#linuxcnc Logs
Nov 18 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:03 AM * gloops wants servos
12:05 AM chopper79: butt cheeks were tight for sure.....
12:07 AM gloops: thats fast
12:07 AM chopper79: Z axis will be set for 300ipm with 30s/s accel and I will drop the X and Y to about 700ipm with 30s/s accel values. Keep some wear off the mechanics
12:08 AM chopper79: Not seeing much of a need for 60s/s accel values at all. Just break stuff faster I would think.
12:08 AM gloops: any pics of the machine chopper?
12:09 AM chopper79: Not yet as it is a new product for me and not ready to release pics yet ...sorry I am kinda odd like that.
12:09 AM gloops: yeah there are other limiting factors, tool deflection and so on
12:09 AM gloops: no worries im the same haha
12:11 AM chopper79: All structural steel parts, hiwin rails and ballscrews, water cooled spindle w/cooling system, mpg, auto tool touch off, etc. Nice machine for sure and want to make it a turn key all done ready to rock and roll package.
12:11 AM chopper79: Welded frame and had it stress relieved and then machined it on large horizontal in one setup.
12:12 AM gloops: well thats how to do it, i think the trap with this is to start off crappy then get caught up in a cycle of constantly improving rebuilding the machine till its ok
12:12 AM gloops: ends up wasting loads of time and costing more than doing it right first time
12:13 AM chopper79: I agree.... I started my business idea based ona previous business model and about half way through the first build I sat had a beer and decided to be true to my vision. Now tha one sits and collects dust not finished and went with my gut
12:14 AM chopper79: First one was extrusion based with lead screws and steppers. Nothing wrong with that, but it did not fit my business model after I decided to run with my own vision.
12:16 AM gloops: yes, i dont pretend to talk from experience, but the successful people ive known have been like that
12:18 AM chopper79: Hard telling if my vision will work, but I will not sell myself out just to earn a buck. I have to be proud and truely stand behind my stuff so it better be what I want it to be....haha
12:18 AM gloops: implementing half a good idea usually doesnt work
12:21 AM gloops: it will work, $250 an hour so they tell me - for cnc router contracting in the usa
12:23 AM chopper79: Hope so... Well I have to hit the sack. Tons to do this weekend trying to get all the odds and ends finished. Have a good one!!
12:25 AM gloops: adios
01:02 AM IchGucksLive: morning from cloudy germany
01:14 AM gloops: howdy
01:14 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
01:14 AM IchGucksLive: Hyanyang conected me on the video and woudt like to set a add
01:18 AM gloops: should be in for some commission then Ichs
01:18 AM gloops: some freebies maybe
01:26 AM miss0r: Mornin'
01:37 AM gloops: just playing with voronoi patterns, blender and meshlab, blender - https://postimg.org/image/c6y2llwwl/ meshlab - https://postimg.org/image/3pykaaf8l/
01:40 AM gloops: could cut that with 3 axis, if you flipped it, something in these im sure, with some neon light strips or something
01:44 AM miss0r: What the hell am I looking at?
01:46 AM IchGucksLive: gloops: what whoudt that be for
01:48 AM gloops: use your imagination lol
01:50 AM miss0r: as it: 'it can be whatever you want it to be' or 'it has a real purpose, try'n guess it' ?
01:50 AM gloops: not a particularly good pattern, you can vary the number of holes, to have much closer knit maybe
01:50 AM gloops: it is popular in some artistic fields
01:51 AM IchGucksLive: this University face mesh tool is cool
01:51 AM IchGucksLive: http://cvl-demos.cs.nott.ac.uk/vrn/
01:51 AM IchGucksLive: its also a free github
01:52 AM IchGucksLive: https://github.com/AaronJackson/vrn
01:53 AM gloops: well, you can make depth maps from greyscale with 'some' success
01:55 AM gloops: miss0r wall art, cabinets, mirrors all kinds of stuff that people buy
01:55 AM miss0r: I'm not sure I like these 'people' you speak of :]
02:00 AM gloops: you could mill an alu coffee table out of half a tonne of ally
02:01 AM gloops: https://i.pinimg.com/236x/aa/d8/f5/aad8f5e87ed1c85b15222ffef73b62ec.jpg
02:02 AM miss0r: Now thats a pretty cool idea
02:02 AM miss0r: With my mill its gonna be a somewhat small table, thou :]
02:03 AM Deejay: moin
02:03 AM miss0r: mornin'
02:03 AM miss0r: What are you up to?
