#linuxcnc Logs

Jan 03 2018

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:01 AM Connor: 4-Jaw vs 6-Jaw ferrule Crimper? Which is best?
12:07 AM Chris_Morley: L29ah_:https://forum.linuxcnc.org/30-cnc-machines/26757-emco-compact-5-interface-with-linuxcnc-painless
12:08 AM Chris_Morley: L29Ah_: changes steprate on the fly
12:23 AM L29Ah_: Chris_Morley: i don't see such a logic in the thread or in http://electronicsam.com/images/emco/linuxcnc_configs/Latest/Half-fullstepMorph/
12:25 AM L29Ah_: oh, i see the different stepgens' definitions but missing the switching logic
12:25 AM L29Ah_: looks magic
12:25 AM L29Ah_: i guess i should rtfm
12:29 AM L29Ah_: oh it seems like there are separate packs of pins for different microstepping modes :/
12:30 AM L29Ah_: > lut5
12:30 AM L29Ah_: ok i got it i think
12:30 AM L29Ah_: thank you :3
12:35 AM L29Ah_: okay, looks like it won't switch the microstepping mode automatically for the appropriate speed
12:37 AM L29Ah_: okay looks like it will!
12:37 AM L29Ah_: the hal thing is so cryptic
12:37 AM L29Ah_: awesome
02:05 AM Deejay: moin
02:16 AM gloops: well, ran a scribe clamped on the z across all the machine bed - across full width of y and x - .5mm out over 1100x900, before and adjustments, the scary reality is dawning that this might just work lol
02:23 AM archivist: dont panic!
02:27 AM * Wolf__ says panic…
02:28 AM Wolf__: look at this, lathe has a lead screw again https://i.imgur.com/dbbG2m4.jpg =)
02:29 AM gloops: looking well Wolf
02:29 AM Wolf__: now I just need to make a thread dial...
02:30 AM gloops: thats one of my first jobs when im done - clean and service my poor lathe...its got 6 months of grime and oil stuck to it
02:30 AM gloops: make a thread dial - or fit one?
02:30 AM archivist: that stock of metal in the tray is going to hit your knuckles
02:31 AM Wolf__: yeah, I need to clean up that mess
02:31 AM gloops: magnet
02:32 AM Wolf__: its all aluminum lol
02:32 AM archivist: I dont understand why the leadscrew was missing
02:32 AM Wolf__: I dont either…
02:33 AM archivist: still in the pile left behind!
02:33 AM Wolf__: even better I found that southbend stop and a 2nd stop in his garage…
02:34 AM Wolf__: along with 5 more axa holders and a turrent tail stock thinger
02:37 AM holzjunkie1 is now known as holzjunkie
02:41 AM gloops: im going to drag the spindle out on mine and check the bearings
02:41 AM gloops: no movement in it but ive been grinding and generally abusing it, a cleaning wouldnt hurt
02:42 AM Wolf__: been several things i have found in this mess of stuff that make no sense
02:43 AM gloops: probably just stuff accumulated with the lathe over the years Wolf, i got a chuck with mine thats for a far bigger lathe, no idea why it was in the box
02:44 AM archivist: source was supposed to be a self employed contract machinist, so missing stuff is odd
02:45 AM gloops: somebody probably had the chuck laid around for years in the way - ahh we're selling this lathe, put that chuck in the box and all these random bits and bobs
02:45 AM archivist: auctions are like that or the kids selling parents effects
02:46 AM Wolf__: what he said, I can understand stuff getting tossed out after sitting around for years, finding odd things mixed in on the other hand is weird in this case
02:46 AM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/CrXVsF4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/KcwqMrj.jpg
02:47 AM Wolf__: 1” cutters, no arbor…
02:47 AM archivist: oooooo 1" cutters
02:47 AM archivist: I use them on the horizontal mill
02:48 AM gloops: i bought an old hobbies scroll saw at the weekend - son selling dads stuff, was 4 hours late because of traffic jam, to collect, in the end just got the saw and left - shed was full of old tackle but it was dark, pity might have been some gems
02:48 AM archivist: one does get odd stuff over the years, I know I have unmatched stuff
02:49 AM Wolf__: or that he decided that he wants to keep half of his aluminum and plastic rod stock
02:49 AM Wolf__: mostly the longer pieces…
02:50 AM archivist: I got a huge pile of books and some electronics from the kids clearing their dads house, some car loads 5 iirc
02:52 AM Wolf__: oh and the full tap guide set… why I have no clue, like you run in to needing to tap stuff around the house often?
02:53 AM gloops: use to have though
02:53 AM gloops: useful
02:53 AM archivist: got the set just in case probably
02:55 AM archivist: an item some rarely use, others use all the time
02:55 AM Wolf__: this sort of thing… https://www.ebay.com/itm/391120744386
02:56 AM Wolf__: so I have the spare one with like 5 tap holder...
02:57 AM gloops: some tools you would never buy becuase theyre expensive and youd never use them - until the day you need one, and then you need it
02:58 AM gloops: how many times have we said - sht i could have had one of those
02:58 AM archivist: I tend to use the drill press or lathe to get a tap straight
02:58 AM Wolf__: I kinda get that, on the other hand, wtf is he going to do with all the metal/acetal stock w/ no bandsaw or mill/lathe lol
02:58 AM archivist: make an offer!
02:59 AM Wolf__: at first it was all included lol
02:59 AM Wolf__: I still have stuff over there to pick up tho
03:00 AM archivist: those hand tappers were common many years ago amongst model engineers
03:00 AM Wolf__: he also decided to keep the surface plate, which that doesnt bother me as much lol
03:04 AM holzjunkie1 is now known as holzjunkie
03:05 AM Wolf__: huge amount of reamers, none undersized =/ annoying
03:07 AM gloops: well, having got my router all moving and turning by hand, god knows how many holes ive drill and tapped, one last look at it, because its all coming to bits, every last bit lol, finish the welds and paint
03:07 AM archivist: we all end up with tools we dont use
03:08 AM archivist: to cold to paint, start using
03:08 AM Wolf__: yeah, I just found it odd to have like 10 1/4” reamers, no one undersized
03:08 AM Wolf__: no/not
03:08 AM gloops: nah, im gonna stand firm and paint it, it will never get done once the motors are on
03:08 AM gloops: few more days or so
03:09 AM MarcelineVQ: We'e got this inexplicable set of what look like reamers here but also don't, I need to take a pic some time and ask about them
03:09 AM Wolf__: I also found out that I need to get a mill vice that doesnt suck
03:13 AM archivist: often have to make jigs and holding devices for some tyes of work, not the vices fault
03:14 AM Wolf__: current vice the moving jaw lifts when clamping
03:15 AM gloops: tighten gibs?
03:16 AM gloops: oh the jaw
03:17 AM Wolf__: really I’m not even sure if its really a milling vice lol
03:18 AM gloops: i got a 2 way vice, was pretty dismayed at first, movement all over, until i spent a bit of time seeing how it all adjusted - its ok for me with eveything tight - just so it can still be turned
03:19 AM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/neq0oOn.jpg
03:20 AM Wolf__: not impressed lol
03:20 AM gloops: should nip up
03:20 AM Wolf__: other annoying thing is it doesnt open very large
03:21 AM Wolf__: it does tram in very nicely though
03:22 AM Wolf__: drops in dead nuts with the keys in it
03:43 AM archivist: Wolf__, file/grind/scrape out the wear on that vice
03:44 AM Wolf__: i’ll have to take a good look at it
03:45 AM archivist: that looks a lot better than the one I have
03:46 AM archivist: mine is in the middle of that chair spider image :) http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_04_17_Southbend_lathe/IMG_1796.JPG
03:49 AM MarcelineVQ: truly a terrifying creature
03:51 AM archivist: needed to fit new wheels as the fat owner had worn them out
04:10 AM gloops: got a tin of grey paint, what they paint pylons and bridges with, nice colour dries wuick, but surprised the surface when dry is pretty weak, just scores off easily
04:10 AM IchGucksLive: hi
04:10 AM IchGucksLive: what a storm
04:11 AM IchGucksLive: guests up to 140Km/h
04:12 AM gloops: breezy
05:37 AM Tom_L: 13F
05:38 AM jthornton: heat wave here 19°F
05:52 AM gloops: all plans of a seamless spra job have gone, 2 coats of thick black sht are the order of the day
05:52 AM gloops: brushed on
05:53 AM archivist: what! hiding the blemishes like an MOT weld :)
05:54 AM gloops: spraying is not going to happen heh, garage is upside down and just take too long to prep, its only to keep the rust getting on the wood anyway im not bothered what it looks like
06:45 AM fragalot: Hi guy
06:45 AM fragalot: s
06:47 AM jthornton: hey
07:14 AM skunkworks_: L29Ah_, good luck with the micro-> full step morph. Linuxcnc is pretty darn cool
08:54 AM IchGucksLive: hi
08:54 AM IchGucksLive: somany trees down here
08:54 AM gloops: missed the worst of it where i am, think wales took a battering though
08:57 AM Loetmichel: hmpf... just tried to start my BMW convertible thats parked for the winter at the company... *Klack* *brrrrrr* no starter... luckily i bought a 17Ah AGM starter pack last month... Note to self: running the engine to charge the battery every month isnt enough. Should do that every two weeks or the battery will find an untimely end soon :-(
08:59 AM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel: did you get pounded up there
08:59 AM IchGucksLive: or did both miss the region
09:00 AM gloops: theres been a tree in my village for about 6 months - 60ft high, it fell but another tree stopped it, leaning straight to the road, one day theyre both gonna go over if nobody sorts it
09:00 AM Loetmichel: i am at the moment
09:00 AM Loetmichel: the "fabric garage" i have over it nearly blew away just a few minutes ago
09:04 AM gloops: tree surgeon quotes £3500 to remove
09:13 AM gregcnc_: Loetmichel, something is draining your battery. I have no such problem with mine.
