#linuxcnc Logs
Sep 22 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:27 AM samsagaz: some DIY pcb milling/router to recommend me?
02:01 AM archivist: samsagaz, cheaper(and better) to get them made for you
02:19 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
02:19 AM IchGucksLive: its getting a nice day here in germany
04:26 AM Loetmichel: soo, ratsnest dealt with. i am REALLY anxious to find out if that thing will work... http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16806&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
05:09 AM slipalong: Hi can anybody help me to get a test system running on linux. I have installed and configured a mill but can take it out of eStop??
05:09 AM slipalong: Getting errors about latency
05:10 AM slipalong: Its running on VMWare Fusion on a MAC as my real system is down in th garage
05:10 AM slipalong: Just want to play with installing feature on a test box
05:10 AM archivist: vmware is hardly suitable for realtime
05:12 AM archivist: I use real hardware with good latency, then experiment
05:13 AM slipalong: As I said this is a test box so I can install CNC-Features and play without breaking my real system.
05:13 AM slipalong: Not going to get connected to a real machine
05:13 AM archivist: I use a new spare box
05:14 AM archivist: new/used
05:14 AM slipalong: Yes I could do that, but not much room in my home office.
05:14 AM slipalong: Im sure on some of the youtube vids people have it running on virtual machines
05:15 AM archivist: one or two with some expertise and not running realtime
05:15 AM slipalong: I suppose I don't actually need to run to play with LinuxCNC-Features
05:17 AM jthornton: morning
05:21 AM slipalong: Ah found a demo config with config picker axis-mm. Will actually run now. Thanks for replying!
05:49 AM parth1799: hi
05:49 AM parth1799: i am new user in linuxCNC
05:49 AM parth1799: i need help
05:50 AM archivist: dive in with the real questions
05:50 AM parth1799: yes
05:50 AM parth1799: i have
05:50 AM parth1799: any one can help me to figure out my problem
05:51 AM XXCoder: thats not a real question
05:51 AM jthornton: just ask your question
05:51 AM archivist: only is you ask the real question
05:51 AM archivist: is/if
05:51 AM parth1799: ok how to connect my linuxCNC with HAL
05:52 AM parth1799: for adeptive feed control
05:52 AM jthornton: parth1799: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/about-linuxcnc.html#_irc
05:55 AM parth1799: sorry... i am new user. question is how to do "adaptive feed control in linuxCNC"
05:56 AM archivist: define adaptive feed, grinding wheel wear, plasma height, etc
05:56 AM parth1799: adeptive feddrate for wire EDM
05:58 AM archivist: someone did that see the youtube of it, if you stay in channel
05:58 AM jthornton: archivist: does this page come up in huge font size for you? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
06:00 AM jthornton: well hell he didn't stick around long lol
06:00 AM XXCoder: huh isnt mascot named Chip?
06:00 AM archivist: seems ok to me
06:01 AM archivist: +s
06:02 AM jthornton: weird I had to do View > Zoom > Reset in my browser...
06:02 AM archivist: http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/grabs/Screenshot-54.png
06:03 AM jthornton: XXCoder: I think it's Chips
06:03 AM XXCoder: yeah thought so
06:04 AM XXCoder: chipper apparently
06:06 AM XXCoder: guess not
06:06 AM jthornton: chips
06:07 AM XXCoder: aha yeah
06:07 AM XXCoder: no caps
06:07 AM jthornton: yea
06:14 AM Deejay: hey
06:28 AM Tom_L: hay
06:30 AM jthornton: hay
06:30 AM archivist: horses
06:33 AM Tom_L: chips
06:33 AM XXCoder: alum chips
06:33 AM Tom_L: mascot...
06:34 AM Tom_L: just updated something on there
06:34 AM XXCoder: keebler elves
07:07 AM DrippityDrops1 is now known as DrippityDrops
08:02 AM gene83: slipalong: on non-realtime, you will have to use a simulator config, but be aware that its incapable of doing some things w/o hacking. like simulating probe hit as its pulled out of examples.
08:04 AM gene83: I've hacked in a timer just so I could exercise the rest of the code. Volatile hack though.
08:06 AM gene83: so i've had to re-invent that wheel from time to time
08:17 AM * jthornton gives up on this buggy code and hits the shower
08:18 AM gene83: odd, doing my morning updates, both machines out in the shop proclaim synaptic is running already????
08:20 AM gene83: Looks like I'll have to visit them in person. But they'll wait. I only have one eye about half open so far.
08:31 AM * JT-Shop has to finish up the chicken palace today... they are moving in this evening
08:50 AM slipalong: Guy's, can anybody recommend a simple cam package that work with linuxcnc. I am just making simple items and Fusion360 is over kill
08:52 AM archivist: define simple :)
08:53 AM archivist: cam is generally not simple
08:55 AM SpeedEvil: play-doh -> 3d scan ->
08:56 AM archivist: also some cam cannot do certain types of work, then hand code or code cam to suit your job
08:56 AM archivist: full 3d is hardly simple
08:56 AM SpeedEvil: Blender is excellent at convincing you it could possibly do this.
