#linuxcnc Logs

Sep 18 2017

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:03 AM Cromaglious_: just got a new to me refridgerator kenmore side by side made in 2005 white with ice maker and water dispenser
12:06 AM XXCoder: fancy
12:12 AM Connor: archivist: Purchased that Bridgeport.
12:12 AM XXCoder: nice
12:12 AM XXCoder: so its decent eh
12:12 AM Connor: Yea. very nice.. very tight. Qull NEVER used.
12:12 AM Connor: We thing the head was mounted on a duplicator..
12:13 AM Connor: The base is really nice. one hole and one mil-gash in the table.. other than that.. really good shape.
12:15 AM Connor: What's the best way to transport it. I'm thinking of getting a roll-back to come and pick it up.. but.. concerned on how to get it on/off the roll-back.. if it's too top heavy.
12:16 AM XXCoder: heavier machines tend to have haul points on top but no idea for bridgeport
12:20 AM XXCoder: not sure what its called. jack points?
12:20 AM XXCoder: whatever, its rings attached at points where it would stay stable when crane or whatever pulls it up for moving machine
12:21 AM Connor: We don't have one of those.. I think there is a bolt hole in the top of the ram that can be a tie point.. but our concern was trying to get it UP / DOWN the ramp of the Roleback...
12:22 AM evilroot: This is why we have forklifts
12:23 AM Connor: yea.. well.. budget.. :)
12:23 AM evilroot: You can rent one
12:23 AM XXCoder: is rental one affordiable?
12:23 AM evilroot: Usually yeah
12:24 AM Connor: affordable is a relative term. :)
12:24 AM evilroot: I have one on site that I can drive whenever needed
12:24 AM Connor: Drive it to Knoxville and let me use it. :)
12:24 AM evilroot: Because I can drive it better than any of the owners can, heh
12:25 AM evilroot: You're in TN?
12:25 AM Connor: yea
12:25 AM evilroot: I have a few friends there
12:25 AM evilroot: Generally a forklift and operator for a job will run around $300
12:26 AM evilroot: Delivered
12:27 AM evilroot: If you have a trailer and just need the machine more like $150
12:27 AM XXCoder: hold your breath this long. https://youtu.be/r7NuHDCQWrA
12:28 AM evilroot: No thanks, heh
12:29 AM evilroot: Conner: You need to get it off the truck and into position, right?
12:30 AM XXCoder: well theres always this ancient option
12:30 AM XXCoder: many hands make light work
12:30 AM evilroot: Yeah and then guys get their feet crushed
12:31 AM XXCoder: also ancient problem
12:31 AM evilroot: People suing for medical expenses is not
12:32 AM XXCoder: jeez I can hold breath maybe 10 seconds at most. lol
12:33 AM evilroot: So to sum it up, GET A FORKLIFT
12:33 AM XXCoder: true, that lol
12:33 AM evilroot: That machine weighs in excess of half a ton
12:34 AM evilroot: There is NO other practical way
12:37 AM evilroot: If you're in a typical office/industrial park the chances are someone has one
12:37 AM evilroot: Going to assume you're not putting such a big machine in like a garage
12:37 AM Cromaglious_: loop straps around the ram just behind the power head. Turn the head 90 degrees to the side.move the table so it hangs level.
12:38 AM Cromaglious_: run the ram all the way forward to get the head weight as far to the front . the column is freaking heavy!
12:40 AM evilroot: Are you talking about sex or moving a Bridgeport?
12:48 AM djdelorie: when I had my bridgeport moved, the guy brought an excavator and used it as a portable mini-crane
12:48 AM djdelorie: lowered it into my basement for me, used an engine hoist to move it around down there
12:49 AM djdelorie: evilroot: my bridgeport weighed about a ton even
01:14 AM Connor: It's going in a Commercial Building.
01:14 AM Connor: We have a loading dock with a Rollup door. Also have another rollup door flat with parking lot.
01:15 AM Connor: We're either going to use a large trailer or a roll-back.
01:19 AM evilroot: And you don't have a forklift to get it off the truck and move it into position?
01:19 AM Connor: No. We have overhead beams we might be able to use chains on. But probably only if it's on the trailer.. probably not enough clearance for the roll-back.
01:20 AM Connor: Might be able to get a engine hoist...
01:21 AM Connor: forklift would make it tons easier.
01:21 AM evilroot: NO. Rent a damned forklift
01:50 AM XXCoder: yay https://airnow.gov/index.cfm?action=airnow.local_city&cityid=261
01:50 AM XXCoder: 21. much better.
01:50 AM XXCoder: some fires still going so some bad spots
01:55 AM IchGucksLive: morning from-germany
01:55 AM XXCoder: night from soaked tacoma
01:56 AM IchGucksLive: fire still on
01:56 AM XXCoder: yeah as it is on east washibngton which didnt get any
01:57 AM IchGucksLive: bad issue
01:58 AM XXCoder: yeah in least air pollution is all way down to 21 here for now
01:58 AM XXCoder: it will evenually increase again because still fires
02:04 AM Deejay: moin
02:21 AM archivist: Connor, well done, but be careful with machine on a forklift cast on steel forks slides easily
02:23 AM Cromaglious_: clamp i a pair of vice grips to the fork to keep the starp/chain from sliding off.
02:23 AM Cromaglious_: strap
02:23 AM archivist: lifting from above the CG is safer if it has lifting points
02:25 AM Cromaglious_: all my fork lift forks have holes burned through the tips.. So we can put a pin thru the hole to keep things from sliding off
02:26 AM archivist: I have seen sideways slides
02:27 AM Cromaglious_: that's ratchet straps job
02:37 AM jelly-home is now known as jelly
03:48 AM gonzo_: we had a few here. Probably because the stores people were always stoned
03:49 AM gonzo_: (strangly, the whole dept got replaced, after a director smelt the smoke coming from the compactor shed)
04:45 AM MrSunshine_: hmm if i set the home cycle to something not - ... can i jog each joint independantly then ? even tho its a XYYZ system ?
