#linuxcnc Logs

Sep 04 2017

01:27 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
01:37 AM IchGucksLive: till later
02:00 AM Vq: Morning from Kalmar
02:34 AM Deejay: moin
02:35 AM XXCoder: pre-morning from usa
02:44 AM Deejay: sleep well ;)
02:51 AM XXCoder: lol
03:02 AM Vq: XXCoder: Night-shift?
03:03 AM XXCoder: I work 3:15 pm to 1:45 am
03:05 AM Wolf__: no excuse here, I’m just up way to late...
03:06 AM archivist: WAKE UP
03:07 AM Wolf__: meh, no fun, I’m dreaming about all this stuff I’m getting lol
03:08 AM archivist: I went and collected yesterday :)
03:08 AM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/tGEs5nWl.jpg I had to stop in for a little bit
03:08 AM archivist: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Coventry-Gauge-Tool-Co-Bench-Micrometer-Imperial-Scale-1-in-1000ths/122660466677
03:09 AM XXCoder: more micrometer
03:09 AM Wolf__: nice score
03:09 AM XXCoder: looks pretty cool.
03:09 AM archivist: seems to measure ok
03:10 AM XXCoder: hats usual going price for those
03:10 AM archivist: sellers try to get 100's for a while, then I snaffle for about 20
03:11 AM Wolf__: messed up part of that pic of all the AxA holders is that I found about 6 more in his garage…
03:11 AM archivist: that seller did not assemble or clean the rust so he had no chance of getting the 125 he started at
03:12 AM archivist: those holders sure do make a difference
03:12 AM XXCoder: heh some people think their thing is 99% orginial price value even when abused.
03:12 AM XXCoder: I saw one guy attempting to sell starret mic, it had chips on it, olviously dropped into concerete, picture is of it laying on driveway concerete
03:12 AM Wolf__: all aloris, I found one phaseII in the garage, and 2 micrometer carriage stops
03:12 AM XXCoder: yeah no sale for me
03:13 AM archivist: the fun of restoring and testing old gear is what I am after
03:13 AM Wolf__: and a tail stock turrent
03:13 AM XXCoder: I got lucky with finding 1950s starret mic and later QA engraved starret mic. :)
03:14 AM Wolf__: I have tools on my bench that I use that are probably pre 1900 lol
03:14 AM XXCoder: latter looks new, though made in 1980s
03:15 AM Wolf__: I am very happy that he had the manuals for the lathe and mill, makes my life so much easier
03:15 AM archivist: Wolf__, have you tidied up a clean place to put it all!
03:15 AM XXCoder: I bet, wolf! sometimes manuals is nigh-impossible to find
03:16 AM Wolf__: no, moving won’t start till late october
03:16 AM Wolf__: I have a temp place to put them tho
03:16 AM archivist: spent the last week tidying my garage a bit
03:16 AM Wolf__: I may need to build a new garage on to my house
03:16 AM Wolf__: with climate control
03:17 AM archivist: I moved the bench centers into the garage
03:17 AM XXCoder: I was wondering how to control air quality and humdity in shop
03:17 AM Wolf__: my answer is add insulated garage + Mr Slim unit to it
03:17 AM archivist: air con that heats and cools for temp
03:18 AM XXCoder: cool
03:18 AM SpeedEvil: archivist: and (de)humidifies
03:18 AM Wolf__: going to add 2 car garage to the back of my house and then temp wall off one of the garage bays
03:20 AM Wolf__: one funny thing I noticed, this damn lathe manual doesn’t state anywhere in it what the cam lock is
03:21 AM archivist: could be their own spec
03:21 AM archivist: customer lock in
03:21 AM Wolf__: looks like a D1-3
03:22 AM Wolf__: its a Emco name plated lathe, DSL-1237GH Dar Sun
03:22 AM Wolf__: Enco*
03:25 AM Wolf__: not too worried tho, has a C5 collet adapter and closer with it, and 2 3jaw, 1 4jaw and a dog driver face plate
03:35 AM archivist: that reminds me, need to make a backplate to fit a faceplate to the southbend
05:14 AM jthornton: morning
05:20 AM Deejay: hi
05:21 AM jthornton: hows it going on that side of the pond
07:17 AM Longbow: hello
07:17 AM Longbow: anyone got the spindle ORIENT going? :)
07:26 AM Longbow: Whan I call "M19 180" I got an error: M code greater than 199
07:26 AM jthornton: you forgot a letter
07:27 AM Longbow: a letter?
