#linuxcnc Logs

Dec 25 2017

01:19 AM Contract_Pilot-A: Merry Christmas
01:25 AM gloops: suppose an armistice will have to be called for machine work today
01:25 AM archivist: nooo
01:26 AM gloops: could do a bit of drilling
01:26 AM archivist: I may well fit another window today, warm enough outside
01:27 AM Wolf__: lazy way ftw? https://i.imgur.com/bE58m95.jpg
01:28 AM archivist: but probably costs more than a stock gear
01:28 AM Wolf__: couldn’t find it in stock
01:28 AM gloops: ive never known a window be fitted on xmas day lol
01:29 AM Wolf__: 1.25 mod 40 tooth, 10mm face, 10mm hub (20mm oal) 18mm bore 5mm key...
01:30 AM gloops: whats that for Wolf?
01:31 AM Wolf__: lathe change gear
01:31 AM gloops: thought so yeah, can probably find one on ebay, or are you going into making them?
01:32 AM Wolf__: ebay sucks for them
01:32 AM Wolf__: no one lists them by pitch/tooth
01:33 AM gloops: that is the usual case yes
01:33 AM gloops: i lost some on the car boot like that, found half a dozen in a box, couldnt decide whether they were right for my lathe, but the bloke was there every week
01:34 AM enleth: I'm finally getting around to order parts for the new spindle transmission on my bridgeport and I started wondering whether I should try a T-Link belt instead of a classic V-belt or a multigroove
01:34 AM gloops: so ill bring one of mone next week and compare - gone of course
01:34 AM enleth: I remember someone here using a T-Link on a lathe
01:34 AM gloops: nutlink belt?
01:35 AM enleth: yes
01:35 AM gloops: works ok on my myford wood lathe
01:36 AM Crom: I received 2 Amazon shipments today
01:37 AM gloops: i reckon a wood lathe belt could be taking more stress than a metal lathe
01:37 AM gloops: a lot of the time anyway, direct to the spindle, no other gearing
01:37 AM Crom: 3 dial indicator holders, going to use them for LocLine cooling holders, and a SNES/NES game system
01:38 AM gloops: delivery on xmas day?
01:44 AM enleth: eh, if I understand correctly, nutlink is strictly directional
01:44 AM enleth: not sure whether the powertwist belts are
01:45 AM gloops: yes, dont reverse the motor on a wood lathe, on the ml8 the belt has to pass through the headstock - cant use an endless belt
01:48 AM enleth: shite, powertwists are unidirectional too
01:48 AM enleth: back to multigroove belts, then
01:48 AM gloops: any reason you dont want a normal belt?
01:49 AM enleth: not really, except that a known good local supplier has cheap multigroove taperlock pulleys
01:52 AM gloops: getting the zise right is always a bit of guesswork
01:52 AM gloops: size
01:52 AM enleth: and that's exactly why the link belt looked promising
01:53 AM enleth: but I need a bidirectional belt on that mill
01:53 AM gloops: its useful stuff in that way
01:59 AM gloops: well i reckon another week and ill be asking liniuxcnc questions again, has this 2 motor gantry set up been resolved in 2,8 then? homing and so on
02:17 AM Deejay: moin
04:38 AM jthornton: morning
04:51 AM Deejay: merry xmas
05:10 AM jym: Merry Christmas!!!
05:37 AM jym: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqk7YKh3aQg
06:04 AM miss0r: I'm in the process of installing a DRo on my old lathe here. Looking in the rearview mirror, I should've gotten a slim version of some sorts. This is hard to fit here :D
06:48 AM miss0r: DRo for the lathe, $200. Finding the perfect location for the Y axis to be mounted, 3 hours. Breaking a M4 tap in the cast iron, priceless
06:50 AM gloops: what will you do smash the tap up?
06:52 AM miss0r: luckily for me it broke so far off the cast, I could grap it with some pliers, and turn it back out
06:52 AM miss0r: Otherwise I would have EDM'ed it out
06:57 AM archivist: there is a local machine shop with edm for getting you out the sh*t in an emergency :)
06:58 AM miss0r: Yeah. I've build my own edm a while back
07:13 AM archivist: a bit expensive https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Portable-EDM-Plunge-Sink-Spark-Eroding-Machine-Broken-Tap-Drill-Bolt-Removal/322389168134
07:18 AM miss0r: That is basically what I've build
07:19 AM miss0r: nothing fancy. But I also found the unit you just posted to be a bit expensive.
07:19 AM miss0r: I've made an upgrade for mine, that spins the electrode
07:42 AM nallar is now known as Ross
08:18 AM DurvalHenke: hello could someone help me to setup manual tool change with remap
08:22 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
08:22 AM Tom_L: it's all right there
08:23 AM JT-Shop: Tom_L: you get any snow?
08:23 AM Tom_L: no
08:23 AM pfred1: I got wind
08:24 AM JT-Shop: me too very windy yesterday afternoon
08:24 AM pfred1: I could spray paint the leaves here and it'd look like snow
08:25 AM pfred1: when you have an over 330 foot long driveway snow is no fun
08:25 AM Tom_L: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SpindleOrient
08:25 AM Tom_L: DurvalHenke, that wiki page will explain it too along with the example code that comes with lcnc
08:25 AM JT-Shop: '56 Ferguson F40 and grader blade makes short work of the driveway
08:25 AM pfred1: I have a stone driveway
08:25 AM Tom_L: the exact sample doesn't come to mind right now...
08:26 AM JT-Shop: if it ice I run the crawler over it
08:26 AM pfred1: nope I shovel it by hand
08:26 AM JT-Shop: stone as in stone pavers?
08:26 AM Tom_L: it'll melt by summertime
08:26 AM Tom_L: :)
08:26 AM DurvalHenke: Ok thank you ..
08:26 AM pfred1: nah just 3/4 screen blue stone
08:26 AM Tom_L: i'll see if i can find it..
08:27 AM pfred1: http://i.imgur.com/OCMYP86.jpg
08:29 AM Tom_L: last couple years we haven't had alot of snow
08:29 AM pfred1: that was Snowpocalypse
08:29 AM pfred1: we got like 3 feet of snow in 2 storms
08:32 AM Tom_L: DurvalHenke, why do you need remap for manualtoolchange?
08:33 AM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/remap/remap.html
08:33 AM Tom_L: should also be included in the reading material
08:35 AM Tom_L: 26�F
08:35 AM DurvalHenke: i'm trying for a week to put to work the manual tool change and remap, because i have in same job 3 tools..
