#linuxcnc Logs

Nov 22 2017

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01:04 AM IchGucksLive: hi
01:07 AM hazzy: morning Ichs
01:07 AM hazzy: gn8 :)
01:07 AM IchGucksLive: TetzlaffTobias: Guten Morgen
01:10 AM IchGucksLive: TetzlaffTobias: info https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmwhCL92ZQRSVqFe3jGwJSQ/videos
01:33 AM Karl: Join linuxcnc
01:33 AM gloops: you did
01:34 AM IchGucksLive: karl du bist hier
01:34 AM IchGucksLive: Karl: guten morgen
01:35 AM gloops: ever made a spindle encoder Ichs?
01:38 AM IchGucksLive: yes
01:38 AM IchGucksLive: for lathe mi is 120 holes
01:38 AM IchGucksLive: you need 2 lightgates
01:38 AM gloops: photosensors?
01:38 AM IchGucksLive: one detects hole one the space between
01:38 AM IchGucksLive: yes
01:39 AM gloops: hmm will have to look into that some day
01:39 AM IchGucksLive: best to get them 90deg apart
01:39 AM TetzlaffTobias: Guten Morgen.
01:39 AM IchGucksLive: TetzlaffTobias: Guten Morgen
01:39 AM IchGucksLive: ich sitze in Zweibrücken
01:39 AM gloops: how about using a crankshaft position sensor off a car?
01:39 AM TetzlaffTobias: Ich bin Toby, und habe gestern abend das erste mal etwas mit LinixCNC getestet.
01:40 AM IchGucksLive: klasse
01:40 AM archivist: gloops you can make this style http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=starturn+encoder+pd
01:40 AM TetzlaffTobias: IchGucksLive, habe dein Video gesehen, daher bin ich hier.
01:40 AM IchGucksLive: <- Smiles
01:40 AM archivist: or use a normal encoder with a belt coupling
01:40 AM TetzlaffTobias: Ich habe zufällig das gleiche BOB und auch den China VFD.
01:41 AM gloops: could a layman make that archivist? like someone without much electronics knowledge
01:42 AM MarcelineVQ: gloops: yes
01:42 AM TetzlaffTobias: Da ich ein 3D Projekt machen möchte, mit Mach3 aber immer wieder Probleme hatte, Versatz in Z, bzw. kontinuirliche Schrittverluste, möchte ich es mal mit LinuxCNC testen. Sollte es klappen, kann ich zumindest die Mechanik ausschließen.
01:42 AM gloops: excellent
01:42 AM IchGucksLive: TetzlaffTobias: davon habe ich diesesjahr schon 60 verbaut
01:43 AM gloops: so for a lathe say, whats the difference between using an encoder on a motor, or using a servo?
01:43 AM gloops: why not just use a servo?
01:43 AM MarcelineVQ: gloops: not the prettiest devices made by this guy, but a simple example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIUrnR8bLAI
01:43 AM archivist: gloops, I have made and mounted the disk part on the mill spindle but not got around to the optos yet
01:43 AM IchGucksLive: archivist: howmany holes
01:43 AM archivist: 40+
01:44 AM archivist: low enough that you can use a parallel port
01:44 AM gloops: i wached that yeah Marcel - but without sound
01:45 AM archivist: the spindle encoder on the hobbing machine is a cheap 100 line one
01:45 AM gloops: what kind of accuracy?
01:46 AM archivist: needs to be reasonable to avoid putting noise into the following loop
01:47 AM gloops: why wouldnt you just use a servo or big stepper though?
01:47 AM IchGucksLive: archivist: parport will detect 240 holes at 2k rpm
01:49 AM archivist: steppers are not a lot of use for spindles
01:49 AM archivist: speed limits
01:50 AM archivist: in tapping and screw cutting the other axes are following so dont need but can use a servo on the spindle
01:51 AM archivist: you do need the cutting force though
01:54 AM Deejay: moin
01:56 AM archivist: when I set up hobbing I monitor the speeds on two dials, to avoid going over the parport count rate (which varies per pc rate)
01:57 AM archivist: http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_12_30_JS_hobbing_machine/IMG_1731.JPG
01:57 AM archivist: red line, edges may be lost
02:03 AM IchGucksLive: archivist: is this the C10 BOB
02:04 AM archivist: that was the customers own rubbish BOB
02:06 AM archivist: it had series resistors and output optos so did not drive the stepper driver properly
02:07 AM IchGucksLive: this bob semas to not have the 817 ultrafast optos
02:08 AM archivist: also used A+B encoder so the edges are twice as often as a simple encoder
02:09 AM archivist: there is a 330 ohm in the board and the driver to driver LED not driven at the right current
02:35 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/horizontal-milling-machine-and-many-cutters/162758078125?
02:38 AM archivist: I would rather one of the adcock & shipley
02:39 AM archivist: no outer support on that by the look of it
02:42 AM gloops: nice little one - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Centec-2-horizontal-milling-machine/172991239957?
02:43 AM gloops: dovetails
02:44 AM archivist: model engineer size
02:45 AM gloops: go for a lot more
02:46 AM archivist: I could have had http://www.archivist.info/cnc/works/P1010206.JPG
02:46 AM archivist: similar hand feed table
02:47 AM gloops: can do a lot on those
02:47 AM archivist: that was used for slotting clock winding keys
02:49 AM archivist: cant see the prop that was holding up the wall in the old works pics
02:50 AM gloops: well, not much building for me for a couple of weeks only at weekends, was hoping to get to rolling chassis stage, pretty quick after that
02:50 AM gloops: so looking at xmas
02:52 AM IchGucksLive: bye
03:37 AM Stelios: hello there guys
03:38 AM Stelios: I am new to LCNC and i was here yesterday speaking with #archivist
03:38 AM Stelios: he told me to buy a breakout board http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-Axis-MACH3-CNC-Breakout-Board-Interface-for-Stepper-Motor-Driver/121924104910?epid=1544221702&hash=item1c633e32ce:g:jXsAAOSwDNdVjj88
03:38 AM Stelios: this one
03:39 AM Stelios: Do any of you know any good tutorial so i can config it and start using LCNC coz i can tell it is diferent from MAch3
03:42 AM jelly-home is now known as jelly
03:43 AM archivist: that but from almost any supplier
03:44 AM archivist: we have a huge manual rather than tutorials on each possible setup
03:44 AM archivist: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/stepconf.html
03:45 AM archivist: is the simple way to configure a stepper system
03:47 AM Stelios: hey hello archivist
03:47 AM Stelios: i have this board here and i installed LCNC on the pc
03:48 AM archivist: start stepconf and configure and test axes
03:55 AM Stelios: Yea i am reading the link you send
04:08 AM monkeyisl: yo
04:09 AM monkeyisl: so how could i read something from VFD?
04:09 AM archivist: some use modbus to do that
04:09 AM monkeyisl: i have r+,r- but ti's for RX, not TX.. i wanna read something from VFD.. for example Current.. etc
04:09 AM monkeyisl: oh is that bidirectiona? of course not right?
04:10 AM archivist: you have to read your vfd manual to see what is available
04:10 AM monkeyisl: i don't have any TX.
