#linuxcnc Logs

Sep 19 2017

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:36 AM evilroot: Blah
12:38 AM * evilroot will build the ultimate LinuxCNC shop
12:38 AM evilroot: JUST YOU WAIT
12:42 AM CaptHindsight: TiN vs cobalt vs HSS for jobber twist drills
12:43 AM CaptHindsight: for drilling aluminum and mild steel
12:45 AM CaptHindsight: heh just read a post by a guy that sent out their bits for TiN coating and they came back Tin coated :)
01:06 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
01:07 AM IchGucksLive: evilroot: where will the shop be
01:10 AM IchGucksLive: second cat5 in a moth what the heck is going on in paradise
01:19 AM IchGucksLive: rain poring down here
01:36 AM CaptHindsight: really dark here
01:39 AM CaptHindsight: what time does Octoberfest open?
01:39 AM CaptHindsight: Weekdays 10.00 am - 10.30 pm, nevermind
02:05 AM archivist: enleth, CMMs are turning up on ebay in the UK every month or two
02:08 AM archivist: enleth, hmm this was listed at 2750 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Coordinate-measuring-machine-/253119924935?
02:19 AM IchGucksLive: archivist yes a big deal
02:20 AM IchGucksLive: im off Bye
02:34 AM Deejay: moin
02:51 AM mrme_ is now known as mrme
03:21 AM MarcelineVQ: gosh darn, emc is so dang cool
03:21 AM MarcelineVQ: I gotta hurry up and make a machine to use this on
03:41 AM archivist: it just fits almost any machine :)
03:43 AM Valen: even an etch a sketch ;-P
03:45 AM archivist: https://emergent.unpythonic.net/projects/01142347802
03:49 AM MarcelineVQ: geeze
03:51 AM archivist: or hobbing machines, robot arms etc
03:52 AM MarcelineVQ: interesting site that page links to goldmine-elec-products.com
03:52 AM MarcelineVQ: any of you used it?
03:56 AM archivist: no
03:57 AM archivist: I also used linuxcnc to measure the quality of worm reduction gearbox
03:59 AM MarcelineVQ: as in backlash?
04:01 AM archivist: no, the gearing error from tooth shape
04:02 AM archivist: http://www.archivist.info/cnc/wormtest/
04:02 AM MarcelineVQ: Beat me to asking, thanks for the link as it's not something I know about
04:03 AM archivist: I should finish that, not complete
04:11 AM MarcelineVQ: "it is likely the worm was milled with a dividing head with some error" is a dividing head used to position the multiple starts in the worm?
04:12 AM archivist: not if hobbed, yes if milled
04:15 AM archivist: remember dividing heads include a worm and wheel so have similar errors
04:21 AM MarcelineVQ: is the tooth gering error cause by poor workmanship, or error propogation via using tooling with errors, or is it something inherant in wormgear setups that needs to be corrected for?
04:42 AM archivist: MarcelineVQ, quality of manufacture
04:46 AM archivist: in general the error is smaller for a higher reduction ratio
04:47 AM MarcelineVQ: That last section was especially interesting where you make a summary between multiple devices and their errors
04:48 AM archivist: you can see others on the web discussing errors of gear reduction especially telescope mount makers
05:11 AM jthornton: morning
06:30 AM Tom_L: morning
06:31 AM XXCoder: hey hey
06:33 AM mrme: can anyone explain me, how i can build a servo amplifier which is connectable with smartserial to linuxcnc?
06:34 AM archivist: step one, are you an electronics engineer
06:35 AM mrme: yes
06:35 AM archivist: then you should already know :)
06:36 AM jthornton: did you look in a manual for a card that uses smart serial?
06:36 AM Tom_L: is sserial fast enough to support that function?
06:36 AM archivist: which part are you really asking about
06:36 AM mrme: archivist i dont know wath is necessary in the implemation to give this functionality in the end
06:37 AM Tom_L: you would have to map the step/direction signals thru the serial signal and i'm not sure that's been done yet either
06:37 AM archivist: stepdir? er wot
06:38 AM archivist: servo does not "need" step dir
06:38 AM Tom_L: well ok
06:38 AM mrme: archivist i think the amp will be connected over pwm/dir
06:39 AM mrme: and the amp parameters and enviroment etc is read out possible over smartserial?
06:39 AM mrme: or how to implement this in the practise?
06:40 AM archivist: sometimes people program the amp via windows, then use the 0-10v etc on linux,
06:41 AM archivist: but there is also http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/sserial.9.html
06:43 AM mrme: The remot cards are self-configuring
06:43 AM mrme: who do i have to contact cause of the tippoi?
06:44 AM archivist: no idea what you mean by tippoi
08:31 AM IchGucksLive: hi
08:34 AM IchGucksLive: firephoto: washington state is your target :P
09:07 AM IchGucksLive: im off bye
09:25 AM Vq_ is now known as Vq
10:04 AM SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPBTdSfLBg8 - neat
10:05 AM SpeedEvil: Solar Panels Made With a Particle Accelerator?!
10:05 AM SpeedEvil: Pop layers of silicon off by implanting a weak layer through the broad face.
10:09 AM CaptHindsight: avoid the HF particle accelerator, it's really not worth the $34.95
10:11 AM CaptHindsight: jthornton: where do you buy your jobber twist drills from?
10:12 AM CaptHindsight: _methods: same question ^^
10:17 AM gregcnc: I like PTD HSCo I've found in toolboxes I've bought.
10:19 AM archivist: I have a Costco box of jobbers, seem ok
10:26 AM CaptHindsight: I bought a bunch of sets on closeout a couple years ago, mostly ChinaCo TiN
10:27 AM CaptHindsight: they wear quickly in aluminum :(
10:27 AM CaptHindsight: seem to be pot metal coated in something yellow
10:29 AM CaptHindsight: carbides and cobalts I get US made at MSC, Mcmaster etc
10:30 AM CaptHindsight: https://drillsandcutters.com/jobber-drills/ ordered a few of each to try from here
10:34 AM CaptHindsight: some twist drill co sent out for TiN coating to a new source and they came back Tin coated :)
10:34 AM gregcnc: if time is not a factor i check ebay for deals on the good stuff
10:35 AM CaptHindsight: yeah, just restocking after checking inventory
10:35 AM CaptHindsight: I start to break stuff if I have too little sleep
10:36 AM CaptHindsight: especially when hand drilling
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: hi
01:12 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8
02:44 PM samsagaz: guys someone make PCBs? i have a question about spindle to use with that job, im planning to purchase a 60K RPM spindle but with low power (just 300w) and dont know if will be better to purchase a 40K RPM 1200W instead...