04:46 AM MrSunshine_: would help ALOT in squaring the gantry =)
04:47 AM archivist: initial squaring or?
04:48 AM archivist: some manual effort needed for initial I think
04:48 AM MrSunshine_: archivist, i need to mechanicaly square it .. so if i losen the gantry in each side then i want to be able to just jog one motor to get it square, then tighten the bolts =)
04:49 AM MrSunshine_: as if i square not it works fine, but when i turn of the amplifiers the gantry moves on one side .. so its quite alot out of alignment atm =)
04:50 AM archivist: get the screw homed then adjust gantry, some do that by disconnecting the screw from the encoder and hand rotating
04:52 AM archivist: are you homing to encoder or switches
04:55 AM MrSunshine_: switches
04:56 AM archivist: move switches to set left right homing to be square iirc
04:57 AM MrSunshine_: archivist, yeah but as long as the bolts are tight on the gantry that will just twist everything =) its the mechanical part i need to fix atm and would help alot to be able to jog one of the joints of the Y axis independantly when doing it =)
04:57 AM MrSunshine_: make the screw move it to square, then tighten the bolts =)
04:57 AM archivist: I would be hand turning the screws for initial setting there too I think
04:57 AM MrSunshine_: yeah might be better =)
04:58 AM archivist: no power better feel etc
04:58 AM MrSunshine_: hehe true =)
05:00 AM MrSunshine_: oh well, i guess its a get er done ...
05:00 AM MrSunshine_: tired of tinkering .. i want to be able to do stuff with the machine :P
05:02 AM archivist: I am trying to find floors and benches today
05:19 AM jthornton: when you find them come find mine lol
05:34 AM archivist: I get to keep all the tools I find?
05:35 AM jthornton: yep cause you won't find any tools lol they are all put away
05:37 AM archivist: pfft never happens
07:01 AM MrSunshine_: ah losened the bolts, got the gantry square to within 0.02mm now =)
07:02 AM MrSunshine_: changed the home_sequence to 0 insted of -1 and just jogged the axis to twist it in place to the right place, tightened the bolts and no spring etc when i turn off amplifiers now =)
07:02 AM MrSunshine_: 0.02mm over 500mm that is
07:03 AM SpeedEvil: :)
07:03 AM MrSunshine_: then a final home switch adjustment to get it to square to that each time =) hope this will work now =)
07:13 AM archivist: half the fun is setting up and testing accuracy
07:20 AM MattyMatt: hey, sports fans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQAkJ-L1iVw
07:25 AM MattyMatt: I'd like to see the 5 minute edit of that
09:30 AM nubcake is now known as nubcake_
09:30 AM nubcake_ is now known as nubcake
10:03 AM archivist: I do wonder if these are good enough for homebrew machine verification http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DOUBLE-PRISM-OPTICAL-SQUARE/132325404754
10:06 AM * JT-Shop had determined beyond a shadow of doubt that digging post holes in 75F 90% humidity no wind is much less fun than playing with chickens
10:09 AM Todd_Z: Depends on what you are digging them with.
10:10 AM Todd_Z: If you're using a skid steer with AC cab, it isn't too bad.
10:11 AM Roguish: JT-Shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x_FzCWl2nc
10:16 AM JT-Shop: what is it?
10:17 AM CaptHindsight: archivist: highly dependent on the operator
10:17 AM Roguish: Foghorn Leghorn.
10:17 AM JT-Shop: I like him... but in the morning during free time...
10:17 AM Roguish: old time cartoon of chickens..... you;ll remember, probably.
10:18 AM CaptHindsight: I say
10:21 AM CaptHindsight: is there a CAM app out there to automate the editing of G-code after it's generated bu Learn/Teach mode?
10:21 AM CaptHindsight: bu/by
10:22 AM CaptHindsight: generating a robots path with a joystick isn't always the smoothest
10:24 AM JT-Shop: my neighbor had a big rooster that used to come over everyday and when he saw me would come running to me in that funny chicken run... I almost called him Foghorn Leghorn but called him Rooster Cogburn instead
10:25 AM Roguish: i figured you'd remember Foghorn Leghorn. we're the right genre.
10:25 AM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je1wICoE9Hc Robot CNC Gcode to robot language RobotDirector play-recorder
10:25 AM archivist: CaptHindsight, I have one, been contemplating making a new holder for the prisms
10:29 AM CaptHindsight: the circle is a bunch of short G01's
12:17 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:50 PM skunkworks: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/cnc-machining/anyone-retrofit-cnc-lathe-340165/?highlight=linuxcnc
12:51 PM JT-Shop: two poles set in concrete... two to go
12:52 PM IchGucksLive: JT-Shop: make a good mix
12:55 PM JT-Shop: does sweat in the mix make it good?
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: maybe pi makes it more ....
01:11 PM * JT-Shop takes a short break before concreting the 3rd post
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: clean the tools
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: as so many requests here is the spindel connect video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpb9JUaWl7M
01:22 PM gregcnc: Skunkworks PM doesn't give anyone much of a chance. However post #17 brings up valid points for lathe applications
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: hazzy: are you online
01:23 PM IchGucksLive: hazzy: as i anounced no responce on 7i92
01:24 PM CaptHindsight: skunkworks: that forum has turned into reprap
01:24 PM skunkworks: gregcnc, yah - that is the thing that ewlsey always brings up.
01:24 PM gregcnc: I've been programming in lathe Fanuc 21 and can't complain.
01:25 PM skunkworks: gregcnc, did you know that there is a turning cycle now (remap) that andy wrote?
