#linuxcnc Logs

Sep 20 2017

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:48 AM Crom_: Er32 holders are pretty nice looking, waiting for test indicator to show up to test them
12:51 AM Crom_: Now to build some er holders
12:51 AM Crom_: Err tts holders
01:19 AM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/19/electric-bus-travels-record-1101-miles-on-one-charge/
01:43 AM IchGucksLive: morning from cold germany
01:43 AM IchGucksLive: CaptHindsight: the future is right at the plug
01:56 AM IchGucksLive: till later
03:00 AM Deejay: moin
04:04 AM Loetmichel: hmm, anyone here that have a cheap german source for a vertical bandsaw that can do 400mm wide cuts in 2000mm*1000mm sheet aluminium and brass up to 4mm thickness? Or a better solution for that problem? I am kinda fed up to pay the sheet metal supplier 5 times 5 eur for each sheet to cut it into 400mm wide strips to fit on my CNC mill...
04:06 AM archivist: look at the edges, were they shearing or sawing
04:11 AM archivist: full sheet size of http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165182-3-In-1-Manual-Sheet-Metal-Shear-Brake-Roller-Bending-Machine-1016mm-/282393526433
04:12 AM archivist: we had something like http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/F-J-Edwards-Sheet-Metal-Guillotine-/272834709701 at the clockworks
04:14 AM archivist: have you got space http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STECO-Hydraulic-3m-X-6mm-Sheet-Metal-Guillotine-/282645491050
04:45 AM Loetmichel: archivist: shearing
04:45 AM Loetmichel: i dont have to look at the edges, i was there seeing the big hydraulic shear they cut the sheets with
04:46 AM Loetmichel: and i neither have the space nor the money to do a big sheet metal guillotine
05:03 AM archivist: isnt this the lazy bosses costs though
05:04 AM archivist: he has to make space and buy tools
05:15 AM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: for aluminium and brass at 4mm, a jigsaw would work fine
05:15 AM SpeedEvil: Or a circular saw, with a guide.
05:18 AM jthornton: morning
05:18 AM XXCoder: yo
05:19 AM jthornton: looks like a hot week here
05:20 AM XXCoder: yeah? been awesomely cool week here
05:20 AM XXCoder: air quality have gone down all way down to 17
05:21 AM jthornton: is a low number good?
05:21 AM XXCoder: 0 is perfect
05:21 AM XXCoder: 500 gives you fairly bad case of deads heh
05:23 AM jthornton: hmm the national weather service air quality page has two numbers ozone and surface smoke
05:25 AM XXCoder: https://airnow.gov/index.cfm
05:25 AM XXCoder: PM and O3
05:26 AM jthornton: hmm the mississippi valley has a yellow streak
05:27 AM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: jigsaw would take ages. And circular saw is how i do it now, isnt very safe though due to the high speed of a "wood saw" in metal. tends to seize and kick back often, nothing i would my underlings to experience.
05:28 AM XXCoder: Loetmichel: cant do multi-pass?
05:28 AM SpeedEvil: you can get slower metal saws.
05:28 AM XXCoder: like half of thickmness then finish
05:29 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: could do, if i had a guide
05:29 AM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: are you using a guide of some form?
05:29 AM XXCoder: wow loet can see future
05:29 AM Loetmichel: free hand its single pass or pass ;)
05:30 AM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: Take one 8" sheet of ply, the length of the cut you want, one 1", glue the 1" along the edge of the 8", and then run the saw along the 1", cutting the 8" off to flush with the cut.
05:30 AM Loetmichel: a slower saw with a special "alu" blade would work well i imagine...
05:30 AM archivist: Loetmichel, you have an aluminium blade in it?
05:31 AM SpeedEvil: This is then a nice guide that will make cutting much easier.
05:31 AM archivist: the correct blade is important and "just works"
05:31 AM SpeedEvil: And avoid scratching. The saw runs on the guide, not the work
05:31 AM Loetmichel: archivist: no, of course not. these are more expensive than the saw itself :)
05:31 AM jthornton: Evolution EVOSAW180HD 7-1/4-Inch Steel Cutting Circular Saw
05:31 AM archivist: Loetmichel, I got mine in Aldi/Lidl
05:32 AM Loetmichel: i just thought a big bandsaw would be safer and less space wasted than a ciircular saw with guides
05:32 AM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: the guide can be stood against a wall when not needed
05:33 AM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: It is literally two bits of ply. You can also get 'proper' track saws that have a clamp onto an aluminium guide.
05:33 AM archivist: a bit of wax on the blade also for lube
05:33 AM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: yes, but the waste bnopard underneat so i dont damage the PVC floor cant
05:33 AM Loetmichel: board
05:34 AM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: you put a sheet of scrap ply underneath, and set the blade to the right depth
05:34 AM Loetmichel: as i said above: wou would rather to have my underlings NOT handle that device at all... circular saws are way to dangerous for some of them.
05:34 AM SpeedEvil: ah
05:34 AM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: exactly, and that sheet will be in the way all the time
05:35 AM Loetmichel: i dont do much wood here.
05:35 AM SpeedEvil: which again can be stuck up against the wall.
05:35 AM Loetmichel: and the workshop is relatively small
05:35 AM Loetmichel: there is no room on the wall
05:35 AM Loetmichel: racks and storage
05:35 AM SpeedEvil: A bandsaw with clearance to get the sheet round it will be much, much larger
05:35 AM archivist: I was the underling at a factory making tipper bodies in the 1970's, I used a circular saw there
05:36 AM archivist: barstards never supplied ear defenders though
05:37 AM Loetmichel: hrhr
05:37 AM Loetmichel: i jut ordered a 5 pack of new "earmuffs" for my underlings
05:37 AM Loetmichel: because they dont like the onetime-use foam thingys that much
05:38 AM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: i only need 400mm clearance
05:38 AM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: plus sheet length on either side of the saw
05:38 AM Loetmichel: the largest strips the CNC can handle are 400mm anyways ;)
05:39 AM Loetmichel: yeah, sheet is 2*1m
05:39 AM Loetmichel: so i can cut 5 strips 400*1000
05:39 AM Loetmichel: out of it
05:40 AM Loetmichel: thats what the supplier does now... and charges 5 eur for each cut ;(
05:42 AM SpeedEvil: https://www.angliatoolcentre.co.uk/festool-561583-ts55rebq-kit-160mm-plunge-saw-240v-with-2x-1-4m-rails-2x-connectors-rail-case-and-t-loc-case-pid39388.html - or similar, with the depth locked, for example, and only to be used on the track, clamped down.
