#linuxcnc Logs

Dec 02 2017

12:03 AM gloops: the waiting is a killer lol
12:58 AM IchGucksLive: hi
12:59 AM HighInBC: hi
01:02 AM gloops: hello
01:03 AM gloops: what thickness for z alluminium z plates - 12.7mm, 16 or 20
01:03 AM gloops: 400mm long
01:04 AM IchGucksLive: 8mm
01:04 AM gloops: 8mm! you think thats ok?
01:05 AM IchGucksLive: ofcause
01:05 AM IchGucksLive: or do you use a 3Kw spindle
01:05 AM gloops: ive got a piece here about 12mm it doesnt seem very bendy lol
01:06 AM IchGucksLive: even a 6mm 400x120 woudent bend
01:06 AM gloops: no, smaller spindle 800w, probably get a 1,5 though
01:07 AM IchGucksLive: if you dont trust then make a real stiff side bar 8x40
01:07 AM gloops: i want 200mm wide
01:07 AM IchGucksLive: on it not sidways
01:07 AM gloops: the bearing rails will stiffen one plate anyway
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: then go as light as you can
01:09 AM gloops: this cannot bend, i dont want to be re-making again
01:10 AM gloops: 500x200x12.7mm - should be ok, £38 each
01:11 AM gloops: i was thinking heavier, you are saying lighter, thats about the middle
01:29 AM Contract_Pilot: Wow... fricken tweekers
01:30 AM Contract_Pilot: and Craigslist!
01:31 AM Contract_Pilot: I am already out my Owners Cylinder trying to find somone with an Airgas account and a 250cuft oxygen rental that wants a Free oxygen cylinder for a spare.
01:32 AM Contract_Pilot: So if they can prove to me that they have a rental they can have a spare.
01:39 AM IchGucksLive: hi ferdna left or right to the boarder ;-)
01:40 AM ferdna: what?
01:40 AM IchGucksLive: Elpaso boarder city
01:40 AM IchGucksLive: im on the french boarder
01:40 AM ferdna: ohhh yes
01:40 AM ferdna: canadian
01:40 AM ferdna: nice
01:43 AM IchGucksLive: Germany-French
01:45 AM ferdna: ohh hahaha
01:45 AM ferdna: how do you know el paso is a border city
01:45 AM ferdna: europeans dont know shit about western geography
01:47 AM IchGucksLive: agree
01:47 AM gloops: there are no borders in the EUSSR
02:00 AM Deejay: moin
02:02 AM IchGucksLive: im off till later
02:13 AM archivist: thinner!!! wtf does he ever cut hard stuff
02:14 AM MarcelineVQ: you can't overbuild, you can only overbudget
02:26 AM gloops: true, i suppose Ichs has a point about weight though, this think does actually need to move lol, but the z axis is no place to be making weight cuts at the expense of stiffness
02:27 AM archivist: one can tell the bias to plastic cutting education
02:28 AM gloops: 8mm plate would be bendy
02:29 AM archivist: a dti and a little finger can show you how bendy your machine is
02:30 AM gloops: i dont need a dti with the one i made - i can see it bending
02:30 AM archivist: my 5 axis in its early form was terrible the spindle could be sprung about 12 thou
02:31 AM gloops: if i get 12 though ill be happy heh
02:31 AM gloops: thou
02:32 AM archivist: 12 is a lot to a small endmill
02:33 AM gloops: its surprising actually what can be seen, even with wood, if a line has a .1mm step in it its easy to see on a smaller object
02:35 AM gloops: not so critical for fitting purposes though
02:36 AM gloops: and if you have deflection causing it, its not just one line, the errors will be everywhere - carved text full of steps - no good
02:37 AM archivist: I was reading an article on wood surface finish, they were using a laser and FFT to see the frequency of the marks on the wood
02:38 AM archivist: Laser Metrology and Machine Performance, International Conference on Laser Metrology and Machine Performance, LAMDAMAP 93
02:39 AM archivist: it is my current book in the car while I wait
02:40 AM archivist: and the subject list http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bk3033
02:41 AM gloops: interesting stuff
02:43 AM gloops: found an old lathe like mine - unfortunately bodged and damaged - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-lathe/222737019081?
02:43 AM archivist: iirc "Identification and solution of machine tools chatter problems" includes slides, damping and flex
02:44 AM gloops: damping as in controlling inertia?
02:46 AM archivist: controlling vibration which gives your poor finish
02:47 AM gloops: like resonance in the machine structure maybe
02:49 AM archivist: yes
02:49 AM gloops: i had a brief look at that re design, building out of symmetry apparently helps, not so easy with a gantry design though
02:54 AM archivist: I have a bit of test gear that can be used for machine/building resonance, it produces a random signal to vibrate the structure and then add sensors to see what moves and at what frequency
02:54 AM gloops: the bodger has replaced leadscrew with threaded bar, chipped bed, chipped backgearing cogs - obviously lock spindle with a chisel on that, the grease nipples replacing the oil reservoirs on the spindle hint at knackered bearings - would give him 40 quid for spares
02:54 AM gloops: that would be useful archivist, i guess the only preventative measure that can be taken without having any kind of reading equipment is to add mass
02:55 AM archivist: in that book is an example of a grinder where they added mass and damper
02:56 AM gloops: what was the damper?
02:56 AM archivist: rubber disks/washers
02:56 AM gloops: under the feet?
02:57 AM gloops: or in the structure
02:57 AM archivist: between the mass and spindle arm
02:59 AM gloops: i bought some bolts from a bloke who sells reclaimed engineering stuff, they had threaded plastic grommets on them, when you bolt them up the grommet travels with the nut and presses into the hole, also binds on the nut locking it, i wondered if they were to stop rattling or just a nut locking thing
02:59 AM archivist: was on this style https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Superior-Surface-Grinder/173001744883
03:00 AM gloops: have you seen that £20 grinder?
03:00 AM archivist: the head nods at resonance
03:01 AM archivist: hmm cheshire
03:01 AM archivist: have you bid already :)
03:02 AM gloops: nah, that wont go for 20 quid, been 7 enquiries
03:05 AM archivist: there is a Herbert nearer me
03:06 AM gloops: had a look last night, a few knocking about, probably be selling more after xmas when theyre skint
03:11 AM archivist: trouble is a standard uk garage is tooooooo small for all a boys toys
03:12 AM MarcelineVQ: how big is that?
03:12 AM archivist: 20 by 10 ft
03:12 AM archivist: what we want is http://www.collection.archivist.info/Dads_Shed.JPG
03:14 AM gloops: 16 slots left to cut, and some drilling, losts of drilling
03:19 AM XXCoder: You are given a 440 page agreement. You are given 2 hours to agree or not agree with it. would you?
03:20 AM MarcelineVQ: that's not a lot of context, but I wouldn't feel especially willing to agree with only that info
03:22 AM XXCoder: yeah. I would have very hard time agreeing
03:22 AM XXCoder: even if say its to give me billion bucks
03:23 AM XXCoder: yet 51 people did
03:59 AM Contract_Pilot: I am so bored had plans to mod pathpilot then herd 2.0 was to be released plans haulted! not released!@
03:59 AM Contract_Pilot: Breaking the rules having a beer doc gonna hate me!
