#linuxcnc Logs
Jan 13 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:00 AM XXCoder: not sure what definition of "move in" is?
12:03 AM XXCoder: move futher than trigger point or before?
12:03 AM Tom_L: home until the switch triggers then reverse a little bit
12:03 AM Tom_L: use that as machine zero
12:03 AM XXCoder: okay makes sense :)
12:03 AM XXCoder: do you do "double trigger"?
12:03 AM Tom_L: not sure what you mean
12:03 AM XXCoder: home till trigger, back off a little and home again, much slower
12:03 AM Tom_L: no
12:03 AM Tom_L: i just go slow to begin with
12:03 AM XXCoder: cool
12:03 AM XXCoder: im not sure how to do mine. i dont want smashy type
12:03 AM XXCoder: my cnc ruter will never have reprap style
12:03 AM XXCoder: right now, I just move it by jog then turn steppers off, turn till hit end by hand then rotate screw by hand once for all axis
12:03 AM XXCoder: leaves room both ends to prevent hitting (unless it happen to be missing stepos or something)]
12:03 AM XXCoder: if I needed it to be more repeatable I guess I would use metal block or something
12:04 AM Tom_L: maybe i'll get the Z switches in tomorrow
12:04 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Z_Axis_standoff_new.jpg
12:04 AM Tom_L: made that 2" longer too
12:05 AM Tom_L: the Z overhang
12:05 AM XXCoder: gave it virgina eh ;)
12:05 AM XXCoder: cant spell that medicine name :P
12:06 AM Contract_Pilot: tom prox sensor http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/20180111_214524-1024x576.jpg
12:06 AM Tom_L: did you find the one you were looking for?
12:07 AM Tom_L: someone was looking for a screw type roller switch
12:07 AM Tom_L: not sure if that was you or someone eles
12:07 AM Tom_L: else
12:07 AM Contract_Pilot: I found my prox switch
12:08 AM Contract_Pilot: I now have 5 of these spendy buggers floating arround http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/20180111_214305-1024x576.jpg
12:08 AM XXCoder: fancy
12:08 AM Tom_L: i may work on a belt guard for this tomorrow too: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Z_Motormount1.jpg
12:13 AM XXCoder: apple mac exploit: click login button few times, then type root as username and leave password blank
12:13 AM XXCoder: insane
12:13 AM roycroft: yeah, that's been known for a bit
12:13 AM roycroft: and is pretty bad
12:13 AM roycroft: anything interesting/useful i keep in encrypted filesystems
12:13 AM XXCoder: and when that was patched, any passwords work lol (similiar steps_
12:13 AM roycroft: i've been doing that for ages
12:14 AM roycroft: not that i don't care if someone gets root on my macs
12:14 AM roycroft: i certainly do
12:14 AM roycroft: but it wouldn't get them what they want
12:16 AM XXCoder: unless its hack to get into your session
12:17 AM Wolf__: that exploit doesnt work if a root pass has been set, pretty easy to fix yourself
12:19 AM roycroft: oh
12:19 AM roycroft: then i'm not vulnerable
12:19 AM roycroft: i didn't know that was the case, but i have set the root passwords
12:20 AM XXCoder: pretty stupid though, expecially second version of bug where any password is allowed
12:20 AM roycroft: on most unix and unix-like systems if you don't have the root password set then you don't have to enter any password to be root at the console
12:21 AM roycroft: so in that sense mac os would be more secure than most other unix systems
12:22 AM Contract_Pilot: Tom that machine you are building will be cool.
12:23 AM Tom_L: only time will tell for sure
12:26 AM XXCoder: lol https://youtu.be/Z4Fc4BJ5404
12:26 AM XXCoder: micro arcade
12:31 AM roycroft: so i'm watching the david letterman interview with president obama
12:32 AM roycroft: foxnews have made a huge deal out of the fact that the president said "if you watch fox news you live on a different planet"
12:32 AM roycroft: saying that the president is trashing fox news viewers
12:32 AM roycroft: what he said was "if you watch fox news you live on a different planet than people who listen to npr"
12:36 AM roycroft: and in the context of how divisive the country has become, and how differing points of view reinforce themselves by only interacting with people with their same point of view
12:36 AM XXCoder: nbc: dang hes racist. Fox: "that is how normal people speak"
12:36 AM roycroft: it was not in the least bit disparaging of fox news viewers
12:36 AM roycroft: he was making the point that the left only listen to the left and the right only listen to the right
12:36 AM roycroft: and that causes the rift between the left and the right to continue to grow
12:36 AM Wolf__: little do most know, that both sides are really full of the same shit
12:36 AM gloops: we had this american on TV speaking for trump yesterday, he truly put the fear of..something...into the lefties haha
12:36 AM gloops: i thought he was ok
12:36 AM gloops: see if i can find his name
12:36 AM XXCoder: fear of what?
12:36 AM gloops: well i was going to say God but the left dont have a God
12:37 AM XXCoder: interesting assumations
12:38 AM roycroft: wolf__: i know that well
12:38 AM roycroft: and if you've ever followed my conversations about politics you'll know that i am critical of both sides
12:39 AM gloops: doubt ill find him, it was posted on twitter
12:39 AM roycroft: are you talking about stephen miller?
12:39 AM gloops: youngish man, white, clean cut, had a bit of a southern accent, took no BS from the journalist
12:40 AM roycroft: yeah, stephen miller, the young punk asshole
12:40 AM gloops: hes a decent speaker
12:40 AM roycroft: heis not
12:40 AM XXCoder: lol that guy
12:40 AM roycroft: he is an asshole
12:40 AM roycroft: nothing more
12:40 AM roycroft: he shouts and bullies
12:40 AM XXCoder: guy who triedn to bypass all questions and sell
12:40 AM gloops: hes good for the cameras, i agreed with him
12:40 AM roycroft: that does not a decent speaker make
12:40 AM XXCoder: so news said fuck him and had security remove him
12:41 AM roycroft: well you're a bigot too, so that's not surprising
12:41 AM XXCoder: roy did you see his attempt to walk back "strong language"?
12:41 AM XXCoder: it was so lame
12:42 AM roycroft: i try to turn that guy off as quickly as possible when i see him
12:42 AM roycroft: i don't normally like such things, but i did kind of enjoy jake tapper totally shutting him down though
12:43 AM gloops: well going by the comments on twitter he caught the attention of the left here, they think hes satan
12:43 AM roycroft: he's not satan
12:43 AM XXCoder: or it might be "left" trolls
12:43 AM roycroft: he's an asshole
12:43 AM roycroft: and a sycophant
12:43 AM XXCoder: theres lot of "right" trolls also
12:43 AM XXCoder: I often check account and its emptu
12:43 AM roycroft: tapper was absolutely right
12:44 AM roycroft: miller was there for exactly one viewer - his boss
12:44 AM roycroft: if you think people behaving like that is acceptable then you're not someone i ever want to be around
12:45 AM roycroft: one can have disagreements on policy with others without trying to tear them apart
12:45 AM roycroft: that was beyond uncivil - it was downright nasty
12:45 AM XXCoder: yep. the "my way or bugger off" policy of GOP nowdays is dangerous
12:46 AM XXCoder: ACA took over 200 days of working in order to pass. tax reform had 2 hours of reading and debate before vote
12:46 AM roycroft: it was not tax "reform"
12:46 AM XXCoder: there was even unreadable handwritings on it
12:46 AM roycroft: please do not characterise it as such
12:46 AM roycroft: it was a gift to the donors
12:47 AM XXCoder: roy I know. I just call it what they called it. its more like steal money bill
12:47 AM roycroft: at the expense of the overwhelming majority of americans
12:47 AM gloops: it was lewandowski
12:47 AM roycroft: i haven't heard anyting from corey lewandowski for a long time
12:48 AM roycroft: he's not as big an asshole as miller
12:48 AM XXCoder: roy read the fire and fury?
12:48 AM gloops: https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/951921224229285889
12:49 AM roycroft: he's just a thug who beats up people who disagree with him
12:49 AM Contract_Pilot: Sup Wolf
12:49 AM roycroft: no xxcoder - you asked me about that already and i said that i hadn't and probably won't
12:49 AM gloops: he has beaten anyone up roycroft lol
12:49 AM gloops: hasnt
12:49 AM XXCoder: bleh ok heh. sometimes my memory sucks
12:49 AM Wolf__: Contract_Pilot: nm…
12:49 AM roycroft: yes, he has, during the campaign
12:50 AM roycroft: michael wolff is a decent journalist, but he is extremely biased
12:50 AM gloops: the thing is, two perspectives on immigration are being taken here
12:50 AM roycroft: and from what i've been able to ascertain, while there is a lot of truth in that book, there are also a lot of "stretches" of the truth, to be kind
12:51 AM roycroft: it's the same issue i have with much of michael moore's work
12:51 AM gloops: a) immigration as something beneficial for the economy and therefore the nation and its existing citizens
12:51 AM roycroft: moore is a gifted filmmaker
12:51 AM roycroft: but his bias lessens the impact of his films
12:51 AM Contract_Pilot: Still trying to get used to this android the settle diffreances in the apps
12:51 AM Contract_Pilot: compared to apple.
12:51 AM gloops: b) immigration as a fundamental human right beneficial for poor people who move to rich nations (even if to the detriment of the rich nation)
12:52 AM roycroft: the trump administration's position is "we need more white people and fewer not white people"
12:52 AM roycroft: and there is no other way to interpret it
12:52 AM XXCoder: roy yeah there was some factual errors but it might not be lying, he got data by interviews and well people isnt perfect. like me not rememering I asked heh
12:52 AM roycroft: and i am not going to get into it any further
12:52 AM Contract_Pilot: When i upload things to my web server it only lets me select 1 at a time on the iphone i could select multiple
12:52 AM gloops: roycroft do you know i cannot move to america?
12:52 AM roycroft: the point i was making earlier had nothing to do with policy
12:52 AM roycroft: i should hope not
12:52 AM roycroft: not with your attitude
12:52 AM gloops: because im white
12:52 AM roycroft: we have enough bigots here already
12:53 AM roycroft: far too many
12:53 AM roycroft: we don't need any more
12:53 AM gloops: you will take in any number of penniless africans, chinese, southern americans, no questions asked
12:53 AM roycroft: i'm trying to keep out of this
12:53 AM gloops: me, i cant come unless i bring half a million dollars
12:53 AM roycroft: so fuck off
12:53 AM roycroft: i do not want to discuss this with you
12:53 AM gloops: who is the bigot here?
12:53 AM roycroft: and i don't want to listen to your crap
12:53 AM XXCoder: still you
12:54 AM roycroft: so stop
12:54 AM roycroft: please
12:54 AM gloops: just for the record i didnt start this convo
12:54 AM XXCoder: roy honestly that book isnt best written I have ever read. its quite mendering all over, but interesting background connecting what I saw
12:54 AM roycroft: bullshit
12:55 AM roycroft: i mentioned that our former president said something that was taken out of context
12:55 AM roycroft: and you turned it into a whites are oppressed bullshit diatribe
12:55 AM roycroft: you totally shifted it to something i was not discussing at all and do not want to discuss
12:56 AM gloops: im not saying whites are oppressed im saying since kennedy americas immigration policy has been anti-white
12:56 AM XXCoder: you got what you wished
12:56 AM roycroft: so please do not discuss your "british supremacy" crap, or whatever it is, in my presence
12:56 AM gloops: i didnt wish for anything, doesnt bother me im not moving anyway
12:57 AM roycroft: it's beyond distasteful
12:57 AM gloops: but it is not a fair policy
12:57 AM roycroft: it's disgusting and repugnant
12:57 AM roycroft: you've gotten your rise out of me for the day
12:57 AM roycroft: so take your brownie point and go home
12:57 AM gloops: roycroft im not trolling anyone! i joined in a convo i posted a link with an american spokeman
12:58 AM * roycroft really needs to try harder to not take troll bait
12:58 AM gloops: never seen him before, maybe thats a good thing because ive got an inbiased view of what he said
12:58 AM XXCoder: inbased indeed
12:59 AM gloops: unbiased
12:59 AM XXCoder: ehh not so indeed
12:59 AM roycroft: i was looking into renting a storage unit so that i could move some stuff out of my welding shop so that i could move some stuff out of my garage shop so that i would have a bit more room
12:59 AM roycroft: even small storage units are going for $100/month now
12:59 AM XXCoder: yeah its insane
12:59 AM roycroft: so earlier i had the brilliant idea that i could build a little lean-to shelter onto my welding shop
12:59 AM XXCoder: if you have land, its cheaper to buy cargo box
01:00 AM XXCoder: its like 1k just over 10 months its basically free
01:00 AM roycroft: because i want to store metal and some old volkswagen engines, etc. to make the room
01:00 AM roycroft: and that stuff just needs shelter from the rain, but does not need to be enclosed
01:00 AM XXCoder: of course you gonna level, make stands and make it seal better, as well as make it lose water somehow
01:00 AM roycroft: it looks like i can build what i need for <$300
01:01 AM XXCoder: thats 3 months and it lasts "forever" compared
01:01 AM roycroft: that's <3 months rent at the storage unit
01:01 AM roycroft: last time i had a storage unit it was $35/month
01:01 AM roycroft: and at that price it's almost interesting
01:01 AM roycroft: but it looks like time for a little constrution project :)
01:02 AM roycroft: i should be able to build it in a weekend, easily
01:02 AM XXCoder: concerate floor?
01:02 AM roycroft: no floor needed
01:03 AM roycroft: just an open lean-to shed
01:03 AM XXCoder: ohhh bottomless pit is plenty of room
01:03 AM XXCoder: ;)
01:03 AM roycroft: i already have a gravel walk out there
01:03 AM roycroft: i just need to move a metal shelving unit outside the welding shop
01:03 AM roycroft: that would give me enough roo
01:03 AM roycroft: m
01:04 AM roycroft: i'd set the shelving unit on pressure treated wood pads on top of the gravel walk
01:04 AM XXCoder: I really wish "inside is bigger" tech from doctor who was real
01:04 AM roycroft: put a roof over it
01:04 AM roycroft: a sidewall at the end
01:04 AM XXCoder: that'd solve space issues very fast.
