#linuxcnc Logs
Aug 13 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
02:39 AM Deejay: moin
02:42 AM XXCoder: heh myfordboy uses 3d printer a bunch lately
03:00 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z8WbJwlUcY crazy
03:28 AM IchGucksLive: hi from Germany
03:28 AM XXCoder: hey ich
03:42 AM XXCoder: hmm a question
03:42 AM XXCoder: how do I protect my mic from rust
03:44 AM archivist: keep in a good atmosphere
03:45 AM XXCoder: thats issue im having now. my room humidity is at 59% now
03:45 AM archivist: and at a constant temperature
03:46 AM archivist: else coat with a protective oil after each use
03:46 AM XXCoder: cant do much about that, but I wonder if its good idea to keep it in very dry space
03:46 AM XXCoder: would protecta lube oil do?
03:47 AM archivist: trouble then is the cleaning before using each time
03:49 AM archivist: else get some dessicant and place in the box and/or keep in a plastic bag
03:50 AM XXCoder: good idea, I put it in one of filiment box for now. 0% humdity there.
03:50 AM archivist: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Self-Indicating-Silica-Gel-Dessicant-Teabag-Sachets-5-grams-Pk-10-SPECIAL-OFFER-/361895955232
03:52 AM archivist: just put them in a oven (50 deg C) to re activate
03:54 AM XXCoder: yeah
04:10 AM XXCoder: heh https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7728333568/hBEDE68E9/
04:24 AM IchGucksLive: till later
05:45 AM jthornton: morning
05:45 AM XXCoder: hey
05:45 AM XXCoder: guess what? it's raining here! smoke is finally clearing out
05:46 AM XXCoder: its been not fun 2 weeks
05:47 AM jthornton: we have a chance for rain every day for the next week and the temps are going back up to the 90's
05:47 AM Deejay: huhu
05:47 AM XXCoder: Deejay: canada had a forest fire, and smoke went south to seattle and tacoma area and stayed here
05:47 AM XXCoder: for 2 weeks..
05:48 AM XXCoder: jt over 90s and rain? dang humid bomb
05:48 AM Deejay: oh wow
05:48 AM jthornton: yea
05:48 AM XXCoder: yeah. cold front finally started clearing it, and rain should clear rest of smoke off
08:47 AM Valduare: mornin all
08:51 AM pink_vampire: hi Valduare
08:51 AM Valduare: :)
08:52 AM Valduare: looking for tips on any gotchyas for choosing an ESC for one of these rc motors to drive a spindle
08:52 AM pink_vampire: rc motors to drive a spindle
08:52 AM pink_vampire: let me know ALSO!!
08:56 AM archivist: Valduare, been done more than once
08:56 AM Valduare: aye i’ve never done anything with rc stuff before
08:57 AM Valduare: are there certain speed controllers that work for this and some that dont?
08:58 AM archivist: http://www.raynerd.co.uk/brushless-dc-motor-cnc-high-speed-spindle/
08:59 AM archivist: dunno about the drivers but over spec it as you will be using for longer periods
09:00 AM Valduare: k
09:00 AM Valduare: any tips for gt2 belt vs o rings to drive the spindle?
09:01 AM archivist: most seem to direct drive when using that sort of motor
09:02 AM Valduare: I have a nice spindle
09:18 AM nitrxgen_: not exactly a cnc question but i think someone will have a better chance of answering here than anywhere else
09:20 AM nitrxgen_: i have a 8mm stainless steel pipe - its a kind of key im making, but anyway, i have to split the pipe length ways and open the pipe out flat (at one end) and its only possible for me to do it by blowtorch - does this weaken the metal in any way?
09:33 AM IchGucksLive: hi from germany
09:35 AM BeachBumPete: Hey Ich!