03:59 AM Contract_Pilot: But quit the smokes not once in 2 months!
04:05 AM Loetmichel: *hrrrpmph* forgot to thread the leatherman pouch and the cellphone pouch onto the belt this morning when putting on pants... 2 hours at the company, already tried 20 times to access the Wave that wasnt there. eiree how much you use a tool thats "always there".
04:25 AM gloops: Loetmichel - how does this sync belt on your 2 motors work?
04:34 AM Loetmichel: gloops: on the opposite side of the steppers on the ballscrew
04:36 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=7080
04:36 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=7086
04:37 AM Loetmichel: and in action: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7083
04:42 AM gloops: thats pretty ingenious!
04:42 AM gloops: doesnt cause any problems?
04:59 AM Loetmichel: nope
04:59 AM Loetmichel: the man who bought that model plane company even had run the entire router on ONE y stepper for a while
05:00 AM Loetmichel: (one stepper driver died and he refused to buy a new one)
05:00 AM Loetmichel: fast forwad half a year and the sync belt broke, causing cathastrophic failure of the gantry :-(
05:08 AM jthornton: morning
05:10 AM Loetmichel: <- is already at the company for 3 hours
05:11 AM Loetmichel: you are late, jthornton ;)
05:11 AM Loetmichel: "moin moin" nontheless
05:11 AM jthornton: it's Saturday
05:17 AM Loetmichel: so?
05:17 AM Loetmichel: missed a deadline..
05:20 AM archivist: the southbend is repaired and cutting again :)
05:20 AM jthornton: nice
05:21 AM jthornton: Loetmichel: I don't have deadlines anymore :)
05:49 AM jthornton: archivist: got some photos of the southbend?
05:49 AM archivist: most complete view http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_06_15_Adcock_Shipley/IMG_1251.JPG
05:50 AM archivist: never finished the paint job
05:51 AM archivist: other detail and abuse http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=southbend
05:52 AM archivist: sawing the feet of a chair spider has to be counted as abuse :)
05:55 AM jthornton: how do you splice the flat belt?
05:56 AM archivist: http://www.lathes.co.uk/page4.html
05:56 AM archivist: the alligator clips hammered onto belt ends
05:57 AM jthornton: yea that's what we had on some old surface grinders I used to run... click click click lol
05:57 AM archivist: I got some of this https://store.lathes.co.uk/belts/super-tensile-flat-belting
05:58 AM archivist: old lathes make enough noise that the click click is not so bad
06:00 AM archivist: I was thinking that scarf and glue might not like the cold in the garage
06:05 AM jthornton: use the right glue and it will hold
06:08 AM jthornton: my brother used to skive conveyor belts... can't remember the glue he used something like sc 2000
06:08 AM jthornton: yea this stuff https://ua.all.biz/img/ua/catalog/2147436.jpeg
06:09 AM archivist: turns out someone I know has piles of leather glue as well, found that out later
06:10 AM archivist: but in 20+ years of having the lathe it is first time I have replaced the belt
06:32 AM gloops: bike spokes make good pins
06:36 AM gloops: half 12! set out to do some work, decided to get lathe to bits lol
06:37 AM gloops: annoying set of internal jib screws that come loose occassionally on cross slide
08:54 AM IchGucksLive: hi
09:07 AM gloops: afternoon
09:07 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
09:36 AM rene-dev: dgarr you had a patch for the mode issue? the link is not working...
09:37 AM dgarr: branch dgarr/285,361 for testing
09:38 AM rene-dev: does that fix it?
09:39 AM rene-dev: does it behave like 2.7?
09:39 AM dgarr: needs testers
09:40 AM rene-dev: ok, I will test it...
09:41 AM rene-dev: I think the behaviour from 2.7 is correct
09:41 AM rene-dev: thats how other GUIs handle it, mdi should be disabled when you want to jog
09:47 AM hazzy: dgarr: I am getting ready to test dgarr/285,361
09:48 AM rene-dev: dgarr it did fix the issue, but the behavior is not the same as in 2.7
09:48 AM rene-dev: if I click mdi, it does not change the mode to mdi
09:48 AM rene-dev: if I command mdi form python, axis does not change the tab
09:49 AM hazzy: I think that is OK rene-dev
09:49 AM dgarr: i think it is ok too, it allows external guis and wheel jogging to work if mdi tab is selected
09:49 AM hazzy: Axis will switch to MDI mode when actually issuing the MDI command from the MDI tab
09:49 AM rene-dev: hmm
09:50 AM rene-dev: it does seem to work
09:51 AM rene-dev: ok, I think it should be merged
09:51 AM dgarr: its complicated when there are ancillary guis -- its been more than a year for #361, #285 wasnt clear to me until now
09:52 AM rene-dev: which guis are you talking about?
09:52 AM rene-dev: gmoccapy behaves like 2.7
09:52 AM dgarr: halui, wheel jogging,tcl guis using emc_* interface, etc
09:52 AM rene-dev: but I dont know how it handles wheel jogging
09:52 AM rene-dev: :D
09:53 AM rene-dev: many of the very old ones have been removed already
09:53 AM dgarr: halui is the main ancillary gui that is used cooperatively with a primary gui
09:53 AM rene-dev: norbert doesnt like halui
09:54 AM rene-dev: because then he has to check for stuff that keeps changing
09:54 AM rene-dev: dgarr if you add a # in front of the numbers github will reference the commit to the issues
10:06 AM IchGucksLive: why not muxxing the jog to the wheel
10:06 AM IchGucksLive: so you got all increments
10:07 AM IchGucksLive: and the wheel with 2 buttons got 2 mux modes
10:07 AM IchGucksLive: so + - moves on F... as wheel moves on Jog
10:08 AM IchGucksLive: behavier pressing plus mashine moves on 50mm/min / 200 / 500/ 1000 depend on mux out
10:09 AM IchGucksLive: moving wheel it jogs on 0.01 / 0,05 / 0,1 / 0,5
10:09 AM IchGucksLive: like i do on the hb04
10:09 AM IchGucksLive: for plasma and wood it is a real good
10:10 AM IchGucksLive: off till later
11:19 AM stjohn: hi guys, any updates on this mode issue?
11:20 AM JT-Shop: read the log
11:22 AM stjohn: i tried '[PATCH] v2 test fix for 361' and it didnt work for me..
11:29 AM IchGucksLive: hi
11:29 AM IchGucksLive: JT-Shop: is the issue soming i need to take care as axis only user
11:38 AM stjohn: JT-Shop, was that log message for me?
11:38 AM JT-Shop: not sure just noticed the conversation
11:39 AM JT-Shop: stjohn: yes
11:39 AM stjohn: JT-Shop, I already read them, was just wondering if any updates..
11:39 AM stjohn: JT-Shop, but cheers...
11:40 AM JT-Shop: IchGucksLive: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/361
11:40 AM JT-Shop: and https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/285
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: JT-Shop: thanks this also the issue as the probe screen fails on 2.8
11:57 AM XXCoder: JT-Shop: I really want to bring new alarm clock for deaf into market
11:57 AM XXCoder: sonic alert is decades old and still very expensive for alarm clock
12:00 PM malcom2073: XXCoder: how would that work? Does it smack you?