02:45 PM Tom_L: i doubt you need 1200w for milling pcb
02:46 PM samsagaz: with high speed will work faster right?
02:48 PM MrHindsight: also consider reliability
02:49 PM MrHindsight: how long will either work at said rpm and under load?
02:49 PM MrHindsight: how does price factor in?
02:49 PM pcw_mesa: certainly 60K would be faster for drilling small holes, whether a 300 W 60 KRPM spindle would run a 0.1" router is questionable
02:49 PM samsagaz: well dont know.. but think that the 60K is the way to go...
02:49 PM samsagaz: pcw_mesa, ok
02:50 PM pcw_mesa: or do you just mean a V bit for routing isolations?
02:50 PM samsagaz: V Bit and drill holes
02:50 PM samsagaz: just for pcb prototyping
02:50 PM samsagaz: to make small pcbs at home
02:51 PM MrHindsight: no problem with the 40k 1200w
02:51 PM pcw_mesa: I get itchy just thinking of the dust...
02:51 PM MrHindsight: what rpm will you get with a 0.1" bit and only 300w?
02:52 PM pcw_mesa: 300W at 60KRPM is not much torque
02:52 PM samsagaz: maybe will order both and will test it...
02:53 PM MrHindsight: are they both made in China?
02:53 PM samsagaz: yes
02:53 PM MrHindsight: ah then you really don't know until you try them
02:53 PM MrHindsight: Chinese watts vs real watts
02:53 PM MrHindsight: the 300w might only be 150w
02:54 PM MrHindsight: and the 1200w only 600w
02:54 PM MrHindsight: they tend to stretch the truth a bit in specs
02:54 PM MrHindsight: alternate specs
02:55 PM samsagaz: :/
02:55 PM gregcnc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDn_rykZHow
02:55 PM MrHindsight is now known as CaptHindsight
02:56 PM CaptHindsight: looks like youtube changed its look again
02:57 PM samsagaz: yes like this video spindle..
03:00 PM CaptHindsight: samsagaz: the typical Chinaco 300w spindle is junk
03:00 PM CaptHindsight: lots of runout
03:02 PM samsagaz: :/
03:04 PM Loetmichel: gregcnc: MAAAN is that thing "singing"
03:05 PM gregcnc: most don't even bother listing runout tolerance or guarantee anything
03:05 PM gregcnc: loetmichel I'd guess it has a balance problem
03:05 PM gregcnc: or bearings are alreday gone
03:07 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/302038189638 here is what real PCB routers use
03:08 PM Loetmichel: gregcnc: or were not good to begin with ;)
03:08 PM Loetmichel: the bearings
03:08 PM gregcnc: what do you mean? they were probably made in Germany, China
03:09 PM * Loetmichel s 240krpm 800W china spindle isnt even half as annoying...
03:09 PM Loetmichel: gregcnc: company germany, not city )
03:09 PM gregcnc: pfft details
03:10 PM Loetmichel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMXxjT4nNxg
03:10 PM Loetmichel: mine
03:10 PM Loetmichel: milling PCB
03:12 PM gregcnc: I have a westwind(?) I should try for fun
03:12 PM gloops: 60000 rpm, whats that good for?
03:13 PM gloops: bits will burn up like...
03:13 PM gloops: wood catches fire at 30k
03:13 PM gregcnc: https://youtu.be/u_uv9TNSZ5E
03:14 PM gregcnc: sorry this one https://youtu.be/YkbkpUBD4E8?t=40s
03:18 PM gloops: 700 ipm is beyond hobby/diy scope
03:18 PM gregcnc: 60k come in handy for tiny holes https://youtu.be/UZLiF4VOTMY
03:18 PM skunkworks: gloops, that is your opinion ;)
03:19 PM gregcnc: years ago the same would have been said of CNC
03:19 PM gloops: have you built a 700ipm machine skunk?
03:20 PM skunkworks: we have a matsuura running linuxcnc that will do 700ipm.
03:20 PM gloops: how much?
03:20 PM skunkworks: how much?
03:20 PM gloops: how much did it cost?
03:21 PM skunkworks: we got the machine for 2K
03:21 PM skunkworks: dead control
03:21 PM gloops: hmm thats not bad
03:22 PM gloops: well, i suppose, some good servos, good electronics, quality bearings
03:24 PM skunkworks: with anything - it isn't the speed - it is the acceleration...
03:24 PM skunkworks: not much good to go 700ipm if it takes seconds to get there
03:25 PM gloops: yes, im not pretending i understand much about this, but S curves?
03:25 PM skunkworks: not in linuxcnc.
03:26 PM gloops: well you cant just jerk it up to speed - or down
03:27 PM skunkworks: well.. you can.. been doing it that way for ages. linuxcnc has trapezoidal acceleration. so you have infinite jerk at the start and stop.
03:28 PM skunkworks: but servos are not infinite..
03:28 PM gloops: doesnt work very well on mine
03:28 PM gloops: whole thing will shake itself to bits if i try keeping that acceleration up
03:29 PM skunkworks: sure. jerk limiting would be nice. but actually slows things down also.
03:29 PM skunkworks: with our big machine - and the acceleration turned up - you can feel it in the floor.
03:30 PM skunkworks: (it is bolted to the concrete slab - 2 ft thick
03:40 PM XXCoder: trump just showed his nuclear penis at un
03:43 PM gloops: good, excellent, bring it on
03:43 PM XXCoder: I wonder if you will feel the same afterwards.
03:44 PM CaptHindsight: lots of jerks in CNC
03:45 PM XXCoder: yep. a61 is insane on that sometimes
03:45 PM XXCoder: small robodrills sometimes vibrate bit harashly with rapids
03:46 PM gloops: my gantry is pretty top heavy, cant accelrate too quick, its scary
03:46 PM gregcnc: machine design has many considerations
03:46 PM XXCoder: gloops: imange this. 500 pound tombstone, moves back one inch then forward again in second
03:47 PM XXCoder: I can feel that 5 feet away from machine.
03:47 PM gloops: iron frame shaking - not good, just instinctively know it aint right
03:47 PM gloops: is that what you cut XXCoder - granite slabs?
