#linuxcnc Logs

Nov 04 2017

#linuxcnc Calendar

02:25 AM gloops: well, im all done designing, unintentionally my gantry uprights have evolved into strange medieval looking battle axe shapes
02:28 AM XXCoder: oh thats just middle stage
02:28 AM XXCoder: you know its reached end stage when it comes to life and walks off
02:28 AM gloops: im pretty settled with this XXCoder, i dont think i could think of any more improvements - and have lost the will to try
02:28 AM XXCoder: thats good, never reach end stage, you would have to start over since it walked off ;)
02:30 AM gloops: it wont get far round here the scrap men are round every hour
02:30 AM XXCoder: lol
02:30 AM XXCoder: its that bad?
02:30 AM XXCoder: do they just steal scrap?
02:30 AM gloops: anything metal is spirited away
02:31 AM RyanS: god linux is so anal and preachy about security. what if I'm just playing around and I don't care about security
02:31 AM XXCoder: heh metal coated bricks ;)
02:31 AM gloops: actually i think theres been some kind of police clampdown, they used to just walk straight onto peoples property and look for metal, they dont anymore
02:32 AM gloops: (may also be because a lot of people have cctv)
02:32 AM XXCoder: here we can just leave metal and nobody touches em
02:33 AM IchGucksLive: good morning from germany
02:33 AM gloops: surprising
02:33 AM XXCoder: at work we use solid alum scrap blocks to hold doors open
02:33 AM gloops: you dont have people in old picks ups collecting scrap for a living?
02:34 AM gloops: hi Ichs
02:34 AM XXCoder: not around here anyway
02:34 AM XXCoder: lol some moron shot himself in penis when trying to rob hot dog stand
02:34 AM XXCoder: now thats busted hotdog
02:35 AM RyanS: it's like the linux manuals were written by the STASI "you must not change your desktop background colour without root access!"
02:35 AM IchGucksLive: morning gloops
02:36 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS: how is it developing
02:37 AM RyanS: not much to do until the mesa arri
02:37 AM RyanS: i probably should start reading the manual
02:38 AM IchGucksLive: yeah its always waiting
02:38 AM IchGucksLive: and download the example mashine config files
02:42 AM RyanS: i'm watching a German TV show on Netflix called The Same Sky, it's interesting
02:42 AM IchGucksLive: never heard about
02:44 AM RyanS: there was another one called Deutschland 83 similar theme, I heard it was unpopular in germany but did ok internationally
02:56 AM IchGucksLive: im off
03:03 AM gloops: im surprised a lot more people arent using blender for cnc
03:05 AM XXCoder: blender is modeling not designer
03:09 AM RyanS: i remember it being clunky too
03:11 AM gloops: its pretty awesome
03:11 AM gloops: probably not for precision machine parts kind of thing
03:12 AM gloops: also has CAM plugin
03:13 AM gloops: just a massive app to learn, can do 2d vector, curves all kind of stuff
03:13 AM RyanS: I don't know a lot about it except that some CG artists seem to hate it
03:14 AM gloops: probably like most open source stuff, has its cult followers and its haters
03:14 AM gloops: it started out as a commercial app
03:20 AM gloops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzv-SY2I7Rk click near the end of that, not sure how you would go about machining that though
03:20 AM XXCoder: 3d print it
03:20 AM gloops: yeah could print it, would need 4 or 5 axis to cut it
03:21 AM XXCoder: 3d, in 3 steps
03:21 AM XXCoder: actually 4 axis I mean, in 3 steps
03:21 AM XXCoder: 5 axis, in 2 steps
03:22 AM gloops: im only just beginning to get my head round 4+ axis
03:22 AM RyanS: UV unwrapping is a horrible, horrible task
03:22 AM XXCoder: uv for whatr
03:24 AM RyanS: making a flat image to match the coordinates of a 3d model
03:25 AM RyanS: so you can texture it
03:25 AM XXCoder: ah I was wondering if you meant uv light curing, like in SLA
03:27 AM Deejay: moin
03:27 AM XXCoder: yo
03:29 AM RyanS: heads end up with a freaky pancake face http://kollarandor.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/thumb_Maya-Head-UV_tutorial.jpg
03:29 AM XXCoder: pancake face is god. worship now
03:30 AM RyanS: http://www.ir-ltd.net/images/agisoft/UV-average.jpg
03:30 AM XXCoder: nice nose hair
03:30 AM RyanS: human face pelt rug
03:38 AM XXCoder: http://www.channelate.com/comics/2013-07-16-mascot.png
04:55 AM gloops: one here for archivist - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Milling-Machines-Used/122784580334?
04:56 AM XXCoder: cheap
04:56 AM gloops: beauty
04:56 AM gloops: it is atm XXCoder, could all change, but thats for nothing as it is
04:58 AM archivist: reminds me of http://www.archivist.info/cnc/works/P1010217.JPG
04:59 AM gloops: it is basically a lathe headstock
05:00 AM archivist: I see that one has already been "got at" so not a collectors
05:00 AM archivist: nar that is a mill
05:01 AM archivist: you can see the vertical slide is part of it
05:01 AM gloops: oh yeah purpose made, but looks a lot like a lot of old lathe headstocks, similar casting
05:01 AM archivist: just an old belt drive with mods
05:02 AM gloops: wrong orientation for most though
05:02 AM jthornton: morning
05:02 AM XXCoder: yo
05:02 AM gloops: hi
05:03 AM archivist: gloops, http://www.lathes.co.uk/timbrell-wright-miller/
05:03 AM archivist: same image!
