#linuxcnc Logs
Sep 12 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:05 AM MrSunshine: what version of linuxcnc to be able to use joints ?
12:07 AM MrSunshine: (dual motors for gantry etc)
12:48 AM IchGucksLive: morning from Germany
12:50 AM IchGucksLive: MrSunshine: still here
01:16 AM IchGucksLive: till later
01:43 AM CaptHindsight: MrSunshine: master branch IIRC
02:31 AM Deejay: moin
03:15 AM RyanS: anyone used Linux CNC's torch height controller?
04:50 AM XXCoder: boom
05:14 AM jthornton: morning
05:14 AM XXCoder: hey jthornton
05:15 AM XXCoder: its confirmed, old fadal, the first machine I worked on when I started my current job, is retired now
05:15 AM XXCoder: jobs is being ran on robodrill now
05:23 AM jthornton: the robodrill looks like a pain to run
05:24 AM XXCoder: well its pretty decent. it does not break each month like office mill.
05:24 AM XXCoder: the door tho
05:25 AM jthornton: lol
05:25 AM XXCoder: it has same annoying flaw as old fadal though
05:25 AM XXCoder: no temperate comp
05:25 AM jthornton: looks like 4 birds used the roost last night
05:26 AM XXCoder: so it changes z as it warms and cool
05:26 AM jthornton: that sucks
05:26 AM XXCoder: it went .002 up once when hot sunny day ended and sunset come with pretty darn cool air
05:26 AM jthornton: how much does it move?
05:26 AM XXCoder: not enough to scrap anything really but cant run super precise parts with it
06:04 AM jthornton: well my first eagle board ended up with a bunch of overlaps so try try again
06:05 AM XXCoder: engraving a circuit board?>
06:21 AM jthornton: thinking of making a chicken coop board to mount everything to
06:22 AM XXCoder: cool :)
06:22 AM XXCoder: so glad air is finally pretty clear now.
06:22 AM XXCoder: moon is actually grayish white!
06:22 AM XXCoder: its been yellow to red for weeks
06:23 AM XXCoder: off to bed. night
06:23 AM jthornton: looks like rain for here with a high of 67F
06:34 AM XXCoder: jthornton: lol almost forgot to push more books to my kindle so had to get up and do that
06:34 AM XXCoder: nice. here should rain again at thursdays. sundayrain was barely there but enough to clear most ash
06:34 AM Tom_itx: JT-Shop, overlaps where?
06:35 AM XXCoder: well back to bed I go. night
06:43 AM jthornton: Tom_itx: I have eagle 5 but all the libraries are for 7 so I guess I need to get 7???
06:45 AM jthornton: I have 6.5 on this linux pc and it want's me to upgrade to 8.3
06:45 AM Tom_itx: i'm using 4.16 :)
06:46 AM Tom_itx: with eagle, you draw the schematic first then create the board file from it. that way you have an ERC to check the connections
06:47 AM Tom_itx: and if you can't find a library component you can create it
06:47 AM jthornton: yea I did a quick tutorial this morning
06:47 AM Tom_itx: there are 3 steps to that. draw the board layout, add the pins, connect the pins to signals
06:48 AM Tom_itx: i'm sure it's changed some from the version i use but probably not that much
06:49 AM Tom_itx: if you use the libs, the footprints should be pretty accurate for board sizing
06:50 AM Tom_itx: hint: when you draw the schematic, use net instead of wire
06:50 AM Tom_itx: wire doesn't always connect because it will snap to grid and if the grid is off a tiny bit it won't connect
06:52 AM jthornton: yea the tutorial said to use net not wire
06:52 AM Tom_itx: did you find a lib with some stuff you needed?
06:55 AM jthornton: yes I think I did find the lib for the esp8266 development board
06:56 AM Tom_itx: they had very few when i started using it. i had to make what i needed
06:56 AM Tom_itx: like ver 1.xx or something
06:56 AM Tom_itx: i grabbed ver8
07:02 AM Tom_itx: wow, they didn't give you any libs with it now
07:02 AM Tom_itx: except ltspice
07:07 AM Tom_itx: if you need screw terminals etc lemme know, i don't see any of that stuff in 8
07:07 AM jthornton: ok, 6 seems to be working on linux
07:08 AM Tom_itx: unless they moved em all around
07:12 AM Tom_itx: just sent you a link to them
08:59 AM IchGucksLive: hi
09:18 AM IchGucksLive: RyanS: i got 4 THC in use
09:22 AM IchGucksLive: laterl ;-)
09:48 AM gregcnc_ is now known as gregcnc
10:38 AM TurBoss: Hello
10:38 AM HighInBC: hi
10:38 AM TurBoss: What I should go SSD o HDD ?