07:28 AM Longbow: I see
07:28 AM Longbow: thanks!
07:28 AM Longbow: M19 R180 :)
07:35 AM Longbow: it kinda works BUT the encoder.N.position gives out negative float
07:35 AM Longbow: regardless of the direction of rotation
07:36 AM Longbow: should I use encoder.scale - ?
08:31 AM Tom_L: morning
08:32 AM Tom_L: Longbow use direction
08:33 AM Tom_L: feed it thru abs comp
08:36 AM Tom_L: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/orient.svg
08:36 AM Tom_L: use that as a wiring guide
08:37 AM JT-Shop: morning Tom
08:38 AM Tom_L: what's up this morning?
08:39 AM Tom_L: i was looking over my board situation, turns out my i5 is 6th gen not 7
08:39 AM Tom_L: i wonder if win7 will run on a gen 7 processor
08:40 AM Tom_L: they've been taking control of too many things lately
08:42 AM JT-Shop: putting in fence posts till it gets too hot
08:49 AM Tom_L: there was a guy here last night having issues getting his inputs working on the 5i25 7i76 combination
08:49 AM Tom_L: i'm not familiar with the card so i was kinda guessing to help him
08:50 AM Tom_L: i'm sure he'll be back today
09:16 AM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/configs/7i77.html
09:18 AM Tom_L: i think he has it wired ok but it's not working
09:18 AM Tom_L: dmesg gave an error on his input line
09:20 AM Tom_L: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/3278/7i76_Anschluss.pdf
09:20 AM Tom_L: he's using that as a guide
09:20 AM Tom_L: different interface but the io section looks the same
09:26 AM Tom_L: i wonder if his field power comes up first
09:27 AM JT-Shop: I thought you said a 5i25/7i76?
09:27 AM Tom_L: i did
09:27 AM Tom_L: he's using that pdf as a guide
09:28 AM Tom_L: the IO section looks identical
09:29 AM Tom_L: trying to figure out how to route my week between all the road construction and bridges out...
09:29 AM Tom_L: what a pita
09:29 AM * JT-Shop goes to pour some concrete
10:02 AM JT-Shop: who made the 7i76e pdf?
10:06 AM Tom_L: kb8wmc: I took a look at a schematic put together by the man who developed gmoccapy
10:06 AM Tom_L: kb8wmc: it is on the forums in the driver category
10:09 AM Tom_L: he's putting together a plasma table btw
10:12 AM Tom_L: kb8wmc: I have build almost a dozen other types of cnc machines over the years, but this is the first time using Mesa boards...
10:22 AM SpeedEvil: First start with a regular table, and heat to 7000C
10:51 AM BeachBumPete: Happy Labor day everyone!! ;)
10:55 AM Tom_L: what's up?
11:05 AM BeachBumPete: hey Tom
11:05 AM BeachBumPete: howzitgoin?
11:06 AM Tom_L: just bein lazy
11:06 AM Tom_L: what i excel at
11:06 AM BeachBumPete: heh me too
11:07 AM BeachBumPete: my brother came over yesterday
11:07 AM BeachBumPete: he bought this commercial walking foot sewing machine
11:07 AM BeachBumPete: it is an old singer model
11:07 AM BeachBumPete: when he bought it the thing worked
11:07 AM BeachBumPete: but he decided to take it all apart and clean/adjust/repaint it
11:07 AM Tom_L: woops
11:08 AM _methods: oh god
11:08 AM _methods: not a good idea unless you know what you're doing
11:08 AM BeachBumPete: then he realized there was a hardened and I MEAN hardened setscrew in the middle of the main shaft
11:08 AM BeachBumPete: that runs thru the top arm
11:08 AM _methods: you have to get the timing set right too
11:08 AM BeachBumPete: He brought it over because he needed me to help him remove it
11:08 AM BeachBumPete: HOLY CRAP
11:08 AM BeachBumPete: that thing was REALLY stuck in there
11:09 AM BeachBumPete: I actually drilled it out with an 1/8 endmill all the way thru
11:09 AM _methods: the machining in these pieces of those sewing machines are awesome
11:09 AM Tom_L: maybe it wasn't meant to be removed?