05:04 AM XXCoder: either stolem image or its from that guy
05:05 AM archivist: that site has helpers, site owner is in Ashbourne near me
05:05 AM gloops: yeah same one, looks like some old war-time tackle for unskilled to use, someone improved it
05:05 AM archivist: stolen or given from the seller
05:05 AM XXCoder: or just image stolen
05:06 AM archivist: I have met the site owner :)
05:07 AM gloops: should have put 'as seen on lathes.co'
05:07 AM XXCoder: if its same image seller is either lazy or same person who previously took it
05:08 AM archivist: with a site like that there are many who send their own pictures in
05:09 AM archivist: I can point at sites where I sent pics, so not stolen
05:09 AM archivist: I have had requests, can I use etc
05:11 AM archivist: like this http://www.newall.org.uk/omt-page-2/
05:12 AM archivist: he has added more stuff since I last looked
05:13 AM XXCoder: lol king5 warns about hidden camera coat hook, and links to amazon and walmart :P
05:13 AM XXCoder: http://www.king5.com/news/crime/if-you-see-this-coat-hook-in-the-bathroom-get-out-and-call-police/489026966
05:26 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjbAEGtYuBA tiny engine
05:26 AM XXCoder: he rarely uploads a video
05:31 AM jthornton: cool
05:31 AM XXCoder: I think I have to unsub :(
05:31 AM XXCoder: his videos wander a LOT
05:32 AM XXCoder: literally makes me sick
06:20 AM jthornton: he does show some interesting lathe fixturing
06:20 AM XXCoder: he makes bunch of tiny engines
06:20 AM XXCoder: hes been working on some miniure boat
06:21 AM XXCoder: too bad I wont be able to watch whole of that series. finally unsubbed due to dizzyness when watching his videos :(
06:22 AM jthornton: I have a steam engine casting set I need to finish up one day
06:23 AM archivist: and me
06:23 AM archivist: got mine in the 1970's :)
06:24 AM archivist: now with cnc and experience I should finish
06:26 AM jthornton: https://www.pmmodelengines.com/shop/steam/steam-engine-3/
06:26 AM jthornton: I'm pretty sure that is the kit
06:26 AM XXCoder: if you arent sure you havent seen it too long lol
06:26 AM jthornton: yea
06:27 AM XXCoder: if i want to work on some engine it'd be stirling
06:28 AM miss0r: I've always wanted to build a fuelinjection turbine
06:29 AM miss0r: Haven't gotten around to it yet, thou : ]
06:29 AM XXCoder: you have some dusty kit somewhere also?
06:29 AM XXCoder: it seems more and more that im only one with no dusty kit ;)
06:29 AM miss0r: no. I think that would be a scratch build.
06:30 AM XXCoder: oh good im noit alone ;)
06:30 AM miss0r: Don't feel bad. I have an old steam motor kit in the basement somewhere, just waiting for me to do something about it
06:30 AM miss0r: :
06:30 AM XXCoder: lol
06:31 AM XXCoder: so I am indeed alone :P
06:31 AM archivist: not normal to not have an unfinished project
06:32 AM miss0r: archivist: lol
06:32 AM miss0r: ain't that the truth
06:32 AM XXCoder: lol I do have one :P I have cnc machine itself..
06:35 AM miss0r: I just landed three VFDs for free. Danish made. 7.5kW 3x18A for 3x400volts. Sweet
06:36 AM XXCoder: 3 spindle machine ;)
06:36 AM miss0r: This one: http://dev.speed-tech.dk/347/sc3-7500-v5
06:36 AM jthornton: nice
06:36 AM XXCoder: man t seems to me that everyone else here prically trips over cnc machines lol
06:37 AM archivist: I would settle for a few 2.2 kw single phase in vfd's
06:37 AM miss0r: One of these will be given away, should anyone in here be interrested?
06:37 AM miss0r: (I only need two)
06:37 AM archivist: we dont get 3 phase in here
06:38 AM XXCoder: shipping would cost a bomb
06:38 AM miss0r: I thought that was pretty standard in the UK?
06:38 AM XXCoder: american here ;)
06:39 AM miss0r: XXCoder: never mind what the shipping would amount to. You'd have no use for this one, even if you had three phases.
06:39 AM jthornton: yea over 4 pounds the price of shipping over the pond goes high
06:39 AM archivist: not on domestic properties
06:39 AM XXCoder: miss0r: yep lol
06:40 AM miss0r: I guess thats plus one for denmark. Unless you live in a tiny apartment in the inner city, its very unlikely to not have three phases. even then its rare
06:41 AM archivist: it is in the street but costs a lot to get the road dug up to get it
06:41 AM jthornton: we have 3 phase running right next to our shop in town and they quoted $8,000 to hook us up...
06:41 AM XXCoder: isnt there 1 to 3 convertor
06:41 AM miss0r: XXCoder: yeah
06:41 AM jthornton: yea, I make my rotary phase converters
06:42 AM miss0r: I ground this on the lathe yesterday. Imagine the mess: http://picpaste.com/IMG_20171103_190702-yjV7fqwj.jpg
06:42 AM jthornton: my vfd drive is a "high performance" drive so I had to get a special wound motor for the shop RPC
06:42 AM miss0r: jthornton: 'special wound' ?
06:43 AM miss0r: As an electrician in the industry, that tickles my intrest
06:43 AM jthornton: yea the motors are made just for a RPC not just a standard motor with the shaft cut off
06:43 AM jthornton: the new one has much better phase to phase voltage
06:44 AM jthornton: miss0r: you have a tool post grinder?
06:44 AM miss0r: yeah, a homemade one actualy
06:44 AM jthornton: got a photo of it?