10:38 AM HighInBC: for what?
10:39 AM HighInBC: for a CNC? HDD will probably be fine
10:39 AM TurBoss: for cnc control
10:39 AM BeachBumPete: I have a SSD on my Cincinatti
10:39 AM HighInBC: ssds are much faster and quieter, but more expensive
10:39 AM BeachBumPete: been working good for a few years now
10:39 AM sync: I would never put spinning rust in a machine in 2017
10:39 AM TurBoss: I broke 2 of them
10:39 AM TurBoss: ssd
10:40 AM HighInBC: which one is more reliable really depends on how often you write to them. On a CNC an ssd will probably last a good long time
10:40 AM TurBoss: I'll go with HDD
10:40 AM TurBoss: thanks
10:40 AM BeachBumPete: if you already decided then why the hell did you ask?
10:40 AM HighInBC: he did get some information
10:41 AM TurBoss: to know if there was a big improvement
10:41 AM TurBoss: 2 year of sdd or 10 hdd that is what I know
10:41 AM TurBoss: *ssd
10:42 AM TurBoss: it doesn't do anything to latency right?
10:42 AM HighInBC: ssds wear out from writing, the 2 year figure is generally if you heavily write to it like a database or scratch disk
10:42 AM HighInBC: it does a lot for latency
10:42 AM HighInBC: ssd random seek times are way faster
10:42 AM TurBoss: Oh
10:42 AM SpeedEvil: Also, a 32gb SSD is quite adequate for lcnc
10:42 AM HighInBC: but CNCs don't really need a lot of high speed random disk access
10:42 AM SpeedEvil: probably even a USB keydrive
10:43 AM HighInBC: much faster boot times, and load times though
10:43 AM TurBoss: I'll be tranfering 60 mb files once a week
10:43 AM TurBoss: or days
10:44 AM CaptHindsight: doesn't have much of an effect on latency jitter
10:44 AM TurBoss: well the PC is a pentiom 4
10:44 AM HighInBC: oh, I was thinking disk latency, not cnc latency
10:44 AM TurBoss: :D
10:44 AM CaptHindsight: disk latency is another issue, don't confuse the two
10:44 AM TurBoss: :)
10:45 AM TurBoss: the main issue I have now
10:45 AM TurBoss: is loading this 60mb files into lcnc
10:45 AM TurBoss: it takes more tha 10m
10:45 AM TurBoss: and if i issue a touch off ... load again
10:45 AM HighInBC: 10 minutes fot 60mb? You using a serial port?
10:45 AM HighInBC: floppy disks?
10:45 AM BeachBumPete: WOW
10:46 AM TurBoss: sorry I mean load in the Axis :D
10:46 AM TurBoss: AXIS gui
10:46 AM TurBoss: the TC gui loads it in secs
10:47 AM TurBoss: sorry I mean tk
10:47 AM TurBoss: oh no
10:47 AM TurBoss: any gui without 3d view
10:47 AM HighInBC: how much ram do you have?
10:47 AM TurBoss: 2 GB
10:47 AM HighInBC: not very much, it is probably swapping memory
10:48 AM HighInBC: once a program runs out of ram and has to use a disk for swap it slows to a crawl
10:49 AM TurBoss: for what I investigated is the python "open -> readline"
10:49 AM TurBoss: that loop takes ages
10:51 AM HighInBC: it won't take ages to just read 60mb of data, it must be doing something with it to take 10 minutes
10:51 AM HighInBC: 60mb is nothing
10:56 AM pcw_home: if you have a 60 MB gcode file, turn off the preview...
11:00 AM TurBoss: ok thanks
11:04 AM _methods: BeachBumPete: yo how'd you fare?
11:04 AM _methods: you got power back already?
