#linuxcnc Logs
Nov 28 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:07 AM MrHindsight: https://wyss.harvard.edu/artificial-muscles-give-soft-robots-superpowers/
12:24 AM roycroft: hmm
12:24 AM roycroft: i wonder if i should get into the artificial steroid business
02:00 AM Deejay: moin
04:50 AM jthornton: morning
04:52 AM XXCoder: hey
04:59 AM XXCoder: lol
04:59 AM XXCoder: "on this day" 2014 was really funny
04:59 AM XXCoder: wel funny now
05:00 AM XXCoder: my van broke down on way home from thankgiving at other house
05:00 AM XXCoder: so I waited for tow, my van got towed with me in it to home, then he dropped me off and went off to shop.
05:01 AM XXCoder: the danged tow truck got in accient with my van on it
05:01 AM XXCoder: so they bought it all way to their towing center, transferred my van to other one, then finally bought it to shop
05:01 AM jthornton: dang
05:01 AM XXCoder: only seems accient did damage my van, front jourst was messed up
05:02 AM XXCoder: was bit of fight so they paid for repair, and it was gas pump that died causing this whole thing
05:08 AM Loetmichel: the main one or the one in the tank?
05:08 AM XXCoder: in tank
05:08 AM XXCoder: it got fixed, I drove it for 2 more years before it died for good
05:31 AM Loetmichel: "died for good"? thats possible?
05:31 AM Loetmichel: seeing how some ModelT get restored that are nothing more than a pile of rust coloured dirt on the ground...
05:31 AM XXCoder: lol well I have set limit of repair cost
05:32 AM XXCoder: it become not worth it
05:32 AM Loetmichel: ok, that i can understand
05:33 AM malcom2073: heh, on the day when repairs cost more than another vehicle :P
05:33 AM XXCoder: yeah
05:33 AM Loetmichel: ... considering that i pumped in excess of 4000 eur for an engine rebuilt in an Opel omega that was worth less than 2500 at that time i dont adhere to that notion, but i can understand it ;)
05:34 AM XXCoder: been driving ford focus 2012 since
05:34 AM XXCoder: itrs great
05:35 AM malcom2073: Depends on the car. I threw a $8000 drivetrain at a $1500 car before :P
05:35 AM malcom2073: But I really liked that car
05:36 AM Loetmichel: same here
05:36 AM XXCoder: van was ok
05:36 AM Loetmichel: its the first ope thats in my posession thats 14 years old has (apart from a small spot around the rear wiper axle) no rust at all...
05:36 AM Loetmichel: opel
05:37 AM Loetmichel: also its a station wagon that can drive 142mph loaded with about a metric ton of stuff and dont get unsafe (and you can still talk to the passeenger) ;-)
05:39 AM XXCoder: nissan quest first generation is tough as bastard
06:42 AM Contract_Pilot: Hey alll
07:49 AM gonzo_: for some reason, I assumed that most machinists would drive land rovers or hilux! d
07:51 AM gregcnc: car thieves gone high tech. I hadn't seen this.http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-42132804/relay-crime-theft-caught-on-camera
07:54 AM gonzo_: a while ago they were using fishing rods to hook the keys through the letterbox
07:55 AM SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YYvBLAF4T8 related
07:55 AM SpeedEvil: Door (not lock) insecurity
07:55 AM gonzo_: but I recon this same idea could be uses for contactless card fraud. so I don't use contactless.
07:55 AM SpeedEvil: Stuff like spraying air duster through the top of doors to trip PIR sensors and open the door in a moment from the outside
07:55 AM SpeedEvil: faster than with the key
07:56 AM gonzo_: lo
07:57 AM gonzo_: lots of high tech security systems get bronen in low tech ways
07:57 AM gonzo_: becausw the designers only think indide their own box
07:59 AM SpeedEvil: Quite.
07:59 AM SpeedEvil: Becasue they are engineers that get asked to design a lock.
07:59 AM SpeedEvil: And hence design a lock that works, and do not know about the milennia long list of ways broken locks get made.
08:00 AM SpeedEvil: So, all too often you get stuff like an 'uncrackable' digital safe that if you lift it an inch and drop it while pulling on the door opens.
08:00 AM gonzo_: usual case. the person tasked is the one avail, not the one with the appt skills
08:00 AM gregcnc: just not a good engineer
08:01 AM gonzo_: cue a dilbert strip, that used to be up on our lab wall
08:01 AM gregcnc: no research or consideration of failure
08:01 AM SpeedEvil: gregcnc: it's not the engineer, it's the specifier.
08:02 AM gregcnc: sure buy crap = get crap
08:03 AM gonzo_: i have one of those safes..... it was not the bounce failure, but the crappy backup key lock that caused it to be rejected
08:03 AM SpeedEvil: The person specifying the problem either needs to find an engineer skilled in the area to work on the problem, or to research carefully the problem, and present the engineer with the appropriate spec.
08:04 AM gonzo_: and therein lies the fault. management often to not appeciate this
08:05 AM SpeedEvil: ^and budget so that you don't replace hardened steel with aluminium, though it 'works'
08:05 AM SpeedEvil: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Locks-Safes-Security-International-Reference/dp/0398070792 first read this
08:05 AM SpeedEvil: (or at least watch mark tobias's youtube presentations on lock insecurity at various defcons)
08:06 AM archivist: euro cylinder door locks
08:06 AM archivist: easy
08:07 AM gonzo_: at the last emf camp, ended up at the lock smith's village one eve
08:08 AM archivist: dont need to pick the euro, just snap it
08:08 AM gonzo_: a good little crowd chatting, drinking and all noodling away at example locks
08:16 AM sync: Snapping proper Euro cylinders is hard
08:17 AM archivist: the higher slit euro cylinders are not that common yet
08:33 AM Jymmm: YAY!!!!!!!!!! No more .DS_Store files!!!!!!
08:34 AM * Jymmm does the happy dance
08:34 AM skunkworks: how did you do that?
08:36 AM Jymmm: skunkworks: Disable .DS_Store in OS X El Capitan -- http://pixelcog.com/blog/2016/disable-ds_store-in-el-capitan/
08:36 AM * skunkworks looks at the server with .DS_Store in every directory...
08:36 AM Jymmm: skunkworks: Well, disabling .ds_store on a network share is much easier (one-liner actually)
08:39 AM Jymmm: skunkworks: Besides them just being annoying, what I've found is they change the timestamp of the folder they reside in, which can really muck with things if you are looking back to what has/hasn't been backed up, changed, etc.
08:39 AM skunkworks: yeck
08:40 AM Jymmm: Sometimes I'll look at things I haven't seen in years, and want to archive or looking for an older version of a file, oh heh let me change that timestamp so it's new... um NOT!
08:49 AM skunkworks: defaults write com.apple.desktopservices DSDontWriteNetworkStores true
08:50 AM Jymmm: skunkworks: For a while, I was zipping Cd Music folders that I had ripped just so I'd have a copy without .DS_store everywhere and the original timestamps
08:50 AM Jymmm: skunkworks: Yeah, that sounds like it
08:51 AM roycroft: i avoid the finder as much as possible so that i don't have to deal with those stupid .ds_store directories everywhere
08:51 AM Jymmm: ...depending on the OSX version
08:51 AM Jymmm: roycroft: all gone for me now =)
08:52 AM roycroft: yeah, i saw your link and i'm going to look into it
08:52 AM roycroft: the big issue is that my boss refuses to use normal tools to access the office freenas fileserver
08:52 AM roycroft: and ends up filling the file server up with .ds_store directories and ._ files
08:53 AM Jymmm: roycroft: I'm on ElCrap, adn just follow what it say, it bitched that the gui install failed, but that's fine.