06:44 AM miss0r: sure. hang on
06:45 AM archivist: jthornton, a dumore http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=dumore+pd
06:45 AM XXCoder: time to sleep laters
06:45 AM archivist: found in a scrap yard
06:45 AM jthornton: nice
06:45 AM miss0r: jthornton: The best I can do is a short video of it from google drive: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7d2R3dEdCd1pWbWs
06:46 AM archivist: not found suitable wheels for it yet
06:47 AM jthornton: nice, does the stock and the wheel rotate opposite directions?
06:48 AM miss0r: jthornton: Yeah. Found a picture anyway, with no stone one it: http://picpaste.com/20160802_160229-EGkPNzX9.jpg
06:49 AM miss0r: I just have an issue with the motor being underpowered/the stone being too big.
06:50 AM jthornton: nice looking
06:50 AM miss0r: Yeah - it was all newly machined at the time ;)
06:50 AM archivist: or trying to take too much per pass
06:50 AM miss0r: archivist: Absolutly. too much for the engine atleast
06:51 AM miss0r: But none of my carbide inserts stood up to that HSS endmill there. so I had to grind it all the way. It would have been nice to do some 'rough' grinding along the way
06:51 AM jthornton: https://www.northamericaphaseconverters.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/PL-20-rev2.1.pdf
06:51 AM jthornton: that's the motor I got but I built my own panel
06:51 AM archivist: I found build up on the wheel would cause a problem too
06:52 AM jthornton: miss0r: do you use a diamond to dress the wheel?
06:52 AM jthornton: like with a surface grinder?
06:52 AM miss0r: jthornton: yeah. i use the same diamond
06:52 AM miss0r: if you don't, you would never get a descent result
06:53 AM archivist: there is a trick to the dressing for coarse or fine grinding
06:53 AM jthornton: really?
06:53 AM miss0r: yeah. moving the diamond faster across the wheel to make 'cavities' for the chips to evacuate
06:53 AM miss0r: for roughing
06:54 AM archivist: found it in a J&S manual the speed you cross the face with the diamond, slow for fine, fast for coarse
06:54 AM jthornton: good to know I have a manual surface grinder
06:55 AM * jthornton spent a couple years running a surface grinder making point cutters for nail machines and never knew that trick
06:55 AM miss0r: jthornton: when people need to make extra high precision on a manual surface grinder(with the diamond installed inside the cover for the stone) the operator does not use this diamond, they place one on the table and use that to dress the weel(to compensate for the possobility of a tipped nose)
06:56 AM jthornton: yea all I have is the one on the table
06:56 AM miss0r: so do I. I used to have a surface grinder with an automated diamond & wear compensation. But it was waaaay too big for my shop
06:57 AM miss0r: It seems that I end up doing the electronics for other peoples projects instead of doing real machine work nowadays
06:57 AM Vitran: I know a guy who is taking a phd research project on surface grinders to market
06:58 AM Vitran: If you have a precision air pressure line and put it into a chamber with a small hole. Have the small hole near the surface grinder
06:58 AM jthornton: http://www.mwmachinery.com/photos/3645.jpg
06:58 AM jthornton: that's the one I have
06:58 AM Vitran: The change in pressure inside the chamber is a function of how far away the hole is to the grinder surface. You can use this to find the shape of the grinding disk as it is spinning
06:58 AM jthornton: the bearings for the table were installed wrong and all the oil metering valves were stuck closed
06:59 AM miss0r: jthornton so you got a good price on it? :]
06:59 AM jthornton: yea very good as the guy didn't know jack about using one
07:00 AM jthornton: he even commented I hope "you" can get it to work
07:01 AM miss0r: jthornton: I sold the great big one I had to a company that export worn out grinders to india a shipping container at a time. That _almost_ landed me enough money to import this one from a used machinery salesman in Sweden
07:01 AM jthornton: nice
07:02 AM * jthornton heads out to the shop to update the plasma pc
07:02 AM miss0r: Good luck
07:03 AM jthornton: thanks I'm trying to get Dewey's special branch to work today that has builtin Z offseting
07:03 AM jthornton: screw work today
07:04 AM * miss0r fears updating computers that controls stuff :)
07:04 AM miss0r: I had some serious issues with my Roland PNC-3100 desktop cnc (use it for engraving parts ect.)
07:05 AM miss0r: I swapped out the 32bit pc for a 64bit one. Installed 32bit windows Xp and everything like it was on the old PC. It NEVER worked. I wasted hours upon hours trying to get it right. But I ended up going back to the old pc(which is pretty sketchy at best)
07:06 AM archivist: how was it interfaced, parallel port?
07:06 AM miss0r: I mean, I changed some settings and it would work until I rebooted, then I was back to nothing
07:06 AM miss0r: archivist: yeah
07:07 AM archivist: pull ups and modes!
07:07 AM * miss0r perks up
07:07 AM miss0r: Please do elaborate
07:08 AM archivist: bios may set epp or standard, also the port may not pull up, open collector
07:09 AM archivist: or worse, not pull up like an older board
07:09 AM archivist: some were active others not
07:10 AM archivist: scope time add pull up resistors till it works
07:11 AM * JT-Shop digs out the plasma table from all the crap on it
07:11 AM archivist: anything with a top shall be covered in "might be useful"
07:12 AM miss0r: I think its more about software/drivers to be honnest. A list of things that made it work flawlessly, untill I rebooted: Updating the driver. Changing the interrupt allowance in windows, changing the configuration of the port in the bios. (All of which only worked once)
07:13 AM miss0r: and stuff like removing the driver and reinstalling it again
07:13 AM miss0r: It had me seriously puzzled to say the least
07:15 AM archivist: that is this standard v epp and another cant remember the name
07:16 AM miss0r: Either way. I will be back in the puddle fighting this, once the PC hooked up now refuses to boot
07:19 AM archivist: reminds me of the time I had to write a driver for RISCOS so we could sell a printer, had to do bidirectional on the parallel port
07:24 AM john is now known as Guest32295
07:24 AM Guest32295 is now known as JT-Plasma
07:25 AM miss0r: This one has to run bidirectional as well. The printer requests you to do a tool change
07:27 AM JT-Plasma: well crap can't find my note from jepler about cloning from github :(
07:30 AM archivist: miss0r, is it pulling one or two lines like linuxcnc or true bidirectional
07:34 AM miss0r: archivist:excellent question
07:41 AM JT-Plasma: well the info is in the manual... should have looked there first
07:50 AM JT-Plasma: all right plasma cleared off, chair cleared off let the games begin
07:54 AM JT-Plasma: building the external offsets branch :)
08:25 AM Tom_L: JT-Plasma 2.8?