01:25 PM IchGucksLive: skunkworks: G76
01:25 PM gregcnc: yes. my little emco retrofit has been backburnered so i haven't tried it
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: hi gloops
01:26 PM skunkworks: I only played with it a very little bit
01:26 PM gloops: hi Ichs
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: gloops: i made a Video on your request
01:27 PM skunkworks: PM always comes from the standpoint - 'if your not making enough money to pay for a commercial retrofit - you are doing something wrong'
01:27 PM CaptHindsight: how does one modify any of the closed controllers when they do what you need from them?
01:27 PM skunkworks: which has some truth to it - I suppose
01:27 PM gloops: oh you shouldnt have gone to any trouble Ichs, but i think it would be helpful to a lot of people in the same situation
01:27 PM CaptHindsight: do/don't do
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: gloops: 100 hits in 8hr
01:28 PM skunkworks: they pay said controller mfg to modify it.
01:28 PM CaptHindsight: no thanks
01:29 PM skunkworks: :)
01:29 PM CaptHindsight: all the ones I've talked to are worth paying
01:29 PM CaptHindsight: 99% of what I do are custom machines
01:30 PM CaptHindsight: they do things that no other machines can do
01:30 PM gloops: Ichs i imagine a lot of people will be looking for tutorials on that subject
01:30 PM CaptHindsight: why would I tech and pay other co's do do this for me?
01:30 PM CaptHindsight: tech/teach
01:31 PM CaptHindsight: typing help maybe :)
01:31 PM gregcnc: when you can do it yourself it works out
01:31 PM CaptHindsight: who else is going to?
01:31 PM CaptHindsight: I even have to fix RTAI
01:32 PM CaptHindsight: if there is some bug in LCNC then the devs will most likely fix it
01:32 PM CaptHindsight: if I need some feature I need to do it myself
01:34 PM CaptHindsight: the rants on these threads are just gorilla marketing
01:36 PM hazzy: Hi IchGucks
01:36 PM hazzy: sorry you did not get anything back on the 7i92, I will see what I can do
01:38 PM IchGucksLive: hazzy: no problem i said i will wait till it hits the 10000 posts then i will do somthing to get inside lcnc
01:39 PM hazzy: were is the video? I can add hits :)
01:39 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8
01:40 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpb9JUaWl7M
01:40 PM CaptHindsight: hazzy ^^
01:43 PM hazzy: Thanks Capt!
01:45 PM CaptHindsight: I didn't read all the posts in that thread but what features are missing from LCNC for a mill or lathe?
01:45 PM CaptHindsight: supposedly
01:56 PM DaViruz: "I've never even heard of anyone using LinuxCNC and having a working machine in the endI've never even heard of anyone using LinuxCNC and having a working machine in the end"
01:56 PM DaViruz: heh
01:59 PM CaptHindsight: he could be president here
02:00 PM CaptHindsight: i guess if I read more of that posters comments I could see if he's a troll or just ignorant
02:03 PM djdelorie: or both
02:04 PM Todd_Z: I would not be surprised if for every 1 good quality retrofit that is completed there are at least 5 that never get done, and at least that many that are only half assed.
02:06 PM CaptHindsight: I have never seen a good quality car produced by elementary school students
02:06 PM djdelorie: isn't pathpilot based on linuxcnc? If so, what does that do to the statistics?
02:07 PM Todd_Z: probably not much.
02:08 PM CaptHindsight: I still haven't come up with a kit for epoxy granite machine bases that I'd consider offering to the general public
02:09 PM CaptHindsight: unless the instructions are: 1) remove machine base from crate, 2) remove plastic wrap
02:10 PM DaViruz: linuxcnc being free is probably more prone to end up in unfinished/questionable retrofits/builds
02:10 PM gregcnc: You might have to change that to "click and wait for uber machinery to deliver and setup."
02:10 PM CaptHindsight: I've found that everybody has to have some skin in the game
02:11 PM CaptHindsight: if it's free then it doesn't get taken seriously
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: :) http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/tags/grbl/
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: one discussion
02:32 PM gregcnc: home shop type stuff is breaking the law at PM
02:33 PM CaptHindsight: how dare you!
02:33 PM CaptHindsight: since when is GRBL home stuff?
02:34 PM djdelorie: is there a word stronger than "opinionated"? Those threads boggle the mind sometimes...
02:34 PM pfred1: hey dj
02:35 PM CaptHindsight: it's gonna revolutionize manufacturing the same as CNC hot melt
02:35 PM pfred1: past opinionated is pigheaded I believe
02:35 PM * djdelorie loves that cnc hot melt is an option now...
02:36 PM gregcnc: I was surprised at how many guys on instagram started in their garage with linuxcnc or even mock3
02:36 PM pfred1: pig·head·ed stupidly obstinate.
02:36 PM djdelorie: I'm not, but then again, my cnc machine is made of plywood... ;-)
02:37 PM gregcnc: my kids were putting crayons through the hotl gue gun have to remember to buy some glue sticks
02:37 PM CaptHindsight: color!
02:37 PM pfred1: I got a deal at a flea market on a bag of industrial glue sticks they're liek a foot long each
02:38 PM pfred1: I was like sore!
02:38 PM pfred1: score even
02:38 PM CaptHindsight: there is a hot melt manufacturer in Chicago
02:38 PM gregcnc: yeah they some how mixed them and got colored glue, don't know how that worked with wax
02:38 PM CaptHindsight: you can spec color, melt temp, flex etc
02:38 PM gloops: could make a gluestick + granite machine bed
02:39 PM pfred1: when I melt HDPE it is like molten hot glue
02:39 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: sounds like an art project
02:39 PM pfred1: though when HDPE cools it tends to not stick to much
02:39 PM CaptHindsight: rhinestone and stud machine base kit
02:40 PM CaptHindsight: depends on what else is in it
02:40 PM CaptHindsight: thermoplastics are rarely pelletized neat
02:55 PM sadisticroot: All my stuff ordered
02:55 PM sadisticroot: Now I wait
02:55 PM Tom_itx: and wait
02:58 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
02:58 PM pfred1: I hav some kits on order
02:58 PM sadisticroot: Well the parellel breakout gets here tomorrow
02:58 PM sadisticroot: The servo drivers not sure since they're eBay, but he's in the same state
02:58 PM sadisticroot: So shouldn't be too long
02:58 PM pfred1: I made my own one of those but they are dirt cheap today
02:58 PM pfred1: can you run servo off a parallel port?
