#linuxcnc Logs

Aug 21 2017

01:07 AM IchGucksLive: morning to eclips day
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: us ship hit by tanker big bang last bell for 4 years
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: is this the day of dawn
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: :o
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: teo_ still her
01:11 AM IchGucksLive: im off till later
02:20 AM Deejay: moin
02:25 AM Vq: Good morning
02:27 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzRyOvXP8T4 nice
04:39 AM hazzy: morning
04:40 AM hazzy: today is the day!
04:42 AM XXCoder: yayy
05:16 AM IchGucksLive: hi ;-)
05:17 AM XXCoder: hey stranger
05:18 AM IchGucksLive: :O
05:18 AM IchGucksLive: hazzy: dont break to many bits
05:19 AM XXCoder: think hazzy is talking about eclipse. in that case, don't blind yourself hazzy !
05:22 AM IchGucksLive: i woudt fliy to the USA on that but its so bussy here on schoolyear opening
05:23 AM IchGucksLive: it is the best 3min you can get on astronomie
05:23 AM IchGucksLive: NASA is live from 2hr bevore
05:24 AM IchGucksLive: https://eclipse2017.nasa.gov/
05:24 AM XXCoder: here school starts in a week or 2? not too sure, no kids to be concerned with schooling with lol
05:25 AM IchGucksLive: we serve in total as far as my numbers are around 9k students
05:26 AM IchGucksLive: im off to luinch
05:26 AM XXCoder: later
05:27 AM IchGucksLive: :P
06:14 AM phipli: hey folks
06:24 AM jthornton: morning
06:24 AM phipli: how goes?
06:25 AM jthornton: just waking up a bit late
06:28 AM phipli: :)
06:28 AM phipli: just had eggs for lunch
06:29 AM jthornton: I have 4 months to wait again for eggs :(
06:29 AM phipli: There is always your neighbour :)
06:29 AM phipli: I'd send you some, but you have strict food import laws if I remember...
06:30 AM jthornton: yea had some of her eggs for breakfast yesterday
06:30 AM phipli: your government doesn't like our cheese :)
06:31 AM jthornton: silly bunch
06:54 AM archivist: dont like our cheese but make pink slime :)
07:30 AM Loetmichel: *gnhihihi* boss just complained that his 120kEur tek oscilloscope doesent read or write Usb-thumbdrives anyomore... so i investigated: a virus on the system. AGAIN.. must have not gotten all the thumbdrives lst time that old fella appeared on our tech.. Astounding that it still runs under XP though... *toasting a desifect-cd* *giving the boss the "but this time i need ALL yur thumbdrives or
07:30 AM Loetmichel: that thing will come back to haut you AGAIN!" talk* :-)
08:44 AM HighInBC: Loetmichel: do people seriously hook up 100k+ equipment to windows machines?
08:45 AM HighInBC: at a certain level you just need to put the toy OS down and use a real operating system
08:46 AM HighInBC: insufficient equipment quality: https://i0.wp.com/www.tasteslikepetrol.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/scooty.jpg
08:48 AM Loetmichel: HighInBC: the 100k+ equipment IS a windows(xp) maschine
08:49 AM HighInBC: wait, the 120k oscilloscope is a window machine?
08:49 AM Loetmichel: and of course no win7 update aviable from tectronics
08:49 AM Loetmichel: yes
08:49 AM HighInBC: that sounds... so wrong
08:49 AM HighInBC: first off what is a non-real time OS doing on a real time machine at all
08:49 AM HighInBC: why would a 'scope even need an OS
08:50 AM HighInBC: *horror*
08:51 AM Loetmichel: i think the timing critical stuff is in the DSPs. the os is only there for the gui and the connectivity.
08:52 AM HighInBC: still hard to believe they use an off the shelf toy OS to run a machine like that. Professional equipment and "I got a virus" should not really go hand in hand
08:53 AM HighInBC: barring bespoke stuxnet style virii
08:57 AM * JT-Shop just checked the game camera and saw an eagle catching a rodent and flying up to a tree with it
08:57 AM sync_: HighInBC: windows is capable of realtime
08:58 AM HighInBC: really, so the OS will defer its hardware handling to run application cycles?