11:09 AM BeachBumPete: it STILL would not come out
11:09 AM BeachBumPete: so we wound up just cutting the damn shaft and he is ordering a new one for it from some sewing shop
11:10 AM BeachBumPete: even after we cut the damn thing I had trouble getting the parts off of it even in my press
11:10 AM BeachBumPete: difficult shapes, hard to hold onto etc
11:10 AM BeachBumPete: but we finally got everything out
11:10 AM BeachBumPete: I felt bad that I could not get the shaft out without cutting it so I gave him $50 to buy the new one
11:11 AM BeachBumPete: so now he is happy and can bead blast and repaint this thing to look all nice and new
11:11 AM BeachBumPete: who knows if he will ever be able to get the damn thing back together and working again tho LOL
11:11 AM BeachBumPete: talk about a complex machine
11:11 AM Tom_L: wonder if manuals are available for it
11:12 AM BeachBumPete: oh yeah it is a fairly common commercial machine apparently
11:12 AM BeachBumPete: a good working one in nice shape is worth a grand or more apparenlty
11:12 AM BeachBumPete: he bought this one for like $360
11:12 AM BeachBumPete: I figure maybe if I can get it working for him maybe he will help me with upholstery stuff when I need it ;)
11:14 AM BeachBumPete: I have been fairly seriously looking into starting a long term build on a custom reverse trike like the Campagna T-rex
11:14 AM BeachBumPete: there are many designs online out there you can look at
11:14 AM Tom_L: a friend here worked on a design for years
11:14 AM BeachBumPete: its not hugely complicated really except for the front suspension setup
11:14 AM Tom_L: i don't think he's ever finished it
11:14 AM BeachBumPete: you can actually buy plans for them
11:15 AM Tom_L: not when he was doing it
11:15 AM BeachBumPete: I still have my tubing roller
11:15 AM BeachBumPete: but I sold that tubing bender I built so I would have to buy or build another one
11:16 AM BeachBumPete: was surprised to see that there are several reengineered copies of them on grabcad
11:17 AM * Loetmichel noticed today that simple workshop paper towels are nearly as good as Vilmill vacuum felt to hold sheet metal in place on the Vacuum table on the gantry router. for a very small part of the vilmill price ;)
11:18 AM BeachBumPete: have you guys ever opened a Solidworks part in fusion360
11:19 AM Tom_L: no
11:20 AM Tom_L: you may have to export a different format
11:20 AM BeachBumPete: holy crap it worked
11:23 AM BeachBumPete: very nice man
11:26 AM JT-Shop: yea a cold front is coming through tonight
11:30 AM Tom_L: fairly nice out here right now
11:34 AM JT-Shop: hot and muggy here
11:34 AM Tom_L: c'mon over
11:34 AM JT-Shop: that would be better than putting up a chain link fence
11:34 AM Tom_L: oh i'm sure of that
11:45 AM JT-Shop: it's going to be so much nicer with a 5' chain link fence around the coop
11:52 AM Tom_L: had any more critters come sniffing around?
11:53 AM JT-Shop: coyote ran across neighbors yard this morning, possum last night
12:51 PM IchGucksLive: hi
01:10 PM Loetmichel: JT-Shop: can coyotes be house trained?
01:12 PM CaptHindsight: Loetmichel: does this look house trainable? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R66Fvhx0vQ
01:13 PM Loetmichel: Wile E.coyote? why not?
01:14 PM Loetmichel: if you have enough roadrunners to feed to him?
01:15 PM CaptHindsight: Loetmichel: did any of the old US cartoons ever become popular there?