11:05 AM BeachBumPete: _methods we are ok
11:05 AM _methods: good deal
11:05 AM BeachBumPete: house lost a bunch of roofing tiles
11:05 AM _methods: ah that sux
11:05 AM BeachBumPete: spend a day or two without power
11:05 AM _methods: and that' is a good thing
11:05 AM BeachBumPete: but they JUST got the power turned back on
11:05 AM HighInBC: ya but I bet you can find a bunch of roofing tiles just lying around
11:05 AM _methods: a couple days isn't too bad
11:06 AM _methods: a couple weeks is another story lol
11:06 AM BeachBumPete: some folks will be at least weeks before they see power again
11:06 AM _methods: your welcome back to florida hurricane lol
11:06 AM _methods: oh nm
11:06 AM BeachBumPete: Naples got its azz kicked
11:06 AM _methods: matthew
11:06 AM _methods: was your welcome back wasn't it lol
11:06 AM BeachBumPete: yeah we had this much fun last year too
11:06 AM _methods: yeah me too
11:06 AM _methods: spent a couple days pulling branches out of coworkers roof
11:06 AM BeachBumPete: its funny we lived here for years and never had anything like this
11:07 AM BeachBumPete: then we move back and BAM
11:07 AM _methods: hehe
11:07 AM _methods: welcome home
11:07 AM BeachBumPete: its a beautiful day here today tho
11:07 AM _methods: yeah it's beautiful here too
11:07 AM _methods: nice and muggy again lol
11:07 AM BeachBumPete: I mowed the lawn yesterday afternoon and mulched most of the shit that fell off the trees LOL
11:07 AM BeachBumPete: its actually kinda cool today
11:08 AM BeachBumPete: a bit breezy
11:08 AM BeachBumPete: very nice
11:08 AM BeachBumPete: took my youngest daughter out for breakfast
11:08 AM _methods: restaurants already back open eh
11:08 AM BeachBumPete: wife and other daughter did not want to go
11:08 AM BeachBumPete: most are not still
11:08 AM BeachBumPete: but there are a few
11:09 AM BeachBumPete: its really amazing how much we rely on AC power when its gone it REALLY SUCKS
11:09 AM _methods: yep
11:09 AM BeachBumPete: even with a nice brand new generator and portable AC unit
11:09 AM BeachBumPete: its funny tho
11:09 AM IchGucksLive: ah the wind man is here
11:09 AM BeachBumPete: last night my personal Portable AC unit stopped working so I borrowed one from a coworker
11:09 AM IchGucksLive: BeachBumPete: what has been the top readiong
11:10 AM BeachBumPete: we put it in the master along with a couple rans
11:10 AM _methods: i just backfeed the panel so i can run the central ac
11:10 AM BeachBumPete: you are not supposed to do that actually
11:10 AM _methods: i'm sure lol
11:10 AM _methods: but i do
11:10 AM _methods: i make sure i cut off the mains
11:10 AM BeachBumPete: apparently the linesmen can get electrocuted by your generator
11:10 AM _methods: i don't want to smoke the linesman fixin my shit
11:10 AM _methods: lock out tag out
11:10 AM BeachBumPete: anyways we went to bed last night
11:11 AM BeachBumPete: with the AC running in our bedroom
11:11 AM BeachBumPete: it was reasonably comfy
11:11 AM _methods: nice
11:11 AM BeachBumPete: then I wake up during the night FREEZING MY AZZ OFF!!!
11:11 AM _methods: nothing like some AC to make you feel civilized
11:11 AM BeachBumPete: I mean this thing was kicking ass and before I knew it was like 65 degrees in there or
11:11 AM BeachBumPete: I did not realize the setting was so low because we never used it yet
11:12 AM BeachBumPete: so I woke up and cranked it up to like 77
11:12 AM BeachBumPete: then it was back to comfy again and I slept good the rest of the night
11:12 AM BeachBumPete: our house here is quite efficient
11:12 AM BeachBumPete: even during the heat of the summer our bills are seldom over $200
11:13 AM _methods: that's a good thing after you lose power
11:13 AM BeachBumPete: not bad for 2400 Sq ft
11:14 AM BeachBumPete: I think it is because this house has a rather large overhang on the roof eaves all around the house
11:14 AM BeachBumPete: you can stand anywhere around the house in pouring down rain and not get wet unless it is really blowing hard
11:17 AM IchGucksLive: live with power is somthing humens like
11:17 AM IchGucksLive: without there is fast somthing missing
11:17 AM BeachBumPete: sure is
11:17 AM BeachBumPete: just not hearing generators running all night long all over the neighborhood is nice
11:18 AM IchGucksLive: did you get flooding
11:18 AM BeachBumPete: no we did not get any flooding really
11:19 AM IchGucksLive: what town are you
11:19 AM BeachBumPete: I mean our water retention ditch is full but other than that the streets are clear
11:19 AM BeachBumPete: Port St. Lucie
11:19 AM BeachBumPete: We got some WICKED winds tho
11:20 AM BeachBumPete: we had 98 mph winds recorded at the power plant maybe ten minutes from here as the crow flies
11:20 AM IchGucksLive: As of 6 p.m. there are roughly 109,000 customers without power in St. Lucie County
11:21 AM BeachBumPete: that sounds incorrect there are only 124 K people in the county and most have power restored already including us
11:22 AM IchGucksLive: The highest recorded wind was 80 mph at the St. Lucie Nuclear Power Plant
11:23 AM BeachBumPete: not from what they said on the news I watched it live
11:23 AM IchGucksLive: its over and the neyt is not to come
11:23 AM BeachBumPete: 98
11:23 AM BeachBumPete: maybe sustained wind? Gusts were really high
11:24 AM IchGucksLive: im off till later
12:08 PM TurBoss: what do you guys use to write the iso to a usb? dd, the ubuntu tool, etcher, other?
