#linuxcnc Logs

Aug 18 2017

01:00 AM IchGucksLive: Morning from Germany
01:05 AM IchGucksLive: enleth: still here
01:16 AM IchGucksLive: im off
02:25 AM Deejay: moin
05:30 AM Loetmichel: *harhar* i am not only appreciated for my brains here at the company, but also for my belly... had to jump around in the paper recycling container a bit to make room for moore cardboard boxes. :-)
05:33 AM Jymmm: Loetmichel: Nothing two gallons of gasoline and a road flare couldn't resolve.
05:33 AM Loetmichel: illegal in germany
05:33 AM XXCoder: only if you're caught ;)
05:34 AM Jymmm: Fine, the grab some marshmellows and call it a bbq
05:34 AM Loetmichel: you can only use firewood, coal or charcoal on a bbq here
05:34 AM XXCoder: roll em into fake firewood
05:34 AM Jymmm: paper IS wood silly
05:34 AM Loetmichel: anything else and you get fined for pollution
05:43 AM IchGucksLive: hi
05:44 AM Loetmichel: Jymmm: according to german pollution law it isnt
05:44 AM Loetmichel: you are not even allowed to burn particle board and osb here
05:45 AM jthornton: morning
05:49 AM XXCoder: hey
05:51 AM IchGucksLive: hi MarcelineVQ
05:52 AM MarcelineVQ: hello
05:54 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: did the canadia n cnc people yoin again on his homemade projekt
05:54 AM XXCoder: I dont know, I come in only hour ago
05:54 AM XXCoder: i work 10 hour shift
05:55 AM IchGucksLive: only 10 whre is the extra
05:55 AM XXCoder: 10 hour a day
05:55 AM IchGucksLive: TR said you need to get your BUD up
05:55 AM IchGucksLive: to make your wife great again
05:56 AM XXCoder: my non-existant wife is great already
05:56 AM IchGucksLive: best way
05:57 AM IchGucksLive: my brother baught a new mashine without even thinking of informing me
05:58 AM XXCoder: thats too bad
05:58 AM IchGucksLive: not for me for him
05:59 AM IchGucksLive: problems bont ask me ;-)
05:59 AM IchGucksLive: dont even think to ask
05:59 AM IchGucksLive: :o
06:00 AM XXCoder: lol
06:03 AM Vq: Hi MarcelineVQ
06:05 AM IchGucksLive: he only wants a 14day ahead work i think ~:-(
06:07 AM IchGucksLive: im off need to get things sorted :P
06:08 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop when are your new tennants moving in?
06:09 AM Goodlord: first tests with a marker pen - circle very oval shaped, so back to further scale testing lol
06:09 AM Goodlord: no backlash symptoms though pretty smooth!
06:10 AM XXCoder: pics or it didnt happen
06:10 AM Goodlord: its an oval
06:10 AM Goodlord: you know how the earth goes round the sun, its like that
06:11 AM MarcelineVQ: an elipse?
06:11 AM Goodlord: well no not an egg shape
06:11 AM Goodlord: just a nice oval
06:11 AM MarcelineVQ: that's ovoid
06:11 AM Goodlord: can we stick to laymans terms
06:11 AM MarcelineVQ: round-ish
06:11 AM Goodlord: pretty fing oval really
06:12 AM Goodlord: my brain is fatigued with all this!
06:12 AM Goodlord: its wider along the Y axis...so that means...
06:14 AM Goodlord: hey i didnt measure it actually, right thats it, i measure the widest and shortest points, that way i can which axis is cutting big or short
06:16 AM Goodlord: i have not lost faith though, no backlash - this is driven by cycle chains, although not under any load yet of course, i had every faith in the old chains
06:24 AM Goodlord: 10mm bigger looking along the Y
06:24 AM MarcelineVQ: quit a jump :(
06:24 AM MarcelineVQ: quite
06:26 AM Goodlord: yeah had some problems getting the scale with sprockets and reducers, 10mm is ok, i will prevail
06:27 AM Goodlord: scale i can sort out, backlash would be disappointing
06:27 AM Goodlord: so back to the calculator
06:51 AM Goodlord: no, scale is not 10mm out, so any suggestions?