08:58 AM HighInBC: or do you mean the feature called "realtime"?
08:59 AM HighInBC: which really just means "highest" priority
08:59 AM HighInBC: that 'scope must have dedicated chips handling real time aspcects and be buffering it to the OS
09:00 AM sync_: no
09:00 AM sync_: there are some that do it like that
09:00 AM sync_: but some also run thier realtime stuff in windows
09:01 AM sync_: there is no reason why not
09:04 AM archivist: getting a virus is a reason not to use windows
09:04 AM MarcelineVQ: does anyone have any reccomendations for what to use to cad+cam? in the vein of softworks, fusion, things of that nature, I'm on linux mostly
09:04 AM sync_: you can get the same on any other os, it is a moot argument
09:06 AM archivist: MarcelineVQ, depends what you want to make
09:09 AM MarcelineVQ: good point, I'd like to experiment with a little machine at home I'm figuring out how to make. So to start I'd be needing to make things appropriate for a 3 axis router, probably wood and plastic materials. No lathing or similar rotations of the work pieces
09:10 AM MarcelineVQ: cad+cam capable of making toolpaths for relief sculpture in wood would be pretty great
09:15 AM enleth: MarcelineVQ: F360, can't beat that if you don't mind it being non-free
09:16 AM enleth: there is a browser-based version now, so it's not Windows-only anymore
09:16 AM MarcelineVQ: I don't mind exactly but I'd like to have a few options tried out before trying a timed trial :>
09:16 AM enleth: it's not a timed trial
09:16 AM enleth: you register as a startup/hobbyist/student and get it for free
09:17 AM enleth: for a year, then you extend it for another year, indefinitely
09:17 AM enleth: AFAIR they define being a startup as making less than $120k a year from doing stuff involving their software
09:18 AM MarcelineVQ: I'll give it a shot then thank you. Do you happen to know if they require financial statements?
09:18 AM enleth: you do need a pretty decent PC, moreso for the browser version than standalone
09:18 AM enleth: nope
09:19 AM enleth: https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/fusion-360-preview-functionality/browser-f360-getting-started/td-p/6932699 - this is how to open the browser version
09:21 AM MarcelineVQ: I was having trouble signing up earlier, once that's sorted out I'll have a look. I suspect it didn't like the browser I was using.
09:21 AM archivist: I think they will lower the bar with time as you get hooked
09:22 AM MarcelineVQ: close the trap as it were?
09:22 AM archivist: yup
09:23 AM archivist: they got form, see eagle pcb software
09:25 AM phipli: What did they do with Eagle - I've never updated my version since they bough eagle
09:28 AM enleth: archivist: with the price they do ask of non-eligible users, honestly, I don't see a problem
09:28 AM archivist: changed the licensing somewhat
09:29 AM archivist: mainly changed to a rental model
09:29 AM archivist: so for long term use it gets expensive
09:30 AM enleth: I mean, yes, it's a huge corporation and there certainly is some percentage of sociopathic dickwads among the management, who would be happy to fuck everyone over to profit, like it comes to be in most big companies
09:32 AM enleth: but they *do* offer a very high quality product for a price that makes it much more accessible than similar products were for many years in that industry and they deserve at least a little credit for that
09:32 AM archivist: there has been an upturn in kicad users since :)
09:34 AM enleth: could have something to do with the fact that kicad development really took off in the last couple years
09:35 AM enleth: it's much more usable now than it was when Eagle had been most popular
09:39 AM phipli: I'm not a fan of the monthly payments style of software licence
09:41 AM phipli: heh
09:41 AM phipli: classic software problem
09:41 AM phipli: same as windows XP
09:41 AM enleth: me neither, but that seems to be the only way for such software to be affordable
09:41 AM phipli: if MS had kept making security updates and adding drivers,
09:42 AM phipli: nobody would have ever moved
09:42 AM phipli: and MS would have gone bust
09:42 AM archivist: it is not affordable though with a rental model
09:42 AM phipli: once software is good enough, why bother buying new versions?