09:14 AM Loetmichel: gregcnc_: yes, i suspect the switch for the trunk light
09:14 AM Loetmichel: it sometimes stays on
09:24 AM Simonious: how do I get just an outline or selected lines of an STL in Fusion 360?
09:25 AM IchGucksLive: Simonious: wrong channel
09:26 AM * Simonious chuckles
09:26 AM Simonious: that's fair
09:26 AM IchGucksLive: best is to make a drawing and use the DXF
09:27 AM IchGucksLive: or include the STL and make a Pocket outline respect the STL and the bit is as long as the pocket with one depth path
09:28 AM Simonious: your DXF statement made sense to me, the next one did not.
09:31 AM enleth: miss0r: do you have, by any chance, some favourites among the "cult" movies or directors? the likes of Kubrick, Lynch, Fellini, Fincher, Jarmusch, etc.
09:32 AM miss0r: enleth: I guess i'm a Lord of the rings guy. Why you ask?
09:33 AM IchGucksLive: later
09:36 AM enleth: miss0r: planning a small gift for the trouble with the VFD, although I don't have anything LoTR-themed
09:37 AM miss0r: enleth: That is nice of you, but theres realy no need. I'm just happy you're happy.
09:37 AM miss0r: Perhaps you have som warsaw makerspace stickers I can put on my tool closet?
09:39 AM enleth: miss0r: right, I do. I'll send some your way.
10:56 AM gloops: how would you define the axis on an arm that could move 360 in x/y and 180 in z/y
10:56 AM gloops: and z/x
10:56 AM archivist: the conventional ABC etc get a bit murky when you rotate them
10:57 AM gloops: just pondering it, for no real reason
10:58 AM fragalot: O hallo.
10:58 AM gloops: that machine could work on all the surfaces inside a cube
10:58 AM archivist: my B becomes a C when A rotates 90, so I ignore that sillyness and stick with B
11:00 AM gloops: well i suppose all the co-ordinates that are possible in xyz are still the same, its just how to rationalise them with the movement the particular machine makes
11:01 AM archivist: depends how good with maths, you can play with kins, I dont though
11:02 AM gloops: yes the maths becomes a brick wall when i look at kins, for now anyway
11:03 AM archivist: some operations are just stacked on each other, that is more like where I am at
11:05 AM Connor: Hey guys.. Couple of questions.. First, A 4-Jaw vs 6-Jaw ferrule Crimper? Which is best?
11:07 AM fragalot: Connor: 6 jaw provides more even pressure, whilst a 4-jaw may make it easier to fit your wire into the terminal afterwards if it's a bit of a tight fit
11:07 AM Connor: Second: I'm wiring up my VFD and enclosure. I was thinking of running 220 single phase + neutral into the box so I could add a 120v axillary outlet (thinking of lighting, or power feeds) and my DRO. I found that the DRO can run on 80-240V so, I can run it without the neutral. I have to pull a neutral for the power outlet.. wondering if it's worth swapping out the outlet, pulling the wire etc just to have a 120v outlet right off the
11:08 AM Connor: I don't have power feeds yet.. and the light can probably plug into a 120 outlet right at the same place the 220 is coming from. (Not suppose to share the neutral).
11:09 AM Connor: Thoughts?
11:10 AM fragalot: no comment. US electrical systems scare me.
11:12 AM gregcnc_: you could install a transformer and skip the neutral
11:12 AM Wolf__: most 220 machines use a isolation transformer for 110 systems onboard
11:13 AM Connor: Not much room left in the enclosure. I'm just wondering if it's worth pulling the wire for the lighting and power feeds that don't yet exist..
11:14 AM Todd_Z: Electricity should scare you, it makes you give it the respect it needs.
11:14 AM archivist: keep left hand in jeans pocket
11:14 AM Wolf__: if you dont give it that respect it sometimes comes and burns your playhouse down
11:15 AM archivist: but if you got a shock at a past job we all lolled
11:16 AM Wolf__: if you do run a neutral to the box I would add a breaker for whatever your planning to hook up as 110 leg
11:16 AM archivist: generally it was mains across ones wrist
11:17 AM Wolf__: i’ve been zapped a few times
11:18 AM archivist: I was in TV repair, was an occupational hazard
11:18 AM Wolf__: underground streetlight/house feeder repair guy...
11:19 AM Wolf__: find and repair underground faults
11:19 AM gregcnc_: my new welder https://www.instagram.com/p/BdImDF8lS-y/
11:19 AM archivist: did you use TDR to find to dug
11:20 AM Wolf__: leakage usually
11:20 AM Todd_Z: I got the bejesus scared out of me once, locked out the wrong breaker. Luckally the arc flash was only between my rubber handleld allen wrench and a ground and not to me.
11:23 AM Connor: Wolf_ Already have a breaker. It's a 220v 20Amp. Just no neutral ran at the time.
11:23 AM Connor: I can just pull the neutral and change the outlet from 3 prong to 4 prong outlet.
11:24 AM Wolf__: yeah, any short at your added 110 needs to trip half of that 220 breaker....
11:25 AM Connor: It should.. shouldn't it?
11:25 AM gregcnc_: no different than a short on one leg of the 220?
11:26 AM Connor: As far as I know.. that's up to code. Clothes Dryers are 220/120 mixed..
11:26 AM djdelorie: IIRC 220 breakers are designed to trip both sides if either side overloads
11:26 AM Connor: I know this because I had a fuse box and they had each Leg on a fuse.. the dryer stopped working.. but the light was still on. :)
11:26 AM gregcnc_: if you were adding a 110 branch line from a 220 breaker, code gets specific about how that would be done
11:26 AM djdelorie: also IIRC what you can't do these days is use the ground as a 110 return on a 220 line... you have to use the neutral
11:27 AM Connor: djdelorie: Correct.. That's why I have to pull the neutral. :)
11:27 AM IchGucksLive: hi
11:28 AM djdelorie: also IIRC the neutral needs to be the same gauge as the hots, while the ground can be smaller (higher gauge)
11:35 AM djdelorie: I wonder if we've gotten to the point where enough things are "smart" and run on 90-250VAC so we no longer need 110 circuits...
11:37 AM gregcnc_: I doubt it
11:37 AM IchGucksLive: are newer citys gone to 220 ?
11:37 AM synfinatic: will happen about the same time we get a worldwide standard on outlet formfactor
11:38 AM archivist: will never happen :)
11:38 AM fragalot: haha
11:39 AM djdelorie: we have a standard, the rest of the world just doesn't use it ;-)
11:39 AM fragalot: synfinatic: you can choose between worse-than-lego to step on UK plugs, or deadly if grabbed the wrong way US ones.
11:39 AM synfinatic: AC wiring/plugs are a total disaster
11:40 AM synfinatic: I've been researching welders and they commonly use a 50A plug. but none of the welders I'm looking at actually need a 50A circuit. very confusing
11:40 AM archivist: fragalot, I bet the schuko burn out more often :)
11:40 AM djdelorie: and remember, if USA plugs are surprised to see you, you've installed them upside-down...
11:40 AM djdelorie: synfinatic: I wonder if they're designed to use dryer outlets, which are typically 50A, for convenience...
11:40 AM synfinatic: wut?
11:41 AM synfinatic: dryers are typically 240V/30 4 prong
11:41 AM fragalot: archivist: at least they don't burn you :P
11:42 AM synfinatic: which is what I ran for my 60gal air compressor, even though I don't need 30A, but the neutral was useful for running the AC fans for my after-cooler
11:42 AM synfinatic: since they're 120V
11:42 AM gregcnc_: i just bought 220V fans
11:42 AM gregcnc_: uh wait
11:43 AM synfinatic: guess I didn't look hard enough for 220/240V fans
11:43 AM gregcnc_: that was probably something else
11:43 AM synfinatic: the fans are pretty small... two of them cover the automotive oil cooler I'm using
11:44 AM synfinatic: that + the two levels of water seperation and wow, i can't believe what a huge difference it made
11:44 AM synfinatic: and i'm in NorCal where the air isn't that humid
11:45 AM synfinatic: near zero water when I drain the tank now
11:45 AM MrHindsight: branch circuits http://www.ecmweb.com/code-basics/branch-circuits-part-1
11:46 AM gregcnc_: yes i did same, never see water in the separator after the tank, but i haven't checked the tank drain itself in a while
11:46 AM MrHindsight: Both line-to-line and line-to-neutral loads if the circuit is protected by a device such as a multipole circuit breaker with a common internal trip that opens all ungrounded conductors of the multiwire branch circuit simultaneously under a fault condition [210.4(C) Ex 2].
11:46 AM Connor: djdelorie: Upside down?
11:47 AM djdelorie: Connor: ideally the ground pin should be on top, in case anything metal falls between the plug and outlet
11:47 AM synfinatic: Connor troll'n :)
11:48 AM djdelorie: but most are installed ground-pin-down, so it looks like a face
11:48 AM Connor: As far as I know, they're isn't a code that says which way they go. I tend to install with the ground at the bottom. Most commercial places I see have the ground prong up. I've been told because ...
11:48 AM Connor: yea.. because of what you just said..
11:48 AM djdelorie: I don't know if it's code, I just know stories where it mattered.
11:48 AM synfinatic: huh, never heard of that. don't think i've ever seen it upside down
11:49 AM djdelorie: the story was that something flat and metal slid off the back of a desk, and knife-edged itself behind a plug, shorted, sparks, etc.