06:52 AM Goodlord: smooth oval, no dog ears or any sign of backlash or jerking or anything
06:53 AM archivist: which X or y :)
06:53 AM Goodlord: looking at it, the circle (oval) is 10mm longer looking down the Y
06:53 AM Goodlord: ive just checked X and Y 100mm they are pretty close
06:53 AM archivist: that was not the question :)
06:54 AM archivist: if they are both 100mm then it is a circle
06:54 AM Goodlord: not sure what you are asking then, could you elaborate?
06:54 AM Goodlord: seeing some G64 issues on the forums
06:55 AM archivist: put it in exact path mode and go slowly
06:55 AM Goodlord: is that on the interface or in the ini file?
06:56 AM Goodlord: no wait, its in the Gcode right?
06:56 AM archivist: G61 - exact path mode. G61 visits the programmed point exactly
06:57 AM archivist: anyway draw a square
06:59 AM Goodlord: ok yeah, ill check the code, just something generated by an app i didnt look at it
07:00 AM archivist: hand coding rulz
07:01 AM Goodlord: i cant code what im going to do by hand really lol
07:02 AM archivist: wot !
07:02 AM Goodlord: wood stuff, patterns, carvings, letters
07:03 AM Goodlord: i was getting a good basic understanding of gcode, but theres a lot to take in with this in a short time, i will return to it soon enough
07:10 AM Goodlord: the code is G61 - i saved for emc2 g61 arcs
07:12 AM Vq: I usually run with G64 P0.2 or something similarly low.
07:13 AM Goodlord: this could not be offsets causing the oval ?
07:14 AM archivist: you want it with less blending to be exact
07:14 AM Vq: It allows linuxcnc to deviate with 0.2mm as I understand it.
07:14 AM archivist: this is not offsets
07:15 AM archivist: it will blend stuff to move faster, so control that, exact path or less blending
07:15 AM Goodlord: what do you suggest - scale is near enough, running g61, kinda heading towards mechanical issues here
07:15 AM Goodlord: what about TRAJ
07:16 AM archivist: scale also deals with mechanical scale you adjust for correctness
07:16 AM Goodlord: could be out of square i didnt set that up when i moved the machine
07:16 AM Goodlord: one axis not square to the other...
07:17 AM archivist: that wont give a 10mm error
07:17 AM Goodlord: hopefully nor would backlash or flex, i was thinking that
07:17 AM archivist: you have so far stated a 10mm difference but also x=y, this cannot be :)
07:18 AM archivist: there is a logical error there
07:18 AM Goodlord: what im saying, the circle is 10mm oval, on a straight line x 100 = 100mm on the machine, same for Y, neither axis is far out with scale, not to make 10mm over 100mm diamter
07:19 AM archivist: then use exact path and draw another circle
07:20 AM Goodlord: g61 - it is using that
07:20 AM Vq: Goodlord: There is a 10mm difference between lowest and highest diameter?
07:20 AM Goodlord: Vq yes
07:20 AM * archivist is disbelieving
07:21 AM Vq: Along which axis is the circle stretched?
07:21 AM Vq: X, Y or the diagonal?
07:22 AM Vq: Ah, you wrote Y.
07:22 AM Goodlord: %
07:22 AM Goodlord: G21 G40 G49 G61 M6 T1
07:22 AM Goodlord: G17
07:22 AM Goodlord: M7
07:23 AM Goodlord: i will keep looking at it anyway, ill draw a square now
07:24 AM Vq: If it isn't a scale issue then I have no idea.
07:27 AM Goodlord: well its a 10% error, ive just tried 100mm lines on each axis, no error like that, although i suppose a much smaller error would accumulate round an arc
07:28 AM archivist: no accumulation should occur
07:29 AM Goodlord: if this was mechanical, backlash/flex, you would expect some jerkiness at 90 degrees right?
07:30 AM archivist: you can expect steps with backlash
07:30 AM Goodlord: yes thats what i thought, its smooth all round
07:30 AM Goodlord: oh well, another quick go
07:34 AM Goodlord: no, drawing rectangle 10mm longer as well, some scale issue on the Y surely, it did just draw 100mm straight line 100mm lol!
07:35 AM Goodlord: i wont keep pestering anyway bbl
08:04 AM Vq: MarcelineVQ: Haskeller machinist? :)
08:32 AM IchGucksLive: hi
09:27 AM MarcelineVQ: Vq: functional in multiple ways
09:34 AM Vq: MarcelineVQ: Different kinds of side-effects aversion.