08:36 AM Tom_L: just making sure you need remap just for manual toolchange macro
08:37 AM DurvalHenke: If not i will have to break this job in 3 jobs .. for each job use his tool .. for that will be a lot of selecting file with his tool etc..
08:39 AM DurvalHenke: Sorry .. it was a long time since I have used IRC.. ( only in the beginning of internet here in Brazil ) I not remember all commands
08:39 AM DurvalHenke: I do not remember.
08:39 AM DurvalHenke: but anyway thank you .. will try to put to work ..
08:40 AM Tom_L: i was testing setting up a carousel tool changer in my code, your code will be somewhat different
08:41 AM Tom_L: the remap should be quite similar though
08:58 AM Contract_Pilot-A: Merry Christmas
08:59 AM pfred1: ho ho ho!
09:00 AM DurvalHenke: Merry Christmas .. Feliz Natal (portuguese)
09:31 AM jthornton: now were talking eggs just got a second one 61g
09:33 AM Roguish: Merry Christmas All..... and Happy Holidaze too........................
09:34 AM pfred1: thanks Roguish a very merry to you too
09:54 AM IchGucksLive: hi
09:54 AM IchGucksLive: DurvalHenke: still on ?
09:56 AM IchGucksLive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M2yqr3lKfo
09:56 AM IchGucksLive: you did find the Channel
09:56 AM IchGucksLive: as asked on the web ;-)
09:58 AM pfred1: you found us!
09:58 AM pfred1: LinuxCNC people
09:58 AM DurvalHenke: yes.. fighting with manual tool change .. remap ..
09:59 AM IchGucksLive: WHy remap didend you see my video i told you on youtube
09:59 AM IchGucksLive: it handels all on G92
09:59 AM IchGucksLive: # vertical feeding to depth
09:59 AM IchGucksLive: if curCommand.z != currLocation["Z"]:
09:59 AM IchGucksLive: newpath.append(curCommand)
09:59 AM IchGucksLive: currLocation.update(curCommand.Parameters)
10:00 AM IchGucksLive: continue
10:00 AM IchGucksLive: OH
10:00 AM IchGucksLive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M2yqr3lKfo
10:00 AM IchGucksLive: and it also handels a tool change position safly
10:00 AM DurvalHenke: watching now..
10:02 AM IchGucksLive: its a small cheese and it does what yoiu need
10:03 AM IchGucksLive: you can also do this on a side mesuring table that holds the toolofsets
10:06 AM DurvalHenke: I saw the video, but what I'm milling is a irregular shape form.. what I need is to have a place to change tool and another place to setup the tool high ..
10:07 AM IchGucksLive: thats what i told you
10:08 AM IchGucksLive: tom did a full maping on this
10:10 AM DurvalHenke: Yes I will try harder.. I Have only one month in contact with linuxcnc.. learning quickly but newbie will be always newbie..
10:10 AM hazzy: Merry Christmas all!
10:10 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
10:11 AM IchGucksLive: DurvalHenke: im the youtube guy
10:11 AM IchGucksLive: you asked today
10:13 AM DurvalHenke: Yes I Know. a German guy.. besides I have a German Surname .. I Do not speak any single word in German. And I like you channel in Youtube a lot.
10:15 AM IchGucksLive: a good idee is to get a Zlevel Table
10:15 AM IchGucksLive: so you insert a Tool make your part zero with that tool
10:16 AM IchGucksLive: move to tool change location xY
10:16 AM IchGucksLive: move to the Z Zero of the part at toolchange location xy
10:17 AM IchGucksLive: screw the Zeroing table up as it touches the tool i got a LED in sidepanel to see this
10:17 AM DurvalHenke: i was able to put to work the example of manual tool change sim in a real machine
10:17 AM IchGucksLive: and then youu can zero all the other tools easy there
10:17 AM IchGucksLive: sim is not real
10:17 AM DurvalHenke: but the problem was when the machine touch the z plate.. it continues never have the signal to stop..
10:20 AM DurvalHenke: And i saw a lot of video on youtube with people putting this to work ..
10:20 AM IchGucksLive: in sim
10:20 AM DurvalHenke: NO Not in sim .. in real machines ..
10:20 AM IchGucksLive: did you use the Simulation Touchoff in termial
10:21 AM IchGucksLive: did you check the siganl
10:22 AM DurvalHenke: yes i checked the signal.. but the z machine even with the signal triggered continues to travel until have timeout or break the tool :-)
10:22 AM IchGucksLive: net toolprobe motion.probe-input <= parport.0.pin-12-in-not
10:22 AM pfred1: I need a Z plate
10:22 AM IchGucksLive: THEN somthing is wrong
10:23 AM DurvalHenke: sorry not zmachine .. z axis..
10:23 AM IchGucksLive: did you check manuel
10:23 AM IchGucksLive: o<znullen> sub
10:23 AM IchGucksLive: G91 ( relative mode for probing)
10:23 AM IchGucksLive: G38.2 Z-25 F100 ( trip switch on the way down)
10:23 AM IchGucksLive: G90 ( absolute mode)
10:23 AM IchGucksLive: G92 Z0 (set Z0 )
10:23 AM IchGucksLive: G1 Z3.5 F150 (move tool free)
10:24 AM IchGucksLive: o<znullen> endsub
10:24 AM IchGucksLive: M2
10:24 AM IchGucksLive: TRY this
10:24 AM DurvalHenke: Ok I will try.. but i will have to put a call in g_code correct ?
10:24 AM IchGucksLive: in MDI
10:25 AM IchGucksLive: put the CODE inside znullen.ngc
10:25 AM IchGucksLive: to the nc_folder
10:25 AM IchGucksLive: nc_files
10:25 AM DurvalHenke: ok.. thank you . i will try later.. redoing the installation of linuxcnc ..
10:25 AM DurvalHenke: Ok ..
10:25 AM IchGucksLive: in mdi at about 10mm above touchplate
10:26 AM IchGucksLive: o<znullen> call
10:47 AM Tom_L: small cheese..
10:53 AM DurvalHenke: Got it working.. the sim.axis.remap.manual-toolchange-with-tool-lenght-switch in real machine.. ;-)
10:53 AM DurvalHenke: all perfect ..