02:08 AM archivist: wasting time of irc :)
02:08 AM archivist: of/on
02:08 AM miss0r: Thats what I do at the moment. Waiting for a customer to show up
02:13 AM miss0r: I had an awfull idea this morning in the shower - Make some of the kids BRIO trains in aluminium on the mill, so he wouldn't be able to break them all the time. I was standing there marveling in my own genious for a few seconds, until it occured to me, that thoes train would just break the all surfaces it came into contact with instead, i.e. floor, wall, window, tables ect. so I discarted the idea
02:14 AM archivist: make in rubber
02:14 AM gloops: or plastic
02:14 AM miss0r: the original are made of pretty high quality wood & plastic. that that does not stand up to his abuse
02:15 AM * gloops realises that hpc pulleys make a machine look like chitty chitty bang bang
02:15 AM miss0r: gloops: Thats a one way ticked to that notorius generic chinesium look
02:15 AM miss0r: archivist: Hmm. Perhaps I could super chill rubber and then mill it
02:16 AM gloops: well ill go with it miss0r, ill just add some eyebrows to them
02:16 AM archivist: miss0r, we had rollers made, they do freeze then machine even grind
02:17 AM gloops: i need some planer rollers re-rubbering
02:17 AM miss0r: gloops: Why not use aluminium? it has alot of advantages + its easier to machine
02:17 AM gloops: beyond diy i think
02:17 AM miss0r: archivist: Even grind... heh I would have never thought
02:18 AM gloops: missor doesnt work on wood - would slip, theyre steel rollers with rubber surface, worn out, theyre pretty expensive
02:18 AM miss0r: ahh. indeed.
02:18 AM gloops: wondered if some rubber tube could be used to sleeve them, probably some cheap hacks on youtube
02:18 AM * miss0r is wondering if you can make a light gnarling pattern in them
02:19 AM miss0r: That way you could almost have it work as a rack and pinion
02:19 AM archivist: miss0r, I have seen wood grinding at a fishing float maker
02:19 AM miss0r: I can understand that. but grinding frozen rubber... thats has me baffled
02:19 AM gloops: you could, we once made some nylon rollers, they slipped, so knurled them, still slipped but also marked the wood
02:20 AM gloops: anyway dont need them right away
02:20 AM miss0r: but HPC will surely slip then?
02:21 AM miss0r: gloops: what about casting some urethane rubber on thoes original rollers?
02:21 AM gloops: hpc is the brand of some timing pulleys im looking at
02:21 AM * miss0r is mixing stuff together now :]
02:22 AM gloops: that might work miss0r, ive got some vinamold runner but its very soft, i think they do harder versions
02:22 AM gloops: vinamold rubber
02:22 AM miss0r: they do a whole range of that stuff.
02:22 AM gloops: the stuff on the original rollers is like car tyre rubber
02:22 AM miss0r: I've only ever looked at it, thou
02:23 AM gloops: its ok, its no match for silicone though
02:24 AM miss0r: hmm.. well traction wise I would agree. But urethane rubber is more wear proof
02:25 AM gloops: i might look at some way of doing that
02:25 AM miss0r: silicone is very flexible. but it tends to rip under stress if theres even a small crack
02:26 AM gloops: it would need to be pretty hard, planer blade hacking at the wood, with soft rubber it would just chuck the wood back at it
02:26 AM gloops: i dunno though it might work
02:27 AM miss0r: I was thinking medium density urethane rubber. but only a 1mm thick layer (to reduce flexibility)
02:27 AM IchGucksLive: till later
02:30 AM gloops: that idea of freezing the rubber is good though, maybe i could get a thicker layer on rough, and turn it down, would be a pain getting a precise thin layer on
02:31 AM miss0r: I was thinking you could make a mold of aluminium, with a centering pin inside it. and just spray it with mold release. That would make a pretty precise layer
02:31 AM miss0r: As I understand it, you can mix it to be very easy flowing
02:32 AM miss0r: What is the application anyway? :)
02:32 AM gloops: planer thicknesser
02:33 AM miss0r: hmm... So would it even matter if the rubber cast is off my a few 1/10 mm ?
02:33 AM gloops: two roller take the wood through the planer, the rollers have some pretty strong springs pulling them into the wood
02:33 AM gloops: it would matter for anything to do with the accuracy of the cutting, the rollers press the wood onto a machine table
02:33 AM gloops: wouldnt matter
02:33 AM gloops: it might matter for traction
02:34 AM miss0r: hmm.. What are the dimentions of thoes rollers?
02:35 AM gloops: https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrIQcqH8A9auRgAm1J3Bwx.?
02:35 AM gloops: https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrIQcqH8A9auRgAm1J3Bwx.?p=planer+thicknesser+rubber+rollers&fr=yhs-ddc-linuxmint&fr2=piv-web&hspart=ddc&hsimp=yhs-linuxmint&type=__alt__ddc_linuxmint_com#id=9&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.felder-group.co.uk%2Fassets%2Fmachines%2Ftooltips%2F20fcdcdaa56f24f8b6fc8054db80dde3.jpg&action=click
02:36 AM gloops: about 14 inch long 50mm diamter
02:36 AM miss0r: hmm. I see. That would be a pretty massive mold
02:36 AM miss0r: I would probally go with a rough cast and some turning it down too
02:36 AM gloops: ok heres the good link lol https://gb.felder-group.com/assets/machines/tooltips/20fcdcdaa56f24f8b6fc8054db80dde3.jpg
02:37 AM miss0r: Your second link worked as well
02:38 AM miss0r: Thinking about it, I would probally invest the time it would take to build a two part mold, and pour the cast into it
02:41 AM gloops: well its an old problem with woodworking people, i know lots of things have been tried, its a pretty demanding diy fix
02:41 AM miss0r: Do you have the machinery to build this mold?