08:57 AM SpeedEvil: But that is a very, very bad idea.
09:40 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
09:40 AM IchGucksLive: slipalong: still online
09:42 AM slipalong: I just want to make simple brackets with maybe 5 holes in a 25mm steel stock.
09:42 AM IchGucksLive: hazzy: still no reaction here
09:43 AM IchGucksLive: slipalong: easy to do in qcad
09:43 AM slipalong: I could hand code I guess, but surly there are some wizards or something
09:43 AM IchGucksLive: do you need 3D extrustion or only 2d for milling as 2.5D option
09:43 AM IchGucksLive: so here are some of my viudeos on this
09:44 AM IchGucksLive: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmwhCL92ZQRSVqFe3jGwJSQ/videos
09:44 AM Wolf__: check the ph scripts for lcnc
09:44 AM slipalong: only 2D. I have a copy of inventor 2016, but its a bit of an over kill for simple parts I think
09:44 AM Wolf__: pretty sure there is a hole pattern script
09:44 AM IchGucksLive: slipalong: wolf is right there are featurers that can code for you direct on the mashine
09:45 AM IchGucksLive: featurers
09:45 AM IchGucksLive: where is the wench when we need it
09:45 AM IchGucksLive: wench
09:45 AM IchGucksLive: beer
09:45 AM the_wench: I am not your waitress!
09:46 AM IchGucksLive: there it is
09:46 AM Wolf__: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_LinuxCNC_G-Code_Generators
09:47 AM IchGucksLive: slipalong: Qcad is free also sheetcam heekscam estlcam
09:47 AM IchGucksLive: there are lots of things you can use
09:47 AM archivist: features
09:47 AM the_wench: NativeCAM https://github.com/FernV/NativeCAM
09:47 AM IchGucksLive: thanks archivist
09:47 AM slipalong: Thanks Guy's there are a few options!
09:48 AM IchGucksLive: no more then tahat
09:48 AM IchGucksLive: archivist can yiu lock NativCam 2
09:48 AM IchGucksLive: NativeCam
09:49 AM slipalong: Is nativeCAM a rebrand of Linux Features?
09:49 AM IchGucksLive: slipalong where in the world are you im in germany
09:49 AM archivist: if you remember the right name you dont need the bot :)
09:50 AM archivist: slipalong, yes
09:50 AM slipalong: Sussex south of London
09:50 AM archivist: 130 miles from me
09:50 AM IchGucksLive: gloops is also there
09:50 AM archivist: ish
09:50 AM archivist: he is north
09:51 AM IchGucksLive: UK isbig if you need to travel
09:51 AM IchGucksLive: slipalong: give us a image like you are working on
09:51 AM slipalong: Its not big its just full of traffic
09:52 AM archivist: and effin cameras
09:52 AM slipalong: I don't even bother speeding anymore. Old age has its benifits
09:53 AM slipalong: So is NativeCAM a version of LinuxCNC-Features? Looks similar
09:53 AM archivist: gps beeps at me every time I drive into a camera zone
09:54 AM archivist: slipalong, I said yes already to that
09:54 AM archivist: renamed because features was too generic iirc
09:55 AM slipalong: ok I have just installed a 2015 version of Features :-(
09:55 AM slipalong: Cant as stock??
09:55 AM archivist: I think it comes as standard these days
09:56 AM archivist: or there was talk of that happening
09:57 AM slipalong: NativeCAM is current. Updated 10days ago. I will have a play with that.
09:58 AM IchGucksLive: https://github.com/FernV/NativeCAM
09:58 AM IchGucksLive: yes this is your friend
10:19 AM slipalong: Ive run the NativeCAM install script of the forum but have a blank tab on LinuxCNC.
10:20 AM IchGucksLive: what version of lcnc are you on there is a deb packe
10:20 AM slipalong: 2.7.0
10:21 AM IchGucksLive: if you update the main source then you will have it
10:21 AM IchGucksLive: it is in 2.7.9...
10:21 AM IchGucksLive: we are on 2.7.11
10:22 AM slipalong: is linuxcnc a package now or do I need to make?
10:23 AM slipalong: I just downloaded the iso of the linuxcnc website and this is the version I got
10:23 AM archivist: then update it
10:23 AM slipalong: so just do an apt-get update?
10:23 AM archivist: yes
10:24 AM IchGucksLive: yes
10:24 AM slipalong: cool thanks!
10:29 AM IchGucksLive: till later
10:42 AM slipalong: wow this version 2.7.11 is awesome!