02:58 PM sadisticroot: The controllers I'm using handle the encoders/etc
02:59 PM sadisticroot: So all they need is step/dir
02:59 PM pfred1: yeah step dir drives
02:59 PM sadisticroot: No different than running stepper
02:59 PM sadisticroot: Geckodrive G320X
02:59 PM pfred1: I've heard of them
02:59 PM sadisticroot: They're the cheapest I could find that can handle such large servos
03:00 PM sadisticroot: 70V 500W on the largest axis
03:00 PM pfred1: I wanted a fast machine but it turns out I can't stop where I want to jogging faster than 60 IPM anyways
03:01 PM pfred1: I did have one of my axis running up to 200 IPM
03:01 PM CaptHindsight: pfred1: servo via LPT and FPGA
03:01 PM CaptHindsight: plus some servo drives use Step and Dir
03:01 PM CaptHindsight: so depends on the drive
03:02 PM CaptHindsight: and the mode you want
03:02 PM pfred1: but i burned the lead nut out on it doing that
03:02 PM CaptHindsight: you have discovered one of the reasons for ball vs lead screw
03:03 PM pfred1: kind of stripped it
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: I have some super precision lead screws rated for only 10lbs of axial load
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: and for maybe 1"/sec
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: probably slower
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: 40TPI
03:04 PM pfred1: here's plots after and before http://i.imgur.com/vVdcSLx.jpg
03:05 PM pfred1: it took me a while to figure out what was going on
03:05 PM CaptHindsight: even the plot was blue :)
03:05 PM pfred1: but the nut was all wallowed out on the X axis
03:06 PM pfred1: I thought I had some kind of a signal problem or I was missing steps or something
03:06 PM sadisticroot: These move 2362.2 inches per minute . . . .
03:06 PM pfred1: that's pretty fast
03:06 PM CaptHindsight: pfred1: gong with a ballscrew next?
03:07 PM sadisticroot: They're pretty agressive ballscrew
03:07 PM pfred1: there's a video on YouTube of a guy jogging his machine 2,000 IPM and he misses the end stop
03:07 PM pfred1: smashes the end stop switch right off his machine pretty funny
03:07 PM CaptHindsight: thats how fast I run the galvos
03:08 PM CaptHindsight: often up to 20K IPM
03:08 PM pfred1: he was using belts
03:09 PM CaptHindsight: also possible with linear servos
03:10 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.parkermotion.com/products/Linear_Servo_Motors__7012__30_32_80_567_29.html
03:11 PM CaptHindsight: 5 m/s = 12k" IPM
03:14 PM XXCoder: ironless
03:14 PM pfred1: XXCoder hmm?
03:14 PM XXCoder: capt's link item discription
03:14 PM pfred1: are you saying you're permanent press?
03:15 PM XXCoder: huh?
03:15 PM pfred1: ironless
03:15 PM XXCoder: dunno what you're saying
03:15 PM pfred1: you don't have to iron permanent press
03:16 PM XXCoder: ... capt link isnt related to clothes at all.
03:17 PM CaptHindsight: light starch
03:17 PM pfred1: what the hell was that?
03:17 PM pfred1: are we under attack?
03:17 PM CaptHindsight: I-FORCE Ironless Motor Positioners
03:19 PM XXCoder: yeah does it mean it has no iron in assembly?
03:19 PM gregcnc: ironless motor don't have backiron in the stator. either the coil is place between magnets or the iron moves with the coils
03:19 PM XXCoder: or is it weird name
03:19 PM gregcnc: essentially brushless version of coreless motor design
03:19 PM XXCoder: interesting
03:23 PM pfred1: I've seen 3D printed motors
03:24 PM Crom_: don't use starch, use sizing!
03:25 PM CaptHindsight: Crom_: are you the sewing machine guru?
03:25 PM Crom_: if you're starching fabric for a corset, fine...
03:25 PM Crom_: CaptHindsight: prettymuch
03:25 PM CaptHindsight: whats a good used serger?
03:27 PM CaptHindsight: Juki?
03:27 PM Crom_: find the nearest Taiwanese, Japanese, Chinese, or Philipino Industrial sewing machine repair/sales store and get a industrial 5 thread Juki with ruffler and table, and get the servo motor. consew csm1001 model #? is a good one.
03:28 PM CaptHindsight: thanks
03:28 PM Crom_: I have a Juki MO-2516 5thread, without the ruffler... really want the ruffler... looking for one.
03:29 PM Crom_: My straight stitch is a Juki DDL-5550 with the consew servo motor
03:29 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Juki-DDL-5550-6-SEWING-MACHINE-from-Japan-great-machine-for-home-or-industrial-/162678517228
03:29 PM pfred1: I have a Singer
03:29 PM pfred1: I picked it up at a yard sale for $5
03:29 PM pfred1: it's cherry!
03:30 PM CaptHindsight: Crom_: what tends to wear on them?
03:30 PM Crom_: nothing... if your not careful you can get the timing out and then it's a trip to the shop...
03:31 PM CaptHindsight: shop! what's that? :)
03:31 PM Crom_: needles last me a year, then I change them.
03:31 PM Crom_: YOU DO NOT WANT to time a serger EVER!
03:32 PM CaptHindsight: convert to LCNC :)
03:32 PM Crom_: I've been at it for a year on a consew 296...
03:32 PM SpeedEvil: :)
03:32 PM Crom_: now I'm just going to take them to LA and have them timed and maintained
03:34 PM SpeedEvil: It would be neat if sewing was more practical for attaching metals.