12:08 PM TurBoss: all failed to me
12:09 PM cradek: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_write_the_image_to_a_bootable_device
12:09 PM TurBoss: Ive read that
12:09 PM TurBoss: isn't working...
12:10 PM TurBoss: :)
12:10 PM cradek: did you read all the words in that section?
12:10 PM TurBoss: ah
12:10 PM TurBoss: probably no
12:11 PM TurBoss: yes I did read all
12:11 PM TurBoss: $ sudo dd if=linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso of=/dev/sdf
12:11 PM cradek: ok then tell us more about what you're doing and then seeing that looks wrong
12:12 PM cradek: that looks promising if your device is sdf
12:12 PM TurBoss: isolinux missing or corrupt
12:12 PM TurBoss: sorry currently flashing again can't remember the error
12:12 PM TurBoss: exactly
12:12 PM cradek: did you also do http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_verify_the_image
12:13 PM TurBoss: ah
12:13 PM TurBoss: used zsync
12:13 PM TurBoss: verifying now
12:14 PM TurBoss: Image is correct
12:14 PM TurBoss: sha256sum is the same
12:14 PM TurBoss: a3c29850cbc44da7b1ecdbe584a915f158c0b84428acfbcf3271df85c24e34aa
12:14 PM cradek: cool
12:14 PM cradek: does the dd complete without error?
12:15 PM TurBoss: this computer was runing lcnc until yesterday
12:15 PM TurBoss: yes..
12:16 PM TurBoss: can be the ubuntu automount stuff?
12:16 PM cradek: how is ubuntu involved?
12:18 PM cradek: if the stick is mounted when you dd to it, that does seem likely to screw something up
12:22 PM TurBoss1: sorry back
12:22 PM TurBoss1: internet failure
12:22 PM TurBoss1: or something
12:23 PM TurBoss1: cradeck: could be a bad usb ?
12:23 PM TurBoss1: *cradek
12:23 PM TurBoss1: sorry
12:26 PM TurBoss: sorry internet went down
12:26 PM TurBoss1: lol they are coming
12:27 PM TurBoss1: steps I follow
12:27 PM TurBoss1: umount /dev/sdf1
12:27 PM TurBoss1: and 2 if needed
12:27 PM TurBoss1: dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdf
12:27 PM TurBoss1: end succesfully
12:28 PM TurBoss1: $ sync
12:28 PM TurBoss1: then if I open gparted
12:28 PM TurBoss1: I see a uknown partition
12:28 PM TurBoss1: I delete that partition
12:28 PM TurBoss1: then leave the device unpartitioned
12:29 PM TurBoss1: or empty
12:29 PM TurBoss1: and again dd if of ...
12:29 PM TurBoss1: boot and I get isolinux.bin missing or corrupt
12:29 PM TurBoss1: I sync before unplug
12:31 PM TurBoss1: ok downloading again
12:33 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: TurBoss1: if there have been a iso on the partition you need to make a new partitiontable
12:36 PM TurBoss1: ok I'll wipe the partition table
12:36 PM TurBoss1: a dos one?
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: yes
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: then make if you need it a FAT32 small primary
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: make a extended
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: 40GB root ext4
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: 40gb Home
12:37 PM TurBoss1: is a usb stick
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: and swap as many as RAM
12:37 PM TurBoss1: to live boot
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: yes
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: oh live boot
12:37 PM TurBoss1: :)
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: then no
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: why not instal it
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: i run multiple on usb
12:38 PM TurBoss1: I dont have any dvd
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: its 8USD a external DVD
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: its delivered in 3 days
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: it is shure a thing to wait
12:39 PM TurBoss1: is a good gadget to have
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: then the benefit is you plug somwhere your stick and got a full cnc syszem
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: shure it is
12:40 PM TurBoss: ping
12:40 PM TurBoss1: oh I'm back
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: TurBoss: go to bay and type panasonic cf-29
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: this is the hard stuff for the shop
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: proven oin 80pounds at 3feet
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: your pc will go
12:41 PM TurBoss: ohh a rugged laptop
12:41 PM TurBoss: :D
12:41 PM TurBoss: is that?