09:42 AM archivist: now they have moved to win10 people are dropping them I think
09:42 AM phipli: I'm so glad open source exists
09:43 AM enleth: before, things like CAD or graphics editing software cost a truckload of money and if you didn't have the money upfront, you were forced to use pirared software (for industry-standard stuff you simply must use), or not use it at all
09:43 AM enleth: now a startup can afford it before they start making any real money
09:43 AM enleth: and in the long term, well
09:44 AM enleth: yes, it is more expensive
09:44 AM enleth: *pirated
09:45 AM enleth: but even then it's not a huge amount of money for something you use to make more money
09:46 AM phipli: I'm most pissed off with them all because they did so few non-windows versions in the last 20 years
09:47 AM sync_: a lot of cad software runs under unix or osx
09:49 AM phipli: yes.
09:49 AM phipli: now
09:50 AM phipli: and by a lot
09:50 AM phipli: you mean 2
09:50 AM phipli: autocad and fusion
09:50 AM phipli: (other than open source)
09:50 AM phipli: CATIA does too
09:50 AM sync_: nx as well
09:50 AM phipli: but that isn't really for home / small enterprise
10:08 AM archivist: anyway, freecad needs help
10:09 AM TurBoss: freecad is what I use for work
10:09 AM TurBoss: I just draw cubes but free cubes
10:10 AM TurBoss: 0.17 is making big progress
10:10 AM TurBoss: also the new Path workbench too
10:11 AM sync_: I have not been able to do anything productive with freecad
10:34 AM phipli: It works quite well until I generate gcode...
10:34 AM phipli: the gcode wasn't so great
12:06 PM Tom_L: yeah catia was ported from unix
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: eclipse under way live here https://eclipse2017.nasa.gov/eclipse-live-stream
12:10 PM IchGucksLive: 38min to go for oregon
12:12 PM IchGucksLive: nasa livestream main page https://www.nasa.gov/eclipselive/#NASA+TV+Public+Channel
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: off for eclipse live coverage
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: :P
12:19 PM XXCoder: ladies and gentlemen, I have witnessed the eclipse indirectly.
12:20 PM mtpocketscnc: guess i don't get to watch live lol internets jammed up by me
12:20 PM XXCoder: by indirectly I mean I used paper with hole in it to make camera obscura
12:21 PM XXCoder: literally took me a second to make lol
12:21 PM mtpocketscnc: got me a setup like that out my shop door.. box pretty much
12:22 PM phipli: XXCoder: there was a partial eclipse once when I was at my grandparents house
12:22 PM mtpocketscnc: don't get full eclipse here in wisconsin though
12:22 PM phipli: their tin barn was full of holes
12:22 PM XXCoder: nice
12:22 PM phipli: so there were hundreds of little eclipses all over the floor
12:23 PM phipli: after we left, my dad admitted to us (now that his parents werent there)
12:23 PM phipli: that the reason there were hundreds of holes was because he set of a shotgun cartridge in a vice when he was a teenager...
12:24 PM XXCoder: doh
12:24 PM sync_: haha
12:24 PM sync_: it happens
12:24 PM phipli: he had the decency to look embarrassed and tell us we shouldn't do things like that because it might pivot / explode
12:26 PM JT-Shop: wow zoneminder applied my patch to the FAQ's
12:27 PM Tom_L: what patch?
12:46 PM JT-Shop: docs
12:46 PM XXCoder: outside is dim now
12:47 PM XXCoder: used camera obscura in order to "see" it. nice, looks like 80% covered now
12:50 PM gloops: hmm my new power supply is red lighting my drivers
12:56 PM gloops: on closer inspection one corner has a fair dent
12:57 PM XXCoder: max eclipse if can see
01:06 PM JT-Shop: looks about 1/3 covered up here...
01:07 PM phipli: welding shield handy?