01:04 AM roycroft: and the rest would be open
01:04 AM roycroft: i'd also get some covered space outside to work in the rain without having to put up an ez-up first
01:04 AM roycroft: so that would be nice
01:06 AM roycroft: i could build a little shelter just for the shelving unit for $100 or less, but it seems that making it a bit bigger so that i'd have some outdoors covered work space would be nie
01:06 AM roycroft: i like to do most of my sanding and freehand routing outdoors
01:06 AM XXCoder: honestly cheap wood build scales up rapidly with money
01:06 AM roycroft: the majority of the cost would be the roofing
01:06 AM XXCoder: $100 more and you could do 5'x5' or so
01:07 AM roycroft: but even that's pretty cheap - i like to use corrugated metal roofing on such structures
01:07 AM XXCoder: even cheaper if theres someone wanting someone to remove old metal roof
01:07 AM roycroft: https://www.homedepot.com/p/8-ft-Corrugated-Galvanized-Steel-Utility-Gauge-Roof-Panel-13513/202092961
01:07 AM roycroft: that stuff is great, and cheap
01:07 AM XXCoder: nice
01:08 AM roycroft: and very easy to install
01:08 AM roycroft: and quite durable
01:08 AM XXCoder: I wonder, with probing could cnc router make shapes out of that lol
01:08 AM roycroft: that's the roofing i have over the lean-to shed that is next to my garage
01:08 AM roycroft: the roof that the tree fell on last winter
01:08 AM roycroft: and it just got dented a bit
01:08 AM roycroft: but no leaks, no real damage
01:09 AM XXCoder: not bad
01:09 AM XXCoder: might use that for mower and styff storage
01:11 AM roycroft: http://www.roycroft.us/Aspen/Aspen2.jpeg
01:11 AM roycroft: the section with the metal roofing is on the left
01:11 AM XXCoder: 500% more rustic than here
01:11 AM XXCoder: funny thing is that yours is more modern
01:12 AM XXCoder: house dont have overhangs here, they dont do that in 40s
01:12 AM roycroft: i had installed fiberglass roofing at first, but that only lasted a few years
01:12 AM roycroft: so i started replacing it with the metal stuff
01:12 AM roycroft: and i don't expect to ever have to replace that
01:12 AM XXCoder: you could mix it up though
01:13 AM roycroft: the metal roofing is cheaper than the fiberglass too
01:13 AM XXCoder: sections of fibverglass to let sun in
01:13 AM roycroft: yeah, but it's a lean-to shed
01:13 AM roycroft: i don't hang out there
01:13 AM XXCoder: and only small area so its cheap to keep replacing
01:13 AM roycroft: i go out to get stuff
01:13 AM roycroft: and then i leave
01:13 AM roycroft: i put a window in that shed because the garage has a window facing that window
01:13 AM enleth: OK, I've seen a lot of engrish labels on chinese tools
01:13 AM enleth: but this takes the cake: http://i.imgur.com/6irXqKg.jpg
01:14 AM roycroft: that's pretty good, enleth
01:14 AM XXCoder: do not fall again please
01:14 AM enleth: 6. Do not fall again please
01:14 AM enleth: how mindful of them
01:14 AM XXCoder: do not fail agin please ;)
01:14 AM enleth: this is a cable lug crimper
01:14 AM roycroft: is falling a failure condition?
01:15 AM enleth: and I literally cannot comprehend even a single one of those instructions
01:15 AM roycroft: what if you fall in love?
01:15 AM roycroft: is that a failure?
01:16 AM roycroft: i shall try to translate
01:16 AM roycroft: let me know if you think i am a fluent reader of engrish
01:18 AM enleth: OK, I think I get it
01:18 AM roycroft: 1. use the correct terminal lug for the application
01:18 AM enleth: pretty much
01:18 AM roycroft: 2. rotate the crimp dies until the correct one for the lug is in position
01:18 AM enleth: there's a "keep presure on the latch" too in there
01:19 AM enleth: or "rotate while keeping the pressure on the latch"
01:19 AM roycroft: i'm about to give up now :)
01:19 AM roycroft: but i'll forge ahead
01:19 AM enleth: 3. crimp dies on both sides must be set to the same size?
01:20 AM roycroft: maybe
01:20 AM enleth: 4. make sure the latch is back in locked position after rotating dies
01:20 AM roycroft: yeah, that's what i was thinking for that
01:20 AM XXCoder: must be same need unknown unknown
01:21 AM roycroft: 5. before making the crimp, fasten your seat belt so that the tool cannot knock you over
01:21 AM XXCoder: 5: make sure you don't drinkn too much beer
01:21 AM roycroft: or that
01:21 AM enleth: let's hope the tool is of better quality than the label
01:21 AM gloops: you gotta read between the lines enleth lol
01:22 AM XXCoder: very high quanuty tool
01:23 AM roycroft: https://www.ebay.com/itm/192411567783
01:23 AM roycroft: this is what i have
01:23 AM gloops: this stuff presents some problems for 3 axis https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/403283341622099090/
01:23 AM roycroft: and the instructions are written in english english
01:23 AM enleth: that's the good stuff
01:23 AM enleth: I got the mechanical ones that operate like bolt cutters
01:24 AM roycroft: i used to work in telecom central offices
01:24 AM enleth: had one pair before and they, well
01:24 AM enleth: they did what they were supoosed to do
01:24 AM roycroft: and i did not work for the telco
01:24 AM enleth: obviously I'd get a hydraulic set if I had to use it a lot
01:24 AM roycroft: they would not have let me in the door without the good stuff
01:24 AM enleth: roycroft: have you seen the electric-hydraulic ones?
01:24 AM roycroft: everything i did was inspected by the telco before we were allowed to power up our equipment
01:24 AM roycroft: yes
01:24 AM enleth: they look like a bulky cordless drill
01:25 AM roycroft: those are nice
01:25 AM roycroft: and if i were doing that kind of work on a regular basis these days i'd consider getting one
01:25 AM XXCoder: roy similiar with shop I work at. all my calipers and mics are certificated.
01:25 AM enleth: rather expensive, though
01:25 AM XXCoder: I doubt dial test indictor I just bought would pass it. but good enough for home!
01:25 AM roycroft: the dies for the burndy crimper have the die size etched into them
01:25 AM enleth: or more to the point - there aren't any cheap knockoffs
01:25 AM roycroft: so when i make the crimp the die size is embossed on the lug
01:26 AM enleth: oh, nice
01:26 AM roycroft: i was required to use lugs with inspection windows
01:26 AM roycroft: and i was required to cover the lugs with clear heat shrink tubing
01:26 AM roycroft: so that the inspector could see that 1. the wire was fully inserted into the lug, and 2. that the correct crimp die was used
01:27 AM roycroft: telcos hated us collocating in their central offices
01:27 AM roycroft: so they were extremely particular about their inspections
01:28 AM roycroft: my bosses did not like how long it took me to get things done
01:28 AM roycroft: but i never once failed an inspection
01:29 AM enleth: I suppose they had an accident or two happen before that made them implement those requirements
01:29 AM roycroft: bolts used in the racks were required to be at least flush with the nut
01:29 AM enleth: it only takes one sloppy worker to cause millions in damages
01:29 AM roycroft: but could not protrude more than 1-1/2 threads from the nut
01:29 AM roycroft: and must have no sharp edges
01:29 AM roycroft: no cutting or grinding tools were allowed in the co
01:29 AM roycroft: so when i would install a bolt, i would pre-install it
01:30 AM roycroft: mark where to cut it with a sharpie
01:30 AM roycroft: go outside
01:30 AM roycroft: cut it and grind it smooth
01:30 AM roycroft: go back inside and install it
01:30 AM roycroft: and the move on to the next nut
01:30 AM roycroft: er, the next bolt
01:30 AM enleth: were there that many different lengths required?
01:31 AM enleth: sounds like it would be cheaper to carry a couple bags of bolts in 1mm increments across the useful range
01:31 AM roycroft: yes, pretty much most things were custom length
01:31 AM roycroft: i'm in the us
01:31 AM roycroft: bolts come usually in 1/4" increments
01:31 AM roycroft: and 1/4" is more than 1-1/2 threads
01:32 AM enleth: did they ever elaborate on what installation method *they* used to comply with that requirement?
01:33 AM roycroft: they do the exact same thing
01:34 AM roycroft: much of that work was done making attachments to the overhead ladder rack, which was installed by the telco and was generally fairly random
01:35 AM roycroft: we did a lot of attachments with threaded rod as well, and the threads could not be exposed
01:35 AM roycroft: and things move about when attaching, so again, we'd install the threaded rod
01:35 AM roycroft: mark where to cut it
01:35 AM roycroft: measure the length of the heat shrink tubing needed to cover the threads
01:36 AM roycroft: go outside, cut the rod and heat shrink tubing
01:36 AM roycroft: go back inside and do final installtion
01:36 AM enleth: I wonder what they'd say if someone hauled in a very small watchmaker's lathe in to turn those bolts shorter. "you only banned *grinding* tools, right?"
01:36 AM roycroft: drilling holes in the floor was a lot of fun
01:36 AM roycroft: mark the hole
01:37 AM roycroft: get out some vasoline and make a dam around the hole location
01:37 AM roycroft: get drill ready
01:37 AM roycroft: NO impact operation - only rotary action allowed
01:37 AM roycroft: second person would continuously spray water on the end of the drill while it was operating
01:37 AM roycroft: third person would hold a vacuum right next to the drill bit the whole time
01:38 AM XXCoder: sounds fun
01:38 AM enleth: surely a HEPA certified vacuum
01:38 AM roycroft: most of the central offices were old, and had been drilled many times in the past
01:38 AM roycroft: yes, hepa vacuum
01:38 AM roycroft: so after the holes were drilled, the inspector would come by
01:39 AM roycroft: if there were any voids in the hole (besides the hole itself) we would have to fill the hole with grout and redrill
01:39 AM XXCoder: ugh
01:39 AM roycroft: sometimes a small hole would take a liter or two of grout, if the void was big
01:39 AM XXCoder: what a void-ist ;)
01:39 AM roycroft: after redrilling the grout, it would be inspected again
01:40 AM roycroft: and we'd repeat that until there were no more voides
01:40 AM enleth: roycroft: honestly, after having cleaned a couple servers that pulled in construction dust, I can see where they're coming from
01:40 AM enleth: still must've been fun
01:40 AM roycroft: then we had to use bolts with break-away heads
01:40 AM roycroft: and show the heads to the inspector after installing them
01:40 AM roycroft: i completely understand the procedures
01:40 AM roycroft: i never complained
01:40 AM roycroft: my bosses are the ones who complained
01:41 AM roycroft: they would say "go install that equipment rack"
01:41 AM roycroft: and i would say "ok, i need two people and it will take a day"
01:42 AM roycroft: plus, we had to submit a mop (method of procedure) and have it approved by the central office manager before we were permitted to do any work
01:42 AM roycroft: that usually took at least a couple days, so i could not install anything quickly
01:42 AM roycroft: telco central offices are more bureaucratic than the military, i think
01:43 AM roycroft: but i developed very good work habits doing that stuff
01:43 AM roycroft: cable layout and lacing is a whole other story :)
01:44 AM enleth: with the fines (both administrative and contractual) penalties they get for outages, I can't say I blame them
01:44 AM enleth: *and penalties
01:44 AM roycroft: posession of a tie wrap was grounds for expulsion :)
01:44 AM roycroft: yes
01:44 AM XXCoder: 100 9s uptime eh ;)
01:44 AM roycroft: there is a *lot* going on in those offices
01:45 AM roycroft: and the tiniest flaw in one's work could cause a significant outage
01:45 AM enleth: BTW, I can see the chinese tool designers did some optimization on that lug crimper - I have an almost identical older one that I converted into a sector cable rounder (thus the need to buy another one, can't get just the dies for those) and the new one has a much simpler latching mechanism - but the main body is still stamped with the holes the older, more complex latch needed
01:45 AM enleth: those holes do absolutely nothing now
01:46 AM roycroft: in fairness to the telcos, their rule was "you will follow the exact same rules our own personnel do, no more and no less"
01:46 AM enleth: but they probably still use the same punches and dies to make the whole thing
01:46 AM roycroft: yes, i was just going to say that they probably did not bother retooling for the new model
01:46 AM enleth: actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they still order new tooling with those holes accounted for
01:46 AM roycroft: if the new model needs additional holes, they just made the old one and then added the new holes
01:47 AM enleth: just because it would take effort to remove them from the design
01:47 AM roycroft: yes
01:47 AM roycroft: chinese manufacturers excel at saving cost
01:48 AM enleth: but they changed the die clearance, the new ones actually latch closed pretty hard
01:49 AM roycroft: yay
01:49 AM roycroft: my replacement vfd panel shipped, and will arrive on monday
01:49 AM roycroft: i only ordered the original one in november
01:50 AM enleth: that reminds me I have to ping my TRICO distributor to see if they can get those oil metering units I asked about two weeks ago
01:54 AM enleth: I'd like to finally put that mill back together but the new oilers need to go in before that
02:04 AM gloops: well, groundhog day again
02:05 AM enleth: oh, I just realized the one issue I have with those modern plastic grip keyless drill chucks on cordless drills
02:05 AM enleth: they don't seem to be serviceable
02:05 AM enleth: and sooner or later they get full of dust
02:06 AM jesseg: oh I always wondered how to get those apart.
