#linuxcnc Logs

Sep 11 2017

01:02 AM Longbow: morning :-)
01:05 AM Longbow: The speed of travel for the command TOOL_CHANGE_POSITION = XYZ can be adjusted? Default is at maximum
02:17 AM Deejay: moin
03:18 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
03:18 AM XXCoder: hey from ash filled washington
03:18 AM IchGucksLive: still wildfire there
03:19 AM XXCoder: all way down to calfornia, all way up t canada
03:19 AM IchGucksLive: its almost Xmas
03:19 AM XXCoder: for a given value of "almost"
03:39 AM IchGucksLive: im off
05:03 AM jthornton: morning
06:29 AM Tom_L: hello
06:30 AM jthornton: morning
06:35 AM jthornton: what switching transistor do I need to control a 12v relay from a 3.3v i/o
06:36 AM jthornton: ah I found it I think a 1N4148
06:36 AM Tom_L: just about any small signal transistor
06:36 AM Tom_L: that's a diode
06:36 AM sync: yeah any transistor will do
06:36 AM Tom_L: anything 1N is diode
06:36 AM jthornton: oh 2N3904
06:36 AM Tom_L: sounds ok
06:36 AM jthornton: https://i.stack.imgur.com/wvSuY.png
06:36 AM sync: yes
06:36 AM jthornton: looking at sync link from saturday
06:37 AM sync: the diode is there to prevent the transistor and the rest from blowing up
06:37 AM sync: look at the diff-eq of an inductor to figure out why you need the diode there
06:38 AM jthornton: just figured out my 3.3v relays won't work for the motor reversing circuit as they are single pole
06:38 AM Tom_L: you may need to adjust R1 for the 3.3v, they probably figure logic voltage to be 5v
06:38 AM Tom_L: jthornton, i know where you can find some DPDT :)
06:38 AM Tom_L: but they may be 24v coils
06:39 AM sync: yeah, try to shove about 5mA into the base
06:39 AM jthornton: I have some DPST 5v relays now
06:41 AM Tom_L: i used an H11A817C
06:41 AM Tom_L: opto iirc for the 24v ones
06:43 AM Tom_L: wow, they say those are obsolete now..
06:47 AM jthornton: dang I need to organize my electronic goodies... I just found another nodemcu esp8266
06:50 AM jthornton: https://i.stack.imgur.com/oLrBD.png
06:59 AM sync: that is basicaly the same schematic
07:01 AM jthornton: just a different value for R1
07:02 AM sync: yes
07:02 AM sync: as I said, put about 5mA in the base and you will be fine
07:02 AM jthornton: https://www.amazon.com/Eowpower-250PCS-Values-Transistors-Assortment/dp/B071LNGS94
07:02 AM sync: do not just copy a schematic, understand what is happening
07:02 AM jthornton: would something like that be useful?
07:20 AM jthornton: found this explanation http://www.winpicprog.co.uk/pic_tutorial_extras.htm
07:35 AM Phipliv: If you're using a relay board I'm not sure that you need a driver circuit...