04:11 AM monkeyisl: rs485 bus is fixed Rx, Tx in most case. so.. i'd better find antoher way
04:13 AM monkeyisl: ⑵ ASCII（American Standard Code for information interchange）mode
04:13 AM monkeyisl: what...weird interchange??? .. time to read
04:28 AM monkeyisl: ascii ... ithought the last i was for specific.. .. anyway this cheap trash dones' thave feedback via rs485.. k.
04:50 AM monkeyisl: 0～10V analog output, corresponding to output current. 0～10V corresponds to 0～two times of the rated current of the inverter.
04:50 AM monkeyisl: 7i76 has ADC?
04:51 AM archivist: I would have to read the manual to say
04:53 AM monkeyisl: lol there is !. but +-5% but probably ok ....hm..
05:02 AM gonzo_: I have recently had to look at the same thing. In my case, I wanted to command the VFD via RS485. But I eventually took the analogue route. So i have a pwmgen, generating my 0-10V to drive the VFD
05:04 AM monkeyisl: ahh ok..
05:05 AM gonzo_: I have current mlimits set on the VFD, so I don't have to read them and limit in linuxcnc
05:06 AM monkeyisl: which one you have?
05:06 AM gonzo_: I on't know if I could have set up an RS48driver module (sw) along side the HM2
05:06 AM gonzo_: Whuch whT?
05:06 AM gonzo_: what
05:06 AM gonzo_: agh.... Which what?
05:06 AM monkeyisl: current monitor or limiter?
05:06 AM gonzo_: my VFD has current limit options buiot in
05:07 AM monkeyisl: ahh mine probably same.
05:08 AM monkeyisl: i'm thinking current to Load. function so i can set my working speed or smoething like that i odn' tknow.. i'll figure out.
05:08 AM gonzo_: I have an ebay special Huan Yang (or something like that)
05:09 AM gonzo_: I can pretty much set the motor speed, based on the drive frequency. Though I have an encoder on the spindle, giving me a feedback
05:10 AM monkeyisl: PRO
05:10 AM gonzo_: next, I am going to try bringing the feedback error and see if it gives a useful indication of the spindle load
05:10 AM monkeyisl: i don't have encoder feedabck i just can read some digital pwm from VFD.
05:10 AM gonzo_: just a cheepie 400ppr £30 encoder
05:10 AM monkeyisl: it can be digital pwm for motor freequency or adc output.
05:11 AM monkeyisl: for current
05:12 AM monkeyisl: i'm scoping digital pwm signal it gives to see if it can be usable on my setup.
05:13 AM monkeyisl: but 7i76 has 485 output TX pins on non-isolated pins.. so i'm afriad hoook it directly to chinkland VFD.
05:15 AM jthornton: damn I fell down last night and my left hand got jacked up
05:15 AM monkeyisl: what?
05:15 AM monkeyisl: from where how height?
05:17 AM jthornton: from standing up to the floor in a blink of an eye
05:18 AM jthornton: makes my other aches and pains go away
05:18 AM XXCoder: monkeyisl: older ya are the worse falls are
05:19 AM jthornton: yea my buddy and I are the same age for 6 weeks then he gets older than me lol
05:19 AM jthornton: one of the over the hill biker gang turned 70 the other day
05:20 AM archivist: I had to patch up a 70+ the other week when he fell over
05:20 AM archivist: dont do that!
05:21 AM jthornton: worst part I can't remember why I fell down
05:49 AM jthornton: 25F
05:49 AM XXCoder: hit your head?
05:49 AM jthornton: no
05:55 AM XXCoder: ok
05:55 AM XXCoder: hows hand
05:56 AM jthornton: a bit tender on the middle two finger joints
05:56 AM jthornton: not broken but sore
07:06 AM Tom_L: 24°F
07:06 AM Tom_L: man where did that come from while i was gone...
07:08 AM XXCoder: you forgot to turn on town heater
07:54 AM malcom2073: "What are you trying to warm the neighborhood?" Well... the neighbors sure would appreciate it if we did
07:55 AM SpeedEvil: It works if everyone cooperates.
07:55 AM SpeedEvil: That's the problem
08:08 AM Frank_10: hiiiiiiiiiii
08:43 AM CaptHindsight: same here, frosticles everywhere
08:44 AM gregcnc: capt did you check the plastic bushing on your variable drive in the 5900? i didn't know anything about them. Got an email from a guy asking about balancing his pulleys after making new keyways
08:48 AM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: don't know anything about this. 5900?
08:48 AM gregcnc: calusing variable speed
08:48 AM gregcnc: if it's doesn't wobble or rattle it's probably ok
08:49 AM gregcnc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPOSb_VhQq8
08:49 AM CaptHindsight: ah, half asleep
08:50 AM CaptHindsight: my bushing is fine
08:51 AM CaptHindsight: 2p motor burned out, replaced with 3ph
08:52 AM CaptHindsight: even the hydraulic cylinder is fine, after drain and refill + purge
08:52 AM gregcnc: all the threads on PM have photobuck pics so not much to see
08:52 AM CaptHindsight: I have the complete set of docs if you/he wants
08:53 AM gregcnc: yeha i found onthe net
08:53 AM CaptHindsight: for the 5900
08:53 AM gregcnc: 4900 is alsmot the same but no variable
08:54 AM gregcnc: http://wess.freeshell.org/driven_green.jpg
08:55 AM CaptHindsight: looks familiar, I had it apart earlier in the summer
08:57 AM gregcnc: apparently people run them until the keyways wear out after the plastic/epoxy bushing wears
08:57 AM gregcnc: http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Clausing-6913-Lathe/06-Variable-Speed-Drive-Wobble/
09:04 AM CaptHindsight: they must have changed the design, I don't recall any plastic bushing in mine
09:17 AM gregcnc: Is there any special way to seal the backup screw in a VDI collet holder?
09:20 AM nallar is now known as Ross
09:52 AM Deejay: re
10:07 AM Connor: Hey guys.. working on a metal/machine shop layout for the Maker Space.. Rather large area, but lots of stuff. Going in what we call the "Clean Side" (machine shop side).. We have the birdgeport, Large Rockwell bandsaw, drill press, lathe, G0704 CNC, 20 Ton Pres, 3-in-1 metal break, roller bender 3x6' bench.. I plan on adding a bottom cabinet toolbox where I can place a 18x24 surface plate on.. How close / far away do you typically
10:08 AM archivist: surface plate on wheels!!!! nooo
10:08 AM Connor: archivist: Was planning on taking the wheels off..
10:09 AM archivist: not sure those drawer units are rigid enough
10:10 AM archivist: but dunno how accurate you want to work to
10:10 AM archivist: marking out type work or what
10:10 AM Connor: Well.. outside of the way we mount the plate.. Shop layout is the question at the moment..
10:11 AM archivist: your question was cut off anyway "far away do you typically"
10:11 AM Connor: How close / far away do you typically want your layout tools and high precession measurement devices from the mill/lathe ?
10:13 AM archivist: one of those is in the shop other is in separate room in the ideal
10:13 AM Connor: I plan on having a rolling tool cart that can be used to place tools being used for a specific job.. so, that's not what this is..