01:20 PM CaptHindsight: Three phase explained https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnH_ifcRJq4
01:20 PM CaptHindsight: if it was a liquid
01:21 PM JT-Shop: Loetmichel: yes but a house trained fox rug looks better
01:24 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: i would think all of them
01:25 PM phipli: evening
01:49 PM JT-Shop: hey
02:08 PM tumdedum_ is now known as tumdedum
02:10 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
02:13 PM nallar is now known as Ross
03:44 PM phipli: hum
03:44 PM phipli: well, my old school seems to have been buying kit
03:44 PM phipli: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeLiHfcWEAAT7bN.jpg
03:45 PM phipli: only the woodworking lathe was there when I was in school
03:45 PM phipli: I think there was a metalworking lathe, but it was in the restricted / off limits area
03:45 PM phipli: They also seem to have various CNC stuff
03:46 PM phipli: judging by some of the stuff kids are making they must have a laser capable of cutting at least 2mm ply
03:46 PM phipli: No fair, why didn't I get to play with such things
04:01 PM JT-Shop: all I had was a hammer and chisel...
04:02 PM gloops: we had a few harrison and boxford lathes, tbh they didnt give a toss what we did on them lol
04:03 PM gloops: nobody ever used the wood lathe, only the teacher, it was in his little private area
04:08 PM phipli: We had a good tech department, but there was a bit of a war going on between two of the teachers at the time
04:08 PM phipli: and they were better at the practical than the academic side
04:09 PM phipli: we were completely unprepared for the tests... but...
04:09 PM phipli: made a solar water heater
04:09 PM phipli: and an analogue interface for a computer with a load of sensors you could plug in
04:09 PM phipli: and that is what counts
04:10 PM phipli: Physics teacher was awesome too. She was from a family of engineers - her father worked in a chocolate factory designing the machines
04:12 PM Wolf__: well, semi productive day, figure out that the power feed on my future mill isn’t working because the 220 step down to 110v transformer is dead
04:13 PM gloops: well unfortunately our metalwork teacher was a dead ringer for the mass murderer peter sutcliffe, so the whole thing was total farce
04:14 PM phipli: Wolf__: not too difficult to replace?
04:14 PM Wolf__: easy fix
04:14 PM phipli: gloops: at least it wasn't actually Peter Sutcliffe
04:14 PM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/SQsvjO6.jpg
04:16 PM gloops: phipli the real sutcliffe probably had an easier life in jail com[ared to the constant jibes from young lads that teacher had to endure
04:20 PM Wolf__: now, bad thing, damn lathe only has 30t and 46t gears with it =/
04:21 PM Wolf__: missing 2x 40t and 32t
04:22 PM gloops: well, providing not an unusual pitch or spindle fitting, should be able to spot those on ebay or some where
04:23 PM phipli: gloops: Kids are evil bastards
04:25 PM Wolf__: I need a gear gauge lol
04:25 PM Wolf__: something grizzly sells probably uses the same gears
04:28 PM gloops: whats the makers name of the lathe Wolf?
04:28 PM Wolf__: enco/dar sin cira 1980’s
04:28 PM Wolf__: tiawan made
04:29 PM Wolf__: its a DSL-1237GH
04:31 PM andypugh: Wolf_: What is the overall diameter of the 46t gear?
04:31 PM Wolf__: doh, I didn’t check that
04:31 PM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/NqYy89o.jpg looks to be about <~ that big
04:32 PM andypugh: If you measure it i can tell you what specification it is.
04:32 PM Wolf__: 1.365” 35mm spindle bore
04:33 PM Wolf__: which looks close to the same size at that 30t
04:33 PM Wolf__: really the gear setup looks the same as my friends Jet-1240PH
04:34 PM andypugh: At some point I would need the span over 4 teeth to be able to tell you the pressure angle. You won’t get that from the photo,
04:34 PM Wolf__: its probably a common type
04:35 PM gloops: pretty expensive lol http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Enco-Lathe-Metric-Change-Gear-Set-25-26-43-46-47-60-Tooth-/253098738326?hash=item3aeddc4296:g:8hEAAOSwc~BZio40
04:35 PM Wolf__: wrong lathe type
04:35 PM Wolf__: this one only uses a 30t, 32t, 40t 40t and 46t
04:35 PM Deejay: gn8
04:36 PM andypugh: If it is 38.4mm OD then it is probably 0.8 Module. And almost certainly 20 degrees pressure angle.