11:47 AM gene83: ncam-WOW! Even I might be able to figure it out. I'd given up on trying to grok the rest of the cam's, if no gcode out they=waste of time.
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:12 PM XXCoder: good morning
12:24 PM Tom_L: happy friday
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: getting dark here
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: washington still on fire
12:25 PM XXCoder: nah most of fire is gone, besides that one
12:25 PM Tom_L: 1st fall day, Hi today 92°F
12:25 PM XXCoder: I think that ones gone also
12:25 PM Tom_L: great start to fall
12:25 PM XXCoder: here its been fall-ish weather for a week. awesome because it cleaned out air and stopped most fires
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: isent it fall all over the world from today
01:07 PM archivist: nah just half, the other half is spring
01:07 PM IchGucksLive: :O :P ;-)
01:07 PM IchGucksLive: tomorrow we start corn harvest
01:08 PM IchGucksLive: and on wendsday we start the energy corn harvest a big deal
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: there comes the nativ master slipalong
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: slipalong: now Pro
01:10 PM slipalong: Hi Im just evaluation LinuxCNC as an running the AXIS UI. Is there a nicer looking interface?
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: there are more then one
01:10 PM archivist: looks are not everything
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: slipalong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANSRDQeWkMA
01:11 PM archivist: many of the ui's can be modified to suit
01:11 PM slipalong: Axis is a bit old fashioned looking. small buttons and lots of grey space
01:11 PM slipalong: what UI do people typically use
01:12 PM IchGucksLive: depends on
01:12 PM archivist: functionality matters more imo
01:12 PM IchGucksLive: so gemoccapy is popular
01:12 PM slipalong: Im using it on a mill.
01:12 PM IchGucksLive: if you are on touch you use touchy
01:12 PM IchGucksLive: hazzy got a real cool one
01:13 PM slipalong: I am intending to get a 20" touch screen but at the moment I have a mouse and keyboard
01:13 PM archivist: I use axis fore lathe, mill and hobbing machine
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: <- goes along with archivist
01:14 PM archivist: and for the odd testing projects too
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: archivist i got 1.5k hits on the modern UI
01:15 PM IchGucksLive: so many out there to get colored
01:15 PM slipalong: I will try a few out. I just wondered if there was one in paticular that was popular and being more actively developed.
01:16 PM IchGucksLive: if you stay on mainstream you wuill be alday up
01:16 PM IchGucksLive: slipalong: try gemoccapy then decide
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: im off bye
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8 from germany
01:18 PM slipalong: So to change the UI I just set the DISPLAY in my ini file ?
01:19 PM archivist: yes
01:19 PM archivist: there may be some extra connections needed
01:20 PM slipalong: yes think you are right just change it to gemoccapy and its not happy
01:20 PM archivist: was that spelling right
01:21 PM slipalong: gemoccapy
01:21 PM archivist: I just saw something next door gmoccapy
01:21 PM slipalong: ah there is no e
01:22 PM archivist: IRC includes mandatory tyop
01:23 PM slipalong: lol
01:23 PM slipalong: That us a nicer looking screen no doubt about it.
01:24 PM archivist: to me there are too many guis, means some suffer from bitrot
01:26 PM slipalong: do you happen to know what the unlock code it?
01:26 PM archivist: unlock?
01:27 PM slipalong: they is a system lock screen to get past before you can do anything
01:28 PM slipalong: I will google
01:28 PM archivist: I use axis no locks!
01:30 PM archivist: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/gmoccapy.html#gmoccapy:hardware-unlock ?
01:30 PM archivist: may need to connect something to that to set it
01:31 PM archivist: and give an unlock code, witch is 123 as default
01:32 PM archivist: JT-Shop, typo "witch" http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/gmoccapy.html#gmoccapy:settings-page
01:51 PM CaptHindsight: please no emoji UI, new is rarely better
01:52 PM archivist: you dont want a smiley for machining done?
01:54 PM gloops: no
01:55 PM gloops: i want donkey kong to climb the z axis and beat his chest
01:59 PM CaptHindsight: be careful for what you wish for
02:03 PM CaptHindsight: big button UI http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/touchy.html
02:05 PM CaptHindsight: grey with neon buttons http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/gmoccapy.html also easier to modify than Axis
02:09 PM CaptHindsight: grey with cooler buttons https://www.tormach.com/blog/pathpilot-moves-out-of-beta/
02:11 PM CaptHindsight: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Screenshots
02:12 PM CaptHindsight: TkLinuxCNC = lotsa Blue?