10:53 AM gloops: xmas TV is poor again
10:54 AM Tom_L: nice
10:54 AM gloops: singin the rain! spare us
10:54 AM gloops: well done Durval
10:54 AM Tom_L: gloops it could be snow
10:54 AM Tom_L: or ice
10:54 AM IchGucksLive: DurvalHenke: what has been the fault
10:54 AM Tom_L: yeah DurvalHenke glad you got it working so quick
10:55 AM Tom_L: IchGucksLive
10:55 AM Tom_L: did you see my latest progress?
10:55 AM gloops: yeah pretty mild here Tom
10:56 AM DurvalHenke: put a comment in #net probe-contact gladevcp.probe-contact motion.probe-input in gladevcp.hal
10:56 AM Tom_L: it's cold here but no moisture yet
10:57 AM DurvalHenke: And everything is working..
10:57 AM Tom_L: now go tell your friends how awesome linuxcnc support is :)
10:59 AM DurvalHenke: :-) I Hope someday to understand LinuxCnc better and do support here in Brazil for Brazilian people with no knowledge of English Language.
11:00 AM IchGucksLive: im off
11:08 AM gloops: getting close to testing yet Tom?
11:09 AM Tom_L: naw, still waiting on him to flatten the surfaces
11:09 AM Tom_L: i did mount the stuff to Z though
11:09 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Z_Axis_Assembly_Down.jpg
11:10 AM Tom_L: once i figure out what's gonna go there, i'll probably trim the excess off that extension
11:11 AM Tom_L: surprised how easy it turns though
11:11 AM Tom_L: even going up
11:11 AM gloops: yeah, looking well
11:12 AM gloops: ive never used ballscrews before and pretty surprised how little turn it takes to move a lot of weight
11:13 AM Roguish: gloops: smooth, huh?
11:14 AM gloops: smooth yeah, they are 5mm pitch so pretty low gearing i suppose, can bring gantry along with finger and thumb turning - over 100lbs
11:14 AM Roguish: you'll never go back to lead screws.
11:15 AM Tom_L: yeah, i can put my finger on top of the pulley and turn it up or down
11:15 AM Tom_L: i wholly agree
11:15 AM Roguish: keep 'em lubed. a little goes a long way, but very important.
11:15 AM Tom_L: what type of lube do you use
11:15 AM Roguish: and clean.
11:15 AM pfred1: I use dry lube
11:15 AM pfred1: some kind of teflon stuff?
11:16 AM Tom_L: i'm gonna try to figure out some covers too
11:16 AM Tom_L: teflon builds up i think
11:16 AM Tom_L: i don't think i'd use that
11:16 AM pfred1: yeah blaster dry lube with teflon
11:16 AM Roguish: covers are good at keeping the chunks out.
11:16 AM Roguish: wipers are better. like felt.
11:16 AM gloops: actually yes i forgot, i meant to rub some light oil on them now theyre in the garage, even not being used, i noticed they oxidize npretty quick, few small spots already on the ends
11:16 AM Tom_L: it's not gonna get 24/7 use anyway
11:17 AM Roguish: can use felt as luber too.
11:17 AM Tom_L: i put light oil on everything so far
11:17 AM Tom_L: but i'm just assembling it
11:18 AM pfred1: for my mill ways i use chainsaw bar lube
11:18 AM pfred1: it has nice stiction
11:18 AM Tom_L: yeah that's pretty thick stuff
11:18 AM Roguish: lite oil is good. it's the coating that works.
11:18 AM Tom_L: these have grease zerks on the ends and ball nut
11:19 AM pfred1: oil gets pretty dirty though
11:19 AM Roguish: way lube is good oil, without a lot of detergents (I think)
11:19 AM gloops: felt sounds a good idea, some kind of mop set up to wipe them
11:19 AM Tom_L: that or what about refrigerant lube?
11:19 AM pfred1: Roguish stores around here don't carry way oil so much
11:19 AM Tom_L: it's detergent free too isn't it?
11:19 AM pfred1: but i can get bar lube just about anyplace
11:21 AM Roguish: https://www.amazon.com/LUBRICATION-MAINTENANCE-EXPEDITED-DELIVERY-AVAILABLE/dp/B010GEMQXS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1514222419&sr=8-2&keywords=machine+way+lube
11:21 AM pfred1: Jeff Bezos is too rich already
11:22 AM Roguish: yeah, i know. Mobile Vectra no. 2
11:22 AM Tom_L: i'll just ask my bud where he gets his
11:22 AM Tom_L: he ran a shop for years and kept a couple machines after he "retired"
11:23 AM Tom_L: and this is a big machining town so i'm sure it's available locally
11:23 AM Roguish: my local machine tool supplier gave me a gallon free. enough for a decade or 2. now he has a good customer
11:23 AM Tom_L: he wrote it off as advertizing too :)
11:24 AM pfred1: I go through a couple quarts of bar oil a year but i have a couple acres of trees too
11:24 AM Tom_L: i've got a gallon in the garage
11:24 AM pfred1: because i do use bar oil in chainsaws
11:24 AM Tom_L: just seems a bit thick for this app
11:24 AM pfred1: I like how the stiction makes my mikll feel
11:25 AM pfred1: my mill even
11:25 AM pfred1: kind of like microscope stage oil
11:25 AM Roguish: think quality. think about your investment in the ball screws.
11:25 AM pfred1: my mill doesn't have ball screws
11:25 AM Tom_L: anybody near memphis?
11:26 AM Roguish: not always good to get too thrifty....
11:26 AM Tom_L: just wondering about the construction status there
11:26 AM Roguish: or lead screws or ways.
11:26 AM pfred1: meh it is about 30 years old now and it is OK
12:19 PM lunadabay: but it's a fairly heavy gantry because the machine is 4'x8' and has a 36" z travel
12:31 PM gloops: 36 z?
12:33 PM pfred1: the guy must be milling midgets
12:34 PM gloops: they dont make plywood that thick!
12:34 PM pfred1: you can stack it that high though
12:35 PM pfred1: I was talking to a guy who had a water jet and he said he stacked the steel plates a foot high and cut them all at once
12:35 PM gloops: wow, yeah maybe its that
12:36 PM miss0r: woah :o 36" z ?