05:42 AM SpeedEvil: (there are other similar guide systems)
05:43 AM Loetmichel: festool guide systems are top notch. and horridly pricey
05:44 AM Loetmichel: and it still is a circular saw..
05:44 AM Loetmichel: with which i simply dont trust some of my underlings...
05:44 AM Loetmichel: lost digits or limbs is so much paperwork...
05:45 AM archivist: got to train them to make life easy
05:46 AM SpeedEvil: If you have it preset, and locked to 4.5mm of blade stick-out, issues are reduced.
05:47 AM Loetmichel: i now have a big(ish) scroll saw that does the task... but it eats blades like crazy and one underling managed to get the brass sheet stuck on the blade and managed to mange his finger when he tried to free it up again...
05:47 AM Loetmichel: mangle
05:47 AM XXCoder: doh.
05:48 AM XXCoder: did it spin again when it was freed, with his hand on it?
05:48 AM Loetmichel: no
05:48 AM Loetmichel: it sun all the time and he got the fingers in between the (osciallating) brass and the base plate of the saw...
05:48 AM Loetmichel: spun
05:48 AM * XXCoder facepalms
05:49 AM Loetmichel: thats what i did
05:49 AM Loetmichel: when he came for bandaid ;)
05:50 AM Loetmichel: (i was in dire need to conceal my hysterical laughter some way)
05:51 AM XXCoder: did he retain usage of hands?
05:51 AM Loetmichel: ... not that i am smarter sometimes... i managed to drill my left thumb bone with an 1/8" two flute TC mill bit in the CNC router once..
05:51 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: just a few bruises and small cuts
05:52 AM Loetmichel: nothing life threatening
05:52 AM Loetmichel: scroll saws are to slow to REALLY hurt
05:52 AM XXCoder: thats good
05:52 AM XXCoder: losing hands is one of fears of mine, right below losing eye or blindness
05:53 AM XXCoder: Hard iron. "A man working out in a German gym got a “very sensitive part” of his body stuck inside a 5.5-pound weight plate on Friday, according to officials"
05:54 AM jthornton: I wonder if that made it swell up lol
05:54 AM XXCoder: more than it was already? maybe? heh
05:54 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: not inside
05:55 AM Loetmichel: in between two of them IIRC
05:55 AM XXCoder: article im reading just says one plate
05:55 AM XXCoder: related: https://i.imgur.com/NVj8q.jpg
05:55 AM jthornton: I'm trying to decide if I'm nuts or not to want to solar power my chicken coop... I need up to 4 hours a day in the winter of warm light to stimulate egg laying
05:55 AM Loetmichel: i read that article that he forgot to put the inner rings on a dumbbell handle and had the two weights on the ends
05:56 AM Loetmichel: and then somehow placed it in his crotch and the top weight fell down...
05:56 AM jthornton: right now I have an extension cord run to it but thinking of also running a proper underground wire to it and out to the garden shed
05:56 AM XXCoder: jthornton: when in question, double it
05:57 AM XXCoder: Loetmichel: he must have been hard already, I have doubts it would get in faccid penis
05:57 AM Loetmichel: jthornton: i once had an underground wire ruunnung to a garden shed...
05:57 AM Loetmichel: with a 2kW heater in the shed
05:58 AM Loetmichel: ... you could see next summer where the line was running, the grass in the backyard was double the heigt over the wire than the rest of the lawn
05:58 AM jthornton: that's the other issue is heat during very cold nights I have a couple of 150watt heaters for winter... so that seals the deal I'm running power
05:59 AM jthornton: from the warm wire?
06:00 AM XXCoder: apparently?
06:00 AM XXCoder: or maybe it tapped into power :P (em fields)
06:01 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder / archivist: i could always do it this way: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12244&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 ... but i doubt OSHA would approve... (yes, thats me. my apprentice took that pic, stating that "he will put that on the "How NOT to do it" blackboard at the school.)
06:02 AM XXCoder: ohhh we got famous guy here
06:02 AM XXCoder: director of star wars
06:02 AM XXCoder: also, glasses not enough!
06:02 AM Loetmichel: jthornton: yes, from the warmth of the wire
06:02 AM XXCoder: Loetmichel: got idea for ya
06:03 AM XXCoder: grinder wheel on table saw
06:03 AM Loetmichel: snow melted a few days earlier over the wire than in the rest of the backyard.
06:03 AM XXCoder: if youre smart you could run it all over yard befote going to shed lol so got lush grass
06:04 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: also no hearing protection... Apprentice helped me to extignuish the trashcan with the alcohol soaked rug right under the table after taking the pic though...
06:04 AM XXCoder: you are crazy man
06:05 AM Loetmichel: a bit
06:06 AM XXCoder: you passed the interview, welcome to crazy inc!
06:07 AM XXCoder: this is just... lol https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/09/a-telemarketer-called-my-elevator/
06:07 AM archivist: that was taken between repairs to his fingers, no plasters!
06:11 AM Loetmichel: archivist: haha. its not THAT often that i hurt myself (unintentionally i might add).
06:12 AM Loetmichel: and no, XXCoder, i am NOT george lucas.
06:12 AM XXCoder: ah his twin bro then
06:19 AM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: as a harder to injure yourself tool, there is also the nibbler.
06:23 AM jthornton: back in the 70's at the ship yard the aluminum workers had a suicide saw we called it, a 4" air powered circular saw they used to cut out door and window openings, dang thing would grab a lot and jerk out of the cut
06:24 AM XXCoder: my bro has ladder I call widowmaker
06:24 AM XXCoder: ]its old ladder thats creaky and loose as hell, my bro refuses to get rid of it bah
06:25 AM jthornton: wood ladder?\
06:25 AM XXCoder: yeah
06:26 AM XXCoder: its probably older than me
06:26 AM jthornton: usually they can be tightened up with the nuts on the sides
06:26 AM XXCoder: usually. yeah
06:29 AM XXCoder: http://www.king5.com/ext/news/nation-now/jogger-known-as-the-mad-pooper-keeps-pooping-on-sidewalk-in-colorado-springs/281/nationnow/67ZCzA9GKs84aGsEYIgiys
06:29 AM XXCoder: wtf
06:31 AM jthornton: must have strong chicken genes lol
06:33 AM XXCoder: apparently
06:33 AM XXCoder: you are what you eat?