01:07 PM JT-Shop: yea, using my hand held welding shield
01:07 PM JT-Shop: I don't think the auto darken would work but I can try
01:08 PM XXCoder: I didnt bother with anything besides mail evelopes
01:08 PM XXCoder: just punch hole in one and shine result into ither
01:10 PM gloops: BS chinese stuff
01:10 PM gloops: min voltage its giving out is 54, should be 40v
01:11 PM MarcelineVQ: it was a 1/3 a moment ago, it's closing quick. couldn't find my good shade glass, stacked two cutting glass and a cutting shield and it seems to be working about as well for sungazing
01:11 PM MarcelineVQ: tried two autos but they undarkened right after they darkenned, guess the sun didn't scare them much :(
01:11 PM gloops: my drivers are rated at 50v max
01:12 PM gloops: how do i lose 5 volts
01:13 PM Jymmm: Ohmmmmms
01:15 PM gloops: yes ive heard of them
01:16 PM JT-Shop: about 1/2 now and a bit of clouds
01:18 PM MarcelineVQ: mine's slipping sideways a bit, probably not getting a full here
01:19 PM XXCoder: it didnt here
01:19 PM MarcelineVQ: not that one was predicted for here anyway afaik
01:19 PM XXCoder: I'm at too far north for full eclipse. my bro and family just saw full totality
01:25 PM nos: Anybody here tried hooking up an AC unit on dehumidify mode to a CNC machine, to do something about the mist?
01:25 PM XXCoder: nos: the robodrills at work use mist extractor
01:26 PM nos: ooh
01:26 PM XXCoder: its quite powerful, keeps interior no mist because 10,000 rpm and coolant makes for very fine fog inside lol
01:26 PM nos: and that's closed circulation?
01:26 PM XXCoder: it "leaks" liquid in tube back down to coolant resverior
01:27 PM nos: a
01:27 PM nos: excellent
01:27 PM nos: then it is probably a dehumidifier
01:27 PM XXCoder: pretty lossy though but still far better than breathing it in
01:27 PM nos: ya
01:27 PM XXCoder: it isnt designed to be dehumidifier just "no fog in machine" machine heh
01:27 PM MarcelineVQ: a lot of dehumidifiers you can buy normally have a spot where you can attach a hosehose instead of the collection bucket
01:28 PM MarcelineVQ: could be a useful route if you think a regular dehumidier would help
01:28 PM sync_: I don't think you need a dehumidifier, just something that will catch the droplets
01:29 PM MarcelineVQ: also by regular I mean a floor model this size https://learn.allergyandair.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/home-dehumidification.jpg
01:29 PM Loetmichel: you can get rid of fog by means of a cyclone
01:29 PM Loetmichel: not of "invisible" humidity though
01:29 PM MarcelineVQ: sync_: something simple like a fine screen with a gentle fan blowing on it to cool it and a collector under it?
01:31 PM nos: You can get these AC units really cheap. I think I paid 150 eur for mine and it is 8000BTU.
01:32 PM nos: Maybe the cold cycle would even make sense...
01:33 PM sync_: not really gentle, you need air movement MarcelineVQ
01:34 PM nos: If the walls inside the machine are cold, humidity would codense on them too.
01:38 PM MarcelineVQ: I wonder if a cooling oil would sidestep the issue
01:38 PM JT-Shop: starting to get darker about 2/3 covered up now
01:43 PM nos: MarcelineVQ: A water chiller in the coolant reservoir?
01:43 PM nos: It probably would...
01:44 PM nos: help, at least
01:45 PM nos: I think the reservoirs mostly rely on evaporative cooling.
01:46 PM nos: http://www.pyrogen.com/CnC0002.JPG
01:46 PM nos: (actually a fire extinguiser)
01:51 PM nos: XXCoder: I might be wrong. Apparently there are mist extractors which use electrostatic precipitation.
01:52 PM gloops is now known as Goodlord
01:54 PM Goodlord: old light dimmer switch should get volts down
03:21 PM CaptHindsight: JT-Shop: how close were you to the path of the total eclipse?
03:22 PM CaptHindsight: I'm glad I didn't drive south, they had clouds as well
03:25 PM JT-Shop: I was south of it 50 miles or so, I even missed the middle of it lol
03:27 PM HighInBC: only 90% coverage here, the shadows of the leaves all turned into crescents
03:27 PM HighInBC: trippy
03:28 PM CaptHindsight: the clouds would thin at times here, I used some brazing goggles
03:28 PM HighInBC: looked like this: https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2012/05/shadow2_mini1.jpg (not my pic)
03:28 PM CaptHindsight: was about 90% as well
03:32 PM CaptHindsight: next one around here is in 2024 then again in 2045
03:33 PM CaptHindsight: maybe I'll have a flying car by then
04:00 PM gloops: best competition for mesa card?