09:44 AM Goodlord: ok, circles are fine, squares are fine, i have built a machine of excellence!
09:44 AM TurBoss: Great
09:45 AM Goodlord: well, excellent at drawing shapes anyway
09:46 AM MarcelineVQ: Goodlord: make a vid of it in action :>
09:47 AM Goodlord: soon, it isnt painted or anything yet, no work surface, im just drawing on a box on the floor atm lol
09:49 AM Vq: Goodlord: Nice :)
09:53 AM archivist: Goodlord, they are never finished, just start using :)
09:59 AM Goodlord: yeah i have already designed the next one in my mind before this is even cutting haha
10:00 AM Goodlord: probably be able to use it next week, i need to catch up on other things and have a bit of a break from it, im happy enough now i know it isnt full of backlash
10:00 AM archivist: my 5 axis started as 2 cnc 2 manual
10:01 AM Goodlord: i am planning a 4 axis, was going to fit it to this but i think ill build again seperately, no rush then i will have this one to use in the meantime
10:02 AM Goodlord: think i still have plenty to learn about using one before i start with anything else though
10:02 AM Goodlord: archivist - 5 axis mill for metal?
10:03 AM archivist: yes
10:03 AM archivist: was made for gear cutting
10:03 AM Goodlord: i dont even know what one of those would look like
10:05 AM archivist: same as most 3 axis mills with added rotaries
10:05 AM Goodlord: A and B rotary?
10:05 AM Goodlord: like vertical and horizontal rotary
10:06 AM archivist: first cuts were A cnc and Y rest manual http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_02_03_cnc/P2030017.JPG
10:07 AM FinboySlick: Goodlord: That's archivist's bedroom, btw ;)
10:07 AM archivist: another year or so before full cnc and 5 axis
10:07 AM FinboySlick: He sleeps, spooning with that little shaper you see in the background.
10:08 AM archivist: nah that was at the clockworks before it got put in the bedroom
10:08 AM Goodlord: bit heavy for wooden floor upstairs
10:09 AM archivist: real bedroom window http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_08_11_bevel/IMG_1633.JPG
10:09 AM Goodlord: so, do you make money with this archivist or is it for hobby use?
10:09 AM MarcelineVQ: next addition, plexi shields and a magnet/vaccum to catch bits
10:10 AM archivist: Goodlord, it have earned money but not enough
10:12 AM archivist: it was doing production stuff at the clockworks
10:12 AM Goodlord: would be ok for injection mold dies
10:12 AM archivist: bit too light and flexible for that
10:16 AM Goodlord: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkFdrka5Q2Y
10:16 AM Goodlord: that looks pretty lightweight, does the job
10:34 AM poqer: how does linuxcnc compate to windows counterparts
10:34 AM JT-Shop: LinuxCNC is real time windows is not
10:36 AM poqer: what do you mean realtime?
10:38 AM Loetmichel: linuxCNC uses a kernel that kind of gurtees a specific response time. to do the smae with windows you neet a much m ore potent cpu, end even then ists more riskky
10:38 AM Jymmm: poqer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_computing
10:38 AM Loetmichel: for realtime responses ot stepper steps and linar measurements
10:41 AM poqer: i see
10:43 AM poqer: how good is hardware support? a friend of mine bought a laser cutter and i was thinking about doing the same, but will i be able to control it with linuxcnc? i am really bad at this stuff sorry if what i'm asking doesn't make sense
10:45 AM poqer: will i have to search for a specific machine?
10:46 AM Goodlord: lol, i just made a machine out of scrap iron and bicycle parts, runs fine on linuxcnc
10:46 AM Goodlord: i think this does six axis now? it will run your lazer like lightning
10:47 AM JT-Shop: this?
10:47 AM poqer: i'm fearing the manufacturer might have closed source firmware/software (kind of like the graphics card drivers situation)
10:47 AM Goodlord: emc2
10:49 AM Goodlord: poqer you are talking about a small machine right? not an industrial one
10:49 AM poqer: Goodlord: yeah i think the manufacturer was elekmaker
10:49 AM poqer: if i remember correctly
10:52 AM Goodlord: probably wont be issues, are you thinking of running from a laptop or old tower? i have had a laptop with non compatible graphics card, that was for linux mint though not linux
10:52 AM poqer: from a laptop
10:54 AM Goodlord: someone else probably answer better than me, i doubt you would have any issues though, with a tower the graphics card isnt an issue - as can change it cheaply, i think there are some issues with onboard graphics with some linux set ups
10:55 AM poqer: Goodlord: that's find, what i was asking is for example if the X manufacturer that makes the laser cutting machine has closed firmware and maybe linuxcnc can't communicate or something like that.
