycroft: but i really want a batter one
11:49 PM roycroft: battery
11:49 PM pink_vampire: "LENOX"
11:49 PM Crom: cheapest you can find...
11:50 PM roycroft: the hf portaband is on sale for $99 regularly
11:50 PM Crom: roycroft: naw, I want corded portaband. MORE POWER!
11:50 PM evilren: it says 70-1/2" blades
11:50 PM roycroft: actually, the battery milwaukee is more powerful than the orded one
11:50 PM Crom: roycroft: DO NOT GET THE HF!
11:50 PM roycroft: corded
11:51 PM pink_vampire: i also have the LENOX 18 tpi on my hacksaw, just loooveeee it!!
11:51 PM Wolf__: yup, I love my fuel bandsaw
11:51 PM roycroft: i have a 7x12 in my welding shop
11:51 PM roycroft: so it's not like i don't have a band saw
11:51 PM roycroft: i want the portaband for portable use
11:52 PM evilren: https://www.amazon.com/Imachinist-S701314-2-inch-Bi-metal-Cutting/dp/B010G6A35O
11:52 PM evilren: heh @ imachinist
11:52 PM Crom: I just cut 4 90 degree cuts through 2.5 3/16" wall tube, and 4 45 degree cuts through the 2.5" 3/16" wall tube.
11:53 PM pink_vampire: i have the HF - it is cutting ork, but noiiiisy
11:53 PM Crom: get a used portaband and put new parts in... alot cheaper that way
11:54 PM Wolf__: cheap blades arent worth the $$ imo, I run starrett and lenox blades
11:54 PM evilren: wolf__: where to buy
11:54 PM pink_vampire: i cut my starrett blade
11:54 PM roycroft: my new saw blades took 2 days to get from grand forks north dakota to st paul minnesota (about 4 hours east), over to portland oregon via montana, idaho, and washington
11:54 PM roycroft: that is impressive
11:54 PM pink_vampire: evilren: Lowse
11:54 PM Crom: I'm getting brushes, bushings and wheel rubbers
11:55 PM roycroft: but now it has taken 2-1/2 days to get from portland oregon to troutdale oregon, which is right next to portland
11:55 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/xJLMxQs.png
11:55 PM pink_vampire: lowes*
11:55 PM Crom: well as soon as my damn check clears...
11:55 PM pink_vampire: evilren: what size?
11:56 PM Crom: didn't reliaze Dell runs debit at shipping..
11:56 PM Wolf__: http://a.co/1PlrceN but my saw is a bit bigger
11:56 PM pink_vampire: 6 tpi!
11:57 PM Wolf__: 6-10
11:57 PM evilroot: o.O
11:57 PM pink_vampire: Wolf__: it was abit too long https://i.imgur.com/56bMPgm.png
11:57 PM evilroot: Cut all the things?
11:57 PM Crom: I have a 93 1/2" blade HF band saw, with the bearing upper guide. I want to get the 6" riser block to make it a 105 1/2" blade for 12" resaw
11:58 PM roycroft: i have a 14" grizzly band saw
11:58 PM roycroft: and i got two of the 6" riser block sets for it
11:58 PM roycroft: i get custom made blades for it
11:58 PM Crom: I hear I can mod a grizzly to fit a HF\
11:58 PM roycroft: but i can resaw just shy of 18" with that
11:59 PM pink_vampire: what is riser block ?
11:59 PM Crom: NICE!
11:59 PM roycroft: i put a 1hp motor on it
11:59 PM roycroft: and it would be happier with a 1.5hp motor when resawing really thick boards
11:59 PM pink_vampire: where did you get 18" stock??