08:53 AM roycroft: his third party filer creates ._file for every file he deals with
08:53 AM roycroft: we're on sierra
08:53 AM Jymmm: roycroft: disabling for network shares is easy
08:53 AM Jymmm: roycroft: it's more a SIP thing
08:53 AM roycroft: i have a cron job that cleans that crap up every day before i do backups, but they're still on the snapshots and on the replication server
08:54 AM Jymmm: err SPI
08:54 AM roycroft: disabling for network shares is easy if you have access to the computer that's creating them
08:54 AM roycroft: my boss just says "i don't know how/why it's doing that"
08:54 AM roycroft: but refuses to let me work on his computer to try to fix it
08:54 AM roycroft: it's really frustrating
08:54 AM Jymmm: send him links
08:55 AM roycroft: he'll ignore them
08:55 AM Jymmm: it's a one-liner to fix
08:55 AM Jymmm: shit send him a virus that will fix it for him
08:55 AM roycroft: he has a website that sends spam to me every single day
08:55 AM roycroft: for about two years i've been forwarding it to him every single day telling him to fix the website
08:56 AM roycroft: all he has to do is change an email address in the website, but he won't fix it and he won't give me admin access to the website so that i can fix it
08:56 AM roycroft: i just talked to him about it again last week
08:56 AM roycroft: and he claimed to know nothing about the problem
08:56 AM Jymmm: you poor bastard
08:56 AM roycroft: i pointed out that i've been sending him emails every single day for over two years about it
08:57 AM Jymmm: LMAO
08:57 AM roycroft: and his response was "oh"
08:57 AM roycroft: and "i didn't tell anything to send you emails"
08:57 AM * roycroft hates spam
08:57 AM Jymmm: Hey, for evey NE the server sends you, send him TEN
08:57 AM Jymmm: ONE*
08:57 AM roycroft: so have any of you ever ordered from aliexpress before?
08:57 AM SpeedEvil: yes
08:58 AM Jymmm: "You have 852 new messages)
08:58 AM Jymmm: yes
08:58 AM roycroft: i just got a refund on an order i made on sunday
08:58 AM roycroft: no explanation at all
08:58 AM roycroft: then i logged into their website
08:58 AM Jymmm: the sell might have run out of product, it happens.
08:58 AM Jymmm: seller*
08:58 AM roycroft: and there was a message saying my order had been cancelled because of a violation of aliexpress' terms and conditions
08:58 AM roycroft: what happened is that i logged in to purchase something
08:59 AM roycroft: and a window popped up saying i'm eligible for a $4 coupon
08:59 AM roycroft: so i accepted it and applied it
08:59 AM roycroft: now they say i'm not eligible for the coupon
08:59 AM roycroft: and they cancelled my order because of that
08:59 AM roycroft: yet when i log in i get both a message saying i'm eligible for a $4 coupon, and when i try to reorder the product, the $4 coupon that i already got is automatically applied, and i can't seem to unapply it
09:00 AM Jymmm: Yeah, if you are not logged in, that nag coupon appears, but it's for new customers
09:00 AM roycroft: do they have customer service that actually responds, and fixes things, and can communicate in english?
09:00 AM roycroft: this was my first ever order from them
09:00 AM roycroft: doesn't that count as a "new" customer?
09:00 AM Jymmm: Yes, they are really nice too, live chat
09:00 AM roycroft: i really don't care about $4
09:00 AM roycroft: i want the fucking product
09:01 AM SpeedEvil: their response is much better than paypal.
09:01 AM SpeedEvil: :)
09:01 AM roycroft: i want to order it and i'm happy to pay full price
09:01 AM SpeedEvil: reorder then
09:01 AM roycroft: i can't
09:01 AM roycroft: i tried, but the coupon won't go away
09:01 AM roycroft: and i'm sure they'll cancel it again if i use the coupon
09:01 AM roycroft: i'm not talking about the popup
09:01 AM SpeedEvil: So remove the coupon once you get to checkout
09:01 AM SpeedEvil: perhaps
09:01 AM roycroft: i tried, and it won't uncheck
09:01 AM SpeedEvil: ah
09:01 AM roycroft: i'll contact their customer service
09:02 AM roycroft: maybe there's a cookie or something that i have to remove
09:02 AM roycroft: this thing is going to take weeks to get here to being with
09:02 AM roycroft: begin
09:02 AM roycroft: i want that long clock to start ticking asap
09:03 AM Jymmm: roycroft: at the very bottom of the page... [CHAT NOW] in orange https://helppage.aliexpress.com/buyercenter/index.htm
09:03 AM SpeedEvil: roycroft: what're you thinking of?
09:04 AM roycroft: what do you mean?
09:04 AM roycroft: the product i need?
09:05 AM roycroft: http://tinyurl.com/y8mxd8c8
09:05 AM roycroft: i need that
09:06 AM SpeedEvil: ah
09:06 AM roycroft: this whole project is getting complicated
09:07 AM roycroft: i've been reading that the huanyang vfds are very sensitive to dust, so now i'm sorting out how to seal the thing inside my router table and provide fresh filtered air to cool it
09:09 AM roycroft: the main reasons for getting that panel, btw, are that it comes with a housing, saving me some work, and the replacement panel has a frequency control pot built in, so i don't have to install an external one - the vfd i have doesn't have the pot on the panel
09:09 AM SpeedEvil: Everything is very sensitive to dust.
09:09 AM SpeedEvil: Especially dust.
09:09 AM roycroft: installing an external pot is easy, but space is a consideration, and i like that it's right on the panel
09:09 AM roycroft: yeah, i'm not complaining about having to do so
09:09 AM roycroft: i just hadn't considered it when i started designing the thing
09:10 AM roycroft: fortunately 240vac 80mm square fans are cheap and easy to come by, so i can just install one or two of those and power them with the same switch i'll use to power the vfd
09:11 AM roycroft: and 80mm filters are also easy to source
09:11 AM roycroft: hello, spammers!
09:11 AM roycroft: today is tuesday!
09:11 AM roycroft: it is no longer "cyber monday"!
09:12 AM jdh: EXTENDED! Cyber Monday Savings! EXTRA $20 Off $100 / $50 Off $250
09:13 AM archivist: buy buy buy
09:14 AM archivist: does your shed need a weight to stop it blowing away https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cincinnati-no-3-Milling-machine/302538229719
09:15 AM roycroft: i'm not happy about the "extended cyber monday" and "cyber week" spams
09:15 AM archivist: or even mill a shed from solid :)
09:15 AM roycroft: but at least they're semi-honest
09:15 AM roycroft: that i'm still getting "cyber monday" spams is crap
09:15 AM roycroft: and it's not like they were spams sent yesterday that were delayed in delivery
09:16 AM roycroft: because i received spams from those same vendors yesterday
09:16 AM roycroft: multiple spams from some of them - i got 9 spams from harbor freight yesterday
09:16 AM roycroft: i guess i'm not bying enough nitrile gloves from them (which is about all i buy there)
09:28 AM miss0r: My heat pump is acting up at the moment. Apparently reign and close to freezing is a bad combo. Apparently it freezes over, and the cycle time for the defrost process is too short to get rid of it all, so it builds up
09:31 AM miss0r: I might need to take a hot air pistol to it
09:32 AM hazzy: morning
09:36 AM nubcake is now known as nubcake_
09:36 AM nubcake_ is now known as nubcake
09:37 AM archivist: miss0r, I had my indoor dehumidifier go into defrost mode today
09:37 AM archivist: I need more heat/better insulation
09:40 AM archivist: miss0r, or a log fire on its cold side :)
09:48 AM roycroft: we might get a light frost tonight
09:48 AM roycroft: it would be the second frost of the season
09:56 AM * Jymmm hands archivist a 500lb block of magnesium, primacord, and a glass of water
10:45 AM roycroft: they've removed the coupon from my shopping cart, but did not explain how using it for my first order with them violates their terms of service
10:45 AM roycroft: they just pointed me to their tos page, which says nothing about that
10:45 AM roycroft: oh well
10:45 AM roycroft: at least i can try to order the thing again
11:01 AM miss0r: archivist: yeah hehe
11:02 AM miss0r: At the moment it is pouring down. I've given up on the defrosting project for the time being
11:03 AM archivist: miss0r, I use an aircon in heating mode so far it manages to defrost, but some external heat seems the right thing to do
11:04 AM miss0r: Yeah. I've only got the aircon unit in here to use for heating.