10:55 AM poqer: fine*
10:55 AM poqer: can't communicate with the machine*
10:56 AM Goodlord: i really really doubt it, most of the kit machines are made with standard issue chinese drivers and boards
10:56 AM poqer: Goodlord: nice, that sounds promising :) thanks for the help
10:58 AM poqer: are the requirements on the official website accurate?
10:58 AM poqer: hardware requirements*
11:00 AM Goodlord: never looked at them, im using an old dell for mine atm, 246k gforce card, it jogs - or tries to jog faster than i dare run it
11:00 AM Goodlord: 256k
11:00 AM poqer: i also have an old laptop
11:00 AM poqer: roughly 1GB ram one pentium cpu ~1Ghz or something like that and plenty of disk space
11:01 AM Goodlord: could do with upping the ram if possible - it will run on that ok though i think
11:01 AM Goodlord: this is the problem with old laptops, not much scope to beef them up
11:02 AM poqer: yeah i know i am planning to get a new laptop but until then i'm stuck with this potato :p if it runs it's ok it doesn't have to be super fast
11:03 AM Goodlord: are you in the usa?
11:03 AM poqer: no
11:04 AM Goodlord: well i dont know how much old towers go for where you live, i pick them up for like £5 on the car boot sales here, theyre not even worth thinking about
11:04 AM Goodlord: but you might want a laptop for space reasons or whatever
11:08 AM poqer: 5?
11:08 AM poqer: how old?
11:09 AM archivist: most laptops are not usable due to power management
11:09 AM poqer: what problem will i face if i use a laptop?
11:10 AM archivist: latency and lack of parallel port
11:11 AM poqer: parallel port?
11:11 AM archivist: the latency is due to the power management, they shut the processor down to save power/keep heat down
11:12 AM archivist: hardware to drive your system, no usb that is another latency problem in realtime systems
11:13 AM poqer: some laptops have usb unless i am not understanding what you are saying correctly?
11:13 AM archivist: usb is no good for cnc
11:14 AM poqer: my friend control the machine with a usb cable on windows and it worked fine
11:14 AM poqer: controlled*
11:14 AM archivist: USB can go deaf on you for 2 seconds (in the spec)
11:14 AM poqer: i don't need production level performance
11:14 AM poqer: just good enough for a hobby
11:15 AM archivist: the trajectory planner and motion control is in the PC with linuxcnc, not in the external usb box
11:15 AM archivist: there is an ethernet option
11:19 AM poqer: ok so it's better to use an ethernet cable
11:20 AM Goodlord: this tower is 2008
11:22 AM Goodlord: parallel port is most common way of communicating, you will see if your kit uses one if it has a db25 board
11:23 AM roycroft: what a mess we're having
11:23 AM roycroft: another major highway just closed because of fires
11:24 AM MarcelineVQ: fires are insane this year
11:24 AM roycroft: tens of thousands of campers have been displaced in central oregon because of the fires
11:24 AM Goodlord: wheres that roy?
11:24 AM roycroft: i'm in oregon
11:24 AM Goodlord: oh
11:24 AM roycroft: much of central oregon is in gridlock already because of eclipse traffic
11:24 AM roycroft: and a lot of those displaced campers are going to come to western oregon now
11:25 AM roycroft: parts of central oregon are out of fuel and food already
11:25 AM roycroft: i'm about 20 minutes south of the path of totality
11:25 AM roycroft: so i'm giving myself 5 hours to get there on monday
11:25 AM roycroft: and i hope i can make it all the way up there
11:26 AM Goodlord: im not sure what mesa cards people are using, i saw one on ebay for £350
11:26 AM roycroft: i have a route planned out that will keep me on tertiary roads and logging roads almost the entire way
11:27 AM roycroft: my understanding is that the mesa cards are pretty ubiquitous amongst the north american cnc community, but almost unknown in the eu
11:27 AM roycroft: i think mesa need a good .eu distributor :)
11:28 AM Goodlord: not something ive really looked into but therent many on ebay here i can see
11:29 AM archivist: they get bolted in and just work
11:29 AM roycroft: so they're boring :P
11:30 AM * roycroft likes boring things sometimes
11:30 AM archivist: I dont have one yet !