06:37 AM gloops: right thats the mrs car sorted, ill note this extreme generosity on my part for the future
06:37 AM gloops: she wont be complaining when i order some ballscrews and bearings
06:38 AM * gloops pores over ebay watch list
06:42 AM jthornton: gloops: I found this the other day to dig the remaining post holes https://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-48-62-4068-Clay-Spade/dp/B00004XPHB
06:42 AM XXCoder: heh when i initially read "clay spade" I thought "huh a spade made from hardened clay?"
06:43 AM gloops: hey never saw one of those before jthornton, looks just the job
06:43 AM jthornton: that and a 3" chisel to bust rocks make post hole digging a bit easier in rocky clay soil
06:44 AM gloops: no doubt, i mean hand digging isnt so bad if you got 3 foot of soft soil, but if you hit rock or stoney layers, it can take ages
06:45 AM XXCoder: around here soil is maybe 3 inches.
06:45 AM jthornton: yea in the ozarks it's rock glued together with clay lol
06:45 AM XXCoder: then infinite rocks all way down to bedrock
06:45 AM XXCoder: its due to great ice dam breaking long time ago
06:45 AM gloops: we've got a foot of topsoil then quickly turning to solid limestone
06:46 AM XXCoder: whole foot wow
06:46 AM gloops: you always get one peice of rock smack in the way thats like a dragons tooth, ages chopping and prising and pulling at it, leaves a hole bigger than the one you wanted to make in the first place
06:47 AM SpeedEvil: Large diamond core bit.
06:47 AM SpeedEvil: (mostly kidding)
06:47 AM gloops: if youve got a few to do its better to get some mechanical power on the job
06:47 AM XXCoder: essentally impossible to dig here lol
06:47 AM XXCoder: unless someone made a real efford to deepen soil
06:48 AM XXCoder: at old home, someone did that. took him year and half
06:48 AM SpeedEvil: https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/500g-60-70-industrial-synthetic-diamnd-powder-for-making-diamond-abrasive-tools/32779756571.html + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYphOR0Jegw
06:48 AM XXCoder: and soil was amazing after that. and maybe whole 8 inches deep
06:48 AM gloops: you can go shallower and wider for concrete but you do need a certain amount of depth, theyre also setting posts with foam these days
06:48 AM XXCoder: he basically churned up soil taking all rocks and taking deep super rocky layer up
06:49 AM XXCoder: left it for long while, keeping it clear of weeds
06:49 AM XXCoder: adding more soil
06:49 AM XXCoder: then he did it again then again
06:49 AM XXCoder: then finally tamp it down and grew grass
06:49 AM XXCoder: he had easily greenest yard of entire area lol
06:49 AM gloops: yeah you could terrace it up or something
06:50 AM XXCoder: yeah. old home soil is actually worse than we have here now lol
06:50 AM XXCoder: I doubt it was whole inch of soil lol
06:50 AM XXCoder: here its around 2-3 inches
06:51 AM gloops: this the foam stuff, they sell it in the big diy sheds now http://www.rainbowtech.net/products/view.php?cn=2877
06:51 AM XXCoder: heh i remember this facebook post, guy was complaining about inability to dig more than 2 foot of soil. I just lol'd on that
06:51 AM XXCoder: that guy'd hate here!
06:51 AM gloops: i went to my mates and he was getting some posts out, theyd been fixed with foam, id never seen it, surprisingly solid
06:54 AM gloops: we have enough to grow carrots and potatoes
06:54 AM XXCoder: we have enough, as soon as we add boxes lol
06:55 AM XXCoder: my neice made a box planter to grow some vegs. was nice
07:00 AM gloops: well, wanted get spindle fired up today, no postman yet though, have to do something else
07:01 AM IchGucksLive: hi
09:35 AM mrme_ is now known as mrme
10:25 AM IchGucksLive: hi
11:31 AM jelly-home is now known as jelly
11:40 AM Loetmichel: Hurrhurr... we just had the dell sales rep at the company. my 7-8 year old Dell Precision M6500 is faster than his new company notebook. Then he noticed that we both are FPS gamers... and then he saw only the rear lights of my 1999 BMW 318i with his brandnew vompany VW sharan... i think i frusted him a bit today. BTW: the 318i is a leetle bit thirsty when revving each gear to the max with
11:40 AM Loetmichel: open canopy... less than 20km drive and it took 1/8 of the fuel gauge... ~5 liters
11:42 AM gregcnc: 9mpg from a 1.8L?
11:47 AM Loetmichel: gregcnc: if you floor it all the time...
11:48 AM Loetmichel: and have the engine revv at 6000 ;)
11:48 AM Loetmichel: with moderate driving i get about 23mpg
11:50 AM gregcnc: don't most people get closer to 35mpg?, even my wife manage 22-23 in her automatic 328.
11:52 AM Loetmichel: yeah, its a bit thirsty. but its a convertibel and open most the time
11:52 AM Loetmichel: thats a bit of drag... also its OOOOLD
11:54 AM gregcnc: hers was 96 and she can't live without AC above 20°C
11:56 AM Loetmichel: gregcnc: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16706
11:57 AM Loetmichel: and an engine from ebay because the first one threw a rod a month after i bought the car ;)
12:07 PM DSee: why does EMC forwards me to here?
12:08 PM cradek: LinuxCNC was previously named EMC
12:08 PM DSee: I'm looking for the fortune 50 company, EMC Corporation :(
12:09 PM DSee: or better yet, "Dell Technologies"
12:09 PM cradek: I doubt they have a channel on freenode, which is geared toward free software. try using your telephone?
12:09 PM DSee: no, just want to connect with co-workers
12:09 PM DSee: but thank you anyways
12:09 PM cradek: welcome, good luck
12:10 PM DSee: you too
12:12 PM gregcnc: we got a good review
12:22 PM Tom_L: better than most wanderers
12:33 PM CaptHindsight: 5 euro per cut on a shear from the supplier? They must be the only one around to be able to stick it to you like that.
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:41 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: they are
12:53 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: This is likely more memleak's territory, but do you ever disassemble MIPS code?
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: hi gloops does the vfd work
12:57 PM gloops: board not arrived yet Ichs, said wednesday, hopefully tommorrow now
12:57 PM gloops: im off tommorrow as well so fingers crossed
01:13 PM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick: haven't touched Mips in at least 10 years
01:14 PM FinboySlick: Right now I'm temtped to say 'lucky you'.
01:31 PM CaptHindsight: another reason why I try to avoid working on software :)
01:31 PM gloops: whats the crack with lazers then, i mean what is the laser part comprised of?