11:06 AM archivist: could the time to bore into the ground and have a pumped brine circuit on the aircon input
11:08 AM archivist: hmm google says the borehole size will range between 15 and 122 m deep
11:09 AM miss0r: you could be in for a bad time or a realy bad time :]
11:11 AM archivist: another site 10 kW of heating capacity, most probably will need three boreholes of 80-110 m deep.
11:12 AM ziper: can anyone help me understand what i am looking at here https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/tls/d/lathe/6397113523.html
11:12 AM SpeedEvil: ziper: lens flare, mainly.
11:12 AM SpeedEvil: it's very artsy
11:13 AM archivist: ziper an old capstan lathe
11:13 AM miss0r: looks like a your garden variety hobby lathe to me :]
11:14 AM ziper: is that a good price
11:14 AM gregcnc_: scrap price i would guess
11:14 AM archivist: that is a production not general purpose
11:14 AM pcw_home: 79A 440V!
11:15 AM archivist: effin big one
11:15 AM miss0r: descent size hobby machine then
11:16 AM archivist: I notice how far the handles are from the work so you can dodge the hot chips off it
11:16 AM archivist: 2-5 tons of iron
11:17 AM miss0r: hehehe... The linear feed motors are roughly the same size as my spindle motor :]
11:17 AM miss0r: scratch that. that is a coolant pump, isn't it?
11:18 AM archivist: the spindle motor is huge
11:19 AM ziper: is there a drawback to being a production machine
11:19 AM pcw_home: yeah, 30 HP or so spindle?
11:19 AM ziper: other than cost, obviously
11:19 AM pcw_home: sinking through your floor?
11:19 AM gregcnc_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O80CqdvkYt8
11:19 AM archivist: tooling will code a lot, hard to use for one off jobs
11:19 AM archivist: cost
11:20 AM ziper: what makes tooling more expensive, and why can't you just run it like a regular lathe and ignore the extras
11:20 AM archivist: ziper, I spent some time operating a smaller one
11:20 AM miss0r: you could build a HSS tool holder for that thing and just not realy utilize the machine potential thou
11:21 AM mozmck: The power requirements are not something most people have.
11:21 AM miss0r: ziper: unless you have some _SERIOUS_ power installed, you would not even be able to start it up
11:22 AM gregcnc_: it's intended for fairly large work, it has a 6.5" spindle bore.
11:22 AM archivist: ziper, the box tooling mount on the capstan positions, the cross slide is not set up like a general purpose, no topslide
11:23 AM ziper: it would be going into an electricians shop, I hope he would be able to hook it up
11:23 AM miss0r: ziper: I wouldn't hold my breath on that one
11:23 AM archivist: may be too big
11:23 AM mozmck: If the shop has 3-phase 440V already then you might be ok, but otherwise getting power will cost way more than the machine.
11:24 AM miss0r: that and the fact that 79amps is alot, even more so at 440v
11:24 AM archivist: more than my generator can manage
11:24 AM ziper: he wants to do something with shafts for a boring machine, and its not easy to find machines with a big pass thru
11:25 AM miss0r: hehehe. archivist: That goes for me as well. As I only own a 6kW 3 phase @ 400 volt one
11:25 AM archivist: 60A 3 phase genny :)
11:25 AM miss0r: ziper: I would look into if he even has that amount of power installed before doing anything further
11:25 AM miss0r: archivist: Sounds like a beaut'
11:26 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253275999556?
11:26 AM miss0r: I do have a pretty serious grid connection here: I have 3x400 volts fused at 63amps
11:27 AM ziper: I mean, it kind of looks like a piece of junk, I was mostly just curious because it looks so odd, not seriously considering it
11:27 AM gregcnc_: people still use them
11:27 AM archivist: not junk but a production workhorse
11:28 AM ziper: with those pictures and that price?
11:28 AM miss0r: ziper: Its a very capable machine. You could consider it, if you can fire it up where it needs to go
11:28 AM gregcnc_: but if you need 6.5" spindle
11:28 AM miss0r: sure the price suggests its clapped out.
11:28 AM gloops: can you handle that beast ziper? lol 30hp motor
11:28 AM miss0r: but you could go inspect it
11:28 AM gregcnc_: Like any machine, is it capable of the work, what does tooling cost, will it fit, can I power it, will there be profit, does it make sense?
11:28 AM archivist: ziper, go and read up on turret and capstan lathes for background info
11:29 AM ziper: I will, thanks
11:29 AM archivist: small difference between turret and capstan
11:29 AM gloops: used in production can mean - totally run into the ground, on the other hand it can mean - well maintained
11:29 AM miss0r: archivist: I'm facing the same issues you do. I would love one, but the space is somewhat scarse :D
11:30 AM SpeedEvil: the trick is to combine usages of space.
11:31 AM archivist: spent many hours on http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_10_07_Richards_of_Burton_clockworks/P1010205.JPG
11:31 AM SpeedEvil: Get a lathe with a large enough bed that you can put a matress on it.
11:31 AM ziper: lol
11:31 AM miss0r: lol @ SpeedEvil
11:31 AM gloops: youre right SpeedEvil, by making my router 6 inch higher, ive actually saved space, the compressor planer and a drill fit under it now
11:31 AM gloops: + loads of shelves
11:31 AM ziper: archivist, do you have any recommended resources
11:32 AM gloops: i do need a beer crate to reach the middle of the table though
11:32 AM archivist: ziper, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turret_lathe
11:34 AM archivist: they can take a while to set up
11:36 AM archivist: looks like a baby version of that https://www.wotol.com/1-warner-swasey-turret-lathe-max-2262-rpm-2200/second-hand-machinery/prod_id/307659
11:38 AM archivist: similar bore http://www.myerstc.com/lathes/3309.htm
11:38 AM archivist: hehe weight 17000 lbs
11:40 AM pcw_home: probably will cost more to move than the selling price
11:40 AM gloops: rollers
11:41 AM IchGucksLive: hi
11:41 AM IchGucksLive: gloops: how many bits broken until now
11:41 AM gloops: Ichs none
11:42 AM gloops: cutting is temporarily suspended
11:45 AM gloops: i should have a rolling chassis this weekend, fit the z the weekend after, somewhere around xmas the first cuts will take place like a chainsaw through a cherry cake
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: hallo do brazil _FrancisCastillo
12:04 PM gloops: considering a 3 or 4 wheel bandsaw
12:05 PM Loetmichel: gloops: didnt matthias wandel say something about 3 whell bandsaws that they tend to eat sawbands?