11:50 AM archivist: shrouded pins stops that
11:51 AM djdelorie: yup, there are some advantages to the UK hardware, that's one
11:54 AM fragalot: or the EU hardware where the knife can't hit the contacts either way
11:54 AM roycroft: djdelorie: has your incra jig template drawer worked out well for you?
11:54 AM fragalot: even if the plug isn't inserted fully
11:54 AM djdelorie: roycroft: yup
11:54 AM roycroft: i'm in the midst of my router table build right now
11:55 AM roycroft: and i'm starting to lay out the drawers
11:55 AM roycroft: yours looks pretty good for the templated
11:55 AM roycroft: templates
11:55 AM djdelorie: yeah, it's perfect for the templates and the book
11:55 AM roycroft: although i would probably make a few more slots for custom templates
11:56 AM roycroft: i want a drawer to hold 'b' size drawings as well, and that would be pretty much the same dimensions as the template/book drawer, so they would stack nicely
11:58 AM roycroft: tomorrow is plastic laminate day, one of my least favorite shop tasks
11:58 AM djdelorie: my last few shop days have involved taking bedliner off plastic motorcycle fairings
11:58 AM roycroft: when done well, i do like the end result, but i hate working with the stuff
11:59 AM djdelorie: http://www.delorie.com/photos/motorcycle/img_3600.html
12:00 PM djdelorie: the laminate top I put on my table just used contact cement, no surprises there, although an uneven application of the cement will telegraph through to the surface
12:01 PM djdelorie: although it's wood, I was trying to keep it as flat as possible
12:03 PM roycroft: i use contact cement as well
12:03 PM roycroft: i use a special roller made for contact cement, and that helps me apply it evenly
12:04 PM roycroft: i don't like the fumes of the solvent-based stuff
12:04 PM roycroft: the water-based stuff requires multiple coats and takes too long to kick off
12:04 PM roycroft: but what i really dislike is the mess made when trimming the laminate
12:05 PM roycroft: i put up an ez-up the other day outside the shop, for pattern cutting mdf, which is also a material i dislike working with
12:05 PM roycroft: i'll just haul the parts outside to trim when i apply the laminate
12:06 PM roycroft: that will keep the little plastic bits out of the shop, but they'll still be all over me
12:06 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: like that? -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5077
12:14 PM roycroft: hopefully not, but likely so
12:15 PM roycroft: http://www.roycroft.us/Clamps.jpeg
12:15 PM roycroft: i used a lot of clamps on the glueup yesterday
12:16 PM roycroft: it's difficult to see in that picture, but something i did that i think will work out well is make a support for the router lift
12:16 PM roycroft: the lift has set screws to adjust the height, and i've found in the past that they start digging into the mdf over time and have to be readjusted periodically
12:17 PM roycroft: so i welded up a frame out of 3/16" steel and sandwiched it in between the two layers of mdf around the router lift opening
12:25 PM vcoderlab: Hi all. Is it possible to monitor input pins of LPT port in LinuxCNC? My machine has limit switches on the axes, but I do not know which pins in the LPT port they correspond to. I could press them, watching the state of the input signals.
12:27 PM Deejay: hal monitor?
12:27 PM vcoderlab: Maybe...
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: vcoderlab: there are Russion based irc cnc channels
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: and also a russion based clone
12:46 PM Rab: These people seem pretty cool, based on their great gcodetools extension for Inkscape: http://www.cnc-club.ru/
12:46 PM Rab: And they have a LinuxCNC forum.
01:00 PM vcoderlab: Thanks. I found pins states in HAL settings.
01:01 PM vcoderlab: I found my question too insignificant to ask it in the forum.
01:03 PM vcoderlab: I know cnc-club.ru and gcodetools. I used gcodetools for pcb milling.
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: vcoderlab: pcb-gcode is a better option
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: vcoderlab: you can go for HAL-Show and add all inputs to a watchlist
01:08 PM MrHindsight: vcoderlab: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Parallel_Port_Tester
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: MrHindsight: not what he wanted
01:10 PM MrHindsight: IchGucksLive: how do you know?
01:10 PM MrHindsight: I'm not a mind reader
01:11 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: you scared him :(
01:11 PM jdh: sounds like what he wanted
01:11 PM MrHindsight: he's not scared
01:11 PM fragalot: :P
01:12 PM MrHindsight: ichs has been in the channel for 10 years
01:13 PM gloops: lol, Ichs made a smart kick avoidance manouvre there
01:13 PM MrHindsight: maybe he wanted to check the LPT pins manually?
01:15 PM vcoderlab: I wanted to determine which switches belongs to which pins. I did this using Watch tab it HAL configuration dialog.
01:15 PM vcoderlab: * in HAL config dialog
01:16 PM TechWombat: Hi everyone, has anyone made or knows how I might go making a CNC machine that stamps letters into metal?
01:17 PM gloops: interesting idea TechWombat
01:17 PM MrHindsight: using dies?
01:17 PM MrHindsight: vs engraving
01:17 PM fragalot: use a tall high pitch Z-axis without counterweight and remove power after inserting die
01:17 PM gloops: Ichs will be my best mate in a few days anyway im on his side
01:18 PM MrHindsight: forming a football team?
01:18 PM fragalot: do you need something from Ichs? :P
01:18 PM gloops: no ill be wiring a machine up
01:18 PM fragalot: haha
01:18 PM * gloops plays deutzschland is great
01:19 PM MrHindsight: TechWombat: are you also working on the CNC drill bit machine?
01:19 PM gloops: a cnc punch, i can only think of using a spring or pneumatics, like an air rifle
01:20 PM gloops: a motor could rewind the spring which latches ready for firing again
01:20 PM fragalot: typewriter style
01:20 PM TechWombat: Thanks gloops, problem being in Mexico anything to could be a gun part is highly illigal
01:21 PM fragalot: TechWombat: could it be a gun part if it's inside-out?
01:21 PM Wolf__: nail gun
01:21 PM fragalot: also, there is no projectile
01:21 PM fragalot: why would it be a gun
01:21 PM gregcnc_: what is the end goal/feature?
01:21 PM TechWombat: Nail gun would work thanks Wolf____
01:21 PM MrHindsight: he didn't say what size letters and how deep, could be more of a steam pile driver
01:21 PM gloops: just a compression spring inside cyclinder, a low geared stepper could pull it back
01:21 PM TechWombat: We are looking for them to just easy to read
01:22 PM fragalot: TechWombat: mind if we ask more information before everyone invents a different technique that may not be ideal?
01:22 PM fragalot: what are the letters being stamped into
01:22 PM gregcnc_: something faster than actual engraving?
01:22 PM fragalot: how large are they
01:22 PM fragalot: how "fast" should this be?
01:22 PM TechWombat: Oh no fragalot, I would like as many ideas I can so I can take it my boss see what likes
01:22 PM Wolf__: fast easy to read, fiber laser imo =P
01:22 PM MrHindsight: how many different letters?
01:22 PM gloops: impact driver
01:23 PM fragalot: TechWombat: just asking because there are a lot of low tech solutions for high tech problems
01:23 PM TechWombat: Yeah I said laser but, they are hard to come by
01:23 PM gloops: but how do you even change the letters
01:23 PM MrHindsight: can M be used for W?
01:23 PM fragalot: gloops: each letter is on the perimeter of a wheel, the part moves under and the required wheels rotate in sync with the part :P
01:23 PM gloops: yes takes it down to 25..
01:24 PM gloops: MrHindsight
01:24 PM fragalot: matrix printing is another alternative
01:24 PM jdh: ININ?
01:26 PM gloops: i think laser or mill/router is more convenient
01:26 PM MrHindsight: maybe a form for the mail list with all the usual questions
01:26 PM jdh: I do laser, matrix, milling engraving at work.
01:27 PM jdh: matrix is most sucky
01:27 PM MrHindsight: what do you want to make? what size? How fast? What materials? etc etc
01:27 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: the thing, yesterday, unobtanium
01:27 PM gregcnc_: like those forms for chat service on websites
01:27 PM fragalot: MrHindsight: also I won't pay but you can use my part for publicity reasons.
01:28 PM MrHindsight: budget? and can you pay cash in advance?
01:28 PM fragalot: y'know, get your name out there.
01:28 PM gregcnc_: i'll tell all my friends about the great job you did
01:28 PM MrHindsight: I'm the idiot that almost made this idiots machine, got it
01:29 PM MrHindsight: how many pats on the back do you get?
01:29 PM * fragalot takes this opportunity to figure out where he can get 20mm alu tooling plate from
01:30 PM MrHindsight: are pats anything like bitcoins?
01:31 PM fragalot: y'know, if I kept the bitcoins I "mined for fun" almost a decade ago i'd be laughing right now, lol
01:31 PM MrHindsight: I wonder how many have been lost
01:31 PM fragalot: gloops: what does "unfoliert" mean?
01:32 PM fragalot: quite a lot i'd imagine
01:32 PM gloops: i dont know fragalot
01:32 PM fragalot: gloops: https://www.dold-mechatronik.de/Aluminiumplatten-unfoliert-20mm
01:33 PM gloops: oh yes - without foil
01:33 PM fragalot: Right
01:34 PM gloops: are you buying alu plates fragalot?
01:34 PM fragalot: looking at my options
01:34 PM fragalot: so far i've ordered all the hardware & electrical gadgettery, so i'm looking at my options for frame materials
01:34 PM gloops: the cast ones are best, unless you can machine them
01:36 PM fragalot: I only have the RF45 at my disposal to machine them, which is better than nothing.
01:36 PM gloops: http://picpaste.com/plates_002-VuiGsPjC.JPG
01:36 PM gloops: the rolled and extruded is not accurate, if thats important
01:36 PM fragalot: it is
01:37 PM gloops: the cast that is ready surfaced is best
01:37 PM fragalot: got an online source for those?