12:36 PM gloops: was thinking a cutting bit is gonna have trouble getting in to any slots or whatever
12:36 PM miss0r: I wonder what the cut looks like on that water jet comming out the buttom :)
12:36 PM pfred1: drink a case of beer and hold it
12:38 PM gloops: i knew a joiner who used to put 4 doors on top of each other and drill them all with brace and bit
12:38 PM gloops: he was quick..but a bit rough
12:38 PM miss0r: I don't trust my skills enough to want to break 4 doors at once :]
12:40 PM pfred1: yeah when I hung a door here I was pretty careful with it
12:40 PM pfred1: I think it was over $250?
12:40 PM pfred1: I know i didn't want to run out and buy another one
12:40 PM gloops: that might be the trouble though - lack of confidence
12:41 PM gloops: youre willing something to go wrong heh
12:41 PM pfred1: more like lack of a fat wallet
12:41 PM pfred1: that and i don't have the really expensive jigs
12:42 PM pfred1: I do have a butt gage now though
12:43 PM gloops: hanging a door in a twisted frame - which they all are, is a bit of a challenge to someone who doesnt do it all the time
12:43 PM pfred1: yeah it is kind of kooky that the door doesn't just fit
12:44 PM pfred1: someplace i still have the offcut from the door
12:45 PM gloops: classic mistake is probably drilling the wrong side, or cutting the hinges from the wrong face
12:46 PM pfred1: or making your mortises too deep there's a lot fo things that can go wrong
12:49 PM pfred1: here's a picture I took while I was hanging it https://i.imgur.com/VDZkC3s.jpg
12:50 PM gloops: well, looks ok
12:51 PM pfred1: yeah it worked OK
12:51 PM gloops: lol
12:51 PM pfred1: all hung https://i.imgur.com/TUOjDu0.jpg
12:52 PM pfred1: but it's not something I do on a regular basis
12:52 PM gloops: that looks fine, you should advertise for door hanging services
12:52 PM pfred1: I'm kinda slow at it to make a living
12:53 PM pfred1: first you get good, then you get fast. I'm still a long way from being fast at it
12:54 PM pfred1: they make jigs that ost big dollars for mortising the doors
12:54 PM pfred1: I just made a jig out of a scrap of wood
12:54 PM gloops: true yes, a joiner on a site throws 10 doors a day on - but he set the frames, so they all fit perfect to start
12:55 PM gloops: using a router for the mortising pfred?
12:55 PM pfred1: oh yeah
12:56 PM pfred1: I got the hinges with the round corners
12:57 PM pfred1: I like my woodworking occasionally
12:57 PM pfred1: I used to do it more
12:57 PM pfred1: I still like the challenge that wood presents though the stuff just sucks so bad to work with
12:58 PM gloops: wood is nice to work with when there is no time pressure, it can be a sweat job if you are against the clock
12:58 PM pfred1: knots grain it keeps it interesting
12:59 PM pfred1: I made the frame of my CNC machine out of wood
12:59 PM pfred1: and I fussed over it so much it is within thousandths
01:01 PM * jym drops water on pfred1's wood frame and see's if it's stil within hundreds ;)
01:02 PM pfred1: nah it doesn't move like folks say
01:02 PM jym: pfred1: "That's Swell" <circa 1950's>
01:02 PM pfred1: I made it out of plain old 2x6 and 2x4
01:03 PM gloops: you cant beat wood
01:03 PM pfred1: but I planed it all square
01:03 PM pfred1: like I took the bull noses off all of it
01:03 PM jym: The suck thing about wood is twisting, bowing, cupping,
01:03 PM jym: and finishing
01:04 PM pfred1: it hasn't been an issue
01:04 PM Tom_L: jym, all material does that
01:04 PM jym: Tom_L: Not to the same degree as wood
01:04 PM pfred1: I never painted it or anything
01:05 PM jym: I like wood, just not GREAT at it
01:05 PM pfred1: well I did have an issue with my old Z axis
01:05 PM pfred1: it was really touchy
01:05 PM pfred1: so I remade it using Micarta
01:06 PM gloops: i was going to use wood for mine, ive saved all kinds of hardwood frames, it would have been made a lot quicker i know that
01:07 PM pfred1: this was sketchy http://i.imgur.com/lSsNyBG.jpg
01:07 PM pfred1: that the plywood was painted when I found it
01:07 PM gloops: dovetailed plastic, how well does that work?
01:08 PM pfred1: well if the wood didn't expand it was so so
01:08 PM pfred1: I never could get any good speed out of it
01:08 PM Roguish: pfred1: does it work the way you want it to?
01:08 PM pfred1: nah I replaced it
01:08 PM pfred1: it was OK but never ran as fast as i wanted it to
01:09 PM pfred1: I tried this http://i.imgur.com/eBfoT6s.jpg
01:09 PM pfred1: but that I had problems with too
01:10 PM pfred1: it turns out when I bake HDPE it develops internal stress
01:10 PM pfred1: so it kind of curls up with the undercutting I did
01:10 PM pfred1: so I scrapped that
01:11 PM pfred1: and settled on this https://i.imgur.com/arzFmKQ.jpg
01:16 PM gloops: i got some of these rollon rails in a box of misc so im trying them on the z, bit old but seem solid enough http://picpaste.com/rollon_001-jPBJm0NW.JPG
01:17 PM pfred1: they look fancy
01:17 PM pfred1: I want to get real linear guides someday
01:18 PM pfred1: but to be honest my machine works as it is
01:18 PM pfred1: there's other things i need to do first with it like make a z plate
01:19 PM gloops: they are expensive new, very expensive, some old girl on ebay was selling her husbands stuff, got a box full for £20
01:19 PM pfred1: I've never tried using any of my port inputs yet
01:20 PM pfred1: I don't even know if they work
01:20 PM pfred1: I have no limit or home switches
01:20 PM pfred1: none of that
01:21 PM pfred1: with touching off i can see a Z plate being handy
01:21 PM pfred1: right now I eyeball it
01:22 PM gloops: ally plates ?
01:22 PM pfred1: I was thinking copper
01:22 PM pfred1: I got some copper plates
01:22 PM gloops: like these - http://picpaste.com/plates_002-25nOT69c.JPG lol
01:22 PM pfred1: what is that aluminum plates?
01:23 PM gloops: yeah £50 theyre bent to hell
01:23 PM gloops: ive got some hardwood board better i could have used
01:23 PM pfred1: they shear cut?