12:00 PM XXCoder: malcom2073: nah it has 2 ways
12:01 PM XXCoder: vibrate alarm jack and regular 120v plug for whatever
12:01 PM XXCoder: I use plug to power 2 lights
12:01 PM malcom2073: Oh cool
12:02 PM malcom2073: Could you use a normal 110v wall timer for that?
12:02 PM malcom2073: Find some vibration device that ties into a 110 jack
12:02 PM XXCoder: lol have you seen it last past a year?
12:02 PM malcom2073: I know a coupld uh, "novelty" stores that sell them :P
12:02 PM XXCoder: my alarm clock is nearing 30 years old
12:02 PM malcom2073: My dehumidifier has one that is going on three years old now
12:02 PM XXCoder: er 20
12:03 PM malcom2073: It turns a tiny pump on twice a day for a minute to empty it out
12:03 PM malcom2073: Or!
12:03 PM malcom2073: http://sonoff.itead.cc/en/
12:03 PM malcom2073: You can set things to turn on/off at certain times
12:03 PM malcom2073: Through a phone app
12:03 PM malcom2073: I've been meaning to pick up some of these for home automation, they're cheap
12:04 PM XXCoder: wonder if can set to flash
12:04 PM malcom2073: I'll bet you can find a light that flashes when power is applied if not
12:04 PM HighInBC: they can be reprogrammed with a bit of talent
12:05 PM HighInBC: run you own firmware
12:05 PM malcom2073: Yeah, they've got some open source firmware that you can load on them
12:05 PM HighInBC: they are just an ESP8266 chip internally so lots of support
12:06 PM jym: XXCoder: Just wire the outlet to your metalic bed sheets, you'll wake up =)
12:06 PM XXCoder: :P
12:07 PM jym: XXCoder: You looking for a ESP module for lighting?
12:07 PM XXCoder: dunno
12:07 PM malcom2073: haha
12:10 PM jym: XXCoder: Has ESP8266 in it... https://www.aliexpress.com/item/RGBWW-LED-Strip-Light-WiFi-Controller-Dimmer-ESP8266-Android-WLAN-Control-1-Port-Control-200-Lights/32644775648.html
12:11 PM jym: XXCoder: https://eryk.io/2015/10/esp8266-based-wifi-rgb-controller-h801/
12:12 PM malcom2073: I'd be wary of random aliepress devices that plug into the wall
12:17 PM roycroft: s/that plug into the wall//
12:18 PM malcom2073: I've had good luck with some stuff from there, it's like harbor freight: Anything you buy you should consider a "kit"
12:18 PM roycroft: i recently placed my first order from aliexpress
12:19 PM roycroft: the order processing did not start out well
12:19 PM roycroft: i'll see how it goes if/when the product is finally delivered
12:19 PM malcom2073: The other thing you have to learn to do is avoid the scammers, but their escrow system is pretty good protection against that
12:20 PM roycroft: i used paypal
12:20 PM roycroft: so i have that protection as well
12:21 PM malcom2073: bonus
12:21 PM roycroft: and on top of that, i used a credit card for the paypal payment
12:21 PM roycroft: so i have that protection also
12:21 PM XXCoder: roycroft: if they "oops overpriced the shipping please disute so will refund dollar or 2" don't.
12:22 PM XXCoder: thats one of very few ways to scam with eschow system
12:22 PM XXCoder: one tried that on me. didn't work lol
12:22 PM roycroft: my ordering issue is that, as i said, this is the first time i've ordered from them
12:22 PM MarcelineVQ: I've yet to have a real issue with ali aside from some shit takes forever, but plenty doesn't
12:23 PM roycroft: when i went to do so, this $4 off coupon for new users kept floating around the screen
12:23 PM roycroft: so i finally clicked on it and applied the coupon
12:23 PM roycroft: the order appeared to go through just fine
12:23 PM roycroft: payment was collected
12:23 PM roycroft: and the order displayed as processing
12:23 PM roycroft: a few days later i was abruptly refunded the entire amount without explanation
12:24 PM roycroft: i logged in and had a message saying that i used an "ineligible" coupon
12:24 PM roycroft: i really didn't care
12:24 PM MarcelineVQ: chinsey
12:24 PM roycroft: i was annoyed that the order was delayed
12:24 PM roycroft: but i attempted to reorder
12:24 PM roycroft: however, the coupon was "stuck" in my shopping card
12:24 PM roycroft: cart
12:24 PM roycroft: and i could not unapply it
12:24 PM XXCoder: use it at different person store?
12:25 PM roycroft: i finally sent a message to their customer service, and they removed it
12:25 PM roycroft: it was annoying that i could not remove it
12:25 PM roycroft: but more than that, the tone of their message made me feel like i was a criminal trying to scam them
12:26 PM roycroft: which i don't get
12:26 PM gloops: lol
12:26 PM roycroft: i've never ordered anything from them before
12:26 PM roycroft: they dangled a "new user" coupon in front of me
12:26 PM XXCoder: weird allright
12:26 PM roycroft: i had no reason to believe that i should not use it
12:26 PM XXCoder: my account predated that so i dont see that lol
12:26 PM roycroft: and i still don't understand why i am "ineligible" to use it
12:26 PM gloops: minimum order?
12:27 PM roycroft: it said nothing about that
12:27 PM gloops: $4 off if you spend $750
12:27 PM roycroft: and if that ere the case, one would think that when i applied the coupon code to the order it would kick it out right away
12:27 PM roycroft: you know - like every other vendor in the universe with an online store
12:28 PM roycroft: i definitely spent more than $4 worth of my time sorting it ou
12:28 PM roycroft: t
12:28 PM gloops: probably just a leader thing
12:28 PM roycroft: heck, i've spent about $4 worth of my time just telling the story right now :)
12:28 PM gloops: click bait
12:28 PM roycroft: my biggest annoyance is that it cost me 5 days
12:28 PM XXCoder: you can get $4 with this weird trick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:29 PM malcom2073: Doctors hate this $4 trick!
12:29 PM roycroft: and the product is on a slow boat from china, so it will be weeks before i get it anyway
12:29 PM roycroft: i first ordered it on 21 november, and it was accepted by china post on 30 november
12:29 PM roycroft: which means it might not even be on the boat yet
12:30 PM roycroft: so i'm looking for a washable foam filter
12:30 PM gloops: well, its a bad time of year for shipping id say
12:30 PM roycroft: the kind that is used in computer servers - housed in an aluminium frame
12:30 PM roycroft: i'm having trouble finding the things
12:30 PM roycroft: does anyone have a good source for that stuff?
12:31 PM gloops: how about a pond filter
12:31 PM roycroft: it needs to be fairly small, but dimensions are not critical
12:31 PM malcom2073: the material? or do you need it in a filter housing?