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: yes kevlar case
12:43 PM TurBoss: but what I want is to boot lcnc from usb to install it to the HD :D
12:43 PM TurBoss: *HDD
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: ok then you need to put the image to a blank only partition table usb stick
12:45 PM IchGucksLive: use the wheezy image its multiboot
12:45 PM TurBoss: zsync http://www.linuxcnc.org/linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso.zsync
12:45 PM TurBoss: downloading this ^
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: yes it is huge
12:47 PM TurBoss: 10 min left
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: 1.3GB
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: TurBoss: what os are you on
12:57 PM TurBoss: ubuntu 17.04
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: cool
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: so locate usv sudo fdisk -l
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: USB
12:57 PM TurBoss: I use lsblk
12:57 PM TurBoss: :)
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: and what is it
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: "/dev/sdx"
12:58 PM TurBoss: $ umount /dev/sdf1
12:58 PM TurBoss: did this
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: thats wriong
12:58 PM TurBoss: sdf
12:58 PM TurBoss: why?
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: it needs to be mounted
12:59 PM TurBoss: ok
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: do
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: sudo fdisk -l
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: then
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: sudo dd if=linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso of=/dev/sdx bs=1M & pid=$!
12:59 PM TurBoss: /dev/sdf1 2048 8060927 8058880 3,9G b W95 FAT32
01:00 PM TurBoss: mounted?
01:00 PM TurBoss: dd with a mounted device?
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: sudo dd if=linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso of=/dev/sdf bs=1M & pid=$!
01:00 PM TurBoss: ok
01:00 PM TurBoss: ok it gived me a pid
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: sudo watch --interval 20 kill -USR1 pid
01:01 PM TurBoss: is writing
01:07 PM TurBoss: and failed
01:07 PM TurBoss: sorry I think that the usb stick is bad
01:07 PM TurBoss: or broken
01:08 PM TurBoss: i'll go to buy a new one
01:09 PM * TurBoss goes AFK
01:18 PM MrSunshine: CaptHindsight, aight
01:21 PM IchGucksLive: MrSunshine: did you decid a board
01:22 PM MrSunshine: IchGucksLive, ?
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: i did read the logs and you where asking on a BOB
01:22 PM MrSunshine: IchGucksLive, that must be ages ago =)
01:22 PM MrSunshine: have a bob atm that works fine =) just an ordenary db25 .. vanilla edition =)
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: yesterday
01:23 PM IchGucksLive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I00ArvYvZgI i use them
01:23 PM IchGucksLive: as they are so cool in config and pinouts
01:23 PM IchGucksLive: and now also fits the 7i92
01:23 PM IchGucksLive: so full ethernet
01:24 PM IchGucksLive: if i coudt get cmornley to do the pnconf 7i92 then wourld woudt be a starheven
01:25 PM IchGucksLive: world
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: WHOW just in Firer alrm Red warning for tonight
01:26 PM MrSunshine: IchGucksLive, ah that was about what sensors to use =)
01:26 PM MrSunshine: npn or pnp with the breakoutboard i got =)
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: wind up to 110kmh
01:26 PM CaptHindsight: why is the crate always 1" wider than the pallet, truck bed, aisle, doorway, etc?
01:27 PM MrSunshine: CaptHindsight, haha :P
01:27 PM IchGucksLive: MrSunshine: i use this LJ12A3-4-Z-BX-Three-Wire
01:27 PM IchGucksLive: ebay 252314884820
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: as they are sinking
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: you coudt clamp all together
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: 12V Reai A1 - A2 all switches
01:29 PM IchGucksLive: Inductiv Black cable
01:30 PM MrSunshine: IchGucksLive, looks just like the one ive ordered so =)
01:30 PM MrSunshine: black cable to input port then ? =)
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: no use a relai
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: relai is sourced by 12V
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: the Ground relai is the switch black wire
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: as the swich is itself on 12V and gnd
01:33 PM MrSunshine: why use a relay? as long as they pull the signal low i dont see a reason to ? =)
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: up to you
01:34 PM IchGucksLive: i like to get all main mashine signals clear from BOB logic
01:34 PM IchGucksLive: therfor i use non 5V input logic on the BOB
01:35 PM IchGucksLive: http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/5achs_elek
01:36 PM IchGucksLive: its somewhat more expensive (80Euro) but it is the best way to go
01:37 PM MrSunshine: IchGucksLive, d you use inductive senors for homing machine ? do you know the aproximate accuracy on them ? =)
01:37 PM IchGucksLive: depends on material on the other side i got 0,05
01:38 PM IchGucksLive: the micro switches go on 0,02
01:38 PM MrSunshine: good enough for homing imo
01:38 PM MrSunshine: tho ... could make the gantry a bit out of square .. hmm
01:38 PM MrSunshine: oh well .. will have to do until later =)
01:38 PM phipli: good to see you back BeachBumPete
01:39 PM phipli: hope you didn't have too rougher time
01:39 PM IchGucksLive: karlesomatagente: still online
01:46 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
01:58 PM MacGalempsy: good afternoon
02:05 PM CaptHindsight: Ichs' fan in the lower right of the cabinet looks held in by one fastener
02:05 PM CaptHindsight: does it just blow the air around inside?