12:06 PM Loetmichel: (because of small radii the band has to fold around)
12:06 PM gloops: yes that is one issue Loet
12:06 PM gloops: could use 3 big wheels though
12:06 PM Loetmichel: IMHO his conclusion was: if you need more depth: make a 2 wheel with bigger wheels
12:07 PM gloops: well i considered making a riser block for my 2 wheel bandsaw, but some tension going to be required to stiffen blade
12:10 PM gloops: basically want to slice logs, not large quantities
12:23 PM MrHindsight is now known as CaptHindsight
12:27 PM CaptHindsight: 2 wheeled https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1a5PFKVXXXXaEXpXXq6xXFXXXX/Chenlong-double-column-large-band-saw-for.jpg
12:28 PM Loetmichel: that looks like it can saw quite big logs ;)
12:29 PM CaptHindsight: I wonder if you can get replacement parts
12:30 PM gloops: diy with wood - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2wLdhZjKBM
12:31 PM gloops: not even rubber tyres on the wheels, cant see any anyway
12:31 PM Loetmichel: gloops: like a reprap: can make itself + a bit of "vitamins"
12:31 PM Loetmichel: :-)
12:32 PM gloops: well he just cut a couple hundred quidsworth of boards in 5 minutes heh
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: gloops: there is more wood on the mashine then it cuts
12:33 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/SawMill.JPG
12:33 PM gloops: even the sled wheels are wood lol
12:33 PM IchGucksLive: th one with the car tyers is quite interest
12:34 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/DSC02968.JPG
12:34 PM IchGucksLive: gloops: turning a wood wheel on that speed isquide a big deal
12:34 PM gloops: theyre quite common, nice saw skunkworks, slightly bigger than i need
12:35 PM gloops: Ichs the car wheel ones are pretty common, i need something a bit more compact
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: start from standard cheep blasdes
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: no spring saw tention go block
12:37 PM gloops: half inch blade goes through like 7 inch like butter - less drag, also easier to tension - 2 inch blade takes lots of tensioning
12:38 PM gloops: but keeps straighter
12:38 PM miss0r: FUCK. I overshot a bore size by 0.03mm because i'm close to sleepwalking here!
12:38 PM miss0r: back to the saw...
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: miss0r: cool it down and you will see tight fitting
12:39 PM miss0r: IchGucksLive: Thats where it landed after cooling off
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: miss0r: did the cold arive in denmark
12:39 PM miss0r: its a bit on and off at the moment. Right now its just close to freezing and alot of rain
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: we expect tomorrow the first snow cover
12:40 PM miss0r: Surprises alot of summer tire drivers every year ;)
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: here in Germany you got to pay if you arent on winter tyer
12:41 PM miss0r: We should realy do that here too
12:41 PM roycroft: and we have the opposite problem
12:42 PM roycroft: it very rarely snows here (once/year on average)
12:42 PM roycroft: yet we have countless drivers who put studded tires on their cars on 1 november and remove them on 31 march
12:42 PM skunkworks: pick a blade thickness that goes around your wheel without fatiguing too soon
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: roycroft: in australia it is hard to find winter tyers
12:42 PM roycroft: tearing up the roads wherever they go
12:42 PM roycroft: i think snow tires or all-weather tires are fine, although not really necessary in my part of the world
12:43 PM roycroft: but studded tires cause a *lot* of damage to the roads
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: and iin indonesia i dont think they know there even exists
12:43 PM roycroft: there has been talk for decades about requiring a permit for studded tires west of the mountains
12:43 PM roycroft: but nothing ever happens
12:43 PM roycroft: in central/eastern oregon i have no problem with people using studded tires - it snows a lot there
12:45 PM CaptHindsight: IchGucksLive: you get fined for not having winter tires on your car there?
12:45 PM IchGucksLive: yes
12:46 PM CaptHindsight: what is the fine and who checks?
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: CaptHindsight: and if you crash no mather if you are guilty you will pay all yourself and loose insurence
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: CaptHindsight: 150-400
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: and 1-3 points in the driverss list
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: 8 to loose yur licence
12:47 PM CaptHindsight: IchGucksLive: you tend to keep bad drivers off the roads there anyway
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: CaptHindsight: only 3000 deats
12:50 PM CaptHindsight: we are ~10x that here
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: ok lets do it in Relation Germany 82Mio citicens
12:50 PM miss0r: There we go. Nice'n strait bore
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: USA 340Mio
12:51 PM roycroft: speaking of bad drivers
12:51 PM CaptHindsight: still higher per capita
12:51 PM IchGucksLive: roycroft: Loetmichel
12:51 PM roycroft: when i was coming out of the post office yesterday an old guy drove into the parking lot going the wrong way
12:51 PM IchGucksLive: CaptHindsight: 4times
12:51 PM roycroft: he started pulling into a handicap spot
12:51 PM roycroft: drove up over the parking bumper
12:52 PM roycroft: and turned right onto the sidewalk between the parking lot and the post office entrance
12:52 PM IchGucksLive: CaptHindsight: and here we go mutch fuster then the USA
12:52 PM roycroft: after driving down the sidewalk, and having people jump out of the way, he drove back out into the parking lot
12:52 PM roycroft: drover around in a circle
12:52 PM roycroft: then parked mostly sideways kind of in the handicap spot
12:52 PM roycroft: then he got out of the car and just stood there for while
12:53 PM roycroft: then went back to his trunk, back to the front of the car, back to the front, and back to the trunk again
12:53 PM roycroft: he finally went into the post office, with his trunk open and his driver's side door open
12:53 PM roycroft: i called the cops when this first started, and fortunately they arrived while he was still inside the post office
12:54 PM CaptHindsight: IchGucksLive: here it's floor the gas pedal until you are ~10mph over the speed limit...
12:54 PM roycroft: the man was very confused - sadly for him i suspect his legal driving days are over
12:54 PM roycroft: he was in his '70s or '80s
12:54 PM CaptHindsight: 20-30 if you are really special...
12:54 PM CaptHindsight: then slam on the brakes in the last 50 yards before a stop/red light
12:54 PM * roycroft drives the speed limit, and that pisses a lot of people off, even when he's not impeding them
12:55 PM CaptHindsight: then you also weave through traffic to get to the front
12:55 PM roycroft: i stay in the right lane when i drive
12:55 PM roycroft: but people prefer to honk and flip me off to just getting into the left lane and passing me
12:55 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: yup and they also flash their lights
12:55 PM roycroft: yes
12:55 PM roycroft: i really don't care
12:55 PM roycroft: i'm not in a hurry to get places
12:56 PM CaptHindsight: and they don't bother using a signal to pass or weave by
12:56 PM roycroft: and i try to be respectful and give people room
12:56 PM roycroft: i don't want to get a speeding ticket
12:56 PM CaptHindsight: turn signals are a sign of weakness :)
12:56 PM thesaint4444: hi guys! is anyone using a probe with their mill?
12:56 PM roycroft: and my fuel economy goes down dramatically when i drive fast
12:56 PM CaptHindsight: thesaint4444: sure
12:56 PM roycroft: driving at the limit usually gets me the best fuel economy
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: thesaint4444: why not
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: thesaint4444: wr deffer probe Z and edge finder
12:57 PM thesaint4444: how are you controlling it? i was using probe_screen with axis but i just upgraded and it stopped working...
12:57 PM roycroft: this is why i don't like driving in california though
12:57 PM roycroft: people drive 20mph over the limit in the right lane
12:57 PM roycroft: and go even faster in the other lanes
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: thesaint4444: just Z
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: or do you like 3 dimantion
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: thesaint4444: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M2yqr3lKfo
12:58 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: those are all the brain surgeons speeding to the hospitals for emergencies ...
12:58 PM thesaint4444: i like xy and z..
12:59 PM roycroft: um yeah
12:59 PM roycroft: right
12:59 PM CaptHindsight: or high ranking guberment officials saving the world from certain doom
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: thesaint4444: best is to get some sidepanel buttons
12:59 PM thesaint4444: cylinders, inside, outside, etc, very useful
12:59 PM roycroft: so for this router cabinet i've ordered an 80mm fan to flow air over the vfd to keep it cool, since it will be enclosed in the thing
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: thesaint4444: what GUI do you use AXIS,gmoccapy
01:00 PM roycroft: i'm going to use an 80mm grill over the fan exhaust
01:00 PM roycroft: and i'll be mounting the fan to blow out, not suck in
01:00 PM thesaint4444: axis..
01:00 PM CaptHindsight: or Bubu racing to get home to watch TV or something really important
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: so best to go pyvcp
01:00 PM roycroft: for the fresh air intake i want to use a dense foam filter to keep the dust out
01:00 PM roycroft: how big should that be?