09:48 AM JT-Shop: hey Pete
09:49 AM IchGucksLive: hey jt
09:49 AM JT-Shop: hey Ich
09:52 AM BeachBumPete: Hey JT :)
09:52 AM * nitrxgen_ bursts into the room
09:53 AM nitrxgen_: hey
09:53 AM IchGucksLive: please do not explode
09:53 AM * nitrxgen_ leaves
09:54 AM IchGucksLive: nitrxgen_: is the 8mm the diameter outer or the wall thickness
09:54 AM JT-Shop: I tried to fly the tiny whoop and one motor cuts off but testing them in betaflight they all spool up fine must be something configured wrong
09:54 AM nitrxgen_: IchGucksLive, OD
09:55 AM nitrxgen_: thickness is 1mm, but thinking about getting another pipe 1.5mm
09:55 AM IchGucksLive: how long do you need to widen it
09:55 AM nitrxgen_: IchGucksLive, ill show you roughly what im trying to make
09:56 AM nitrxgen_: https://doorentrydirect.com/images/shopimages/srs/fs2-key_300.jpg
09:56 AM nitrxgen_: so you see the handle part is just flattened out part of the pipe
09:57 AM nitrxgen_: i just wanted to know if using a blowtorch to heat it and flatten it out would weaken the metal at all
09:57 AM nitrxgen_: im not used to metal working
09:58 AM IchGucksLive: it shoudt be working as yoiu expected by cutting length
09:59 AM nitrxgen_: wat
10:00 AM nitrxgen_: this is what i made so far - http://i.imgur.com/5YXZQvS.jpg
10:01 AM IchGucksLive: do you got a angel grinder
10:01 AM IchGucksLive: this will do the job
10:01 AM nitrxgen_: cutting it isnt an issue
10:01 AM IchGucksLive: depending on Pipe Type PG it will not open
10:02 AM IchGucksLive: the example you provides is plyin Automotiv steel
10:02 AM IchGucksLive: plain
10:02 AM nitrxgen_: the imgur link is what i already made
10:04 AM IchGucksLive: but this is from lat to round
10:04 AM IchGucksLive: as i understand you want from round to flat
10:05 AM IchGucksLive: sorry i need to leave till later
10:19 AM archivist: nitrxgen_, that design has built in failure points
10:20 AM nitrxgen_: i know :(
10:21 AM nitrxgen_: the neck of it
10:21 AM nitrxgen_: https://doorentrydirect.com/bmz_cache/7/76f5f43dc8fe5bcf0d7902e8fdbdf7ac.image.200x200.jpg
10:21 AM nitrxgen_: they fit into these
10:21 AM nitrxgen_: thats just how theyre sold
10:21 AM archivist: I assume the switch action is the insertion, no rotation needed
10:22 AM archivist: so no/little strength needed
10:22 AM nitrxgen_: insertion, yeah
10:22 AM nitrxgen_: basically its like a push button behind that metal plate
10:23 AM nitrxgen_: i guess a stronger key would be a pipe, with a steel rod the diameter of the inner diameter of the pipe and weld it
10:23 AM nitrxgen_: with a little handle
10:23 AM nitrxgen_: :D
11:28 AM gloops: well i have messed about with mach3 for 3 days and got nothing out of the motors, within 10 minutes of installing linuxcnc the motors are stepping on test axis
11:29 AM gloops: mach 3 cannot even recognise a port that has cost me time and hassle and grey hairs
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: hi
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: gloops: there is even more you can get out
11:47 AM gloops: well i was going to run on linux when the machine was set up ready, i used mach3 because the old pc i got to run it had windows installed, ended up testing all parallel ports you name it, mach 3 was either not detecting the port or not sending signal. linuxcnc - not one single snag, and these motors are really quiet i can breath out at last lol
11:49 AM IchGucksLive: gloops: for more infos look at my youtube chanel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmwhCL92ZQRSVqFe3jGwJSQ/videos
11:52 AM gloops: wow you have been busy ich! i will be watching quite a few of those no doubt in the future lol, have subscribed
11:52 AM IchGucksLive: take your time
11:52 AM IchGucksLive: NOOB 2 pro not in one day
11:54 AM gloops: yes youre right, the next step is seeing how the mechanical side runs with motors on it, expecting some snags but hopefully will be able to get something useable in a week or 2
11:57 AM gloops: still having problems is a learning experience i suppose, i know how to test most of the layout including ltp port with a multimeter heh, and the phone charger works fine for 5v supply
11:57 AM gloops: as does the atx stanby 5v
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: gloops: so expert to be
12:03 PM gloops: hopefully
12:03 PM gloops: bbl
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: pflanze: blüts noch
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: pflanze: hi from germany
12:08 PM pflanze: Hi :)
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: nick indicates german language
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: hi rhgreene
12:09 PM rhgreene: hi
12:09 PM pflanze: Hello. We (London Hackspace) need to log usage of the CNC machines ("spindle logging").