04:37 PM gloops: well if you are looking for change gears it only has to be same pitch and similar bore, you can always sleeve one from another maker if they are rare
04:37 PM Wolf__: well, all the taiwan lathes seems to use common parts (least looking at them anyways)
04:37 PM gloops: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Colchester-Bantam-Lathe-change-gears-3-x-for-less-than-40-to-clear-/192294915139?hash=item2cc5ab8c43:g:CFoAAOSw9ytZmsv-
04:37 PM Wolf__: so I might be able to use ones off the grizzly
04:37 PM gloops: much cheaper for english lathes
04:38 PM andypugh: http://www.hpcgears.com/pdf_c33/23.20-23.25.pdf
04:40 PM gloops: http://www.lathes.co.uk/taiwan/
04:40 PM * JT-Shop is now qualified to install chain link fence in Ripley county
04:40 PM Wolf__: lol
04:40 PM JT-Shop: I don't live in Ripley county...
04:42 PM Wolf__: I’ll pull one of the gears thursday when I’m over there and get the specs
04:45 PM andypugh: Wolf__: Here is a spreadsheet that I made that should help you identify the gears from measurments.
04:45 PM andypugh: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_I5LGzEBaRcZFamOKsH1bFi3n1_P85J0qZEqkxUOhQ4/edit?usp=sharing
04:46 PM Wolf__: if I can figure it out =) thanks lol
04:46 PM andypugh: Fiddle with the mod (or DP) numbers until you get the OD, then adjust the pressure angle (14.5 or 20 degrees) until the span over the teeth matches. You _might_ need to put in a profile shift, but probably not on a 46T gear.
04:58 PM phipli: Wheelwright's shops must have been really dangerous fire wise - with the mix of smithing and sawdust
05:05 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, do you need water cooler for that processor
05:14 PM andypugh: phipli: Talking of which, I wonder what this will fetch? http://bid.aumannauctions.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/15929/lot/2193432/?url=%2Fview-auctions%2Fcatalog%2Fid%2F15929%3Fpage%3D2
05:16 PM andypugh: Though I would prefer this, it’s lovely, and 4WD and solid tyres and from soewhere around 1910: https://www.alcopa-auction.fr/voiture-occasion/renault/tracteur-d-artillerie-lourde-type-plaque-eg-60695
05:18 PM phipli: :)
05:18 PM phipli: thinking of bidding for either of them?
05:18 PM phipli: or just looking
05:18 PM phipli: Is the Renault EFI?
05:18 PM phipli: :)
05:37 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: no, I just have this monster cooler lol https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005O65JXI
05:38 PM JT-Shop: phipli: the chicks just hop and fly all over us now I feel like captain kidd when they fly up to my shoulder
05:39 PM JT-Shop: I'm still just amazed at the difference in the chicks and how they react to me using the side entrance
05:40 PM phipli: :)
05:40 PM phipli: wish our new ones were a bit more friendly
05:40 PM phipli: Perhaps I'll build a second run
05:41 PM phipli: so I can separate them
05:41 PM phipli: I can't spoil the new ones to build their trust because the older ones come charging over and run them off
05:43 PM JT-Shop: yea if you can separate them maybe you can build their trust, anything that spoils the moment is bad
05:45 PM andypugh: At a pirate-themed party I was at weekend afore last there were some folk dressed as parrots, with small pirats on their shoulders. I liked that.