02:42 AM miss0r: You could even sell your services as a roller refurbisher afterwards :)
02:42 AM gloops: i think it would be a challenge lol
02:42 AM gloops: my lathe has got the capacity, but boring 14 inch...nah
02:43 AM gloops: could maybe make one on the router when its done
02:43 AM miss0r: What do you have milling wise?
02:43 AM gloops: nothing to do that - cnc router might cut it, the new one
02:43 AM archivist: 11 inch bore was real fun...not
02:43 AM miss0r: off thought here: You could make the mold out of wood. Use a 50mm diameter ball cutter
02:44 AM miss0r: and make two halfs, and then just make two end plates
02:44 AM archivist: I had to use drills and reamers to get the depth http://www.collection.archivist.info/thumbs/archive/DJCPD/PD/2006/2006_09_07_pendulum/P9072701_T.JPG
02:45 AM gloops: cant really think of any accurate pipes or tubes with internal accuracy
02:45 AM miss0r: gloops: Well, sewage pipe will put you pretty close?
02:45 AM miss0r: archivist: Bleh. That doesn't even sound funny
02:45 AM gloops: plastic pipe maybe, these extrusions arent bad - doesnt need to be that accurate
02:46 AM gloops: thats pretty good work archivist
02:46 AM miss0r: if you can center the raw steel roller inside a plastic pipe, I think it could work actualy
02:47 AM archivist: gloops that is cast iron :)
02:47 AM gloops: but then get back to - what rubber tubes could be pulled over the steel shaft - job done
02:47 AM miss0r: archivist: Wow. Thats a beautiful finish on CI
02:47 AM archivist: rubber hose
02:47 AM miss0r: gloops: Interresting
02:48 AM miss0r: That could work if you can find some glue that can bond the two together properly, otherwise I don't think it will last very long
02:48 AM gloops: usually reinforced at 2 inch
02:48 AM miss0r: yeah, but you don't want to..?
02:48 AM gloops: water baggings on cars
02:48 AM miss0r: to=that
02:49 AM gloops: reinforced is going to be difficult to stretch on anything
02:49 AM miss0r: indeed
02:49 AM miss0r: If you can find an unreinforced rubber hose that is slightly smaller than your OD of the roller- you are golden
02:49 AM gloops: probably if googled rubber hose suppliers would find something
02:50 AM archivist: there is a local hose maker
02:50 AM miss0r: We have a local supplier here in Denmark. They can get _ANYTHING_ from rubber/plastics/foam ect. if it exists, they'll know about it
02:50 AM archivist: http://derbyperformancehose.co.uk/
02:50 AM gloops: would pay me to do some research
02:51 AM miss0r: http://www.skdk.dk/
02:51 AM miss0r: (in danish, but google translate will help you)
02:51 AM archivist: I just had some made for my generator
02:51 AM miss0r: "We stock everything in technical rubber, hoses and hydraulics"
02:52 AM gloops: https://dphsiliconehose.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=41&product_id=171
02:52 AM miss0r: But that is reinforced.
02:53 AM miss0r: What ID do you need?
02:53 AM miss0r: I just had a scary idea...
02:54 AM miss0r: What about shrink wrap, the ones with glue inside.
02:54 AM gloops: not measured tbh its about 50mm, would have to cut some of the old rubber off
02:54 AM XXCoder: nboooo
02:54 AM archivist: they wind around a former so any size is possible if you provide the former
02:54 AM miss0r: XXCoder: what ? :)
02:54 AM XXCoder: just random lol whats up
02:54 AM gloops: some rubber on steel rollers archivist? how much if you dont mind me asking?
02:54 AM miss0r: you can get 'flexible' shrinkwrap, means for flexible rubber cables. That might just work
02:55 AM XXCoder: just got home from working overtime
02:55 AM miss0r: XXCoder: We are brainstorming replacing the rubber on some rollers gloops uses
02:55 AM gloops: well some food for thought for when i tackle that job, time to make some noise now bbl
02:56 AM miss0r: gloops: I'VE GOT IT !
02:57 AM miss0r: Cold crimp tubes. basically its elastic rubber stretched over a nylon spiral, you pull our
02:57 AM miss0r: out*
02:57 AM * miss0r will find link
02:57 AM XXCoder: ny pics of rollers?
02:57 AM miss0r: This: http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/542305P/3m-cold-shrink-tubes-silicone-tif.jpg
02:58 AM miss0r: That is silicone rubber
03:00 AM miss0r: gloops: EDPM rubber. maximum 49.3mm, will reduce until 24.0mm. and it measures 13.8" in length
03:00 AM miss0r: It will only set you back 8Ł a pop
03:00 AM miss0r: I realy feel that is worth a shot
03:01 AM archivist: he vanished and did not leave his client on!
03:01 AM miss0r: oh...