10:15 AM Connor: http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/metal-shop3.png http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/metal-shop4.png
10:15 AM Connor: The shop is a open floor plan.. so, no rooms..
10:16 AM Tom_L: measuring tools should be in a separate climate controlled room
10:17 AM Tom_L: if you want accuracy
10:17 AM SpeedEvil: Ban climate change!
10:17 AM Tom_L: it would never pass any established standard otherwise
10:17 AM CaptHindsight: it's a hoax anyway
10:18 AM SpeedEvil: For best results, operate your standard room at 37C, that way body heat does not disturb things.
10:18 AM Connor: This is a MakerSpace, with 2 bays.. but, we are climate controlled.. it's not a job or production shop.. so nothing super precession.
10:20 AM gregcnc: I thought they weren't smart. this flat earther built a rocket http://wapo.st/2zpVF3C
10:20 AM CaptHindsight: heh, read further...
10:21 AM gregcnc: some good stuff in there
10:21 AM CaptHindsight: he's going to launch himself in it
10:21 AM gregcnc: I think ti will be fatal this time
10:21 AM CaptHindsight: the gene pool fixes itself at times
10:22 AM Connor: Can you all take a look at those layouts and give me some input?
10:22 AM gregcnc: is enleth around he runs a hackerspace
10:24 AM archivist: one could add some screens to keep the dust one end
10:24 AM Connor: that's what we going to do.. place hanging screens between the welding shop and the metalshop.
10:24 AM Connor: err. machine shop.
10:26 AM archivist: dunno how you stop the surface plate being used as an anvil though
10:26 AM SpeedEvil: archivist: hammers
10:28 AM Connor: archivist: That along with the mill table have been a concern. Plan on making a cover that hinges off maybe.. I can't fix stupid though.
10:29 AM gregcnc: Put an advert for a new starrett plate net to it, you chip it you buy it.
10:30 AM SpeedEvil: I would also wonder if there is any use at all for a good surface plate in that environment
10:31 AM Connor: You mean a MakerSpace ?
10:31 AM SpeedEvil: yes
10:31 AM SpeedEvil: generally at least.
10:31 AM Connor: Sure, If I want to layout a line so I can mill down to it.. But, I understand what your saying..
10:32 AM Connor: the mini mill was hardly ever used.. and the wood shop guys would come over and use it..
10:32 AM SpeedEvil: I mean good as in better than (say) 10 thou.
10:33 AM Connor: we have a small surface plate that's not used.. it has a plastic cover over it and it's not messed with except for those who know WTF it's used for.
10:33 AM Connor: Grit and Grime is an issue..
10:33 AM Connor: which is again, why we're moving all the griding and sandblasting crap over to the welding side of the shop.
10:34 AM Connor: FYI, the large 18x24x3 surface plate was given to me when I purchased the bridgeport.. so, I'm not too worried about it..
10:39 AM Connor: I was thinking something like this for the surface plate.. though.. mine is only 3" https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.com/cdcfc6bb-2803-4537-b893-a50d010776b2/d80843ab-f57d-4259-df95-0aba3a3f9a67/540x360.jpg
10:42 AM archivist: not sure the things I have near and use on my plate would fit in those drawers
10:43 AM Connor: I'm thinking calipers, gauge blocks, 1-2-3 blocks, DTI's etc etc..
10:44 AM archivist: often those come in their own cases
10:45 AM archivist: a bigger bench to include space for other measuring gear and parts not on the plate
10:46 AM archivist: I have bench micrometers and comparators nearby
10:46 AM Connor: We don't have anything like that.
10:47 AM Connor: Just basic stuff.
10:48 AM archivist: I thinking when using a height gauge to mark out one would have a bunch of parts and a drawing on the bench
10:48 AM Connor: Also looking for a way to store endmills, lathe bits etc etc on a shelf and not get hidden by stuff in front..
10:49 AM Connor: In one of the layouts, I had the surface plate on the cart, and the cart was at the end of the workbench.
10:49 AM Connor: trying to avoid placing it ON the workbenches..
10:50 AM Connor: because then it WILL be used as a harming surface..
10:53 AM gloops: dont have surface place need welders
10:54 AM Connor: need or near ?
10:54 AM gloops: near sorry
10:54 AM Connor: Yea. exactly.. which is why they're on the other side of the room. :)
10:57 AM Connor: the only other thing I might be able to do, is move the surface plate over to another area of the space.. I.E arts and crafts or 3Dprinting or something.. but.. I don't think they'll go for that.
10:57 AM gloops: what do you make Connor?
10:57 AM Connor: space is at a premium and as little as the surface plate will get used.. just doesn't justify the space usage.
10:58 AM Connor: gloops: This is for a Maker Space. I.E. Community Workshop.
10:58 AM gloops: ahh ok
10:58 AM Connor: I tend to make messes. :)
10:59 AM gloops: should be ok with that
11:00 AM Connor: but, I'm just trying to optimize the machine shop side the best possible way given the current equipment.. The fact that we're not a job or production shop, makes things very different that most..
11:00 AM Connor: I.E. draws and tool boxes are our enemy.. out of sight, out of mind, can't be found.
11:00 AM Connor: Things that can move around (rolling carts etc) are bad in general because they never get put back where they're suppose to be.
11:01 AM Connor: People being stupid using surface plates and mill tables as anvils..
11:01 AM archivist: bench surface or floor is the usual storage
11:02 AM Connor: The benches have to be clutter free.. so, shelfing it is.. I saw some cool angled shelving in a picture (can't find it now) that looked like a neat idea for vises, rotary tables, heavy stuff that you would use on a manual mill..
11:03 AM Connor: makes it easier to lift off or place back.
11:03 AM gloops: thinking back to college, everything was in visible tool holders or on the walls or cupboard doors, well the day to day hand tools and measuring things, cutters etc
11:03 AM Connor: I'm open to ideas on those 2 layouts I linked to few minutes ago..
11:04 AM archivist: 19 inch rack with drawers or shelves near a machine
11:04 AM gloops: at the end of the day everything had to be put back - and you could see exactly what was missing - by the space in the tool holder or whatever
11:04 AM Connor: archivist: What's "near a machine" ?? 5' ? 10' ? 15' ?
11:05 AM gloops: 5 minutes and everything was found and shuffled about - at least the next day started out with some order again
11:05 AM archivist: Connor, vary to suit :)
11:05 AM archivist: seen racks on casters so it is easy to change
11:06 AM Connor: in both those layouts, I have 2 shelfs within 10' of the bridgeport, 5' for the lathe.. and another shelf even closer to the CNC and bridgeport..
11:07 AM gloops: things like this - http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/512DkFNnk2L._SY300_.jpg
11:07 AM gloops: you can see at a glance - theres a hammer missing here, a file missing there, a screwdriver
11:07 AM archivist: never enough space for all the tools
11:08 AM gloops: end of every session - all tools back in their place, very good practice
11:09 AM Connor: gloops: That's the general idea here.. but, this isn't a classroom setting.. people come in, do their projects and leave.. not like at the end of the day where we can say
11:09 AM Connor: shut everything down and cleanup.