01:24 PM pfred1: I watch this guy on YouTube that straightens out shafting
01:24 PM gloops: i didnt cut them, would say almost 1mm cupping
01:24 PM pfred1: I bet he could get them plates pretty flat
01:24 PM pfred1: he takes bent stuff and straightens it out
01:25 PM pfred1: he maps it with an indicator and just goes to town
01:25 PM gloops: well if you skim it youre losing strength, would take some pressing out
01:25 PM pfred1: yeah he'd press it maybe torch it
01:26 PM pfred1: that's how he straightens shafting with a torch and water
01:26 PM gloops: ive set the bow the same way for both plates see how it works when i start taking measurements
01:26 PM Rab: I've found HDPE changes shape just sitting there (outside in Texas summer). I've been using cheap cutting boards for table surface scratch material, but it's only suitable for routing flat stock...no Z-axis precision.
01:26 PM pfred1: Rab HDPE has tension in it I think?
01:26 PM Rab: Delrin/acetal is sterner stuff, but slabs big enough for dovetails are probably more expensive than some cheap linear bearings.
01:26 PM pfred1: like the molecules are like speings
01:27 PM pfred1: springs even
01:27 PM Rab: pfred1, I would have imagined baking would reduce that, but I guess not?
01:27 PM `Wolf: I think flame straighten plate wouldn’t work very well lol
01:27 PM `Wolf: would go mad chasing the warpage
01:27 PM pfred1: well the thing is to keep it from warping I clamp it while it cools
01:28 PM pfred1: that makes it develop stess
01:28 PM pfred1: the warp is internal then?
01:28 PM pfred1: I don't know how they manufacture HDPE commercially in slabs
01:28 PM pfred1: but it probably involves some kind of squeezing
01:29 PM pfred1: maybe rollers?
01:29 PM `Wolf: no idea, I would think extruded or cast
01:29 PM pfred1: well when you cast HDPE it kind of goes crazy as it cools
01:29 PM `Wolf: true
01:29 PM `Wolf: shrinkage
01:29 PM pfred1: I got a picture here let me find it
01:30 PM pfred1: yes it shrinks like crazy
01:30 PM `Wolf: I kinda hate plastics
01:30 PM `Wolf: least in relation to my 3d printer lol
01:30 PM pfred1: look at the block lower right http://i.imgur.com/boPwUiN.jpg
01:30 PM pfred1: that is a block I threw back in the oven then just let cool
01:31 PM `Wolf: lol
01:31 PM `Wolf: I have had 3d prints look like that lol
01:31 PM pfred1: yeah it is insane how much HDPE shrinks
01:31 PM `Wolf: abs + cold drafts = bad day
01:31 PM pfred1: that block has a big muffin top on it too but I sawed it off
01:32 PM pfred1: so it's something I've yet to come up with a solution to
01:32 PM pfred1: how to deal with HDPE warpage
01:33 PM pfred1: its still great stuff to have in the shop but it has its limits
01:34 PM `Wolf: yeah, reminds me that I need ti try to get ahold of someone I know that has a barn full of hdpe panels
01:35 PM pfred1: I hear sign makers scrap loads of HDPE
01:35 PM `Wolf: https://i.imgur.com/d6eqnNG.jpg at least these came out pretty good
01:35 PM pfred1: they get 2 cents a pound for it
01:35 PM `Wolf: this guy did commercial restrooms
01:35 PM `Wolf: so he has a load of 1” thick panels
01:35 PM pfred1: that would be nice
01:36 PM pfred1: I knew a guy that got pistol grip handle panels
01:36 PM pfred1: he did work for a guy that made it so the guy gave him some
01:36 PM pfred1: it has combed patterns in it
01:37 PM pfred1: so looks like marble? It was sharp
01:37 PM `Wolf: sure it was HDPE?
01:37 PM pfred1: oh i don't know what kind of plastic it was
01:38 PM pfred1: I don't evne know if my buddy knew
01:38 PM `Wolf: I think using epoxy layups (micarta) is more common
01:38 PM pfred1: it may have been these were big panels though
01:38 PM pfred1: this guy was making handles for like COlt
01:38 PM pfred1: like pro
01:39 PM pfred1: as in when you go to the store and buy a pistol you're getting handles out of his plastic
01:40 PM `Wolf: could be cast acrylic as well
01:40 PM `Wolf: can get that in some cool colors I think
01:40 PM gloops: 1605 screw 2000rpm, i bet mine that came from china in a bubble wrap bag wont do that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VYHfa7pAvw
01:40 PM pfred1: this stuff was beautiful
01:41 PM pfred1: whip it good
01:41 PM pfred1: I've run my leads up to 2,000 RPM
01:42 PM pfred1: mine don't look that good when they do it
01:42 PM `Wolf: https://www.pennstateind.com/store/WXLB9926.html acrylic here
01:43 PM pfred1: the stuff I saw was made in New jersey I think?
01:43 PM pfred1: unless the guy brought it from somewhere else?
01:44 PM pfred1: yeah his was combed differently
01:44 PM `Wolf: that was just a quick example lol
01:44 PM pfred1: there's a reason Colt was dealing with this guy his work was dynamite
01:45 PM `Wolf: that or he was cheaper then everyone else
01:45 PM pfred1: I don't know
01:46 PM * `Wolf isn’t that impressed with colt products
01:46 PM pfred1: you don't like their pearl handles?
01:47 PM `Wolf: I have a colt 1911 gold cup national match series 80 and the fit on it sucks
01:48 PM pfred1: some of my wacky blocks http://i.imgur.com/MogRQ2i.jpg
01:49 PM pfred1: before I switched over to all blow molded plastic
01:49 PM `Wolf: hmm what to work on today
01:50 PM `Wolf: I’m having a case of project ADD lol
01:50 PM pfred1: I'm going to work on some pecan pie once I've digested some
01:50 PM pfred1: that's my big project for today
01:52 PM pfred1: there's my plunge router base I'm making https://i.imgur.com/Y6WSMdL.jpg
01:52 PM `Wolf: nice
01:52 PM pfred1: out of you guessed it, HDPE
01:53 PM pfred1: I bought that router to use on my CNC machine but it was so loud I couldn't hack listening to it
01:53 PM pfred1: I bought it used I think the bearings are shot in it?
01:54 PM `Wolf: probably
01:54 PM `Wolf: replace them
01:54 PM pfred1: I took them out and lubed them but they're still awfully loud
01:54 PM `Wolf: roll free or feel notchy?