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: pflanze: we had a CNC user that did a cnc for Basilikum
12:09 PM pflanze: How are others doing that?
12:10 PM IchGucksLive: hard logging as clamp
12:10 PM pflanze: We've found a script in Python to get events when the spindle is turned on and off.
12:10 PM IchGucksLive: the HAL will send this commands
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: as liinuxccnc on that channel you are does this log
12:11 PM pflanze: But, we need a user interface for it. The data should be collected centrally/on other machines, and usage stats sent at the end of the day.
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: and als prodcast it to varius interfaces
12:12 PM pflanze: What kind of interfaces?
12:12 PM IchGucksLive: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/halui.1.html
12:12 PM IchGucksLive: pflanze: first is a a CNC Router mill lathe printer
12:13 PM pflanze: What is NML?
12:14 PM IchGucksLive: the internal command post
12:14 PM IchGucksLive: pflanze: what is your mashine lok like
12:14 PM IchGucksLive: look
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: pflanze: you can get all realtime infos on mashine state pin and signals out of the system
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: also in
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: pflanze: you can run a log on the mashine so it stores all the times spindle is on ando f the real runtime
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: and themashine on time
12:19 PM IchGucksLive: pflanze: what software is the cnc running
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: is the spinldle VFD or simple cord runing
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: there are multiple ways
12:22 PM pflanze: It's older PCs (we've got about 4 CNC machines with separate PC each), the PCs can be shut down at the end of the day.
12:23 PM pflanze: Hence we should put the report functionality onto another machine.
12:23 PM pflanze: There was a consideration of using Google docs for that. But, that makes it depend on that (and needs email addresses to be fed to Google, which isn't so nice from a privacy perspective)
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: pflanze: you can store it in file
12:24 PM phipli: afternoon
12:24 PM pflanze: Is there project page about halui ?
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: as the pc shots down mashine is not working
12:25 PM IchGucksLive: spf or is the LOG needed to be read per day from somwhere else
12:25 PM pflanze: Yes. The CNC users log into the PC, use the CNC machine, when done, they log out (and shut down the machine unless someone else is gonna use it).
12:26 PM pflanze: spf?
12:26 PM pflanze: The log should be sent to the users so they know their own usage for the day. And to the CNC admins so they know what's going on.
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: ok then you need the shutdown proceed
12:26 PM pflanze: (Or could be a website with the same info. But we try to keep it simple)
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: that stores to a NET pc
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: SIMPLE
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: the shutdown firers a python script that sends the log
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: hi phipli
12:31 PM phipli: hey IchGucksLive
12:36 PM pflanze: So, who else evaluates CNC usage by users?
12:36 PM JT-Shop: hey phipli
12:36 PM pflanze: Anyone to chip in? Sounds like this must have been written already, or would see interest.
12:36 PM phipli: Hey JT-Shop - how goes?
12:37 PM phipli: pflanze, I'm not sure I understand your question
12:37 PM archivist: pflanze, not something I have seen asked in here since I have lurked here (about 11 years)
12:37 PM pflanze: We're a hack space and have many members.
12:37 PM pflanze: Some members are allowed to use the CNC machines.
12:37 PM JT-Shop: neighbor just had a coyote right by her house, good thing she had an early warning system... some guinea hens
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: pflanze: if you are on linux you can log the username
12:38 PM pflanze: When using the CNC machines, they must pay for their usage.
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: woudt be better then on cnc
12:38 PM pflanze: So we need to know how much usage they accrue. And tell them, and know for us.
12:38 PM pflanze: Automatically.
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: better to pay from log to log
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: not from M3 to M3
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: woudt be a unix side question but that is done in all schools
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: WEB shops
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: I-net stores and cafffees
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: coffee shops
12:40 PM phipli: JT-Shop, geese are supposed to be good guard-birds
12:40 PM phipli: suggested it to my parents who've been having a weirdo creeping around
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: pflanze: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-monitor-system-authentication-logs-on-ubuntu
12:41 PM phipli: pflanze, make the CNC software be triggered by a script that logs start and end time
12:41 PM phipli: restrict direct access to the software
12:42 PM phipli: then you always have a start and end time
12:42 PM phipli: only issue would be crashes I guess
12:42 PM phipli: you could run a scheduled scrape of ps every minute
12:43 PM phipli: check what users are running certain software
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: the mainlogin is a crone job
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: "/var/log/auth.log
12:44 PM phipli: is it a dedicated machine - are you looking to log just /machining/ or use of the machine?