02:06 AM jesseg: I guess the answer is you don't? :P
02:06 AM enleth: a Jacobs or Albrecht keyless can be taken apart and it's officially documented
02:07 AM enleth: but it requires pressing them open by applying pressure to surfaces that just aren't there on a cordless drill chuck
02:07 AM gloops: not much is designed to be serviceable these days
02:07 AM enleth: or they are there, but they're plastic
02:07 AM jesseg: I actually have a dewalt cordless drill with a burnt up motor.. I guess I could destructively learn the assembly method on the chuck :P
02:07 AM XXCoder: convert it to cnc mill chuck collet
02:07 AM Deejay: moin
02:07 AM enleth: the one saving grace is that the chucks can be taken off the drill
02:08 AM enleth: and pressure-washed with ATF
02:08 AM enleth: but it's messier and harder than just taking them apart
02:08 AM gloops: just keep blasting wd40 in
02:08 AM enleth: nope, that will attract even more gunk
02:08 AM gloops: jesseg i wont buy any more dewalt power tools
02:09 AM enleth: WD40 is a duct tape equivalent for when something needs to move but doesn't
02:09 AM XXCoder: wd40 is great on seperating and removing waater, but can clean em off with alchol then use normal grease I guess
02:09 AM enleth: gets the job done but it's not a long term solution
02:09 AM gloops: enleth ive used cordless drill/drivers for a number of years, they probably arent expected to last any longer
02:09 AM enleth: leaving it inside any complex mechanism means trouble, the lighter components evaporate and leave behind a layer of goo
02:09 AM enleth: it's supposed to be corrosion protection and it is
02:10 AM enleth: but dust sticks to it
02:10 AM gloops: i had a panasonic cordless that was much older though
02:11 AM jesseg: gloops, this one was given to me, dead. :P
02:11 AM jesseg: I use Ridged cordless drill, although I doubt its any better than dewalt.
02:11 AM gloops: bosch, makita, hitachi - good experiences, but not dewalt
02:11 AM XXCoder: dewalts at work are very very abused
02:11 AM XXCoder: still works fine
02:12 AM XXCoder: I used one dewalt to bolt and bolt off. 750 times each
02:12 AM enleth: it's like cell phone companies
02:12 AM gloops: XXCoder i bought brand new higher range dewalt power tools, they all had issues very quickly, the repair shop wouldnt touch them
02:12 AM XXCoder: thats 1500 uses of drill
02:12 AM enleth: there's someone with a horror story for each one of them
02:12 AM XXCoder: one day.
02:13 AM XXCoder: I worked on that same thing 3 days
02:13 AM XXCoder: just glad I didnt get one arm bigger and accusion of rod polishing too much
02:14 AM IchGucksLive: Morning from Germany
02:14 AM XXCoder: super early morning from tacoma
02:14 AM jesseg: Good Morning to Germany, since it's the middle of the night here :D
02:15 AM gloops: enleth you could be right, if you have a bad experience with a brand you tend to hear a lot of bad about it, and avoid it, same with cars or anything i suppose
02:15 AM roycroft: my dewalt 18v tools were great
02:15 AM gloops: a lot of people might think theyre great
02:15 AM roycroft: but old battery technology
02:15 AM roycroft: when i switched to modern lithium ion batteries i went with milwauke fuel
02:15 AM roycroft: and those tools are amazing
02:15 AM roycroft: the fuel line are brushless
02:16 AM jesseg: that's nice
02:16 AM Wolf__: milwaukee tools ftw
02:16 AM jesseg: but when's the last time you saw a cordless tool die due to worn out brushes? Seems something else fails first :P
02:16 AM roycroft: and even though they're also 18v they are *much* more powerful than my dewalt
02:16 AM gloops: the motors were great, very good performance, but stupid niggling faults, pretty inhibiting faults, a jigsaw that whops straight through 2 inch timber - but the guide bearings are always loose
02:16 AM XXCoder: jesseg: dunno, dewalts 2 batteries is shot, and drills look very beaten up but still works fine
02:17 AM jesseg: XXCoder, yeah. And this dewalt someone gave me with a burnt motor winding -- the brushes look almost new :P
02:17 AM XXCoder: hard to tell whenever those drill will ever die
02:17 AM gloops: Wolf not really a relevant comparison but i bought an old walker turner pillar drill, milwaukee bought walker turner - im very impressed, to say its 50 year old heh
02:17 AM jesseg: I suppose brushless are a little more efficient so you get a little more work per charge
02:18 AM XXCoder: pillar drill will drill :P
02:18 AM roycroft: i still have a makita 7.2v drill that i bought in the early or mid 80s that still works fine, with the original two batteries i got with it
02:18 AM XXCoder: wonder if thats toguetwister
02:18 AM roycroft: i can't believe they still work
02:18 AM Wolf__: I have a good bit of milwaukee cordless m18 and m12 tools
02:18 AM roycroft: i charge them up every year or to just to see if they still work
02:18 AM roycroft: i have some m12 tools as well, wolf__
02:18 AM gloops: i love tools where things feel solid, you turn a clamp and it bites perfectly, rock solid
02:18 AM roycroft: that was my first foray into milwaukee battery tools
02:18 AM gloops: thats what i like to feel
02:19 AM roycroft: i wanted a drill and impact tool that were smaller and lighter than the 18v dewalt
02:19 AM Wolf__: brushless m18 I have deep cut bandsaw, 5” grinder, 1/2 impact gun
02:19 AM roycroft: and i loved the m12 tools so much that i started getting m18 fuel tools
02:20 AM Wolf__: oh, 7 1/4” saw and 10” miter saw both cordless
02:20 AM roycroft: i bought the 7-1/4" fuel saw and returned it the same day
02:21 AM gloops: a lot of tradesmen are moving to cordless everything here, because corded tools now need a pat2 test
02:21 AM roycroft: it did not feel right to me
02:21 AM roycroft: unbalanced
02:21 AM roycroft: the base locking screw was funky
02:21 AM roycroft: i don't remember what part specifically, but there was some part that should have been metal that was plastic
02:22 AM roycroft: and the arbor is round, not diamond
02:22 AM roycroft: so i could not share blades with my skilsaw
02:22 AM roycroft: it's the only milwaukee battery took that's been a disappointment
02:22 AM Wolf__: all works good for me lol
02:23 AM roycroft: the jigsaw is not as nice as my corded bosch that i've had for 30 or so years
02:23 AM roycroft: but it's still a nice jigsaw
02:23 AM Wolf__: haven’t replaced my corded jigsaw yet
02:23 AM roycroft: when i'm near ac power i always use the bosch
02:24 AM roycroft: but when i'm not the milwaukee is fine
02:24 AM enleth: roycroft: I'm pretty sure I've seen adapter inserts to use diamond hole blades on round arbor tool
02:24 AM roycroft: i rarely use a corded drill any more
02:24 AM roycroft: yeah, there are adapters
02:24 AM roycroft: but then you have to stick the adapter in every time you install a blade
02:24 AM roycroft: and in fairness, i've not seen a battery saw with a diamond arbor
02:24 AM roycroft: so it's not just a milwaukee thing
02:25 AM roycroft: if it weren't for the other issues, i'd probably have kept it and maintained two sets of saw blades
02:25 AM roycroft: no one problem caused me to take it back - it was the cumulation of little things that made it not worthwhile to me
02:26 AM roycroft: i still have my dewalt 5" battery saw
02:26 AM roycroft: but i only have one or two dewalt batteries that will still hold a charge, and nowhere near a full charge
02:26 AM roycroft: it's really time to just get rid of all the dewalt battery tools
02:27 AM roycroft: i'm not good at getting rid of tools
02:27 AM roycroft: i'm pretty good about purging other stuff, but i tend to hang on to tools
02:27 AM roycroft: i think i'm approaching a point where i have too many tools htough
02:28 AM roycroft: which i used to think impossible
02:28 AM Wolf__: I have the same issue
02:28 AM XXCoder: as soon as you think its impossible, life proves you wrong
02:28 AM roycroft: i have been selling off a few things
02:28 AM Wolf__: I need to sell off 5 circular saws
02:29 AM gloops: i need to drill 40 holes
02:29 AM gloops: no more like 60
02:29 AM Wolf__: I need to drill more holes in my lathe
02:30 AM enleth: back when battery tools used 12V NiCd batteries, it was still possible to use one without a battery - using a beefy car battery charger
02:30 AM enleth: now, oftentimes not so much
02:31 AM enleth: as the tool will refuse to work with that weirdo misbehaving battery
02:31 AM Wolf__: damn smart packs
02:31 AM gloops: you can buy the dry cells for cordless batteries, ive thrown no end away because the batteries went duff, never repaired any yet
02:32 AM gloops: probably not the case with lithium
02:32 AM roycroft: why do my old makita nicads still work 30+ years later?
02:33 AM gloops: never been wet, never been left without charging for months
02:33 AM enleth: because you did not kill them with memory effect, either by accident (your usage pattern just didn't cause it), or you knew about it and took effort to avoid it
02:33 AM roycroft: i paid no attention to memory effect
02:33 AM XXCoder: "many Western Digital MyCloud NAS drives have a hardcoded backdoor, meaning anyone can access them -- your files are at risk. It isn't even hard to take advantage of it -- the username is "mydlinkBRionyg" and the password is "abc12345cba" (without quotes)"
02:33 AM enleth: so you might have been lucky
02:34 AM XXCoder: fuck cloud devices
02:34 AM roycroft: and as i said, i let them sit around for a year or two now, charge them just to see if they still work, and put them away again
02:34 AM roycroft: aren't they supposed to be fully charged more often than that?
02:34 AM XXCoder: lathium ion dont really have memory effect but zero point damages batteries
02:34 AM enleth: OTOH most new LiION packs use 18650 cells, so getting spares is easy
02:34 AM XXCoder: zero charge left
02:34 AM roycroft: i haven't dealt with any other nicads for so long i don't remember how they're supposed to be maintained
02:34 AM enleth: opening the pack and spot welding the new cells in might still be a PITA
02:34 AM gloops: the ones ive had die are when ive come back to them when theyve been unused for ages
02:35 AM gloops: or got wet
02:35 AM Wolf__: nicad will act like the work until you put a load on them
02:35 AM roycroft: i actually do use the drill when i test the
02:35 AM roycroft: m
02:35 AM gloops: i usually lose the batteries before they die though
02:35 AM roycroft: i would never put the drill back in service though
02:35 AM Wolf__: then then again my cordless stuff gets heavy use
02:36 AM roycroft: at 7.2v, and being 1st gen battery tools, it's just too slow and has too little torque to be fun to use
02:36 AM roycroft: plus, it has a 1/4" chuck
02:36 AM Wolf__: had to replace motors in the drills a few times
02:36 AM roycroft: that drill came in a metal case - that's how old it is :)
02:36 AM Wolf__: lol
02:37 AM Wolf__: m12 drills used to run 1/2” holes in truck frame all day long
02:38 AM roycroft: i almost broke my elbow drilling a big hole in steel with my m18
02:38 AM roycroft: i wasn't using the auxiliary handle
02:38 AM roycroft: and the drill caught in the hole
02:38 AM gloops: the older batteries have a dozen or so cells, the battery stops if one cell dies as i remember, it looks a fairly easy fix to change a cell
02:39 AM Wolf__: I did that drilling with a extended wall drill, bit jammed on a nail
02:39 AM roycroft: i try to use the second handle whenever i drill a hole bigger than 3/8" in steel now
02:39 AM roycroft: i was really on the verge of hurting myself seriously when that happened
02:40 AM roycroft: letting go of it a split second later and something would have snapped
02:40 AM roycroft: i was impressed with how much torque that drill has
02:48 AM gloops: well, the garage is calling, this has become a death us do part project
02:48 AM gloops: the garden grew wild, the drive became piled up with junk, jobs were lost, xmas came and went
02:49 AM gloops: 3 relations died and i did not look up from my labours
03:09 AM fragalot: 'llo
03:11 AM IchGucksLive: o9ff for milolingf
03:20 AM fragalot_ is now known as fragalot
04:42 AM jthornton: morning
04:45 AM fragalot: mornin'
04:46 AM fragalot: drawing stuff in Fusion360 is so frustratingly slow if you're used to Inventor >.> so far i've only gotten this far on my concept drawing... https://imgur.com/a/zi4EG
04:48 AM archivist: takes no time in solidworks :)
04:48 AM jthornton: I've managed to draw a cube in 360 lol
04:49 AM fragalot: archivist: don't have a license for that i'm afraid :P
04:49 AM fragalot: and since I changed jobs I also have no more access to Inventor
04:51 AM gloops: pencil and paper
04:51 AM Wolf__: cardboard aided design
04:52 AM archivist: inside rear of skull 3d visualisation
04:52 AM fragalot: gloops: pleb, wax paper and rotring pens or bust!
04:53 AM gloops: you should also learn elizabethan script for annotation
04:54 AM gloops: with a goose quill
04:54 AM gloops: ive lost a slotted plate, unbelievable
04:55 AM gloops: the holy grail is right there before me to grab and its one delay after another
04:55 AM fragalot: xD
04:56 AM gloops: 4 rails on the x fragalot?
04:57 AM fragalot: yes
04:57 AM fragalot: on the Y
04:57 AM gloops: youve got some work there
04:57 AM fragalot: yup
04:57 AM archivist: thicker plate and just two rails
04:58 AM fragalot: went to the post office today to clear out their storage
04:58 AM fragalot: so now i've also got the spindle, leadscrews, rails, motors, drivers, PSU's, VFD and a pendant
04:59 AM jthornton: wow 4 linear rails in parallel that will be a chore to align
04:59 AM gloops: cant say ive tried but i can imagine it being a nightmare
05:00 AM fragalot: I plan on starting with just 2, but i want the option of adding 2 more if I feel there is a need
05:00 AM Wolf__: if the rails are bad enough they shouldn’t be hard to align with all the slop
05:00 AM gloops: i have seen where rails have been doubled up on the z though
05:01 AM gloops: well, youve 8 blocks, whats the tolerance on those? .05mm? less
05:02 AM gloops: 0.00625 per block to play with, linear, diagonally etc
05:04 AM fragalot: should be doable if I take my time imho
05:04 AM fragalot: as long as I don't open the door when it's cold out
05:06 AM gloops: it will be a machine of unparalleled accuracy
05:07 AM archivist: or built in in accuracy that cannot be adjusted
05:07 AM gloops: it will be going where it goes lol
05:08 AM fragalot: just like 2 rails would if you don't do it right there
05:08 AM fragalot: sure, it's exponentially more difficult to add more rails, but it's not impossible
05:08 AM fragalot: and like i said - the first build will only have 2 rails
05:09 AM fragalot: the others are just "in case" I feel that I may need more support at a later stage, so the scraped rails are large enough to accomodate another set
05:09 AM gloops: how about 4 blocks on each rail, 2 rails
05:09 AM fragalot: don't need the added length
05:09 AM fragalot: I could maybe fit 3 carriages
05:10 AM archivist: I have 5 a side on one axis
05:12 AM gloops: adding more rails will be less deflection, but using larger rails would do the same
05:12 AM gloops: adding more blocks more points of contact, less backlash or play
05:13 AM gloops: assuming they are all slightly out of line and preload the fitting
05:16 AM gloops: right, pulleys going on 2 axis, ill carry on and hope the plate turns up, another 10 minute job turned into an hour
05:18 AM archivist: will have to get you a book on time planning.../me ducks and runs
06:55 AM gloops: pulleys bolted on straight through the ballscrew
06:55 AM gloops: i might do the same with the motors
07:02 AM miss0r: My new 25mm ballnut & screw should be delivered later today :] Can't wait.