11:34 AM pcw_home: USB is not good for LinuxCNC's control architecture (where the host runs the real time motion control)
11:35 AM pcw_home: Oops forgot to scroll down...
11:42 AM enleth: well, the robot works, wxcept that the 4th axis locks up, needs some debugging
11:46 AM archivist: get it to pour the beer to prove it works
11:49 AM IchGucksLive: hi from Germany
11:50 AM JT-Shop: pcw_home: what's a good motherboard to use as my camera server PC?
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: JT-Shop: asus 5f
11:59 AM JT-Shop: not getting any hits on asus 5f
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: the p5b deluxe
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: with the irq change you can get it to below 5k latency
12:03 PM JT-Shop: looks like it is no longer made, no one has stock except used on flea bay
12:03 PM IchGucksLive: my computers here are older then the students i got
12:07 PM JT-Shop: I'm looking for a DDR4 motherboard
12:17 PM IchGucksLive: what size
12:17 PM JT-Shop: atx
12:18 PM JT-Shop: well it could be any size the only conncection will be power and Ethernet so need GB Ethernet
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: micro
12:19 PM JT-Shop: yea
12:19 PM IchGucksLive: then go for a GA cheep 60USD
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: JT-Shop: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Foxconn-A6GMV-AMD-690G-Socket-AM3-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-Video-Saound-Gigabit-/251856246774
12:25 PM IchGucksLive: JT-Shop: why not using old PC with that configs there are cheep and got all inside
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: cool price https://www.ebay.com/p/Dell-Desktop-PC-Computer-Core-2-Duo-500gb-4gb-Dual-19-LCDs-WiFi-Windows-10/5005746922
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: 160USD including all 2 monitors
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: in germany the selling woudt not be alowed as the seller can chouse the parts to pick
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: so the shop got lots of neutal and negativ hits
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: fire alarm i need to move BYE
12:37 PM JT-Shop: I've read as you add cameras to the ZoneMinder system it takes more processing power
01:40 PM Crom: JT-Shop: each camera takes quite a bit of bandwidth and cpu cycles to manage the video streams
01:40 PM JT-Shop: that's what I read
01:46 PM JT-Shop: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-Z170X-UD3-rev-10#ov
01:49 PM JT-Shop: https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Unlocked-Skylake-Processor-BX80662I76700K/dp/B012M8LXQW
03:09 PM gloops is now known as Goodlord
03:11 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop are the asrock boards ddr4? i can't remember
03:11 PM Tom_L: and i've got 2 of em
03:11 PM Tom_L: no, ddr3
03:12 PM Tom_L: it's my gigabyte that's ddr4
03:13 PM Tom_L: H110M-S2H-CF
03:13 PM Tom_L: been happy with it but it's no server
03:19 PM JT-Shop: I'm not sure if any I have now are DD4 or not
03:19 PM Tom_L: ssd will probably help too
03:20 PM Tom_L: how many cameras are you gonna add?
03:24 PM Tom_L: mine's just an i5 though
03:38 PM Goodlord: two motors on one axis on the db25 breakout board - just wire the two into the same pin?
03:39 PM TurBoss: there is a feature in the 2.8-pre that can do that
03:40 PM TurBoss: but is the development version
03:40 PM TurBoss: joints
03:40 PM Goodlord: to me turbo?
03:41 PM TurBoss: yes
03:41 PM TurBoss: :)
03:41 PM Goodlord: ok thanks, so you cant just wire them up to the same pin - same signal?
03:41 PM TurBoss: not sure about that
03:41 PM TurBoss: with joints you need 2 signals
03:42 PM Goodlord: hmm, should have known it wouldnt be so simple
03:45 PM TurBoss: 2.8-pre is only for brave people :D
03:45 PM TurBoss: but easy to install
03:46 PM TurBoss: it can contain bug and you should be able to report them
03:47 PM pcw_mesa: In 2.7 you can just wire them t the same signal (or wire multiple parallel port output bits to the same stepgen in HAL)
03:47 PM pcw_mesa: what 2.8 gives you is the ability to do gantry homing with dual limit switches properly
03:47 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: I have one now and after I get that set up I'll study it a bit... the POE switch has 8 ports :)
03:48 PM TurBoss: oh thanks for clarify
03:48 PM JT-Shop: pcw_mesa: any favorite motherboards for i7 processor?