12:44 PM pflanze: phipli, yes, we even have a python script that captures events from HAL
12:44 PM pflanze: phipli, the thing we don't have yet is all the rest around it (copy to other machines, format as emails or something, i.e. the user interface)
12:44 PM phipli: ah right
12:45 PM phipli: cron + rsync
12:45 PM phipli: gets it to another machine
12:45 PM phipli: then you could parse it and send emails using another python script
12:45 PM phipli: I made something that sends out weather warning emails using python
12:49 PM pflanze: phipli, yes, we would be happy not to have to build it ourselves though,
12:49 PM pflanze: or if we do, then if we do it in a way that benefits others so that it might be bundled with LinuxCNC in the future and we don't have to maintain it locally forever.
12:52 PM JT-Shop: I found a den of some sorts while bush hogging the woods to open them up more
12:53 PM JT-Shop: dunno what might be using it
12:53 PM BeachBumPete: sasquatch? ;)
12:54 PM JT-Shop: it's about 10" or so across...
12:55 PM SpeedEvil: very small sasquatch that.
12:55 PM SpeedEvil: Maybe you've discovered the pygmy sasquatch.
01:42 PM Vq: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNZ3stsXlYI
01:43 PM andypugh: Oh no! Wintergarten is using Mach3!
01:45 PM Vq: Yeah, I really liked their music though. :(
01:45 PM Vq: Guess I'll have to give up listening to them now.
02:04 PM phipli: I like his trike
02:14 PM Deejay: wintergarten is a german word
02:15 PM BeachBumPete: hehe when he kept saying marble machine I was picturing a large CNC machine that cuts marble LOL
02:15 PM Deejay: hmm, he seems to be german ,)
02:18 PM Vq: No, he's swedish. (Gothenburg)
02:18 PM Vq: And it's Wintergatan.
02:18 PM Vq: (Vintergatan = The milky way)
02:18 PM phipli: A lot of northwestern europe speaks germanic languages
02:19 PM phipli: related languages
02:19 PM phipli: funny coincidence how similar it is to winter garden...
02:19 PM phipli: (English is a germanic language)
02:21 PM phipli: Influenced by the spread of the Roman empire - the bits they invaded mostly speak Romance derived languages - similar to Latin, but Latin was spoken by the posh Italians, Romance was spoken by people like the soldiers (if I remember / was told correctly)
02:22 PM Vq: Garden/garten would be trädgård in swedish though.
02:22 PM phipli: British Isle speaks a Germanic language because it was right on the edge of the influence of the Roman empire, and there were later waves of invasion / immigration from the germanic bit
02:22 PM phipli: Vg : lol
02:23 PM phipli: so... what is Garten in swedish then?
02:23 PM phipli: because it is a Germanic language - I double checked :)
02:23 PM Vq: There is some overlap between swedish and german, but this word is not one of them. :)
02:23 PM phipli: English is weird
02:24 PM phipli: we are fundamentally Germanic, but with a huge Latin / Romance influence due to religion and Norman invasion
02:24 PM Vq: Garten is a german word which translates to trädgård in swedish.
02:24 PM phipli: for years our ruling classes spoke a different language (French) to everyone else
02:24 PM Vq: Gatan as in the name of the band translates to Straße in german.
02:25 PM Vq: Road in english i believe.
02:25 PM phipli: trädgård looks almost like the welsh word for "mutation" as in the letter at the start of a word changing depending on what came before
02:26 PM phipli: "Treiglad" (had to check the spelling, my Welsh is... rusty!)
02:27 PM andypugh: I am tidying my project room. And I have decided to throw away every single SCART cable, as I never expect to use one ever again.
02:27 PM phipli: andypugh, you'll regret it next week
02:27 PM phipli: keep one
02:27 PM Vq: It's kind of a composite word, träd means tree and gård means something like farm or farmyard.