07:08 AM gloops: for the milling machine miss0r?
07:08 AM miss0r: yep
07:08 AM miss0r: I had it re-balled a few month ago, but it didn't quite do the trick. So now I'm replacing it
07:08 AM gloops: i still cant get my head round wether a wobbling timing pulley will affect the scale/degree
07:09 AM miss0r: it will
07:09 AM gloops: i need a new one anyway so may as well order one now
07:09 AM gloops: when i look at it, i cant see how it will miss0r
07:10 AM gloops: it will affect tension thats simple enough
07:10 AM miss0r: one rotation of the pulley wil amount to the same travel. but 1/2 rotation might not be half travel
07:10 AM miss0r: think of it like so: you are changing the gearing
07:11 AM gloops: its locked to the shaft though and the belt and the other pulley
07:11 AM miss0r: at one state the distance from center to the point being pulled is longer than another point
07:11 AM gloops: only the degree will affect the other pulley?
07:11 AM gloops: not the distance
07:11 AM miss0r: i.e. a change of gearing (ever so slightly thou)
07:11 AM miss0r: wobbly = off center?
07:12 AM gloops: off centre
07:12 AM miss0r: then each step of the stepper will vary in distance traveled (but ever so slightly, mind you)
07:12 AM gloops: im not arguing btw im just not seeing it lol
07:13 AM miss0r: I'm not sure how to put it :] but it will affect the accuracy
07:14 AM gloops: well its got to be on for general testing anyway so it will show then
07:14 AM gloops: along with a boatload of other stuff probably heh
07:14 AM miss0r: Still looking forward to thoes pictures ;)
07:15 AM gloops: oh just a bit of box section and some screws and stuff, seen one seen em all
07:15 AM miss0r: meh... :)
07:16 AM gloops: its hopefully going in its final position tommorrow, then im gonna unscrew all the motors off the old one, still wired, the bob, psu spindle everything, put them on a board, carry them to the new one and screw them straight on
07:19 AM MarcelineVQ: just as further confirmation, is your pulley's wobble eccentric?
07:19 AM gloops: its drilled off centre
07:21 AM gloops: the garage is going to be like a blocked drain releasing
07:22 AM gloops: the old machine goes - about 5x4ft space, 3 smaller machines and boxes go under the new machine, it will go from crammed to spacey very quick
07:28 AM miss0r: nice
07:28 AM miss0r: I can envy that
07:29 AM gloops: change the centre of a gear will affect the degree actually, although the teeth are still the same distance apart on the circumference, the angle from them to the new centre will not be equal
07:30 AM gloops: so it will affect accuracy
07:32 AM archivist: gloops wobbling pulley adds a sinewave error on top, rather than a scale error
07:32 AM gloops: not sure what that means archivist
07:33 AM gloops: say a 1.8 degree step equates to 3mm rotation on the circumference, shaft bang in centre
07:33 AM archivist: something like http://www.archivist.info/cnc/wormtest/plot_normalised3.php
07:35 AM gloops: if you move the shaft from the centre, the distance to the circumference varies, therefore the distance travelled on the circumference by a 1.8 step varies also
07:35 AM archivist: yes something like that
07:35 AM archivist: varies with angle see sine function
07:38 AM archivist: gloops, this is when I measured my "new to me" ball screw http://www.archivist.info/cnc/screw_error/
07:38 AM gloops: a .25mm wobble wont produce a .25 error in angle though, much less i guess
07:39 AM XXCoder: fuck. I hate being just sick enough to can't sleep
07:40 AM archivist: the error in distance will be the sine of the angle (or something)
07:40 AM gloops: interesting archivist, a lot of things could be accumulating to make that
07:40 AM gloops: my approach is to do the close analysis when the bloody thing is running
07:40 AM archivist: lots of error sources that add up/subtract making a total error
07:40 AM gloops: i.e from analysing what it does/cuts
07:42 AM archivist: it you graph like I did over a long enough distance the sources can be separated out with a bit of skill and guesswork
07:43 AM archivist: a drunken thread on your screw will give a similar error :)
07:43 AM gloops: the y axis screw looks pretty drunk lol
07:43 AM XXCoder: man get a teetotaler screw ;)
07:44 AM gloops: i got those from a different supplier to the others, theres something drunk about it definitely
07:44 AM Tom_L: gloops, i'm feeling your pain. took all evening to mount the Y limits: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Y_Axis_limitswitches1.jpg
07:44 AM archivist: it is a shame my thread measuring machine only works over an inch
07:44 AM gloops: magnetic Tom?
07:45 AM Tom_L: no, just cheapass switches
07:45 AM XXCoder: gloops: the url has answer in it :)
07:45 AM gloops: oh yeah i see them
07:45 AM gloops: ive got the cheapest on ebay, theyre about 6 inch long lol
07:45 AM Tom_L: Z to go then that task is done
07:46 AM XXCoder: tom what will your machine be able to machine? alum? steel?
07:46 AM gloops: awkward to drill there Tom
07:46 AM XXCoder: inocel?
07:46 AM gloops: archivist you missed that thread correction lathe - it was in derby
07:47 AM XXCoder: adamitum? ;)
07:47 AM archivist: I was not going to spend silly money
07:47 AM archivist: gloops, I have real thread measuring http://www.archivist.info/cnc/screw_error/lamp_screw.php
07:47 AM gloops: Tom will be millig zirconium
07:47 AM archivist: cost me more in fuel to fetch than buy :)
07:50 AM XXCoder: gloops: looks like tough metal? not sure heh
07:50 AM Tom_L: is it bad to use blue loctite on aluminum?
07:50 AM gloops: i dont know how you find the time
07:50 AM sync: Tom_L: no
07:51 AM gloops: XXCoder tbh ive never seen it, my uncle worked at a rolling mill, they hated zirconium apparently, very hard, maybe some zirconium alloy or something
07:51 AM Tom_L: i gotta go get some today i think. i've got red but don't think i'd better use that
07:51 AM archivist: gloops lathe is still for sale, relisted
07:51 AM gloops: archivist any cheaper?
07:51 AM sync: red is just harder to loosen, but on aluminium the breakaway strength is lower anyway
07:52 AM archivist: gloops 159 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRYANT-amp-SYMONS-lead-screws-amp-pitch-correction-lathe-from-a-watchmakers-workshop-/152860906008
07:53 AM gloops: strange thing
07:53 AM XXCoder: isnt blue the cold break lockete?
07:54 AM sync: you can also loosen the high strength one without heating the thread
07:55 AM XXCoder: archivist: nice pics
07:57 AM archivist: which ones?
07:57 AM XXCoder: your thread mesduring thing
07:58 AM archivist: amused myself doing that write up
07:58 AM XXCoder: did a draft read also, decent writeup
08:01 AM Wolf__: *grumbles* why does this mill table have to have what seems to be odd spacing
08:01 AM XXCoder: what is standard table spacing anyway
08:01 AM Wolf__: looks like 5” center slots
08:03 AM Wolf__: at least for the 6” vice i’m looking at
08:09 AM Wolf__: I’m still stuck debating between a 4” or 6” (or maybe 5”)… can’t make up my damn mind lol
08:09 AM IchGucksLive: hi
08:11 AM XXCoder: hey
08:11 AM XXCoder: Wolf__: fun part of life heh
08:12 AM Wolf__: right lol
08:12 AM Wolf__: doesnt help that good vice is $$$
08:12 AM XXCoder: kurts all over at work, and so expensive
08:12 AM XXCoder: it kurts your wallet also
08:13 AM archivist: Wolf__, if both bolts are in the same slot it is a dont care anyway
08:14 AM Wolf__: yup, Kurt DX6 $540, GPV-615 $599
08:14 AM XXCoder: theres in least 15 at cell alone
08:15 AM XXCoder: I guess theres around 20 more around the shop
08:15 AM XXCoder: I cant imange the price
08:16 AM sync: pretty low tho
08:16 AM XXCoder: anyway whats important is that it works fine
08:17 AM sync: I think my 6" grinding vises were 1.5k€ each
08:17 AM XXCoder: sync: honestly im talking about ones I know. there might be more lol shop has umm 12? lathes, 15 singles , 2 cells (one dead)
08:17 AM XXCoder: they said they will get a new cell but may be while
08:18 AM nallar is now known as Ross
08:19 AM Wolf__: sync: ouch
08:19 AM sync: yeah but still, XXCoder
08:19 AM sync: even if one of the vises is 1k, that is not a lot of money all in all
08:19 AM XXCoder: it is for me lol
08:20 AM XXCoder: whole shop I guess is in least 20 million bucks?
08:20 AM XXCoder: one cell alone is over 5 million bucks
08:20 AM sync: yes, so the vise cost is insignificant
08:20 AM sync: which is my point
08:20 AM XXCoder: for a shop yeah
08:21 AM sync: Wolf__: well, they are within 2µm in height on all relevant surfaces
08:21 AM sync: so you can parallel them up
08:21 AM Wolf__: that will do it lol
08:21 AM XXCoder: heh one of tool broke in blackout 2 days ago, it killed all 5 inserts
08:21 AM XXCoder: inserts is $40 each
08:21 AM XXCoder: thats bit less that half value of vice lol
08:22 AM sync: yes, tooling is the most expensive thing in the shop
08:22 AM nallar is now known as Ross
08:22 AM sync: but you can optimize your costs pretty well if you choose your tooling cleverly
08:23 AM XXCoder: it can be hard but yeah
08:23 AM XXCoder: some materials is just "fuck you" basically
08:23 AM XXCoder: like inocel and fiberglass
08:23 AM sync: fiberglass is not so bad
08:24 AM sync: tooling lasts very long, you just have to get the right tools
08:24 AM XXCoder: some tools last pretty good but drill heads last maybe 10 parts, and long thin endmill for making groove lasts maybe 5 parts
08:24 AM XXCoder: tool inserts last 5 to 15 parts (that one varies a lot)
08:25 AM XXCoder: order is typically 40 parts and 3 jobs of 3 types of same part
08:25 AM sync: I probably would not even use insert tooling on gfrp
08:26 AM XXCoder: theres better tools im sure but shop too cheao
08:27 AM sync: can't be very cost effective then
08:28 AM XXCoder: dunno heh
08:28 AM XXCoder: the long endmill is really cheap kind
08:28 AM XXCoder: good since it breaks all time, because it have to be over 3 inches long
08:28 AM XXCoder: otherwise it would smash into boss
08:29 AM XXCoder: I bet though-spindle coolant would make tools last much longer
08:29 AM XXCoder: but new fadal is too old for that
08:30 AM XXCoder: same time fiberglass clay would probably kill though-spindle coolant so hard
08:30 AM jthornton: anyone use Domoticz? seems cool if I can figure it out lol
08:31 AM sync: why would it kill it, it will just get stuck in your coolant filter
08:32 AM XXCoder: yeah npo
08:32 AM XXCoder: sure it blocks most of em
08:32 AM XXCoder: but it doesnt block all of em
08:42 AM Tom_shop: JT-Shop, is it X-10 ish or something better?
08:42 AM Tom_shop: never heard of it
08:42 AM jthornton: it's pc based home automation it looks like
08:43 AM jthornton: I installed it this morning to try and see my rpi camera but it seems to be more for controlling stuff like lights etc
08:43 AM Tom_shop: i was more wondering about the sensor availability
08:51 AM gloops: she would kill me haha https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Centec-Milling-Machine/222790644638?
08:52 AM XXCoder: looks tiny :P
08:52 AM XXCoder: really it looks maybe a meter tall?
08:52 AM gloops: does actually, and very versatile
08:52 AM gloops: i mean not very versatile
08:53 AM gloops: not far from me
08:54 AM XXCoder: look close, blurry pics may hide some nice and fun flaws
08:54 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VICTORIA-HORIZONTAL-MILLING-MACHINE/282798665678? too far
08:54 AM XXCoder: like cracks
08:55 AM archivist: victoria is probably 5 times the weight
08:56 AM XXCoder: far and far too heavy ;)
08:57 AM gloops: that centec is probably the ideal size for most things youd do in a garage, horizontal mill can do a lot
08:58 AM gloops: a 4ft lathe is good twice a year, the rest of time 4 inch is big enough
08:58 AM Wolf__: my friends shop has a few horizontal mills
08:58 AM Wolf__: the use the hell out of them for cutting fullers in swords lol
08:59 AM gloops: surfacing, gear cutting, loads of things
08:59 AM archivist: mine is similar size to the victoria
09:01 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spark-Eroder-EDM-Machine-Die-Sinker-Hurco/322989021006?
09:01 AM gloops: cheap..atm
09:03 AM sync: XXCoder: it will block all of them
09:04 AM XXCoder: trust me it does not. :)
09:04 AM sync: large sock prefilter and cartridge filter will filter like 99.999% of all crap
09:04 AM sync: it will
09:04 AM XXCoder: I know because I clean crap out
09:04 AM XXCoder: both sides of filters
09:04 AM gregcnc_: filtering to 5um is common isn't it?