07:35 AM Phipliv: duplication of what is there
07:36 AM Phipliv: Good for learning though
07:49 AM IchGucksLive: hi from Germany
07:51 AM IchGucksLive: rainbend after rainbend here
07:51 AM IchGucksLive: bad for gardenwork
07:52 AM IchGucksLive: till later
08:16 AM mtpocketscnc: morning
08:48 AM Tom_L: jthornton, the assortment would be ok. they're just small signal transistors
08:55 AM Tom_L: nothing you couldn't find in tossed electronics
09:00 AM Tom_L: in the first example in your link shows a NPN and the 2nd one shows a PNP transistor example
09:54 AM JT-Shop: I ended up just ordering the 100pcs of npn for $6
10:00 AM HighInBC: useful
10:01 AM HighInBC: I got one of those box sets of 50x 20 types of transistors. Very useful
11:02 AM CaptHindsight: I found a bunch of 5V relay boards on ebay with 1, 2, 4 or 8 relays with relay drivers
11:02 AM CaptHindsight: few $ each
11:03 AM JT-Shop: nice
11:03 AM CaptHindsight: also cheap SSR boards with 5V in
11:04 AM CaptHindsight: handy to drive with dev boards until you get real hardware
11:06 AM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/p/8-Channel-5v-Relay-Shield-Module-Board-Optocoupler-Module-for-Arduino-Arm-AVR/506432267
11:07 AM CaptHindsight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1x-DC-5V-4-Channel-High-Level-Trigger-Solid-State-Relay-Module-Board-Arduino-PIC-/361542209719
11:09 AM CaptHindsight: the 1 or 2 channel versions are ~$2
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: hi from germay
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: someone has seen cmorley resently
12:15 PM phipli: has anyone seen Beachbumpete yet :s
12:15 PM JT-Shop: nope
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: they got no power
12:17 PM roycroft: half of florida has no power
12:18 PM roycroft: well, 1/3 of florida
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: hi karlesomatagente
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: karlesomatagente: how is the cnc in argentina going is it running
12:31 PM JT-Shop: he said he had a generator
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: JT-Shop: shure he has more problems today that connecting irc
12:44 PM Loetmichel2: <- just got asked by his wife to get the tax card from the employer. german IRS is pressing for the tax declaration from last year... so i went int the car, got my jacket out and pulled out a bunch of paper from the inner pocket... sorting it: about a dozen car related invoices (paid), one "yeallo slip" (paid ill at home certificate from the doctor) and all the salary slips from april 2016
12:44 PM Loetmichel2: 'til now... and the LAST bit of the stack of papers in there was a closed envelope with my tax card for 2016 ;)
12:52 PM billykid: hello
12:53 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:53 PM billykid: Pcw is online ?
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: billykid: ;-) hope you stay aloive
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: billykid: yes he is
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: billykid: mabe we all can help just ask
12:55 PM billykid: I talked to him on the forum
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: ok
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: can you post the forum number
12:56 PM billykid: has remained one thing
12:57 PM billykid: 3600 cpr encoder
12:57 PM billykid: will they trouble?
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: they shoudt work
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: whar rpm are you goiing for
12:59 PM billykid: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/27-driver-boards/33261-5i23-two-7i40-7i37#98723
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: are the servos rated 2000 or 3000
01:01 PM billykid: I did the tests at 1024
01:02 PM billykid: since I have to change them to differentiate them
01:02 PM billykid: line driver
01:09 PM pcw_mesa: 3600 PPR should be fine ( 720 KHz oount rate at 3000 RPM )
01:09 PM pcw_mesa: count rate
01:10 PM billykid: hi pcw
01:10 PM billykid: i ordered two 7i40
01:11 PM billykid: then it's okay to even order 3600 cpr encoders
01:13 PM billykid: thanks
01:27 PM IchGucksLive: im off gn8
02:08 PM MrSunshine: https://www.jbcnc.se/images/datasheets/DB25_0-10v.pdf for that kind of breakoutboard ... what kind of sensor can i use ? pnp or npn ? the input signals are shorted to GND when activated
02:17 PM CaptHindsight: MrSunshine: http://www.schneider-electric.co.uk/en/faqs/FA142566/
02:19 PM MrSunshine: CaptHindsight, thanks but im still very confused .. is the board i pasted a sinking or a sourcing input ? ... etc :/
02:19 PM CaptHindsight: MrSunshine: your card posted has SOURCING INPUTS
02:19 PM CaptHindsight: your sensor must pull the source LOW when it activates
02:20 PM CaptHindsight: a switch can do this like in the drawing
02:20 PM MrSunshine: so an npn sensor then to make it work
02:23 PM CaptHindsight: MrSunshine: your card supplies power at the inputs P10 - P15
02:23 PM CaptHindsight: any sensor or switch that pulls that power LOW will work
02:24 PM CaptHindsight: https://automation-insights.blog/2011/01/18/industrial-sensing-fundamentals-%E2%80%93-back-to-the-basics-npn-vs-pnp/
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.more-control.com/blog/post/75/npn-and-pnp-sensor-outputs-finally-explained
02:28 PM CaptHindsight: NPN - sinking, pulls LOW
02:29 PM CaptHindsight: when active
02:30 PM phipli: JT-Shop: are you about?