02:28 PM Vq: The meaning is the same as garden though, despite the composition.
02:30 PM phipli: What is the Swedish word for body?
02:31 PM Vq: Kropp
02:31 PM phipli: similar to Körper
02:31 PM Vq: Himlakropp = Celestial body
02:31 PM phipli: only side meanings from that root exist in English
02:33 PM phipli: anyways
02:33 PM phipli: dinner time
02:51 PM andypugh: I noticed, when working in Sweden, that some words are identical to an English word, but in most cases it is a more “forceful” option in English. One example being “drag” which means “pull”. You can drag things in English, but only if they don’t want to be pulled :-)
03:12 PM Tom_L: i wonder how much language changes say over a 50-75 yr span
03:14 PM SpeedEvil: We don't quite have enough data for that yet.
03:14 PM SpeedEvil: ^nearly enough
03:15 PM Tom_L: and how many new words or phrases are introduced during the same period
03:15 PM SpeedEvil: as any data we have is horribly contaminated by the effect of trans-accent mixing.
03:18 PM pflanze: Question: the HAL that's in LinuxCNC, is this the HAL from http://hal.freedesktop.org/ which is deprecated in Linux and not in Debian at all since Jessie?
03:19 PM cpresser: pflanze: no
03:19 PM pflanze: OK, thought so. How comes it's got that confusing name?
03:20 PM cpresser: because people choose arbitrary names for projects
03:20 PM cpresser: HardwareAbstractionLayer is quite generic
03:20 PM cpresser: I assume multiple projects use that name
03:23 PM pflanze: It would make sense to mention that on http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HAL
03:23 PM cpresser: feel free to change it :)
03:23 PM pflanze: Also, it would make sense to link or explain the other acronyms used.
03:23 PM pflanze: NML, emc
03:25 PM pflanze: Yes people can choose arbitrary names but since LinuxCNC is Debian, choosing a name that there's no Debian package for already would have made sense.
03:26 PM pflanze: ("hal" was a package until squeeze)
03:26 PM pflanze: ehr, wheezy
03:27 PM cpresser: i don't feel like defending that choice. I did not make it. Nevertheless its a good name since it describes what it is
03:33 PM cpresser: linuxcnc HAL is older..
03:33 PM cpresser: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/hal/commit/?id=a137318d81927b34d311ac3e5d32c19d03fad310
03:33 PM cpresser: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/commit/c7060494ade33856a603e36161a61559a46a194b
03:39 PM pflanze: Hm, I think I remember the "HAL" term from my start with linux though which was in 1998.
03:41 PM gloops: well mixed results from my first tests with motors on the machine, y axis is fine, x axis seems underpowered, not much resistance to make it lose steps - not got a spindle on it yet just applying force by hand, might be ok
03:42 PM gloops: thats with 425oz nema 23
03:45 PM gloops: will probably look at getting more voltage and changing the gearing, 10 tooth sprocket seems very stiff to start with
03:46 PM andypugh: The STMBL motor drivers also have their own version of LinuxCNC HAL running on the drives, that is how you configure feedback type and motor parameters.
04:20 PM Deejay: gn8
05:16 PM gloops: anyone want to explain step timing?
05:20 PM Tom_L: _----_----_---- or __--__--__-- or ____----____----____----
05:20 PM BeachBumPete: hehehe
05:20 PM Tom_L: how big a pulse it needs
05:21 PM * Tom_L smacks BeachBumPete
05:21 PM gloops: ok....----
05:21 PM Tom_L: step and space
05:22 PM gloops: right, makes sense now
05:22 PM gloops: so in practical terms, if i had step time set to 20000 and my driver requires 500, what happens?
05:22 PM Tom_L: ascii art better than 1k words
05:23 PM gloops: step and space - thats easy to remember
06:05 PM andypugh: Oh, he left
06:09 PM Roguish: hey all. is the email up? last email i received was 8/7
06:10 PM Tom_L: andypugh i think i'm getting close with the orient code but a relay stuck and threw me for a curve chasing the spindle problem
06:10 PM JT-Shop: now that you mention that I've not seen any emails for a day or two
06:11 PM * Tom_L gives JT-Shop a few of his
06:12 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop do you have a preference for logic switched power relays?