11:09 AM Connor: we have to rely on people doing the right thing.
11:09 AM Connor: and I good example of them NOT is our set of indexed drill bits..
11:09 AM Connor: I NEVER take more than one out at a time when using them..
11:11 AM gloops: yeah see what you mean Connor
11:12 AM Connor: BUT, the organizational rational behind school setup is very similar to what's needed in makerspace.
11:12 AM Connor: so that WE can do a quick inventory check by looking around and seeing whats missing etc.
11:14 AM archivist: best way to annoy someone is put the tools he is in the middle of using away
11:15 AM Connor: No joke.
11:15 AM archivist: some bugger did that to me one day...wtf
11:16 AM gloops: what is the relationship between the people who run these places and the people who use them?
11:17 AM gloops: i mean what if you get some total nob treating it badly
11:18 AM Connor: It's a 501c3 org. 100% of volunteer. Members are part of the board and leadership. If a guy starts abusing stuff.. we kick him out. we've yet to have to do it.
11:20 AM archivist: a good group of volunteers can get a lot done
11:22 AM gloops: is this using steppers on spindle and carriage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r6amUUo90w
11:22 AM gloops: 10 year old vid, using emc2
11:23 AM IchGucksLive: hi all bitbreakers
11:24 AM IchGucksLive: archivist: online
11:25 AM archivist: yes
11:25 AM IchGucksLive: stellios asked you this morning on the 5axis i got a video tutorial using stepconf
11:26 AM IchGucksLive: you know ((shoudt)) that this exists
11:27 AM IchGucksLive: archivist: 13k klicks on this board https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I00ArvYvZgI
11:28 AM archivist: I cannot see vids at the moment so dont link them
11:33 AM IchGucksLive: archivist: no problem for me its the users that come and want help
11:33 AM IchGucksLive: TetzlaffTobias: bist du noch da
11:34 AM IchGucksLive: whow 200 emails on cnc today i need a Blond office maid
11:36 AM * Jymmm hands IchGucksLive a wig and fishnet stockings
11:40 AM djdelorie: it's not much of a cnc machine, but it cuts plywood: http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/img_3500.html :-)
11:40 AM IchGucksLive: Jymmm: does this grep me a office lady :P
11:40 AM Jymmm: IchGucksLive: You are woman, we hear you roar!
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: heinz: guten Abend
11:46 AM IchGucksLive: Jymmm: no comment
11:47 AM heinz: guten Abend
11:47 AM gloops: djdelorie if it cuts plywood - it cuts wood
11:48 AM djdelorie: true, but it's sized for plywood. Not a lot of Z range
11:49 AM gloops: how it going with plywood - any problems?
11:49 AM archivist: it can make its own bigger Z
11:49 AM gloops: true
11:50 AM djdelorie: gloops: there's a lot of wobble in the X setup so I need to leave more for the finish pass than I expected
11:50 AM djdelorie: and I need to re-level the table at some point
11:50 AM archivist: add webs to stiffen
11:50 AM djdelorie: archivist: the purpose of this machine, other than to cut plywood, is to learn how to make a better cnc machine :-)
11:50 AM roycroft: *grumble*
11:51 AM roycroft: my vfd and coolant system are due to arrive today, but ups does not show them as out for delivery
11:51 AM djdelorie: archivist: it's bad design, not bad supports
11:51 AM gloops: surface the board?
11:51 AM roycroft: if they don't come today that puts my plans quite a bit behind schedule
11:51 AM djdelorie: it was *literally* something we threw together in a weekend with surplus parts
11:51 AM djdelorie: gloops: I surface the ribs it's sitting on and re-attach
11:51 AM roycroft: i don't do football (at least not american football), so i was planning on spending football time tomorrow with autocad
11:51 AM djdelorie: the board is bigger than the cnc's range
11:52 AM MarcelineVQ: roycroft: they're pretty bad at updating their tracking too :(
11:53 AM roycroft: yeah, i'm not discounting the possibility that my stuff will arrive on time
11:53 AM MarcelineVQ: Mine's on a truck right now for sure but it's not saying that.
11:53 AM roycroft: everything arrived in eugene last night
11:53 AM roycroft: so it *should* be delivered
11:54 AM djdelorie: gloops: the problem is, I took the whole bed out, and there isn't a positive stop for re-attaching it, so the heights are all off again
11:55 AM djdelorie: I'll add a positive stop somehow, put it in that way, and re-surface
11:56 AM phipli: European travel solved
11:56 AM phipli: ordered a CEE 7/7 plug to put on a regular (for me) 4 gang extension
11:56 AM phipli: what more do you need :)
11:56 AM jelly-home is now known as jelly
11:57 AM heinz: Hallo ich hätte mal eine Frage zu USB auf Parallel ( https://www.amazon.de/dp/B007BLLLQI/ref=pe_3044161_185740101_TE_item ) wäre dass das richtige Kabel für ( https://www.ebay.de/itm/DE-CNC-5-Achse-Schrittmotor-Endstufe-Steuerung-Interface-Platine-fur-Mach3/112609468889?hash=item1a380c21d9:g:Dr8AAOSwCPdZ6Kr~
11:58 AM phipli: IchGucksLive!
11:58 AM archivist: tell him nooo usb to parallel
11:58 AM MarcelineVQ: probably most people would suggest getting a parrallel pci card instead of doing that
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: heinz: damit bekommst du keine sichere maschine
11:58 AM phipli: archivist, cunning plan - I didn't read past "ich"
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: heinz: bitte drück mal zweimal auf meine namen
11:59 AM gregcnc: was this someone here? linuxcnc via android phone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENZUb77cibY
12:04 PM JT-Shop: phipli: get that camera working?
12:04 PM IchGucksLive: heinz: was für eine maschine ist es denn
12:05 PM phipli: JT-Shop, not yet
12:05 PM phipli: haven't found any leads yet
12:06 PM heinz: http://www.ebay.de/itm/3-3Nm-Nema24-Schrittmotor-CNC-System-3-Achse-TB6600HG-Endstufe-5A-Peak-45VDC/132355771816?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D49139%26meid%3D3c8e55774edb4f2784d46996617a5c51%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D391913630870&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851#shpCntId&autorefresh=true
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: heinz: schau mal bei dem Deutsachen http://www.ebay.de/itm/DE-3-Axis-Nema23-112mm-Stepper-Motor-Dual-Shaft-425oz-in-3A-CW5045-Driver-CNC-/152789518004
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: heinz: nur 188 euro
12:10 PM IchGucksLive: heinz: nimm die DQ542
12:10 PM roycroft: yay
12:10 PM roycroft: my stuff is finally marked out for delivery
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: heinz: was für eine maschine ist es ob du mehr als 36V brauchst oder ob das reicht
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: heinz: das ist meine mit 36V https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdvROAlCMMQ
12:20 PM heinz: http://www.ebay.de/itm/3-3Nm-Nema24-Schrittmotor-CNC-System-3-Achse-TB6600HG-Endstufe-5A-Peak-45VDC/132355771816?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D49139%26meid%3D3c8e55774edb4f2784d46996617a5c51%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D391913630870&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851#shpCntId&autorefresh=trueIch habe mir das schon bei ebay gekauft habe aber nicht bemerkt das ich es nicht über USB anschliessen kann-
12:20 PM heinz: brauche deshalb einen Adapter
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: heinz: dann kauf dir für 5 euro das Echte board dazu
12:21 PM heinz: wo bitte kann ich das board finden bzw. kaufen?