01:31 PM gloops: i can build the machine itself, dont know anything about lasers, i want to engrave wooden parts ive carved
01:36 PM CaptHindsight: safety first!
01:37 PM CaptHindsight: somebody here burned down their house with a small laser due to carelessness
01:38 PM Deejay: hm, nice word. carelessness
01:39 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/general-laser-engraving-cutting-machine-discussion/186700-software-forum.html
01:40 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: ^^
01:42 PM gloops: thanks, yes looks doable with my limited abilities
01:43 PM CaptHindsight: be sure to read about laser safety
01:43 PM CaptHindsight: it doesn't take much to blind or burn yourself
01:43 PM gloops: oh i cant see safety being a problem, i only want to burn wood in the garage
01:43 PM gloops: ahh right, dont want to blind myself
01:45 PM CaptHindsight: 20-30w of CO2 will do it in under a second
01:46 PM Cromaglious_: Hmmm old motor plate off the mill, I can use to mount a NEMA 24 stepper for the Z axis
01:46 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
01:49 PM gloops: what about these cheap 5w things they would be ok for burning wood
01:49 PM gloops: i dont want to cut or anything
01:49 PM CaptHindsight: LED laser?
01:50 PM gloops: is that what they are?
01:50 PM CaptHindsight: might also be a Chinese "30W" laser :)
01:51 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmB5W3mLUOA
01:51 PM SpeedEvil: CO2 LASERs are _MUCH_ safer per watt than visible.
01:51 PM gloops: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/15W-Laser-Head-Engraving-Module-For-Metal-Marking-Wood-Cutting-Engraver-w-TTL-/322762195525?
01:52 PM gloops: 100 quid
01:52 PM SpeedEvil: They are not focussed at all by the eye, and are absorbed completely by the surface of the cornea
01:52 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkUtIQGmwsc
01:53 PM CaptHindsight: Wavelength: 450nm (Blu-ray) ^^
01:53 PM gloops: blu ray yeah, that sounds safe
01:55 PM gloops: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-Laser-Head-Wood-Cutting-Engraving-Module-Marking-For-CNC-Engraver-w-Glasses/311941440205?
01:55 PM gloops: or that, £40, i dont know how they do it for those prices
01:55 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.osha.gov/dts/osta/otm/otm_iii/otm_iii_6.html
01:56 PM CaptHindsight: the laser diodes are pretty cheap when mass produced
01:57 PM CaptHindsight: cheap constant current power supply and an aluminum extrusion and 50 cent sleeve fan
01:58 PM CaptHindsight: 2500mW Laser Head and also Output Power:1.6W :)
01:58 PM gloops: well, so long as you dont look at it
01:58 PM CaptHindsight: so who knows what that is
01:59 PM CaptHindsight: hey. lets cut this shiny thing with the laser
02:00 PM gloops: all i want to do is burn patterns on wood
02:00 PM gloops: you can carve them with router, but then you have the problem of shading the recesses
02:02 PM CaptHindsight: good luck
02:03 PM CaptHindsight: and don't say nobody warned you
02:04 PM gloops: you make this sound like a high risk thing Capt, people are buying diy machines for $100 lol using them on their kitchen tables
02:04 PM MarcelineVQ: you'll want a ventilation system as well
02:04 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsNsM4HDx-c yes, idiots like this
02:05 PM gloops: b'jesus thats a big one!
02:06 PM MarcelineVQ: laser glances off shiney phone, blinds man who is also on fire
02:06 PM CaptHindsight: if you go to his other videos he does start a fire
02:07 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX9L0wGlE2w
02:07 PM CaptHindsight: hehe hah oohhh
02:07 PM gloops: my home made 40w laser shotgun!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVrJUbeuG44
02:07 PM JT-Shop: anyone seen phili lately
02:08 PM JT-Shop: seen phili
02:08 PM gloops: you really should credit me with more common sense you know
02:08 PM JT-Shop: hmm I thought the wench could tell
02:08 PM gloops: no not seen him JT, i wondered where he was too
02:08 PM JT-Shop: wench get me a beer
02:10 PM JT-Shop: crap it's hot 91F
02:10 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: I hear stories from supposed scientists at national labs starting fires and similar
02:11 PM CaptHindsight: wooden printer parts, not wearing safety glasses, etc
02:14 PM gloops: well, its easy done, take welding flash, every who welds has had flash a few times, quick glimpse without thinking - too late
02:14 PM gloops: if that was a laser - blind
02:15 PM gloops: you can get physical hot wire pyrography heads for wood, i cant see that being anywhere near as accurate or fast though
02:23 PM JT-Shop: purlin's are up... damn hot outside
02:25 PM JT-Shop: my favorite part is next... cutting the roofing tin in half
02:25 PM gloops: making a roof JT?
02:28 PM JT-Shop: yea I put 4x4 posts around the inner chicken yard and putting a tin roof on it so they have a dry place for the food etc
02:29 PM JT-Shop: I'll also run some 2x4 welded wire fence around that part of the chicken yard... kind of an inner defense line lol
02:41 PM JT-Shop: gloops: http://gnipsel.com/images/chickens-2/chicken-roof-01.jpg
03:14 PM Deejay: nice
03:39 PM XXCoder: nicely done
03:42 PM XXCoder: so I got some mail, its plain evelop, "insurance notification" on cover and "open now" on it
03:42 PM XXCoder: I open it, its insurance spam mail
03:42 PM XXCoder: now convinced on its awesome mail, I go get insurance from them
03:42 PM XXCoder: NOT.
03:42 PM XXCoder: fuck em
03:51 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:13 PM XXCoder: yet another deaf person murdered by cops
04:14 PM XXCoder: people told cops guy was deaf but cops didnt listen to them and tasered and parner shot
04:17 PM Deejay: gn8
04:21 PM JT-Shop: where at?
04:22 PM XXCoder: OK state
04:36 PM mrme_ is now known as mrme
04:38 PM Tom_L: damn, that's like the Hilton for chickens!
04:39 PM Tom_L: courtyard n all...
04:53 PM Connor: Placement for bridgeport. Up against a wall.. or in a corner?
04:54 PM Tom_L: depends if you plan to mill long parts or not
04:54 PM Connor: Kinda like them angled in corner.
04:55 PM Connor: Hoping to have someone who's had one in both positions offer feedback.
04:55 PM Connor: I have NO idea how big of parts will be milled.. It's in a community workshop.