12:31 PM gloops: fish tank filter with the nylon wool
12:31 PM roycroft: i'm planning on designing the filter housing around the filter
12:31 PM gloops: disposable
12:31 PM roycroft: washable foam would be preferred
12:32 PM roycroft: i'm building a router table, and there will be a vfd inside it to control the spindle
12:32 PM roycroft: since it's a dusty environment, and since the vfd will be enclosed, i'm putting it in a little chamber and will blow air over it
12:32 PM roycroft: i want to filter sawdust out of the air intake
12:32 PM gloops: oh an air filter
12:33 PM roycroft: yes
12:33 PM roycroft: i have an 80mmx80mmx38mm fan arriving today for it
12:33 PM XXCoder: roycroft: I would pre-filter it then regular filter
12:33 PM XXCoder: that way regular filter lasts much longer
12:33 PM gloops: dysons have pretty good filters
12:33 PM roycroft: which runs on 240vac, so i can use the mains going to the vft to operate it
12:34 PM gloops: funny how we now call vacuum cleaners here - dysons, and not hoovers
12:34 PM roycroft: i'm going to install the fan on the outlet side, and won't need a filter for that side, of course
12:34 PM roycroft: so the filter dimensions are not critical
12:35 PM roycroft: i want it to be significantly larger than the outlet, so i dn't impede air flow when the filter starts collecting dust
12:35 PM roycroft: and yes, a vacuum cleaner filter might be fine
12:35 PM roycroft: a rack mount computer inlet filter would be ideal though
12:37 PM XXCoder: roycroft: lemme find that thing a sec
12:37 PM roycroft: i'm almost done with the design for this router stand
12:37 PM roycroft: the vfd chamber is one of the last bits to figure out
12:38 PM roycroft: it's frustrating that i know exactly what i want, and know that it exists, but i can't find it
12:38 PM XXCoder: roycroft: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1447214
12:39 PM MarcelineVQ: it's even more frustrating when it does exist but costs some amount that makes you wonder who's buying it
12:39 PM MarcelineVQ: *you can find it
12:39 PM roycroft: that's kind of cool, xxcoder, but it's not at all what i need
12:39 PM roycroft: i'm not going to be sucking router chips over the thing
12:39 PM XXCoder: I know, though can be great addition for router vac system
12:39 PM roycroft: the vfd will be in its own isolated chamber
12:40 PM roycroft: so i'm just filtering ambient dust
12:40 PM roycroft: i'm actually going to install a new dust collector
12:40 PM XXCoder: basically it helps it extract dust so your vacuum system dont get as much chips. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEvztl8UPPk
12:40 PM roycroft: i have a 1hp portable one right now
12:40 PM roycroft: and i roll it around the shop and hook it up to each machien as needed
12:41 PM roycroft: i'm going to replace it with a 2hp one that will be stationary, and live outside the shop in a lean-to shed
12:41 PM roycroft: and i'm going to build a cyclone chip collector for it
12:41 PM MarcelineVQ: marius has an interesting vid series on making dust collection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN1QW_BTArQ&list=PLBfiYOoCeIJv1FjCDit8dGyfAbpe_lRRG
12:41 PM roycroft: i'm looking at this design:
12:41 PM roycroft: http://www.madebymikal.com/building-a-thien-baffle/
12:41 PM XXCoder: MarcelineVQ: dammit its handheld camera
12:41 PM MarcelineVQ: prob wanna skip ahead the first vid
12:42 PM MarcelineVQ: *skip the first vid
12:42 PM roycroft: i had this all sorted out
12:42 PM roycroft: ready to get the new dust collector and install it
12:42 PM roycroft: then i realised that it moves 1550cfm
12:42 PM MarcelineVQ: this isn't actually the vids I was thinking of, ehe, guess it's a popular subject
12:43 PM roycroft: and if i suck all that air outside the shop, i have to replace it with 1550cfm of fresh air
12:43 PM roycroft: which is fine most of the year
12:43 PM XXCoder: roycroft: maybe build a heat exchanger system
12:43 PM roycroft: but in the winter that would make for a very cold shop
12:43 PM XXCoder: it uses cheap political signs 2 fans to get fresh air outside warmed with warm air inside
12:43 PM roycroft: but i think i can seal up the lean-to shed well enough that i can just open the shed door to the shop and recirculate
12:44 PM roycroft: it would mean more heated space, but i can probably live with that
12:44 PM roycroft: getting the dust collector outside the shop would be a big win
12:44 PM XXCoder: http://www.collectionservice.info/article/740658258/diy-heat-recovery-ventilation-heat-exchanger-for-our-yurt-how-to-resolve-damp-and-mould-in-a-yurt-/
12:44 PM XXCoder: check that thing out
12:45 PM XXCoder: this is cheap advert and politic stuff sign material https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2jVwwpB9cgo/VMn02E6utLI/AAAAAAAAFCk/MKiqrjleqIw/s1600/2014-11-24%2B11.44.44.jpg
12:45 PM roycroft: 404 on that yurt article
12:45 PM MarcelineVQ: corrugated plastic
12:45 PM XXCoder: weird because I can see it fine
12:45 PM roycroft: but i think i can recirculate
12:45 PM XXCoder: http://www.collectionservice.info/article/740658258/diy-heat-recovery-ventilation-heat-exchanger-for-our-yurt-how-to-resolve-damp-and-mould-in-a-yurt-/
12:45 PM XXCoder: works?