12:23 PM IchGucksLive: schnell aus deutschland https://www.ebay.de/itm/DE-Ship-5-Axis-MACH3-CNC-Breakout-Board-Interface-for-Stepper-Motor-Driver/331632334051
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: aus bayern https://www.ebay.de/itm/5Axis-Interface-Adaptor-Board-F-Stepper-Motor-Driver-CNC-Schrittmotor-MACH3TE421/162762490572
12:24 PM heinz: Danke Euch
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: Billiger
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: nur 11 euro
12:25 PM IchGucksLive: heinz: die Stecker sind jst-xh-3s
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: in 10 tagen von CN http://www.ebay.de/itm/CNC-5-Axis-Interface-Breakout-Board-fur-Stepper-Motor-Driver-CNC-Mill-MACH3/262500063058 4 weuro
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: TetzlaffTobias: bist du online
12:29 PM TetzlaffTobias: hallo, ja.
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: und gehts
12:36 PM TetzlaffTobias: Icvh habe es noch nicht eingebaut, da ich erst das schild gefräst habe. dabei habe ich allerdings der gleichen Fehler wie mit Mach 3, also den kontinuirlichen verlust in Z.
12:37 PM Loetmichel: TetzlaffTobias: mal kontroilliert ob deine Kupplung der Z-achse noch fest ist?
12:37 PM TetzlaffTobias: Heinz, ich habe das Board von StepperOnline gekauft.
12:37 PM Loetmichel: hat mich mal böse ins knie geschossen
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: mich auch
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: und die mutter hat sich lose gerüttelt
12:37 PM TetzlaffTobias: Habe ich bereits 3x kontrolliert. Auch der Fräser scheint fest zu sein, in der Spannzange.
12:38 PM Loetmichel: wer kommt denn auch auf sowas: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14193
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: Tez hat du mal die Bescheunigung zurückgeommen
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: TetzlaffTobias: deswegen nehme ich nur zahnriemen viel ruiger anlauf
12:39 PM TetzlaffTobias: Ich habe das Festlager, die Kupplung und die KUS Mutter kontrolliert, alles ok.
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: das ist das Anlaufmoment
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: und bei microschritt sind erst recht die kräfte halbiert
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: da kommt noch das FG hinzu
12:40 PM TetzlaffTobias: Ich habe das Schild 2x gefräst. Einmal mit 66 mm/sek bei 500mm^2 und einmal mit 20mm/sek bei 125 mm/s^2. der Fehler ist der gleiche geblieben.
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: dann ist es die mechanik
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: oder vileicht doch der Gcode
12:42 PM Loetmichel: TetzlaffTobias: G1 feedrate ändern hilft nix wenn der fehler beim "G0z2" zurückziehen passiert
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: mal die g0Z2 in G1 z2 f200 ändern
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: und oder den Schiberegler für Eilgang mal auf 50%
12:45 PM TetzlaffTobias: der Code scheint ok zu sein. Ich fräse die "Tasche" auf 0.5mm tiefe. das steht auch überall so im Code.
12:45 PM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel: der hat 16 microschritte drinn da liefert der nur noch 1Nm
12:45 PM IchGucksLive: bei 8 schritten sinds dann 2Nm
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: und bei 2= halfstep voll power
12:46 PM TetzlaffTobias: Bei Mach 3 habe ich G0 auf 1000 begrenzt, keine Änderung zu sehen. Auch im ode hatte ich mal den G0 auf G1 geändert, Fehler bleib weiterhin da.
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: deswegen 400Schritte/U und 20/25 Zahnriementrieb für 0,01
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: das beste was es gibt
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: TetzlaffTobias: mach mal nur 8 microschritte und setze auf 160schritte je mm SCALE
12:47 PM TetzlaffTobias: Ich hatte bereits eine andere Endstufe M542 versucht, auch mit 1/2, 1/4 und 1/8 Schritt. Der Fehler ist immer da.
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: wievil Volt liege am Motor
12:49 PM TetzlaffTobias: Das habe ich nicht gemessen, sorry.
12:49 PM IchGucksLive: nein die endstufe
12:49 PM IchGucksLive: das Netzeil TetzlaffTobias
12:50 PM TetzlaffTobias: 45V, das ist das Letmathe 48V 7.3 A Netzteil, runtergedreht auf 45V.
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: Steht die endstufe Z auf Dauerfeuer nicht das der die endstufe nach 1sec in den ruhezustand setzt
12:50 PM TetzlaffTobias: Hier sieht man den Versatz. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/adfW1UaX/20171122_124657_resized.jpg
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: ist uns schon klar
12:51 PM TetzlaffTobias: Erst wird außen etwas gefräst, dann G0 zur Mitte und von da Rechteckig nach außen, bis zum Versatz. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wKrlyPu2/20171122_104835_resized.jpg
12:51 PM TetzlaffTobias: Ich habe das HalfCurrent deaktiviert, ja.
12:52 PM IchGucksLive: Ich habe nur TR20x4 im einsatz und heute ca 300mal Z 10 und z -.2 und nicht ein hunderstel
12:52 PM TetzlaffTobias: Ich habe mal was von Schrittverlusten beim Richtungswechsel gelesen, das dort immer ein Step verloren geht. Ist da was dran?
12:53 PM IchGucksLive: was hast du da eingegenben 5000,5000,20000,20000
12:53 PM TetzlaffTobias: ja, ganu.
12:53 PM IchGucksLive: moment ich hab ja diene config ich schau nach
12:53 PM IchGucksLive: das sollte gehen
12:53 PM TetzlaffTobias: Passt schon, das sind 5000, 5000, 20000,20000
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: setp stepgen.2.dirhold 35000
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: das passt nicht
12:54 PM TetzlaffTobias: Ich habe diese China DM556D, von RatamMotor, gibt es auch bei Letmathe, dazu gibt es leider keine Infos zu den Timings.
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: da sollten 45000 rein
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: TetzlaffTobias: ich schick dir ne neue config versuchs damit nochmal
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: TetzlaffTobias: verschickt
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: TetzlaffTobias: TIPP unter ansicht die SHOW ofsets ausmachen
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel: den ganzen tag nur pcb
01:01 PM TetzlaffTobias: Danke, ist angekommen. Den Wert kann man im Stepconf aber nicht ändern, oder? Ich habe den nicht gesehen.
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: TetzlaffTobias: das rechnet der stepconf intern
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: TetzlaffTobias: das side panel ist da bei dir
01:19 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
02:08 PM Connor: CNC Plasma tables.. Ballscrew, Belt, Chain, Rack and Pinion?
02:12 PM MarcelineVQ: the units I​ tend to see most often are r&p
02:12 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: ya in?