03:01 AM miss0r: I missed that part
03:01 AM miss0r: I still think I've had a stroke of brilliance
03:02 AM XXCoder: yeah he did say bye basically
03:02 AM miss0r: That customer of mine will show up any moment. Will you relay what I wrote to him if he pops back in, and i'm not here
03:02 AM XXCoder: "time to make noise now bbl"
03:02 AM miss0r: I completely missed that :]
03:02 AM XXCoder: me too but then I was reading one site
03:03 AM miss0r: I just had one of thoes 'great idea blackouts' :D
03:03 AM XXCoder: :)
03:04 AM miss0r: Once that customer of mine has left, I can get back to doing my quick tool change post for the lathe
03:05 AM miss0r: I have been putting it off for too long now
03:12 AM XXCoder: miss0r: if client arent here yet check this out https://youtu.be/_FWP23X7JE4
04:19 AM XXCoder: hey JT-Shop whats your mach url
04:50 AM jthornton: mesaus.com
04:51 AM XXCoder: ah yes mesa
04:51 AM XXCoder: thanks. doubtful but you might get customer heh
04:51 AM jthornton: every little bit helps :)
05:42 AM * jthornton studies how to make fodder
06:42 AM jthornton: looks like I've been doing it wrong as the rpi.GPIO has edge detection events which would work much better for the chicken door I think
06:50 AM archivist: edge may see noise that level may well ignore
07:05 AM JT-Shop: could be possible if one was using a physical input...
07:13 AM SpeedEvil: https://i2.wp.com/www.moco-choco.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/the-most-bizarre-old-timey-inventions-beauty-micrometer.jpg On the topic of metrology
07:51 AM monkeyisl: how do i test if my spindle works?
07:52 AM monkeyisl: i'm on 7i76, so i'm using spindle-, spindle+, spindle_out
07:52 AM monkeyisl: spindle_out pin is DAC?
07:53 AM monkeyisl: or pwm to simulate analogoutput?
07:53 AM archivist: usually pwm to simulate
07:54 AM monkeyisl: ahh.. .. got it
08:03 AM IchGucksLive: hi
08:04 AM monkeyisl: hi
08:04 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
08:04 AM IchGucksLive: monkeyisl: and first movements
08:05 AM IchGucksLive: 1400 klicks on the 5axis breakout today alone
08:05 AM IchGucksLive: so many building mashines
08:07 AM monkeyisl: clicks?
08:07 AM IchGucksLive: im going for a walk just a quick look on the weather radar if i done walk in a snow blizzard
08:07 AM IchGucksLive: monkeyisl: on the YT video to the 5USD BOB
08:07 AM IchGucksLive: till later
08:09 AM pcw_home: monkeyisl: The 7I76 spindle output is analog ( a isolated potentiometer replacement)
08:10 AM MarcelineVQ: monkeyisl: he's talkin about these things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I00ArvYvZgI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk09X_bQ_g
08:13 AM monkeyisl: pcw_home : analog yup like potentiometer.
08:14 AM monkeyisl: i think i configured correctly huanyang VFD, it works as expected. but i can't make my 7i76 output signal.
08:18 AM pcw_home: what is the voltage between SPINDLE+ and SPINDLE-?
08:18 AM monkeyisl: https://imgur.com/a/NwKTM
08:18 AM monkeyisl: 10v, 0
08:18 AM pcw_home: you measured?
08:18 AM monkeyisl: yup
08:19 AM monkeyisl: another pic sec
08:19 AM pcw_home: no pictures
08:19 AM monkeyisl: ok
08:20 AM pcw_home: what are the states of the hal 7i76 spindle pins?
08:20 AM monkeyisl: vfd pinout is like 10v --> spin+, VI--> spinoutput, ACM --> spin-
08:21 AM monkeyisl: TB4 , 1,2,3
08:21 AM pcw_home: what does halcmd show pin | grep spin
08:21 AM pcw_home: print?
08:23 AM monkeyisl: oh i haven't finsihed pncconf. so it shows 0 result. | grep spin
08:23 AM monkeyisl: shouldi finsiht it first?
08:23 AM monkeyisl: is there no testing hmethod before i go/?
08:25 AM monkeyisl: something like "open loop test"
08:26 AM monkeyisl: oh .....
08:26 AM monkeyisl: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jasonwebb/tc-maker-4x4-router/master/media/electronic-control-system-linuxcnc/MESA%207i76%20pin%20mapping.jpg
08:27 AM monkeyisl: i did upside down.. what the best pic i've ever seen, they should attach it in theirpdf!
08:27 AM monkeyisl: fixing
08:29 AM pcw_home: Pretty sure pncconf cant test sserial I/O devices like the spindle
08:30 AM pcw_home: you need to run LinuxCNC ( or at least hal with running threads ) for that
08:30 AM monkeyisl: there is "open loop test" button touhg.
08:41 AM monkeyisl: should i have only ONE core?
08:41 AM monkeyisl: for RTAPI ?
08:51 AM archivist: adjusting userspace to one core and realtime to another has been done, not everyone has to
08:55 AM pcw_home: I would not bother unless you have terrible latency, say worse the 150000 ns (150 usec)
08:59 AM pcw_home: ( because its makes almost every thing run slower )
09:03 AM R2E4: morning afternoon, evening
09:10 AM monkeyisl: <stdin>:13: Pin 'hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.spinout' does not exist
09:10 AM monkeyisl: <stdin>:14: Pin 'hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.spinena' does not exist
09:10 AM monkeyisl: <stdin>:15: Pin 'hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.spindir' does not exist
09:11 AM monkeyisl: hmm... what's wrong
09:11 AM R2E4: field power?