01:00 PM roycroft: would 120mm be ok? or should i go with 180mm or even larger?
01:00 PM thesaint4444: i have.. it just stopped working..
01:01 PM roycroft: i'm concerned that the filter will impede air flow somewhat, especially as it starts to collect dust
01:01 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: whats the fire situation like now? What did it leave?
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: thesaint4444: then you need to edit the ini to find the files
01:01 PM roycroft: fires have all been out for weeks now
01:01 PM roycroft: the rainy season came on strong when it started last month
01:01 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: has the dust settled?
01:01 PM CaptHindsight: ah ok
01:01 PM roycroft: i don't know the total amount of damage
01:02 PM thesaint4444: no, i think something wrong with glade..
01:02 PM roycroft: but it was a really really bad fire year
01:02 PM thesaint4444: must be in mdi mode error message..
01:02 PM roycroft: there are probably a few hot spots still smouldering
01:02 PM roycroft: but there is no active firefighting going on - nature will take care of what little might be left
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: ah ok i see thesaint4444 please open up the SIM AXIS ngcgui pyvcp mashine
01:03 PM IchGucksLive: there are missing folders that this mashine is instaling thesaint4444
01:03 PM thesaint4444: no missing folders...
01:04 PM thesaint4444: why you think missing folders?
01:04 PM thesaint4444: it was working, upgraded, now not..
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: thats why
01:05 PM thesaint4444: must be in mdi mode?
01:05 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: just make it a regular thing to clean the filter
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: is there a gladevcp_lib folder in your nc_file folder
01:05 PM CaptHindsight: daily/weekly whatever seem sot make sense
01:05 PM thesaint4444: i will look!
01:05 PM thesaint4444: 2 mins..
01:05 PM CaptHindsight: sot/to
01:06 PM CaptHindsight: self cleaning filters are complex
01:07 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDzIAa_OXts or peek at this one
01:11 PM roycroft: yes, cleaning it periodically is something i will do
01:11 PM roycroft: but i still don't think that a mesh filter will do a good enough job
01:11 PM roycroft: i make some pretty fine dust
01:11 PM roycroft: a filter will start building up quickly
01:12 PM * roycroft thinks he'll try 120mm, and if that clogs too quickly he'll either add another one or replace with a bigger one
01:13 PM CaptHindsight: or use water to filter it
01:13 PM CaptHindsight: water pipe style
01:13 PM CaptHindsight: hookah
01:13 PM roycroft: i'm already unhappy about needing a water coolant system for the thing
01:14 PM roycroft: i don't want to have a lot of water sloshing around in the router cabinet
01:14 PM roycroft: keep in mind that this thing will be on wheels, and will be moved around almost every time i use it
01:15 PM CaptHindsight: then stay with more regular cleaning intervals
01:15 PM roycroft: the fan on the vfd is tiny - only about 20mm square
01:15 PM roycroft: i think the 80mm fan i'll be adding will move sufficient air around it to keep it cool enough
01:16 PM roycroft: plus, i oversized it - i got a 3kw vfd and only need 2.2kw
01:16 PM CaptHindsight: tiny fans are generally a problem
01:16 PM roycroft: it has a rather large heat sink
01:18 PM roycroft: i haven't finished the design of the cabinet yet, but i'll probably duct the air up through the heat sink and out the back of it
01:18 PM CaptHindsight: sounds like you are making wise trade-offs
01:18 PM roycroft: i don't want to rebuild this
01:18 PM roycroft: this is my fourth or fifth router table, and certainly the most sophisticated design i've done
01:18 PM roycroft: i want it to be the last one
01:19 PM roycroft: i still can't believe that the woodworking community have not embraced those 80mm water cooled spindles for their fancy router tables
01:19 PM roycroft: i can't find anyone who has built one like this
01:21 PM roycroft: a few folks have been smart and ducted fresh outside air inot their router moter fans
01:21 PM roycroft: but most folks are content with letting all the sawdust they make get sucked up through their routers
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
01:23 PM CaptHindsight: I find it's more often just monkey see, monkey do
01:24 PM gloops: i dunno, a router is first and foremost a power/hand tool
01:24 PM roycroft: there are an awful lot of people who make really fancy router tables and use them as shapers
01:24 PM gloops: it has found an application - mounted under a table, that most power tools dont
01:25 PM gloops: a pro woodworker isnt going to make a sawbench with a circular saw
01:26 PM gloops: but a table router is definately a useful machine
02:19 PM nos: Is there a simple way to set up a C axis for simulation in Axis?
02:28 PM CaptHindsight: nos: to just have a C-axis or?
02:28 PM gloops: cant you do that in stepconfig? i havent got linuxcnc open
02:32 PM andypugh: Stepconf can make you an XYZA and then you could edit it.
02:34 PM nos: hmm
02:35 PM andypugh: But for sim, why not just open one of the existing sample configs. Some even include cool Vismach models: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/setsserial.9.html
02:36 PM hiroshima5: hi everybody
02:37 PM hiroshima5: I've modified the userspace component for modbus communication with delta vfd
02:37 PM hiroshima5: vfdb_vfd.c
02:37 PM hiroshima5: now I'm trying to install it using halcompile --install --userspace vfdb_vfd.c
02:37 PM hiroshima5: but it doesn't find the include lib modbus.h
02:38 PM andypugh: And?
02:38 PM hiroshima5: that is in the same folder than the .c
02:38 PM andypugh: Ah, yes, halcompile is not great at finding includes.
02:38 PM hiroshima5: how could I install it, or indicate halcompile where modbus is
02:38 PM hiroshima5: ?
02:39 PM andypugh: The problem might be that halcompile is moving the c file to temporary location to compile it (it certainly creates the c-file in a different place if you use the .comp preprocessing language)
02:39 PM andypugh: Try using an absolute path.
02:40 PM andypugh: (I don’t know if it will work, but it would be the first thing I tried)
02:41 PM hiroshima5: yes, it works
02:41 PM hiroshima5: the easiest solution
02:41 PM hiroshima5: and the only one i've not tried heheh
02:48 PM andypugh: I wonder how well this would work for linuxCNC? https://www.seeedstudio.com/UDOO-NEO-FULL%C2%A0-p-2819.html
03:06 PM nos: andypugh: hard to tell with a new board like that. Seems like these controller boards are sometimes vulnerable to EMI.
03:08 PM nos: ah! I don't have a stepper configuration wizard... 'cause I'm on Arch/manjaro.
03:11 PM nos: oh wait yes I do have it
03:15 PM andypugh: Using an existing sim config is likely to be easier, though.
03:15 PM andypugh: LinuxCNC ships with lots of configs
03:16 PM andypugh: If you create one with Stepconf it will not home properly as there will be no actual home switches. But the sim configs have sim home switches
03:17 PM nos: hmm... Maybe I can steal the A-axis (spindle?) from the one created with stepconf?
03:18 PM andypugh: There are sim configs with many axes. One has 9 of them.
03:20 PM nos: Guess my maro doesn't work then... It does a straight line when I expect an ellipse in CZ.
03:22 PM MrHindsight: andypugh: what bus connects the two processors? SPI or?
03:23 PM MrHindsight: ah they are in the same package
03:23 PM MrHindsight: I'll check the data sheet never mind
03:23 PM andypugh: I don’t know, and it’s a very important question. With the original UDOO it was a UART on the USB bus. But as that one has the cores on the same die, it might be better.