02:14 PM Connor: Typical Size? 4x8, 5x10, 6x12 ?
02:15 PM Connor: I'm thinking 5 x 10
02:15 PM MarcelineVQ: def want to be able to cut t least 4x8
02:15 PM gloops: chain is a pain in the ass
02:15 PM XXCoder: what is typical metal sheet sizes? like wood ones at 4'x8'?
02:15 PM MarcelineVQ: having to cut a sheet to cut a sheet is awful
02:15 PM gloops: bigger i think XXCoder
02:15 PM Connor: I was thinking doing a 5x10
02:15 PM Connor: Case could be made for a 6x12
02:16 PM XXCoder: well you want machine to be bigger than stock standards
02:16 PM Connor: 36 x 96.36 x 120.36 x 144.48 x 96.48 x 120.48 x 144.
02:16 PM gloops: it isnt that much of a problem, metal sheet suppliers cut with fibre lasers, not much in the price
02:17 PM gloops: you have got setup time per sheet to consider, obviously the larger the sheet the better
02:17 PM MarcelineVQ: around here ther largest you're likely to want to have to transport yourself 5x10
02:17 PM Connor: That came out horribly formatted.. 36 x 96 36 x 120 36 x 144 48 x 96 48 x 120 48 x 144.
02:18 PM gloops: and if you have people waiting for the machine - thats another consideration, maybe be better with 2 smaller ones
02:18 PM Connor: so 3x8, 3x10, 3x12 or 4x8, 4x10, 4x12
02:18 PM gloops: one guy faffing about all day on the only plasma
02:18 PM Connor: Nah.. 2 would be pushing it for the makerspace.
02:19 PM CaptHindsight: Connor: whats your budget? accuracy required? how long should it last?
02:19 PM gloops: everyone will want the plasma table
02:20 PM Connor: CaptHindsight: No answerer to any of those. This is a preliminary data gathering exercise.. First step is to determine the size of the table.
02:20 PM Connor: We know we want to be able to handle 4x8 sheet.. not sure about any thing bigger.
02:20 PM CaptHindsight: Connor: same as any sane project
02:20 PM XXCoder: Connor: then 5x9 should do
02:21 PM XXCoder: you want room
02:21 PM gloops: 48 x 144
02:23 PM CaptHindsight: look for big Cartesian systems on ebay is often the big money saver
02:26 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-plasma-table-5ft-x-10ft-with-water-table-and-water-tank/292236843858 $7k or best
02:27 PM gloops: 7k...pff
02:27 PM gloops: arent you making this yourselves?
02:27 PM CaptHindsight: I will deliver it for free within the 48 states or local pick up also works, it is located in Glendale Arizona.
02:27 PM Connor: yea.. sorry.. It's nice.. but.. the plan is to make our own.
02:28 PM CaptHindsight: just add plasma torch
02:30 PM Connor: What's going to suck is water..
02:30 PM CaptHindsight: expensive on your planet? :)
02:30 PM gloops: what you need is a pile of heavy box section
02:32 PM CaptHindsight: they used a chain drive
02:32 PM Connor: CaptHindsight: No.. Will have to pipe it over to it.. and no drain on that side...
02:33 PM gloops: ive got one with chain, beautiful beautiful means of motion, but unfortunately high maintenance
02:33 PM CaptHindsight: same here, but used 55gal drums are cheap
02:33 PM Connor: How often do you drain it?
02:34 PM CaptHindsight: if it stinks
02:34 PM CaptHindsight: not often
02:34 PM Connor: and how do you keep the water from got stagnant ?
02:35 PM gregcnc: don't feed the bacteria
02:35 PM CaptHindsight: antifreeze and a bactericide antifungal
02:36 PM CaptHindsight: rust is more of a concern
02:36 PM MarcelineVQ: pc coolers often use a silver coil for antimicrobe, some systems can use copper dunno if there's chemical issues with copper at all
02:36 PM Connor: That was my next question... concerns about rust..
02:38 PM CaptHindsight: MarcelineVQ: it's more the antifungal bactericide at work in a PC cooler
02:39 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.no-rosion.com/norosioncoolant.htm
02:39 PM nos: Haii!
02:40 PM CaptHindsight: automotive antifreeze has corrosion inhibitors
02:40 PM nos: http://www.helmancnc.com/fanuc-cnc-direct-programming-of-profile-angles-and-round-edges-example/
02:40 PM CaptHindsight: don't need that one ^^^ just an example
02:40 PM nos: look at this!
02:40 PM MarcelineVQ: oh interesting, says it's good for hard water too
02:40 PM gloops: glycerol?
02:41 PM gloops: grease it
02:42 PM Connor: looks like allot of research in my future.. need to figure out the tank depth.. How much water in the tank.. I.E. 6" below the face of the material, or touching it.. etc..
02:42 PM nos: being able to specify angles to G1 interpolation directly is pretty wild...
02:42 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/FINE-SODICK-INOVA-22-NC-SINKER-EDM-CNC-MACHINE-Model-8100-FS-22-DR-BOX-OPERATES/132375283135 $1500
02:42 PM CaptHindsight: garage size
02:43 PM andypugh: nos: LinuxCNC lets you use polar coordinates, but that is different.
02:43 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ex-Cell-o-sinker-EDM-Odyssey-IC-50-90-Amps-peak/141563072324 $700
02:43 PM andypugh: nos: Though as LinuxCNC allows you to use SIN and COS there is actually a way.
02:44 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: looking for an EDM? ^^
02:44 PM nos: andypugh: neat! you mean sin and cos ina macro?
02:44 PM gloops: in the battle of stalingrad, both sides were issued with copious amounts of glycerol, for the vehicle engines, the germans diligently maintained their vehicles of course, the russian troops drank theirs
02:44 PM gloops: and the russians did better
02:45 PM andypugh: G1 X[SIN[#<hypot>]] Y[COS[#<hypot>]]
02:45 PM nos: oooh
02:45 PM CaptHindsight: looks like math
02:45 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hansvedt-150-B-Sinker-EDM/142582379827
02:45 PM CaptHindsight: benchtop ^^
02:46 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: the Stalinist Soviets lied!
02:47 PM gloops: its fine diluted
02:47 PM nos: andypugh: andypugh looks like Fanuc has the same in-line macro syntax, and SIN and COS too. :)
02:48 PM nos: So this is super useful... if I can do this the same way on both systems
02:48 PM CaptHindsight: Connor: look for a deal on box tubing
02:48 PM andypugh: gloops: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_diethylene_glycol_wine_scandal
02:48 PM gregcnc: sinker could be useful if i had any bench space left
02:49 PM Connor: Yea. We have a recycler near by which probably has some good deals.
02:49 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: amazing how space always gets taken up
02:49 PM gregcnc: need to find more space hoepfully this spring
02:49 PM XXCoder: 65f 85% humid dang
02:49 PM CaptHindsight: Connor: coat the tank with resin
02:49 PM XXCoder: very high humidity for this season
02:49 PM CaptHindsight: resin/epoxy
02:50 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: will trade you, 33F here
02:50 PM CaptHindsight: 60% humidity
02:52 PM CaptHindsight: Connor: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bondo-Fiberglass-Resin-1-Gallon/17130349 it's pourable, not body filler
02:52 PM CaptHindsight: aka boat resin
02:53 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Eh, let em drown ;)
02:56 PM CaptHindsight: low cost polyester resin cured with MEKP
02:56 PM CaptHindsight: waterproof
02:56 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: how things up in the woods?