05:45 PM JT-Shop: lol
05:46 PM JT-Shop: trying to get them all used to being picked up, some take to it straight away some are a bit nervous... if I see their wings move I just hold them and don't pick their feet off the brooder
05:47 PM JT-Shop: seems to help
05:50 PM kb8wmc: JT-Shop: I have some questions on pin connections 5i25/7i76, if you have some time
05:50 PM Loetmichel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAX_ZhjJnwg <- *gasps for air* thats literally the first time i laughed out loud for an entire youtube video... and i found myself in every scene... best one is doug of course "grinder and paint makes you the welder you aint" ;) (just found it in my "recommended")
05:51 PM JT-Shop: I'm in and out so shoot
05:51 PM MarcelineVQ: Loetmichel: haha
05:52 PM Loetmichel: my wife just came over from the bedroom: "everythign alright? i heard you giggling, then coughing and gasping!"
05:53 PM kb8wmc: ok, tnx...attempting to connect up motor and limit switch for testing....motor works just fine...getting error with limit switch, as if it is not functional...switch checks out with multimeter
05:55 PM kb8wmc: we are using you hal and ini configuration for plasma table
05:55 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, kb8wmc is building the plasma..
05:55 PM kb8wmc: hey there Tom
05:55 PM Tom_L: hi
05:55 PM JT-Shop: what is the exact error
05:56 PM kb8wmc: I will get it
05:56 PM Tom_L: a dmesg dump may help
05:57 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop does that mb take the standard 24 & 4 power plugs?
05:58 PM kb8wmc: ./plasma.hal:104: Pin 'parport.0.pin-in-10-not' does not exist
05:59 PM Tom_L: kb8wmc, do you have field power on before you start the cards up?
05:59 PM Tom_L: you will need to do that i believe
05:59 PM kb8wmc: no
05:59 PM Tom_L: that may be the problem
05:59 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop shared a link about that earlier
05:59 PM kb8wmc: hmmmm....I didn't realize that..
06:00 PM Tom_L: i did but i forgot about it since i don't use those
06:00 PM Tom_L: http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/configs/7i77.html
06:01 PM kb8wmc: let me try that...I have the other computer sitting right next to me
06:01 PM Tom_L: your motor works though right?
06:02 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: yes
06:02 PM Tom_L: yes about the plugs?
06:02 PM andypugh: Loetmichel: The worst sunburn I ever had was brazing a 3-man tandem frame with a carbon-arc torch in a T-shirt. It was about 3 hours, probably equivalent to a mile from Ground-Zero :-)
06:02 PM JT-Shop: kb8wmc: that is a parport pin are you loading the parallel port driver?
06:03 PM kb8wmc: let me look at hal
06:03 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, he has a switch connected to input 4 on the 7i76
06:03 PM * JT-Shop goes back to packing orders to ship tomorrow
06:03 PM kb8wmc: yes....on 0x278
06:04 PM Loetmichel: andypugh: the worst i ever had was welding a 12 year opd VW rabbit (first model) bottom panels. from the side. without a shield, just the green glass in my naked hands to shield the eyes ;)
06:05 PM andypugh: Trust me, carbon arc brazing is a _lot_ more UV
06:06 PM andypugh: But I guess you got your face, I just needed to wait for new arm skin
06:07 PM kb8wmc: ./plasma.hal:127: Pin 'hm2_5125.0.7i76.0.0.input-04' does not exist
06:07 PM Loetmichel: andypugh: close second was the time when i adjusted the "skyhawk" lamps at the stage rental
06:07 PM JT-Shop: kb8wmc: which error is it?
06:07 PM Loetmichel: 2.5kw MSR
06:07 PM kb8wmc: I commented out the parport section to load the estop above
06:07 PM kb8wmc: and this is the one for the limit switch
06:08 PM Loetmichel: screwdriver in the microswitch of the enclosure and "just a few minutes to adjust the mirrors inside"
06:08 PM Loetmichel: ... THAT was a nice sundburn ALL over...
06:08 PM JT-Shop: kb8wmc: get a list of the pins http://www.mesaus.com/info/mesa-pins.txt
06:08 PM Loetmichel: -d
06:08 PM gloops: carbon arc brazing, they used to supply that kit with 140 amp welders
06:08 PM andypugh: I was a student at the time, it was a long time ago. I learned something. When you are a student that’s your _point_
06:08 PM skunkworks: Worst I had - dad was using an arc welder to cut some old farm machinery apart. I must have been looking at it off and on.