01:37 PM fragalot: (local depots hate non-professional customers with a passion)
01:37 PM gloops: lol, these are the bent ones, but yeah i got a link
01:37 PM fragalot: that's not what i meant >.<
01:38 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aluminium-Flat-Bar-Plate-width-from-120mm-to-250mm-many-thicknesses-and-lengths/151080276666?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=450190730459&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
01:39 PM gloops: ahh you want the cast, what do they call it now
01:41 PM gloops: https://www.clickmetal.co.uk/click-by-category/plate/aluminium-tooling-plate
01:42 PM gloops: almost double the price
01:42 PM fragalot: double the price is half the effort
01:42 PM gloops: true
01:42 PM gloops: i cant remember the code for it someone will know in here, might be cheaper elsewhere
01:43 PM ziper: how quickly should I jump on this https://keys.craigslist.org/tls/d/atlas-metal-lathe/6445301230.html
01:43 PM gloops: the old Atlas
01:44 PM gloops: not a bad price id say?
01:45 PM gloops: i got 12.5 mm plate for a router, i should have bought 20mm plate, for a mill i dont know
01:46 PM fragalot: not bad indeed considering what (seems) to come with it, but you can't tell from a picture really
01:46 PM fragalot: gloops: i'm going for 20mm, and the rails are doubled up too for rigidity
01:46 PM fragalot: still debating the granite base
01:48 PM ziper: so as long as nothing is ruined, you think?
01:48 PM ziper: does that kind of table look ok?
01:49 PM fragalot: not really
01:50 PM fragalot: again, hard to tell from pictures shot with a potato :P
01:50 PM gloops: not sure with the lathe bed, some are designed to be self levelling, as in they are rigid enough in their own right
01:50 PM fragalot: no lathe is rigid enough in it's own right
01:50 PM fragalot: even a 12 ton hardinge will flex
01:51 PM gloops: looks like hes used it with that table, spare chucks faceplate etc, you dont know without going to see it might be shakey as hell
01:51 PM gregcnc_: stand has zero value, build another
01:52 PM gregcnc_: if you don't like it
01:52 PM gregcnc_: if that was listed around here it would have been gone yesterday
01:53 PM gloops: true that bench does look a bit tinny but look a the stock under - its taking some weight and the drawer still opens
01:53 PM ziper: its only been up for a day!
01:53 PM gregcnc_: that's exactly what I mean, cheap for around here
01:53 PM ziper: thats why I want to go down there and throw down a deposit asap even if I cant get it till later in the week
01:53 PM gloops: ziper if you are in one of those areas where machines are scarce buy iy, you can always sell it on if no good
01:55 PM gregcnc_: if you have nothing and want a lathe I'd say buy. At least if you thrash it it won't a huge loss.
01:55 PM fragalot: mexicoooó https://imgur.com/gallery/O1usS
01:55 PM gregcnc_: otherwise what can you buy for that kinf of money?
01:56 PM fragalot: gregcnc_: lathe tooling
01:56 PM fragalot: :P
01:56 PM gregcnc_: if you have a lathe to use?
01:57 PM fragalot: you can never have enough tooling
01:57 PM fragalot: it's like clamps
01:57 PM gregcnc_: i know
01:57 PM gregcnc_: but I assume ziper has no lathe at this point
01:58 PM fragalot: buy milling cutters instead then
02:00 PM roycroft: i ran pretty low on clamps last night :)
02:01 PM gloops: my lathe is 100 years old and still turns aluminium http://picpaste.com/insert_009-M6rvC61s.JPG
02:01 PM roycroft: 36 clamps and 24 screws for my glueup
02:01 PM gloops: hasnt been cleaned for that time either, its unlucky
02:01 PM fragalot: roycroft: There is no such thing as "enough" is there? :D
02:02 PM roycroft: there really isn't, when it comes to clamps
02:02 PM fragalot: gloops: I was more surprised my 2 year old lathe does that.
02:02 PM gregcnc_: aluminum?
02:02 PM fragalot: granted, I did have to get rid of the top slide
02:02 PM fragalot: gregcnc_: nah i'm joking :-)
02:03 PM fragalot: everyone is a hero in alu
02:03 PM gloops: yeah, i filled a thin steel pipe with ally for that
02:04 PM gloops: not that im tight fisted or anything lol
02:05 PM fragalot: I think the phrase is "ham-fisted" in your case ;)
02:13 PM gloops: lol, dont be deceived by the ragged appearance fragalot, this is highly precise work im doing
02:13 PM gloops: these were a sweat on fit
02:14 PM fragalot: :D
02:15 PM ziper: how did you make the teeth
02:17 PM Tom_L: that part is easy
02:17 PM Tom_L: you go online and specify how many you want and they ship it to you
02:17 PM Tom_L: then you secure it to the end of a hunk of aluminum and take a pic of it
02:17 PM ziper: lol
02:19 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Z_Axis_Pulley.jpg
02:19 PM Tom_L: my lathe makes teeth too :D
02:19 PM gloops: ziper i didnt make the teeth on this occasion
02:20 PM Tom_L: gloops how's your project coming?
02:21 PM gloops: Tom_L started painting, still quite a bit to do though really, maybe get some movement next week
02:22 PM Tom_L: i got one motor mounted last night
02:23 PM gloops: waiting till theyre all on before testing anything?
02:23 PM Tom_L: i've run the motors but i'll wait til it's all together i think
02:23 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/X_MotorMount3.jpg
02:23 PM Tom_L: not pretty but it's solid
02:24 PM gloops: ive got 2 screws on one axis, which could be the bugbear of th whole thing, tempted to get that working before fitting the others
02:26 PM Tom_L: separate motors or one?
02:26 PM gloops: should be fine
02:26 PM gloops: 2 motors 2 screws, uncharted territory for me
02:26 PM fragalot: :D
02:29 PM gloops: the rest is straightforward and i know it will work
03:07 PM Shania: hallo
03:07 PM fragalot: Hello.
03:08 PM Shania: sprich jemand deutsch?
03:09 PM Shania: hab fragen zu selbstbau cnc fräse
03:10 PM fragalot: Ask your questions and someone may answer them
03:13 PM Shania: kann man unterschiedliche antriebswellen nehmen?
03:13 PM Shania: oder auch unterschiedliche schrittmotoren?
03:13 PM Shania: soll ich nema 23 nehmen oder nema 17 die vieleicht schwächer sind?
03:15 PM fragalot: Each axis can have a different mechanism with a different motor
03:15 PM fragalot: as for the size motor, that depends on the mechanism you use, and how heavy the load is
03:15 PM gloops: Ichsguckslive sprechen die deutsch
03:16 PM Shania: ich sprech deutsch
03:16 PM gloops: Loetmichel
03:16 PM gloops: Ichsguckslive nein here , not here now
03:19 PM Shania: also kann ich in der software jeden motor mit welle einstellen? zb. nema 23 3A kugelumlaufspindel oder trapezgewinde mit egal welcher steigung?
03:20 PM Shania: wo kann ich ausser Amazon, was bestellen?
03:21 PM gloops: ebay
03:21 PM fragalot: Shania: ebay or search on google for what you need
03:22 PM Shania: lieber wär mir nicht ebay, besser guten shop!
03:22 PM fragalot: Shania: and yes, linuxcnc can work with whatever mechanical setup you have, all it needs to know is how many pulses to send to make it move 1mm
03:22 PM fragalot: Shania: damencnc.com
03:23 PM fragalot: Shania: http://dold-mechatronik.de/
03:23 PM gloops: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EU-UK-3pcs-CNC-Nema23-Stepper-Motor-3A4-8V-3Nm-425ozin-57BYGH15-003-SINGLE-SHAFT/282283883330?
03:24 PM gloops: these pushed my old gantry at 20m/min
03:25 PM fragalot: I'm really excited to find out what my machine will be able to do
03:25 PM gloops: what pitch screws fragalot?
03:25 PM fragalot: 20x05, 8Nm closed loop steppers running on 60V
03:26 PM gloops: 5mm, those motors are capable of 3000 rpm, theoretical 15000mm/min jogging
03:27 PM fragalot: well my current machine just about manages 600. lol
03:27 PM Loetmichel: gloops: what?
03:28 PM gloops: say half that for cutting alu, maybe 300 inch per minute cutting
03:28 PM Loetmichel: Shania: wo klemmts?
03:28 PM gloops: Loet someone German dont know what hes asking
03:28 PM Loetmichel: read it
03:30 PM Shania: weiß nicht so recht wie dick ich die wellen machen soll 12 oder 16mm oder dicker?
03:31 PM Shania: sorry my english is too bad
03:31 PM Loetmichel: Shania: kommt drauf an wie lang sie sind
03:32 PM Loetmichel: und welche kräfte sie vertragen müssen
03:32 PM Loetmichel: was willste denn bauen`
03:32 PM Loetmichel: ?
03:32 PM Shania: nicht über 500mm und maximal alu fräsen
03:32 PM Nick-Shop_ is now known as Nick-Shop
03:32 PM Loetmichel: klassische Portalfräse?
03:32 PM Shania: ja
03:33 PM Loetmichel: so wie die chinadinger (6040 und co?)
03:33 PM Shania: ne schon besser
03:33 PM Loetmichel: dann sollten 16*5 oder 16*10 dicke langen
03:33 PM Shania: hab einige videos gesehen von magic cnc
03:34 PM Loetmichel: 12er würde ich ausser für Z nicht nehmen, und für Z auch nut wenns eine sehr leichte spindel hat
03:34 PM Loetmichel: s/nut/nur
03:34 PM Loetmichel: oder meintest du die führungen?`
03:34 PM Loetmichel: da lieber gar keine frei hängenden wellen
03:35 PM Loetmichel: sondern THK führungen oder vergleichbar, oder wenigstens unterstützte (china) SBR schienen in 16 oder 20
03:35 PM Shania: meinste für x und y wäre kugelumlauf und für z 12mm trapez ?