02:59 PM gloops: seem to remember that andypugh, and more recent cases of fake vodka and so on in the UK
03:00 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: fancy
03:01 PM gloops: the advice is if you drink antifreeze - to drink large amount of alcohol, until you get to hopsital - liver cant convert the toxins in antifreeze while its dealing with alcohol
03:10 PM chopper79: hello
03:11 PM gloops: evening
03:12 PM chopper79: Interested in using a minimal install of linux debian for my lcnc build. I was thinking that since I needed to do a preempt rt and uspace install anyway that a minimal build would be good to start with. The reason is that I do not want all the extra stuff that is in the normal build. Anybody seeany issues with that since everyting will need built form source anyway?
03:14 PM cradek: you can remove debian packages if you don't like having them
03:14 PM gloops: fast - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kN5iqVO67g
03:15 PM gloops: The first 10kW 4 metre X 2 metre laser in the UK with automation
03:19 PM chopper79: cradek: Just use package manager to do this?
03:20 PM cradek: sure
03:22 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: you should put together a book of shop tips like that :)
03:24 PM MarcelineVQ: that all involve drinking :>
03:24 PM SpeedEvil: gloops: methanol also, just drink ethanol
03:24 PM nos: gloops: very cool
03:24 PM CaptHindsight: accidental: antifreeze ingestion, severing of body part, acetylene fire in line, etc
03:25 PM gloops: every machinists whats what
03:26 PM gloops: nos not the biggest 10kw by far, but that auto loading system - machine will never be still
03:36 PM nos: neat
03:36 PM chopper79: cradek: Thanks I will give it a try.
03:36 PM nos: yeah, W is joules per second, so it doesn't matter if you have 1MW and only use it 100th of the time
03:37 PM chopper79: Once I get this usb drive to become bootable..... keeps telling me that the there is no kernal when I go tto boot from it. I had this issue with unetbootin before and forgot what I did to fix it.
03:38 PM JT-Shop: I hate when that happens :)
03:38 PM chopper79: Some reason I think I fixed it by unistalling it and using win32diskimager instead... but dont remember.
03:39 PM chopper79: Maybe i have a bad download also... hmm. Going to check into that as well.
03:45 PM chopper79: JT-Shop: Since you use Mint on some of your builds how has touchscreen support been vs debian ?
03:45 PM JT-Shop: the only touch screen I have is on Ubuntu 10.04 :( and it still works...
03:49 PM chopper79: I used one on debian abotu a year ago and it was a tough time getting everything to work well. Ubuntu just worked, but never tried mint. I have a mint build on my VMC but no tcouh screen. Just trying to decide if I want to do a wheezy build or a mint mate 18 build.
03:49 PM chopper79: Have a large touch screen I would like to use on this one.
03:51 PM chopper79: Some reason I thought the touch scrren support was far better in Mint and Ubuntu then is was in Debian. Could be wrong on that also.
03:54 PM hazzy: chopper79: I use Rufus or Etcher to make bootable USBs, I have never had Etcher make a USB that would not boot: https://etcher.io/
03:55 PM chopper79: Cool... I will try it as I have tried unetbootin and win32 and neither produced a bootable drive for me. Normally it goes pretty smooth.
03:58 PM JT-Shop: chopper79: boot from a livecd and check out the touch screen
03:59 PM chopper79: etcher gave me a warning that the image did not contain a bootable partition. wonder if I have a bad download after all?
04:00 PM chopper79: JT-Shop: good call I did not think to do that. I will try that once I get an image to work for me.
04:00 PM chopper79: I selected ok on etcher and we will see what happens.
04:03 PM chopper79: Same issue as the others.... looks like I need to redownload the iso file
04:12 PM Deejay: gn8
04:30 PM CaptHindsight: chopper79: https://github.com/JoseExposito/touchegg shows promise
04:31 PM CaptHindsight: chopper79: let us know if you try it, I haven't had a chance yet
04:39 PM chopper79: Thank I will check it out later tonight
04:49 PM MarcelineVQ: anyone have a preferred paint marker (pen) brand?
04:53 PM sync: edding
04:56 PM MarcelineVQ: thank you
05:10 PM skunkworks: it seems to be pretty good I think.. Although I haven't switched to voltage input yet.
05:11 PM skunkworks: heh - wrong window
05:12 PM CaptHindsight: chopper79: last time we tried using 23" touch panels with LCNC everybody asked for a mouse and keyboard after a few days
05:12 PM CaptHindsight: was before touchegg was out
05:13 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model/UM.VT2AA.A01 were similar to these
05:30 PM chopper79: CaptHindsight: This build will include the mouse and keyboard as well. I use all 3 as simple things I just touch the screen but editing and other odd and ends I use the keyboard and mouse. Also use the mouse for the jog and feerate sliders. I can not get the accurancy touching as I can with the mouse.
05:40 PM dioz: what should i get guys... passthrough socket set? or some ratcheting wrneches?
05:40 PM dioz: i hang a lot of things from ready rod
05:40 PM MarcelineVQ: I've only got a couple ratches wrenches but when they actually managed to fit into the space you're trying to use them in they're really nice
05:41 PM MarcelineVQ: that foible is an important one though
05:44 PM MarcelineVQ: never used a passthrough but looking at them I can see why you'd wonder which one to pick if you could only have one
05:45 PM MarcelineVQ: seems like both basically depend on the clearances you've had to work with on jobs in your lifetime
05:53 PM dioz: MarcelineVQ: what we do is take beam clamps and hang from the roof truss with ready rod and perferated universal strut
05:53 PM dioz: it makes a trapeze hanger kind of
05:53 PM dioz: hang pipe in it or duct or electrical racks, etc.
05:54 PM dioz: and we'll make them long then cut off the excess once we've got it to the heights we need
05:54 PM dioz: so i need either hollow shaft 9/16 (3/8 rod)
05:54 PM dioz: that's like... 2 feet long
05:54 PM dioz: hollow shank 9/16
05:54 PM dioz: or like... pass through wrenches of sorts
05:56 PM dioz: something like this
05:56 PM dioz: https://www.amazon.com/Makita-B-43315-Hollow-Socket-12-Inch/dp/B00R2HHMF0
05:56 PM MarcelineVQ: If your stickout is more than a fw inches I wonder if an open ended ratcheting wrench wouldn't be appropriate
05:56 PM dioz: wondering if i couldn't make one... mill out the ass end of one of my old 9/16 sockets and tack it inside some hollow round
05:57 PM dioz: i also have to spin a lot of threaded rod (ready rod) into ceiler hanger aparatus
05:57 PM dioz: wonder if there isn't a faster way to thread that shit in
05:57 PM dioz: some kind of attachment for an impact
05:58 PM MarcelineVQ: they make hydraulic ratchet box-wrenches, probably make air, hmm
05:59 PM dioz: 'eh. battery operated. i don't have a compressor i'm willing to lug around
05:59 PM dioz: then power
06:00 PM CaptHindsight: crow foot?