02:06 PM CaptHindsight: the PSU's also have fans, and with that arrangement will keep the internal air circulating
02:07 PM CaptHindsight: have to ask him tomorrow
02:07 PM CaptHindsight: or let me know if you read the logs
03:37 PM Crom: mmmmm fried spam, string cheese and sour dough sandwich... my kind of breaking fast
03:39 PM gloops: spam ok, not string cheese or sour dough
03:48 PM Loetmichel: Crom: You HAVE to be a brit ;)
03:50 PM SpeedEvil: String cheese isn't really a british thing, as a rule.
04:01 PM gloops: what you need is some bacon, or sausages, with fried tomatoes
04:02 PM gloops: i do like fried spam though, i always eat a can of spam straight out the tin when i go fishing
04:11 PM SpeedEvil: Black pudding.
04:16 PM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: more the combination of things that reminded me of my encounters of "british cuisine" so far ;)
04:17 PM gloops: not so easy to get real black pudding these days
04:18 PM gloops: damn regulations
04:21 PM * Jymmm hands gloops a 12 gauge hypodermic needle... DIY Baby, DIY!
04:24 PM gloops: not keen on needle
04:24 PM Jymmm: dull machette?
04:25 PM Loetmichel: 12gauge?
04:25 PM Loetmichel: as in shotgun?
04:25 PM Loetmichel: isnt that a BIT big?
04:25 PM Loetmichel: for a "needle"?
04:26 PM Loetmichel: black pudding is german "blutwurst" isnt it?
04:27 PM gloops: dont know if the germans have it, its basically pigs blood and fat boiled in an intestine
04:28 PM Deejay: gn8
04:28 PM gloops: night
04:28 PM Loetmichel: yeah, blutwurst. (blood sausage)
04:28 PM Loetmichel: nacht Deejay
04:30 PM gloops: my old man used to swear by it, they said it was bad for people for years, then recently its suddenly a health food
04:31 PM Jymmm: lmao
04:32 PM Jymmm: It all depends on ho bribed who, and how much =)
04:32 PM Jymmm: s/ho/who/
04:33 PM phipli: mmmm black pudding
04:33 PM phipli: chippy down the way does deep fried battered black pudding
04:34 PM phipli: lumps as big as an apple
04:34 PM gloops: they have red and white pudding further north
04:34 PM phipli: lethal
04:34 PM phipli: seen white pudding, not red
04:34 PM phipli: gloops: was it you that was sheffield?
04:35 PM gloops: phipli maybe they are getting traditional back pudding, the stuff in the supermarkets isnt the same , its like plastic
04:35 PM gloops: yeah not far from sheffield
04:35 PM phipli: I'm over in Derby
04:36 PM gloops: not a million miles away
04:36 PM phipli: similar friday cob requirements I'd imagine :)
04:36 PM gloops: ive collected ebay purchases at that distance lol
04:37 PM gloops: tbh i dont think there is an english owned chippy where i live
04:37 PM gloops: greek and polish - not big on the old fashioned stuff
04:37 PM gloops: good fish and chips though
04:38 PM phipli: there is an Indian run one down the way
04:38 PM phipli: but it is entirely traditional english chippy
04:38 PM phipli: good portions
04:39 PM phipli: we get one large between two of us
04:39 PM phipli: chips are good
04:39 PM phipli: fish isn't great
04:39 PM phipli: the one I mentioned before is a bit more of a drive away
04:39 PM phipli: we used to liver closer
04:39 PM phipli: amazing chips
04:39 PM phipli: *live
04:39 PM phipli: heh
04:40 PM phipli: offal slip
04:40 PM MarcelineVQ: haha
04:40 PM gloops: the very best here are in a small garden centres tiny cafe, he goes to filey for the fish every week
04:41 PM gloops: not cheap though
04:42 PM phipli: Just got back from the pub. Steak Pie for dinner
04:42 PM phipli: with great big lumps of cow
04:43 PM gloops: cant go wrong with that
04:43 PM phipli: nope
04:45 PM gloops: anyway bedtime for me
04:45 PM phipli: Night
04:45 PM phipli: heh
04:45 PM phipli: already gone
05:33 PM JT-Shop: hey phipli
08:22 PM Crom: just ordered a 4" vice from LMS $86 all told.