03:36 PM Shania: gut?
03:36 PM Loetmichel: nope, trapez würde ich lassen
03:36 PM Loetmichel: ist hetzt nicht die mörder investition heutzutage chinesiche KU-spindeln zu kaufen
03:36 PM Loetmichel: aber spielfrei auf Z is schon wichtig
03:36 PM Loetmichel: sonst düchts dir evtl bei harten materialien Z hoch beim fräsen
03:36 PM Loetmichel: das wird scheisse
03:37 PM Loetmichel: s/hetzt/jetzt
03:37 PM Loetmichel: s/düchts/drückts
03:37 PM Loetmichel: <- heute mal wieder wurstfinger beim tippen :-)
03:38 PM Shania: also z Trapez? hab gesehen das umlaufspindeln abfallen wenn strom weg
03:38 PM Nick-Shop__ is now known as Nick-Shop
03:39 PM fragalot: Shania: add a counterweight or pneumatic cylinder to make the Z weight neutral
03:39 PM fragalot: (at least, that's my plan)
03:40 PM Shania: fragalot, die idee ist nicht schlecht
03:41 PM roycroft: does fusion 360 require a full-time internet connection?
03:41 PM roycroft: i.e. does it call home constantly?
03:41 PM Shania: ok danke für eure antworten
03:41 PM fragalot: roycroft: it does have an "offline" button that seems to allow it to continue running offline
03:41 PM fragalot: I've only tried for a fairly short period though
03:41 PM roycroft: great
03:41 PM roycroft: is there a time limit to that?
03:41 PM fragalot: No idea.
03:41 PM * roycroft is frequently untethered (and happily so)
03:42 PM roycroft: i suppose i can install the trial version and give it a go
03:42 PM roycroft: put it on a machine that i can disconnect from the internet for a week
03:43 PM fragalot: i'm off, bye guys
03:43 PM gloops: goodnight
03:43 PM roycroft: hmm
03:45 PM roycroft: i just did that
03:45 PM roycroft: and it auto-launched, and killed spaces and the docker
03:45 PM roycroft: which makes it impossible to use my computer
03:46 PM roycroft: yeah, i'm going to have to reboot and hope for the best
03:46 PM roycroft: thanks, autodesk!
03:46 PM Loetmichel: and gone he is... not even time for me to take a smoke... maaan the youth today has quite the short attention span.
03:56 PM Deejay: gn8
04:06 PM Connor: OMFG.. Adding a freaking magnet to the spindle pulley for RPM is worse than I thought. I though I could add a 1/2" or so magnet to the top of the pulley, so that when it's put into back-gear, the sensor will still pick up the magnet.. not enough clearance between the housing and the pulley.
04:07 PM Connor: if I embed the magnet in the top of the pulley... I'm not sure it'll pick up when in high gear because the pulley is further away..
04:07 PM Connor: It's good for like 5mm. I need a sensor that's probably good up to 1cm.
04:26 PM roycroft: oh, i can't save files locally
04:26 PM roycroft: so much for fusion 360
04:26 PM * roycroft is cloud-averse
04:29 PM JT-Shop: you can work off line
04:29 PM gloops: i think anything you create is the property of F360 too
04:29 PM gloops: so in theory if you design a perpetual motion machine in F360, they own the design
04:30 PM gloops: which is a worry for me
04:30 PM roycroft: i tried saving a file and it would not let me without a network connection
04:30 PM roycroft: i just wanted to try it out to see if it's easier to design with it
04:30 PM gloops: roy can you export it?
04:31 PM roycroft: i do a lot of preliminary stuff in autocad and then import the cad files into solidworks, and that doesn't always work well
04:31 PM roycroft: i figured that with an autodesk product i might have better luck
04:31 PM gregcnc_: if you have sw why bother?
04:31 PM roycroft: although past experience tells me otherwise
04:31 PM roycroft: see above
04:31 PM JT-Shop: yea why bother with acad when you use sw?
04:32 PM roycroft: of all the moronic things that microsoft have done over the years, perhaps the worst was not allowing word to import works documents
04:32 PM roycroft: that drove so many people to wordperfect
04:32 PM roycroft: which imported microsoft works files just fine
04:32 PM roycroft: jt-shop: years and years of autocad experience
04:33 PM roycroft: i still find it easier to do preliminary sketches in autocad
04:33 PM roycroft: but i never learned autocad 3d
04:33 PM roycroft: and when we bought solidworks, autocad 3d was pretty rough
04:34 PM roycroft: if i bought a new autocad license i could probably do the 3d stuff right in autocad
04:34 PM gloops: what type of stuff you designing roy - wood?
04:34 PM gregcnc_: you sketch in actual 2D?
04:34 PM JT-Shop: the day I got sw I stopped using acad except for flat drawings or electric schematics but can't run acad any more the copy I have is 32 bit
04:34 PM roycroft: but i'm not on support, and my license is for autocad 2008, which is not upgradable
04:34 PM roycroft: furniture design/machine design/simple schematics, for the most part
04:35 PM JT-Shop: I think mine is 2000
04:35 PM roycroft: i do a little civil stuff, but not as much as i used to
04:35 PM roycroft: solidworks has always been difficult for me to use
04:35 PM roycroft: parts are fine
04:35 PM roycroft: no problem at all
04:35 PM roycroft: assemblies start getting challenging
04:36 PM gloops: probably beyond freecad then, well id dont know, not beyond it, but not its forte
04:36 PM roycroft: i have a hard time lining things up so that they'll mate ok
04:36 PM roycroft: but i only took one solidworks class, and we started doing assemblies at the very end of the course
04:36 PM roycroft: so probably with a bit more training i'd be quite a bit more adept at it
04:37 PM gregcnc_: what causes the actual problem with assembly?
04:37 PM roycroft: exactly what i said
04:37 PM roycroft: getting the parts lined up so that they mate properly
04:37 PM gregcnc_: SW aligns for you
04:37 PM roycroft: rotating and moving them into rough position
04:37 PM roycroft: i always end up with mates that are upside down or backwards
04:37 PM gregcnc_: I never bother
04:38 PM roycroft: it's not a shortcoming of the software
04:38 PM roycroft: it's a shortcoming of the user
04:38 PM MrHindsight: I resemble that remark
04:38 PM roycroft: the thing to do is take more solidworks training
04:38 PM roycroft: and maybe see if we can upgrade
04:38 PM gregcnc_: it's been a while since I used 2008, I can't remember if it's as easy to reverse mates as 2013 I run
04:38 PM roycroft: doubtful though
04:38 PM Nick-Shop_ is now known as Nick-Shop
04:38 PM roycroft: we're on sw 2012
04:38 PM roycroft: and that's probably not upgradable
04:38 PM roycroft: although i hear rumor that sw has gotten a bit less expensive
04:39 PM roycroft: i have autocad 2008, not sw 2008
04:39 PM roycroft: sw is 2012
04:39 PM roycroft: i also know nothing about sw regarding sheet sets
04:39 PM roycroft: whether it has any equivalent to autocad sheet sets
04:40 PM roycroft: but on a complex assembly, with a bunch of parts files, elevations, and cut sheets, managing all the files gets unwieldy
04:40 PM roycroft: again, likely a user problem, not a software problem
04:40 PM gregcnc_: I guess using SW since 1998 I'm in a different position
04:40 PM roycroft: probably the best thing for me would be to learn soldworks better and continue using it
04:41 PM roycroft: but i thought i'd give fusion 360 a go, as it's supposed to be decent
04:41 PM roycroft: and i'd be working with an up-to-date product
04:41 PM roycroft: although folks say that things like hole and fastener wizards are all but non-existent with fusion 360
04:41 PM gloops: they all use it on the wood forums, the ones who dont use aspire
04:41 PM roycroft: which would slow things down a lot
04:41 PM roycroft: yeah, but the wood folks use sketchup a lot too
04:42 PM roycroft: and sketchup is shite
04:42 PM gloops: they do actually yeah
04:42 PM gloops: ichs also posted one last night id not seen, cant remember its name
04:42 PM gregcnc_: seems like the updates can break things. Some guys have almost had big crashes because they trusted updated gcode too much
04:42 PM roycroft: so i don't go by what the wood people use :)
04:42 PM gloops: similar thing to f360
04:42 PM roycroft: yeah
04:42 PM roycroft: a big problem with sw, though, is that it likes to update the file format every year
04:43 PM roycroft: so if you have sw 2017 and the guy down the block gets sw 2018 and sends you a file, you can't read it
04:43 PM roycroft: autocad can be like that, but it only does incompatible file format changes every 4 or 5 releases
04:43 PM roycroft: i'm not sure if sw can save in older formats
04:43 PM gregcnc_: no
04:44 PM roycroft: but i can tell you from experience that asking an autocad user to save a file in an older format before sending it to you is like pulling their fingernails off from the up-to-ate user's perspetive
04:44 PM roycroft: it's the most painful and distasteful thing they can imagine doing
04:44 PM roycroft: even though it only takes 2 seconds
04:44 PM gregcnc_: nah, it's just hard to remember
04:45 PM MrHindsight: it's similar with MS Office docs, getting people to send you an earlier version doc
04:45 PM gregcnc_: docx
04:45 PM roycroft: seriously, i've stood in front of people's workstations, handed them a thumb drive, and said "remember to save in 2008 format" and they cringe and figit and get upset
04:45 PM gregcnc_: i hate that crap too
04:46 PM MrHindsight: I'm sorry that you used MS Office version 2025 alpha
04:46 PM MrHindsight: can you just send it in 95 format
04:46 PM roycroft: note that i haven't had a need to exchange autocad files like that in several years
04:46 PM roycroft: 2008 wasn't that old at the time
04:47 PM roycroft: the real problem, though, is not the autocad version per se
04:47 PM roycroft: i was doing civil work at the time
04:47 PM roycroft: and there are all sorts of fancy third party civil add-ons that people get
04:47 PM roycroft: it's hard to work with their files unless you have the same add-ons
04:48 PM gloops: "An undergraduate computer science student has created a "quantum chess" game that stumps computers' ability to search all possible outcomes of possible moves by having chess pieces mimic particles that are subject to quantum mechanics." https://goo.gl/CMuyNy
05:38 PM MrHindsight: How much does a toolmaker make a year? "expect to earn an average total compensation of $51,000 based on 63 salaries."