04:56 PM Tom_L: my friend's is parallel to the wall
04:56 PM BeachBumPete: Cool my aluminum stock arrived today ;)
04:56 PM Tom_L: start hacking it up
04:57 PM BeachBumPete: That's the plan man
04:57 PM Connor: http://bridgeport.askmisterscience.com/end3.jpg Looks like it's a bit too far back in the corner...
04:57 PM Tom_L: i would hate that
04:58 PM Connor: Maybe I get our welder guy to make us a rolling stand.. http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f38/50163d1334164207-rolling-stand-bridgeport-rolling-frame-8.jpg
04:58 PM Tom_L: naw
04:58 PM Connor: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f38/50162d1334164198-rolling-stand-bridgeport-rolling-frame-14.jpg
05:01 PM BeachBumPete: I made something like that for my old knee mill but I sold the machine awhile back
05:02 PM Tom_L: hey pete, did you ever get a chance to pull your config files?
05:02 PM BeachBumPete: No I did not but I am going to start making the new prototype rail parts tonight so I will try to remember to get them LOL
05:02 PM BeachBumPete: Sorry man I keep forgetting
05:03 PM Tom_L: me too until just now
05:05 PM BeachBumPete: I kinda miss that old knee mill I had LOL
05:06 PM BeachBumPete: I would grab one or another round or square column mill drill for the shop for second op stuff if I got a great deal on them.
05:54 PM JT-Shop: yo Pete
05:55 PM BeachBumPete: hello Jt
06:02 PM JT-Shop: life return to abby normal down there yet?
06:02 PM BeachBumPete: Yeah man sure has...
06:02 PM JT-Shop: nice
06:02 PM BeachBumPete: working on some production parts here tonight
06:02 PM JT-Shop: cool
06:02 PM BeachBumPete: got the yard cleaned up
06:03 PM BeachBumPete: removed the hurricane shutters etc.
06:03 PM JT-Shop: you loose power for a long time?
06:03 PM BeachBumPete: several days
06:04 PM BeachBumPete: but I had bought a brand new generator before the storm hit
06:04 PM BeachBumPete: so we had TV and AC etc.
06:04 PM Tom_L: what more in life do you need?
06:04 PM BeachBumPete: you NEED AC POWER LOL
06:05 PM JT-Shop: I found an old diesel 3 phase generator for backup... no more puny generator limits lol
06:05 PM BeachBumPete: I would LOVE to have a whole house Generator
06:05 PM JT-Shop: this beast will run everything except the discovery 308
06:06 PM JT-Shop: she is a picky bitch for power lol
06:08 PM mrme_ is now known as mrme
06:09 PM * JT-Shop is pooped from building on the chicken tag mahal... goodnight
06:09 PM JT-Shop: or taj even
06:09 PM BeachBumPete: how do you run your house on a 3 phase gen?
06:10 PM JT-Shop: I just use single phase out of it
06:10 PM BeachBumPete: ah sure
06:10 PM BeachBumPete: how many watts can it generate?
06:10 PM JT-Shop: I think it is not as much amps as 3 phase but it's a trailer mounted gen set so plenty big... too big even but cheap
06:12 PM BeachBumPete: how much power do those truck mounted diesel welder generators output generally?
06:12 PM _methods: just depends on the model
06:12 PM _methods: i think the bobcat 250 is like 11kw
06:13 PM BeachBumPete: I wonder if it would be worth selling my 4500 generator to try to purchase one like that. Would probably run the whole house relatively easily I would think
06:14 PM _methods: it's worth it if you do on site welding
06:14 PM JT-Shop: 27HP 15KW
06:14 PM _methods: but probably don't want it just for a generator
06:14 PM BeachBumPete: well I definitely do some welding ;)
06:15 PM JT-Shop: it used to be a back up generator for a police station in the St Louis area
06:15 PM JT-Shop: time to get my chicken on...
06:15 PM JT-Shop: take care
06:15 PM _methods: well you probably don't want to listen to that every time you want to weld something
06:16 PM _methods: but like i said if you do on site welding or something it's probably not a bad idea because you'd need it anyways
06:17 PM BeachBumPete: https://i.imgur.com/fi4L07d.jpg Speaking of welding :)
06:18 PM _methods: damn nice
06:18 PM _methods: that all you
06:18 PM BeachBumPete: I WISH
06:18 PM BeachBumPete: but I am working on starting one here
06:18 PM BeachBumPete: right now in the research stages
06:18 PM _methods: looks like a fun project
06:18 PM BeachBumPete: that one uses all C4 control arms and coilover/spindle etc.
06:18 PM BeachBumPete: I think it would be TONS of fun
06:19 PM BeachBumPete: that guy has a Kawi ZX14 powerplant in it
06:20 PM _methods: wow
06:20 PM BeachBumPete: the only thing I am not terribly sure of is getting it registered once completed
06:23 PM BeachBumPete: its supposed to be registered as a streetbike
06:23 PM sync: uh
06:23 PM sync: not sure how that works out, but ok
06:23 PM MarcelineVQ: you'd be surprised what you can register as a utility trailer as well
06:24 PM BeachBumPete: well there are actually lots of trike kits out there for streetbikes
06:24 PM BeachBumPete: some of it has to do with the rear wheel setup
06:24 PM BeachBumPete: if you use the WHOLE BIKE in back
06:24 PM BeachBumPete: as opposed to making custom swingarm/linkages etc.
06:25 PM MarcelineVQ: If motorcycles weren't so terrifying to ride it'd be fun to build the akira bike
06:26 PM BeachBumPete: actually that is the very reason I wanted to build this thing
06:26 PM sync: they are terrifying to ride?
06:26 PM MarcelineVQ: smush protection?
06:26 PM BeachBumPete: not that it is like car
06:26 PM BeachBumPete: but at least you have some sort of a cage around you
06:26 PM MarcelineVQ: sync: the problem with riding a bike is that every other retard is in a car
06:26 PM BeachBumPete: I rode streetbikes for years
06:26 PM BeachBumPete: had like a dozen different sportybikes
06:26 PM BeachBumPete: everything from 500 up to liter bikes
06:27 PM BeachBumPete: had quite a few close calls
06:27 PM sync: yeah, but that's not very different to driving a car tho MarcelineVQ
06:27 PM MarcelineVQ: minus airbags and seatbelts and a metal shell
06:28 PM MarcelineVQ: well, chest strap seatbelts at least
06:28 PM BeachBumPete: its kinda like you get the excitement of the bike, sounds feel of the wind etc, yet you are super low to the ground and have some rather good handling etc.