02:30 PM CaptHindsight: the logic can be inverted, active HIGH, inactive LOW and then you'd change the polarity in the config file (HAL file)
03:27 PM MrSunshine: CaptHindsight, thanks =)
03:36 PM gloops: i thorough inventory of my machine revealed that the apparent backlash on the X is actually a slipping sprocket, also the z axis motor is shockingly misaligned with the screw, amazing the things you had one eye when building never got done
03:41 PM CaptHindsight: sprocket set screws not tight?
03:42 PM CaptHindsight: or inner dia larger than shaft OD?
03:46 PM Sabotend_ is now known as Sabotender
03:47 PM gloops: i put a screw in that i knew was not a good fit, it is only partially in the shaft ( tapped right through the shaft) at the time i thought oh that will do for testing purposes, forgot all about it
03:49 PM gloops: there is also a 12mm locknut on the shaft but that isnt doing much
03:51 PM gloops: when i first tried the machine it was cutting good circles, suddenly i got a couple of quirks on the X line , looking everywhere, checking the ini files the hal files, the cables, finally spotted it
03:56 PM JT-Shop: phipli: am now
04:31 PM Deejay: gn8
04:33 PM CaptHindsight: MrSunshine: no problem, it's all part of the service
04:43 PM jdh: _methods: you flooded?
04:43 PM _methods: not too bad
04:43 PM _methods: power went out a couple times
04:43 PM _methods: but i got it back pretty quick
04:43 PM _methods: it'
04:43 PM jdh: cool
04:43 PM _methods: it's definitely raining though lol
04:44 PM _methods: you getting any of it up there yet?
04:44 PM jdh: just wind. supposed to rain in a bit
04:44 PM _methods: should be cake for you guys lol
04:44 PM _methods: you get blasted all the time
04:45 PM jdh: hope so. hope jose goes elsewhere also
04:45 PM roycroft: our smoke is back
04:45 PM roycroft: so i'm done breathing for a few days
04:45 PM _methods: yeah jose is doing some crazy mexican hat dance out there
04:45 PM CaptHindsight: hold your breath contest winner!
04:45 PM jdh: I'm supposed to be in mt pleasant next weekend
04:45 PM _methods: ah cool
04:45 PM _methods: going diving?
04:46 PM jdh: nah, gravel bike ride in francis marion forest
04:47 PM CaptHindsight: 30 minutes! A new record death for the Harbor Freight $19 cordless "drill" paper weight
04:47 PM CaptHindsight: I noticed that they change model numbers very few months but the guts are all the same
04:47 PM CaptHindsight: very/every
04:48 PM CaptHindsight: I wonder when they will tire of my returns
04:48 PM _methods: ah cool
04:48 PM _methods: you doing the wambaw cycle trails?
04:48 PM jdh: no clue
04:48 PM jdh: https://www.facebook.com/HellholeGravelGrindStageRace
04:49 PM jdh: doing the first day of that
04:49 PM _methods: well cool if you want to meet up for some beers while your down let me know
04:50 PM _methods: i highly recommend swig and swine if you like bbq
04:50 PM jdh: thanks! I'm planning on heading home afterward assuming I can still drive.
04:51 PM _methods: hahah yeah driving home after that might not be fun
05:01 PM Tom_L: beachbumpete has irc on his cell but i wonder if the towers are even working
05:11 PM JT-Shop: yea if they don't have juice they don't work I assume
05:14 PM roycroft: if pete is without power i should imagine his top concern is not getting on irc on his cell phone
05:16 PM JT-Shop: he said he has a generator so as long as he doesn't run out of gas he has power for the basic things
05:17 PM CaptHindsight: anyone in the same situation should probably have some sort of dedicated internet line to be sure they can get on IRC during any type of disaster
05:18 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: what do I need to learn to get a basic pc board made?
05:21 PM roycroft: because his isp is guaranteed to be online
05:35 PM JT-Shop: Pete and family is fine and his cell phone works, he has lost a lot of shingles off the roof and several tree limbs down. He is busy cleaning up now
05:39 PM malcom2073: Good to hear, thanks for the update
05:40 PM JT-Shop: yw
06:00 PM Valen_ is now known as Valen
06:03 PM tits: LOOK AT ALL THE NIGGERS LOOTING IN FLORIDA ROFL!!