03:34 PM pfred1: that's what welding is for
03:34 PM Crom_: you have 3 intersections, they all strip off the back, so if they angled the shafts just right, it would be no problem, all the shafts are perdendicular or parallel. so something has to move forward and back.
03:35 PM CaptHindsight: glue solves both problems
03:36 PM CaptHindsight: auto body even uses sticky stuff vs weld
03:36 PM XXCoder: nah duct tape. it solves all problems but "not enough duct tape"
03:36 PM CaptHindsight: horrible stuff
03:36 PM CaptHindsight: car tape!
03:36 PM Crom_: tie wire!
03:36 PM Crom_: baling wire for newbs.
03:36 PM XXCoder: https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8160/7214525854_733237dd83_z.jpg
03:36 PM pfred1: I used to have about 200 pounds of tie wire
03:37 PM Crom_: trying to remeber the last time I sawa bale with wire
03:37 PM pfred1: but most of it rotted away
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: lol pretty much
03:37 PM pfred1: I still have a few rolls
03:37 PM Crom_: pfred1: i have 3 rolls in the garage... wrapped in duct tape to keep it from rusting
03:37 PM pfred1: yeah what i got is pretty rusty
03:38 PM XXCoder: see, duct tape solves all!
03:38 PM pfred1: but it isn't a solid block yet
03:38 PM greeny: hi
03:38 PM CaptHindsight: Car Tape https://youtu.be/O7VaXlMvAvk?t=4m53s
03:38 PM pfred1: it was in a pile in the cellar of my old place and most of it just rotted away
03:38 PM greeny: I'm trying to upgrade to the master branch for 2.8
03:39 PM Crom_: hiya Greeny hope that's a take on your last name and your not a enviro wacko :)
03:39 PM greeny: hehe, yeah
03:39 PM greeny: the former
03:39 PM Crom_: greeny, i did it, and I can't remeber how I did it..
03:39 PM pfred1: I built LinuxCNC from source
03:40 PM greeny: so, I have updated my sources.list to point to the master-sim
03:40 PM greeny: (I really need sim)
03:40 PM CaptHindsight: Crom_: was there ever a good machine by Singer?
03:40 PM pfred1: ah you're packaging it
03:41 PM CaptHindsight: Crom_: or were they all hobby machines
03:41 PM Crom_: i built from source as well. using gmac-capy
03:41 PM greeny: and I can see sources in deb-src, but no packages in deb
03:41 PM pfred1: run aptitude update
03:41 PM greeny: I have
03:41 PM pfred1: OK
03:41 PM Crom_: CaptHindsight: yes there was, last built in 1967 the model 237
03:41 PM greeny: I can get the master-rt to work
03:41 PM greeny: just not master-sim
03:41 PM pfred1: apt-cache search master
03:42 PM CaptHindsight: Crom_: we had one back in the 70's, used plastic discs to program the type of stitch, never worked right
03:42 PM Crom_: ac master for me... saves a ton of typing using aliases
03:42 PM pfred1: that dredge up any promising hits?
03:42 PM Crom_: capt not that one
03:43 PM Crom_: the 237 was cast iron, all geared, external motor.
03:43 PM Crom_: type 15 bobbin, can't stand model 66 style bobbins
03:44 PM CaptHindsight: I'll look for a Juki
03:44 PM greeny: deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ wheezy master-sim #deb-src http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ wheezy master-sim #deb http://linuxcnc.org/ wheezy base 2.7-rtai #deb-src http://linuxcnc.org/ wheezy base 2.7-rtai #deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ wheezy master-rt deb-src http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ wheezy master-rt
03:44 PM greeny: whoops, sorry
03:44 PM Crom_: greeny we now use pastebin and post a link
03:44 PM pfred1: aw come on that wasn't that spammy
03:45 PM Crom_: true... just saying
03:45 PM pfred1: let's maybe come at this from another angle
03:45 PM pfred1: because none of that looks like what you're looking for
03:46 PM greeny: ok
03:46 PM Crom_: I spent the money and got the lifetime pastebin account
03:46 PM pfred1: I honestly don't know what the packages are called
03:46 PM greeny: I have managed to upgrade to linuxcnc 2.8 master-rt
03:47 PM pfred1: greeny do you know of a file that belongs to the package you want to upgrade?
03:47 PM pfred1: like just one file
03:47 PM greeny: no
03:47 PM pfred1: OK time to hit the google then
03:47 PM greeny: not one that you wouldnt find in the lower versions
03:48 PM Crom_: you can use master-rt, just setup a non existant lpt port
03:48 PM pfred1: master-rt has it all?
03:48 PM Crom_: don't use homes or limit switches
03:49 PM pfred1: linuxcnc-uspace
03:49 PM pfred1: that's the rest of it
03:49 PM pfred1: aptitude show linuxcnc-uspace
03:50 PM pfred1: if that's what you want then aptitude install linuxcnc-uspace
03:50 PM gregcnc: does anyone other than SKF and Nook offer 15x5 planetary roller screw?
03:51 PM greeny: hmm
03:51 PM greeny: uspace could work
03:52 PM pfred1: you could just apt-cache search linuxcnc too
03:52 PM pfred1: it might give you some package names
03:52 PM greeny: I did
03:53 PM pfred1: I'm going to give getting LinuxCNC running on Gentoo another crack I think
03:53 PM pfred1: I know what i did wrong the last tiem now
03:54 PM greeny: thanks for help btw pfred1
03:54 PM pfred1: I missed one rotten lousy kernel config option
03:54 PM greeny: I'll have a play with this
03:54 PM pfred1: sure np
03:55 PM pfred1: something about sparse IRQ?
03:55 PM pfred1: I had to ask the RTAI mailing list about it
03:56 PM pfred1: but other than that I got eveythign else working
03:56 PM pfred1: it is a massive pain in the ass to switch the default Python in Gentoo
03:57 PM pfred1: because their package manager uses it
03:57 PM pfred1: when I asked all they could say was why do you want to do that?