03:24 PM MrHindsight: https://www.nxp.com/products/processors-and-microcontrollers/applications-processors/i.mx-applications-processors/i.mx-6-processors/i.mx-6solox-processors-heterogeneous-processing-with-arm-cortex-a9-and-cortex-m4-cores:i.MX6SX
03:25 PM MrHindsight: andypugh: it's over a high speed internal bus
03:25 PM MrHindsight: AXI and AHB
03:26 PM andypugh: Hmm, I will buy one then :-)
03:27 PM MrHindsight: yeah, this looks better than the BBB cpu
03:27 PM MrHindsight: open GPU drivers IIRC
03:27 PM MrHindsight: andypugh: well I have to check the part number of the device that they used on that board
03:28 PM MrHindsight: I'm looking at the industrial device data sheet from NXP
03:28 PM MrHindsight: https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/data-sheet/IMX6SXIEC.pdf
03:29 PM MrHindsight: they might not have chosen an SOC that i would have for that board
03:30 PM MrHindsight: can you see the actual part number in any of the pics or docs?
03:31 PM MrHindsight: there are versions of the SOC without a GPU and other handy features for Linuxcnc
03:31 PM nos: The OrangePi AllWinner SoC is cheap too, but I don't know what bus it uses.
03:32 PM Jymmm: Love the new security feature.... https://twitter.com/lemiorhan/status/935581020774117381
03:32 PM Jymmm: andypugh: ^^^^^
03:34 PM MrHindsight: nos: the problem with Allwinner is the closed Mali stuff
03:34 PM MrHindsight: but you can use software rendering to get fast enough video for LCNC
03:35 PM MrHindsight: but you still need an FPGA for fast IO
03:35 PM hazzy: Jymmm: Hahahaha
03:35 PM MrHindsight: andypugh: it looks like they have the one with the GPU chosen
03:36 PM MrHindsight: andypugh: if you see an actual part number for the SOC please let me know
03:36 PM MrHindsight: http://www.seco.com/misk/UDOO_NEO_datasheet.pdf
03:36 PM andypugh: Jymmm: Doesn’t work here
03:37 PM Jymmm: andypugh: Cool, just make sure you have a non-blank root password set
03:37 PM Jymmm: andypugh: ..and do NOT disable the root account.
03:37 PM Jymmm: sudo passwd root
03:42 PM nos: MrHindsight: That explains why it never worked quite right...
03:43 PM MrHindsight: nos: we had some working a few years ago with a Mesa FPGA
03:43 PM MrHindsight: nos: some of the Allwinners have integrated Ethernet
03:43 PM MrHindsight: so IO to the FPGA is fast enough for anything LCNC
03:44 PM MrHindsight: we stopped working with it since the price of the allwinner boards were nearly the same as an x86
04:10 PM Deejay: gn8
04:11 PM nos: Is there a way to lock a rotational axis in the sim so that the tool looks like it stays in place and instead the toolpath rotates?
04:17 PM nos: hmm... come to think of it the 9 axis demo doesn't resemble the C axis on a lathe at all.
04:18 PM nos: But that is enough for tonight!
04:18 PM nos: l8r!
04:25 PM andypugh: nos: You can do that with the GEOMETRY section in the [DISPLAY] part of the INI
05:33 PM MrHindsight: andypugh: from the looks of that imx6+M4 SOC if I was developing machinekit, I'd change over from the TI to these since they do everything plus support HD 30fps graphics
05:42 PM Chopper79: hello all
05:46 PM Chopper79: trying to finish this mint preempt build. Stuck at a point that I can not seem to work around. when I check dependencies it lists that I need to have rtai-modules-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae in order for everything to be satisfied. I used apt-get install and it returned with linux-image-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae:i386 is already the newest version (3.4.55-4linuxcnc). Which is what is stopping me. Any ideas on why I can not get past this?
05:47 PM andypugh: Are you building from source?
05:48 PM MrHindsight: Chopper79: what command are you running?
05:48 PM Chopper79: yes
05:48 PM Chopper79: checking dependencies with dpkg-checkbuilddeps
05:48 PM andypugh: ./configure should set up that sort of thing, I think
05:49 PM andypugh: Try a make-clean, then autogen.sh and ./configure again?
05:49 PM Chopper79: trying to build with this ../debian//configure uspace ; debuild -uc -us
05:49 PM andypugh: Hang on, you seem to have an RTAI kernel and are configuring for uspace?
05:49 PM MrHindsight: are you using make-kpkg?
05:50 PM Chopper79: andypugh: whic directory should I be under to issue thos commands
05:50 PM andypugh: (and you also seem to be trying to make debian packages, which might be more toruble than it is worth)
05:50 PM andypugh: in the src/ directory
05:50 PM Chopper79: uname -v gives me #1 smp preempt rt
05:51 PM MrHindsight: make-kpkg will solve your problems
05:51 PM Chopper79: uspace built fine as well
05:52 PM pcw_mesa: uspace builds fine on RTAI...
05:52 PM Chopper79: hmm
05:52 PM MrHindsight: Chopper79: are you following some odd howto?
05:52 PM pcw_mesa: what does uname -a print?
05:52 PM Chopper79: 4.9.4-rt2 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Tue Nov 28 01:17:37 CST 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
05:53 PM pcw_mesa: ok that's a preempt-RT kernel
05:53 PM MrHindsight: you are already running a preempt_rt kernel
05:53 PM MrHindsight: whats the problem then?
05:53 PM Chopper79: MrHindsight: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/32193-complete-how-to-linux-mint-18-1-32-64-rtai-or-preempt-with-rip-install-or-deb?limitstart=0
05:53 PM Chopper79: using this how to
05:54 PM Chopper79: Problem is I can not build lcnc since it is complaining that I need the rtai modules and I tried installing them and they are already up to date. This is preventing me from building lcnc the rest of the way.
05:58 PM Chopper79: Here is the error I get
05:58 PM Chopper79: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26067987/
06:23 PM MrHindsight: andypugh: found a high res pic of the SOC https://shop.udoo.org/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/i/single_board_computer.jpg
06:24 PM MrHindsight: https://www.nxp.com/part/MCIMX6X4EVM10AB
06:27 PM MrHindsight: consumer products version i.mx6 solo
06:29 PM _methods: http://linuxgizmos.com/nxps-open-source-openil-linux-distro-has-xenomai-and-opentsn-support/
06:34 PM MrHindsight: https://github.com/openil/linux
06:59 PM chopper791: Lost Internet for a bit
07:00 PM chopper791: anyway... I use a -d and just told it to proceed anyway. Things are building now.
07:24 PM MrHindsight: _methods: interesting that they did all this work for real time Linux yet also decided to have an option for Ubuntu user space filesystem layout
07:28 PM scrat is now known as Guest12272
07:58 PM gregcnc_: mrhindsight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wVGaxgkmk4 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214860416303220
08:05 PM BeachBumPete: Evening folks ;)
08:05 PM skunkworks: looks like the que goes empty...
08:05 PM skunkworks: Hey pete!
08:05 PM skunkworks: Hmm 40 tabs up is probably a bit much
08:06 PM BeachBumPete: Howz things Skunkie
08:06 PM gregcnc_: meh. 200 is pushing it, new firefox quantum can do it
08:12 PM MrHindsight: gregcnc_: http://sci-hub.bz/downloads/3266/go2017.pdf
08:15 PM Tom_L: evening
08:15 PM MrHindsight: improved extruder design
08:16 PM BeachBumPete: Hey tom
08:16 PM MrHindsight: laser preheater
08:16 PM Tom_L: wonder if i'll have my mill done before your lathe
08:16 PM BeachBumPete: mine?