08:26 AM JT-Shop: yea 2.8 external offsets branch
08:27 AM JT-Shop: pretty slow pc will take a while to build lol
08:28 AM Tom_L: M2 got you spoiled...
08:30 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Steel4.jpg
08:30 AM Tom_L: getting closer
08:31 AM Tom_L: i'm wondering if i need another 2" brace on the left end of the base (rear pile)
08:32 AM JT-Shop: would not hurt
08:32 AM Tom_L: seems i only get about 1 evening a week to work on it
08:32 AM JT-Shop: is that 2" and 1" tube?
08:32 AM Tom_L: 2 and 1.25
08:33 AM Tom_L: the size difference makes the height of the screws work with the rails pretty close
08:34 AM Tom_L: trying to find all thickwall tube at the scrap yard
08:35 AM Tom_L: how hot/long does it need to be to equalize it after welding?
08:36 AM JT-Shop: to normalize you have to heat the whole thing up or don't get it hot in the first place
08:37 AM JT-Shop: will it fit in your oven?
08:37 AM Tom_L: i don't think the base will
08:37 AM Tom_L: it's 30"
08:37 AM JT-Plasma: this is a weird error trying to launch linuxcnc Failed to open "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:15.2/0000:05:00.0/0000:06:00.0/enable" (Permission denied)
08:37 AM * JT-Plasma goes to check the status of breakfast :)
08:42 AM JT-Plasma: hmm my normal configuration with 2.7 works... time to trouble shoot
08:57 AM jthornton: Tom_L: how are you cutting the tube?
10:49 AM IchGucksLive: hi from germany
10:51 AM IchGucksLive: later
11:06 AM Tom_L: jthornton, diamond saw
11:06 AM Tom_L: cause i don't have a bandsaw :(
11:07 AM Tom_L: the 2" takes 2 cuts due to clearance but it works ok
01:03 PM gloops: do you start building the frame before the china shipment arrives, or do you wait
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: hi all from germay
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: gloops: DONE ! http://tv-profi-gmbh.de/masch_baumh_k.jpg
01:11 PM gloops: hey not bad Ichs, you selling these or are they for school?
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: for school i got 6 more in house
01:12 PM IchGucksLive: I DO not sell any mashine all only for education
01:12 PM gloops: they look pretty sturdy
01:12 PM IchGucksLive: its 16mm liniar so they can take some force
01:13 PM gloops: solid alu plates?
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: where
01:13 PM gloops: the sides
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: yes
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: 40x20 frame
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: and 80x15
01:14 PM gloops: good stuff
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: what you se is 1500euros for 6 mashine
01:15 PM IchGucksLive: total schoolinvest is 8k
01:15 PM gloops: you could make those and sell them
01:15 PM IchGucksLive: but for 2 Woodmashines more and a 4axis and a 5axis
01:16 PM IchGucksLive: also there need to be 2 cnc lathe 60x250mm
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: its 24V 2Nm at tb6560
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: homeswitches and toollength sensor
01:17 PM gloops: good for learning
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: thats what it is made for
01:19 PM IchGucksLive: calulatet costs per item is 248Euros
01:19 PM IchGucksLive: make time is 25hourers
01:19 PM gloops: put some on ebay
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: if you make them for money noone will buy
01:20 PM gloops: lot of people on facebook group asking - where can i buy a small cnc starter machine
01:20 PM gloops: theyre scared to buy from china
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: tell them the 1224
01:21 PM IchGucksLive: all mashines are now in there country available
01:21 PM Phipli: IchGucksLive : my local electronics shop is selling 100mm 7 segs for about 4.50 euro each
01:22 PM Phipli: you still interested in that sort of thing?
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: i make my own
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: 25000mcd
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: it burns your eys
01:22 PM Phipli: :)
01:23 PM IchGucksLive: and i got all 120led on 0,01A at 12V
01:23 PM IchGucksLive: it runs 12hours on 2 x 18650 tesla
01:23 PM Phipli: ws2812s are really bright - have you used them ever?
01:23 PM IchGucksLive: perfect for the tractors and harvesters
01:23 PM Phipli: the 144 leds / m strips are crazy
01:25 PM IchGucksLive: http://stores.ebay.de/kt-elektronic?_dmd=2&_nkw=ws2812&LH_TitleDesc=1
01:26 PM Phipli: RGB :)
01:27 PM Phipli: saves lots of wiring because you just chain them together
01:27 PM Phipli: would make good custom 7 segs
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: hard to drive on low power USB
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: i only can get 14V out od 500mA 5V
01:29 PM IchGucksLive: so 7 led
01:29 PM IchGucksLive: per segment max
01:29 PM Phipli: what voltage is the combine?
01:30 PM Phipli: is that the 14v?
01:30 PM Phipli: or are they 24v
01:30 PM IchGucksLive: i go for 2V led in row so i got 7 led on 14V
01:31 PM IchGucksLive: driven by 7219 via uln udn
01:31 PM Phipli: 14V = fully charged "12v" lead acid battery?