04:05 PM XXCoder: I had nothing so I just got 2 mail evelopes, punched hole in one by pen, then use camera obscure
04:05 PM XXCoder: obscura'
04:05 PM XXCoder: got 85% covrage I think here
04:10 PM CaptHindsight: punch two holes, look through holes? :)
04:11 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: competition?
04:11 PM XXCoder: heck no, that is not camera obscura
04:11 PM gloops: yeah, someone asked me
04:12 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: please explain and what Mesa card, there are several
04:13 PM gloops: Tamas Tasi shared a link.
04:13 PM gloops: Yesterday at 5:43pm
04:13 PM gloops: Does anybody know a MESA card competitor for LinuxCNC?
04:13 PM gloops: Excluding these:
04:13 PM gloops: and he gives the link to the cards listed on Linuxcnc site
04:13 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/box-pinhole-projector.html
04:14 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: Mesa makes several cards that work with LCNC
04:15 PM gloops: he might be asking if there is a generic alternative
04:15 PM CaptHindsight: Pico Systems makes some that overlap what mesa has
04:16 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: yeah thats fancy way to do it. I didn't have time so I just used sheet of paper and mail evelelop, and pen to punch hole
04:16 PM CaptHindsight: gloops: too many cards for a simple answer
04:17 PM gloops: ok, well he can research it himself, im not ready for mesa yet
04:17 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: http://picpaste.com/pics/20934003_1449896841766332_7681996281866818456_o-exsFPwGu.1503348392.jpg
04:17 PM XXCoder: sadly that teacher went blind and lost job
04:17 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, he needs to do a bit more homework
04:18 PM CaptHindsight: was looking at that pic earlier
04:18 PM CaptHindsight: thats when teachers were teachers
04:18 PM XXCoder: apparently he was nipping achcol a little
04:18 PM MarcelineVQ: look how dapper he is
04:22 PM CaptHindsight: Professional Kleenex Tissues
04:27 PM _methods: https://www.amazon.com/Avoid-Huge-Ships-John-Trimmer/dp/0870334336
04:27 PM _methods: this guy is going to make a ton of money off the navy
04:27 PM XXCoder: 97 bucks
04:28 PM CaptHindsight: _methods: they gots fancy schmancy radar for that now :)
04:28 PM _methods: apparently not lol
04:28 PM _methods: they keep running into other boats
04:28 PM CaptHindsight: LOL read the reviews
04:29 PM _methods: yeah
04:29 PM _methods: classic amazon
04:29 PM _methods: other classics like how to avoid trains
04:29 PM CaptHindsight: "As the father of two teenagers, I found this book invaluable. I'm sure other parents here can empathize when I say I shudder at the thought of the increasing presence of huge ships in the lives my children."
04:30 PM CaptHindsight: My husband and I both suffer from PTHSCD (post-traumatic huge ship collision disorder)
04:30 PM _methods: hahaha
04:30 PM Zebs: PTHSCD is a real issue.
04:31 PM Zebs: Especially for those who share a living space with a huge ship.
04:34 PM Deejay: gn8
04:35 PM CaptHindsight: _methods: yeah the US Navy is starting to sound like that racist joke about how to sink a battleship
04:41 PM gloops is now known as Goodlord
06:37 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
06:48 PM CaptHindsight: anyone know how to permanently disable dmps/screen blanking in Wheezy?
06:57 PM zeeshan: nop
06:57 PM zeeshan: :/
06:57 PM CaptHindsight: http://blog.tordeu.com/?p=292 is it #5 ?
06:57 PM malcom2073: Someone else had the same question a while ago in here, apparently wheezy doesn't have it in the normal place
06:59 PM CaptHindsight: I did it a while ago but I forgot to save the link with the steps
07:00 PM CaptHindsight: yeah why do they have to change the locations for the configs?