09:11 AM monkeyisl: i clicked open loop test .. and it prints above on console.
09:11 AM monkeyisl: hm?
09:11 AM monkeyisl: do i need fieldpower to spindle module on ?
09:12 AM R2E4: you have dc voltage present on the oragne connector?
09:12 AM monkeyisl: nope
09:12 AM monkeyisl: Should I?
09:12 AM monkeyisl: i'm using analog module
09:12 AM R2E4: then that is an accurate error
09:13 AM monkeyisl: ok let me try 8v?
09:13 AM monkeyisl: i don't have anotyhign but spindle on the board. 3 pins. spin+, spin-, spinout
09:13 AM R2E4: 8vdc should work. 12-24 is advisable
09:13 AM monkeyisl: r2e4 what' sbout W1
09:14 AM monkeyisl: VIN-VBUS ?
09:14 AM monkeyisl: left right
09:14 AM monkeyisl: vinvbus <> vin sep
09:15 AM monkeyisl: cool teamview works now.
09:15 AM R2E4: leave it in default position W1
09:16 AM R2E4: supply 12vdc gnd pin 8 top pin, and 12+ to pin 5
09:16 AM R2E4: en you can spindle away!!!
09:17 AM R2E4: W1 is if you want to use a different voltage for field power and VIN
09:24 AM monkeyisl: how it works
09:24 AM monkeyisl: lol
09:24 AM monkeyisl: i can spin it
09:24 AM monkeyisl: thankss
09:24 AM R2E4: nice
09:39 AM monkeyisl: look i can concentrate on cad for now lolniceeee
09:40 AM monkeyisl: exciting
09:45 AM R2E4: What are you doing with a 7i76 with only using spinout?
09:50 AM monkeyisl: oh,, now spindle, stepper x 4 works.
09:50 AM monkeyisl: 0s
09:50 AM monkeyisl: -s
09:51 AM R2E4: Your on a roll....
10:19 AM archivist: cradek, have you seen this idea for measuring non flat http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mitutoyo-101468M-Ball-Attachment-Metric/142148546406
11:00 AM JT-Shop: well hell someone hacked into either my paypal or bank card or both
11:01 AM archivist: nasty
11:02 AM gloops: nowhere is safe
11:03 AM sync: probably your CC
11:03 AM JT-Shop: they used an electronic check to try and take money from my paypal then somehow transfered 1000 to paypal
11:05 AM archivist: check for any problems with the website code you use for mesaus
11:05 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FL86STH156-4208A-H-1-High-Torque-Stepper-Motor-with-DM805-AI-stepper-drive/332448265196? cheap servo/driver here 12nM
11:11 AM archivist: dont normally have analogue in to a stepper
11:12 AM sync: I guess why not, it is just a motor
11:12 AM gloops: 12nm stepper?
11:14 AM gloops: that would do my y heh
11:23 AM monkeyisl: is there any tadesoff between analog or digital on driving spindle?
11:24 AM monkeyisl: my question is too unspecific though
11:25 AM archivist: depends!
11:25 AM monkeyisl: any examples? lol
11:28 AM archivist: some machines need a position controlled spindle, others need some feedback for tapping/threading others an open loop speed
11:29 AM archivist: most milling is plain open loop just a speed signal
11:29 AM archivist: solid tapping in linuxcnc just adds some feedback so the other axes follow
11:32 AM JT-Shop: stupid paypal downgraded my account to a personal account.... now I have set it back up again
11:32 AM archivist: hobbing has an axis geared to the spindle
11:35 AM MarcelineVQ: rigid tapping makes my skin tingle, I definetly want to make something that can do that
11:36 AM archivist: MarcelineVQ, I have a hobbing setup
11:36 AM MarcelineVQ: paypal is forver jerking around with my mom's business accounts in various inconsistent ways, I'm not sure how anyone gets things done with it
11:42 AM R2E4: JT-Shop: thats a bummer. I need to order some more stuff....
11:42 AM MarcelineVQ: archivist: hobbing is way cool too
11:43 AM MarcelineVQ: I probably mentioned it before but I saw this vid of a giant cnc that hobbed with grinding stones and it's quite a sight
11:43 AM IchGucksLive: hi
11:43 AM R2E4: arkk.... Mesa out of stock 8i20's....
11:44 AM gloops: evenin
11:44 AM JT-Shop: R2E4: I think all has been straightened out
11:47 AM R2E4: JT-Shop: can you get 8i20 from mesa? t some done?or find out when they will ge
11:47 AM R2E4: get some done...
11:49 AM JT-Shop: just ask pcw_home if he knows when the 8i20's will be back in stock
11:51 AM * JT-Shop takes a rainy day nap
12:19 PM IchGucksLive: DT did undo what he yesterday signed doesnt he ask anybody on his thinking
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: gn8
12:45 PM gloops: all quiet on the western front
12:47 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Horizontal-Milling-Machine-Herbert-No-33/232565261412?