06:28 PM BeachBumPete: I really like the idea of using the corvette front suspension setup
06:29 PM BeachBumPete: just have to get the geometry of the linkages right and it all bolts right up
06:29 PM sync: sure, but that does not terrify me MarcelineVQ
06:29 PM MarcelineVQ: you must have good drivers in your area ehe
06:29 PM sync: no really
06:29 PM sync: +t
06:30 PM BeachBumPete: we have some real winner drivers around here man jeez
06:30 PM BeachBumPete: mostly I just like the way the damn thing looks ;)
06:30 PM BeachBumPete: been wanting to start a very cool project for myself for once
06:31 PM BeachBumPete: something that I can also enjoy with the wife/kids
06:31 PM BeachBumPete: last time I took my youngest daughter for a ride on a friends motorcycle she cried and wanted off NOW
06:31 PM BeachBumPete: yet she was happy to ride on the go kart with roll cage we had
06:32 PM BeachBumPete: that guy did a nice job on the project I think
06:32 PM sync: haha
06:34 PM sync: it looks ok, but it seems like not a lot of thought went into some design choices wrt maximizing stiffness and safety
06:35 PM sync: I had something similar happen with a girl I took for a ride once, she started leaning the other way above a certain lean angle
06:35 PM sync: once I figured that out it was fun to observe what happened when I took a turn fast
06:41 PM BeachBumPete: https://www.facebook.com/john.felipe.750/videos/10155589104694105/
06:43 PM sync: oh god
06:43 PM BeachBumPete: what does that mean?
06:46 PM sync: I'm unsure if I want to like it or hate it
06:47 PM BeachBumPete: thats ok you can hate it if you want to.
06:47 PM BeachBumPete: I love it
06:47 PM BeachBumPete: I think it is quite well done
06:47 PM sync: at least he changed to a car tire
06:47 PM BeachBumPete: the picture I posted is of it after he got the frame back from powdercoat
06:48 PM BeachBumPete: I don't think he did
06:48 PM BeachBumPete: altho many of these things do run car tires
06:48 PM sync: look in the pictures of it
06:48 PM BeachBumPete: I am honestly not as much interested in outright performance
06:49 PM sync: unless he stretched a moto tire impossibly wide
06:49 PM BeachBumPete: as I am just having a fun ride that turns heads
06:49 PM BeachBumPete: what pictures are you referring to
06:49 PM sync: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155705267659105&set=gm.1642898972451782&type=3&theater
06:50 PM BeachBumPete: oh okay that is apparently new
06:50 PM BeachBumPete: if you look closely at those photos tho you can see the front suspension with the vette arms looks very nice
06:50 PM sync: it is the little things that turn me off like the coilover mount
06:51 PM BeachBumPete: its funny you mention that
06:52 PM BeachBumPete: I have been pouring over these photos and others like it for awhile now to try to learn how it all goes together
06:52 PM BeachBumPete: that is about the only thing I did not really like about his build. it seems like it needs more reinforcement
06:52 PM BeachBumPete: I also would use some more curved tube for the chassis if I could
06:52 PM sync: the front LCA mount also looks suspicious
06:53 PM BeachBumPete: I need to just stop staring at photos and start cutting some damn tube
06:53 PM sync: also the A loop looks quite weak with no gussets
06:53 PM BeachBumPete: at least they are both tied into the horiz and ver spars
06:54 PM BeachBumPete: keep in mind this thing is quite lightweight
06:54 PM BeachBumPete: the tube is 1.5 inch 1/8 wall
06:55 PM BeachBumPete: hes probably somewhere just over 1k with everything I am guessing
06:55 PM sync: sure, but a gusset along the neutral axis is not hard to do and would do wonders
06:56 PM BeachBumPete: there is a guy that sells a set of CAD drawings for one that is a lot more similar to the Campagna T rex but the information on it is a bit sketchy
06:56 PM BeachBumPete: I am no expert with front suspension geometry
06:56 PM BeachBumPete: maybe when i start this thing I will ask you some questions LOL
06:56 PM sync: especially if that thing hits hard on the top of the window frame
06:56 PM pfred1: I have a pretty good eye for alignments
06:57 PM BeachBumPete: how would you go about setting up for the vette mounts?
06:57 PM pfred1: I've totally rebuilt car front ends and never anigned them and they worked good tire wear etc
06:57 PM sync: well, if you copy the vette mounts well enough it probably works ok
06:57 PM BeachBumPete: that is what I am thinking.
06:57 PM BeachBumPete: I mean its basically ALL vette up front
06:58 PM sync: you absolutely have to have negative scrub radius tho otherwise that thing is going to be a bitch to drive
06:58 PM BeachBumPete: UCA, LCA, spindle, brakes, steering, etc
06:58 PM BeachBumPete: all you gotta do is ensure the mounting points are correct
06:58 PM sync: well, the UCA and LCA just give you certain lengths
06:58 PM sync: you still have to figure out where to mount them
06:58 PM BeachBumPete: exactly
06:59 PM sync: to get acceptable wheel travel
06:59 PM BeachBumPete: he is using a QA1 coilover that is adjustable which is nice but you still need to get the mounting points right
07:00 PM BeachBumPete: also the angle of the UCA is not flat it pitches downhill as you can see in the pictures. it mounts with two points so that is another variable I would need to determine
07:00 PM BeachBumPete: might need to make a friend with a guy who has a C4 vette locally ;)
07:00 PM pfred1: what's a UCA?
07:00 PM BeachBumPete: Upper control Arm
07:00 PM pfred1: oh those I've heard of
07:00 PM BeachBumPete: A Arms basically
07:01 PM pfred1: sometimes called a wishbone
07:01 PM BeachBumPete: lots of people make their own arms
07:01 PM pfred1: I've done the bushings in them
07:01 PM BeachBumPete: but I figure like this guy did why reinvent the wheel
07:01 PM sync: qa1 seems to be ok stuff, but I have no idea, they are not common here
07:01 PM BeachBumPete: when a good setup is readily available and cheap
07:01 PM sync: get a mounting point sheet for body repair of a c4 vette and make a template
07:02 PM sync: at least you have something that somebody with knowledge designed then
07:02 PM pfred1: that's what I was thinking a template
07:02 PM BeachBumPete: was not aware there was such a thing
07:02 PM BeachBumPete: I was going to try to build some sort of square tube fixture
07:02 PM BeachBumPete: to hold the points and then weld the frame around it
07:02 PM sync: of course, how else are you gonna pull the body back into shape when you crashed it into a tree
07:03 PM sync: you can make the front detachable
07:03 PM BeachBumPete: BRB
07:03 PM pfred1: a lot of GMs are like that
07:03 PM pfred1: them isolation mounts break and the whole front end falls off
07:04 PM pfred1: ripping design
07:07 PM sync: not just the front, but the whole front axle
07:07 PM sync: like a breakaway gearbox on monopostos but in the front
07:07 PM sync: makes it easier to reengineer
07:13 PM BeachBumPete: crankin up the VMC
07:14 PM BeachBumPete: gonna see how my new YG1 alu-power endmills go
07:14 PM pfred1: I was milling with some old endmills today
07:15 PM sync: BeachBumPete: if you can get some ZrO or DLC coated ones
07:16 PM pfred1: get some TLC coated ones
07:17 PM sync: that does not really help
07:18 PM sync: but old endmills are just the worst
07:18 PM pfred1: they work for me
07:18 PM pfred1: because i have the TLC coated ones
07:18 PM BeachBumPete: naah I like the bright finish uncoated ones
07:19 PM pfred1: every cutter must get stoned!