01:31 PM Phipli: ah right
01:32 PM Phipli: what mcu do you use?
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: no i go for a 3.7V litiom 2 pices so i can get 7." V start Step up to 14V and it lasts 2 workdays one change
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: Nano
01:33 PM JT-Shop: hey Phipli what's up
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: signal comes from Androud via BT Hc-05 inside traktor
01:34 PM IchGucksLive: position is posted out thrue Hc-12 on 2miles range
01:34 PM Phipli: hey JT-Shop
01:34 PM Phipli: not much
01:34 PM Phipli: in town getting dinner
01:34 PM Phipli: no washing up :)
01:34 PM IchGucksLive: Phipli: http://tv-profi-gmbh.de/display.mp4
01:37 PM Phipli: I know what a hc-05 is, what is a hc-12?
01:37 PM IchGucksLive: serial to 433mhz
01:37 PM Phipli: ah right
01:37 PM IchGucksLive: i can get 1200baud on 3km
01:38 PM Phipli: and you get 2 miles out of it?
01:38 PM Loetmichel: *meh* just got a "question form" from local court. i supposedly drove 92kph in a 70kph zone... which would eququate to a 70 eur fine and my first "point" on the license... wrote back that i dont belive the speed trap because it was seroiusly out of level. with a bit of luck it will be dropped... ;) pic of the mobile speed trap the next day-> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=1
01:38 PM Loetmichel: 6794&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
01:38 PM Phipli: I have terrible problems with radios going any distance at all
01:38 PM Phipli: regardless of what the manufacturer says
01:39 PM MarcelineVQ: Loetmichel: image isn't public
01:39 PM IchGucksLive: Phipli: ask a locel Amateur radio man
01:39 PM Loetmichel: MarcelineVQ: it is
01:39 PM Phipli: Loetmichel : login required for linked picture
01:39 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16794&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
01:40 PM Loetmichel: really?
01:40 PM MarcelineVQ: that link is fine
01:40 PM MarcelineVQ: Oh I see what happened, your message got split over two lines
01:43 PM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel: der steht aber nicht parallel zur starsse
01:43 PM Loetmichel: IchGucksLive: EBEN!
01:43 PM Loetmichel: and its tilted sideways
01:43 PM Loetmichel: so it measures something but not the real speed
01:44 PM sync: why would it? it measures your position in space, that way it can track your velocity vector
01:45 PM sync: which is why it also works when you change lanes
01:45 PM JT-Shop: dumb neighbor tried to blow up a big old oak tree and now it's stuck in the next tree lol
01:45 PM Phipli: being at an angle would measure a lower speed...
01:45 PM Phipli: but it isn't about that
01:45 PM Loetmichel: sync: it measures only the speed in line with its laser
01:45 PM Phipli: it is about whether they can't be bothered to argue
01:45 PM Loetmichel: if that laser is off angle wise...
01:45 PM sync: no it does not
01:46 PM sync: read the manual of it
01:46 PM sync: it is not a simple laser gun
01:46 PM Phipli: JT-Shop : friend of my dad's killed his dog like that
01:47 PM Phipli: I suspect that the only reason they drop charges is because it isn't worth arguing money wise
01:47 PM Phipli: the exact argument probably doesn't matter
01:47 PM Phipli: nor does science
01:49 PM Loetmichel: Phipli: they are also pretty overdue... in germany they have to react inside 8 weeks to the incident or its done for legally.
01:49 PM Loetmichel: (IIIRC)
01:50 PM Phipli: Sometimes I get asked to analyse the data from the recorders on trains to see why a train overshot a stop
01:50 PM Phipli: we're always very careful not to blame anyone
01:51 PM Phipli: "the train was decelerating at the correct rate"
01:51 PM sync: so the conductor is at fault
01:51 PM Phipli: leave it to the reader to decide why it missed the stop, despite this.
01:51 PM sync: simple answer
01:51 PM Phipli: *driver
01:52 PM Phipli: conductor is the customer facing person
01:53 PM Phipli: isn't our place to accuse them - there might be another reason
01:53 PM Phipli: leave that to their bosses
01:53 PM Phipli: stick to the evidence
01:53 PM Phipli: not the conjecture
01:53 PM sync: well, if he missed his braking point the case is pretty easy
01:53 PM Phipli: unless the control jammed...
01:54 PM Phipli: or someone distracted them
01:54 PM Phipli: or the machine didn't record it correctly...
01:54 PM Phipli: etc. etc.
01:54 PM sync: > the control jammed
01:54 PM Phipli: probably what happened, but we're not in a position to see the full picture
01:55 PM Phipli: (they missed the brake point)
01:55 PM Phipli: one driver (only one) just admitted he was distracted
01:56 PM Phipli: I think he should have been treated better just because he is the only one I've ever seen just admit it
01:56 PM Phipli: no idea what happened
01:56 PM Phipli: we just submit the analysis and never hear anything else
01:57 PM Loetmichel: Phipli: i admit to having sped there. just not as high as those trap thinks it was.
01:58 PM Phipli: Loetmichel : you need a datalogger on your car :)
01:58 PM Loetmichel: no, anything but that... it would do more harm than good ;)
01:58 PM Phipli: :)
01:59 PM Phipli: but... DATA! Always need more data...
01:59 PM Loetmichel: i am constantly 10 to 15kph over... not more though...
01:59 PM Loetmichel: NEVER more
01:59 PM Phipli: says the "excel guy" from a railway company
02:00 PM Motioncontrol: Hi at all. We don't can change comment in tool table and reload tooltable with g10 L1 P1 r2;firsttool ? it's not write comment in tool table only r2
02:01 PM Loetmichel: its easy enough bargain. any speeding thats below 15kph over is only 20 to 25 eur in germany and no points on the license... thats a risk i take. anything above that is starting to get expensive.