05:38 PM MrHindsight: https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Toolmaker/Hourly_Rate
05:40 PM skunkworks_: scary
05:48 PM gloops: thats about £40000
05:49 PM gloops: £20 an hour youll be lucky to get that here
05:51 PM gloops: in India £20/month
05:51 PM MrHindsight: but the weather is nicer
05:52 PM gloops: true but theres no health service or police
05:53 PM BeachBumPete: what a bunch of bullshit that is. years of training and experience precision machining and for what...
05:54 PM gloops: someone was telling me he was on more in 1980
05:55 PM MrHindsight: the eyes of management can't see the difference between a hack and quality
05:55 PM Tom_L: quality has gone down the toilet
05:55 PM gloops: Job description
05:55 PM gloops: Gi Group Doncaster are currently looking for an experienced Toolmaker to cover a temporary contract starting in January. The role is initially a temporary role but there is the possibility of a permanent contract.
05:55 PM MrHindsight: just get anyone with that label for a jog we don't understand, they are all the same
05:56 PM gloops: Salary
05:56 PM gloops: 13.00 - 14.00 per year
05:56 PM gloops: GBP13 - GBP14 per annum
05:56 PM MrHindsight: jog/job
05:56 PM gloops: i suspect that is 13-14 per hour
05:57 PM gloops: temporary - no rights, no employment rights here until youve worked in a job for 2 years
05:58 PM MrHindsight: what I commonly see from their perspective is an engineer is an engineer, a machinist a machinist
05:59 PM MrHindsight: no real difference
05:59 PM gloops: Job description
05:59 PM gloops: Title: CNC Lathe Setter Operator x2
05:59 PM gloops: Salary: Circa £21,000 depending upon experience + overtime
05:59 PM gloops: Location: Sheffield
05:59 PM gloops: Duration: Permanent contract
05:59 PM MrHindsight: unless it comes to management
06:00 PM gloops: less valued than a truck driver, and a fork truck driver
06:00 PM MrHindsight: https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/trd/d/cnc-machinist-1st-and-2nd/6440471346.html
06:00 PM Tom_L: gloops at least the forklift driver can unload the cargo from china
06:00 PM MrHindsight: https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/mnu/d/cnc-milling-setup-and/6440818681.html $25/hr min.
06:01 PM gloops: thats where all the work is Tom_L
06:01 PM Tom_L: our state has been pushing to increase the skilled labor force here
06:01 PM Tom_L: where's the incentive?
06:02 PM gloops: no point unless trade tariffs go on
06:02 PM MrHindsight: "While performing this job, you will be required to stand, and reach with hands and arms. "
06:02 PM MrHindsight: tentacles not required
06:02 PM Tom_L: MrHindsight, sounds like a job for a robot
06:02 PM gloops: applicants with a tendency to spend a long time in the toilet need not apply
06:03 PM MrHindsight: toilet breaks are limited to 15 min every 4 hours
06:03 PM gloops: cnc sounds advanced - its basically a machine tender
06:04 PM MarcelineVQ: and a machine troubleshooter, the harder job
06:05 PM gloops: you only need one of those on the floor though Marcel
06:05 PM MrHindsight: https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/trd/d/bathroom-installers-wanted/6446508171.html
06:05 PM MrHindsight: -Our Reputation requires our installers to be clean cut ,dependable ,loyal and able to pass a background check.
06:05 PM MrHindsight: NO TOILET THIEVES!!
06:08 PM MrHindsight: I found a few CNC setup listings for only $11-14/hr
06:09 PM Tom_L: we got beggars on the corner making more than that
06:09 PM MrHindsight: yeah, sounds really low
06:09 PM MrHindsight: maybe with no background check
06:09 PM MrHindsight: <4 felony's OK
06:10 PM gloops: they always seem to run a stupid shift system here as well, kid round the corner does stuff like 3 nights, 3 days, 2 afternoons, 3 days off
06:10 PM gloops: he always looks totally ko'd
06:10 PM MrHindsight: $15 to $35/hr, now how can that be?
06:11 PM MarcelineVQ: for he is the kwisatz haderach?
06:12 PM gloops: the repetition work was piece work before - £ per item or dozen
06:18 PM MrHindsight: gloops: I hear that around here they usually keep the same shifts
06:19 PM MrHindsight: there used to be a traffic jam every morning ~3am near us when the factories would change shifts
06:20 PM gloops: its not so bad if they do that MrHindsight, different shifts suit different people, some love nights
06:21 PM Tom_L: yeah boeing used to be horrible until they started that
06:21 PM MrHindsight: gloops: sure, I'd hate to switch all the time if I had to do it
06:21 PM Tom_L: nowdays the parking lots are about 1/4 full just about any time you go by any of the aircraft plants
06:22 PM MrHindsight: what seems common around here is 7am-3pm-11pm-etc etc
06:25 PM MrHindsight: https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/med/d/toy-programmer-electronics/6424226210.html
06:28 PM MrHindsight: roycroft: is it true that your state just legalized pumping your own gas?
06:28 PM gloops: Mill Operative
06:28 PM gloops: Job description
06:28 PM gloops: Our client in the Congleton area are looking for good reliable people to work in their busy warehouse.
06:28 PM gloops: Working 6am - 4pm/12pm-10.00pm/10.00pm-6.00am Monday to Friday with occasional Saturday mornings. Overtime is available, all breaks are paid and a daily shift allowance.
06:28 PM gloops: this is the only mill operative job for 200 miles..and the wage is a staggering..
06:28 PM gloops: Salary
06:28 PM gloops: 8.00 - 8.00 per hour
06:29 PM MrHindsight: wow
06:29 PM MarcelineVQ: what is a mill operative doing in a warehouse?
06:29 PM gloops: i just read that yeah, something not right there, maybe a warehouse operative
06:30 PM gloops: The successful applicant will be involved in mill control, warehouse work, weighbridge operation, goods in, dispatch, production and driving an FLT (current FLT licence/experience not essential).
06:30 PM gloops: yeah not a metal milling machine i dont think
06:31 PM Connor: Hey guys, so, my VFD.. Says a 1-5K pot for the analog input.. does that mean a Need a 5K pot.. or or anything between 1k to 5k? I mean, all it is is a voltage divider..
06:31 PM MrHindsight: roycroft: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/01/03/oregonians-freaking-out-over-law-requires-some-them-pump-their-own-gas/1000215001/
07:03 PM roycroft: yeah, except nobody is required to pump their own gas
07:04 PM roycroft: the law says that in certain rural areas in eastern oregon, where there is only one filling station in town, and a long distance to get to the next town, it is now legal for customers to self-serve in the evening and on weekends when the filling station is otherwise closed
07:05 PM dioz: don't... you guys have pay at the pump?
07:05 PM roycroft: yes
07:05 PM roycroft: usually
07:05 PM roycroft: i think cash customers can go inside and pay
07:06 PM dioz: who uses cash now days?
07:06 PM roycroft: i always use a credit card (i like my 2-5% rewards), and so always pay at the pump
07:06 PM dioz: when i have cash i always forget to use it
07:06 PM roycroft: drug dealers and poor people
07:06 PM dioz: yah. 2% cash back on gas purchases with the one mastercard
07:06 PM dioz: plus i get a deal on gas for having a costco membership
07:07 PM roycroft: january through march i get 5% on fuel with my discover card
07:07 PM dioz: nice
07:07 PM roycroft: so that's what i'll be using for the next three months
07:07 PM roycroft: april-june it's 5% cash back on groceries
07:07 PM dioz: make sure to pay your balance before the end of the month!
07:07 PM dioz: or whenever your cycle is
07:08 PM roycroft: i do not believe in credit card interest
07:08 PM dioz: same
07:08 PM dioz: i carry a balance every now and again... very rarely
07:08 PM dioz: i don't think i have much credit. i've never been too deep in debt
07:08 PM dioz: only a credit card
07:08 PM dioz: never wracked it up though
07:08 PM roycroft: i have enough credit available on the cards to buy a house
07:09 PM dioz: i have enough in my savings to buy a house
07:09 PM roycroft: which is not a wise way to use credit cards :)
07:12 PM roycroft: at any rate
07:12 PM roycroft: i like sitting in my car while someone else pumps my fuel for me
07:12 PM dioz: what year ford truck should i buy?
07:12 PM dioz: i've been told to avoid the 5.4's
07:12 PM roycroft: a '42, of course
07:12 PM dioz: and either go with a v8 or a 3.5l v6 ecoboost
07:12 PM dioz: i mean a 5.0
07:12 PM roycroft: although i don't think they made any consumer vehicles in 1942
07:12 PM dioz: or a 3.5l ecoboost
07:12 PM roycroft: so you might have to wait 'til 2042 to buy one
07:13 PM roycroft: or buy a military truck from 1942
07:13 PM dioz: hmm
07:33 PM Crom: There were a few 1942 vehicles made. I think they went to war production very early in 1942
07:34 PM dioz: would you rather be cummin or strokin?