07:20 PM MarcelineVQ: isn't that thc? tlc is when you care for a mill very much
07:20 PM pfred1: I care for my endmills very much
07:21 PM BeachBumPete: Ooh that new coolant looks nice !
07:21 PM pfred1: enough to stone them when they're trying to get dull
07:21 PM sync: you'd be suprised at the difference it makes BeachBumPete
07:22 PM BeachBumPete: not really I have been thru quite a few different brands in the shops I worked in LOL
07:22 PM BeachBumPete: seen it new,old,skunky
07:22 PM BeachBumPete: but it sure is nice to see new coolant in my personal VMC now hehe
07:22 PM sync: then you are doing something wrong
07:23 PM sync: I've been really impressed by dlc in alu
07:23 PM BeachBumPete: Oh you mean the endmills
07:23 PM pfred1: I thought it was the geometry that mattered?
07:23 PM BeachBumPete: I have run a few coated ones
07:23 PM BeachBumPete: aluminum specific
07:24 PM BeachBumPete: some are quite good but the price is not worth the performance gain at least at the speeds and feeds I am running at
07:24 PM sync: they have gotten cheap
07:26 PM sync: also uneven tooth spacing is really nice
07:26 PM BeachBumPete: jeez man my vision has really gone to shit lately
07:26 PM pfred1: mine too
07:26 PM BeachBumPete: I just picked up an 1/8 3 flute
07:26 PM BeachBumPete: from my stash
07:26 PM BeachBumPete: looked fine
07:27 PM BeachBumPete: stuck it in a holder
07:27 PM BeachBumPete: then thought I better check it to see if it is wore at all
07:27 PM BeachBumPete: threw on my super peepers
07:27 PM pfred1: I was using my magnifying visor today
07:27 PM BeachBumPete: WOW it looked like a rat chewed on it
07:27 PM BeachBumPete: that is what I use LOL
07:27 PM BeachBumPete: one of those old timey headset visor magnification things
07:28 PM BeachBumPete: beats my reading glasses by a mile
07:28 PM pfred1: I wear both
07:28 PM BeachBumPete: am I really old enough to have this shit
07:28 PM pfred1: my eyes went about 10 years ago now but they have gotten worse
07:28 PM BeachBumPete: I am only 46
07:29 PM pfred1: I was 42 when my eyes went wonky
07:29 PM BeachBumPete: but then some folks wear glasses as a child
07:29 PM BeachBumPete: sucks
07:29 PM BeachBumPete: I used to have fantastic vision
07:29 PM pfred1: I was drinking a beer and I said to my friend the text on this bottle is way too small to read
07:29 PM pfred1: he said no it's not
07:31 PM pfred1: its funny because it looks like i can still see to me
07:31 PM pfred1: but i can't make out details anymore
07:34 PM BeachBumPete: damn I cant remember how I setup this prototype part LOL
07:36 PM pfred1: when you figure it out take a picture
07:44 PM BeachBumPete: I need to LOL
07:47 PM pfred1: harness the power of the information age
08:16 PM mrme_ is now known as mrme
08:20 PM Beachbumpete: Back again ;)
08:50 PM Crom_: Busy, busy day... picked up my throne (toilet from Lowes), bought a new hose (Lifetime warranty + Brass Fittings), new handle for the sledge hammer, $300 worth of electric parts for hooking up 240v cnc VFD and spindle.
08:51 PM Crom_: Right now working on getting laser cutter going again, back to the MLS atmega2560 board
08:52 PM pfred1: get your priorities straight install the crapper
09:02 PM Crom_: Still have to rip up the floor and the vanity
09:03 PM Crom_: on the laser cutter s/MLS/MKS gen 1.4 board
09:18 PM pfred1: Crom_ then I guess the sledgehammer handle moves up on the list
09:19 PM pfred1: I'm more of a prybar type of a guy myself though
09:19 PM pfred1: get something called a shoebar they double as sledgehammers
09:20 PM pfred1: man the Internet is so lame about this kind of thing
09:23 PM Crom_: hehe.. My Sledge has had a piece of 3/4 EMD as a handle for 5 years... time to get a real handle
09:23 PM Crom_: EMT
09:23 PM pfred1: weld some heavy wall pipe to the head of the sledge hammer as a handle protector
09:24 PM Crom_: I was thinking about doing that... add a couple of pounds to it..
09:24 PM pfred1: for those near misses
09:28 PM pfred1: I broke a sledgehammer handle on a clean hit once though the handle just followed thruogh on the shot
09:30 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:37 PM pfred1: now this is a manly wrecking bar https://www.walmart.com/ip/Jumbo-42-Wrecking-Bars-Crow-Pry-Nail-Puller-Big-Heavy-Duty/173097082?sourceid=csebr030fd074d1639743cd88a7ef70ff324b2b&wmlspartner=bizratecom&affcmpid=1023803443&tmode=0000&veh=cse&szredirectid=15059595148484924225710070301008005
09:38 PM pfred1: we call those shoe bars because we use them to pry up shoe plates
09:38 PM pfred1: but they'
09:38 PM pfred1: but they're good for tearing out all sorts of stuff
09:39 PM evilroot: $70 for a crowbar?
09:39 PM pfred1: yes
09:39 PM pfred1: I worked for a demo outfit and that guy made like 5 mil a week
09:39 PM pfred1: you think he cared?