02:13 PM CaptHindsight: http://engr3131.weebly.com/craftsmancnc.html https://forum.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/17476/linuxcncscreen.jpg
02:14 PM CaptHindsight: too much neon green for me
02:16 PM CaptHindsight: hazzy is interesting since it's going to be drag a drop configurable https://forum.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/22532/joint_dro.png
02:18 PM CaptHindsight: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Gscreen_Customization
02:18 PM CaptHindsight: just noticed this one ^^
02:21 PM Jymmm: Sme of these are actually not half bad... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxviTLVjvDQ
02:21 PM Jymmm: Some*
02:23 PM CaptHindsight: were were just talking about making a new one that would run on x86 or ARM using Vulkan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulkan_(API)#Rendering_engines
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: we could have the 3d preview rendered in full color and shading vs just a wire frame
02:27 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: which UI do you prefer?
02:28 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: for?
02:30 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Oh, btw I can across a spray adhesive for PE
02:30 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: no heat treatment needed
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: milling
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: polyethylene?
02:32 PM Jymmm: keystick
02:32 PM Jymmm: yes
02:32 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.pslc.ws/macrog/maindir.htm http://www.pslc.ws/macrog/pe.htm
02:33 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Most things wont stick to PE/PP
02:33 PM CaptHindsight: no?
02:34 PM Jymmm: No, especially PP
02:34 PM Jymmm: And, as I'm finding out, not polyester either.
02:34 PM CaptHindsight: I have stuff I can't store in it since it melts it
02:35 PM Jymmm: must be solvent/alcohol based
02:35 PM CaptHindsight: some monomers are great solvents for polymers
02:36 PM Jymmm: Yeah, alcohol is pretty much lethal to acrylic =)
02:36 PM CaptHindsight: can't mix it with a plastic spoon or all you have left is the handle
02:36 PM CaptHindsight: depends
02:37 PM CaptHindsight: take a look at that website onpolymers if youre interetsed
02:37 PM CaptHindsight: acrylics are a family
03:56 PM jthornton: dumb, I keep ending up with stupid active low 5v relays...
04:33 PM McBride36 is now known as NotMcBride36
04:33 PM NotMcBride36 is now known as McBride36
04:45 PM Tom_L: jthornton, how's the eagle board working out?
04:46 PM JT-Shop: not had time to work on it last few days
04:47 PM Tom_L: kinda glad you asked about eagle.. reminded me how much i forgot about it
04:48 PM Tom_L: definitely need a review if i make more boards
05:03 PM JT-Shop: damn I can't even get a relay to work
05:20 PM Deejay: gn8
06:45 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: ya in?
07:42 PM Vitran: Hello! I got pulled into a crazy task of machining a 1:1 styrofoam model of a Tronto streetcar track
07:43 PM XXCoder: fancy
07:43 PM Vitran: Making a model to drop on the table in court. Person got hurt going over it (it is a 2" jump)
07:43 PM XXCoder: you have machine or wire cutter that big?
07:43 PM Vitran: Deckel FP50CC/T 190cm x 60 cm x 45 cm bed
07:43 PM Vitran: I got room
07:44 PM Vitran: Trying to figure out FS atm
07:44 PM XXCoder: honestly as long as it blows away chips I dont think there is a limit
07:44 PM XXCoder: besides keeping cut accurate
07:44 PM Vitran: From what I found, 60-70 ipm
07:45 PM Vitran: and a 1/4" cutter going at 12000rpm to compare the speeds
07:45 PM Vitran: A single or double cut cutter
07:46 PM Vitran: My current problem will be dividing up the code. The machine has 384kb of memory, so bit of a kneecap in doing surface machining
07:47 PM Vitran: What projects are people working on at the moment?
07:55 PM Jymmm: Vitran: Universe Domination in three easy steps!
07:57 PM XXCoder: working on spacetime shatterer
08:01 PM Jymmm: XXCoder: gubermint hates competition
08:02 PM XXCoder: weed?
08:02 PM XXCoder: because results is all weird
08:07 PM Vitran: I got good news from PWC! He checked out my fried boards and fixed them up!
08:10 PM XXCoder: nice so what was wrong
08:11 PM Vitran: I wired up 24VDC to 5V input
08:11 PM Vitran: The 7i64 was fine
08:11 PM Vitran: the 7i77 was blown all over
08:12 PM Vitran: I wired up 24VDC into it because I forgot I needed 5V. I spent so long looking over the machine wiring diagrams that I forgot about the driver boards themselves
08:13 PM XXCoder: ow
08:13 PM Vitran: First wiring layout I made the mistake of sourcing in place of sinking on the machine, so I rewired the whole control board
08:14 PM Vitran: Then when I rewired it, I found I didn't have any 5V demands on the machine
08:14 PM Vitran: so I removed it and made a mistep in wiring 24V into the 5V
08:24 PM XXCoder: wow getting tired. naptime later'
09:24 PM gloops: how do you get gcode for robot arm?
11:56 PM rue_shop3: interfearance fit for ~14mm shaft, 0.05mm?