12:46 PM roycroft: hmm, works now
12:47 PM XXCoder: well you could use post-filtered air to warm inlet air
12:47 PM roycroft: but none of that would work
12:47 PM roycroft: there's no reasonable way to capture the filtered air
12:48 PM XXCoder: enclose it, have a duct out of it
12:48 PM roycroft: woodworking dust collectors have a blower that sucks dusty air in, and two big bags mounted vertically on the outlet side
12:48 PM roycroft: the lower bag collects big stuff
12:48 PM XXCoder: since its pushing air in constantly it would pressurize the enclosure and duct would constantly blow out
12:48 PM roycroft: the upper bag is the actual filter bag, and collects the small stuff
12:48 PM XXCoder: yeah I know of that system
12:48 PM roycroft: it's not feasible for me to enclose the whole thing, unfortunately
12:49 PM roycroft: i can barely fit the dust collector in the space where it would go
12:49 PM XXCoder: yeah bit diffult since you gonna clean filter sometimes also
12:49 PM XXCoder: pre-filtered air is probably too dirty to use this system to extract heat out of it
12:50 PM roycroft: that heat exchanger is a neat idea though
12:50 PM roycroft: i'm concerned that the corrugated plastic isn't very thermally conductive, so efficiency would be pretty low
12:50 PM XXCoder: funny thing is since its so thin it works anyway
12:50 PM roycroft: it's basically the same thing as the plate filter i use for cooling beer wort
12:50 PM XXCoder: im considering building it for shop, to keep it dry
12:51 PM gloops: these are good if you can get waste oil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCKMJUOSg18
12:52 PM roycroft: http://www.dudadiesel.com/choose_item.php?id=HX2340
12:52 PM roycroft: that's what i use as my wort chiller on my brew system
12:52 PM IchGucksLive: im off gn8
12:52 PM XXCoder: gloops: heat exchanger isnt heating :)
12:52 PM gloops: my neighbour had a really old one same kind of thing, it dripped onto a plate and flared up - flame dropped then another flash, fascinating
12:54 PM malcom2073: Man, that thing is pouring oil in there pretty quick
12:54 PM malcom2073: I guess I never thought aobut how quick oil burns in heaters heh
12:55 PM malcom2073: I have a gas heater, so I don't see the fuel
12:56 PM gloops: hes got that on high, can run a lot lot lower, then just need to save the heat - like a steel casing or funnel before it goes out the chimney
12:56 PM malcom2073: I should do that someday, bunch of shops around here that would give away oil for free
12:57 PM gloops: once you get the metal box hot its surprising how it warms a place up
12:57 PM XXCoder: roycroft: hmm maybe pre-filter larger poarticles before heat exchanger, since dust probably would pass it just fine to dust collector heh
12:59 PM roycroft: hmm, i found an outfit who won't quote prices online (i hate those sites and avoid them), but do allow for online design and a free prototype
01:00 PM roycroft: perhaps i'll express my disdain for refusal to quote online by having them make me a free prototype and then ignoring them :)
01:00 PM XXCoder: I call them priceless stuff websites. I assume I cannot afford it so I go elsewhere
01:01 PM roycroft: their prices are often good
01:01 PM roycroft: until one figures in the price of giving them information for spamming purposes
01:01 PM roycroft: at which point they become very expensive
01:04 PM roycroft: i should go up into my attic
01:04 PM roycroft: i think i have some old 4u computer chassis there - if so i might find a useful filter on one of them
01:06 PM XXCoder: cool
01:08 PM roycroft: hmm, range hood filters might work
01:09 PM roycroft: as long as they're not charcoal
01:09 PM XXCoder: car filter
01:09 PM XXCoder: sorry lol
01:10 PM roycroft: yes, i thought about going to an auto parts store
01:10 PM XXCoder: if it could work, maybe check junkyard cars
01:10 PM XXCoder: they probably dont care if you grab a filter
01:11 PM roycroft: i'd rather get a new one
01:11 PM roycroft: they're not expensive
01:11 PM roycroft: i'm going to have ~$1500 into this router stand by the time it's done
01:11 PM roycroft: a $30 filter is no big deal
01:11 PM XXCoder: cool
01:12 PM roycroft: and i can probably find something suitable for <$10
01:12 PM roycroft: http://www.metalfiltersinc.com/metalfilters_008.htm
01:12 PM XXCoder: later off for nap. I normally wake up couple hours from now, and woke up 2 hours ago lol
01:12 PM roycroft: a little pricier than that, but i could get a really nice one custom made
01:12 PM XXCoder: very washable it seems to me
01:13 PM roycroft: and exactly the kind of thing i'm looking for
01:13 PM roycroft: i want it to be really low profile
01:13 PM XXCoder: nice. well later :)
01:13 PM XXCoder: wonder if its cuttable by yourself
01:13 PM XXCoder: and reframe
01:13 PM roycroft: those are all custom made
01:14 PM roycroft: so i would just order it with the dimensions i want
01:16 PM roycroft: home depot carry replacement range hood filters, and i have to go near there today
01:16 PM * roycroft now has a plan :)
01:16 PM XXCoder: hopefully it surives contact with enemy ;)
01:16 PM XXCoder: lol later (really going off now)
01:56 PM gregcnc_: anyone seen stock step drills in smaller number sizes? #2 in particular? https://www.michigandrill.com/i/parts/l_151.gif
02:01 PM roycroft: kreg jigs use drill bits like that, but i think the smallest they make is 5/16"
02:04 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.lawsonproducts.com/Step-Drills/Drill-Bits/Cutting-Tools-Abrasives/CT105075.lpc
02:05 PM gregcnc_: yeah the woodworking variety don't get that small
02:06 PM gregcnc_: I think that list is also Michigan Drill
02:07 PM gregcnc_: I'm tempted to try making one. it doesn't have to be long ~1/4"
02:09 PM CaptHindsight: https://wlfuller.com/html/hss_step_drills.html
02:14 PM gregcnc_: There's one. I'd looked for metric sizes before and pretty much gave up hope.
02:16 PM CaptHindsight: how many do you need?
02:16 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.hartlandtool.com/products/specials-hss-taper-shank-step-drills.php
02:17 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.hartlandtool.com/products/specials-step-drills.php
02:18 PM CaptHindsight: maybe they have something that will fit your app?
02:18 PM gregcnc_: I get the impression they are all custom
02:18 PM gregcnc_: one day when I'm making millions of parts
02:19 PM CaptHindsight: yeah but maybe they will already have something
02:19 PM CaptHindsight: they stock more than whats online
02:19 PM CaptHindsight: or drop by there on Monday
02:20 PM gregcnc_: hmm OK. probably worth a visit
02:20 PM CaptHindsight: I stopped in and got some end mills that weren't on the website
02:20 PM CaptHindsight: nice guy
02:22 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc_: the shop down the street from me has them make custom tools for nearly every run
02:22 PM gregcnc_: yeah custom tools can save a lot fo time
02:23 PM CaptHindsight: I think thats how they make their $
02:23 PM CaptHindsight: they make parts for Snap-On and some other local co's
02:24 PM CaptHindsight: with so many shops in the area I don't know how they stay busy
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: 3 shifts, 6 day/wk
02:25 PM gregcnc_: hartland or?
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: the shop near me
02:25 PM gregcnc_: oh
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: hartland delivers to them near daily
02:26 PM gregcnc_: if they have their act together and prices are good, Running a machine shop isn't easy
02:26 PM CaptHindsight: I wouldn't want to
02:27 PM CaptHindsight: same machines, same materials, same overhead costs, you have to get creative to make $ and stay busy
02:29 PM CaptHindsight: brb
02:29 PM gregcnc_: good people makes a huge difference. Scrap rates, bad processes...
02:39 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc_: did you need some in metric sizes?
02:39 PM JT-Shop: XXCoder: https://www.amazon.com/Philips-Wake-Up-Colored-Simulation-HF3520/dp/B0093162RM
02:40 PM JT-Shop: https://www.amazon.com/Philips-Wake-up-Simulation-HF3500-60/dp/B00F0W1RIW
02:40 PM CaptHindsight: JT-Shop: for you or the chickens?
02:40 PM JT-Shop: for XXCoder
02:40 PM gregcnc_: in the future, many available for ≥M3
02:41 PM CaptHindsight: I hardly see any sun this time of year
02:41 PM CaptHindsight: it's mostly overcast from Nov till March
02:41 PM gregcnc_: https://www.mcmaster.com/#counterbore-drills/=1aih1xt
02:42 PM JT-Shop: Yea my checks for the new business account showed up today... time to pay my favorite supplier
02:44 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/Holemaking/Counterbores-Porting-Tools/Solid-Pilot-Counterbores-Sets/Solid-Pilot-Counterbores?navid=12106214
02:45 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc_: what happens when you use the MSC link ^^ ?
02:46 PM gregcnc_: opens fine
02:46 PM CaptHindsight: I've wondered if the navid is location as well as tracking
02:47 PM CaptHindsight: some site don't cut and past well
02:47 PM gregcnc_: oh right and the links are borken if it's not you
02:51 PM gregcnc_: I should put the toolpost grinder back together, would be easy to cobble a drill that worked.