06:03 PM tits: JOIN THE DISCUSSION torniggaiaoxhlcl.onion/6667
06:03 PM tits: varesa fltrz samsagaz__ MrSunshine kriskropd Connor Valen MrBismuth Sabotender EntropyWizard ve7it Nick-Shop Roivai SadMan mozmck_lp HSD gregcnc FinboySlick gcardinal Roguish roycroft asdfasd laurent\ Loetmichel2 Crom c-log Timbo Flipp_ Tom_L _1SheYode jcoffland theorbtwo twomoon uwe_ C
06:03 PM tits: aptHindsight RyanS techrat pcw_home MarcelineVQ BubbleRep stustev KimK sumpfralle yasnak Akex_ dr0w tachoknight jelly Magnifikus kengu phiscribe_ jthornton JT-Shop HighInBC tris firephoto arekm Topy44 deawe Simonious a_morale steves_logging archivist_herron malcom2073 Vq Ross tumdedum cradek
06:04 PM JT-Shop: wtf
06:04 PM Ross: pleasant.
06:04 PM MarcelineVQ: Looting is prety unfortunate, if hurricanes would follow their projected paths completely it would reduce a lot of that :(
06:04 PM Valen: dashed inconsiderate of them
06:16 PM tiwake: yasnak: did you die?
06:17 PM tiwake: let me know if you did so I can feel sorry for you
06:33 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, what sort of board?
06:34 PM Tom_L: that's when we need a real OP here
06:35 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, i use eagle
06:35 PM Tom_L: and there are several places you can get one or two offs done
06:36 PM JT-Shop: I want to make a board for chicken coop automation so pretty basic
06:36 PM Tom_L: it's been quite a while since i've done one but i think i can remember how
06:36 PM JT-Shop: some relays and transistors etc
06:36 PM Tom_L: the hard part will be getting the right package footprint for the components
06:37 PM Tom_L: on new stuff i would print it on paper and lay out the stuff to make sure it all fit right
06:37 PM JT-Shop: I'll see if I have eagle on the pc in the beer cave in the am
06:37 PM Tom_L: i've got it if you don't
06:37 PM JT-Shop: ok thanks
06:37 PM Tom_L: you may not like the newer versions, it's changed quite a bit
06:37 PM Tom_L: i still use an old version
06:38 PM Tom_L: some board houses will take the eagle file but some want gerber files
06:38 PM JT-Shop: I'll see what I have or don't have in the morning
06:38 PM Tom_L: so you may want to find gcpreview too. it's free
06:38 PM Tom_L: np
06:39 PM Tom_L: laen is one i've gotten test boards from
06:39 PM JT-Shop: what my thought is to have a reversing relay build into the board as well as some gp relays with 3.3 and 5v selectable inputs
06:39 PM Tom_L: in fact i think those cap boards on my supply came from him
06:41 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/caps2.jpg
06:41 PM Tom_L: yeah i think he did those
06:43 PM JT-Shop: is he in the US?
06:43 PM Tom_L: yeah
06:43 PM Tom_L: only thing i don't like is he has a purple mask :)
06:44 PM JT-Shop: when you get a chance give me the link
06:44 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/boards/atmega32u4/atmega32U4_3.jpg
06:44 PM Tom_L: those were when he was still getting the color right
06:44 PM Tom_L: actually are more brown
06:45 PM Tom_L: i don't actually have a link for him
06:45 PM Tom_L: i always dealt with him dirctly
06:45 PM JT-Shop: I don't think color matters for chickens :)
06:45 PM Tom_L: i'll see if i can remember it
06:45 PM Tom_L: heh no
06:45 PM JT-Shop: ok
06:45 PM Tom_L: it was before he had a website even...
06:45 PM Tom_L: or #hackvanna does them too
06:46 PM Tom_L: mitch
06:46 PM Tom_L: is his name
06:46 PM Tom_L: those come from china though
06:46 PM Tom_L: https://oshpark.com/
06:47 PM Tom_L: $2/sq in
06:47 PM Tom_L: 3 boards returned
06:47 PM JT-Shop: thanks
06:48 PM Tom_L: i've never used his site
06:48 PM * JT-Shop heads inside now to chill
06:48 PM Tom_L: but that's the color boards you'll get
06:49 PM Tom_L: good thing is you can send him the eagle .brd file
06:49 PM Tom_L: and not have to worry about gerber files
06:49 PM Tom_L: which include 5-6 files iirc
07:41 PM Cromaglious_: Just receiver my LMS order. TTS 3/4 R8 Collet, 2 ER16 TTS holders, Belt conversion for Mini Mill 44991 included.