12:48 PM JT-Shop: windy as heck here
12:49 PM gloops: not bad here for november
02:01 PM JT-Shop: temps dropping like crazy went from short sleeve to jacket in 2 hours
02:24 PM pcw_home: NIce sunny day after a couple of days of decent rainfall (enough to really soak the ground)
02:24 PM pcw_home: So you can hear the Arundo growing, California growing season is really winter
02:28 PM gloops: arundo? whassat?
02:35 PM pcw_home: type of reed, its a weed here
02:35 PM gloops: ah ok
02:35 PM pcw_home: looks a bit like bamboo
02:35 PM gloops: thought it was some kind of crop - not heard of it
02:36 PM pcw_home: Arundo Donax
02:38 PM andypugh: They made SCSI cards didn’t they?
02:44 PM * JT-Shop designs a chicken feeder with SolidWorks
02:45 PM phipli: JT-Shop, heads up, you can't fill them with pellets through an inch pipe easily
02:46 PM phipli: that was an early fail lazy modification that didn't work
02:46 PM JT-Shop: this one the top is a lid and I use crumble
02:46 PM JT-Shop: a gravity fed box thing
02:47 PM phipli: keep it dry, and way more cross section than you'd expect
02:47 PM JT-Shop: cross section?
02:47 PM phipli: area for the shoot if it is filling automatically
02:49 PM JT-Shop: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HTeIep5Ai_4/UILR0isPR9I/AAAAAAAAMSw/PXQ2hBGaCic/s1600/2.0+-+Automatic+Chicken+Feeders+Plans+-+Chicken+Coop+Plans+Free.jpg
02:49 PM JT-Shop: something like that
02:49 PM phipli: Interesting
02:50 PM JT-Shop: that one doesn't show the gate part that limits the level of the feed
02:51 PM JT-Shop: http://farmfolly.com/2010/02/building-a-home-made-chicken-feeder/
02:51 PM JT-Shop: it will be more like that one
02:53 PM MarcelineVQ: JT-Shop: my rabbit feeder looks like that
02:53 PM MarcelineVQ: it does tend to collect pellet dust at the bottom though, consider a fine mesh as the base
02:53 PM MarcelineVQ: well unless the chickens eat that
02:54 PM JT-Shop: yea there is not a spec of feed under the current feeder and it is scratched clean
02:54 PM MarcelineVQ: picky rabbits don't eat dust :>
02:55 PM phipli: Chickens will eat anything, as long as another chicken around that they're worried will get it first
02:56 PM MarcelineVQ: that must be the secret then, I need another rabbit
02:56 PM phipli: :)
02:57 PM JT-Shop: yea give one a goodie and they run and make noise so the others chase it
02:57 PM JT-Shop: if they had any smarts they would put on a poker face
02:57 PM phipli: yup
03:17 PM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/images/chickens-2/Feeder.JPG
03:17 PM JT-Shop: no lid yet...
03:32 PM gloops: near me but not buying https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Milwaukee-Horizontal-Milling-Machine-with-tools/182904747282?
03:32 PM gloops: Milwaukee = Walker Turner
03:33 PM XXCoder: definitely needs a good clean
03:34 PM gloops: thats its protective film lol
03:35 PM XXCoder: lol
03:40 PM JT-Shop: phipli: do you grow fodder for the chickens?
03:46 PM XXCoder: yet another politician that is anti-gay resigns because oops exposed doing gay activities
03:46 PM XXCoder: its becoming trope so far
03:47 PM gloops: it was rampant among the nazis
03:47 PM XXCoder: so, no change eh
03:48 PM gloops: hitler had to set up a special court for homosexual party members - heard in secrecy so the problem didnt become public
03:48 PM XXCoder: honestly?
03:48 PM XXCoder: I dont give a fuck who person fucks
03:49 PM XXCoder: as long as everyone involved gave consent
03:49 PM gloops: well it is documented in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich
03:49 PM XXCoder: its when one keeps shouting antigay then boom exposed to be gay. that is when I lol out
03:50 PM phipli: JT-Shop, they get to eat our lawn, but not other than that
03:50 PM phipli: nope
03:58 PM JT-Shop: from what I've read the fodder increases the feed value by 6 or 10 fold of the seeds and easy to do
04:00 PM Deejay: gn8
04:19 PM Cromaglious_: Just ordered a follow rest for my lathe, with that I can finish my Mini axle CV removal tool
04:20 PM phipli: JT-Shop, what exactly do you mean by fodder?
04:20 PM phipli: to me it just means animal food
04:21 PM phipli: basically, I mean... grass or turnips :)
04:22 PM Cromaglious_: Just like the phrase Cannon fodder for Army infantry troops Cannon food
04:23 PM Cromaglious_: fodder to me is more grass/hay, for turnips/grain I tend to use feed
04:23 PM phipli: I'm not feeding my chickens infantry
04:24 PM phipli: I'm used to turnips for horses been called fodder
04:24 PM phipli: not sure why
04:24 PM phipli: feed I associate with grain
04:24 PM Cromaglious_: LOL
04:26 PM Cromaglious_: anything out of the kitchen is trimmings
04:26 PM phipli: kitchen scraps
04:27 PM phipli: against the law to give kitchen scraps to some animals now
04:27 PM phipli: including chickens here
04:27 PM phipli: :(
04:27 PM phipli: not something I follow... religiously
04:30 PM Cromaglious_: working on getting our coop designed, we are allowed up to 3 hens, NO roosters
04:31 PM phipli: live in town?