03:47 PM CaptHindsight: try to keep the lighter stuff moving and the heavy stuff still
03:47 PM XXCoder: no, its a tombstone. it has tons holes to hold parts on it.
03:47 PM gregcnc: pizzas
03:48 PM XXCoder: its on pallet
03:48 PM gloops: oh i thought you meant like a grave stone
03:48 PM XXCoder: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/da/c1/6c/dac16ca13a798f1350125dad09c03101--metal-shop-machine-tools.jpg
03:48 PM CaptHindsight: do you move the head (cutting/printing) or move the parts?
03:48 PM XXCoder: not same but close enough
03:49 PM XXCoder: a61 is horzional mill, it moves parts
03:49 PM gloops: oh one of those yeah
03:49 PM pcw_mesa: gloops: PCB drilling spindles are often 200K RPM or greater
03:49 PM XXCoder: havent ran a61 for a while, been running robodrills for while now. I'm impressed with robodrills to be honest
03:50 PM gloops: 200k for scoring a little board like that?
03:50 PM XXCoder: only negatives is door design and no temperate comp on z
03:50 PM pcw_mesa: Not that high a SFM on a 10 mill drill
03:50 PM Loetmichel: gloops: my old CNC wandered across the workshop floor... it was on two office tables... with 4 20mm*20mm*1mm steel feet each ;)
03:50 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.pcbshop.org/en/supplier/product_details.asp?ProID=1005&SupID=1062
03:50 PM CaptHindsight: RUNOUT ≦8um
03:50 PM Loetmichel: i waited three years for the welds on the table feet to fail...
03:50 PM CaptHindsight: SPEED 200,000rpm
03:50 PM XXCoder: 2 each of first 2 https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QrjgtxBgjjU/maxresdefault.jpg
03:51 PM XXCoder: smallest door isnt too bad, the middle door really sucks
03:51 PM Loetmichel: ... never happened
03:51 PM gloops: Loetmichel should have put some sandbags round it
03:51 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.kyoceramicrotools.com/pcb/speeds-feeds/pcb_feeds_200K_RPM.html
03:52 PM gloops: but maybe it was because it could move that the welds didnt go
03:52 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4935&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
03:52 PM Loetmichel: gloops: where? the tables were smaller than the CNC ;)
03:53 PM gloops: well i guess thats why electronics stuff is so cheap
03:53 PM gloops: speed
03:54 PM Loetmichel: gloops: that machine could do 170ipm on x and y
03:54 PM pcw_mesa: skunkworks: jerk limiting with the same acceleration bounds is slower than no jerk limiting,
03:54 PM pcw_mesa: _but_ often you acceleration is limited by following error, and if this is the case, you can often go faster with
03:54 PM pcw_mesa: the same error budget if you have jerk limiting
03:54 PM Loetmichel: it was quite scary with that heavvy gantry ;)
03:59 PM gloops: well if you a full order book it makes a difference
04:02 PM sync: gloops: huh? 700ipm is not too fast even for a hobby machine
04:03 PM sync: one of my axis moves at 56m/min
04:04 PM CaptHindsight: that's nearly 1m/sec
04:04 PM sync: yes
04:04 PM sync: (obviously)
04:04 PM CaptHindsight: heh
04:04 PM gregcnc: sync what kind of machine?
04:05 PM sync: it is the x axis of a gantry machine
04:05 PM CaptHindsight: the fastest moves for inkjets are about 6x that
04:05 PM sync: it is limited by the ball screw trying to whip
04:06 PM sync: I would need a driven nut to go faster
04:07 PM sync: the servo has a few more rpms left
04:08 PM sync: and I'm only overtorquing it 3x when accelerating at full tilt
04:08 PM CaptHindsight: 330m/min using linear servos and air bearings
04:08 PM sync: yes, linear motors can obviously go faster and accel harder
04:08 PM Loetmichel: sync: i had a few more rpms in the steppers left, too... but the long 16x4mm ballscrews started to whip around above 70mm/s. x i could go to 100mm/s
04:08 PM CaptHindsight: 2G max accel
04:09 PM Loetmichel: would have been better to buy 16*10 ballscrews
04:10 PM seb_kuzm1nsky is now known as seb_kuzminsky
04:16 PM XXCoder: hey you guys know whats reasonable KWh for house?
04:17 PM gregcnc: depends how much pot you grow
04:17 PM XXCoder: lol
04:19 PM Cromaglious_: er32 holders showed up and the 7/16 hold downs, now waiting for er32 collets, rotary table, icemaker...
04:19 PM djdelorie: XXCoder: for reference, my house is drawing 3500 watts at the moment, but most would consider my house "unreasonable"
04:20 PM gregcnc: i would say it's quite variable depending on equipment, insulation, and heating/cooling
04:20 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: I see 4Kwh as common for solar systems
04:20 PM XXCoder: djdelorie: im sure here is "unreasonablke" also
04:20 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: thanks
04:20 PM gregcnc: doing a solar install?
04:20 PM XXCoder: 20 panels interesting
04:20 PM XXCoder: gregcnc: want to but dunno
04:20 PM djdelorie: the monitors estimate 1532 kWh/month based on the last two weeks
04:21 PM Deejay: gn8
04:22 PM Cromaglious_: $200 at $0.13 kwh
04:22 PM XXCoder: what I am considering is enough solar to cut power bill down
04:22 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.google.com/get/sunroof#p=0
04:22 PM XXCoder: not nesscarily enough to power entire house
04:22 PM Roguish: XXCoder: depends if you want to totally run off solar, or just supplement with solar
04:23 PM Roguish: get some old Prius batteries.....
04:23 PM Roguish: usually scrapped with over 60% life left
04:23 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: that site suggests 11.25 kw
04:23 PM Cromaglious_: prious arent they nimh?
04:24 PM XXCoder: T $500 bill avg its 19 KW
04:25 PM Cromaglious_: 5kw would do me fine.
04:25 PM Roguish: 7.11 earthquake near mexico city. that's pretty strong..