06:12 PM Tom_L: i'd like to find a din mounted one
06:13 PM JT-Shop: logic = 5v?
06:13 PM Tom_L: preferred
06:13 PM Loetmichel: hmmm. anyone here any idea where to get those "hot and cold" water dispensers with the upside down water gallon on top in germany? for cheap if possible...
06:13 PM Tom_L: 24 seems more available
06:13 PM JT-Shop: I've just used the ardweenie ones
06:14 PM Tom_L: yeah that's what these were
06:14 PM JT-Shop: yea 24v is more industrial standard
06:14 PM Tom_L: i wanna find a better one this round
06:14 PM Tom_L: one stuck and popped some stuff
06:14 PM Tom_L: nothing too major
06:15 PM JT-Shop: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=74_77&product_id=131
06:16 PM Tom_L: nice one
06:16 PM Tom_L: do you have them?
06:16 PM JT-Shop: that's the best you can get AB
06:16 PM JT-Shop: a few yes
06:17 PM Tom_L: 90v ~600 ma is what it's switching as far as i can tell
06:17 PM Tom_L: DC
06:17 PM Tom_L: i have an opto that will drive that i'm pretty sure
06:17 PM andypugh: Roguish: Did you respond to the email from Sourceforge, or were you one of those who decided it was Spam>
06:18 PM Tom_L: do you know what the coil current is?
06:18 PM JT-Shop: no, you can goooogle the part number and find that
06:18 PM Roguish: andypugh: ok, what email?
06:18 PM andypugh: There was an email sent to all subscribers from Sourceforge
06:19 PM Tom_L: put a couple in a slingshot and send em this way :D
06:19 PM Roguish: must of missed that one.
06:19 PM andypugh: Important Account Information - Reconfirm Mailing List Subscriptions - sent 6th of June, but arrived 10th according to my mail
06:20 PM andypugh: A bunch of folk on the mailing list refused to believe it was real.
06:20 PM Roguish: i have nothing past the 7th, and only forum messages from the 6th
06:22 PM andypugh: Yes, looks like you need to resubscribe
06:23 PM andypugh: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
06:23 PM Roguish: andypugh: ok just did that for both users and developers. thanks.
06:24 PM Roguish: and confirmed back
06:29 PM Tom_itx: JT-Shop, those have screw terminals don't they?
06:35 PM JT-Shop: on the base yes
06:35 PM Tom_L: i'm gettin 2 right now
06:35 PM Tom_L: i didn't find the coil current
06:36 PM JT-Shop: let me see
06:36 PM Tom_itx: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Schneider-Electric/RSB2A080BD/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduimHO8XzlsjWOnBOn4efcfrMgA4uVmiEVWLgCB0zNgYEA%3d%3d
06:36 PM Tom_itx: was similar
06:38 PM Tom_itx: min switching current 5ma
06:39 PM JT-Shop: 6a 30dc switching
06:39 PM phipli: time to be brave
06:39 PM phipli: time to update the firmware on my motherboard...
06:39 PM phipli: brb (hopefully)
06:39 PM Tom_itx: coil current??
06:39 PM JT-Shop: 5.8a ac 120v
06:40 PM Tom_itx: that's alot
06:40 PM Tom_itx: that's the contacts i think
06:40 PM JT-Shop: don't see the coil current on the relay just the switching cap
06:40 PM Tom_itx: yeah same here
06:41 PM Tom_itx: that one on mouser is similar and will do ok so i think i'll be alright
06:41 PM JT-Shop: btw I have a ton of electrical stuff to sell so if you need something let me know and I'll get it listed
06:42 PM Tom_itx: from your bud's place?
06:42 PM JT-Shop: yea from our business
06:42 PM Tom_itx: any of those SPDT?
06:43 PM Tom_itx: i may get one of those too just so i can din mount all the relays
06:43 PM JT-Shop: no they are all dpdt
06:43 PM Tom_itx: ahh i see, the other one was 120v
06:43 PM JT-Shop: http://literature.rockwellautomation.com/idc/groups/literature/documents/td/700-td552_-en-p.pdf
06:44 PM Tom_itx: i think i had that open already :D
06:45 PM Tom_itx: ok now i gotta see if i have the optos to drive them still
06:49 PM phipli: urgh. hate doing firmware updates
06:51 PM phipli: anyways.