09:40 PM evilroot: For me a wrecking bar means a big heavy straight bar with a chisel tip
09:40 PM evilroot: Like 5ft long and heavy as fuck
09:40 PM pfred1: that's a shale bar
09:40 PM pfred1: the right angle is better for ripping sheet rock off a wall
09:41 PM pfred1: you just punch the head in go down a bit and pull out
09:41 PM pfred1: then you drive the studs out once you got the wall stripped
09:41 PM pfred1: work on your long game a bit
09:45 PM pfred1: Petey always bought us new tools once he brought us a brand new pair of Greenlee loppers on the job and inside of an hour we had blown them in half on a live wire
09:45 PM pfred1: so he shows up lunch time and he's all these were brand new this morning
09:46 PM pfred1: but the next day we had another new pair
09:46 PM evilroot: You didn't test it with an inductive thingie?
09:46 PM evilroot: o.O
09:46 PM pfred1: hell no the whole place was supposed to be dead
09:46 PM evilroot: Ah heh
09:46 PM pfred1: man they blew up like the 4th of July
09:46 PM * evilroot has blown a screwdriver in half
09:46 PM pfred1: it was 4 1000MCM cables 3 phase to a 1000 amp circuit
09:47 PM pfred1: each cable was like an inch in diameter and Johnny was going through all of them at once
09:47 PM pfred1: we were hauling a dump truck load of that wire out of that building ever yday
09:48 PM pfred1: we were tying it to the times of a grabber bucket and just pulling it out
09:48 PM evilroot: I helped my father gut an old feedmill
09:48 PM pfred1: this was some old factory I don't know what they made
09:48 PM evilroot: It has wiring like that going up 300ft to the hammer mills on top
09:48 PM evilroot: *had
09:48 PM evilroot: We pulled it all
09:49 PM pfred1: whatever they were up to it rattled the whole building apart
09:49 PM pfred1: we couldn't get a core sample of the wall off intact to test
09:49 PM pfred1: so the whole place had to come down
09:50 PM pfred1: which was funny because the super wanted to save the president's office
09:50 PM pfred1: he was always carrying on about that room
09:50 PM pfred1: it was all wainscoated in wood you know?
09:50 PM pfred1: it did look sharp
09:51 PM pfred1: but when the whole building was slated for demo then it wasn't so important anymore
09:52 PM pfred1: plus it kind of got jacked up in a rainstorm when we cut the roof open anyways
10:05 PM Crom_: off to home
10:07 PM Sabotend_ is now known as Sabotender
10:45 PM evilroot: pfred1: my father is a sculptor that works in old metal
10:45 PM evilroot: So he'll be called in when they're renovating historic buildings/etc to get the really beautiful material before the contractors scrap it
10:46 PM evilroot: I've seen some CRAZY shit helping him
10:46 PM evilroot: Like the old headquarters of Amercian Toboacco
10:46 PM evilroot: It was straight out of a movie
10:46 PM pfred1: I've seen some modern art masterpiece rip piles myself
10:47 PM evilroot: Giant boardrooms with imported hardwood wall paneling
10:48 PM pfred1: posh
10:48 PM evilroot: Ashtrays for cigars built right into the massive table
10:48 PM evilroot: Made of solid mohagany 2" thick
10:49 PM evilroot: That building in particular was insane
10:49 PM pfred1: I was working on a historic landmark building ans they had boards abotu 14 inches wide and 20 feet long totally clear of knots
10:50 PM pfred1: we cut it all up with a chain saw to it could fit down a garbage chute
10:50 PM pfred1: damn crime but we couldn't do anything else
10:50 PM evilroot: Yeah, that's why they call my Dad first heh
10:50 PM pfred1: if one of them boardsd had hit a kid it would have been bad
10:51 PM pfred1: your dad a magician?
10:51 PM evilroot: For the wood he called in a different artist
10:51 PM pfred1: or can he just run really fast?
10:51 PM pfred1: you injure a kid and it is over for you
10:51 PM pfred1: this was a school and it was in session
10:52 PM pfred1: it all went down the chute
10:52 PM evilroot: He picks out the materials with real artistic and historic value
10:52 PM evilroot: And saves them to be turned into art later
10:52 PM pfred1: this place is onlime let me find it
10:52 PM evilroot: Functional art usually. Benches, tables, railings, planters, fountains
10:52 PM evilroot: The whole idea is he comes in BEFORE outfits like that
10:53 PM evilroot: And removes what he wants
10:54 PM pfred1: this is it http://www.dtsnewjersey.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Front-CsE.jpg
10:54 PM pfred1: I replaced all the cornaces on that joint
10:55 PM pfred1: I still got a couple of the original rosettes someplace
10:55 PM pfred1: but under the old cornices was like 150 year old wood
10:55 PM pfred1: which is why we replaced it
10:55 PM pfred1: because the shit was falling apart
10:56 PM pfred1: but way inside the wood was like new
10:56 PM pfred1: it still had to go though
10:56 PM pfred1: we replaced it all with fiberglass simulations
10:56 PM pfred1: each piece was like $6,500
10:57 PM pfred1: someplace i got ap ic I took off the top of the scaffold
10:57 PM pfred1: http://i.imgur.com/jvC9r.jpg
10:58 PM pfred1: I put up all that scaffold
10:58 PM evilroot: https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1215/1383336866_76ccb9ec90_z.jpg?zz=1
10:58 PM evilroot: Fairly low res
10:59 PM evilroot: But that was all done from stuff taken from inside the building before they renovated it
10:59 PM pfred1: yeah I've gutted loads of places
10:59 PM pfred1: clean them right out
11:00 PM evilroot: https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5281/5334003481_336832f1e0_z.jpg
11:00 PM pfred1: knock everything down but the columns and the outside walls
11:00 PM evilroot: Those were all from the boilers
11:00 PM pfred1: yeah we break that cast iron pipe with hammers
11:01 PM evilroot: Cool how it can be repurposed though, isn't it?
11:01 PM pfred1: I guess I don't go in for that sort of thing much myself
11:01 PM evilroot: There's a lot more than just that, but you get the idea
11:01 PM pfred1: oh yeah sure
11:02 PM pfred1: to me it is a bunch of scrap
11:02 PM pfred1: load it in the dumpster
11:02 PM evilroot: To my Dad its material to turn into something functional, to kind of connect with the history
11:02 PM pfred1: yeah we don't save much in this country
11:03 PM pfred1: I tore up stuff my grandfather built
11:03 PM pfred1: I was happy to be getting a heck for it too
11:03 PM pfred1: a check even
11:04 PM pfred1: commercial buildings have a 50 year lifespan