09:05 AM XXCoder: not sure size but other side is very very fine
09:05 AM XXCoder: if you let it dry on skin it gets super itchy
09:05 AM XXCoder: so I dont lol
09:05 AM sync: if you maintain the coolant properly it usually does not do that
09:06 AM sync: but we never had issues with glass fiber in our machines
09:06 AM gregcnc_: hmm what kind of coolant is used for frp?
09:06 AM XXCoder: glass fiber is that same as fiberglass
09:07 AM gregcnc_: language thing
09:07 AM XXCoder: we use brownish block of fiberglass and turn it onto part lol I guess 75% turned to powder
09:07 AM sync: we usually don't use any
09:07 AM sync: mostly to air and then wash the machines down with the coolant
09:09 AM XXCoder: use toooons of coolant or it makes actual powder and eats tools in minutes
09:10 AM XXCoder: even brief coolant flow failure causes tool life to be much shorter
09:11 AM sync: not in our experience, we just have the airblast running to get rid of the chips
09:11 AM XXCoder: dont it spray all over and make people itchy?
09:12 AM MarcelineVQ: itchy is the least of your problems with fibreglass :X
09:12 AM XXCoder: no shit
09:15 AM sync: no, why would it?
09:15 AM sync: the machine is kept under slight negative pressure by the aerosol extraction system
09:15 AM XXCoder: fancy!
09:16 AM XXCoder: only few machines at work has that
09:16 AM XXCoder: all robodrills and one very new lathe machine
09:16 AM XXCoder: it has nice bonus of keeping interior cool
09:16 AM XXCoder: was like AC in summer!
09:16 AM XXCoder: while other machine without it was like furance in summer
09:17 AM sync: well, we are required to have it
09:18 AM XXCoder: new fadal isnt even completely sealed :)
09:18 AM XXCoder: better than old fadal which has compleely open top
09:21 AM sync: wasn't so bad, it is just an option we had to click when we ordered it
09:21 AM XXCoder: I begged them to buy one for that hellmachine
09:21 AM XXCoder: Im so glad I cant smell it though, it apparently has heavy odor when interior is hot
09:22 AM XXCoder: of what no idea, probably mist of coolant
09:35 AM IchGucksLive: hi
09:51 AM IchGucksLive: fragalot: this will be very haevy
09:51 AM IchGucksLive: is it carbon concreate
09:52 AM fragalot: hey
09:52 AM fragalot: what will be heavy?
09:53 AM IchGucksLive: ive seen your fusion constuct
09:53 AM fragalot: ah yeah, 700kg
09:53 AM fragalot: excluding vice
09:54 AM IchGucksLive: the carbon concrete Blocks ready made are 80mm thick
09:54 AM fragalot: is that solid enough?
09:55 AM IchGucksLive: it is rated at 2500N mid at 200x500x80
09:55 AM fragalot: also, do you mean carbon fibre, or do you mean CO2?
09:56 AM fragalot: 200x500 is not large enough for my build, so i would need to join them together which creates weak spots. X and Y rails are 550 and 750
09:59 AM fragalot: additionally, it would be more difficult to properly put in scrape-able surfaces for the rails I imagine
09:59 AM IchGucksLive: it is secrat manifactruer
10:03 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Mill_Assembly1.jpg
10:03 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Mill_Assembly2.jpg
10:03 AM Tom_L: slow but sure
10:04 AM XXCoder: cant wait to see it make chips
10:04 AM archivist: and pudding
10:04 AM XXCoder: making it at home right?
10:04 AM Tom_L: yeah
10:05 AM XXCoder: cool
10:05 AM fragalot: Neat :)
10:05 AM Tom_L: still alot to do
10:23 AM archivist: hob bible over the pond https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142653983328
10:25 AM Tom_L: good shape too
10:27 AM archivist: might want a scan of a page I have in mine that is damaged
10:27 AM Tom_L: 129 on amazon
10:28 AM Tom_L: spiral bound copy on line for 43
10:42 AM fragalot: Y 400 X 260 Z 190 : https://imgur.com/a/XajBz -- X and Z motors not yet mounted, and yes, I know they won't fit yet. :P
10:43 AM fragalot: IchGucksLive: ^
10:44 AM archivist: increase Z before you go too far
10:44 AM fragalot: yeah, ideally i want to double it
10:45 AM uwe__ is now known as uwe_
10:45 AM archivist: hmm found a toy far too cheap on fleabay /me keeps quiet
10:45 AM IchGucksLive: Z Beond 170 is always a trouble
10:49 AM fragalot: IchGucksLive: my vice is already 118mm high.. put a 13mm drill or something like that in the spindle and i've already run out of Z
10:49 AM archivist: I had to add spacer under my column
10:50 AM fragalot: i'd rather put a spacer on the bed than on the columnm
10:51 AM archivist: it is between bed and column raising it Z travel stayed the same
10:51 AM * fragalot nods
10:52 AM archivist: your frame as a two part would allow that
10:52 AM fragalot: the travel i've got is approximately 180, wich I can live with
10:53 AM fragalot: archivist: it would, but I want to avoid unnecessary joints
10:54 AM fragalot: if I could guarantee a perfect pour i'd try it in one, but I can only guarantee the opposite :D
10:54 AM archivist: I can foresee, engraving a sheet on the bed to around something in a rotary :)
10:54 AM Roguish: hey all. any experience with one of these mills https://www.ebay.com/itm/BENCHMAN-VMC-4000-3-AXIS-CNC-BENCHTOP-MILL-VERTICAL-MACHINING-CENTER/292328550524?hash=item441023b07c:g:gjsAAOSwvTpaCOTV
10:57 AM gloops: i havent
10:58 AM archivist: funny looking tool change that does not look like R8
10:58 AM fragalot: no, but if that was in my area and ran on 240 or 400V i'd have gone to take a look, but research the toolholders first
10:59 AM fragalot: could it be similar to the tormach style tool holder system?
10:59 AM archivist: they dont have the taper
10:59 AM fragalot: could be for easier ATC alignment
10:59 AM gloops: 180 z doesnt seem a lot for a mill?
11:06 AM fragalot: it's not
11:09 AM gloops: ive got 180 on router, wanted more but a bit tight, if you do any rotary stuff its a severe limitation
11:11 AM fragalot: I've now got it so the toolholder nose Z0 would be at 114 from the bed, and Z max 293
11:11 AM fragalot: which, for my purposes, I think is going to be fine.
11:13 AM gloops: https://ibb.co/de0Hgm
11:13 AM gloops: clever idea
11:13 AM archivist: that 114 is why I could never self level the base by machining
11:13 AM fragalot: gloops: the 3D printer community has been doing that for 10 yrs :P
11:13 AM archivist: or more
11:14 AM fragalot: archivist: I could if I put in an ER collet extension shaft thingymajigger
11:14 AM gloops: that would work like a rack and pinion i suppose
11:14 AM archivist: model engineers started that
11:14 AM fragalot: I've currently got a 20mm 150mm long extender that would work
11:15 AM fragalot: anyway, I should go shopping before they close..
11:16 AM gloops: im thinking ahead to make some kind of rotating manual jig, some brackets i want to machine 3 sides
11:17 AM archivist: I often use the rotary for that sort of work, I do it on the end of a stick/bar
11:18 AM gloops: will see when i get going, i am going to make a proper rotary but getting a backlog of machines to sort out heh,
11:19 AM archivist: I dont understand backlog :)
11:21 AM archivist: you will be wanting 5 axis real soon :)
11:21 AM gloops: mainly to prepare wood for working on, got another bandsaw, old planer wants putting back together, vintage fretsaw
11:22 AM gloops: i was going to make a seperate lathe for wood, 4 axis, so it can run at the same time as 3 axis
11:22 AM gloops: will see, i might not feel like another big thing straight away lol
11:23 AM gloops: and i havent got anything yet!
11:43 AM Tom_L: fragalot goin with epoxy granite?
11:44 AM Tom_L: gloops did you catch today's post?
12:06 PM Cromaglious__: morning
12:07 PM gloops: Tom_L i saw the switches mounted
12:10 PM fragalot: Today, I learned that this laptop shuts down automatically without saving things if you leave it for a bit.
12:15 PM gloops: settings
12:17 PM fragalot: there is no "shut down after.." setting that I can find
12:17 PM fragalot: only seep
12:19 PM roycroft: is the battery depleted when this happens?
12:19 PM fragalot: plugged in
12:19 PM roycroft: it sounds broken
12:19 PM fragalot: I think the most likely explanation is that windows did an update
12:19 PM * fragalot checks the logs
12:20 PM Tom_L: gloops, http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Mill_Assembly1.jpg
12:20 PM roycroft: aah, the new windows security feature
12:20 PM roycroft: if you walk away from your computer it corrupts all your data so noone can steal it
12:21 PM gloops: nearly there by the look of it Tom :)
12:21 PM MarcelineVQ: and only 5$ per month
12:21 PM Tom_L: quite a few things yet to do but it's getting closer
12:21 PM roycroft: yeah, it looks like you're making real progress
12:21 PM phipli: roycroft, https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/13/lets_encrypt_certificate_drama/
12:22 PM roycroft: it would be best for all here if we don't get back into letsencrypt :)
12:22 PM gloops: well yeah, theres 'nearly there' and theres nearly there heh
12:22 PM phipli: sorry - thought it was actually kind of interesting for you
12:22 PM roycroft: i'll look at it, but i won't comment :)
12:22 PM phipli: :)
12:22 PM phipli: that is fair
12:23 PM fragalot: shortly after I left: svchost (4216,G,0) The beta feature EseDiskFlushConsistency is enabled in ESENT due to the beta site mode settings 0x800000
12:23 PM fragalot: and a TON of warnings my disk is not responding after
12:23 PM fragalot: followed by a reboot
12:23 PM fragalot: nice.
12:24 PM roycroft: 1. don't run windows
12:24 PM roycroft: 2. if you ignore 1, don't enable automatic updates
12:24 PM roycroft: 3. if you can't do 2, you're screwed
12:24 PM Tom_L: i run whateve OS i need at the time
12:24 PM fragalot: roycroft: #3
12:25 PM fragalot: in windows 10 , you can only DELAY updates, at best
12:25 PM roycroft: i run the os that runs the app i need
12:25 PM roycroft: but i also consider the os that the app requires when choosing the app
12:25 PM roycroft: i don't have any choice with solidworks, for example
12:26 PM roycroft: and i can't afford a new autocad license for mac os ,so i run that on windows
12:26 PM phipli: 4. don't run an OS - hard code your own software baremetal
12:26 PM roycroft: but i run both in virtual machines that i do not allow to connect to the internet
12:26 PM fragalot: phipli: I already do that, actually
12:26 PM phipli: heh
12:26 PM roycroft: and each runs in its own vm, with no other apps running on that vm
12:26 PM phipli: I was about to say it was sadly unfeasable in most cases
12:26 PM fragalot: or a performarnce requirement in others :P
12:26 PM phipli: but I guess there are hardware g-code interpreters
12:27 PM phipli: * hardware->dedicated
12:28 PM fragalot: technically, an FPGA based one would be hardware
12:28 PM phipli: true
12:28 PM phipli: but...
12:28 PM phipli: sort of... software defined hardware
12:29 PM phipli: I forget what they call it
12:29 PM fragalot: depends on how you program it
12:29 PM phipli: I always think of it as being the hardware equivalent of a pdf
12:29 PM fragalot: lol
12:29 PM phipli: (printed)
12:30 PM fragalot: I remember the relief when I learned that you could program them in C rather than have to deal with vHDL for everything
12:30 PM phipli: interesting
12:30 PM phipli: not tried that
12:31 PM phipli: I misplaced the FPGA I was learning with when I moved house
12:31 PM phipli: :(
12:31 PM phipli: there are others about, but I'd put the effort in with that one
12:31 PM fragalot: I have no idea where my little Xilinx board is at
12:31 PM phipli: made me sad
12:31 PM phipli: I know where a Xilinx board is
12:32 PM phipli: but I only had one Cyclone board new enough to work with the more recent versions of the Altera software
12:32 PM phipli: and I'd decided to learn that board first
12:32 PM phipli: I have a cyclone II somewhere - but that is old
12:32 PM fragalot: to be fair, there isn't much I do that couldn't be done on a cheaper STM32
12:32 PM phipli: meh
12:33 PM phipli: yeah - was about to say
12:33 PM phipli: I tend to play with MCUs more
12:33 PM phipli: already know how to use them
12:33 PM phipli: less of a learning curve for everything I try to do
12:33 PM fragalot: yup
12:33 PM fragalot: and other people make libraries for them
12:33 PM phipli: STM32s are weirdly cheap
12:33 PM fragalot: haha yeah
12:34 PM phipli: 180mhz 32bit dev boards for < £10
12:34 PM fragalot: and often they alraedy include a programmer
12:34 PM phipli: yup
12:34 PM fragalot: and, the best part
12:34 PM fragalot: SWV
12:34 PM fragalot: and SWD
12:35 PM fragalot: semi-realtime debugging.. built in.
12:35 PM fragalot: sure, it's not a J-trace, but it's still pretty damn useful
12:35 PM phipli: https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/processor-microcontroller-development-kits/8820278/
12:35 PM phipli: more expensive than they were
12:36 PM phipli: but I got one of those
12:36 PM fragalot: it's RS,... of course they are expensive :P
12:36 PM phipli: given the cost of development and the ease of programming those
12:36 PM phipli: I'd consider one of those for a lot of projects
12:36 PM fragalot: yup
12:37 PM phipli: fragalot, yes - I knew they stocked them, I'd only buy one from them if I needed next day and work were paying
12:37 PM fragalot: :)
12:37 PM phipli: the faff of ordering it from somewhere else would cost more in time than the price difference in that case
12:37 PM fragalot: it is a nice service so often it's worth the extra cost (for work)
12:37 PM archivist: hmm tiny screen
12:38 PM phipli: archivist, big enough for hand held kit
12:38 PM archivist: was thinking of live steam diagram :)
12:39 PM phipli: There are some nice 7 inch mcu screens out there
12:39 PM phipli: I have one with 8 screen buffers which is cool
12:39 PM phipli: makes up for the speed of slower mcus
12:39 PM phipli: as you can pre-load the result of every menu option while the user decides
12:39 PM fragalot: I've gone away from making my own screens or screen drivers
12:39 PM fragalot: found it to be much cheaper to use pre-made HMI's these days
12:40 PM archivist: thinking of just use a tablet of some sort, just to get the screen and basic graphics in a box
12:40 PM phipli: have you messed with qt for embedded stuff much?