04:38 PM JT-Shop: phipli: you soak wheat or barley seeds for a bit then water them in a container for 7 days and you have a lovely green treat
04:39 PM JT-Shop: https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/growing-fodder-for-chickens.713334/
04:46 PM Cromaglious_: phipli: yep on a city lot
04:49 PM phipli: Cromaglious_, yeah - I'm in a city too
05:00 PM JT-Shop: Cromaglious_: think carefully about proper ventilation
05:00 PM JT-Shop: roost bar 12" higher than nest boxes
05:05 PM JT-Shop: Cromaglious_: https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/chicken-coop-ventilation-go-out-there-and-cut-more-holes-in-your-coop.47774/
05:06 PM Cromaglious_: We are thinking thermo siphon to help move air.
05:08 PM Angi_Heinz is now known as LinuxCNC
05:15 PM LinuxCNC is now known as Hornox
05:20 PM XXCoder: lol
05:20 PM XXCoder: tried the hose camera inspect sewer system
05:20 PM XXCoder: its not that good
05:21 PM Cromaglious_: setting up a siphon in the back wall, so the sun will heat the air and rise, and pull air into the coop. I also have 2ea 12v 5w solar panels to drive a fan
05:21 PM Cromaglious_: XXCoder: yep... blind beyond 2CM
05:22 PM XXCoder: it works actually just problem with aiming so its always towards sides and not down pipe
05:22 PM XXCoder: and its easily blurred by dirt
05:22 PM Cromaglious_: it comes with a really crappy 90 degree mirror
05:22 PM JT-Shop: Cromaglious_: you just need enough open non drafty area for good ventilation
05:22 PM XXCoder: mine dont
05:23 PM Cromaglious_: JT-Shop: it's also for cooling... Southern California, right now it's 82F
05:23 PM Cromaglious_: 28c
05:27 PM Cromaglious_: If it drop's below 65 fans cut off, still trying to figure out a safe and cheap warmth conservation method
05:27 PM XXCoder: crom auto-closing vent? fan on it opens
05:28 PM XXCoder: make it vent into duct that goes downwards into below coop floor level then out
05:28 PM XXCoder: so heat rises and dont escape
05:28 PM XXCoder: but fan can push it outwards
05:29 PM JT-Shop: Cromaglious_: ah yea we are 48F atm
05:30 PM JT-Shop: you just need a roof with cage wire around it lol
05:30 PM XXCoder: that reminds me of that sillyness
05:30 PM XXCoder: farmed wanted to roof over small area for horses to shade themselves
05:30 PM XXCoder: it was denied
05:31 PM XXCoder: dfarmer realized that there was no size limition to outside table and chair
05:32 PM XXCoder: result: https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/the-dar-75.jpg
05:32 PM A|9000: hi all
05:32 PM XXCoder: get 9k
05:32 PM XXCoder: *hey
05:35 PM JT-Shop is now known as HAL-9000
05:35 PM A|9000: ??
05:35 PM HAL-9000 is now known as HAL9000
05:35 PM XXCoder is now known as IBM-9000
05:35 PM A|9000: yes ive noticed you
05:35 PM HAL9000 is now known as Guest77688
05:35 PM Guest77688 is now known as JT-Shop
05:35 PM IBM-9000 is now known as XXCoder
05:35 PM XXCoder: hey
05:35 PM XXCoder: dammit I keep typoing. heh
05:35 PM XXCoder: anyway whats up mr a 8k
05:36 PM JT-Shop: got a good start on the chicken feeder... looking good
05:36 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: did you see pic above? pretty funny
05:36 PM XXCoder: also nice
05:37 PM JT-Shop: I bet he flipps the bird at the council every chance he gets
05:38 PM XXCoder: probably if its nazi-que type
05:38 PM XXCoder: power tripping council or HOA suck so hard
05:41 PM XXCoder: interesting https://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/horseshelter.asp
05:42 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sascotec-Horse-solarium-ELITE/dp/B01N2T28J1 related
05:43 PM * JT-Shop heads inside for some chicken and dumplins
05:43 PM tiwake: XXCoder: there was a guy here locally who was denied to allow more than 4 non-family members to rent his large house... so he painted it pink with pokadots of various colors
05:44 PM tiwake: as there is some strange old law about not allowing more than 4 people to rent a house
05:44 PM tiwake: they might have gotten rid of it finally
05:44 PM tiwake: but yeah
05:44 PM tiwake: heh
05:44 PM XXCoder: why do color change it?
05:44 PM tiwake: to make a statement of how stupid the law is... heh
05:45 PM tiwake: city ordinance I guess
05:45 PM XXCoder: ahh ok
05:45 PM XXCoder: sometimes stupid law is due to outdated but real reason]
05:45 PM tiwake: right
05:45 PM XXCoder: do you know why pillow and matresses has integerants list and no rip off if not customer?