07:34 PM dioz: ford or chevy?
07:34 PM dioz: stroker or a cummins?
07:38 PM Crom: Most people forget, the US was only in WWII for 4 years Dec'41 to Sep 45ish, we have been in the war on terror for 20+ years, vietnam for 15 years
07:39 PM roycroft: wwii was also the last war we won
07:39 PM SpeedEvil: Crom: don't forget the war on drugs
07:39 PM roycroft: we've spent our time since then creating quagmires
07:39 PM Loetmichel: hmm.... considering that my 2.5 liters 6cyl diesel in the Opel Omega still is considered a "big engine" in europe...
07:39 PM Crom: s/drugs/minorities/
07:40 PM roycroft: yes
07:40 PM Loetmichel: ... those V6 and V8 are simply a bit "oversized" in europe. no wonder you guys over the pond complain about gas prices...
07:40 PM roycroft: the war on drugs is primarily a voter suppression tactic
07:41 PM roycroft: which, of course, is why jeff sessions wants so badly to rekindle the failed war on drugs
07:42 PM Crom: after a felony drug conviction, they can't vote
07:43 PM roycroft: a birthday party was raided in georgia a couple days ago
07:43 PM roycroft: a small amount (<1oz) of pot was found
07:43 PM roycroft: nobody admitted to being the owner
07:43 PM roycroft: so 63 people were arrested and charged with drug posession
07:44 PM roycroft: the attendees were mostly dark-complexioned
07:44 PM roycroft: and they are all being prosecuted
07:46 PM Crom: ugh, made the mistake of buying some E11 bulbs, when I needed E12's so now waiting on adapters
07:51 PM roycroft: i'm glad my belt grinder project got sidetracked
07:52 PM roycroft: i had a design in mind, and started procuring parts and materials for it
07:52 PM roycroft: but i've been watching the videos about the one that jeremy schmidt built, and i really like his design
07:52 PM roycroft: the main part of his grinder can flip to horizontal, but the table does not flip with the rest of the grinder
07:52 PM MarcelineVQ: I like that it tilt to horitzonal so easily
07:53 PM roycroft: the belt grinder is my next shop project after the router table
07:53 PM dioz: links
07:53 PM roycroft: i have the motor, vfd, and wheels for it
07:54 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_RlL1O-bK4
07:54 PM dioz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_RlL1O-bK4
07:54 PM dioz: thnx
07:54 PM roycroft: it's a 35 minutes video
07:54 PM roycroft: but you can ff a bit to see the whole thing if that's all you want to do
07:54 PM roycroft: he's not the neatest welder in the world
07:54 PM roycroft: but his welds look strong
07:55 PM roycroft: and he's a better welder than i am :)
07:56 PM roycroft: i have a belden 1x48 belt grinder, but it's fairly wimpy
07:56 PM roycroft: i've been wanting to replace it for years
07:58 PM roycroft: to save me a bunch of time, i'm almost inclined to send him $20 for a set of plans for the thing
07:58 PM MarcelineVQ: see his table build for it? it's snazzy
07:58 PM roycroft: yeah
07:59 PM MarcelineVQ: never thought of doing drawers like that
07:59 PM roycroft: i don't like the way he makes drawers
07:59 PM roycroft: but the frame is nice
07:59 PM roycroft: the belt grinder will live in my welding shop, which is normally unheated
07:59 PM roycroft: his drawers would not work well there
07:59 PM MarcelineVQ: would the wax bind cold?
07:59 PM roycroft: they would either be way too loose in the summer or seize up in the winter
08:00 PM roycroft: keeping in mind that winter is the humid season here
08:01 PM roycroft: so i'll probably use standard full extension side mount drawer guides
08:02 PM roycroft: i think the motor on my current grinder is 1/3hp
08:02 PM roycroft: it might even be 1/4hp
08:02 PM roycroft: the motor i bought for the new one is 2hp
08:03 PM roycroft: a definite, and much needed upgrade
08:03 PM MarcelineVQ: that'll take off some cruft
08:03 PM roycroft: when it's grinding time i don't like to dilly dally
08:27 PM Crom: I have an extra 1HP table saw motor, I'm thinking of using for a belt grinder
08:36 PM roycroft: good use of the motor
08:36 PM roycroft: what do you think of that design?
09:17 PM Contract_Pilot: Kids SSD http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/20180102_113049-1024x576.jpg man that thing is fast..
09:18 PM Contract_Pilot: http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/D289A41C-A345-47BC-87ED-822FA523380C-1024x768.jpeg
09:35 PM Crom: Love the design!
09:43 PM Crom: roycroft: I totally love that design! now I want to build one like that
09:45 PM Crom: My brother just scored a factory mini minor pickup
09:48 PM roycroft: yeah, it's a big improvement on the other 2x72 designs i've seen
09:48 PM roycroft: the ability to tilt the belt without tilting the table is absolutely brilliant
09:49 PM dioz: i just watched a bunch of his vids
09:49 PM dioz: hah
09:49 PM dioz: yah he's good
09:49 PM dioz: thnx for the name roycroft
09:49 PM roycroft: i think i'm going to buy his plans, although i won't build exactly like that
09:49 PM dioz: any other good youtube peoples you know?
09:49 PM Crom: Love that building he's in
09:49 PM roycroft: his plans will be a good start
09:49 PM dioz: roycroft: do you buy plans often?
09:49 PM roycroft: no, hardly ever
09:49 PM dioz: do y ou fusion 360 at all?
09:49 PM roycroft: but it's $20 for his
09:50 PM roycroft: and i think it's worth it - it will save me hours
09:50 PM roycroft: i just installed fusion 360 today
09:50 PM roycroft: and found out immediately that it won't work for me
09:50 PM roycroft: so i need to uninstall it now
09:50 PM dioz: why?
09:50 PM roycroft: it saves everything to the cloud
09:50 PM roycroft: that's unacceptable
09:50 PM roycroft: i need local storage of my files
09:51 PM dioz: ah
09:51 PM roycroft: especially since i'm disconnected from the internet for long periods of time occasionally
09:51 PM dioz: i'm glad it's not a tinfoil hat reason
09:51 PM dioz: =p
09:51 PM roycroft: what i really should do is spend more time learning solidworks
09:52 PM roycroft: we bought it a few years ago for a job, and definintely got our money back out of it
09:52 PM roycroft: but i was designing some fairly simple parts with it
09:52 PM roycroft: now i need to do complex assemblies
09:52 PM roycroft: and it's kicking my butt
09:53 PM dioz: is there a trail?
09:53 PM dioz: or an education?
09:53 PM roycroft: that's the thing
09:53 PM roycroft: i only took one solidworks class
09:53 PM roycroft: i could go back and take more
09:53 PM dioz: trial i meant
09:53 PM dioz: education pricing
09:53 PM roycroft: oh, we have a license
09:53 PM roycroft: yes, there is educational pricing
09:53 PM roycroft: i don't know what it is
09:54 PM roycroft: iirc we paid $4500 for it
09:54 PM dioz: yah...
09:54 PM roycroft: that was about 7 years ago
09:54 PM dioz: little rich for my blood
09:54 PM roycroft: and we did not buy support
09:54 PM roycroft: so to upgrade to the current version i'd have to invest the money
09:54 PM roycroft: and the last time i got it from work
09:54 PM roycroft: my boss paid for it
09:54 PM roycroft: this time i would have to pay for it
09:55 PM roycroft: i can't justify that expense right now
09:55 PM roycroft: but solidworks 2012 should work fine for what i need to do
09:55 PM roycroft: so i could live without upgrading, for a while at least
09:56 PM roycroft: i'm building a router table right now, and i have about 30 2d drawings for it so far
09:56 PM roycroft: every time i change one i have to change a bunch of others
09:56 PM roycroft: even with xrefs it's a pain in the butt
09:56 PM roycroft: i really should use a parametric 3d design tool for this
09:56 PM Wolf__: I think you can make fusion360 run off line
09:57 PM roycroft: one reason i wanted to give fusion 360 a go is that i figured it would read my .dwg files better than solidworks
09:58 PM roycroft: there is an offline mode, but it really really really wants to call home and store stuff in the cloud
09:59 PM Wolf__: yeah, its annoying but for the price can’t complain
09:59 PM roycroft: i really like solidworks
09:59 PM roycroft: i just have trouble with it
09:59 PM roycroft: and that's lack of experience/knowledge on my part
10:00 PM Wolf__: i can’t say much, I can’t even make a box in fusion but I can model stuff in my sleep on solidworks
10:00 PM roycroft: i got this fancy "cad mouse" that does zooms/pans/rotations
10:00 PM roycroft: my problem is when i try to make assemblies
10:00 PM Wolf__: I have space mouse, love it
10:00 PM roycroft: i have a hard time lining stuff up so that i can mate things decently
10:01 PM roycroft: i'm always mating upside down/backwards
10:01 PM Wolf__: damn thats a over built belt sander
10:01 PM roycroft: my class was mostly parts, and just started on assemblies at the end of the term
10:01 PM roycroft: i should have taken the next class :)
10:02 PM roycroft: if you're talking about that one i linked to, i don't think it's overbuilt
10:02 PM MarcelineVQ: it's pretty overbuilt hehe
10:02 PM roycroft: i think it's nice and solid :P
10:02 PM skullworks: I had SW2006
10:02 PM roycroft: actually, one part is overbuilt
10:02 PM Wolf__: he needs to learn what DOM square tube is lol
10:03 PM Wolf__: instead of 1/2” plate and soda cans
10:03 PM skullworks: Now I have the newly re-born Alibre Design Expert.