12:40 PM fragalot: phipli: not personally, another division however does use QT
12:41 PM phipli: the guy that made this had a linux machine booting to this in 7 seconds : https://www.dropbox.com/s/d4qpng1jpb9dq9l/Photo_small.jpg?dl=0
12:41 PM phipli: running on one of those asus SBCs
12:41 PM phipli: tinkerboard thats it
12:42 PM phipli: archivist, good idea - if you do a tidy web interface and just load it on a tablet
12:42 PM phipli: sorts out so much of the faff for you
12:42 PM fragalot: we've looked at tablets, but for industrial use there aren't that many good affordable options for simple controllers
12:42 PM phipli: second hand tablets are cheap, as are referb ones
12:42 PM phipli: fragalot, would the time savings cover the cost difference?
12:43 PM fragalot: phipli: no, because industrial HMI's are cheaper
12:43 PM fragalot: much cheaper
12:43 PM archivist: I scrounged a samsung to play with
12:43 PM phipli: fragalot, what sort of kit do you specifically go for?
12:44 PM fragalot: basically, the stuff I make must resist being pressure-washed, live outdoors, and work, every time :P
12:44 PM fragalot: phipli: for the low budget systems I usually use Delta
12:44 PM fragalot: i'm amazed at what they can make for the price
12:44 PM fragalot: sure, their software has a few bugs, but it's nothing you can't easily work around
12:44 PM phipli: fragalot, one of our dataloggers broke after a piece of granite hit it at speed
12:45 PM fragalot: screen quality is pretty good (4,3" panel is 720x480 65K colors)
12:46 PM fragalot: sorry, 480x272
12:46 PM phipli: so something like a DOP-B03E211?
12:47 PM fragalot: or the S211 if you don't need the ethernet connection
12:47 PM phipli: windows development environment?
12:47 PM fragalot: it runs a proprietary OS that you program using "DOPSoft" where you draw your screens in a WYSIWYG environment
12:48 PM fragalot: but they provide a macro interface where you can run basic scripts, making it INCREDIBLY flexible compared to say, a Siemens Simatic panel
12:48 PM phipli: Interesting
12:49 PM phipli: I regret not going into manufacturing
12:49 PM fragalot: what did you get into instaed?
12:49 PM phipli: spent some time at an engine factory and it was far more interesting than what I do
12:49 PM archivist: how is 480 pixels high resolution!
12:49 PM phipli: Rail industry - mechanical engineering consultancy
12:49 PM phipli: in the team that does engines and locomotives
12:50 PM fragalot: archivist: I said, for the price & size.. you don't need a higher resolution as the operators keep asking for larger fonts anyway
12:50 PM phipli: on a 4.3" screen 480 is plenty high enough resolution
12:51 PM archivist: I know some will struggle to see at that size
12:51 PM fragalot: phipli: th ebest part about these Delta panels? I have about 1000 "screens" in one of my applications, most of them with images, and I'm currently using 12% of it's storage space.
12:52 PM roycroft: archivist: depends on the size of the display
12:52 PM phipli: how much program memory do they have!?
12:52 PM fragalot: phipli: 128M
12:52 PM roycroft: if it's 1cm x 1cm then 480 pixels is pretty high resolution
12:53 PM fragalot: phipli: and 64M ram
12:54 PM phipli: last program I wrote runs on an ATMEGA8
12:54 PM phipli: I'll admit it doesn't need to do much...
12:54 PM fragalot: phipli: the only thing I wish they had, was some kind of "diff" tool, or some type of version control... We've currently reverse engineered their file encoding to be able to spot WHERE the differences are, but not WHAT the differences are.. yet.
12:55 PM fragalot: phipli: our most popular controller runs on an 18F microchip, and it does a lot more than what that chip should be able to do :D
12:55 PM phipli: https://advanced-hex-editor-a-x-e.jaleco.com/download
12:55 PM fragalot: granted, the code is completely illegible
12:55 PM phipli: an older version as free
12:55 PM roycroft: i was just on the phone with a retailer asking about their rewards program
12:55 PM phipli: think it is shareware now
12:56 PM fragalot: I forgot what hex editor we use
12:56 PM roycroft: i used to get discounts on things when using my rewards number but that stopped working, and i wanted to know if it was worth still participating
12:56 PM roycroft: i was told that the terms had changed
12:56 PM phipli: axe lets you view the data graphically
12:56 PM roycroft: and the new terms are that for every $100 that i spend, i get 1 rewards poitn
12:56 PM roycroft: point
12:56 PM phipli: and lets you build sort of data templates
12:56 PM roycroft: when i accrue 100 rewards points i get a $5 off coupon
12:56 PM phipli: so you can make a binary file viewer
12:56 PM phipli: if you spend the time
12:57 PM MarcelineVQ: roycroft: lol
12:57 PM roycroft: so all i have to do is spend $10,000 to get $5 back
12:57 PM roycroft: it would take me a very long time to spend $10,000 on cat food
12:57 PM fragalot: phipli: I think it may actually be axe, but you need more than just a hex viewer to decode it
12:57 PM MarcelineVQ: in other words they're phasing out their program and term change was step one
12:57 PM MarcelineVQ: cause who's gonna bother
12:57 PM roycroft: i suspect that the customer service person was mistaken
12:57 PM fragalot: so far we've decoded everything but the macro's
12:58 PM phipli: roycroft, lol
12:58 PM roycroft: i wish math were taught in schools
12:58 PM fragalot: roycroft: that sounds incredibly tempting!
12:58 PM roycroft: rudemantary arithmetic is all i ask for
12:58 PM phipli: I've spent some time trying to use axe to decode on train recorder raw data
12:58 PM phipli: but some of it is compressed now...
12:58 PM fragalot: it's similar to our local DIY shop
12:58 PM phipli: even when it isn't it takes /ages/
12:59 PM fragalot: if you spend over 500 a year, you can get a 10% discount on non-discounted items
12:59 PM fragalot: all items in the store are discounted.
12:59 PM fragalot: all the time.
12:59 PM archivist: when reverse engineering I tend to write my own scripts
12:59 PM roycroft: remedial arithmetic even
01:00 PM roycroft: i suspect i get a point for every $1, not every $100
01:00 PM Cromaglious__: nice last time i did something like that, it was machine code, and we had to to find the instruction set for the processor.rr machine code
01:00 PM roycroft: because they mention 5% on their web site in a couple places
01:00 PM fragalot: lol
01:00 PM fragalot: 5%°
01:00 PM fragalot: the ° just isn't rendered right
01:01 PM roycroft: i saw you type five percent degrees
01:01 PM roycroft: is that what you intended?
01:01 PM fragalot: I intended promille but derped.
01:01 PM roycroft: derping happens
01:01 PM roycroft: i'm certainly guilty of it
01:02 PM MarcelineVQ: not me, I'm pretty much prefect
01:02 PM fragalot: 'pretty much' implies some minimal amount of derpage;
01:02 PM MarcelineVQ: ;>
01:02 PM roycroft: ok, president shithole
01:03 PM MarcelineVQ: er, I'm not sure what that means but in case missed the joke was that perfect wasn't spelled right
01:03 PM roycroft: our president was asked if he has ever apologized for anything
01:04 PM * fragalot has indeed completely missed that
01:04 PM roycroft: and he responded that he doesn't apologize because he never does anything wrong
01:04 PM fragalot: roycroft: is the answer obvious?
01:04 PM fragalot: haha it is!
01:05 PM roycroft: dubya said the same thing
01:05 PM roycroft: it didn't sound as offensive coming from him though
01:05 PM roycroft: i guess having a big ego is a requirement to be president
01:05 PM fragalot: I think in his case it's more than just a big ego
01:06 PM roycroft: i screw things up all the time and admit it
01:06 PM roycroft: so i'm unqualified for the office
01:06 PM fragalot: you are indeed unfit for politics
01:06 PM roycroft: i am singularly unfit for politics
01:06 PM roycroft: i would be absolutely horrible as a politician
01:07 PM roycroft: that's why my motto is "make parts, not laws!"
01:07 PM fragalot: but do the parts apply to you too, or only the lower & middle tolerance class?
01:08 PM roycroft: i make parts for everyone
01:08 PM phipli: I almost have to get other people to write my CV for me
01:08 PM phipli: because I think I'm worse at things than other people do
01:08 PM roycroft: there are no such things as straight parts or gay parts or black parts or yellow parts
01:08 PM roycroft: there are just parts
01:08 PM MarcelineVQ: there are straight parts though
01:08 PM MarcelineVQ: I've got a set on my shelf
01:08 PM phipli: I know a little bit about a load of things... enough to know that there is more that I don't know than that I do...
01:08 PM fragalot: of course there are straight, black & yellow parts.. what are you, blind?
01:09 PM fragalot: phipli: same here, lol.. I know enough of almost everything to be dangerous.
01:10 PM fragalot: give me a VMC, and I'll gladly crash it immediately because I know what G0 Z-10 does but forget i'm in absolute machine coordinates.
01:10 PM roycroft: i just got a notice that my vfd panel delivery is delayed until tuesday
01:12 PM phipli: should probably have cracked out a better soldering iron... those pads connected to earth were... resisting
01:12 PM fragalot: phipli: you mean those pads NOT connecting?
01:13 PM phipli: I mean they're soaking the heat away very quickly and I'm only just managing to melt the solder
01:13 PM phipli: I managed
01:13 PM fragalot: use a tip with more mass?
01:14 PM phipli: but I should have switched to a higher power iron
01:14 PM phipli: since there is one on the other side of the room
01:14 PM phipli: I just... like this one
01:14 PM phipli: it is comfortable to use
01:15 PM phipli: sadly can't test the board because I need at least 170vDC
01:16 PM CaptHindsight: I've got extra i can send you
01:16 PM phipli: I wonder if I could just rectify / smooth our mains (240vAC)
01:16 PM phipli: instead of making one of the boost circuits everyone on the internet seems to use (because they only have 110AC?)
01:18 PM CaptHindsight: 170VDC is an oddball, what is it for?
01:18 PM fragalot: phipli: sure you could.
01:18 PM fragalot: 170Vdc isn't that much of an oddball
01:18 PM CaptHindsight: uh huh
01:18 PM fragalot: it's common on for example threadmills
01:18 PM phipli: I have some "magic eye" tubes
01:19 PM phipli: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_eye_tube
01:19 PM Tom_L: just tape a bunch of D cells together and you've got it
01:20 PM phipli: the EM84 picture on the right (second picture) looks like the ones I have
01:20 PM phipli: Tom_L, yeah, I was thinking how many car batteries is that...
01:20 PM phipli: 15 of them
01:21 PM CaptHindsight: neato
01:21 PM phipli: right. dinner time
01:21 PM phipli: laters folks
01:21 PM fragalot: Tom_L: but 9V cells interlock
01:21 PM Tom_L: make a voltage doubler
01:21 PM Rab: phipli, rectifying mains is a very bad idea. There's no isolation; your whole circuit would be a shock hazard.
01:21 PM pcw_home: 170 VDC is about what you get from rectified 120VAC
01:22 PM CaptHindsight: Rab: didn't you ever work on a TV or monitor with a hot chassis?
01:22 PM Tom_L: just don't stick your tongue on it
01:22 PM phipli: Rab, the thing is going to be high voltage reglardless - it will need something to make damn sure the current stays low
01:22 PM Rab: CaptHindsight, indeed, and I'm still alive; others are not so lucky.
01:22 PM gregcnc_: i was about to to say rectifiy AC
01:22 PM Tom_L: i used to cook hotdogs with an extension cord when i was a kid
01:23 PM fragalot: phipli: high current is fine, as long as it goes through the circuit anad not you :P
01:23 PM phipli: pcw_home, that is probably why they use 170v then
01:23 PM phipli: anyways
01:23 PM phipli: food!
01:23 PM phipli: :)
01:24 PM gregcnc_: variac?
01:24 PM Tom_L: pcw_home is it worth replacing a FPGA on a 7i90?
01:24 PM Tom_L: probably not...
01:24 PM Rab: variacs are autotransformers, so still no isolation. ;)
01:25 PM Rab: eBay has HV boost converters for driving nixie tubes etc for a few bucks, if you don't want to build your own.
01:26 PM CaptHindsight: the Variacs for sale a TV part shops would include isolation
01:26 PM CaptHindsight: a/at
01:27 PM pcw_home: Tom_L its a lot of work I can send you a chip if you want to try
01:27 PM Tom_L: well, i had one pin go south so i moved the signal to another one for now
01:27 PM Tom_L: just wondered if it was an indication of things to come
01:28 PM Tom_L: i didn't even look at the pin density
01:28 PM pcw_home: its unusual to have bad FPGA pins on cards with the bus switches
01:28 PM pcw_home: you need to have >7V or < -.5V and > 50 Ma to break a pin
01:29 PM Tom_L: it's going to 5v on a selector switch on my pendant
01:29 PM Tom_L: nothing special
01:29 PM CaptHindsight: pcw_home: is that still pretty common with the bad boards people send back?
01:30 PM pcw_home: not that many (except Gene) usually the bus switch reverse protection diode is fried
01:30 PM CaptHindsight: from treating the IO like relay contacts
01:30 PM fragalot: lol
01:30 PM CaptHindsight: hehe
01:31 PM pcw_home: if you ground a FPGA pin to a machine frame (and said machine has a VFD or Step drive)
01:32 PM pcw_home: you can fry inputs because of the couple of volts of HF noise with unlimited current damaging the input diode
01:33 PM pcw_home: you can protect against this with a low value series resistor (say 50-100 ohms)
01:34 PM pcw_home: but thats not desirable for connections to daughterboards
01:34 PM fragalot: or an opto
01:34 PM pcw_home: yes
01:43 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: did you put an LED in the hot dog? https://youtu.be/pgU7M-5-L_A?t=38s
02:06 PM CaptHindsight: https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/tls/d/1999-victor-cnc-bed-mill/6457976702.html located in Texas?!