06:09 PM Loetmichel: skunkworks: "sandpaper under the eyelids"?
06:09 PM skunkworks: woke up in the middle of the night with arc eye. Couldn;t open them - then once I got them open I couldn't close them. worse feeling ever
06:09 PM skunkworks: I was probably 13 or so
06:09 PM Loetmichel: i know that feeling
06:09 PM andypugh: Yeah, I should consider carbon-arc brazing rods again, I had forgotten them. They work.
06:09 PM Loetmichel: had that often back in the stick welding times ;)
06:10 PM andypugh: _never_ had arc-eye. Glad about that.
06:10 PM Loetmichel: andypugh: WHY in times of TIG welding/brazing
06:10 PM gloops: you could also get a thermic lance for a small welder, serious cutting potential
06:11 PM Loetmichel: andypugh: back when i was stick welding with a big hunk of transformer i was to lazy to get the shield so i looked at the work and my stick, closed the eyes and started welding a few inches, then stopping, looking at what i have done... repeat...
06:12 PM Loetmichel: and often the sequence of closing eyes, start arc, stop arc, open eyes got a bit interchanged ;)
06:15 PM kb8wmc: I have screen list of pins, not text file
06:18 PM Tom_L: kb8wmc you're better off here as that is the developer channel
06:19 PM kb8wmc: yes, I made a mistake
06:19 PM kb8wmc: sorry bout that
06:19 PM Tom_L: they won't skin ya
06:19 PM kb8wmc: yeah, I know
06:21 PM phipli: Loetmichel: I hear tell that isn't great on your eyes
06:21 PM phipli: the UV goes through the lids
06:21 PM phipli: might be nonsense...
06:21 PM Loetmichel: phipli: it isnt. at all
06:21 PM Loetmichel: still i was young and careless
06:22 PM phipli: but my dad got cataracts, probably from welding
06:22 PM phipli: yeah
06:22 PM phipli: I think he used to weld with his eyes shut when there wasn't much to do
06:22 PM Loetmichel: ... not that now that i am nearing 50 i am less careless... but i DO use a shield some more ;)
06:22 PM phipli: "I'll tack it before I fetch the shield
06:23 PM Loetmichel: yeah
06:23 PM phipli: my dad's mid 60s and has regrets
06:23 PM phipli: between his back and his eyes...
06:23 PM Loetmichel: my back's still good. eyes could be better
06:23 PM phipli: between his back and his eyes... :)
06:24 PM Loetmichel: ... if you ignore the creaking noises when i lift something heavy ;)
06:24 PM phipli: "son, always wear googles because it is really difficult to drive to hospital when you've got swarf in your eye"
06:24 PM phipli: sort of thing
06:25 PM phipli: he's got a slipped disk / trapped nerve
06:25 PM Loetmichel: phipli: you mean like this? wasnt a problem to drive to the doc at all... i have two eyes... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=10351&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
06:25 PM phipli: figures it is from lifting combine spares
06:25 PM Loetmichel: wasnt swarf though, just a grain from a cutting disk.
06:26 PM phipli: I got my eyes closed just fast enough for the piece of red hot milling swarf to burn onto the edge of my eyelid
06:26 PM Loetmichel: ... melted right in
06:26 PM phipli: that f***ing hurt
06:26 PM Loetmichel: yeah, it does
06:26 PM phipli: I'd have got it straight in the eye if the glow heading my way hadn't made me blink
06:27 PM phipli: anyway
06:27 PM Loetmichel: <- wears glasses
06:27 PM Loetmichel: it found it way around
06:27 PM * phipli wears glasses too... now
06:27 PM phipli: I was 16 at the time
06:27 PM phipli: ie, stupid
06:27 PM Loetmichel: i wear glasses since i am six
06:27 PM phipli: I usually would, don't know why I wasn't
06:27 PM phipli: anyhow
06:28 PM phipli: sleep times :)
06:28 PM phipli: night folks
06:28 PM DaViruz: do not look into laser with remaining eye!