01:55 PM pfred1: they seemed OK
01:55 PM pfred1: not new but they didn't grab or anything
01:55 PM `Wolf: should be AC bearings on the spindle as well
01:55 PM `Wolf: unless its a shit router lol
01:55 PM pfred1: it's a Bosch Colt
01:56 PM `Wolf: built for trim not plunge work
01:56 PM `Wolf: I think
01:56 PM pfred1: yeah it is a router
01:56 PM pfred1: they expect you to plunge into work with it
01:57 PM `Wolf: no, routers are made to either plunge or trim (edge work)
01:57 PM pfred1: hmmm
01:57 PM pfred1: well plunging never seemed to hirt this one
01:57 PM pfred1: hurt even
01:57 PM `Wolf: the 80% AR-15 guys find this out often lol
01:57 PM pfred1: what happens?
01:58 PM `Wolf: bearings die fast
01:58 PM pfred1: they're just ball bearings
01:58 PM `Wolf: plunge routers have angular contact bearings, trim just has high speed bearings
01:59 PM pfred1: I've taken a lot of routers apart I've never seen special bearings in any of them
01:59 PM `Wolf: least should...
01:59 PM gloops: treat yourself to a spindle pfred
01:59 PM pfred1: I have a 500 W air cooled spindle
01:59 PM `Wolf: its also $100 router vs $300-400 router
02:00 PM pfred1: well I should say "500" W because it only seems to draw 100W to me
02:00 PM pfred1: it turns too slowly but it works
02:00 PM `Wolf: I can’t wait to spin this x2 up with 750w brushless spindle motor =)
02:01 PM pfred1: I think the top RPM is 13,500 ?
02:01 PM pfred1: I wish it was 30,000
02:01 PM pfred1: I still did test cuts with it and it cuts way deeper than I'd ever do in a single pass
02:01 PM gloops: well i dont know whats required for cutting plastic but maybe strong enough?
02:02 PM gloops: 0-24k on the hy chinese spindles
02:02 PM pfred1: but sith small diameter bits I'd like higher RPM
02:03 PM pfred1: it is quiet though
02:04 PM pfred1: the other thing that ticks me off with this bosch router is the collet is metric
02:04 PM pfred1: they want $20 for a new collet too
02:05 PM gloops: its all those bits and bobs that make it an expensive job
02:05 PM Rab: I was gonna use a DeWalt palm router (DWP611), but then I looked at the parts diagram and it has one small deep-groove ball bearing for the business end, with a 608 bearing at the top. And everything in that class is built the same way. Not a good spindle for the price, unless you're routing thin sheets of plywood.
02:05 PM pfred1: I can get 1/4" shank tools in it but it's hard
02:06 PM pfred1: Rab the sound of a router going for hours is hard to handle
02:06 PM pfred1: you might not think so until you have to listen to it
02:06 PM Rab: I can imagine.
02:06 PM gloops: cant you fit an er11 collet, you can get all the adaptors then, mind you thats another £40 down the bog lol
02:06 PM pfred1: well it kind of surprised me
02:07 PM pfred1: but it is different you using a tool and making noise as opposed to listening to noise
02:07 PM pfred1: the latter is a lot more annoying
02:08 PM pfred1: there's reasons why people buy the spindles
02:08 PM gloops: i had 2 routers on my old machine, both cut very well - just the noise mainly, totally different machine with a spindle, plus you got the control of the spindle from linuxcnc and its a standardised system, collets, bits holders etc
02:09 PM pfred1: yeah just thinking about the noise makes me not want to cut a job
02:09 PM gloops: big spend but its worth it if you can afford one, im going to get a stronger one, 2.2kw
02:09 PM pfred1: I have a black 500W I want a better one but I guess this one works
02:10 PM pfred1: I san see getting an ER16 someday
02:10 PM Rab: I built this instead: http://reboots.g-cipher.net/spindle/
02:10 PM Rab: Really cheap if you have access to a lathe.
02:11 PM gloops: i said i was gonna wait till the machine actually started making money before i started spending on it - im about another £500 in and still not with a profit making machine lol
02:11 PM pfred1: I need to cut a bunch of signs
02:12 PM pfred1: Rab that's decent
02:14 PM pfred1: the noise a router makes especially hung off a machine sets my teeth on edge
02:14 PM gloops: thats a good idea Rab
02:16 PM Rab: I'm working on a version with bigger bearings, ER16 collet holder, and a 3-phase electric chainsaw motor. But this one has been working fine. I doubt it's equivalent to a chinese 1KW spindle, but it was cheaper than a palm router.
02:16 PM pfred1: I'm telling you don't use a router
02:16 PM pfred1: it only looks good
02:16 PM gloops: lol
02:17 PM pfred1: that's one of those ideas that on the face of it seems reasonable but in reality doesn't work so well
02:18 PM gloops: my neighbour over the back runs round gathering her kids up and takes them in the house when i start the hitachi router up
02:18 PM pfred1: I have a Hitachi M12V
02:18 PM pfred1: one of the old big ugly ones
02:18 PM gloops: yeah i got one of those, great machines
02:19 PM gloops: ive got an even older hitachi tr12 i think it is
02:19 PM pfred1: if I tried ti hang it off my CNC the machine would fall over
02:19 PM miss0r: lol
02:19 PM gloops: have got mine upside down in a bench, great for panel raising, rebating anything like that
02:20 PM pfred1: yeah i use mine in a table a lot
02:20 PM pfred1: people tend not to like hen because of the ears in the base
02:20 PM pfred1: some folks cut those off
02:21 PM pfred1: I don't have any bits that hit those
02:21 PM gloops: it can get close, if you mount it in a thick table
02:22 PM pfred1: I put the router on a base plate that goes into a table
02:24 PM pfred1: giving the Hitachi a workout http://i.imgur.com/54AwAo9.jpg
02:24 PM gloops: router sled
02:25 PM gloops: ive got a plan for doing that quicker
02:25 PM pfred1: yeah get a bandsaw
02:27 PM gloops: cant find the vid now, horizontal spindle on router
02:29 PM gloops: so basically, a planer cutter block on the bottom of the z
02:29 PM gloops: you got a cnc planer
02:29 PM pfred1: here's what happened ot that log http://i.imgur.com/0flhQ.jpg
02:30 PM pfred1: http://i.imgur.com/QPZtB.jpg
02:30 PM gloops: very noce, van full of that stuff at an xmas market, sell like hot cakes
02:31 PM pfred1: I was channeling George Nakashima when i made that piece
02:32 PM pfred1: cept I should have made something like this http://2jhy9p2kj4y6ab3p51sj2cde-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/photo-1_nakashima-furniture-in-gallery.jpg