02:07 PM CaptHindsight: why post this in Chicago CL? Is this a new scam?
02:11 PM fragalot: http://texasescapes.com/TexasTowns/Chicago-Texas.htm
02:54 PM CaptHindsight: engineeringforkids.com
03:18 PM gloops: thats what we need here, engineering for kids
03:18 PM gloops: engineering is a beautiful subject, it is THE subject
03:19 PM gloops: you know, engineers made most scientific discoveries, scientists never got jack shit to work
03:28 PM fragalot: that's because most discoveries are accidental
03:29 PM fragalot: "oh crap I forgot about this and now it's got mold all around it!" bam. penecillin.
03:30 PM fragalot: "guys I spilled something sticky a few years back" - post-its (inaccurately compressed story)
03:33 PM gloops: well thats right, and the decision this country made to abandon engineering was a disgraceful leadership error
03:33 PM MarcelineVQ: gloops: to make that sort of statement you'll want to have a clear definition for a scientist. what is your defintion of scientist there?
03:33 PM fragalot: MarcelineVQ: that's easy
03:33 PM fragalot: the only difference between a scientist, and someone messing around, is that the scientist takes notes.
03:34 PM gloops: marcel someone who makes theories
03:34 PM JT-Shop: I take notes...
03:34 PM fragalot: JT-Shop: condolences
03:35 PM JT-Shop: got a 61g egg this afternoon, it must have hurt
03:39 PM gloops: i think you might benefit from watching some videos of great engineering feats fragalot
03:39 PM gloops: the 4 rail idea is pretty good, you need confidence to tackle that and thats a good start
03:40 PM fragalot: gloops: That was Ich's idea, like I said I'm only really putting in 2
03:40 PM fragalot: did you see the more recent version?
03:40 PM gloops: thats was Ichs idea? hmm slightly surprised
03:40 PM gloops: no only saw the 4 rail one
03:40 PM fragalot: hang on
03:41 PM MarcelineVQ: fragalot: did he have a reason for it?
03:41 PM miss0r: Damn. This ER11 collect with shank i ordered is crusty :D
03:41 PM fragalot: https://imgur.com/a/aubCC
03:41 PM gloops: miss0r when you said the one you made was sketchy, i was going to say - the one on the chinese spindle i got was rough as hell
03:41 PM fragalot: MarcelineVQ: it was his response to me asking "should I get 25mm or 30mm rails for this?"
03:42 PM miss0r: The OD grind is shit. The tapered ID grind is shit. The centerhole in the end is shit. The cut-off surface is shit. The internal bore end is shit :D
03:42 PM fragalot: miss0r: lmao
03:42 PM fragalot: good job you made your own already then
03:42 PM miss0r: Yeah.
03:42 PM fragalot: I have a really nice facemill from china
03:43 PM fragalot: it only ever wears out 1 of the inserts so you can just scoot them around
03:43 PM fragalot: lasts forever
03:43 PM miss0r: lol!
03:43 PM MarcelineVQ: hoho
03:44 PM miss0r: Does anyone here have any experience with axle seals? I'm wondering what type I should get for a 4-6 bar water pressure
03:44 PM gloops: well, that design is ok, but theres some conflict in there
03:44 PM gloops: a massive block, but the z depends on an ally plate?
03:44 PM fragalot: gloops: There is, X and Z do not have clearances for motors yet
03:44 PM fragalot: and the Z plate will be a U
03:45 PM fragalot: wasn't sure how to do that, so the current assembly is more to get an overview than anytthing else
03:45 PM fragalot: i'm open to suggestions :)
03:45 PM gloops: im no mill designer, or operator, im just casting my eye over it
03:46 PM fragalot: still debating the whole gantry VS column design too
03:46 PM fragalot: both have their merits & drawbacks
03:46 PM miss0r: everything with this is a tradeoff
03:46 PM gloops: i would have a column myself
03:48 PM gloops: the only reason for a gantry is scale imo, if moving the table becomes impractical
03:49 PM fragalot: true
03:49 PM fragalot: I liked the gantry more because it seemed more rigid
03:49 PM gloops: i want to get a crowbar at the back of that spindle and not be able to budge it
03:49 PM Deejay: gn8
03:49 PM miss0r: The most likely part on this mill to cause vibrations is the spindle. So ideally(in my opinion anyway) I would just make sure the assembly is rigid as frig. Pre-tensioned linear bearing, heavy mounting plate, low slack ballscrew ect
03:49 PM fragalot: with a column you need to have quite an overhang for the spindle
03:52 PM gloops: well thats where a heavy cast block comes in
03:52 PM miss0r: yeah
03:52 PM fragalot: good point
03:54 PM phipli: Anyone know what these "STC" MCUs that I keep seeing in chinese products are?
03:55 PM phipli: some kind of 8051 clone?
03:56 PM fragalot: pretty much as far as I know
03:57 PM fragalot: i'm sure they make other clones too
04:01 PM phipli: "other clones are available"?
04:01 PM fragalot: :-)
04:02 PM phipli: lol
04:02 PM phipli: just caught myself being daft
04:02 PM phipli: was thinking - I wonder how much faff it would be to reprogram things with them in...
04:03 PM Rab: http://www.stcmicro.com/stcmcu.html
04:03 PM phipli: but it is a while since I've done anything in intel-type assembly...
04:03 PM phipli: then I remembered that compilers exist
04:03 PM Rab: Looks ill, I favor the chinese products with maybe-fake STM32s.
04:04 PM phipli: http://www.stcmicro.com/stm32.html
04:04 PM phipli: with 4 links that link back to the same page...
04:04 PM phipli: hum
04:06 PM Rab: phipli, wow, nice find. I wonder if all the cheap STM32 stuff is just straight-up clones.
04:07 PM phipli: lol
04:07 PM phipli: you found it
04:07 PM phipli: it was on the screen when you mentioned them because I'd clicked your link
04:07 PM phipli: ST sell their own stuff damn cheap to be fair
04:08 PM Rab: phipli: https://github.com/laborer/stcflash
04:13 PM phipli: Rab, yeah already found that
04:14 PM phipli: heh
04:14 PM phipli: only 0.5k of ram for lots of them
04:14 PM phipli: Mind you - better than just a couple of registers
04:20 PM phipli: Rab : the Chinese version of the page has pdfs linked
04:20 PM phipli: http://www.stcmicro.com/cn/stm32.html
04:20 PM phipli: is there a chance that this company is actually ST... China?
04:21 PM phipli: http://www.stcmicro.com/cn/stm32.html
04:21 PM phipli: the documents are branded ST
04:23 PM gloops: does seem a pretty standard design for these concrete mills - the bridge
04:23 PM MarcelineVQ: fixed gantry?
04:24 PM gloops: yeah
04:24 PM MarcelineVQ: should be pretty solid :>
04:25 PM gloops: technically a gantry has 2 screws
04:25 PM gloops: http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/d998465ecdbc3c64183699154c9ffdd8e4ef3b232a43b27b0a229e7decb9ab506g.jpg
04:51 PM gloops: you could make one of those to fit a grave headstone through
04:52 PM MarcelineVQ: wonder how many cemetaries have a cnc headstone carver in the back shed
04:52 PM gloops: theyre all done with cnc now id guess
04:54 PM gloops: the cheaper ones with laser
04:57 PM gloops: http://thelasercutter.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/freedom-flighters.html
07:10 PM Crom_: anyone play with the XYZprinting Inc hand held 3d scanner?
07:33 PM phipli: someone at work has a hand held 3d scanner
07:33 PM phipli: but I don't know who made it
07:33 PM phipli: seems to work better the faster your computer
07:33 PM phipli: because if it takes too long between frames it is easier to lose the reference points
07:37 PM XXCoder: pretty cool
07:39 PM phipli: The guy used it to scan the engine and himself to help size the new racing car he's building
07:39 PM phipli: not fine measurements, but to get shape / volume detail that would be otherwise tricky
07:40 PM XXCoder: heard microsft game 3d viewer thing could be used as scanner
07:40 PM XXCoder: kinict?
07:40 PM XXCoder: fairly low res
07:42 PM phipli: yeah - I've heard, but not seen someone doing it
07:42 PM phipli: (first hand)
07:42 PM phipli: Autodesk have some software that does it from many photos
07:42 PM phipli: I tried it and it wouldn't work
07:43 PM phipli: (I understand it does, but what it means is that getting it right is more effort than it is worth)
07:44 PM phipli: lol
07:44 PM phipli: of course, being autodesk they discontinued the free program
07:44 PM phipli: and now sell something
07:44 PM phipli: I have a strong hate for autodesk
07:44 PM phipli: they bought /everything/
07:45 PM phipli: and then took away the free stuff or made so many things /worse/
07:45 PM Tom_shop: yeah they got ahold of eaglecad and screwed it up too
07:45 PM phipli: yup
07:45 PM phipli: I hang on to a very old installer so I can use it if I need to
07:48 PM XXCoder: I would be much saddened if they bought freecad and openscad
07:49 PM phipli: heh
07:49 PM phipli: they can't buy freecad though
07:49 PM phipli: thankfully
07:49 PM phipli: or inkscape or gimp or libreoffice
07:50 PM XXCoder: http://www.kgw.com/mobile/article/news/weird/family-shares-hilarious-results-of-professional-photo-shoot/63-507647509
08:35 PM Wolf__: well, I think I answered my own question about which vice to get finally https://i.imgur.com/6Nbfrff.png?1
08:35 PM pfred1: can't go wrong with a wilton
08:35 PM Wolf__: I think the 6” might be a bit big for my mill table
08:36 PM pfred1: ah mill vise
08:37 PM Wolf__: did a quick cad of my mill table and the current POS mill vise I had next to a 4” and 6” cnc vise
08:38 PM pfred1: I have the crappiest mill vise on the planet http://i.imgur.com/pwzbv.jpg
08:38 PM pfred1: but it only cost me $20
08:38 PM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/neq0oOn.jpg
08:38 PM Wolf__: I can relate
08:38 PM pfred1: very similar
08:39 PM pfred1: mine's like a crappy knock off of that vise
08:39 PM Wolf__: watch the moving jaw lift when you crank down on it
08:39 PM pfred1: ah I got mine pretty good
08:40 PM Wolf__: what annoyed me more is when I went to stick a 5”x20” part in it
08:40 PM Wolf__: opens to like 4.9”
08:45 PM Wolf__: thinking a 6” mill vice might be overkill for my mill tho
08:50 PM XXCoder: Wolf__: you made those jaw 3d models?
08:51 PM pfred1: sometimes i take the jaws off to fit bigger work in my vise
08:51 PM XXCoder: maybe. whats your mill z heihjt?
08:51 PM pfred1: but the casting isn't very accurate
08:51 PM XXCoder: pfred1: we use custom jaws at work many times
08:51 PM XXCoder: for specific part
08:51 PM XXCoder: and teeth jaws
08:51 PM pfred1: XXCoder yeah whatever it takes
08:51 PM Wolf__: yeah, quick dirty models from the measurements off the glacern site
08:52 PM pfred1: gotta work with what ya got
08:52 PM Wolf__: 13 3/8” Z
08:52 PM Wolf__: or 339mm
08:53 PM pfred1: if the vise can't fit a part jaws are coming off
08:53 PM XXCoder: not too bad. 6" is around 3 or 4 inches in height
08:53 PM XXCoder: honestly I would get 4 inch and 6
08:53 PM Wolf__: 3.189” to the bed for the 6”
08:53 PM XXCoder: get 6 first, larger more cabiility, 4 later for smaller parts
08:54 PM pfred1: the other thing with a bigger vise is they tend to be heavier and when you have to take them off the machine it's your back
08:54 PM Wolf__: yeah, 81lbs vs 40lbs lol
08:54 PM XXCoder: pf yep!
08:54 PM XXCoder: I can BARELY lift 6" one
08:54 PM Wolf__: price diff is only $100 tho lol
08:54 PM pfred1: yeah that's a big difference
08:55 PM pfred1: if you have a hydraulic table no big deal
08:55 PM XXCoder: or have lift arm,
08:55 PM XXCoder: with magnetic holder
08:55 PM Wolf__: oh wait, wtf, the GPV-412 and GPV-612 are both $599…
08:55 PM XXCoder: when whatever
08:55 PM XXCoder: *then
08:56 PM pfred1: I guess the extra materials aren't a factor in the price much
08:56 PM XXCoder: I guess most of price is precision
08:57 PM Wolf__: probably
08:57 PM Wolf__: https://www.glacern.com/deals
08:57 PM pfred1: 40 pounds of cast iron is what today? about $8
08:57 PM XXCoder: wolf you got a grinder?
08:57 PM XXCoder: if so you could majke one yourself lol
08:57 PM Wolf__: not yet...
08:57 PM XXCoder: use mill then grind it to shape
08:58 PM pfred1: what you making it out of?