04:25 PM XXCoder: yeah
04:25 PM JT-Shop: hey guys
04:25 PM Roguish: https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/#%7B%22autoUpdate%22%3A%5B%22autoUpdate%22%5D%2C%22basemap%22%3A%22grayscale%22%2C%22feed%22%3A%221day_m25%22%2C%22listFormat%22%3A%22default%22%2C%22mapposition%22%3A%5B%5B6.053161295714067%2C-138.1640625%5D%2C%5B60.88770004207789%2C-51.85546874999999%5D%5D%2C%22overlays%22%3A%5B%22plates%22%5D%2C%22restrictListToMap%22%3A%5B%22restrictListToMap%22%5D%2
04:25 PM Roguish: C%22search%22%3Anull%2C%22sort%22%3A%22newest%22%2C%22timezone%22%3A%22utc%22%2C%22viewModes%22%3A%5B%22list%22%2C%22map%22%5D%2C%22event%22%3A%22us2000ar20%22%7D
04:25 PM XXCoder: nice long url
04:26 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: depends on what you want to do but 3-4kwh is the low end for a well insulated homw not in extreme hot or cold
04:26 PM gregcnc: you use 19kWh a mnth?
04:26 PM XXCoder: nah wanted to see the extreme
04:26 PM XXCoder: we do use pretty lot of power though
04:26 PM Roguish: b etter https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/
04:26 PM XXCoder: 4 adults and 2 kids
04:26 PM CaptHindsight: I keep 1kw of light on 18 hrs a day
04:26 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: went all led yet?
04:27 PM Roguish: CaptHindsight: get some led lights
04:27 PM XXCoder: we did and it was awesome. we got cost recovered in only couple months.
04:27 PM XXCoder: we got lucky, here one store had HUGE sale on leds, just $1 for 60w and $2 on 100w
04:28 PM XXCoder: so we replaced everything and cost recouped in just couple months
04:28 PM CaptHindsight: T8's for now
04:28 PM Roguish: definitely skip the cfl's. they're crap.
04:29 PM CaptHindsight: if i walked around with a miner helmet I'd save tons
04:29 PM gregcnc: I think all my cfl are gone except for the ones in teh bathroom fans they don't seem to die
04:29 PM XXCoder: heh we are saving old cfls we used before leds so whenever we move, we can restore em and keep leds.
04:29 PM XXCoder: gregcnc: lol my restroom lights is 7 years old leds.
04:29 PM XXCoder: one of first generation
04:29 PM XXCoder: from days 60w ones didnt exist
04:29 PM gregcnc: all the other CFL died
04:29 PM Roguish: i just swapped some 40w florescent tube for leds from costco. $17 a pair. worth it. lots brighter and small fraction of the power.
04:30 PM gregcnc: had a cree LED die too
04:30 PM XXCoder: wait no
04:30 PM XXCoder: it was already 5 years old when we moved here. we are here for 5 years now
04:30 PM XXCoder: dang 10 years old.
04:30 PM gregcnc: and 6 chinaco GU10 LED
04:30 PM Roguish: all lights don't like the on and off switch.
04:31 PM CaptHindsight: a skylight would be a big savings
04:31 PM djdelorie: we have a solartube in one of our bathrooms, made a HUGE difference
04:31 PM XXCoder: the roof mount one that brings light inside?
04:31 PM CaptHindsight: but power co's need to eat to :)
04:31 PM XXCoder: using fibers?
04:31 PM djdelorie: XXCoder: yes
04:32 PM djdelorie: mirrored tube version
04:32 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: bah they can have cake
04:32 PM XXCoder: and everything else, they rich :P
04:32 PM CaptHindsight: nah just a sheet of plexi
04:33 PM XXCoder: time to go. thanks capt for link
04:34 PM gregcnc: I bought some Hyperikon T8 LED to replace T8 tubes as they die off.
04:35 PM Roguish: gregcnc: that's what i'm doing also in the garage/shop.
04:36 PM gregcnc: I have one to hang in the garage because the bulbs aren't enough.
04:37 PM JT-Shop: dang they are expensive
04:39 PM gregcnc: One of my old nonamer T8 LED died. seems like several individual LEDs failed
04:39 PM CaptHindsight: https://greenlightdepot.com/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light?variant=14462080068
04:40 PM * JT-Shop has 18 T8 two bulb fixtures and 24 T8 four bulb fixtures for a total of 132 T8 48" bulbs
04:40 PM gregcnc: that's a good deal
04:41 PM gregcnc: I use the bypass type
04:42 PM JT-Shop: what's the difference?
04:42 PM CaptHindsight: might be less than the current price of cfl lamps
04:42 PM Roguish: JT-Shop: that's 5280 watts.
04:42 PM Roguish: that'll spin the meter....
04:42 PM gregcnc: some run with the existing ballast
04:42 PM mtt_ is now known as mtt
04:43 PM JT-Shop: they are never all on, usually only have 4 two light T8's on
04:43 PM JT-Shop: maybe I need to change the 4 that I use all the time to leds
04:43 PM CaptHindsight: the 30 packs of 4ft T8's are ~$50
04:44 PM CaptHindsight: so 1/2 the LED price
04:44 PM CaptHindsight: but also 2x the wattage
04:44 PM JT-Shop: yea, that's what I got when I put the 24 T8 four light fixtures up
04:44 PM CaptHindsight: we just changed power co's
04:45 PM JT-Shop: I have a couple of led shop lights for the chickens but they don't impress me with the light brightness
04:45 PM CaptHindsight: they swapped in smart meters to better spy on as make sure you pay on time
04:45 PM Roguish: JT-Shop: https://www.amazon.com/LED-Replacement-Dual-End-Single-End-Shatterproof/dp/B01BW516B8/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1505855578&sr=8-5&keywords=t8+led+bulbs
04:46 PM CaptHindsight: Roguish: what life are you seeing?
04:46 PM Roguish: had 'em for a few months now. so no real comparison yet
04:47 PM CaptHindsight: I wonder if adding a small fan will improve their life
04:47 PM CaptHindsight: if it's a retrofit t8 tube
04:47 PM CaptHindsight: vs a properly designed and cooled fixture
04:48 PM gregcnc: I might try replacing the bad LEDs in the one that died.
04:48 PM CaptHindsight: they say 40k-50k hours
04:48 PM gregcnc: mine run just warm
04:48 PM gregcnc: it's an extrusion the LED strip sits in
04:49 PM CaptHindsight: I was going to wait for the 100W led high bays to drop to $20/ea :)
04:50 PM gregcnc: but contact of the strip to the extrusion is questionable
04:50 PM JT-Shop: I like the 6500k bulbs
04:50 PM CaptHindsight: yeah
04:50 PM gregcnc: keeps you awake
04:50 PM CaptHindsight: especially in winter
04:58 PM mtt_ is now known as mtt
05:00 PM CaptHindsight: I had a led light fixture co contact me a couple of years ago looking for design help
05:01 PM CaptHindsight: i could not understand how they needed 8-10 people to design commercial replacement fixtures
05:02 PM CaptHindsight: there is hardly anything there
05:03 PM CaptHindsight: are any of the electric car batteries hitting the junk yards yet?