02:02 PM Phipli: are they laser or radar?
02:03 PM Loetmichel: back in the days when i took my apprenticeship at the german railway the train engineers had a paper based track recorder. and any safety induced emergency stop ( red signal, serious overspeeding or failing to maintain the dead man switch) caused 3 dots to be burned into the paper... 3 times 3 dots and you would lose the job for good.
02:03 PM Loetmichel: laser
02:04 PM Phipli: similar here, with less paper
02:05 PM Phipli: don't think failing to press the deadman's is as serious offence as an overrun though
02:10 PM IchGucksLive: Motioncontrol: shooudt work what version of lcnc are you using
02:10 PM Motioncontrol: master
02:10 PM Motioncontrol: IchGucksLive, master
02:10 PM IchGucksLive: 2.8 Relese date ?
02:11 PM Motioncontrol: 2.8.0~pre1
02:11 PM Motioncontrol: date about 2 week before
02:11 PM Loetmichel: Phipli: take into account that back in the days means 30 years ago AND back then the german railway was a state "company"
02:14 PM IchGucksLive: Motioncontrol: can you polease check that NGC https://pastebin.com/WdcVjyq1
02:15 PM Motioncontrol: IchGucksLive, ok , but you not change cooment the tool in tool table only write radius
02:17 PM IchGucksLive: Motioncontrol: is it already published on commenting
02:17 PM Motioncontrol: IchGucksLive, the cooment in tool table is writed after ;
02:17 PM Phipli: yeah - our test trains used to use paper plotter things
02:17 PM Phipli: but before my time
02:18 PM Motioncontrol: IchGucksLive, when you command G10 L1 P1 Z0 R4.5 write in tool table the radius the tool 1, not rewrite comment
02:22 PM IchGucksLive: Motioncontrol: it is not ritten to the tool table it is only inside the ngc
02:22 PM IchGucksLive: written
02:22 PM IchGucksLive: Motioncontrol: if you write Tx m6 beond the G10
02:22 PM Motioncontrol: i want change comment in tool table with mdi command . we can ?
02:23 PM IchGucksLive: the Radius of the tooltable is in use
02:23 PM Motioncontrol: ok for radius and comment ?
02:24 PM Motioncontrol: T1 P1 D4.000000 Z+3.000000 ;fast
02:24 PM Motioncontrol: fast is comment
02:24 PM IchGucksLive: i see
02:24 PM Motioncontrol: the comment is importand for remember at operator, operation the tool
02:25 PM Motioncontrol: ;tool 30mm diameter for example
02:34 PM IchGucksLive: i will inform the DEV to do that as a parameter
02:39 PM IchGucksLive: Motioncontrol: not a easy task
02:40 PM Motioncontrol: ok thanks, it is important
02:41 PM IchGucksLive: the catagory woudt be a easy eay as n1=endmill N2= drill ...
02:41 PM IchGucksLive: as the diameter is in R
02:42 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
02:42 PM Motioncontrol: i thing command is : G10 L1 P1 Z1 R2;Comment
03:17 PM JT-Shop: Phipliii: you still around?
03:59 PM Tom_L: drizzle all day today
04:05 PM jthornton: not a drop here... a diamond saw wow
04:07 PM jthornton: strange temps for this time of the year
04:07 PM MarcelineVQ: snowing here, somehow
04:07 PM MarcelineVQ: way early for Nov snow
04:07 PM jthornton: 67f at the moment with a low of 67f tonight
04:08 PM jthornton: temp starts dropping tomorrow night here
04:09 PM MarcelineVQ: Glad I got the pipes blown out yesterday, not that it's cold enough for them to be an issue, but I don't want to do it in the snow :(
04:09 PM jthornton: I might try and put the RPi3 in the coop tomorrow
04:09 PM jthornton: I hear that
04:09 PM MarcelineVQ: jthornton: You should consider an air quality sensor on that pi, just for interest if nothing else
04:09 PM jthornton: got the RPi3 putting out a web page of status
04:10 PM jthornton: I have a BMP280-3.3 yet to try out
04:10 PM jthornton: I also have an OLED on the I2C so adding more I2C sensors is easy
04:18 PM Tom_L: jthornton, it's actually rather durable. first time using one and i'm kinda surprised
04:19 PM MarcelineVQ: diamond saw for angle grinder?
04:19 PM Tom_L: i put it in my table saw
04:19 PM Tom_L: but it was small so it takes 2 cuts on the 2" pieces
04:19 PM MarcelineVQ: I'd really like to have a diamond angle grinter cutoff disk, and a dry-cut chop-saw
04:19 PM Tom_L: it was made for a hand saw
04:20 PM Tom_L: i wish i had a chop saw for stuff like this
04:20 PM sync: just buy one MarcelineVQ? they are pretty cheap
04:20 PM gloops: diamond cutting disc?