07:43 PM Cromaglious_: Also received my Shars order BXA tool post, plus holders, plus 3 parting blades., Recieved 5 other orders. Grizzly 20 piece brazed on carbide set, 5 piece indexable 1/2", 4 piece 5/8 holders with insets., boring brazed on Carbide bar set, 1/2 boring bar with 10 inserts.
07:45 PM Cromaglious_: now to get a selection of end mills upto 3/8 diameter shafts.
08:02 PM Frank_10: #on a plane to NY
08:02 PM Frank_10: anyone had experience with whiteside bits?
08:15 PM roycroft: i use whiteside router bits as much as possible
08:15 PM roycroft: they are the best
08:15 PM roycroft: and they are made in usa
08:15 PM roycroft: small, family business
09:20 PM CaptHindsight: "the supreme router bit" :)
10:04 PM roycroft: i just know that they work really well
10:05 PM sanders is now known as karlesomatagente
10:05 PM roycroft: i'm not much into supremacy
10:05 PM roycroft: so i wouldn't know about that part
10:07 PM karlesomatagente: hi
10:08 PM karlesomatagente: i need some orientation with open source hardware. I am working on a paper for school about the similarities and differences between open source software and hardware
10:11 PM Tom_L: hey Beachbumpete got power back?
10:18 PM Valen: karlesomatagente: they seem very different beasts
10:19 PM Valen: it seems pretty rare to have more than one vendor of open source hardware
10:19 PM Valen: though the vesc is an interesting case there
10:19 PM Valen: but it's more the chinese clones aren't reverse engineered perhaps than anything else
10:26 PM Beachbumpete: Tom no my area is still without power
10:26 PM Beachbumpete: We are running my new generator and using a portable air conditioning unit
10:27 PM Beachbumpete: Sitting here watching the goonies on DVD ;)
10:27 PM Beachbumpete: Just went out for ice cream but only places open was McDonald's and some larger gas stations altho they apparently were out of gas
10:29 PM * Valen is looking at getting a generator, any advice?
10:29 PM Valen: want it for backup power through the peak of summer here and perhaps the occasional storm
10:30 PM Beachbumpete: Dunno man I just bought what I could afford for the storm.
10:30 PM Valen: (gotta keep the AC running for one of our dogs, it hits 48C (~120F) here sometimes)
10:30 PM Beachbumpete: Its a 4500 watt 6.5hp portable unit
10:31 PM Valen: petrol or diesel?
10:31 PM Beachbumpete: Gas
10:31 PM Beachbumpete: It has four single phase outputs and a 12v dc output
10:31 PM Valen: I like that you can store diesel for ages, but I have nothing else that runs on it so cycling it could be a bit of a challenge
10:32 PM Beachbumpete: Its working good so far has run for a full day now
10:32 PM Valen: noisy much?
10:32 PM Valen: missus is a bit worried if we have a generator with the lights on and nobody else does we might become a target
10:33 PM Beachbumpete: My personal portable AC unit stopped working so I was able to borrow one from a friend at work who did not lose power.
10:33 PM Beachbumpete: It is actually less noisy than the one we had borrowed last year for hurricane matthew
10:34 PM Beachbumpete: Its sitting outside the back door in our fenced in yard.
10:37 PM CaptHindsight: Beachbumpete: do you have natural gas at your house and is it still on?