05:03 PM CaptHindsight: or are they sent back to the car co's
05:04 PM gregcnc: you can buy on ebay
05:04 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/262333679871
05:04 PM gregcnc: I think those guys get them from scrap yards
05:08 PM CaptHindsight: got me thinking about solar systems
05:11 PM gregcnc: these guys filled an old E39 with battery and drove it 1200km https://youtu.be/rbnvZlPZZQc
05:14 PM Roguish: or you could by a Tesla battery pack for $$$$
05:15 PM Roguish: and MBZ is jumping into the house battery business too.
05:30 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: yeah on a one off run, lets see how well it does with the same parts 1 year later
05:30 PM CaptHindsight: driven daily
05:37 PM CaptHindsight: are the recharging stations free to use?
05:40 PM CaptHindsight: are people putting batteries in their cars for use at home?
05:45 PM mtt_ is now known as mtt
05:49 PM Tom_L: i doubt they're free
05:50 PM Tom_L: In the states that permit kilowatt-hour pricing, fees for Level 2 EV charging stations owned by Blink and operated on the Blink Network range from $0.39 to $0.79 per kWh, depending on the state and individual's membership status.
05:51 PM Tom_L: will your workplace allow you to charge for free?
05:52 PM Tom_L: will your supermarket? to promote your business
06:40 PM mrme: who is able to correct mistakes in the text here? http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/sserial.9.html
06:54 PM archivist: mrme, you can, do a pull request https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc
07:05 PM mrme: okey, will do that tomorrow, i should go to bed now, it is allready 1.33 in the morning here
07:13 PM zeeshan: allen bradley has too many servo drives :p
07:13 PM Tom_L: so?
07:13 PM zeeshan: its confusing
07:13 PM zeeshan: try picking one
07:14 PM zeeshan: its a nightmare
07:14 PM Tom_L: finally got orient code to work
07:14 PM zeeshan: theres also so many variants of servos
07:14 PM zeeshan: you still on that!
07:14 PM zeeshan: :p
07:14 PM Tom_L: no
07:14 PM Tom_L: just didn't know if you knew about it
07:14 PM zeeshan: any videos?
07:14 PM Tom_L: nothing really to show
07:15 PM Tom_L: just an uneventful spindle turning 1/2 turn or so
07:15 PM * zeeshan finally has learned how to properly size motors
07:15 PM zeeshan: for automation
07:15 PM Tom_L: still makin drywall?
07:15 PM zeeshan: i moved from sales/customer service to mechanical design
07:15 PM zeeshan: 2 months ago
07:16 PM zeeshan: so doing alot of serious design now
07:16 PM Tom_L: more your speed
07:16 PM zeeshan: yes
07:16 PM zeeshan: we do position control using vfds
07:16 PM zeeshan: like its a common thing
07:16 PM zeeshan: lol
07:16 PM zeeshan: its new to me
07:17 PM Tom_L: heh
07:19 PM zeeshan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9muleashCYA
07:20 PM zeeshan: kinda interesting how this stuff works
07:21 PM zeeshan: part 2 is the meat
07:26 PM Tom_L: done any more on your lathe?
07:26 PM zeeshan: no
07:26 PM zeeshan: but this stuff is good
07:26 PM zeeshan: prepping me for it :)
07:26 PM Tom_L: :-(
07:26 PM zeeshan: i might be using these drives for it
07:26 PM zeeshan: since we get a good discount
07:29 PM sync: yeah why not zeeshan
07:29 PM zeeshan: trhe main issue is voltage
07:29 PM sync: positioning using slip control with async is common
07:30 PM zeeshan: i have yet to see a 240v single phase version
07:32 PM sync: for induction motors?
07:32 PM sync: mx2 can do it
07:32 PM zeeshan: whats new in the linuxcnc world
07:32 PM zeeshan: nah, for servo
07:32 PM sync: lots of them on the market
07:33 PM zeeshan: i know
07:33 PM zeeshan: im trying to familiarize with the allen bradley stuff
07:33 PM zeeshan: cause that is mostly what we use
07:34 PM zeeshan: no more of this garbage amc crap
07:35 PM CaptHindsight: how many amp servo drive?
07:35 PM zeeshan: 20
07:35 PM zeeshan: peak
07:35 PM zeeshan: looks like the 5500 series works
07:36 PM zeeshan: and 350 series
07:36 PM zeeshan: hm
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: https://d2ydh70d4b5xgv.cloudfront.net/images/0/e/allen-bradley-2098-dsd-020-se-series-b-ultra-3000-servo-drive-120-240vac-used-710ca89fdf5f92fd8d415a4efa61844f.jpg
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: 120/240
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: AC servos?
07:37 PM zeeshan: no dc
07:37 PM zeeshan: it boggles my mind how many types of drives they have
07:37 PM zeeshan: seems excessive
07:40 PM CaptHindsight: they acquired a few companies
07:40 PM CaptHindsight: and they kept the product lines alive
07:40 PM zeeshan: that would explain things!
07:41 PM CaptHindsight: kind of the borg of automation
07:41 PM zeeshan: those vpl series servos are crazy
07:41 PM zeeshan: i didnt know they could spin at 8000 rpm
07:42 PM zeeshan: so used to all this old stuff :)
07:42 PM CaptHindsight: I like the AB and Rockwell stuff
07:42 PM zeeshan: im starting to like it
07:42 PM CaptHindsight: I have lots of their linear servos
07:42 PM zeeshan: just by readying the docummentation
07:42 PM zeeshan: *reading
07:43 PM zeeshan: CaptHindsight: have you done servo sizing using?
07:43 PM zeeshan: like using inertia and stuff
07:43 PM CaptHindsight: sure
07:43 PM zeeshan: do you have a spread sheet?