05:45 PM tiwake: the thing is that this is a college town
05:45 PM tiwake: so it was bound to happen
05:46 PM XXCoder: first companies stuffed crap in matresses like rags, so there was integents law
05:46 PM XXCoder: companies got around it by just ripping it off after it set on display
05:46 PM XXCoder: so...
05:46 PM XXCoder: law on customer only can rip it off
05:46 PM tiwake: heh yeah
05:46 PM tiwake: not surprising
05:47 PM XXCoder: mine is very simple
05:47 PM XXCoder: "foam"
05:47 PM XXCoder: cotton type top and covering but 99% foam yeah
05:47 PM tiwake: wonder if a lot of those were imported
05:47 PM XXCoder: quite stiff way I like it
05:47 PM * tiwake shrugs
05:47 PM XXCoder: is matresses made in usa anywhere now?
05:48 PM tiwake: the one I own is
05:49 PM tiwake: bought it for $150 from costco
05:49 PM XXCoder: mines not. its from ikea
09:12 PM monkeyisl: which realtime jog could i expact at around 200usd range?
09:13 PM monkeyisl: which realtime jog could i expect at around 200usd range?
09:13 PM monkeyisl: oops
09:14 PM monkeyisl: any protip?
09:14 PM MarcelineVQ: dunno but for a question like that you'll probably want to give more info, if you're able
09:15 PM XXCoder: yeah im uncertain on what you mean by realtime jog
09:15 PM MarcelineVQ: it's a wee bit broad, speed and transmission type vs power vs price and all that sort of jazz matters
09:17 PM MarcelineVQ: mostly though you'll want to say what you mean by realtime jog. the motor shaft rpm? the actual movement of some setup you have in mind? the response-rate of a pendant? :>
09:21 PM monkeyisl: reaponse rate is close to 0 i mean .
09:21 PM MarcelineVQ: of?
09:21 PM monkeyisl: but actually keyboard will just work?
09:22 PM monkeyisl: move axis
09:25 PM MarcelineVQ: sure keyboard works. keyboard keys have certain limitations in that if your OS stutters due to a HDD read or loaded cpu it's possible to get more key presses than you intended, or a button can be held longer than you thought. That's been my experience anyway
09:26 PM MarcelineVQ: With the kernel you'd use with linuxcnc it's possible that situation is pretty reduced though, dunno
09:27 PM monkeyisl: iseif i should have jog watwat i am considering
09:50 PM XXCoder: monkeyisl: keyboard is usb and is not realtime
09:51 PM XXCoder: older ps1 though works fine, it uses actual INT so it can be reacted to near-instant
09:51 PM XXCoder: if you never used ps/2 keyboard, never disconnect or connect ps2 keyboard when computer is on, it can fry the port.
09:51 PM andypugh: Jogwheels into HAL realtime are much more dependable than keyboard joggig.
09:52 PM XXCoder: indeed
09:53 PM XXCoder: serial port pendant
09:53 PM XXCoder: not usb one
09:56 PM monkeyisl: is there any inface for such in 7i76?
09:56 PM monkeyisl: interface
09:57 PM andypugh: Yeah, 7i76 has 2 mpg counters built-in
09:57 PM XXCoder: it has lots pins you can easily configure pins
09:57 PM XXCoder: well what andy said
09:57 PM andypugh: (as well as the spindle encoder)
09:58 PM andypugh: Look at Mode2 on page 18 of the 7i76 manual: http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/parallel/7i76man.pdf
09:58 PM XXCoder: I need to install and try sensor for rpm for my router
09:59 PM XXCoder: but my machine is in closet :(
09:59 PM andypugh: Add “sserial_port_0=20000000” to the config string in the HAL file.
10:11 PM monkeyisl: dxcoder u got ur machine build pics? or blog
10:13 PM XXCoder: no blog but some videos. I was just starting so its not really good videos and in some cases not very good things done
10:13 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF8erDoJlsY
10:14 PM XXCoder: im taking stuff slow because my machine is very different from my work machines lol
10:16 PM XXCoder: good example to NOT do with fixture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQUSS9FO9kY
10:16 PM XXCoder: you can see how bad it was lol that was before I had better clamps
10:30 PM XXCoder: monkeyisl: enjoyed videos hopefully? lol
10:42 PM MarcelineVQ: yeah neat vids
10:44 PM XXCoder: glad in least someone enjoyed my screwup and successes heh
10:45 PM XXCoder: the "spinner" one was a screwup, it turned when runing because my clamnp setup sucked very bad lol
10:45 PM MarcelineVQ: the mechwarrior one is kind of interesting, cuttin in a scanline sort of fashion, how come it's not cutting on both travel passes?
10:46 PM XXCoder: ask devs of linuxcnc heh its image to gcode builtin
10:46 PM MarcelineVQ: ah okay
10:46 PM XXCoder: likely due to climb cut vs convential
10:46 PM XXCoder: it shouldnt matter with tiny but very sharp ballem
11:28 PM monkeyisl: oops i was driving