02:33 PM pfred1: that bench is probably worth about a half a mil
02:34 PM gloops: not if we made it though
02:35 PM pfred1: nope
02:35 PM pfred1: I used to see George on the sidewalk
02:35 PM pfred1: when I drove through new Hope
02:35 PM pfred1: I could have bought his shit off him back then for a couple hundred a piece
02:36 PM pfred1: but it seemed like big money at the time
02:37 PM miss0r: I just did this horrible repair job :) http://picpaste.com/IMG_20171225_213427-VZLCAeKm.jpg
02:37 PM pfred1: one of his tables sold for $5.5 million
02:38 PM miss0r: The two boses as ses on the nearest one was broken off, so I turned'n milled some new ones in stainless steel and glued them in place.... Good thing this will be hidden undearneath a speaker
02:38 PM pfred1: I'
02:38 PM miss0r: but on the upside: It was nice trying the lathe with the newly installed DRO :]
02:39 PM pfred1: I'd have slaped some JB Weldit on it and called it a day
02:39 PM miss0r: Yeah. The owner tried that. But theres a screw inside of thoes, which basically wants to pull them off
02:40 PM miss0r: The ones I just installed has a collar on the other side of the plastic
02:40 PM pfred1: JB is stronger than ABS
02:40 PM pfred1: not as strong as stainless is though
02:41 PM miss0r: hehe. The customer came in asking if I could 'mill a new one in aluminium'. I asked him if he had any idea what that would cost, and he said no. :) so I offered this solution
02:41 PM pfred1: I don't really like aluminum
02:42 PM miss0r: It beats machining in stainless
02:42 PM pfred1: aly never seems that strong or tough to me
02:42 PM miss0r: but anyway. I didn't do the math, but I think a mount like this, milled from one peice of aluminium would cost alot. Not to mention the drawing lol
02:43 PM pfred1: though there's so many kinds of aluminum alloys
02:43 PM miss0r: hmm. I hear you. If you are going to make something of alu, you better be prepared to have it take up alot of space, compared to steel
02:43 PM pfred1: which is another thing I don't like about aly I never know what it is
02:43 PM miss0r: but, replacing ABS with alu should be a no brainer
02:44 PM gloops: could make something with steel, welded, not look anything like that but with the mounts the same
02:44 PM pfred1: I just watched a guy on YouTube make some aluminum bronze
02:44 PM miss0r: sure. But he wanted something that looks the same. He wanted the alu mount painted'n everything
02:44 PM pfred1: he had a lot of great things to say about it
02:45 PM pfred1: if you want things to look the same then don't break them in the first place
02:45 PM gloops: i watched someone mix 25% ally with 75% brass - makes a very nice rose gold coloured metal
02:45 PM gloops: if you do it the other way 75% all - it shatters like glass
02:45 PM pfred1: that's my broken item rule
02:46 PM miss0r: woah. I'm all about ordering the alloy I need. I'm waaay waaaay behind on the melting'n mixing my own
02:46 PM pfred1: this guy just mixed copper with aluminum 10% aluminum by weight
02:46 PM pfred1: yeah you could have cast the piece pretty easily
02:46 PM pfred1: just added the shrinkage
02:47 PM pfred1: dip the part in plaster or something
02:47 PM gloops: end of the day if youre running a machine shop you machine stuff not cast it i suppose
02:48 PM miss0r: I would love to, actualy. but I have alot of stuff to take care of before I start getting into casting
02:49 PM pfred1: I'm watching an amateur on YouTube he's moving rght along with it I made a furnace
02:49 PM pfred1: but i only ever ran it once
02:49 PM gloops: its ok to cast blanks though, for maching, surprising what these small kilns can melt, 2000 degrees, copper, brass easily, not much more required to melt iron
02:49 PM pfred1: I made beercanium
02:49 PM miss0r: hehe
02:50 PM pfred1: which there's some in my CNC machine
02:50 PM miss0r: IF.. and thats a big if. if I start to do some casting, its gonna be cast iron. That is what I often use in odd shapes and sizes
02:50 PM gloops: ally is everywhere, just everywhere
02:50 PM pfred1: I cut one of the muffins into wedges and stuffed them into an extrusion that holds my spindle
02:50 PM pfred1: I needed some more meat to tap
02:51 PM gloops: ive had about 6lbs molten
02:51 PM pfred1: half my melt was dross
02:51 PM gloops: ive also had an explosion that could have done serious injury
02:52 PM pfred1: stuff does have to be dry
02:52 PM pfred1: can't be too hasty pushing cans into the melt
02:52 PM gloops: have you tried any flux in the ally pfred - to seperate the dross
02:52 PM pfred1: yeah I used borax
02:52 PM pfred1: didn't do much
02:52 PM gloops: did it make much difference?
02:52 PM gloops: ahh
02:52 PM pfred1: not that i could tell
02:53 PM pfred1: there's other things people use like salt
02:53 PM gloops: yes salts
02:53 PM pfred1: casting metal is interesting but it is also pretty time consuming
02:54 PM gloops: i found it better to do a kind of pre melting first, melt the scrap and pour clean ingots, then melt the ingots to do the job
02:54 PM pfred1: yes
02:54 PM pfred1: I never got past ingoting
02:54 PM pfred1: but like i said i cut up one of my muffin ingots and used it like that
02:55 PM pfred1: that and JB Weldit
02:55 PM pfred1: yehaw!
02:55 PM gloops: im going to get into it when this machine project is finally done
02:56 PM pfred1: I still have my furnace i need a gas burner thoug hI guess
02:56 PM pfred1: I was using charcoal
02:56 PM gloops: with hairdryer?
02:57 PM pfred1: I actually scored a fireplace blower at a yrd sale
02:57 PM pfred1: you can almost see it in this piecure http://i.imgur.com/Ld6E4.jpg
02:57 PM gloops: i think you can get up to iron temps putting propane in as well
02:58 PM gloops: i think coke would be better than charcoal too
02:58 PM pfred1: yeah this guy I'm watching on YouTube his furnace gets hot
02:58 PM gloops: excellent
02:59 PM pfred1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVzWrPwi8_o
03:02 PM lunadabay: ones that tall are usually foam
03:02 PM gloops: hey that ally bronze looks good
03:11 PM hazzy: heh
03:11 PM `Wolf: lol
03:11 PM Loetmichel: there we go
03:12 PM hazzy: Wonder who did that?