07:43 PM CaptHindsight: if you buy from the same brand they have it all worked out obviously
07:43 PM zeeshan: i have a buncha numbers id like to get veified
07:43 PM zeeshan: no
07:43 PM CaptHindsight: but I mix match
07:43 PM zeeshan: im not saying sizing a drive
07:44 PM zeeshan: i mean sizing a motor for a specific automation need
07:44 PM CaptHindsight: all the time
07:44 PM zeeshan: like something with amotion profile
07:44 PM zeeshan: load
07:44 PM zeeshan: i got a vertical ball screw , linear guide connected to a table with a load of 42lb
07:45 PM CaptHindsight: whats that in Nm? :)
07:45 PM zeeshan: 187 N
07:45 PM zeeshan: ball screw is 16mm lead, 16mm diameter
07:45 PM CaptHindsight: lbs don't exist
07:46 PM zeeshan: https://i.imgur.com/dJy4fzw.png
07:46 PM zeeshan: motion profile
07:47 PM zeeshan: i am getting an acceleration torque of 1.22 N*m
07:47 PM zeeshan: @ 952 RPM
07:47 PM zeeshan: seems like a stepper could do the job
07:48 PM zeeshan: would love to see if you get a similar torque value
07:48 PM CaptHindsight: yeah but they make too much noise and then I can't sleep
07:48 PM zeeshan: lol
07:48 PM sync: only if you do not commutate sinusoidal
07:48 PM zeeshan: these would be prolly the quietest thing in the plant !
07:50 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.parker.com/parkerimages/automation/cat/English/1894a005.pdf
07:50 PM CaptHindsight: parker does have better docs
07:52 PM zeeshan: wow
07:52 PM zeeshan: thats a preetty good document
07:52 PM zeeshan: better than the one iwas using
07:53 PM CaptHindsight: yeah
07:53 PM CaptHindsight: step by step
07:53 PM CaptHindsight: they cover all the orientations
07:54 PM CaptHindsight: I buy whatever has the best delivery and price at the time
07:54 PM CaptHindsight: 3+ months is common
07:54 PM zeeshan: it has to last too!
07:56 PM Tom_L: that's on P78
08:07 PM CaptHindsight: zeeshan: another good doc http://www.kollmorgen.com/en-us/products/motors/servo/serviced_motors/_application_notes/application_sizing_guide/
08:07 PM zeeshan: came across that one
08:09 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ia.omron.com/data_pdf/guide/14/servo_selection_tg_e_1_1_3-13(further_info).pdf
08:09 PM CaptHindsight: handy to have around
08:10 PM mrme: zeeshan why not an granite device or stmbl, each is possible to drive allmost any servo on the market if the feedback device is possible to interface to them
08:10 PM zeeshan: that is actually the one i used!
08:10 PM CaptHindsight: http://support.automationdirect.com/products/sureservo.html windows software
08:10 PM zeeshan: mrme: because this is industrial stuff
08:10 PM zeeshan: not hobbiest stuff
08:10 PM zeeshan: it the maintenance crew doesnt know how to use it, its garb
08:10 PM mrme: zeeshan granite device is industrial stuff, too
08:11 PM mrme: i think about what ive seen from their drives
08:11 PM CaptHindsight: he doesn't want to get laughed at or fired
08:11 PM zeeshan: lol CaptHindsight
08:11 PM zeeshan: hahaha
08:12 PM BeachBumPete: https://imgur.com/gallery/cSBoV
08:14 PM BeachBumPete: just got a bunch of these YG1 Alu-power endmills. they look real nice pics do it no justice ;)
08:15 PM BeachBumPete: Hopefully they kick AZZ in my aluminum parts pocketing
08:16 PM CaptHindsight: I killed the bearings in the matsuura with a local end mill suppliers tools
08:16 PM zeeshan: lol wat
08:17 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.hartlandtool.com/products/standard-fluted-end-mills.php
08:17 PM CaptHindsight: from running them at top speed
08:17 PM CaptHindsight: bearings were already going, just made it more pleasant
08:19 PM CaptHindsight: BeachBumPete: they look similar
08:19 PM BeachBumPete: they do?
08:20 PM BeachBumPete: I have used YG1 endmills a good bit before to me they are a proven entity. I have not used these aluminum specific three flute ones however
08:20 PM CaptHindsight: are yours a fixed helix?
08:20 PM BeachBumPete: looking forward to seeing how they do
08:21 PM CaptHindsight: BeachBumPete: sure, metal round curvy things that wrap around :)
08:22 PM BeachBumPete: they are 45 deg fixed
08:23 PM BeachBumPete: they look almost polished in person the picture sucks LOL
08:23 PM CaptHindsight: I boke my favorite 1/4" by feeding too quickly with the jog wheel :(
08:23 PM CaptHindsight: boke/broke
08:23 PM BeachBumPete: you feed with the jog wheel too LOL?
08:24 PM BeachBumPete: this is a 3/16
08:24 PM BeachBumPete: I need it for a narrow deepish pocket on the current rail I am making
08:27 PM CaptHindsight: BeachBumPete: what jobber twist drills you you like for Alu?
08:28 PM CaptHindsight: do you/you you
08:28 PM CaptHindsight: <-- giving up typing
08:28 PM BeachBumPete: I honestly use a brand I get a Fastenal. They are probably not the best but they work for me just fine so far. I bought the ones I needed to replace my broken ones in the chinese index I have had for a long time LOL. I cannot remember the brand name
08:29 PM BeachBumPete: I think they are called Norseman or something like that
08:29 PM CaptHindsight: yeah I bought a bunch of sets on closeout myself
08:29 PM CaptHindsight: some behave like yellow coated pot metal
08:29 PM CaptHindsight: supposedly TiN
08:29 PM BeachBumPete: really? I have not seen that
08:29 PM BeachBumPete: no these are not Tin
08:30 PM CaptHindsight: how does a 1/4" TiN bit get dull after 3-4 holes in 6061 maybe 1" deep?