03:49 PM pcw_mesa: I'm too cheap to own a I7
04:03 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:03 PM JT-Shop: what's a pretty good multi core motherboard?
04:16 PM Deejay: gn8
04:16 PM JT-Shop: night
04:18 PM JT-Shop: The Core i9-7980XE Extreme Edition processor, for example, has 18 cores and can process 36 threads simultaneously. It also retails for $1,999
04:18 PM JT-Shop: wow
04:19 PM pcw_mesa: I have not kept up with new motherboards except fanless ones
04:19 PM JT-Shop: yea there must be a million to choose from lol
04:20 PM pcw_mesa: You might see how much load top says your current video is using vs your current CPU capabilities
04:21 PM pcw_mesa: (to give you an idea of how much speed you need vs number of video channels)
04:21 PM JT-Shop: ok, I'll do that when I get it back on line, installing the camera
04:21 PM JT-Shop: thanks
04:32 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop get you one of those :D
04:34 PM hazzy1 is now known as hazzy
04:34 PM Tom_L: better yet, get me one
04:47 PM Goodlord: warnings about automation were premature - https://www.facebook.com/traditionalbritaingroup/videos/1401590219894967/
04:47 PM Goodlord: LOL
04:53 PM CaptHindsight: that's like a Friday night late at the office around here
05:21 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: ++ i had the same thought... but monday mornings ;)
05:22 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: get two and mb with dual processors
05:24 PM phipli: evening
05:25 PM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/images/chickens-2/7-18-17.jpg
05:25 PM phipli: JT-Shop: how are the new birds?
05:25 PM phipli: :)
05:25 PM phipli: awwwwwww
05:25 PM phipli: :)
05:25 PM JT-Shop: eating drinking pooping and napping and checking out the new digs... they like it better than the box
05:26 PM phipli: as they should :)
05:26 PM phipli: The one on the far right looks like trouble
05:27 PM phipli: twice the size of the rest
05:27 PM phipli: 10 of them? or are any hidden?
05:27 PM Loetmichel: i think its funny that they look like furry in that age
05:27 PM Loetmichel: not like feathery
05:28 PM JT-Shop: yea i don't know what came over me, I ordered 8 RIR female and 1 Barred Rock male and they sent an extra... I hope the coop is big enough
05:28 PM phipli: what type extra?
05:28 PM phipli: extra female?
05:29 PM JT-Shop: I guess so
05:29 PM JT-Shop: they say they are 90% correct in sexing them
05:30 PM phipli: so one of yours is wrong?
05:30 PM phipli: :)
05:31 PM JT-Shop: yea the chance is one is a male
05:31 PM JT-Shop: so we will see...
05:31 PM phipli: they look lovely
05:31 PM phipli: my gf is cooing
05:31 PM JT-Shop: it's amazing that 3 day old chicks know what to do after you get their beaks wet
05:32 PM phipli: (as am I)
05:32 PM phipli: built in programming
05:33 PM Loetmichel: "hardwired"
05:33 PM Loetmichel: :-)
05:34 PM phipli: they look like grubby fibreglass insulation
05:41 PM JT-Shop: it's funny to watch them they run around eat drink then just fall down for a power nap for a few minutes then they all jump up and repeat
05:42 PM phipli: do they all nap together?