10:03 PM roycroft: i don't think the table supports need to be built out of solid square rod
10:03 PM roycroft: square tubing would be fine for that
10:03 PM roycroft: 10' of 1-1/2" cold roll square rod is like $250
10:03 PM roycroft: 10' of 1-1/2"x0.25" square tubing is about half that
10:04 PM Tom_L: roycroft what was the class in?
10:04 PM roycroft: intro to solidworks
10:04 PM Tom_L: k
10:04 PM roycroft: i have solidworks 2012
10:04 PM Tom_L: i took a few in catia, it's quite similar
10:04 PM roycroft: and we bought it in late 2011
10:04 PM Tom_L: i have both and acad
10:04 PM roycroft: iirc it was spring of 2012 when i took the class
10:04 PM roycroft: i have autocad 2008
10:04 PM roycroft: and i took autocad classes in 2008
10:05 PM roycroft: i actually started learning autocad in the late '80s
10:05 PM Tom_L: i still don't like acad
10:05 PM roycroft: but never did much with it until we bought 2008
10:05 PM roycroft: i like it fine for 2d drawings
10:05 PM roycroft: but i need to do 3d stuff now
10:05 PM roycroft: and 2008 is not so good for that
10:05 PM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/Tme8BYH.jpg solid works ftw https://i.imgur.com/Q1gnbtV.png?1
10:06 PM Tom_L: i did my class in both catia and sw
10:06 PM Tom_L: for the heck of it
10:06 PM Wolf__: I learned sw by reading a how to book and youtube
10:07 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Column_Mill_VMC.jpg
10:07 PM Tom_L: that was catia
10:08 PM roycroft: there also doesn't seem to be as many sw resources as acad resources
10:08 PM roycroft: something i'm not at all clear on is drawing management with sw
10:08 PM Tom_L: like what?
10:08 PM roycroft: which is a current concern of mine
10:09 PM MarcelineVQ: I believe sw can do belts which fusion can't currently, if that matters
10:09 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/practice_drawings/
10:09 PM Tom_L: there's a mix of the parts we did in class
10:09 PM roycroft: when i design something that has 20-30 drawings autocad has the sheet set manager that makes it really easy to keep things organized
10:09 PM Tom_L: some are sw some catia
10:10 PM roycroft: autocad has a big market in architecture and civil engineering
10:10 PM Tom_L: right
10:10 PM roycroft: and those folks often need to keep track of thousands or tens of thousands of drawings
10:10 PM Contract_Pilot: Wolf...
10:10 PM roycroft: so over the decades autocad has built a lot of nice tools for that
10:10 PM Tom_L: they use catia mostly in this town
10:10 PM Contract_Pilot: Seen your photo...
10:10 PM roycroft: solidworks is more mechanically oriented
10:11 PM Wolf__: Contract_Pilot: cool
10:11 PM roycroft: and while mechanical engineers certainly design complex things, they don't seem to generally need to manage the sheer numbers of drawings that the architectural and civil folks do
10:11 PM Contract_Pilot: so it gonna work out good for ya
10:11 PM roycroft: but those tools may be there and i just don't know about them
10:12 PM Wolf__: yup, lead screw is installed and working, just need to make a thread dial
10:12 PM Tom_L: Wolf__, you can get alot of those parts off grabcad
10:12 PM roycroft: after the fusion 360 fiasco today, and some discussion here, i'm really rethinking things
10:12 PM roycroft: and thinking i should just bite the bullet and get better at solidworks
10:12 PM Wolf__: Tom_L: yup, I use grabcad and mcmaster
10:12 PM roycroft: there is another concern with my solidworks license
10:12 PM Tom_L: sw is good
10:12 PM roycroft: not current, but it will be an issue in the future
10:12 PM roycroft: i'll need cam software
10:12 PM Tom_L: i don't care for their mouse arrangement
10:13 PM Tom_L: i have cam software but it's old
10:13 PM Tom_L: but it still works
10:13 PM roycroft: and the stuff that is free for sw - the stuff from acad - i can't get
10:13 PM roycroft: i checked, and apparently my license is too old to qualify for the free cam software
10:13 PM roycroft: that's another reason i looked at fusion 360
10:13 PM Tom_L: yeah
10:13 PM roycroft: but that's down the road a bit still
10:14 PM Tom_L: i would too if i were in that situation
10:14 PM Tom_L: it's lacking in some features still though
10:14 PM roycroft: when the time comes, i might bite the bullet and buy a current copy of sw
10:14 PM Contract_Pilot: Cool wolf glad Ihelped you out.
10:14 PM roycroft: yes, and what jumps out immediately is the lack of hole and thread wizards
10:15 PM roycroft: it's so fricking nice in sw to just say "hole, hole hole hole", and select the hole parameters, and it's all done
10:15 PM roycroft: with countersinks, threads, whatever you need
10:15 PM roycroft: the parts libraries are incredible
10:15 PM Tom_L: right, catia is similar that way
10:15 PM Tom_L: i like the sw libs
10:16 PM MarcelineVQ: I miss inventor's parts libs, it's really confusing to me that fusion seems to lack them given that fusion seems in every way like the exact same product
10:16 PM roycroft: i should grab the fancy 3d connexion mouse and have a go at making some assemblies
10:17 PM Tom_L: beachbumpete was trying to do something in f360 the other day that it won't do but i forget what it was
10:17 PM roycroft: i would be willing to bet that the price of fusion is going to go up quite a bit when they add that stuff
10:17 PM Tom_L: something about 3d snapshot and dimensioning
10:17 PM roycroft: but still
10:17 PM roycroft: if it goes up to $1k/year that's cheaper than sw or acad maintenance
10:17 PM MarcelineVQ: you can't drive dimensions from driven dimensions, which sucks a lot
10:17 PM MarcelineVQ: because if you could you could enfornce things like permiter size
10:18 PM Tom_L: you can't do formulas in f360?
10:18 PM MarcelineVQ: well you can but it requires a lot of intervention on your part
10:18 PM MarcelineVQ: you can but you can't use driven dimensions as parameters
10:18 PM Tom_L: mmm
10:19 PM MarcelineVQ: sec, lemme make sure I'm using the right words
10:19 PM Tom_L: i did a table driven one in catia for the heck of it in one of the classes
10:19 PM Tom_L: take a hydraulic cylinder and make a whole series of them from a table
10:19 PM MarcelineVQ: yeah driven dimension can't be used as parameters
10:24 PM roycroft: http://www.roycroft.us/TopAssembly.jpeg
10:24 PM roycroft: that's a fairly simple assembly
10:24 PM roycroft: with ~10 parts
10:24 PM roycroft: it took me hours to get everything mated up
10:24 PM roycroft: it should have taken 10 minutes
10:24 PM MarcelineVQ: it should be called a derived dimension though for the thing I'm talking about, not a driven one, driven has more meanings :( Say you have 3 horizontal line segments connected at their points, A, B, C. You've enforced that A is 2" and that C is 2" and that the maximum length of the whole thing is 7". You can't use the driven dimension B has of 3" in forumlas. But you can specify totalLength - A - B, so it can be used but it
10:24 PM MarcelineVQ: requires your attention. Which ends up being a hassle for thing slike permieter due to angles and such
10:40 PM roycroft: grr
10:41 PM roycroft: the 3d mouse isn't working right
10:41 PM roycroft: windows doesn't see it as a 3d mouse
10:41 PM roycroft: and it's working kind of like a standard mouse, but not quite
10:41 PM roycroft: it's been a while since i've used it but i don't recall any issues in the past with the driver not loading properly
10:48 PM roycroft: aah, i got it - mac os was intercepting it
11:04 PM codepython777: I have a petg part that is holding a carbon fiber rod - it seems with too much cold weather the pets part cracks - any suggestions on how to handle this?
11:09 PM MrHindsight: reinforced petg
11:09 PM MrHindsight: how is it cracking?
11:09 PM MrHindsight: PETG or PET-G (Polyethylene terephthalate glycol-modified?
11:11 PM codepython777: MrHindsight: I have a structure that holds a cf rod - the structure is a cylindrical structure that holds the rod vertically on a flat surface
11:12 PM skullworks: ribs?
11:12 PM codepython777: MrHindsight: http://draw.to/D2JO6QT
11:14 PM MrHindsight: what can you modify? shape? change material?
11:15 PM MrHindsight: is it breaking due to flex at low temps?
11:17 PM MrHindsight: are you printing with PETG filament?
11:17 PM * skullworks is off the clock. time to get some ZZZ's
11:18 PM MrHindsight: http://www.midlandplastics.com/pdfs/petg.pdf
11:21 PM codepython777: I am printing the petg filamen
11:24 PM Contract_Pilot: Sup...
11:25 PM Contract_Pilot: Feels werid not had a iney bellybutton in years
11:31 PM MrHindsight: codepython777: have a pic of where it cracks?
11:32 PM MrHindsight: codepython777: can you print it with Nylon 6/6?
11:35 PM MrHindsight: https://shop3duniverse.com/collections/nylon-filament?tdu_s=atx
11:40 PM codepython777: MrHindsight: I don't have a picture of where it cracks. But I can try to get it - or at least create those temperatures
11:43 PM codepython777: how bad is it to print nylon 6/6?
11:43 PM codepython777: I have an ultimaker 2
11:44 PM codepython777: MrHindsight: https://shop3duniverse.com/collections/nylon-filament/products/3d-universe-nylon-filament-2-85mm-600g?tdu_s=atx - something like this?
11:59 PM MrHindsight: codepython777: they don't show specs but nylon will have greater flex mod and strength
11:59 PM MrHindsight: nylon 6,6 will have even higher