08:30 PM BeachBumPete: its funny
08:30 PM BeachBumPete: I HATE TIN
08:30 PM CaptHindsight: and it wasn't spinning backwards :)
08:31 PM BeachBumPete: the first endmills I ever bought were CHEAPAZZ CHINESE Tin coated kit
08:31 PM BeachBumPete: biggest pieces of shite I ever used
08:31 PM CaptHindsight: yup
08:31 PM CaptHindsight: had some from Shars
08:31 PM BeachBumPete: now anything that has that coating I shy away from
08:31 PM CaptHindsight: awful
08:31 PM BeachBumPete: it was like they WANTED to load up
08:31 PM BeachBumPete: even the 2 flutes
08:31 PM zeeshan: lol
08:31 PM CaptHindsight: same here
08:32 PM CaptHindsight: they worked ok with flood coolant
08:32 PM BeachBumPete: https://www.albanycountyfasteners.com/Norseman-Magnum-29-PC-Ultra-Dex-Drill-Bit-Set-p/1050-336.htm?gclid=Cj0KCQjwgIPOBRDnARIsAHA1X3T4Xv1cug2_O51Q_Df4aH5ibvIeHaaA8HeAMNqLPYCB5w3qQX5KmT4aAin6EALw_wcB
08:32 PM BeachBumPete: this is the ones I have I think
08:32 PM BeachBumPete: only not the set just buy individuals
08:33 PM CaptHindsight: https://drillsandcutters.com/jobber-drills/ trying a few of these
08:33 PM CaptHindsight: HSS vs cobalt vs TiN
08:33 PM BeachBumPete: I bought one of those nice drill sharpener machines. Still have not figured out how to make it work right LOL
08:34 PM zeeshan: i mostly use morse
08:34 PM zeeshan: or osg
08:34 PM zeeshan: they arent too badly priced suprisngly
08:34 PM zeeshan: the regular stuff
08:34 PM BeachBumPete: I use morse and OSG taps
08:34 PM CaptHindsight: i tend to break them when I'm on little sleep
08:35 PM BeachBumPete: I guess I go thru drills like crayons so I wind up getting them local
08:35 PM BeachBumPete: these are actually quite good
08:35 PM CaptHindsight: or hand drilling
08:35 PM BeachBumPete: I have a second chinese POS index set that I TRY to use for hand drilling
08:36 PM CaptHindsight: broke 2 in a row on one hole with a hole saw
08:36 PM BeachBumPete: but I often wind up getting frustrated with it and go for the better stuff in the machinist cabinet LOL
08:36 PM CaptHindsight: .09 alu sheet
08:36 PM zeeshan: BeachBumPete: id be interested to know hat you use for feeds and speeds when you get that yg1 3 fluter dialed in
08:36 PM BeachBumPete: zeeshan me too ;)
08:37 PM CaptHindsight: for some reason I no longer break hand taps
08:37 PM CaptHindsight: (watch now I'll break 2 in a row in one hole)
08:37 PM zeeshan: 3/8 3 fl imco streaker 1" flute length, 45 degree, non coated, 1
08:37 PM zeeshan: 100 ipm
08:37 PM BeachBumPete: LOL I had my brother come over a couple days ago with his sewing machine parts and he needed me to tap something would up breaking three taps before we got it done
08:38 PM BeachBumPete: I like the polished non coated for ally
08:38 PM zeeshan: on the work machine which is more rigid at 12k spindle we hit 445 ipm
08:44 PM gregcnc: zeeshan how's that lathe run?
08:44 PM zeeshan: it doesnt
08:45 PM zeeshan: https://i.imgur.com/wHhvsg4.jpg
08:45 PM zeeshan: all thsoe parts were done using a 1/4" and 3/8" imco
08:45 PM zeeshan: over this weekend
08:45 PM zeeshan: they still are working! :D
08:45 PM zeeshan: 3 jobs later!
08:45 PM zeeshan: then again aluminum is a soft material
08:45 PM zeeshan: gregcnc: what are you upto
08:45 PM gregcnc: not enough
08:46 PM gregcnc: are you HMFIC of the the shop yet?
08:46 PM zeeshan: they implented the software
08:46 PM zeeshan: it was just a side thing for me..
08:46 PM zeeshan: *implemented
08:46 PM zeeshan: its up to them to use it :P
08:47 PM gregcnc: so they didn't suck you in
08:47 PM zeeshan: i'd like to be more involved
08:47 PM zeeshan: but dont have itme
08:47 PM zeeshan: *time
08:47 PM zeeshan: im hoping they can come up with 12 tools they want to standardize on the mill
08:47 PM zeeshan: that way they can do what im doing inthe home shop
08:48 PM zeeshan: open model, click templates, select template
08:48 PM zeeshan: 95% of the programming is done
08:48 PM zeeshan: post
08:48 PM zeeshan: done :D
08:49 PM gregcnc: I found a post for fusion that might just do C axis for the lathe. I checked only bit and it seemed close enough to mod
08:50 PM zeeshan: i told you i worked on the post for our lathe right?
08:50 PM zeeshan: with an external developer as well
08:50 PM zeeshan: maybe you can use ?
08:50 PM gregcnc: fanuc?
08:50 PM zeeshan: no
08:50 PM zeeshan: i guess that makes a diff.. duhh :/
08:51 PM zeeshan: i figured they'd all do it similiarly
08:51 PM zeeshan: unclamp, move clamp
08:51 PM gregcnc: I looked at a haas w/ C but I couldn't figure it out
08:51 PM zeeshan: or unclamp and machine etc
08:51 PM zeeshan: does your machine have polar mode
08:51 PM zeeshan: or cartesian
08:51 PM zeeshan: or both?
08:51 PM gregcnc: can be programmed both
08:53 PM gregcnc: I think the post will choose based on geometry, but haven't looked that far yet. I heard C isn't really versatile in fusion yet.
08:53 PM gregcnc: I don't actually use F360 so that doesn't help
08:54 PM zeeshan: nice thing is if yuou develop a post for it
08:54 PM zeeshan: you can use it in inventor or hsmworks
08:54 PM zeeshan: i love that.
08:55 PM gregcnc: right, I think that is a good idea for them
08:55 PM zeeshan: theres still a lot of work to improve it..
08:55 PM zeeshan: like cmon man
08:56 PM zeeshan: they have this fancy "select same holes" feature when picking holes
08:56 PM zeeshan: but what if i want to excluse one , because the machine travel wont let me get to it?
08:56 PM zeeshan: you gotta go select all the holes manually, and exclude the one :(
08:56 PM gregcnc: yeah I saw a guy moved to bocad of all things because he wasn't happy with F360
09:06 PM evilroot: YAY!
09:07 PM evilroot: Geckodrive units arrived
09:07 PM evilroot: Tomorrow I can start my retrofit
10:07 PM Tom_L: zeeshan what are those parts for?
10:07 PM zeeshan: some fixture
10:08 PM zeeshan: i make and collect funds :)
10:08 PM zeeshan: and advise if something can be made cheaper by modifying model
10:08 PM zeeshan: !!!!!!!
10:14 PM Tom_L: what's the armature out of?