06:28 PM phipli: ah right, you mean glasses glasses, not safety glasses - gotcha :)
06:29 PM phipli: nn
06:29 PM Loetmichel: my last apprentice shot this pic of me working... "thats going on the wall at school "HOW NOT to do it!": http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12244&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
06:29 PM andypugh: Loetmichel: I welded almost no days in August, I loaned the MIG to a neighbour and the TIG broke. I could only make the TIG work work with the top off and a lab PSU onto the current setting knob.
06:29 PM phipli: you wear a ring - interesting. Lot of workshop folks dont
06:30 PM Loetmichel: ... he DID help me to extinguish the trashcan afterwards where i put the the alcohol soaked rag just before starting grinding ;)
06:30 PM phipli: friend of my dad's shorted a battery through his ring
06:30 PM andypugh: Yeah, and i wear long sleeves and no glasses when I use the lathe.
06:30 PM phipli: my dad says the blister looked /just/ like the ring
06:31 PM Loetmichel: phipli: why not?
06:31 PM Loetmichel: just remember where it is and that is potentially a hazard
06:31 PM phipli: catches / shorts electrical stuff / drops into sumps
06:31 PM Loetmichel: sometimes i think all the safety stuff makes people careless
06:32 PM andypugh: (And, on Youtube, I make a point of leaving the chuck key in the chuck, just to troll the guys who only remembered one simple rule from metalworking class)
06:32 PM phipli: sometimes I think about how many bits of my family members are missing...
06:32 PM phipli: (I am going to bed, I really am)
06:33 PM Loetmichel: andypugh: i knew a girl (fellow apprentice in my first job) who managed to forget a "springloaded" key in the lathe chuck
06:33 PM Loetmichel: the impact on the masters door was quite impressive ;)
06:33 PM Loetmichel: gn8, phipli
06:33 PM DaViruz: the next time i read that i need to use safety glasses to use a screwdriver i might just poke one of my eyes out in sheer frustration
06:34 PM andypugh: When I get a new chuck key the spring is in the scrap bin inside 10 seconds. Beastly idea.
06:35 PM Loetmichel: DaViruz: hmmm
06:35 PM andypugh: (and typically, but not currently, my lathes need the guard down to run, and the guard can’t go down with the chuck key in)
06:35 PM Loetmichel: i had my correction glasses save my eyesight a number of times now
06:36 PM Loetmichel: when a 10" cutter disc in the angle grinder explodes and sprays you with shards that are fu*** fast...
06:36 PM DaViruz: i got correction glasses 2 years back approximately, i still have a reflex to look away from stuff that can potentially send stuff toward my face
06:36 PM Loetmichel: one even managed to break a (PMMA) lens...
06:36 PM andypugh: My currentl lathe is waiting for splash guards (and, in fact, any sort of thing to stop the swarf falling down the back)
06:36 PM DaViruz: wich actually worsens it now, since that opens up a path behind the glasses
06:37 PM andypugh: I have never had anything big in my eye. About half a dozen troublesesome little things that needed fishing out, in 40 years of using a lathe and other machine tools.
06:37 PM Loetmichel: and from personal experience: never wear glasses when getting into an acciden whre the airbag deploys. MAN did that hurt then the glasses got slammed into my face ;)
06:38 PM Loetmichel: car accident
06:38 PM DaViruz: i tried without glasses once, made my nose bleed
06:39 PM Loetmichel: cant happen here...
06:39 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5519&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
06:39 PM Loetmichel: someone at 9th class thought it was funny to break it
06:39 PM Loetmichel: now its pretty squishy ;)
06:40 PM Loetmichel: (he had not much fun though, the pain made me lash out and break his jaw in half a dozen parts)
06:41 PM DaViruz: i feel most sorry for the tax payers ;)
06:45 PM DaViruz: what did the finn say when he poked his eye out with a knife?
06:45 PM DaViruz: "i'm glad i didn't use the scissors"
06:47 PM DaViruz: ..goodnight