03:12 PM Loetmichel: that took some sweet time
03:12 PM hazzy: thanks!
03:12 PM gloops: will be back though
03:12 PM Loetmichel: they were awfully busy in #freenode
03:12 PM Loetmichel: about 2 dozen channels with spam in less than 5 minutes i could count;)
03:12 PM hazzy: Now it just needed to find a new nick, and be back :(
03:12 PM pfred1: bans are on hostmasks
03:13 PM hazzy: Oh, good
03:13 PM `Wolf: k-line is host ban
03:13 PM Loetmichel: so he needs at least a new IP
03:13 PM `Wolf: will take a little bit for them to set up to run a new one
03:13 PM gloops: have seen same one on undernet, not easy to get rid of
03:14 PM gloops: will be using tor or something similar
03:14 PM pfred1: floodbots
03:14 PM ferdna: @ops can you +R channel please?
03:14 PM ferdna: alex_joni, seb_kuzminsky ^
03:16 PM hazzy: The thing is what is the point of spaming? I just don't get some people ...
03:16 PM Loetmichel: hazzy: some get a hard one slightly annoying others.
03:17 PM hazzy: I guess they must
03:18 PM pfred1: everyone needs a hobby
03:19 PM pfred1: Spam song Monty Python https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8huXkSaL7o
03:20 PM Loetmichel: like i said: some script kiddies got a new PC/T1 line/rootserver for christmas.
03:20 PM Loetmichel: its obvious, isnt it?
03:20 PM gloops: got to practice for when they take the pentagon down
03:21 PM Loetmichel: hihi
03:21 PM pfred1: gloops that's already been tried
03:22 PM Loetmichel: gloops: hey, david lightman was pretty skilled for his time. imagine whe he could do with todays tech and knowledge ;)
03:22 PM pfred1: actually come to think about it they tried to levitate the Pentagon
03:22 PM pfred1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/10/19/the-day-anti-vietnam-war-protesters-tried-to-levitate-the-pentagon/
03:23 PM gloops: one day..lol
03:23 PM pfred1: so they didn't exactly try ot take it down they tried to raise it up
03:24 PM pfred1: would have been cool if it worked i bet the generals would have run right out and inucted them all into the army
03:25 PM gloops: there were groups of new age travellers here in the 80s who used to gather and try and open up some kind of cosmic portal
03:25 PM pfred1: just imagine a flying Pentagon
03:25 PM gloops: well you never know, some interesting experiments in telekinesis
03:26 PM Loetmichel: i would have liked to see the faces of said generals then when it starts to float ;)
03:26 PM pfred1: its all horsepucky
03:26 PM pfred1: those people bending spoons it was all a fraud
03:26 PM gloops: hmm, the mistake is to think there is a spoon
03:27 PM Loetmichel: problem is that even if telekineses somehow IS possible the laws of physics still apply
03:27 PM Loetmichel: ... meaning that a single person could NOT lift the pentagon, even if it HAD the power to do so
03:27 PM pfred1: we're not sure if the laws of physics apply everywhere but they seem pretty constant here
03:27 PM gloops: the laws of physics arent entirely laws atm though Loet
03:28 PM Loetmichel: WAY to much ground pressur for two feet to not sink in instead of lifting it.
03:28 PM Loetmichel: law enough that there are some "problems" when it comes to "superpowers"
03:29 PM pfred1: I've thought about a comedy show where Superman had to obey the laws of physics
03:29 PM gloops: the latest unification theory is that there is only one electron or quark in the universe
03:29 PM pfred1: it'd be a riot
03:30 PM gloops: it can be anywhere at all locations simultaneously
03:30 PM Loetmichel: pfred1: Indeed!
03:30 PM pfred1: be a shame if it went missing wouldn't it?
03:30 PM gloops: past or present or future
03:30 PM pfred1: Loetmichel yeah Superman takes off and wrecks a city block
03:31 PM Loetmichel: or lands and finds himself suddenly sitting on the tracks of the subway ;)
03:31 PM pfred1: yeah with all kinds of victims of his arrivel scattered about
03:32 PM pfred1: the whole show would be him trying to deal with it all
03:32 PM hazzy: gloops: My grandfather was a scientist at Los Alamos and worked on the A bomb. He thought there was only THE electron.
03:32 PM Loetmichel: or getting hit by a truck at full throttle and instead of trashing the truck in place flying backwards thru a mall
03:32 PM Loetmichel: ... all the way thru ;)
03:33 PM gloops: only one electron hazzy?
03:33 PM hazzy: Yes
03:33 PM gloops: carl sagan thought the universe was an electron, and we're all inside it
03:33 PM pfred1: yeah Superman can be super tough but he can't have more inertia standing here than a truck has hitting him
03:34 PM gloops: physics is pretty much the #1 subject
03:34 PM pfred1: carl sagan smoked too much dope
03:34 PM gloops: gotta feed the imagination
03:37 PM hazzy: Sometimes it seems like the universe is like a fractal, look at difrent magnifications and you see the same sort of thing. Solarsystems, atoms ...
03:38 PM Loetmichel: that theory is long gone
03:38 PM Loetmichel: (whats "wiederlegt" in english?)
03:39 PM pfred1: that's the gold foil wrapped chocolate coins isn't it?
03:39 PM Loetmichel: ah, refuted. the moment i spell the german word right i get a translation from google :-)
03:40 PM Loetmichel: what? gold coins???
03:41 PM pfred1: https://www.amazon.com/Large-Gold-Foiled-Chocolate-Coins/dp/B008JHU5BK
03:43 PM Loetmichel: what has THAT to do with anyting?
03:43 PM Loetmichel: +h
03:43 PM pfred1: wiederlegt
03:45 PM Loetmichel: yeah, wrong spelling
03:45 PM Loetmichel: the moment i deleted the first e i got the translation ;9
03:46 PM pfred1: legit
03:52 PM Deejay: gn8
03:53 PM pfred1: nite
09:11 PM trentster: Is Qjoypad still the recommended way of installing a USB joypad controller?
11:27 PM XXCoder: interesting trick https://youtu.be/NBpfa3fcmZc
11:36 PM Wolfmetalfab is now known as Wolf__