10:15 PM Tom_L: kindof a skinny motor
10:26 PM zeeshan: some random european motor :D
10:26 PM zeeshan: its cool to look at
10:26 PM zeeshan: was thinking of making a holder
10:32 PM zeeshan: Tom_L: still using catia?
10:36 PM Connor: Well.. The bridgeport mill has been moved and is in it's place. No fork lift needed.
10:37 PM Tom_L: zeeshan, off an on
10:38 PM Tom_L: Connor is the roof sagging now?
10:38 PM Connor: Oh hell no. Those beams where freaking huge.
10:40 PM Connor: Backed the trailer in.. Used the 2 Ton hoist to pick up up till it cleared the trailer.. drove it out.. lowered it down. Ended up using 3 Harbor Freight Dollies rated 1000lbs each to move it into the shop.. I think one sacrificed itself for the task. But, got the job done.
10:40 PM Connor: Next step is to wire it up.. but that's going to have to wait. Going on a Alaskan Cruise.. Will be out of town till the 30th.
10:41 PM Tom_L: 11 day?
10:41 PM Connor: Leaving Friday.
10:42 PM Connor: 1 night in hotel.. (Friday) Sail Saturday.. Port on the following Saturday and Fly home.
10:42 PM Tom_L: so you did the 7 day one
10:42 PM Connor: Yea.
10:42 PM Connor: All we could book on short notice. Last one of the year.
10:43 PM Tom_L: better take a coat
10:43 PM Connor: Wind Breaker and a hoodie.
10:44 PM Connor: Live in East TN. We have Brisk Fall days.. 50's - 60's.. I never use anything more than the wind breaker or hoddie. :)
10:44 PM Tom_L: does that leave out of Seattle?
10:44 PM Connor: Yea.
10:45 PM Tom_L: better take a coat
10:45 PM Tom_L: but i tend to go prepared :)
10:49 PM Connor: So.. from Seattle, Up to Juneau, to Skagway.. Through the Glacier Bay Park... Then Ketchikan, Victoria British Columbia, and back to Seattle.
10:50 PM Tom_L: cruise before?
10:51 PM Connor: Yea. Jamacia and others in 04
10:51 PM Connor: that was a 5 day.
10:52 PM Tom_L: cayman jamacia and cosumel
10:53 PM Connor: Just Cayman and Jamaica. Don't think it did cosumel.
10:53 PM Tom_L: that's their standard stop
10:54 PM Connor: Heck. maybe... I don't remember.. that was over 13 years ago. :)
10:54 PM Tom_L: done that one a couple times
10:54 PM djdelorie: in NH, "brisk fall days" means "it snowed again"
10:54 PM Tom_L: not by choice, it was the only one we could work in the schedule
10:56 PM zeeshan: Seattle is pretty
10:56 PM zeeshan: i wanan go back there again
10:56 PM Connor: We used Carnival for the '04 trip.. This time it's Princess.
10:56 PM Tom_L: yeah you'll have a good time up there
10:56 PM zeeshan: Tom_L: are you in georgia?
10:56 PM zeeshan: im going down for work
10:56 PM Tom_L: no
10:56 PM Tom_L: but i've been there
10:56 PM zeeshan: where, i forget :[
10:56 PM Tom_L: ks
10:56 PM zeeshan: oh
10:56 PM zeeshan: i knew it was a southern place :)
10:56 PM Tom_L: inlaw works in savannah
10:56 PM zeeshan: yea that is where i am going
10:56 PM Tom_L: gulfstream
10:56 PM Tom_L: when?
10:57 PM zeeshan: oct 13 weekend
10:57 PM Tom_L: what part of ga?
10:57 PM zeeshan: savannah
10:57 PM Tom_L: buy a day pass and ride the bus around
10:57 PM Tom_L: you'll enjoy it
10:57 PM zeeshan: haha
10:57 PM zeeshan: ill be with a colleague
10:57 PM Tom_L: so?
10:57 PM zeeshan: we'll prolly see stuff afte rwork if we arent pulling 14 hour shifts
10:58 PM zeeshan: we're supervising the install of a fancy machihne
10:58 PM Tom_L: lots of history there
10:58 PM zeeshan: discovery channel style
10:58 PM zeeshan: is GA safe?
10:58 PM Tom_L: from what? canadians?
10:58 PM Tom_L: i hope so
10:58 PM Tom_L: are you flying?
10:58 PM zeeshan: yes
10:59 PM Tom_L: what airport?
10:59 PM Tom_L: atlanta kinda sucks
10:59 PM zeeshan: right to savannah
10:59 PM Tom_L: it's pretty layed back there
10:59 PM Tom_L: they call it slowvanna down there
10:59 PM zeeshan: haha
11:00 PM Tom_L: no kidding...
11:00 PM Tom_L: several films were shot there
11:00 PM zeeshan: oh wow
11:00 PM zeeshan: its right next to the ocean
11:00 PM Tom_L: forest gump
11:00 PM Tom_L: yes
11:00 PM Tom_L: go to tybee island if you get a chance
11:00 PM zeeshan: going to bring the fishing rod
11:00 PM zeeshan: :)
11:01 PM Connor: Tom_L: Yea.. it was just a 2 port cruise for 5 days. Grand Cayman and Ocho Rios.. Departing from Miami..
11:01 PM Tom_L: it's not that far from it
11:01 PM Tom_L: ahh, we usually go out of New Orleans or Galveston
11:01 PM Connor: I dunno.. you get Cozumel if you do a 6 day from Miami
11:02 PM zeeshan: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9EKO2jnU1AxXyic32
11:02 PM Tom_L: zeeshan hopefully it's somewhat cleaned up by then
11:02 PM zeeshan: this is what summer has been like
11:02 PM zeeshan: :D
11:03 PM zeeshan: so much frigging bush living
11:05 PM Tom_L: they've got a fair size port there
11:05 PM zeeshan: honestly im not sure how much free time i'll have
11:05 PM Tom_L: http://www.gaports.com/PortofSavannah.aspx
11:05 PM zeeshan: i definitely want to check it out
11:05 PM Tom_L: lots of civil war stuff
11:05 PM zeeshan: im more of a nature guy
11:06 PM zeeshan: so would love to see what it's got to offer
11:06 PM Tom_L: i figured as much
11:06 PM Tom_L: hot and humid
11:06 PM zeeshan: i hear there are cool shops also
11:06 PM zeeshan: where you can find tools and stuff
11:06 PM zeeshan: flea markets
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