03:50 PM Elmoo40: gloops, dont go too thick for mounts that move. they add unnecessary directional load. inertia.
03:51 PM Elmoo40: make fixed mounts massive.
03:52 PM gloops: oh i dont know Elmoo
03:53 PM gloops: this machine cannot be found to be wanting
03:56 PM gloops: it is not in the british tradition to make thin machines
04:03 PM * JT-Shop wanders down to the chicken yard for some beer and crickets with the chickens
04:09 PM roycroft: i just dealt with the most irritating person at home depot
04:09 PM roycroft: she refused to tell me where the range hood filters are shoelved
04:09 PM roycroft: she insisted that i must give her the make and model of my range hood so she could look it up and ensure that i get the correct one
04:10 PM roycroft: i told her probably 20 times that i'm not installing the thing in a range hood, and i just want to see what they have in stock
04:10 PM gloops: yes unfortunately most shop staff are mindless automons
04:10 PM gloops: not like your old time shopkeeper
04:11 PM roycroft: she was trying to be "helpful" by ensuring that i do not buy something that i would later have to return
04:11 PM roycroft: in the end, she never did tell me where they are, and i could not find them, so i just left
04:12 PM roycroft: i ran out of ways to say "i will build my filter holder to fit the size of the filter that i get"
04:13 PM Contract_Pilot: Cannot wait my motors on their way to LA from China
04:13 PM Contract_Pilot: Maybe mid next week.
04:13 PM roycroft: then i'm afraid you'll have to wait :)
04:14 PM roycroft: it's the total chaos and insanity season for shippers
04:14 PM gregcnc_: I don't waste my time at the stores. HD for instance has inventory online and even tells you exactly which aisle and shelf
04:15 PM roycroft: i prefer dealing with people in person
04:16 PM roycroft: especially since service/retail jobs are the only jobs left in this country for anyone who is not a politician or other criminal
04:18 PM gloops: damn those liberals
04:21 PM roycroft: damn them all
04:22 PM Deejay: gn8
04:45 PM _Raazeer: hi all.
04:46 PM _Raazeer: what tools are there on linux to create g code for cnc machines?
04:48 PM Tom_L: it's a limited list
04:51 PM _Raazeer: as the list isn't of zero length...
04:51 PM Tom_L: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/31-cad-cam/1751-cad-cam-software-for-linux
04:52 PM _Raazeer: ah, so gcode generation is handled by cad/cam tools. Ok.
04:52 PM Tom_L: specifically the cam part
04:54 PM Tom_L: just depends what you plan to make
04:55 PM _Raazeer: the current plan is to laser printed circuit boards.
04:56 PM _Raazeer: with photopositive boards, a relatively weak laser in the violet range should be enough.
04:57 PM Tom_L: that process is probably the most costly for homebrew boards
04:57 PM Tom_L: you have to develope the board then you have to etch it
04:57 PM Tom_L: i've done laserjet transfers with good success
04:58 PM _Raazeer: I've had no luck with toner transfer at all.
04:58 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/etch7.jpg
04:59 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/etch8.jpg
04:59 PM _Raazeer: beautiful.
05:00 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/tiny/tinyboard2.jpg
05:00 PM _Raazeer: I'm alto planning to use a 3d printer to print plastic onto a blank board to etch it directly.
05:00 PM Tom_L: probably one of my favorite :)
05:00 PM Tom_L: sot-23 with 3 traces under it
05:03 PM Tom_L: you'll need really clean copper for it to stick well
05:05 PM thesaint4444: i sprayed some board with black paint and lasered it off. worked great but the vapour was bad.
05:06 PM Tom_L: nowdays if i need a board i send it off to china
05:06 PM Tom_L: i'm gettin lazy
05:06 PM thesaint4444: best idea but post is a lottery.
05:06 PM Tom_L: but it's just as cheap and you get a mask and the whole bit
05:07 PM XXCoder: _Raazeer: it sucks if you use linux computer, not that many optons out there for cam
05:08 PM _Raazeer: XXCoder, using windows sucks even more.
05:08 PM XXCoder: really? because it seems there is billion cams that work on windows only
05:12 PM _Raazeer: XXCoder, :P I don't know how much cam on Linux sucks, but I do know Windows sets a high sucking baseline.
05:43 PM Crom: ugh...
06:10 PM srk: _Raazeer: https://wiki.base48.cz/OpenCNCToolchain https://wiki.base48.cz/PCBMilling
06:41 PM MrHindsight is now known as CaptHindsight
07:39 PM Elmoo40: Tom_L, those boards were made with laserjet transfer?
07:41 PM Elmoo40: try the inkscape gcode generator if you are doing simple 2D
08:04 PM Elmoo40: anyone still using HeeksCNC?
08:05 PM roycroft: i played with heekscad a long long time ago
08:06 PM Contract_Pilot: Jtag
08:06 PM roycroft: but i stuck with autocad
08:06 PM Contract_Pilot: I used Eagle PCB for Years
08:07 PM Tom_L: Elmoo40, yes with eagle
08:08 PM Elmoo40: i never tried eagle
08:08 PM Elmoo40: i used Heeks until he did the paid-for 1.x
08:08 PM Tom_L: it's not as good as it used to be
08:08 PM Elmoo40: i think 0.22 was last release?
08:09 PM Contract_Pilot: Looks like auto cad bought eagle...
08:09 PM Contract_Pilot: Your version of EAGLE is not up-to-date.
08:09 PM Contract_Pilot: The new version 8.4.1 is available.
08:09 PM Contract_Pilot: See https://www.autodesk.com/products/eagle/overview
08:09 PM Tom_L: they did
08:10 PM Tom_L: it started going downhill before that though
08:10 PM Contract_Pilot: Well i am not going to update
08:10 PM Contract_Pilot: been a few years since i played.
08:10 PM Tom_L: it's been a while for me as well
08:11 PM Contract_Pilot: Version 6.5.0 for Windows
08:16 PM andypugh: Elmoo40: I think that all of Heeks moved in to FreeCAD, and FreeCad is near;y there
08:16 PM XXCoder: I got sick of heeks after short use
08:16 PM XXCoder: it kept crashing
08:16 PM andypugh: For PCB KiCAD seems to be 100% “there”
08:17 PM Elmoo40: andypugh, really? i'll check freecad out. what about the heeksCNC portion? i do recall it working very well.
08:17 PM Elmoo40: qCAD seems to be alive.
08:17 PM Elmoo40: only 2D, though
08:18 PM andypugh: I don’t know. I have to confess I have an AutoCAD license as a side-effect of my job and have not explored in great depth
08:20 PM Elmoo40: never did like autocad.
08:20 PM Elmoo40: solidworks for me.
08:21 PM andypugh: Fusion 360 includes HSMworks for free. I just can’t ignore that in favour of OS
08:22 PM Elmoo40: hsmworks is nice powerful software!
08:22 PM andypugh: Yes, exactly
08:22 PM gregcnc_: some of hsmworks or all of it now?