10:37 PM Beachbumpete: Nope no gas don't really care for it
10:38 PM CaptHindsight: being this far north it's pretty much required so we used to have natural gas backup generators
10:39 PM CaptHindsight: and the gas supply would generally keep going during any blackouts
10:39 PM Beachbumpete: It would be nice to have a whole house backup generator set but they are quite expensive
10:39 PM Tom_L: Valen, mine is OHC 5500 i think
10:39 PM Tom_L: maybe 8k surge
10:39 PM Tom_L: err OHV sry
10:40 PM CaptHindsight: Beachbumpete: we used to get free generators by pulling out units from the telephone co
10:40 PM Tom_L: i wouldn't get one with a cheap briggs motor, they won't last
10:40 PM Valen: I was thinking something like this https://www.edisons.com.au/7-000w-three-phase-diesel-generator-txs14000d-series-iii/
10:40 PM CaptHindsight: they would replace them every 5-6 years just like the AC units at cell towers
10:41 PM Tom_L: that's a little larger than mine
10:41 PM Tom_L: you don't really need to run the whole house in a crisis
10:42 PM Tom_L: although my friend has a 15kw propane powered one
10:42 PM Valen: I figure it gives head room, down the track we might go solar + battery eventually then the generator would get used more often to top up after cloudy weeks
10:43 PM Beachbumpete: It would sure be nice to be able to run the house AC unit
10:43 PM Valen: I spose also the smaller ones aren't much cheaper https://www.edisons.com.au/power-generation/generators/
10:43 PM Valen: yeah we are getting ducted air soon hopefully so I'd like to be able to run that
10:43 PM Tom_L: Beachbumpete we had one outtage that lasted almost 2 weeks during which i stopped the gen and changed the oil in it once
10:44 PM Tom_L: the portable gens aren't large enough to run the central AC
10:45 PM Tom_L: it will run a stove burner but not a whole stove
10:45 PM Tom_L: our outtages have usually been due to ice storms so keeping cool hasn't been an issue here
10:45 PM Beachbumpete: Just checked the oil in it
10:46 PM Beachbumpete: Last year we had no power for almost a week
10:46 PM Tom_L: i'd change it once especially since it's new
10:47 PM Beachbumpete: Might do that maybe tomorrow
10:47 PM Beachbumpete: Out of work for tomorrow too the entire island is without power apparently
10:49 PM Tom_L: i keep mine full of fuel too and cycle it out once a year in the cars
10:49 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/15-KW-Military-Generator-3-ph-208-120-GM-Diesel/152676540276
10:49 PM CaptHindsight: $2k or best
10:50 PM CaptHindsight: archivist has/had one for sale but he's on the other side of the pond
10:51 PM Tom_L: probably used alot
10:51 PM Tom_L: the one my friend got was 'low mileage' as it came from a supermarket
10:52 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/FERMONT-10KW-MILITARY-DIESEL-GENERATOR-120-240-60HZ-1-3-PHASE-NO-RESERVE-/192299914911
10:54 PM CaptHindsight: I used to but the generator coils from a source nearby for ~$1k/10kw and use small block chevy engines to drive them
10:55 PM CaptHindsight: I can't find the link to the bellhousing adapter
10:57 PM Crom_: I have a 6.5KW 10hp China Diesel Genset
11:00 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight just use a wheel adapter and use it like a PTO :)
11:00 PM Tom_L: jack one wheel up
11:02 PM Crom_: My pops would cut down a frontwheel drive CV axle to make the transfer shaft between the engine and the generator
11:03 PM Crom_: Turned a CAT 238 throwaway into a 20kw generator when we were in Malaysia..
11:04 PM Crom_: Engine was off a trash pump that blew up the pump...
11:05 PM CaptHindsight: https://s2.studylib.net/store/data/018160097_1-5a9e7286f39786fa44b007cff77dd77d.png
11:05 PM CaptHindsight: single bearing in the back
11:05 PM CaptHindsight: flex plate in the front
11:05 PM Crom_: scary
11:07 PM CaptHindsight: heh, like a big induction motor with support at only one end
11:07 PM Crom_: Just wonder how much wear is on the rear babbitt bearing with no oil on start up on the rear main bearing of the engine.
11:08 PM Crom_: with a pre oiler I'd have no problems doing it...
11:09 PM CaptHindsight: haven't had a call back about it in >25 years
11:12 PM Beachbumpete: I know I am definitely not the only one without power but I would sure appreciate it if it came on sometime during the night tonight.
11:15 PM Beachbumpete: Gn8 folks
11:16 PM Crom_: HAHAHA... Flite test made a flying mailbox... tooo funny..