08:58 PM Wolf__: the amount of time it would take to diy a mill vice like that
08:58 PM Wolf__: wouldnt be worth it
08:58 PM pfred1: I know lots make those little toolmakers vises
08:59 PM pfred1: I had to basically DIY my mill vise
08:59 PM XXCoder: I use drill vise for my cnc router lol basically only one low enough profile
08:59 PM pfred1: when I bought it it was so dirty I didn't see the big crack in the movable jaw
08:59 PM pfred1: now drill vises really lift up
09:00 PM pfred1: I have a piece of torsion bar I put in mine to keep stuff down
09:00 PM Wolf__: I got too use to using a toolmakers vise on my mini mill
09:00 PM XXCoder: pf yeah its pretty crappy lol
09:00 PM pfred1: I put the piece of torsion bar on the movable jaw side and it pushes stuff down
09:00 PM XXCoder: if I had more skills I would try to make very low profile vise heh
09:01 PM Wolf__: XXCoder: you would be best off with t-slot clamps probably
09:01 PM XXCoder: yeah but not always best method
09:01 PM pfred1: I used to make T slot clamps
09:01 PM Cromaglious_: I'm thinking about modding my mill to get more column height and move the column further back, so I can add a rotate plate
09:02 PM XXCoder: I needed vise to make gauge holder out of round nylon puck
09:02 PM XXCoder: it wasnt... successful but not due to vise
09:02 PM Wolf__: XXCoder: google t-slot toe clamps
09:02 PM pfred1: I made this http://i.imgur.com/OZa5EkO.jpg
09:02 PM XXCoder: not bad
09:02 PM Wolf__: something like http://www.penntoolco.com/24000-1/?_vsrefdom=adwords&gclid=Cj0KCQiA-ebSBRC8ARIsAGuxJIr94lXk1G7u2YmdiZPsNumLoFAC446Kgn01p-T6x-nixdvF2epoF9oaAslJEALw_wcB
09:02 PM pfred1: that's a J&S tool downholding clamp
09:03 PM Wolf__: yeah, or the one pfred1 linked
09:03 PM XXCoder: not sure if that tnut would fit my machine
09:03 PM XXCoder: checked aliexpress got this goo.gl/uYJczF
09:03 PM pfred1: it is an ingenious design
09:04 PM XXCoder: http://goo.gl/uYJczF
09:04 PM Wolf__: lol
09:04 PM pfred1: then i was at a yard sale and I bought a pair of these http://i.imgur.com/LymRHTF.jpg
09:05 PM pfred1: that clamp was made way before my time
09:05 PM pfred1: that was made at the old shop
09:08 PM XXCoder: HMMM https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HIPERDEAL-20800mAh-5V-2-1A-USB-8X-18650-DIY-Mobile-Power-Bank-Case-Kit-Battery-Charger/32846873977.html
09:08 PM XXCoder: pretty cheap way to get huge mAH bank
09:08 PM XXCoder: 27k approx
09:08 PM pfred1: it's rice or sand
09:09 PM Wolf__: yeah, take a 0 off the mAh rating
09:09 PM Wolf__: might be close then
09:09 PM XXCoder: wolf batteries is seperate
09:09 PM pfred1: https://spinfuel.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/fake-battery-SAND.png
09:09 PM Wolf__: thats what i get for not looking lol
09:09 PM XXCoder: pfred1: dang
09:10 PM Wolf__: math still doesnt work for 8x 18650
09:10 PM XXCoder: one of battery said 2400 mAH so I calculated from there
09:10 PM pfred1: yeah so many cheap tricks going on with 18650 batteried these days
09:10 PM Wolf__: oh wait might work
09:11 PM XXCoder: I wonder if can use 2 of those smaller batteries in place of 1 lol
09:11 PM pfred1: a 2400mAh battery would be a pretty decent one
09:11 PM Wolf__: yeah, wont need shit for current draw either
09:11 PM pfred1: least it's not claiming something impossible like 5000mAh
09:12 PM Wolf__: math is hard, I was thinking 5000mAh at first per cell
09:12 PM pfred1: still even 2400mAh would be one of the best batteries made
09:12 PM XXCoder: yeah im sure THAT was "up-rated"
09:12 PM XXCoder: 2k maybe
09:12 PM Wolf__: 2400mAh are easy, low current rated though
09:14 PM pfred1: yeah either you can get current or capacity it is rare to get both
09:14 PM Wolf__: gonna be a bulky usb brick at 8x 18650
09:14 PM XXCoder: yeah
09:14 PM XXCoder: the new 120v and 5v battery banks is getting cheaper now
09:14 PM pfred1: that's a big box of sand
09:15 PM pfred1: power brick
09:15 PM XXCoder: I just wish certain fictional battery was real though
09:15 PM pfred1: my CPU finally arrived from China the other day
09:16 PM Wolf__: http://a.co/91FRuiU 30000mAh
09:16 PM pfred1: Wolf__ includes a flux capacitor I'm sure
09:18 PM XXCoder: https://www.amazon.com/Portable-External-42000mAh-Rechargeable-Smartphone/dp/B07259GXC3
09:18 PM Wolf__: li-poly cells so I’m more inclined to believe it
09:18 PM XXCoder: bunch of 5v, as well as 2 ac
09:19 PM pfred1: XXCoder every purchase includes a free class D chemical fire extinguisher because you're gonna need it!
09:19 PM XXCoder: lol
09:19 PM Wolf__: lol
09:20 PM XXCoder: wow one bad flaw
09:20 PM XXCoder: it cant be charged when its in use
09:20 PM pfred1: device may sing the He Man theme song when you plug it in
09:22 PM Wolf__: I just want a power brick that outputs max USB-C macbook charge specs
09:22 PM pfred1: Gentoo be hard
09:23 PM Wolf__: hmm, so no price diff between the 4” and 6” premium vise so guess go big lol
09:23 PM pfred1: I'm trying to build a kernel and they expect you to hand assemble an initramfs
09:23 PM XXCoder: go big or go home
09:23 PM pfred1: might want to invest in a back brace before you absolutely need such a thing
09:24 PM pfred1: remember lift with the legs
09:24 PM XXCoder: you dont lift as hard when part is going down. I used that ton of times to trabsfer it to cart without shortening my back
09:25 PM Wolf__: I have a i-beam directly over my mill and lathe, and a chain fall hoist
09:25 PM pfred1: there ya go
09:25 PM pfred1: today we call them H beams
09:25 PM pfred1: I beams were like from the depression and earlier
09:26 PM Wolf__: lol
09:26 PM XXCoder: yeah work have a couple. nice things to have. too bad I never use em as its at lathe and hard metal machines
09:26 PM Wolf__: I also have a hydraulic cart, because I like my back not killing me
09:27 PM XXCoder: my back was already killing me at 27
09:27 PM XXCoder: im 41 now :P
09:27 PM XXCoder: 27 I found out I have back arthitis
09:27 PM pfred1: yeah it don't get better with age
09:28 PM pfred1: when people tell me their back hurt my standard reply is, You mean it's not supposed to?
09:28 PM XXCoder: :)
09:28 PM Wolf__: at 18 i had a 4’x8’ x3/4” plywood concrete form board fall off a ceiling on to me when was at work, back has hurt ever since
09:28 PM XXCoder: ow
09:28 PM pfred1: a simmonds form?
09:29 PM Wolf__: just straight oiled plywood
09:29 PM pfred1: ah still pretty bad
09:29 PM pfred1: I was on a job and a guy got hit by lead clad wallboard
09:29 PM Wolf__: damn night crew missed taking it down, murphy’s law stuck when I was under it
09:30 PM pfred1: I saw him on another job years later and i was like yo uremember that? He pulle his shirt over and showed me the dent he still had in his shoulder from it
09:31 PM pfred1: two guys got hurt really bad that day
09:31 PM pfred1: the next morning the boss handed us all checks and told us to go hom he said, this job never happened
09:31 PM XXCoder: pfred1: I remember reading about guy who was stealing plywood, he was holding it vertically and he screwed and fell forwards with it, he smashed all his fingers and was on top of plywood and fingers under it
09:32 PM XXCoder: so guy stayed there overnight in pain till workers and evenually police come in
09:32 PM pfred1: people are unbelievable
09:33 PM pfred1: I worked for a scaffold outfit and they said people would steal the bottom sections of scaffolding
09:33 PM pfred1: though how they managed to do that i got no good idea
09:33 PM XXCoder: probabky cross members
09:33 PM MarcelineVQ: then you gotta wonder what they're doing with it, whos' even buying that
09:33 PM XXCoder: and some of vertical and pray it dont fall
09:33 PM pfred1: as I understood it they took frames out
09:33 PM XXCoder: scrap meyal for drugs MarcelineVQ
09:34 PM pfred1: scaffolding is vauable stuff
09:34 PM MarcelineVQ: not a lot of meat there
09:34 PM pfred1: if you're starting a business
09:34 PM XXCoder: ah there is that also
09:34 PM Wolf__: them bits add up quick
09:34 PM pfred1: I worked with one of the biggest scaffolding outfits in the world
09:35 PM pfred1: safway
09:35 PM pfred1: I asked one of the compay guys how high he'd ever been on a scaffold
09:35 PM pfred1: he said about 4 joints
09:35 PM Wolf__: lol
09:35 PM pfred1: then he said 400 frames up
09:36 PM Wolf__: holy crap
09:36 PM pfred1: they like scaffolded the Statue of Liberty
09:36 PM pfred1: yeah safway is bigtime
09:36 PM pfred1: they do the Olympics
09:36 PM XXCoder: crazy
09:37 PM pfred1: when you need the best they're the ones you call
09:38 PM pfred1: they have custum laminated planks made special for them in like Finland or something and get a whole boat load at a time
09:38 PM pfred1: we'd get a flatbed of scaffolding every day and put it up and they really knew how to pack scaffolding on a flatbed
09:39 PM pfred1: they'd stand the frames up then fill inside the frames with everything else
09:39 PM MarcelineVQ: makes sense
09:40 PM pfred1: here's a job I worked on with them http://i.imgur.com/jvC9r.jpg
09:42 PM pfred1: that's this building http://newjerseyrealestatefinder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DSC02424-382x500.jpg
09:43 PM Wolf__: cool stuff
09:44 PM pfred1: we replaced all of the eaves on it with fiberglass simulations
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: https://media.digikey.com/Photos/Digi-Key%20Photos/PCB-RULER-12INCH.JPG everybody get their free one in the mail?
09:44 PM pfred1: each piece cost like $6,500
09:45 PM XXCoder: not me
09:45 PM XXCoder: but then im not registered in any machinist websites so far I know of.
09:46 PM Wolf__: I haven’t been to my house in a week so I might have one in the mailbox lol
09:46 PM pfred1: under the original eaves i saw the most amazing thing
09:46 PM pfred1: clear pine boards 20 feet long and over a foot wide
09:46 PM pfred1: not a knot in them
09:48 PM XXCoder: dang
09:48 PM pfred1: that wood was over 120 years old
09:48 PM pfred1: it got drawn there on horse carriages
09:49 PM pfred1: but we had to cut it up with a chainsaw so we could get it down a garbage chute
09:50 PM pfred1: there was also this blonde that worked there that was pretty amazing too she almost caused accidents evey time she walked by
09:52 PM pfred1: ah here's a picture of the whole joint http://www.dtsnewjersey.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Front-CsE.jpg
09:53 PM Wolf__: only somewhat well known place i got to work on was the kennedy center in DC
09:53 PM pfred1: that's big time
09:54 PM pfred1: I've worked on secret jobs
09:54 PM pfred1: like i can show you where they back up the data from Wall St.
09:55 PM pfred1: Google maps will tell you it's a "law office"
09:55 PM pfred1: but we put 3 generators in that place the size of freight locomotives
09:55 PM Wolf__: I caulked windows of one of the NSA building
09:56 PM pfred1: plus they got a room the size of a basketball court in there with shelves of batteries to tide them ove til them puppies can kick in
09:56 PM Wolf__: was funny as hell watching everyone inside scramble to cover shit up when we set the scaffold up lol
09:56 PM pfred1: heh
09:57 PM pfred1: I worked at the bell labs campus
09:57 PM pfred1: where they invented the transistor and UNIX
09:57 PM pfred1: they had a nut up there that walked backwards everywhere
09:58 PM pfred1: he didn't walk slow eitehr
09:58 PM pfred1: I swear to god he'd look over his shoulder and walk backwards
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10:15 PM XXCoder: pfred1: crazy
10:16 PM pfred1: XXCoder sometimes there's no line between genius and insanity
10:16 PM XXCoder: if guy cross and recrosses uit often yeah lol
10:17 PM pfred1: its not a normal mental state
10:19 PM pfred1: on that job they'd kick contractors off site if they stacked materials sloppily
10:19 PM pfred1: because it might mess with the thought train of the researchers
10:20 PM XXCoder: sometimes mind state is quite valuable
10:20 PM XXCoder: as it may lead some new idea
10:20 PM XXCoder: but yeah hard to preduct
10:20 PM pfred1: they also had the coolest transformer explosion up ther eI eve saw
10:21 PM pfred1: it looked just like a tactical nuke hit the joint nice tall mushroom cloud and everything
10:21 PM pfred1: we all cheered and shouted do it again!
10:22 PM Wolf__: haha
10:22 PM pfred1: it was really sharp
10:24 PM XXCoder: https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/ikea-game-of-thrones-fur-rug-cape-instructions.jpg heh
10:25 PM XXCoder: yes that is real ikea instructions
10:25 PM Wolf__: lol is it?
10:25 PM XXCoder: yeah after ikea found out they sued ikea rugs to make cloaks
10:25 PM XXCoder: they made that
10:25 PM XXCoder: *used
10:26 PM pfred1: a lot of documentation is not as goal oriented
10:27 PM pfred1: I've been wading through tons of practiclaly useless documentation lately. I hesitate to call any of it instructions, because it isn't.
10:27 PM XXCoder: http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/08/ikea-respond-to-revelations-that-game-of-thrones-jon-snows-cape-is-actually-an-ikea-rug-6836917/
10:27 PM XXCoder: ikea employees made some
10:28 PM pfred1: I knew one of the cast of game of thrones
10:29 PM pfred1: he used to stop in a gas station I worked in long ago
10:29 PM XXCoder: not surpised
10:29 PM pfred1: he'd hop out of his car and chat with us
10:29 PM pfred1: whih wasn't quite normal
10:30 PM XXCoder: I found out I was 2 away from who who did home invasion that ultimated killed a cop here
10:30 PM XXCoder: that guy was my coworker's nephew
10:30 PM pfred1: but yeah I used to shoot the breeze with Peter Dinklage
10:30 PM XXCoder: dunno who but cool :)
10:31 PM pfred1: he's the dwarf
10:31 PM XXCoder: yeah I dont watch game of thrones :)
10:31 PM pfred1: he has been in other stuff too
10:31 PM pfred1: I remember seeing him on the screen for the first time, I was like i know him