08:16 PM Tom_L: yeah
08:16 PM BeachBumPete: of course you will ;)
08:17 PM Tom_L: it's still just a pile of metal though
08:17 PM BeachBumPete: but I DID get some work done on it over the weekend
08:17 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Z_Axis_Support1.jpg
08:17 PM BeachBumPete: I also found a deal on a chinese VFD that looks decent on Ebay that I am considering instead of the $900 for the Hitachi I have now
08:17 PM Tom_L: i added side support and plates under the Z so it's more adjustable
08:18 PM BeachBumPete: ya see that part of your build would be the fun part for me
08:18 PM Tom_L: i think i'm gonna get rid of the slots and use a turnbuckle at the back
08:18 PM Tom_L: i'm not that good a welder though
08:18 PM Tom_L: haven't kept up my practice
08:18 PM BeachBumPete: neither was I until I jumped in with both feet
08:19 PM Tom_L: i practiced a little on some of the cutoff bars
08:19 PM BeachBumPete: You would not believe this shit man
08:19 PM BeachBumPete: ya know how I told you guys I ordered a tubing bender for my project reverse trike>
08:20 PM BeachBumPete: well I ordered the same bender from two different Ebay sellers and both took days to let me know they were out of stock
08:20 PM Jymmm: Both sellers probably get it from the same place =)
08:20 PM Tom_L: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1R_D3SLbbiU5RMgtL8DXTSMUaOQFt7KIs/view
08:20 PM BeachBumPete: then I decided to up the ante and buy a much nicer one from a more reputable seller called Trick Tools
08:21 PM Tom_L: someone suggested i do that instead of the slots
08:21 PM BeachBumPete: ordered it a few days before Thanksgiving
08:21 PM Tom_L: so they'll send you two now
08:21 PM BeachBumPete: have not heard a single thing other then their automated initial acceptance of the orders BS
08:21 PM BeachBumPete: got tired of waiting for a response to my order so I contacted them today
08:22 PM BeachBumPete: they had not even sent it and they said they were also out of stock
08:22 PM BeachBumPete: then they tell me they can drop ship from the manufacturer
08:22 PM Tom_L: did you cancel the order?
08:22 PM Tom_L: i would
08:22 PM BeachBumPete: I was like whatever man just get it done
08:22 PM BeachBumPete: I would cancel but I am running out of ebay sellers who sell the damn things
08:22 PM BeachBumPete: this it the THIRD ONE!!
08:23 PM Tom_L: might be easier to make one
08:23 PM BeachBumPete: ya know its funny I DID make one awhile back
08:23 PM BeachBumPete: then I sold it before we moved
08:23 PM BeachBumPete: now I WISH I had not sold it because it was pretty sweet
08:23 PM BeachBumPete: but I just don't want to be making things to make things anymore
08:24 PM BeachBumPete: if I cannot buy it and get started using it I get turned off quick with it
08:24 PM MrHindsight: odd for ebay sellers since people complain about the most minute crap and leave negative feedback for just about anything
08:24 PM BeachBumPete: but this is starting to make me change my mind I tell ya
08:24 PM BeachBumPete: I could complain but the order was cancelled by the seller before I could the first time
08:24 PM BeachBumPete: and the second time they contacted me and apologized
08:25 PM BeachBumPete: now this time I just gotta wait here and see what happens
08:25 PM BeachBumPete: Such bullshit
08:25 PM BeachBumPete: why is there an freaking Ebay ad for something they do not possess?????
08:26 PM MrHindsight: free market
08:26 PM Tom_L: day after i ordered my seller sent me this: "i am sorry that your order is not shipped on time, we will deal with as soon as possible"
08:26 PM Tom_L: next day it shipped but not without me contacting them
08:26 PM BeachBumPete: what a crock right
08:27 PM Tom_L: he would have been better off to just not send me a notice
08:27 PM Tom_L: i wasn't that concerned until i got the message
08:27 PM BeachBumPete: I dont get too annoyed with a day or two
08:27 PM BeachBumPete: but this is over a week now
08:27 PM Tom_L: me either
08:27 PM MrHindsight: what model is this (so I know what to avoid)
08:28 PM BeachBumPete: its the Pro Tools MB105HD
08:28 PM Tom_L: so now the tracking has been sitting on a shipping label for 2 days
08:28 PM Tom_L: i think they're buying time
08:28 PM MrHindsight: yeah, what I see is that they generate a shipping label but don't ship it for a few more days
08:28 PM BeachBumPete: I get that shit too
08:29 PM BeachBumPete: its automatic actually it seems
08:29 PM MrHindsight: I generate labels only minutes before they ship
08:29 PM MrHindsight: if someone is already unhappy before it ships I'd rather just refund them
08:30 PM BeachBumPete: agreed
08:30 PM BeachBumPete: I have very seldom had unhappy customers and most of that was with prototype parts first time makes etc.
08:31 PM MrHindsight: I get people that think products are off the shelf when they are mostly custom
08:31 PM BeachBumPete: I tell all my customers up front the parts are made to order
08:32 PM BeachBumPete: each one altho they are very similar is custom droop angled to the customers requests and then you have choice of anodize color screw finish color and either brushed or blasted finishes etc,
08:32 PM MrHindsight: our faeries are diligently working on your order, we will update you with the tracking info as soon as it ships
08:33 PM MrHindsight: elves are often substituted for faeries
08:34 PM BeachBumPete: over here we have trolls :)
08:34 PM BeachBumPete: or one anyway
08:34 PM BeachBumPete: and I hear tell he is a REAL azzhole
08:34 PM BeachBumPete: hehehe
08:34 PM MrHindsight: yeah trolls
08:35 PM BeachBumPete: any of you guys ever use those thread locking SHCS?
08:36 PM MrHindsight: http://milspecfastenerscorporation.thomasnet-navigator.com/viewitems/socket-head-cap-screws/hexagon-socket-self-locking-cap-screw-1044?
08:38 PM MrHindsight: or more like this one? http://www.mettex.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Fabory-Fasteners-Flange-Cap.pdf
08:38 PM MrHindsight: with serrated flange
08:38 PM BeachBumPete: https://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-socket-head-screws/=1agji8h
08:39 PM MrHindsight: with a nylon patch on the threads?
08:40 PM MarcelineVQ: that reminds me I need to get a set of nord-locks
08:40 PM MrHindsight: https://images1.mcmaster.com/mvB/contents/gfx/small/91205a247p1-b01s.png?ver=1373896112
08:40 PM Tom_L: i think i'm gonna try to find a step drill for either M5 or M6 cap screws
08:40 PM BeachBumPete: yeah
08:40 PM Tom_L: would making these plates alot easier
08:41 PM BeachBumPete: never tried them but they look promising for my rails
08:41 PM Tom_L: that or find the sae counterpart
08:41 PM MrHindsight: vs https://images1.mcmaster.com/mvB/contents/gfx/small/90074a115p1-b01-digitals.png?ver=1457538042
08:41 PM BeachBumPete: yeah those will not work they will tear up the side of the rails body
08:41 PM BeachBumPete: just need some loctite really
08:41 PM Tom_L: i'm not that crazy about those either
08:42 PM MrHindsight: yeah the materials has to be softer than the flange
08:42 PM BeachBumPete: just to keep it snugged down from vives
08:42 PM BeachBumPete: vibes
08:42 PM MrHindsight: locktite is higher temp as well
08:42 PM BeachBumPete: man I got a great deal on offer up this weekend
08:43 PM BeachBumPete: awhile back I bought my wife this nice Schwinn dual sport bike
08:43 PM MrHindsight: BeachBumPete: what are you fastening?
08:43 PM BeachBumPete: it was not crazy expensive like $300 or so
08:43 PM BeachBumPete: just the rails locking down onto the receiver
08:43 PM BeachBumPete: but she loves that bike and I ride it sometimes too its quite nice
08:44 PM BeachBumPete: it has sort of high pressure street type wheels but with slightly wider tires that actually have some tread
08:44 PM BeachBumPete: it can go offroad a bit but still rides nice on the bike paths
08:44 PM BeachBumPete: I usually ride my homebuilt recumbent bike
08:45 PM Tom_L: i'm hoping my local guy has fine thread cap screws for this thing
08:45 PM BeachBumPete: but on the tight bike paths here sometimes it can be a bit of a handful and my kids ride slow
08:45 PM BeachBumPete: so I have been thinking of buying one like hers for myself
08:45 PM Tom_L: you use blue or red loctite?