07:00 PM malcom2073: If it ain't broke, then they haven't touched it enough
07:03 PM CaptHindsight: it's handy when you are running a machine for hours and don't want to move the mouse every 10 minutes
07:03 PM zeeshan: i thought that was part of the system config
07:03 PM zeeshan: like for kde you go under energy management
07:03 PM Tom_L: i have it set i think but maybe all i did was disable screensaver
07:03 PM Tom_L: headin out to see what i can blow up tonight
07:05 PM CaptHindsight: hahah "The only way that I could get wheezy to not blank was to put a dvd in drive, open it with VLC & pause it. It never blanks."
07:05 PM Tom_L: lemme know if that works :D
07:05 PM CaptHindsight: step #14
07:06 PM CaptHindsight: just tried that will see, they did move the config file location
07:07 PM Tom_L: now come fix my problem!
07:08 PM CaptHindsight: dpms did not disable :(
07:08 PM Zebs is now known as Salieri
07:08 PM CaptHindsight: this the latest LCNC install with the latest update
07:09 PM CaptHindsight: I guess Debian really doesn't want you to have your screen on permanently
07:09 PM Salieri is now known as Zebs
07:10 PM zeeshan: save the planet
07:28 PM CaptHindsight: sheesh the #debian hall monitors don't like LCNC users asking questions in their channel
07:32 PM malcom2073: LCNC doesn't use the latest bleeding edge, so... UNSUPPORTED!!!!
07:32 PM malcom2073: Also, offtopic heh
07:32 PM malcom2073: I avoid that channel. Too many power trips
07:38 PM CaptHindsight: 50/50
07:39 PM CaptHindsight: apparently the person I mentioned #debian to for info on installing their nvidia driver upset the force in the channel
07:39 PM Tom_L: man i can't figure this out. forward direction runs but when the DPDT relay switches to reverse it pops the fuse
07:39 PM Tom_L: can't see any apparent wiring issues
07:39 PM Tom_L: even from a standstill
07:40 PM Tom_L: spindle
07:47 PM Tom_shop: CaptHindsight, did you try: xset s off dpms force on s noblank s expose -dpms
07:48 PM CaptHindsight: xset works only for the current session
07:48 PM CaptHindsight: I'd like to work permanently (after reboots, etc)
07:49 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_shop: can you post a schematic?
07:49 PM CaptHindsight: I'm also too tired to recall your setup
07:58 PM CaptHindsight: maybe the relay needs to break before make
07:59 PM CaptHindsight: is there a cap holding enough charge that when you reverse direction it rapidly discharges?
08:05 PM Tom_L: it does it even from a stop
08:05 PM Tom_L: starting out with M4
08:06 PM Tom_L: the relay does break before make
08:07 PM CaptHindsight: just guessing without a schematic
08:08 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Control5.jpg
08:08 PM Tom_L: only one i got :D
08:08 PM Tom_L: the blue relay goes to the inhibit signal on the control
08:08 PM Tom_L: the din mounted relay is the DPDT that reverses
08:09 PM Tom_L: and switches about 50ms after inhibit is tripped giving it enough time to stop
08:09 PM Tom_L: so it switches at near 0 V
08:09 PM Tom_L: yellow/orange are the inhibit signal
08:10 PM Tom_L: the pwm comes from the board on the left lug 9 & 10
08:10 PM Tom_L: goes to P2 and F1 which i think is GND
08:10 PM Tom_L: which has worked fine all along
08:10 PM CaptHindsight: have a link to the two boards again?
08:11 PM CaptHindsight: is one the drive and one the isolator board?
08:12 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Control5.jpg
08:12 PM Tom_L: KBIC & KBSI
08:14 PM CaptHindsight: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/PDF/kbsi_240d_manual.pdf
08:14 PM Tom_L: that's an isolation board
08:15 PM CaptHindsight: looking for the link to the KBIC
08:17 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.kbelectronics.com/manuals/kbic_manual.pdf
08:22 PM Tom_L: maybe a ground fault on the motor...