05:42 PM JT-Shop: the ticket even has the hatching time
05:42 PM JT-Shop: mostly
05:43 PM JT-Shop: they hatched 5am on the 16th and I had them at 8am on the 18th not bad for mail order chickens
05:43 PM Tom_L: heh
05:44 PM phipli: JT-Shop: (turn the sound down, there is lots of noise) : http://www.miaopai.com/show/NKOc-R~B4hf~klqqJ7Ix6fIGFraJnvDxyPfdWQ__.htm
05:47 PM JT-Shop: I'm behind the 8 ball for bandwidth :(
05:48 PM phipli: :(
05:48 PM phipli: it contains chickens
06:01 PM * JT-Shop calls it a day no more work for me
06:02 PM JT-Shop: the instructions say not to handle or play with the chicks for the first 24 hours... some were eating out of my hand and one jumped up on my finger :)
06:02 PM JT-Shop: Now that I know better a little at least I'll spend more time handling and playing with them when they are young
06:15 PM phipli: JT-Shop: I'm slightly nervous - one of the new ones has been picked on so much by the others that it is very shy
06:15 PM phipli: I'm not sure that it will ever get comfortable with us
06:15 PM phipli: the other new one (the one that looks like a BR) loves food
06:16 PM phipli: and us
06:20 PM JT-Shop: can you separate the picked on one from the others but in view
06:23 PM phipli: the other new one gets distressed when we separate it
06:23 PM phipli: so what we've been doing is letting the older ones out into the garden and leaving the younger ones in the coop together
06:23 PM phipli: as much as possible
06:24 PM JT-Shop: that should help
06:26 PM JT-Shop: I've read that sometimes it helps to have the new ones with a divider so they get used to each other before joining the older group, they call it the playpen method IIRC
06:30 PM phipli: yeah
06:30 PM phipli: we didn't have the stuff to do it
06:30 PM phipli: didn't expect it to be so much of a problem
06:31 PM phipli: the one causing the trouble had only been timid up until the new ones arrived
06:31 PM JT-Shop: then it jumped at the chance to not be last?
06:31 PM phipli: yeah
06:33 PM phipli: right
06:33 PM phipli: anyhow
06:34 PM phipli: time to hit the sack
06:34 PM JT-Shop: all right see you later
06:34 PM phipli: night
06:34 PM phipli: don't forget to spoil the new birds
06:35 PM JT-Shop: I will tomorrow for sure lol
06:35 PM phipli: :)
08:18 PM Crom_: zugh... my wife just came up with a new D&D character Willimina SpeareShaker Gnome Bard
08:22 PM adamj12b-web_: Hi!
08:22 PM Crom_: Yo!
08:25 PM adamj12b-web_: Im looking for some help. Im trying to get some lubepump hal code running on my machine and im stuck. loadrt comp names=LubePumpComp generates an error ending with comp.ko File Exists error which google leads me to believe I am already using the comp component somewhere else, but after an extensive search, im pretty confident to say I am not using comp before this instance of it.
08:26 PM CaptHindsight: Gary Gygax is from around these here parts
08:27 PM CaptHindsight: never played D&D much myself
08:29 PM Tom_L: ok at least i know what bitfile i've got loaded now
08:29 PM Tom_L: but the direction pin doesn't seem to change
08:43 PM Crom_: adamj12b-web_ I'm drawing a blank...
09:09 PM adamj12b-web_: Crom_: on my issue?
09:10 PM adamj12b-web_: BeachBumPete: Hey Pete
09:10 PM BeachBumPete: Hey Adam!
09:11 PM adamj12b-web_: Hows things been? I havnt been on in about a week.
09:13 PM BeachBumPete: aah not bad you? Just been doing some CAD drawing on a new product I am trying to bring out and I also received some more electronics components for the CNC lathe build...
09:14 PM adamj12b-web_: Good. Busy with house things. Going to be moving before the end of the year.
09:15 PM BeachBumPete: Oh yeah where to?
09:15 PM adamj12b-web_: 1.6 miles up the street :P
09:15 PM BeachBumPete: ah hehe
09:15 PM BeachBumPete: had a pretty fantastic meal tonight ;)
09:16 PM adamj12b-web_: Ill be getting a real shop. somewhere between 3 and 5k sqft and I think I can get 3 phase power.
09:17 PM adamj12b-web_: So I wanted to tell you that I have had ZERO luck getting these servos to work in velocity mode...
09:18 PM BeachBumPete: really why?
09:19 PM adamj12b-web_: they are either spongy as shit or oscillate
09:19 PM BeachBumPete: http://i.imgur.com/PnSU8t9.jpg http://i.imgur.com/40PrVmA.jpg
09:21 PM BeachBumPete: thats not good
09:21 PM adamj12b-web_: I had a few emails back and forth with tech support and they said to keep the intergration gain low because of the timing belts connecting the servos to the screws
09:21 PM XXCoder: any of you going to watch eclipse?
09:22 PM adamj12b-web_: XXCoder: Yup! Going to set up the DSLR and try and get some photos.
09:22 PM BeachBumPete: because of the ratio?