08:22 PM Crom: kurt style
08:23 PM Crom: https://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1504
08:24 PM Crom: yes I know it's too big foran X2
08:24 PM Crom: I'll live with it until I can get my X4
08:25 PM Crom: it was $65 vs $99 for a 3"
08:42 PM Tom_itx: JT-Shop, make any progress with eagle?
10:01 PM Tom_itx: BeachBumPete, things somewhat back to normal?
10:04 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
10:06 PM BeachBumPete: actually yeah sorta
10:06 PM BeachBumPete: I spent most of the day cleaning up debris and mowing the yard
10:06 PM Tom_L: do you have basements down there?
10:06 PM BeachBumPete: I also decided to remove a large THICK shrub that blocked the entrance from the driveway to the front door area that was annoying me
10:07 PM Tom_L: or is the water table too high
10:07 PM BeachBumPete: There is a really pretty tree just over my driveway that creates a lot of nice shade for washing the car etx
10:07 PM BeachBumPete: but it hung down too low and during the storm was whacking the roof of my van
10:08 PM BeachBumPete: so I broke out my electric pole chainsaw and cut them down a bit too at least the lower branches
10:08 PM BeachBumPete: we do not generally have basements no
10:08 PM BeachBumPete: you dig down a few feet and you are almost certain to hit water
10:08 PM Tom_L: i figured
10:08 PM Tom_L: not too many in carolina either
10:08 PM BeachBumPete: I am actually quite pleased with how the yard looks now its a bit less cluttered looking
10:09 PM Tom_L: i gotta take the pole saw to mine once a year it seems
10:09 PM BeachBumPete: there was a large stump that had come up in the front yard that I always hit with the damn mower so I cut that bitch out of there too
10:09 PM BeachBumPete: I never had one of those pole saws and now I cannot imagine NOT having it
10:10 PM BeachBumPete: I also drained the generator of fuel
10:10 PM BeachBumPete: and then ran it til it shut down
10:10 PM Tom_L: you keep it empty?
10:10 PM BeachBumPete: brought it inside
10:10 PM BeachBumPete: sure no?
10:10 PM Tom_L: i keep mine full and ready to go
10:10 PM BeachBumPete: I would not want the fuel to go bad
10:10 PM Tom_L: in the garage
10:10 PM Tom_L: i switch it out once a year
10:11 PM BeachBumPete: I keep the fuel cans full
10:11 PM Tom_L: burn it in the cars
10:11 PM BeachBumPete: huh
10:11 PM Tom_L: i keep the cans full too but use them on the yard as needed
10:11 PM BeachBumPete: I have two large cans now for the generator
10:11 PM Tom_L: i don't bother with stabil
10:11 PM BeachBumPete: and a smaller one for the lawn care stuff
10:11 PM BeachBumPete: that little generator ran great for us
10:12 PM BeachBumPete: very pleased with it
10:12 PM Tom_L: however you store it, cycle it out every so often
10:12 PM BeachBumPete: I was unable to mow near the water retention ditch around the yard due to still standing water in there
10:12 PM BeachBumPete: so I will have to wait until it drains or dries out
10:13 PM BeachBumPete: all of this yard cleaning turned into a whole house cleaning today sorta
10:13 PM BeachBumPete: Dacia was working inside and me and the kids outside
10:13 PM BeachBumPete: feels good now that everything is cleaned and cleared out
10:13 PM BeachBumPete: back to work tomorrow
10:13 PM Tom_L: no water got insided?
10:14 PM BeachBumPete: did you want to see some pics I took of the restaurant I am working on?
10:14 PM Tom_L: -d
10:14 PM Tom_L: sure
10:14 PM BeachBumPete: no we did not have any real flooding thankfully
10:14 PM BeachBumPete: stdby
10:14 PM Jymmm: BeachBumPete: What gen do you have?
10:15 PM BeachBumPete: its an off brand 4500 watt 6.5hp 3000 continuous with DC12v output as well
10:16 PM BeachBumPete: pull start
10:16 PM BeachBumPete: takes about 3.5 gallons of fuel
10:16 PM Jymmm: Ah, ok. nevermind then =)
10:16 PM BeachBumPete: http://imgur.com/a/bo5hl
10:16 PM BeachBumPete: heh why?