08:22 PM Tom_L: i'll check that
08:31 PM CaptHindsight: I can't see how the motor is connected to the relay and the Motor Armature outputs on the drive
08:32 PM Tom_L: could be the din mount, gonna double check that with a meter
08:32 PM Tom_L: the bottom poles may be the center of the relay
08:32 PM Tom_L: :/
08:33 PM CaptHindsight: never trust a ChinaCo silk screen
08:36 PM Tom_itx: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/700-td552_-en-p.pdf
08:36 PM Tom_itx: P 19
08:36 PM Tom_itx: tell me what you think
08:36 PM Tom_itx: 700-HN122
09:07 PM CaptHindsight: looks like the DPMS was fixed in a later version of the xfce4-power-manger
09:08 PM Tom_shop: fixed
09:09 PM CaptHindsight: your fuse go boom issue?
09:10 PM Tom_shop: yeah
09:10 PM CaptHindsight: 11 and 21 are always the COMMON
09:11 PM CaptHindsight: did you have it wired wrongly?
09:11 PM Tom_shop: the bottom row is the center of the relay
09:11 PM Tom_shop: go figure
09:12 PM CaptHindsight: heh, those diagrams are terrible
09:12 PM CaptHindsight: in the Rockwell catalog
09:12 PM Tom_shop: and now i know that
09:12 PM Tom_shop: is there a signal that trips on an M5?
09:13 PM CaptHindsight: you part number has the pin/screw numbers but doesn't lab;e the COMMON, NC or NO like the other part numbers
09:13 PM Tom_shop: i'd like to excite the inhibit signal on an M5 as well as M3 & 4
09:13 PM Tom_shop: i've got fwd & rev inhibit working
09:14 PM Tom_shop: now to find the signal for M5
09:32 PM Tom_L: now maybe i can get on with my orient code
09:34 PM CaptHindsight: \0/
09:34 PM Tom_L: the issue started when one of the SPDT relays stuck
09:34 PM Tom_L: so i switched to a DPDT
09:34 PM Tom_L: the rest is history
09:36 PM BeachBumPete: You da man!
09:38 PM Tom_L: friggin relay was kickin my arse
09:38 PM HighInBC: is welding a bit?
09:38 PM Tom_L: no not that bad
09:39 PM Tom_L: just kept popping fuses
09:43 PM Tom_L: now i gotta start over tuning the orient PID
09:45 PM CaptHindsight: unless it's a common relay I have lots of history with I always check the pinout with a meter
09:45 PM Tom_L: i bet i do now
09:45 PM CaptHindsight: too many bonehead typos in docs and even silk screens
09:45 PM Tom_L: just trying to rush since it's so hot out there
09:46 PM CaptHindsight: or like your doc that wasn't labeled
09:46 PM Tom_L: we found the drawing finally
09:46 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, the temp is supposed to drop tonight ans stay 70's all week
09:46 PM CaptHindsight: i think i saw a 60 by Friday
09:46 PM Tom_L: just poured down so now it's hot and humid out there
09:47 PM CaptHindsight: how far is the drive from Wichita to kansas City?
09:47 PM CaptHindsight: in hours
09:47 PM Tom_L: maybe 2.5
09:48 PM Tom_L: maybe 3
09:48 PM Tom_L: to olathe
09:48 PM Tom_L: she says 3.5
09:49 PM Tom_L: but then i cut 2hrs off my drive to Savannah :D
09:54 PM Tom_L: mmm i can't use motion.spindle-on for a pulse because going from an M3 straight to M4 it stays on
09:54 PM Tom_L: gonna have to use motion.spindle-forward & -reverse and motion.spindle.brake to cover all possibilities
09:55 PM Tom_L: going from m3-M4 or M3 or M4 to M5 etc
09:55 PM Tom_L: i need to pulse the inhibit to the drive so it doesn't slam to a stop
09:56 PM Tom_L: the inhibit time is adjustable
09:57 PM BeachBumPete: jeez man sometimes pleasing customers with new designs is TRYING
09:59 PM Tom_L: i wish i knew how to use lut5
09:59 PM Tom_L: i need a 3 input or gate
10:00 PM Tom_L: would be just as easy to use 2 or2
10:00 PM Tom_L: for me anyway
10:01 PM Tom_L: so the 5th bit is the output?
10:01 PM Tom_L: on lut5
10:04 PM Tom_L: so would: 0x2 + 0x4 + 0x8 + 0x10 + 0x20 + 0x40 + 0x80 be correct for a 3 input or gate?
10:05 PM Tom_L: so 0xFE should be right
10:06 PM Tom_L: any takers?