06:51 PM phipli: night folks
06:59 PM Tom_itx: JT-Shop, ok i got 3
07:01 PM Tom_itx: found my opto drivers
07:01 PM Tom_itx: do those have diodes on the coil side?
07:13 PM BeachBumPete: hey guys got a question about f360
07:13 PM BeachBumPete: lets say you have drawn a simple rectangle
07:13 PM BeachBumPete: using single elements/lines
07:13 PM BeachBumPete: once the form is closed the program seems to make it a single rectangular entity
07:14 PM BeachBumPete: IE if you click on any of the segments it highlights the entire form
07:15 PM BeachBumPete: lets say you wanted to offset one of the segments is there a way to just select that single element and not the entire form? In other programs you would need to break it up but not sure in F360
07:18 PM andypugh: Let me load it up and look.
07:25 PM andypugh: BeachBumPete: When I started I got edges one by one, or the whole rectangle if I clicked nearer the middle.
07:26 PM andypugh: But after plating with the “Select” menu item and exprimenting with selction priorties, I can’t select anything…
07:27 PM andypugh: OK, selecting “repeat select edge priority” from the radial menu has brought back the normal behaviour.
07:31 PM BeachBumPete: hm
07:31 PM BeachBumPete: not sure what you are talking about with radial menu
07:32 PM andypugh: Clearly “repeat….” will only be there if you have previously seleted it from the other menu
07:32 PM BeachBumPete: I select offset and click on the edge of the rectangle
07:33 PM andypugh: That’s what Autodesk call that wierd right-click menu of theirs.
07:33 PM BeachBumPete: the whole rectangle highlights and shows the current offset number
07:33 PM andypugh: So, you need to select edge priority in the select menu
07:33 PM BeachBumPete: it shows the approximate results in red
07:34 PM andypugh: Ah, hang on. Offset only ever works with a whole curve.
07:35 PM BeachBumPete: OK I clicked edge priority and it still highlights the whole thing
07:35 PM andypugh: If you want to move just one edge, just drag it.
07:35 PM BeachBumPete: huh?
07:35 PM BeachBumPete: I use offset almost constantly for both shapes as well as individual lines
07:36 PM andypugh: In Fusion?
07:36 PM BeachBumPete: that and the pattern feature for creating geometry
07:36 PM andypugh: Not Move (M) ?
07:36 PM BeachBumPete: no in basically everything else
07:36 PM BeachBumPete: I like offset because I can just input the move distance its quicker
07:36 PM BeachBumPete: also maintains the orientation
07:37 PM BeachBumPete: even trying to click move or just select the entity does the same thing tho
07:37 PM andypugh: OK, well you can do that (I found out) by slecting the lines first then selecting “offset” or pressing “o”
07:38 PM BeachBumPete: you must have a setting different than me somewhere
07:38 PM BeachBumPete: when I click either of the general shapes I have drawn here anywhere the entire shape highlights
07:39 PM andypugh: Even if you are not in Offset mode (yet)
07:40 PM BeachBumPete: yes
07:40 PM andypugh: But, as I have said several times, maybe you need to set Edge Priority in Select.
07:40 PM BeachBumPete: are those dropdown menus active with the little up turned arrow or the X?
07:40 PM BeachBumPete: I did that I thought
07:41 PM BeachBumPete: drop down menu Select, Selection Priority, Select Edge Priority...
07:44 PM andypugh: I found those menus hard to follow
07:44 PM BeachBumPete: AGREED
07:44 PM andypugh: But you can try the same command from the Radial Menu now.
07:45 PM BeachBumPete: it is hard to tell if it is active or not
07:45 PM BeachBumPete: you mean when you right click and get that grey circular menu correct?
07:48 PM andypugh: I am on a Mac, it will look different
07:48 PM andypugh: But, yeah, probably
07:48 PM BeachBumPete: ah
07:49 PM BeachBumPete: I have been TRYING to design this new product using the program to not only learn but evaluate whether I should switch to it from my current stuff. MOST of it looks promising but there are some annoyances like this I am sure are simple to work around or remedy but alas the curve...
07:51 PM BeachBumPete: I especially like the smart trim options very nice