03:58 PM pfred1: but I finally got it switched
03:59 PM CaptHindsight: the RTAI dev uses gentoo for everything
04:03 PM * JT-Shop takes a monkey pickle break then goes to put all the tools away
04:26 PM Crom_: ugh I need to re pour babbit bearings for my Sheldon lathe.
04:28 PM Deejay: gn8
04:29 PM pfred1: I have a grinder mandrel with babbit bearings
05:24 PM Connor: Anyone know the height of a J head bridge port floor to top of the RAM ?
05:29 PM JT-Shop: head upright?
05:31 PM Connor: Just the top of the Ram
05:33 PM pfred1: I think I know what you mean
05:34 PM JT-Shop: 86" to the top of the motor on mine
05:36 PM pfred1: we dragged a Bridgeport in the shop I worked in once
05:36 PM pfred1: definitely machinery propelled by curses
05:36 PM pfred1: everyone was swearing at it that day
05:41 PM CaptHindsight: i generally use a forklift :)
05:42 PM CaptHindsight: I got a used 10-ton. It paid for itself in the first year
05:46 PM * JT-Shop is happy he sold his forklift
05:47 PM CaptHindsight: don't you have a front loader?
05:47 PM CaptHindsight: or backhoe
05:48 PM CaptHindsight: a 20 ton crane that fits in your trunk would be perfect
05:48 PM CaptHindsight: with 20ft reach
05:49 PM JT-Shop: I have a backhoe and a smaller kubota with a bucket and a 6 ton gantry
05:50 PM JT-Shop: hmm 20 tons at 20ft wonder what kind of truck would hold that...
05:54 PM Connor: Building has beam 10' 5" in height. I've got a 2 Ton Chain Hoist. going to load it on a trailer. I'm hoping we have enough clearance..
05:54 PM pfred1: you'll find out
05:55 PM Connor: we can rotate the had... .. I think we have around 6' to the top of the ram. 18" for the height of the trailer.
05:55 PM Connor: rotate the HEAD.
06:06 PM * JT-Shop calls it a done day
06:08 PM BeachBumPete: Woohoo my coolant finally arrived ;)
06:09 PM BeachBumPete: I think I will pump out some of the old stuff and put some fresh water in with the new goo
06:10 PM pfred1: nothing ike rancid coolant
06:10 PM pfred1: yummy
06:10 PM BeachBumPete: Oh its not rancid really
06:10 PM BeachBumPete: but it IS a bit light of mixture
06:11 PM BeachBumPete: I have never actually had this stuff go bad in my machine yet
06:11 PM pfred1: white or pink?
06:11 PM BeachBumPete: ?
06:11 PM pfred1: the color
06:11 PM pfred1: is it organic or synthetic?
06:11 PM BeachBumPete: its more a light blue
06:11 PM pfred1: hmmm
06:12 PM pfred1: must be synthetic
06:12 PM BeachBumPete: I use Master Chemical Trim Sol E206
06:12 PM pfred1: white goes real bad
06:12 PM pfred1: works good though
06:13 PM BeachBumPete: It gets kinda depressing somehow when the coolant is not that nice blue color anymore hehe
06:14 PM pfred1: as long as it don't smell
06:14 PM pfred1: it's all good in the hood
06:14 PM BeachBumPete: yeah I have smelled skunky coolant before its NOT good
06:14 PM pfred1: we used this stuff called rance rid
06:16 PM BeachBumPete: also waiting on some nice YG1 3 flute aluminum high helix endmills to get here as well as a bunch more aluminum stock
06:16 PM pfred1: what you making AR receivers?
06:17 PM pfred1: 80%ers
06:18 PM BeachBumPete: Connor I have not had a J head mill before however I DID have a chinese clone of one. Moving it using an engine crane was kinda scary because of the odd shape. I wound up moving it on some steel/iron pipe across the garage using a little toe jack. I made a wood and plywood ramp to winch it up onto my trailer from the base. Sorry do not recall t
06:18 PM BeachBumPete: he heights of the ram from the floor doubt it is identical to an actual J head anyways.
06:18 PM BeachBumPete: pfred1 no I do not make any firearms parts
06:18 PM pfred1: BeachBumPete it's legal
06:18 PM BeachBumPete: I do machine and sell custom scope rails and risers for precision air riflle competition guns however
06:18 PM pfred1: if you only make them up to 80% complete
06:19 PM BeachBumPete: I do not make them not because of the legalities really altho that is enough to make me want to stay away mostly I chose to not make them because everyone and their brothers uncle is making them and for basically dirt cheap.
06:19 PM pfred1: I wish I could still get demilled AKs cheap
06:20 PM pfred1: I hear ya
06:20 PM BeachBumPete: I would and have considered making custom accessories for them however.
06:20 PM pfred1: back when the wall fell I should have bought a warehouse of demilled AKs
06:21 PM BeachBumPete: you can see some of the parts I make on my facebook page A&N Precision Machine if you like.
06:21 PM pfred1: who knew they would skyrocket like they did?
06:21 PM jdh: or a warehouse of apple stock
06:21 PM jdh: or bitcoin
06:21 PM pfred1: jdh I'd rather get rich a cleaner way
06:22 PM pfred1: but money's green I suppose?
06:22 PM BeachBumPete: meh I'm not too choosy about how I would get rich really ;)
06:22 PM BeachBumPete: as long as its legal
06:22 PM pfred1: legal still doesn't mean ethical
06:23 PM pfred1: Apple does give us CUPS though so they're not all bad
06:23 PM pfred1: printcap was a nightmare
06:25 PM pfred1: big tech corporations just attract the wrong kinds of people it seems
07:20 PM jdh: vs. big chemical companies. or big media companies. or big paper companies.