04:20 PM MarcelineVQ: sync: It's in the cards once I have things to cut with it hehe
04:20 PM gloops: no good for metal though
04:21 PM MarcelineVQ: gloops: ye, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv-DkRPpbbM
04:21 PM Tom_L: the one i got works like a champ
04:21 PM sync: for a while, yeah
04:21 PM sync: if you cut steel you are just killing the diamond
04:22 PM Tom_L: it was a purpose bought blade and it will last thru this job so i'm happy
04:22 PM sync: especially on an electroplated disc
04:22 PM MarcelineVQ: At the rate I go through abrasive cutoffs when I'm doing a job I'd really like to try the diamon next time
04:22 PM gloops: well i dont know about those, the standard issue diamond blades for angle grinders and stihl saws arent good with metal
04:22 PM sync: get good abrasives
04:23 PM sync: and they will last longer
04:23 PM Tom_L: after using this on the saw, i may try one on the angle grinder
04:23 PM sync: they are not made for cutting steel, the diamond goes into solution in the steel
04:23 PM sync: for stone they are fine
04:23 PM Tom_L: yeah i have one for tile too
04:24 PM gloops: you can get through steel with them, i tend to avoid it, gets hot and sticky, i wouldnt try cutting any substantial steel with a hand held one
04:24 PM Tom_L: i agree they will wear quicker but this one said for steel
04:24 PM gloops: i mean if you got a bit of alu or thin steel
04:24 PM MarcelineVQ: substantial steel isn't what cutoff are for
04:25 PM gloops: Tom ill have a look for those, never bought a purpose steel one
04:25 PM sync: I just get tyrolit discs, they work very well
04:26 PM gloops: thinnest discs best for cutting
04:27 PM Tom_L: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Diablo-4-5-in-Diamond-Wheel-for-Metal-Cutting-DDD045DIA101F/301454106?keyword=diamond+metal+cutting+saw+blade
04:27 PM Tom_L: i may try one of those once
04:28 PM Tom_L: when i run short on discs again
04:28 PM gloops: im going to look for them here now
04:28 PM Tom_L: my saw blade was similar but 7" i think
04:29 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Steel4.jpg
04:29 PM Tom_L: i've cut all that and then some with it
04:31 PM gloops: ive got an old grinding wheel mount that fits perfect in my old lathe, i put a slitting disc on it and feed bar or section into it - nice square cut, or angled, limited as too size though - and that decreases as the disc wears lol
04:31 PM Tom_L: less size change when this wears
04:33 PM gloops: well they all seem to use bandsaws now
04:35 PM sync: yes, a bandsaw is the way to go
04:35 PM gloops: is that like a chopsaw Tom?
04:53 PM gloops: even a wood bandsaw - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBZQuJ8YVYM
05:00 PM MarcelineVQ: wll it's all in the blade really, got a metal blade and some wax, you can cut god
05:00 PM MarcelineVQ: though, you can cut alu with wood cutting implements, to a point
05:10 PM sync: mostly just the teeth spacing
05:10 PM sync: you want the highest spacing you can get so you can get your feedrate up
05:46 PM hazzy: sync: I beg to differ, I think most people can eat faster when their teeth spacing is closer.
05:46 PM hazzy: :D
05:47 PM MarcelineVQ: omy
05:47 PM hazzy: I was kinda funny reading those last few lines out of context ...
05:47 PM sync: depends on what you are eating
05:47 PM Roguish: yeah, on cutoff blades for aluminum, it's high tooth count and negative rake.
05:48 PM Roguish: 10" blade, 80 teeth, -5 deg rake.
05:48 PM Roguish: carbide of course, cuts really good. watch the fingers.
05:56 PM Roguish: hazzy: hey, how's your GUI coming along?
06:08 PM hazzy: Roguish: Slowly. I have the main stuff done, but all the little piddly things are taking forever!
06:09 PM hazzy: I am to the point were I can set the machine up an run a program though, so light at the end of the tunnel
06:09 PM Roguish: ok, just checking.... hang in there.
06:09 PM hazzy: Thanks, and I'll try :)
06:10 PM MarcelineVQ: hazzy: I forget, were you working on touchscreen gui?
06:10 PM hazzy: yes
06:11 PM MarcelineVQ: thought so, neat stuff
06:11 PM hazzy: Here is the current state: https://github.com/KurtJacobson/hazzy/tree/GTK3
06:14 PM hazzy: https://i.imgur.com/0TfMIeQ.png
06:42 PM Phipliii: jthornton, JTShop I'm paying attention agai, were you looking for me?
06:43 PM Phipliii: *again
07:39 PM jym: DIY waterjet that really works... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg__B6Ca3jc
07:44 PM rene-dev: hazzy: is that hazzy with gtk3?
07:48 PM TurBoss: rene-dev: "is that hazzy with gtk3?" yes
07:49 PM rene-dev: Ah
07:49 PM TurBoss: hello
07:49 PM TurBoss: the stmbl is awesome
07:50 PM rene-dev: Is it only gremlin that is not ported to gtk3?
07:50 PM TurBoss: yes
07:50 PM TurBoss: I have failed hard when trying to
07:51 PM TurBoss: its widely wired
07:51 PM TurBoss: at leasy for what I know
07:53 PM TurBoss: would be amazing to have gremlin ported
07:58 PM rene-dev: TurBoss: I can do the opengl stuff, if someone else does the gtk and widget stuff
07:58 PM TurBoss: sure!
07:59 PM TurBoss: kurt or me could do gtk+
07:59 PM TurBoss: kurt == hazzy
08:00 PM rene-dev: now its possible to create a opengl context in gtk3
08:01 PM rene-dev: it was missing for a long time
08:03 PM rene-dev: stretch ships a recent gtk3 version to support this
08:04 PM rene-dev: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42598360/no-glcontext-for-gtkglarea-in-gtk3-python
08:05 PM TurBoss: I'm creating a gtk skeleton
08:06 PM rene-dev: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net/msg17565.html
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08:20 PM TurBoss: rene-dev : https://github.com/KurtJacobson/hazzy/blob/Gremlin3/hazzy/modules/Gremlin3/gremlin3.py
08:20 PM TurBoss: working module with empty glcontext
08:20 PM rene-dev: ah, nice
08:21 PM TurBoss: like the name ?
08:21 PM rene-dev: gremlin3? ok
08:21 PM TurBoss: yes okish?
08:21 PM TurBoss: ok
08:21 PM rene-dev: does that run standalone?
08:22 PM TurBoss: not but I can
08:22 PM TurBoss: sek
08:22 PM rene-dev: well, it needs linuxcnc...