08:23 PM andypugh: I am waiting for Autodesk to turn (more) evil, bit at the moment the Fusion 360 toolpaths are definitely the best you will gert for free
08:25 PM rene-dev: andypugh remember the issue we had with your lathe macros in stuttgart?
08:26 PM andypugh: Vaguely….
08:26 PM rene-dev: I think that was related to the mode switch bug...
08:26 PM andypugh: Seems likely, yes
08:26 PM rene-dev: did you ever use that with master?
08:27 PM andypugh: Yes, but only with Touchy
08:27 PM rene-dev: ah, ok
08:27 PM andypugh: (and possibly an old and custom Touchy)
08:27 PM rene-dev: then that is probably also not affected
08:28 PM rene-dev: I still had no time to look into the params stuff :/
08:29 PM andypugh: The correct behaviour is ptobably for the GUI to change mode if, and only if, the GUI interaction is in the window where that matters. Not trivial.
08:29 PM rene-dev: its more complicated
08:29 PM andypugh: Params is broken, I am glad I have not been wasting your time.
08:30 PM rene-dev: because you can use external python stuff to do that
08:30 PM rene-dev: ok, whats going on?
08:31 PM rene-dev: I still think the 2.7 behavior is more correct, but im ok with what the patch does.
08:31 PM andypugh: I am wprking on making it work with Mesa first (complication, many Mesa firmwares have the IO direction reversed for params. Nobody noticed.
08:32 PM rene-dev: oh wow :D
08:32 PM rene-dev: yet another bug that came up just because Im messinbg with sserial :D
08:34 PM andypugh: I had to ask PCW which direction actually was which. The only card that _really_ needs param settng (via sserial) is the 8i20 and those globals are defined in the driver because 8i20 is pre-discovery.
08:35 PM Elmoo40: i ran out of staples... someone have any for I can use? Thanks. Much appreciated. ;-)
08:35 PM andypugh: Anyway, falling asleep. Goodnight
08:36 PM hazzy: rene-dev: I was trying to help stjohn build dgarr's branch with the fix for #361, but when he tries to run it he gets this error: http://dpaste.com/1Q9S349
08:36 PM hazzy: do you have to do anything special for STMBL?
08:37 PM hazzy: I just had him pull a fresh clone and build a RIP
08:37 PM hazzy: So as not to mess with what you set up for him
08:37 PM rene-dev: no, but most likeley something happend with the sserial slave state machine in the stmbl, so restarting the 24v helps
08:38 PM hazzy: ah, ok
08:38 PM rene-dev: stmbl works only with master
08:39 PM hazzy: Yes, this was master but with dgarrs fix for #361
08:39 PM rene-dev: yes, that should work
08:40 PM rene-dev: there is a very rare case where the sserial slave stops working when you reconnect many times
08:41 PM rene-dev: did you test probescreen with that fix? I only tested your script, and that worked fine
08:41 PM hazzy: I did test probe screen (with a simulated probe) and all worked as expected
08:42 PM rene-dev: ah, great
08:42 PM rene-dev: how did you simulate the probe? just a comp on some axis?
08:43 PM hazzy: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/tools.html#_simulate_probe :D
08:43 PM rene-dev: ah
08:43 PM rene-dev: there is something else I noticed
08:43 PM rene-dev: master doesnt complain when the probe is tripped during a non probe move
08:44 PM rene-dev: 2.7 stops jogging when you hit the probe
08:44 PM hazzy: Oh, that is not good
08:45 PM hazzy: It should stop whenever the probe is tripped no mater what
08:45 PM rene-dev: Im not sure, but I think it also stopped when it tripped during _any_ non-probe move
08:45 PM rene-dev: yes
08:54 PM rene-dev: I just opened an issue about that...
08:56 PM rene-dev: intetesting
08:56 PM rene-dev: it does stop when the machine is not homed
08:59 PM rene-dev: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/src/emc/motion/control.c#L555-L556
08:59 PM rene-dev: :D
08:59 PM malcom2073: heh, quite so
09:00 PM malcom2073: Easy way to stop machine: Smack your probe sitting on the bench?
09:02 PM rene-dev: or just release the probe form the spindle... it will fall on the table, and trip. and then break.
09:03 PM chopper79: Hello all..... almost ready to finish this config, but getting an odd error when launching lcnc. hm2/hm2_7i92.0.0 remote error = (30) illigal Remote Mode and the same thing but - (8) Remote fault. I have never seen this error before so I am wondering if any of you could point me in the right direction? Could this be in regards to my sserial_port_0=300xxxxxx ?
09:03 PM chopper79: Would not think the sserial and this error are linked but mabe
09:04 PM chopper79: maybe
09:05 PM rene-dev: try sserial_port_0=300xxxxx
09:05 PM xunil: is the sserial_port_N= argument documented anywhere?
09:05 PM xunil: i also have a 7i92 i'll be hooking up soon.
09:06 PM Contract_Pilot: Hoping they release PathPilot 2.0 next week... not sure why they will not offer a download option but 20.00 for a flash drive is not to bad paid 30 for a CD small charge for copying hahaha
09:06 PM rene-dev: yes, in the manual of the mesa card that is connected
09:06 PM xunil: good to know
09:07 PM chopper79: rene_dev: no change. I used that setting from my other working 5i25+7i76 config so was hoping that it worked in this one still.
09:07 PM chopper79: Same as my 7i92+7i77 machine config also
09:08 PM rene-dev: do you need mode 3?
09:08 PM chopper79: yes for my mpg
09:08 PM rene-dev: xunil the number that is. the parameter is describe dhere: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/sserial.9.html#SYNOPSIS
09:08 PM rene-dev: ah
09:09 PM xunil: rene-dev, thank you!
09:09 PM rene-dev: what happens when you try 000xxxxx
09:09 PM chopper79: one sec
09:10 PM chopper79: No error so maybe I have to many arguments then
09:11 PM chopper79: ?
09:11 PM chopper79: Should not be the issue as I have the same ones in my other 7i92 setup
09:12 PM rene-dev: pastebin the output of linuxcnc logs
09:12 PM rene-dev: I think the 3 is in the wrong place
09:12 PM chopper79: sorry ... machine is not connected to internet so have to slide back oand forth between my laptop and the machine..... lame I know
09:13 PM rene-dev: so you cant watch youtube while the machine is running... lame indeed
09:13 PM chopper79: haha
09:13 PM chopper79: let me try something real quick
09:13 PM rene-dev: thats the point of having realtime in the first place
09:18 PM rene-dev: no need for the log... look at the number the 7i77 gets. thats the port and instance number. that tells you where the 3 goes.
09:22 PM chopper79: Ok... checked the 7i77 and the number is in the right place. Still get the error when using 3
09:34 PM chopper79: Noticed in mode 3 I lose a limit switch and the estop no longer works. go back to mode 0 and and all of them work again. Have to be missing something simple I am sure.
09:43 PM rene-dev: hmm, whats your complete hardware and software setup?