06:01 PM CaptHindsight: yes pneumatic wrenches
06:02 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/category_air-tools-compressors+air-impact-wrenches
06:03 PM CaptHindsight: wonderful knuckle savers
06:03 PM dioz: 18v battery
06:04 PM dioz: my old man is a grease monkey and he couldn't believe me 18v would whack off 90 pound lugs
06:04 PM dioz: bosch
06:04 PM dioz: i had to hit it for about 7 or 8 seconds
06:04 PM dioz: but it broken 'em loose
06:04 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/category_air-tools-compressors+air-tools-accessories+air-ratchet-wrenches
06:05 PM dioz: he showed me his old snapon impact
06:05 PM dioz: WHACKA WHACKA WHACKA
06:05 PM dioz: took like 4 blows
06:06 PM dioz: i'm wondering if ordering a 10 x 5 plasma table wouldn't be less issues than making one
06:07 PM dioz: wondering how much a 8' brake and a 5 foot shear and a 10 x 5 plasma table would set me back
06:07 PM dioz: i wonder how long it would take me to pay it off if i built everything in house instead of ordering it from the supplier
06:07 PM dioz: i'd also need a pitsburger and a ease-edger i guess
06:07 PM andypugh: My 18V impact wrench undud the clutch centre bolt on my bike. Paid for itself right there.
06:08 PM dioz: i figure i could drop about $15,000 total
06:11 PM skunkworks: andypugh, or a pully off of an alternator... they really do come in handy
06:11 PM skunkworks: I seem to break a lot less rusty bolts using an impact wrench
06:12 PM dioz: is waterjet better than plasma for sheet metal?
06:12 PM CaptHindsight: especially when soaked in penetration oil first
06:12 PM dioz: i guess it would probably depend on how thick it is
06:12 PM dioz: like plate vs. 12 gauge or whatever
06:13 PM CaptHindsight: everyone looking forward to turkey day tomorrow? :)
06:15 PM skunkworks: house is clean-ish. yes
06:15 PM CaptHindsight: with little kids its a near impossible task
06:29 PM skunkworks: got that right
06:42 PM chopper79: JT-Shop: Mint live, touch screen is dead on and works perfect.
07:18 PM andypugh: CaptHindsight: What’s Turkey day?
07:18 PM tiwake: tomorrow
07:19 PM tiwake: slaughter a turkey, pluck the feathers, and cook it for dinner
07:19 PM tiwake: turkey day
07:19 PM andypugh: 28th October? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_Day_(Turkey)
07:20 PM tiwake: andypugh: if they have feathers, they are fair game
07:20 PM Tom_L: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving
07:20 PM tiwake: getting ready to make an apple pie myself
07:20 PM tiwake: but
07:20 PM Tom_L: the one day a year americans will admit they eat too much
07:21 PM tiwake: I can't decide if I want to pre-cook the crust or not
07:21 PM tiwake: should I?
07:21 PM Tom_L: no
07:21 PM andypugh: No, you don’t blind-bake an apple pie. Tha would just be wrong.
07:22 PM andypugh: They are meant to be alightly soggy in the crust.
07:22 PM tiwake: just checking
07:22 PM Tom_L: i prefer pumpkin anyway
07:22 PM tiwake: I...
07:23 PM tiwake: hmm... I might have a can of pumpkin puree
07:25 PM tiwake: Tom_L: also, I normally don't eat much of anything... heh
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: gobble gobble
07:36 PM hazzy: haha, my mother made 124 pies (most personal size) of all different kinds. pumpkin, cherry, apple, mincemeat, pecan, gooseberry, blubbery, and I am sure others I am forgetting. Most of the fruit grown on our property or picked locally
07:37 PM hazzy: A bit crazy, but fun
07:37 PM CaptHindsight: that's dedication!
07:38 PM CaptHindsight: andypugh: today is the day that starts off the year end tradition of not being able to get anything done until January
07:38 PM BeachBumPete: Happy Thanksgiving everyone
07:39 PM andypugh: Not much point me hoping from any input from my US colleagues tomorrow then?
07:39 PM CaptHindsight: not until Monday
07:40 PM CaptHindsight: Christmas is a Monday this year, also New years
07:41 PM BeachBumPete: Damn that sucks
07:45 PM CaptHindsight: so I should run out of welding gas later today or tomorrow
07:45 PM CaptHindsight: since nobody will be open until Monday
07:45 PM BeachBumPete: I hope to be doing the same if that damn tube bender ever gets here LOL
07:46 PM CaptHindsight: i bought extra 300cf tanks just for this
07:47 PM gregcnc: are you cooking you turkey with welding gas?
07:47 PM CaptHindsight: hehe
07:47 PM CaptHindsight: not having Turkey this year
07:47 PM gregcnc: Tofurkey
07:48 PM BeachBumPete: GASP
07:48 PM CaptHindsight: the vote came up with Salmon
07:48 PM CaptHindsight: a few years ago we all went out for middle eastern food
07:49 PM BeachBumPete: Damn it is gonna be nice to have four days off in a row tho
07:50 PM CaptHindsight: BeachBumPete: how is the weather?
07:50 PM BeachBumPete: it was beautiful today actually
07:50 PM CaptHindsight: 30-ish here and clouds
07:51 PM CaptHindsight: Friday might be 50F again
07:51 PM CaptHindsight: we had no 50-60's this fall
07:51 PM BeachBumPete: https://i.imgur.com/3IxmWN4.jpg
07:51 PM gregcnc: typical summer..winter
07:52 PM BeachBumPete: took that picture this morning at a condo I am working in.
07:52 PM CaptHindsight: went from summer to 40's and lower
07:53 PM CaptHindsight: oh how awful :)
07:54 PM BeachBumPete: Gonna take the Kayak out either tomorrow morning or Friday morning depending on the winds...
08:28 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete weather pretty nice there?
08:28 PM BeachBumPete: yup sure is... see above pic ;)
08:28 PM Tom_L: surprised to see ppl still swimming at the beach couple days ago
08:29 PM Tom_L: just returned last night
08:29 PM Tom_L: after a flight delay
08:29 PM Tom_L: nav computer died on the plane
08:29 PM BeachBumPete: there are ALWAYS people swimming at the beach here hehe
08:30 PM Tom_L: we went down to tybee island while we were in Savannah
08:32 PM BeachBumPete: nice
08:32 PM Tom_L: went to an old fort down there
08:32 PM Tom_L: civil war
08:32 PM jdh: check Tybee vs. BeachBumPete-land https://ecowatch.ncddc.noaa.gov/JAG/Navy/data/satellite_analysis/gsscofa.gif
08:35 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/Tybee.jpg
08:38 PM jdh: heh, I have a very similar pic
08:51 PM Tom_L: yeah we came back and i think the overnight low was 24F
11:41 PM Contract_Pilot: Evening all...
11:57 PM hazzy: Happy Thanksgiving yall in the US!