10:17 PM Tom_L: Jymmm get a generac
10:17 PM BeachBumPete: I think its called an LTC?
10:17 PM Jymmm: Tom_L: too pricy
10:17 PM Tom_L: https://www.zoro.com/generac-automatic-standby-generator-62dba-60hz-7029/i/G5094890/feature-product?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIq4uMypKh1gIVl7rACh1MywwzEAQYBCABEgIwZvD_BwE
10:17 PM Jymmm: BeachBumPete: If you had a Honda EU2000i, I'd share some tips
10:17 PM BeachBumPete: I bought this one brand new for 385
10:17 PM Tom_L: they got features though
10:18 PM BeachBumPete: those hondas are supposed to be nice but damn they are expensive
10:18 PM BeachBumPete: I was also quite surprised how quiet this one we have is
10:19 PM Tom_L: i don't remember what mine is but it is OHV
10:19 PM BeachBumPete: it is not HONDA quiet but compared to the one we had last year that we borrowed it was a lot quieter
10:21 PM Jymmm: This is nice gasoline/propane, electric and pull start 110/220/12v I've been looking at it for years. NO SALES TO CALIFRONIA http://www.ebay.com/itm/DuroMax-XP4850EH-Hybrid-Portable-Dual-Fuel-Propane-Gas-Camping-RV-Generator-/171503114601
10:22 PM Jymmm: But it ships from california, fuckers =)
10:23 PM Tom_L: what engine do they put in those?
10:23 PM Jymmm: And propane never goes bad
10:24 PM Tom_L: i could probably put a kit on mine
10:24 PM Tom_L: i wonder how long a regular bottle would last
10:24 PM Jymmm: Tom_L: It's almost cheaper to buy that gen, than to get/install a kit
10:25 PM Tom_L: free shipping?
10:26 PM Tom_L: they must be using child labor
10:28 PM jdh: 16,504 sold
10:29 PM Jymmm: on amazon too if you want reviews
10:30 PM jdh: I have a 5kw generator, out under a holly tree. it's been there since the last good hurricane about 9 years ago
10:31 PM jdh: or rather, I assume it is still there, lots of stuff has grown up over there
10:31 PM BeachBumPete: well Gn8 guys work tomorrow morning...
10:32 PM Jymmm: jdh: Got Bicycle? http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/01/article-0-16B37166000005DC-54_634x454.jpg
10:33 PM jdh: needs some work
10:33 PM Jymmm: and a chainsaw )
11:19 PM Tom_L: Jymmm, how do you control the mixture on a propane conversion?
11:20 PM Tom_L: the ones i see fit in front of the carburetor
11:21 PM Tom_L: on a tri fuel kit
11:23 PM Valen: Tom_L: venturi type thing I presume
11:23 PM Jymmm: Tom_L: I think it has to do with the jet in the carb primarily
11:23 PM Valen: like old LPG conversions for cars
11:23 PM Tom_L: never messed with any
11:24 PM Tom_L: do you start them on gasoline then?
11:24 PM Tom_L: then switch over/
11:24 PM Tom_L: >
11:24 PM Jymmm: Tom_L: no, either or
11:25 PM Jymmm: Tom_L: no gas is needed at all
11:25 PM Valen: these days it'd probably be just as easy to have a gas state injector and a maf sensor or something lol
11:25 PM Tom_L: so the regulator must be preset for the engine?
11:26 PM Tom_L: just wondering what keeps it from running lean or rich running on propane or natural gas
11:29 PM Jymmm: Tom_L: You just said it... gas, not a liquid fuel like gasoline is
11:31 PM Tom_L: so it must go in the venturi at a pre determined rate
11:32 PM Tom_L: and if you shut off the motor, what stops the flow of propane?
11:33 PM Jymmm: negative pressure
11:33 PM Tom_L: the kits look too simple
11:34 PM Jymmm: watch some videos
11:55 PM Crom: HF say's it shipped.. no tracking number yet
11:56 PM Crom: just ordered 4 3/8 cabide end mills... going to see how fast I can kill them
11:57 PM tiwake: Crom: at least they are cheap
11:57 PM tiwake: did you get them from maritool?
11:57 PM Crom: fleabay...
11:57 PM tiwake: then ultra cheap likely
11:58 PM tiwake: get them from maritool... they are better and fantastically priced
11:58 PM Crom: probably... $13.50 each
11:58 PM Crom: need to get a test indicator as well.. think that'll wait until payday...
11:58 PM tiwake: oooo maritool is selling Orange vices