08:22 PM TurBoss: ah
08:22 PM TurBoss: yes
08:23 PM rene-dev: I guess it also needs hazzy?
08:23 PM TurBoss: master
08:23 PM TurBoss: 2.8
08:23 PM TurBoss: yes
08:23 PM rene-dev: yes, I always use master
08:23 PM rene-dev: ok, how do I run that?
08:23 PM TurBoss: clone hazzy to any directory
08:24 PM rene-dev: yes, the gremlin3 branch
08:24 PM rene-dev: doing that now
08:27 PM TurBoss: git checkout Gremlin3
08:27 PM TurBoss: it comes with sim configs
08:27 PM TurBoss: I just set "DISPLAY = /home/turboss/Projects/hazzy/hazzy/hazzy"
08:29 PM TurBoss: works?
08:30 PM rene-dev: changing the path...
08:30 PM TurBoss: great
08:31 PM rene-dev: eh
08:31 PM rene-dev: im getting this new screen stuff
08:33 PM rene-dev: aah
08:33 PM rene-dev: so I have to add the 3dviewver
08:33 PM TurBoss: under uncategoriced
08:33 PM TurBoss: yes
08:34 PM rene-dev: ah, ok
08:34 PM rene-dev: so now I have to make it show stuff
08:34 PM TurBoss: :)
08:35 PM rene-dev: any way I can set it up so it comes up automaticly?
08:35 PM rene-dev: it seems I have to add it every time
08:35 PM TurBoss: the screen layout?
08:35 PM rene-dev: yes
08:35 PM TurBoss: is not saved?
08:35 PM TurBoss: checking
08:36 PM rene-dev: does the rest already work?
08:36 PM TurBoss: yes
08:37 PM rene-dev: ah, I can turn on the machine
08:37 PM rene-dev: how do I jog?
08:37 PM TurBoss: hmmm good question
08:38 PM rene-dev: cant add gtksource
08:39 PM TurBoss: do you mean the GcodeEditor?=
08:39 PM rene-dev: gcode text viewer
08:40 PM rene-dev: ok, looks like still a lot of work to do :D I see what I can do about the gremlin
08:40 PM TurBoss: yes its not 100% functional yet
08:43 PM TurBoss: we talk on #hazzy at freenode
08:43 PM TurBoss: kurt knows more about the project state
08:43 PM TurBoss: but he seems away now
08:54 PM hazzy: back
08:55 PM hazzy: Hurray! Thank you so much rene-dev!
08:55 PM TurBoss: hello!
08:55 PM rene-dev: are you making an effort to port the rest to gtk3?
08:56 PM rene-dev: some stuff is already ported, see my link... can you use any of that?
08:56 PM hazzy: Yes, I am trying to port everything
08:56 PM hazzy: checking
08:58 PM hazzy: Which link? The mail-archive?
08:58 PM rene-dev: yes
08:58 PM TurBoss: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/compare/gladevcp_gtk3
08:58 PM TurBoss: this one?
08:59 PM rene-dev: yes
08:59 PM rene-dev: is that any good?
09:01 PM hazzy: Yes, especially hal_gremlin_gtk3.py
09:02 PM rene-dev: I will see norbert tomorrow, at some point he was interested in porting gmoccapy to gtk3, but stopped due to gremlin...
09:03 PM hazzy: yes, gremlin seems to be a hold up for several things, it is also a problem for chris M porting gscreen
09:05 PM rene-dev: can you check whats usable from chris?
09:05 PM hazzy: Yes, when I have more time I will go thru it
09:05 PM hazzy: I see that a lot of it uses pygtkcompat
09:06 PM rene-dev: I dont think thats the way to go
09:06 PM hazzy: I would like to stay away from that if possible because it is not long term solution
09:08 PM hazzy: For better or worse, hazzy does not use any of the existing GTK2 stuff, it is a complete rewrite
09:10 PM rene-dev: ok
09:11 PM rene-dev: will that eventually end up in master, so other guis can use it?
09:11 PM hazzy: Yes, I hope so
09:14 PM hazzy: I also hope that hazzy will be able to make use of the gladeVCP widgets once they are ported
09:15 PM rene-dev: have you considered using qt?
09:19 PM hazzy: Yes, I almost moved to QT instead of porting to GTK3, but I am so much more comfortable with GTK I decided to stick with it
09:20 PM hazzy: maybe a bad idea, but I have been very happy with GTK so far ...
09:34 PM rene-dev: hazzy: support is a bit bad, and there are things like this gl context stuff which only got fixed recently
09:35 PM rene-dev: Back then I asked in gtk irc how to create gl context, and I was told that it's not possible:D
09:40 PM hazzy: #gtk+ is almost an anechoic chamber! I don't know how 25 members can be so quiet, not even any join/part messages for days :O
09:41 PM hazzy: If you are patient ebassi on gtk+ is very helpful, but he is the only one that says anything lol
10:05 PM Tom_L: they must have stable connections
10:07 PM sync: or just a shell running in some datacenter like every pro irc troll should
10:08 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Steel9.jpg
10:08 PM Tom_L: getting closer
10:21 PM Tom_L: US. don't forget to sleep in an extra hour tomorrow
10:22 PM XXCoder: fall back ugh
10:23 PM enleth: good news here - robot works, is roughly mastered and performs synchronized moves correctly
10:23 PM XXCoder: means I basically work till what was 2:45 am but now 1:45 am
10:59 PM hazzy: looking good Tom_L
11:41 PM XXCoder: Wolf__: is is this why furries exist? heh http://www.channelate.com/2013/02/13/cupid-vs-hunting/
11:41 PM Wolf__: lol
11:42 PM XXCoder: click bonus