10:08 PM Tom_L: so you assign that value to lut5.n.function 0xFE ?
10:09 PM * BeachBumPete thinks yeah that sounds right but has NO IDEA what Major Tom is talking about ;)
10:10 PM jdh: ground control
10:10 PM Tom_L: look up lut5
10:14 PM Tom_L: ok that's written. i'll test it tomorrow
10:15 PM Tom_L: now is the parameter in hex or u32
10:20 PM Tom_L: so a 3 input AND gate would be 0x80
10:20 PM Tom_L: makes sense now
10:22 PM Tom_L: 3 input XOR is 0x 16
10:22 PM * Tom_L hopes BeachBumPete is taking notes
10:31 PM HighInBC is now known as Chillum
11:05 PM enleth: Tom_L: at that point, you might want to use ladder logic
11:06 PM Tom_L: huh?
11:06 PM Tom_L: all i need is a 3 input or
11:06 PM Tom_L: i haven't figured out ladder logic yet
11:07 PM Tom_L: all that ^^ was just reading the table to figure out how it worked
11:07 PM enleth: sounded like you need a pulse too
11:07 PM Tom_L: oh i have the pulse already
11:07 PM enleth: ah, ok
11:07 PM Tom_L: using edge
11:08 PM Tom_L: except i should only be using one edge component and i'm not. i need to rewrite that tomorrow
11:08 PM Tom_L: put it after the lut5 instead of before it
11:09 PM enleth: maybe that's just me having used ladder logic before outside of linuxcnc, but I'd say it's more convenient for such tasks
11:09 PM Tom_L: maybe if i knew it
11:09 PM enleth: like, non-timing-critical supporting logic
11:10 PM Tom_L: all this is just to learn more about lcnc
11:10 PM enleth: timing-critical being whatever the servo thread needs
11:19 PM hazzy2 is now known as hazzy
11:20 PM hazzy: Back from viewing the eclipse
11:21 PM hazzy: I wanted to see totality so drove about 100 miles NE of Atlanta to Black Rock Mountain
11:22 PM hazzy: I left at about 5:30am to try and beat the rush, but that was not early enough
11:24 PM hazzy2: Opps, PC crashed...
11:25 PM hazzy2: took 4 hr to get to the park and 6 to get back traffic was so bad
11:26 PM hazzy2: But it was worth it!
11:26 PM Tom_L: so 10 hrs to see ~20 min of no sun?
11:26 PM hazzy2 is now known as hazzy
11:27 PM hazzy: Yep
11:27 PM Tom_L: and i thought i was nuts
11:28 PM Tom_L: it _is_ quite an experience though
11:28 PM hazzy: I did get a ~10 mile hike in as well, so the trip was double duty
11:28 PM hazzy: It is, certainly one of a kind
11:29 PM hazzy: I was surprised at how distinct the beginning and end of totality was
11:29 PM hazzy: I though it would more fade in and out
11:30 PM Chillum: even a tiny sliver of sunlight is at full brightness
11:30 PM Tom_L: temp drops
11:30 PM Tom_L: shadows change shape
11:30 PM Chillum: wish I saw totality, only got 90% coverage here
11:30 PM Chillum: barely dimmed
11:30 PM hazzy: The shadows were maybe my favorite part!
11:30 PM Chillum: the shadows were very cool
11:30 PM Tom_L: birds don't know wtf to do
11:30 PM Chillum: I did not expect that
11:31 PM hazzy: Some of the dogs freaked
11:31 PM Tom_L: yeah i've experienced one before
11:32 PM Tom_L: even a flock of geese that normally fly in a Vee were hovering around like a bunch of old crows
11:32 PM hazzy: haha, this is interesting, I guess they get disoriented
11:33 PM Chillum: "GO SOUTH!" "SOUTH!?!? There is no SUN, what good is going south going to do!?!?"
11:33 PM hazzy: lol
11:34 PM hazzy: I was on bear rock, but it would have been interesting to be in the forest to observe the wildlifes reaction
11:34 PM hazzy: I did hear an owl though!
11:38 PM hazzy: Ok fellows, calling it a day here
11:38 PM hazzy: gn8