09:22 PM XXCoder: nice! I kinda want to but meh
09:23 PM adamj12b-web_: from what I understand, intergration gain is related to stiffness. direct drive being the stiffest.
09:23 PM BeachBumPete: the PID tuning in LinuxCNC has a lot to do with that as well.
09:23 PM adamj12b-web_: Astronomy is one of my many hobbies so it was just an excuse to buy some camera filters for solar. :P
09:24 PM adamj12b-web_: So they say raise the main gain and speed gain at the same time keeping them equal.
09:25 PM adamj12b-web_: They say raise them to stabilize the load.
09:25 PM BeachBumPete: your Z is belt driven too?
09:26 PM adamj12b-web_: I was thinking of giving it one more shot where its still spongy but let linuxcnc stiffen them by trying to keep them in position.
09:27 PM adamj12b-web_: Yes, all 3 axis have 25mm wide HTD 5mm pitch timing belts running a 2:1 reduction
09:28 PM BeachBumPete: huh odd that the Z is not different. is it counterweighted?
09:28 PM XXCoder: adamj12b-web_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEpWlTl95Tw
09:29 PM adamj12b-web_: Yes, the column has a very large counter weight in it. roughly 10x10x20in solid cast iron
09:30 PM adamj12b-web_: XXCoder: I will definitely watch that.
09:31 PM XXCoder: its nice, getting from calculus view, there is other video thats much less calculus view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vqWyramGy8
09:33 PM adamj12b-web_: One thing I was trying to find, is a halscope image that shows examples of that a good tune looks like vs a bad tune. or just a good one :P
09:34 PM XXCoder: second video is much more... visual
10:39 PM IchGucksLive: morning from Germany
10:39 PM IchGucksLive: its 5am
10:39 PM XXCoder: afternoon from cloudy washington
10:40 PM IchGucksLive: we have been bateling a blaze since 7hr
10:40 PM IchGucksLive: im off 2 bed
10:41 PM IchGucksLive: till whatever it takes
10:41 PM XXCoder: later
10:47 PM Gene_home: Morning Germany!
10:48 PM Gene_home: IchGucksLive: I believe you shared your controller box that was nicely wired, could you share again... I have a couple questions
10:50 PM hazzy: Evening Gene
10:50 PM hazzy: Did you ever get the G20/G21 indicating HAL component to work?
10:53 PM Gene_home: looks like i missed IchGuckslive.... bad fire???
10:54 PM Crom_: Hmmm We have a guy here at the makerspace with on of these: https://folgertech.com/collections/3d-printer-full-kits/products/folger-tech-ft-5-large-scale-3d-printer-kit
10:54 PM Crom_: He's putting some really nice prints
10:55 PM Crom_: He's putting some really nice prints out
11:11 PM roycroft: we have fires all over the place
11:13 PM roycroft: half the roads over the mountains are closed because of fires
11:13 PM roycroft: 150 campgrounds are closed because of fires
11:13 PM roycroft: towns are being evacuated
11:13 PM roycroft: and over a million people are converging on oregon right now for the eclipse
11:20 PM HighInBC: I am getting a ~90% eclipse where I am, good enough
11:21 PM roycroft: 99.7% here in eugene
11:22 PM roycroft: but i'm going to try to travel a wee bit north to get in the path of totality
11:23 PM Gene_home: I saw many traffic jams on tv today... gas pump lines, etc
11:23 PM roycroft: i have to try to fuel my car tomorrow
11:23 PM roycroft: i think i should be ok
11:24 PM hazzy: I am going to head a bit north too, am about an hour and a half from the path of totality, but I expect trafic will make it more like a 4 hr drive
11:24 PM roycroft: later on the weekend fuel might be in short supply
11:24 PM roycroft: there will be no deliveries of fuel or food over the weekend or on monday - nobody is going to bother trying
11:25 PM hazzy: Yeah, i better fuel and grub up ...
11:26 PM roycroft: i work an hour south of here, and traffic was a lot heavier than usual in the town where i work
11:28 PM hazzy: We are noticing heaver traffic in here in Atlanta, I would not expect people be traveling here as viability could well be very low, but I guess they are
11:32 PM hazzy: A friendly warning from the local news "Don’t wear those special shades while driving"
11:32 PM hazzy: That would be a disaster ...
11:32 PM HighInBC: so glad it is not happening here
11:33 PM HighInBC: nothing worse than your population exploding with people coming over for the day