08:45 PM BeachBumPete: so been perusing offerup and craigslist
08:45 PM BeachBumPete: blue
08:45 PM Tom_L: auto store have it?
08:46 PM Tom_L: i haven't had to get any for quite a while
08:46 PM BeachBumPete: this weekend a guy posts the exact same bike she has but for $30 and he said it is broken
08:46 PM MrHindsight: they should carry both colors
08:46 PM BeachBumPete: yeah most auto parts stores carry
08:46 PM BeachBumPete: so I contact him and go look at it
08:46 PM MrHindsight: broken?
08:46 PM BeachBumPete: the chain is off
08:46 PM BeachBumPete: he said he does not know what is wrong with it
08:46 PM MrHindsight: run over by truck, need air in tires?
08:46 PM BeachBumPete: so I got it for $25
08:46 PM MrHindsight: deal!
08:47 PM BeachBumPete: the frame and the rest of the bike look flawless
08:47 PM BeachBumPete: it even had some cool lights for front and rear to ride at night
08:47 PM BeachBumPete: I get it home and the derailleur is trashed
08:47 PM BeachBumPete: and it seems to have one broken spoke on the rear wheen
08:47 PM BeachBumPete: wheel
08:47 PM MrHindsight: no biggie
08:47 PM Tom_L: MrHindsight, what is that dot of stuff on the side of the bolt? i know what it's for but what material is it?
08:47 PM BeachBumPete: so I ordered a new deraileur
08:48 PM BeachBumPete: it was only like $30 shipped
08:48 PM BeachBumPete: just got it today
08:48 PM MrHindsight: Tom_L: McMaster says it's Nylon
08:48 PM BeachBumPete: I think I will get it installed and clean up the rest of the bike and take it over to the local bike shop and have them replace the spoke and true up the wheel and tune everything up for me
08:48 PM Crom: Got both follow rests, ine is for like a 14" lathe, the other is a Harbor freight mini lathe, but I can make it work for my 10 Sheldon
08:49 PM BeachBumPete: its a nice looking bike I am pretty pleased to get one for so cheap even if it takes a little work to get it going
08:49 PM MrHindsight: A nylon patch bonded to the threads adds friction to resist loosening from vibration
08:49 PM BeachBumPete: yeah
08:49 PM Tom_L: just like a nylock nut
08:50 PM BeachBumPete: http://www.semesh.com/sanantonio/ads/images/28/f01717_dyUTHJul4z1_600x450.jpg Looks just like that
08:50 PM MrHindsight: wow the postal service is slowing down
08:50 PM Tom_L: http://www.penntoolco.com/precise-step-drills-for-standard-cap-screws/
08:50 PM jdh: BeachBumPete: I have one for sale you could have bought
08:51 PM Tom_L: i think i'll see if my local guy has some
08:51 PM BeachBumPete: jdh you got one like that too?
08:51 PM MrHindsight: looks like everything will take 2 extra days
08:51 PM Tom_L: MrHindsight, they're working sundays here
08:51 PM Tom_L: for some things
08:51 PM jdh: not like that, but big tires, can ride road or trails
08:51 PM BeachBumPete: ya see I don't really care for the big tires ones
08:51 PM Tom_L: cyber christmas will kill any ontime deliveries
08:51 PM BeachBumPete: unless it is electric
08:52 PM jdh: not fat tires, just bigger than skinny road tires
08:52 PM BeachBumPete: this thing is really smooth to ride
08:52 PM jdh: https://wilmington.craigslist.org/bik/6395142500.html
08:52 PM jdh: Handmade in Chattanooga
08:52 PM BeachBumPete: yeah thats a BIT more than I wanted to spend :)
08:53 PM BeachBumPete: I got like $50 in this things now LOL
08:53 PM jdh: you and everyone else. other than me anyway, I paid a lot more than that for it
08:56 PM Tom_L: mine is old but is aluminum frame
08:56 PM BeachBumPete: these are all aluminum frame
08:56 PM MrHindsight: jdh: I don't waste my $ on titanium crap anymore for me it's just virgin carbon fiber everything :)
08:56 PM BeachBumPete: they have the 700CM wheels etc
08:56 PM jdh: I am not a big carbon fan
08:56 PM BeachBumPete: its not the best bike by far but I was quite surprised at just how nice it rides
08:56 PM BeachBumPete: I kinda like the tron themed look of the paint job too hehehe
08:56 PM jdh: https://i.imgur.com/IQTyXAu.jpg my main road bike
08:56 PM BeachBumPete: wish the lines glowed in the dark LOL
08:56 PM Tom_L: i got mine used from a friend years ago when he wanted to upgrade
08:56 PM BeachBumPete: I want to get some of those glowing spoke lights for riding around here at night
08:56 PM BeachBumPete: http://www.garyolsen.com/Gary%27sbike/Recumbent3.jpg my recumbent looks something like this but its red
08:57 PM MrHindsight: BeachBumPete: https://www.adafruit.com/product/445
08:57 PM MrHindsight: or aqua https://www.adafruit.com/product/415
08:58 PM BeachBumPete: they actually make some that mount on your spokes etc
08:58 PM MrHindsight: I made a motorcycle jacket with EL panels... the eyes in the skull were tied to the brake lights
08:58 PM BeachBumPete: https://www.ebay.com/itm/6PCS-Bike-Light-Bicycle-Cycling-Spoke-Wire-Tire-Tyre-Silicone-LED-Wheel-Blue/142004563758?epid=1835750630&hash=item211021af2e:g:P-IAAOSw-0xYgCFy
08:58 PM MrHindsight: and turn signals
09:01 PM MrHindsight: some people here ride at night with blinding head mounted spot light
09:01 PM jdh: I ride most nights in the winter
09:02 PM MrHindsight: https://www.miniinthebox.com/13000lm-3xxm-l2-led-rechargeable-headlamp-headlight-torch-usb-lamp_p5304479.html?currency=USD&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&country_code=us&utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&adword_mt=&adword_ct=202569401971&adword_kw=&adword_pos=1o5&adword_pl=&adword_net=s&adword_tar=&adw_src_id=33249133621_866082364_52171492068_pla-330474519257&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy5Gg3OXi1wIVRyOBCh0z9AddEAQYBSABEgKSf_D_BwE
09:02 PM MrHindsight: wooah sorry
09:03 PM MrHindsight: or similar
09:03 PM MrHindsight: the one time you don't check the length of the link :)
09:04 PM BeachBumPete: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS9CR9S0HCs
09:06 PM MrHindsight: when I was a kid all we had were clothespins and playing cards for your spokes
09:06 PM BeachBumPete: IKR
09:06 PM Tom_L: that and balloons
09:06 PM Tom_L: until they popped
09:07 PM MrHindsight: then again I can just imagine what we would have used for the two words
09:07 PM MrHindsight: or images
09:08 PM MrHindsight: ooh has anyone combined these with not-spins for cars?
09:08 PM MrHindsight: https://youtu.be/ts_JT9LUovA?t=15s
09:09 PM BeachBumPete: https://i.imgur.com/UCVZr0r.jpg Built that for my wife's Christmas Village decorations over the weekend :)
09:09 PM MrHindsight: never mind an LCD would work if it doesnt spin
09:10 PM MrHindsight: have fun bbl
09:34 PM C_P-Away is now known as Contract_Pilot
09:40 PM Contract_Pilot: looks like path pilot 2.0 is ready to go live any day now
09:40 PM Contract_Pilot: https://www.tormach.com/pathpilot2-0.html
09:41 PM BeachBumPete: hehe do we get it now or what?
09:42 PM Contract_Pilot: not sure i hope soon
09:42 PM Contract_Pilot: everyone is hording it...
09:42 PM Contract_Pilot: I guess it will be 20.00 from the roumors.