07:39 PM CaptHindsight: big hands companies
08:52 PM BeachBumPete: Sweet my coolant looks nice and clean and BLUE again. now if my new cutters and Aluminum barstock arrive tomorrow we can get back to making chips ;)
08:54 PM roycroft: i guess those dark blue sunglasses worked out well for you, eh? :)
08:54 PM L29Ah: i've built linuxcnc git master and installed it with `make install`, but after i run `linuxcnc`, it won't react to the buttons pressed in the machine selection window; it doesn't seem to output anything fun with -d -v; can i get it to hint me at the problem?
08:55 PM BeachBumPete: nope but I was starting to see a bit more surface rust after not using the machine for a day or so. I clean the inside of the machine and oil it after every use but the vise was showing a bit of it and I HATE that. I got it all cleaned off now tho. ;)
09:09 PM L29Ah: it's the same on 2.7.11
09:17 PM roycroft: if you are new to linuxcnc i would recommend downloading a livecd and booting that to get used to the software before attemting to build/install it yourself
09:19 PM L29Ah: i'm not
09:20 PM roycroft: never mind, then :)
09:24 PM gregcnc: CMM you put right on the mill table to inspect your part. http://www.fowlerprecision.com/Products/zCAT-DCC-CMM/zCat-54-950-001.html
09:42 PM evilroot: Hmmm, CMMs
09:42 PM * evilroot has one
09:43 PM evilroot: It came with a lot of other stuff, not really sure what to do with it
09:43 PM evilroot: Prob strip it down for parts, maybe make something else out of the motion system
10:08 PM archivist: evilren, use it!
10:11 PM archivist: evilren, I may put linuxcnc on my CMM
10:33 PM hazzy2 is now known as hazzy
10:35 PM evilren: archivist: no that is not me
10:35 PM evilren: i should really log into other shell and change that clients nick
10:38 PM enleth: evilroot: where are you located and what CMM is that?
10:41 PM evilroot: Durham NC
10:41 PM evilroot: Its a Starrett Rapid Check II
10:41 PM enleth: eh, no point in trying to ship it from the US, I'd have asked about the price if it were in the EU
10:42 PM evilroot: Yeah, it does weigh like 1800lbs
10:42 PM evilroot: I figure I'll get about $2k USD for the parts
10:42 PM enleth: a nice compact machine
10:42 PM evilroot: Seems a shame, because it works fine
10:42 PM evilroot: Even have the PC and software
10:43 PM enleth: why don't use it?
10:43 PM evilroot: I have no use for it
10:44 PM evilroot: I don't run a machine shop, heh
10:44 PM enleth: maybe see if there's a mechanically-inclined hackerspace or a similar NGO in your area who could use it in their machine shop
10:46 PM enleth: $2k might be within reach of a space that already has some machining equipment, and the table can do as a perfectly fine manual measurement surface
10:54 PM rue_house: sorry, bit off topic, but can ANYONE help me find SOMEWHERE to buy lamacoid material?!?
10:55 PM rue_house: (online)
10:57 PM Tom_L: obsolete
10:57 PM rue_house: no, they still make tags out of multicoloured material
10:57 PM rue_house: it looks like its usually ABS
10:57 PM rue_house: but I cant find a supplier of it anywhere
10:57 PM Tom_L: This is a trade name used in the construction industry for rigid phenolic engraving material (which is no longer manufactured), however the term is still used when specifying 2 or 3-ply, laminated engraving stock and/or the nameplates, tags, or legend plates produced from the stock.
10:57 PM rue_house: everyone sells tags made of it, nobody sells the material itself
10:58 PM Tom_L: http://plastic-tags.com.s167304.gridserver.com/products/index.php?category=Blanks
10:59 PM rue_house: I want sheets of it
10:59 PM rue_house: 8.5x11 aleast
11:00 PM rue_house: there must be a site where you can just enter credit card information and get it in the mail
11:00 PM Tom_L: 24 x 48 ok?
11:00 PM Tom_L: http://www.johnsonplastics.com/engraving/engravable-sheet-stock/plastic
11:00 PM rue_house: probably
11:01 PM Tom_L: https://www.able-engravers.com/engraving-sheets.htm
11:01 PM Tom_L: pay pal
11:01 PM rue_house: I been searching for like 10 hours ya know
11:01 PM rue_house: how can every word I enter be a dead end?
11:01 PM Tom_L: i've been searching for like 10 sec
11:01 PM Tom_L: ya know
11:02 PM rue_house: yea
11:02 PM rue_house: what the hell words were you using
11:02 PM Tom_L: lamacoid sheet
11:02 PM CaptHindsight: rigid porn stock plastic
11:02 PM rue_house: hahaha
11:02 PM rue_house: CaptHindsight, that dosn't seem to give me the right results...
11:03 PM CaptHindsight: the supplier is right down the street from me
11:03 PM CaptHindsight: I can check tomorrow
11:03 PM Tom_L: for rigid porn stock plastic?
11:03 PM CaptHindsight: 12hrs
11:03 PM rue_house: :)
11:04 PM evilroot: Meh, I listed it locally and on the Practical Machinist forums and didn't really get any hitd
11:04 PM CaptHindsight: big johnson rigid plastic stock
11:04 PM Tom_L: http://www.bfplasticsinc.com/engraving-products/engraving-plastics.asp
11:04 PM evilroot: Hell just the Renishaw MIP probe on the thing is worth nearly a grand
11:04 PM rue_house: this is good, I mean, its not like I can just order from these sites, like [amazon, ebay, etc] but its workable
11:05 PM Tom_L: the able site looks like you can
11:05 PM CaptHindsight: rue_house: maybe the google doesn't understand you
11:06 PM rue_house: not really, there is nothing about specifying what size your buying and shwat shipping will cost
11:06 PM Tom_L: 2ply or 3 ply
11:06 PM Tom_L: now you're just gettin picky
11:06 PM rue_house: CaptHindsight, nobody understands me, most of the time google just throws out ALL my keywords and shows me things its thinks are interesting today
11:06 PM rue_house: Tom_L, it would be nice if it was just a click-buy
11:07 PM rue_house: but, this is good
11:07 PM rue_house: I need to find out if they can get product to canada for under $100
11:07 PM Tom_L: what color?