10:06 PM chopper79: 7i92+7i76 running master with preempt-rt, uspace on Mint
10:07 PM chopper79: Same as my matsuura retrofit using a 7i92+7i77
10:15 PM hazzy: rene-dev: Just looked at your link to control.c, it looks like it only aborts it the probe is tripped during a jog if in free mode (ree_tp.enable), seems like it should also abort in teleop
10:16 PM rene-dev: it should
10:16 PM hazzy: heck, it should abort in any mode
10:16 PM rene-dev: yes
10:16 PM rene-dev: well, not during a probe :D
10:16 PM rene-dev: and also only on edge
10:16 PM hazzy: well, yes, but that would be safe, but not very useful :D
10:17 PM hazzy: yes
10:18 PM rene-dev: but jogging uses free tp
10:18 PM rene-dev: aaah
10:18 PM rene-dev: its JA related
10:19 PM hazzy: yes, I think it is JA related
10:19 PM rene-dev: I think in JA you are in teleop after homing in trivkins
10:19 PM hazzy: that is right
10:21 PM rene-dev: so should just the if go away, or is there any need for checking teleop?
10:21 PM rene-dev: I dont see the need
10:26 PM pcw_home: the 7I76 doesn't have mode 3
10:26 PM hazzy: I don't think it is needed, but I also don't quite understand what is going on there
10:28 PM chopper79: pcw_home: That would explain it then. What mode do I need to be in on the 7i76 to have mpg use?
10:28 PM rene-dev: 2
10:29 PM rene-dev: ah, you confused me, because you kept saying 7i77
10:29 PM rene-dev: so I opened the 7i77 manual
10:30 PM evilroot: Anybody tried EMC 2 Arduino?
10:32 PM rene-dev: hmm, I wonder about the joint->free_tp.enable = 0;
10:32 PM rene-dev: hazzy do I need to disable stuff in the other cases?
10:32 PM chopper791: sorry internet connection dropped
10:33 PM chopper791: pcw_home: what mode is used for mpg on the 7i76?
10:34 PM rene-dev: chopper791 2
10:34 PM hazzy: rene-dev: I am not sure, this is a bit over my head :)
10:34 PM chopper791: thank you I will give it a go
10:34 PM rene-dev: in any case, how do I stop the motion? :O
10:35 PM hazzy: I have no clue!
10:35 PM hazzy: It looks like they are just un-enabeling
10:36 PM rene-dev: I will just do a SET_MOTION_ERROR_FLAG(1);
10:36 PM rene-dev: its used a lot, so it seems to be the right thing to do
10:37 PM rene-dev: the un enabling is the free tp
10:37 PM rene-dev: thats to stop the jog
10:48 PM hazzy: This is what I did: http://dpaste.com/22968S6
10:49 PM hazzy: I am sure it is wrong, but it works
10:49 PM hazzy: for a 1 to 1 join:axis relation ....
10:49 PM hazzy: I like you idea better, MUCH better
10:53 PM hazzy: I need to learn C ....
10:55 PM rene-dev: but my code doesnt work
10:56 PM rene-dev: I added an else: else if(joint->kb_jjog_active || joint->wheel_jjog_active){// abort any other move
10:56 PM rene-dev: but that doesnt work
10:57 PM rene-dev: your code always aborts... click it during no move at all
11:01 PM rene-dev: ah, it doesnt work because the axis is jogged, not the joint
11:01 PM hazzy: I think your code does not works because when jogging in teleop it is using axes so `joint->kb_jjog_active` will be false
11:01 PM hazzy: lol
11:01 PM hazzy: I was just typing that :)
11:02 PM rene-dev: is there a axis jog active?
11:02 PM hazzy: not sure
11:03 PM hazzy: yes, there is
11:03 PM rene-dev: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/e8a87c4bdcdfa8600160641f57d104b7918a702e/src/emc/motion/motion.h#L613
11:03 PM rene-dev: possibly we are doing the same thing
11:05 PM rene-dev: there might be more bugs like this...
11:05 PM hazzy: I am sure there are, JA introduced so many changes that have not been fully tested yet
11:10 PM rene-dev: yes, but many people are running it on many machines, so hopefully we are getting somewhere
11:11 PM hazzy: So now I have this: http://dpaste.com/1EF304X
11:11 PM hazzy: hopefuly, the problem is it is sometimes hard to know if something it a bug or not
11:12 PM hazzy: For example, i would not have noticed this bug, but you did since you knew haw 2.7 worked
11:12 PM hazzy: * how
11:13 PM rene-dev: that wont work, you need another loop for the axis
11:13 PM rene-dev: also, you also need the joint check
11:14 PM hazzy: Oh, sorry, I just added that at the end of the for loop
11:14 PM rene-dev: and in c you dont need the ==1 to check that
11:14 PM rene-dev: yeah, but whats I
11:14 PM rene-dev: i
11:14 PM hazzy: Oh, thanks, this it my first time playing with C
11:15 PM hazzy: It is a little different :)
11:15 PM rene-dev: the if checks for not 0
11:16 PM rene-dev: I think you need a loop like for (axis_num = 0; axis_num < EMCMOT_MAX_AXIS; axis_num++) {
11:17 PM hazzy: Yes, you are correct, what I am doing only works it the joint num corresponds to the axis num
11:17 PM hazzy: Ok, I will try writing my first loop in C ...
11:17 PM rene-dev: yes, and it doesnt always, like in a gantry with xyyz
11:33 PM hazzy: Hmm, I don't see how to determine if the axis is active or not, but I guess it may not be needed
11:33 PM chopper79: never had dither on the display with a step and direction setup. No encoder feedback either, nubers just bounce back and forth and makes my motor vibrate
11:35 PM chopper79: P value was way up there in value.... interesting.
11:35 PM hazzy: chopper79: that seems very odd, and since the DROs are changing it can't be do to noise
11:35 PM hazzy: Oh, but the steppers use the PID, I guess it is used internally?
11:36 PM hazzy: sorry, should be since steppers DON'T use a PID ...
11:37 PM chopper79: Yeah I just thought of it after I typed that and I reduce the P value to 500 instead of the 1000 it was at and dro stopped moving and z axis fly like a dream now
11:38 PM hazzy: great, if only everything were that easy to fix
11:38 PM chopper79: I agree...haa
11:39 PM rene-dev: there should be no need to change any values with the stepgens
11:39 PM rene-dev: try running them in position mode
11:39 PM rene-dev: hazzy dngarrett already fixed it, in yet another way
11:40 PM justan0theruser is now known as justanotheruser
11:41 PM hazzy: rene-dev: great! I finished my first loop in C: http://dpaste.com/0RRQTNR
11:41 PM hazzy: it works!
11:41 PM hazzy: lol
11:41 PM rene-dev: cool, now there are 3 solutions
11:42 PM rene-dev: if only every but got that attention :D
11:42 PM rene-dev: bug
11:42 PM hazzy: haha
11:42 PM hazzy: What was dgarr's solution?
11:42 PM rene-dev: hazzy steppers do use a pid. its in the hostmot driver. its only a p ff controller, and takes care of the clock drift
11:43 PM rene-dev: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/commit/e10c52ea6490796100c688b6d715be1b0bbecae1
11:43 PM chopper79: haha...400ipm @ 200in/s acceleration on my z axis. Kinda freaky butt pucker fast
11:44 PM rene-dev: but there is absoluteley no need of tuning it...