11:07 PM rue_house: black/white
11:07 PM Tom_L: no, the sheets are 86 bux for 3 ply
11:07 PM Tom_L: 2 ply is under 50
11:08 PM rue_house: for the material yea
11:08 PM rue_house: but sending it to canada from the usa is usually $100+
11:08 PM Tom_L: also available in 1/2 and 1/4 sheet sizes
11:08 PM rue_house: IF they will
11:08 PM rue_house: yea, but I cant just say "put this 1/2 sheet of this and that colour in my cart and check out with this credit card number"
11:09 PM rue_house: which is nice, cause you dont have to fuss with timezones and telephones and ****
11:09 PM CaptHindsight: check with sign making supply houses
11:09 PM rue_house: we dont ahve any
11:09 PM Tom_L: they're in Il.
11:09 PM rue_house: I need some so we can get a label put togethro in less than 2 weeks
11:09 PM Tom_L: closer to you than me
11:10 PM rue_house: the local sign guys are a nightmare
11:10 PM Tom_L: what about trophie guys
11:10 PM rue_house: SAME GUYS
11:10 PM Tom_L: nameplate maker
11:10 PM rue_house: same
11:10 PM rue_house: and locksmith
11:10 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.signwarehouse.com/
11:11 PM rue_house: :/ they dont have any
11:11 PM Tom_L: call or email them
11:12 PM rue_house: this is what I'm trying to avoid caue it takes hours by the time you dealt with it
11:12 PM rue_house: and usually it takes 3 or 4 back-and-forths with them
11:12 PM Tom_L: hello sir, i'd like to order 1/2 sheet of ABO2 and ship it to canada. can you help me?
11:13 PM rue_house: busy right now, call ya back ok?
11:13 PM Tom_L: email
11:13 PM rue_house: its a hastle over, for example, buying from amazon
11:13 PM rue_house: thats all I'm sayin
11:14 PM rue_house: esp when you factor in timezone, and delays
11:14 PM Tom_L: http://www.canadianengravers.com/
11:15 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.grimco.ca/Grimco/userHome.action
11:15 PM Tom_L: meh, they're not a supplier
11:16 PM CaptHindsight: Grimco us has it
11:16 PM CaptHindsight: maybe it's been banned in Canada?
11:16 PM rue_house: its another "call us to buy"
11:16 PM CaptHindsight: just too unique
11:17 PM CaptHindsight: you probably have a color preference as well
11:17 PM rue_house: calling ontario is a pain, timezones again, ho hum
11:17 PM Tom_L: not really, all sorts of stuff uses that
11:17 PM CaptHindsight: where is you be?
11:17 PM rue_house: there was a 3M plastics in vancouver, but they dissapeared
11:17 PM Tom_L: canuckville
11:17 PM Tom_L: N of washington
11:18 PM rue_house: yea, look for "the sunshine coast" there are only 2, and i'm not in australlia
11:18 PM CaptHindsight: below Russia
11:18 PM rue_house: between the united states
11:18 PM rue_house: between the united states'
11:19 PM Tom_L: i'll set a sheet on the back step for when you drop by
11:19 PM rue_house: it looks like I'm gonna have to sit on the phone for 4 hours if I want some
11:20 PM rue_house: but you found places that sell it!
11:20 PM rue_house: :)
11:20 PM CaptHindsight: well it's easier to get poutine up there
11:20 PM tiwake: ponies
11:20 PM Tom_L: you goin into the nametag business now?
11:20 PM rue_house: we need 24hr turnaround
11:21 PM rue_house: one of the sign shops hasn't answered a call in a year and a half
11:21 PM Tom_L: well don't send it canadian post then for damn sure
11:21 PM rue_house: the fastest guy has a manual router he uses
11:22 PM CaptHindsight: maybe Canada is trying to get people to use word of mouth vs signs and name tags
11:22 PM rue_house: on a good week we can get stuff from him in a week
11:23 PM CaptHindsight: https://shop.ndgraphics.com/catalogpc.htm?CATEGORY=MAT-SUBSTRATES
11:26 PM CaptHindsight: I agree now
11:26 PM CaptHindsight: looks like it's difficult to find in CA
11:26 PM CaptHindsight: have you considered moving?
11:27 PM CaptHindsight: you take a lot of things for granted living in the USA...
11:38 PM * evilroot yawns
11:38 PM * evilroot is running low on Vodka
11:39 PM evilroot: Mmmm, poutine
11:39 PM evilroot: Haven't had that in forever. You can get fresh cheese curds here
11:39 PM evilroot: Unless you make them yourself which is a pain
11:45 PM CaptHindsight: they have hot and cold running cheese curds just north of me
11:46 PM CaptHindsight: you stop at a gas station and they are next to the cold beer
11:48 PM CaptHindsight: they even have them at Culvers https://www.culvers.com/menu-and-nutrition/sides
11:49 PM rue_house: hah
11:49 PM rue_house: not a reason to move to the usa
11:49 PM CaptHindsight: we have a silly guy in charge now
11:49 PM rue_house: I just learned not to close the lid on the cnc laptop while a job is running
11:50 PM rue_house: CaptHindsight, we all noticed
11:50 PM CaptHindsight: oops did it sleep?
11:50 PM rue_house: the serial ports didn't come back, so I'd say it was deeper than that
11:50 PM CaptHindsight: rue_house: was it laughter followed by sadness?
11:50 PM rue_house: the job was screwed anyhow, I was letting it finish to see how badly it would end
11:51 PM rue_house: you know, when its wrong, but your not sure quite how wrong till its done?
11:52 PM rue_house: well, thanks for the help
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