#linuxcnc Logs

Aug 09 2017

01:30 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
01:33 AM IchGucksLive: off 2 garden
02:28 AM Deejay: moin
03:46 AM _abc_: Hi. For dressing slide ways, does one use a specific kind of spokeshave or is there a specific different tool for scraping? A link would be useful. Note I am not American ... go easy on strange local providers of tools and or names of things...
03:46 AM _abc_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spokeshave this is what I meant by *s
05:02 AM McBride36 is now known as Guest97101
05:46 AM jthornton: morning
05:46 AM enleth: Adamj12b-mobile: I don't remember if it is, but if not, you don't even have to look for a LCNC-specific solution for that - it's more or less just a Debian system with a patched kernel and an extra software repository, when it comes to userspace stuff like installing system services and software you can go look for generic Debian-related solutions, no need to stick to LCNC forums etc.
05:47 AM enleth: that said, I think x11vnc was installed already
05:47 AM enleth: which is a quick-and-dirty ad-hoc VNC server
05:48 AM enleth: you might want to set up a proper VNC service with authentication and stuff
05:48 AM Adamj12b-mobile: Thanks. I did a bit of testing last night with remote X over shh that was mentioned and failed miserable.
05:49 AM Adamj12b-mobile: I dont think the computer has enough extra power to do it well.
05:50 AM Adamj12b-mobile: This was going to be just intranet. Not over the web.
05:52 AM enleth: you mean it was choppy and laggy?
05:53 AM enleth: X forwarding requires close to nothing as far as resources go, remember that it was invented in the 80s and worked on the computers they had back then
06:00 AM Adamj12b-mobile: Hmmm good point.
06:00 AM Adamj12b-mobile: The first time i got a broken pipe error and the connection closed.
06:02 AM Adamj12b-mobile: When I tried again, after about 2 minutes after issuing the linucnc command, the axis tool change window came up, then 2 minutes later, the linuxcnc splash. Once the splash went away, i never saw anything else.
06:04 AM enleth: looks like a network issue really
06:06 AM Adamj12b-mobile: I thought that as well. But have to pull a cable to get a better connection.
06:07 AM Adamj12b-mobile: Ill try a direct connection with my laptop and see if that solves it.
07:07 AM * jthornton has ZoneMinder up and running on Debian 9 :)
07:14 AM jthornton: wow I can see the inside of the chicken coop on ZM and don't have to use explorer
07:17 AM SpeedEvil: yay
07:38 AM _methods: gotta love the zoneminder
07:51 AM JT-Shop: a guy from the Ukraine selected pay by check...
08:51 AM jdh: uh huh
08:51 AM _methods: sounds legit
09:16 AM adamj12b-web: enleth: I tried X forwarding on one of my linux machines at work. IDK how I never found this before... performance is great. Ill have to figure out whats going on with the network at home.
10:37 AM mtpocketscnc: i have linuxcnc sim running on arch linux and everythings seems to work fine except image-to-gcode doesn't seem to be working. Does anyone know what I might be missing?
10:40 AM mtpocketscnc: i can use image to gcode on machine computer fine but want to be able to mess with image-to-gcode on my laptop while away from that computer
10:40 AM archivist: we cannot see error messages
10:48 AM skunkworks: mtpocketscnc, run linuxcnc from commandline and pastebin the output
10:50 AM mtpocketscnc: https://pastebin.com/gHvjXysX
10:51 AM archivist: wrong version of something?
10:53 AM mtpocketscnc: i was thinking the same but not sure how to go about finding out
10:54 AM skunkworks: sounds like it is a python issue.. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41679288/kivy-notimplementederror-tostring-has-been-removed
10:54 AM archivist: are you running python 3 rather than 2.something
10:54 AM skunkworks: (but I don't know if the above is of help in this situation...)
10:56 AM cradek: https://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy/reference/generated/numpy.ndarray.tostring.html
10:56 AM cradek: tostring and tobytes do the same thing, and your version of numpy may've removed the compatibility alias
10:57 AM cradek: wait it's PIL not numpy
10:59 AM cradek: but hey, it's been almost a whole two months since we had to fix gratuitous breakage from PIL! (see c7c7ff4db303)
10:59 AM cradek: mtpocketscnc: if you'd fix/test/submit a pull request it would be great
11:04 AM Guest97101 is now known as McBride36
12:19 PM phiplii: evening
12:21 PM JT-Shop: afternoon
12:22 PM Deejay: no, evening ;)
12:23 PM JT-Shop: Tiny Whoop parts arrive today... going to be hard to keep my mind on work lol
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: cradek: still here
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: Tom_L: did a test show how
12:53 PM Zebs: Hi!
12:54 PM Zebs: Wow, crowded.
12:54 PM Zebs: Anyone have a decent guide for setting up GRBL for a custom CNC?
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: why not standard G-codoe
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: Zebs: welcoime im in germany
12:55 PM Zebs: Hi!
12:55 PM Zebs: Thanks.
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: First do you got a cnc
12:55 PM Zebs: Well... I'm using a set of 28BYJ-48 motors connected to an Arduino.
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: there arte many types
12:56 PM Tom_L: IchGucksLive, i did the test and figured out a couple things
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: oh arduino is not the best for precision
12:56 PM Tom_L: it's not working just yet but closer
12:56 PM Tom_L: setting it up to do the remap stuff
12:56 PM Zebs: I have assembled a CNC plotter with them, and a servo to lift the pen. I can jog the motors and lift the pen from the GCode Sender.
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: Tom_L: as long as you are on the way
12:56 PM Tom_L: yup
12:56 PM Zebs: I'm not worried about precision.
12:57 PM Zebs: This is a simple proof of concept.
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: ok
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: then why gbrl as arduio takes g-code
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: pcb can output g-code
12:58 PM Zebs: One moment.
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: Zebs: http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/pcb_milling.jpg
12:59 PM Zebs: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwAgplGeEjGPTnB5UXJnMzRMemc/view
12:59 PM Zebs: This is the schematic I am using.
12:59 PM Zebs: The controllers are a basic Darlington array.
12:59 PM Zebs: Those are some nicely milled PCBs.
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: NP so maybe if you like to stay on gbrl EAGLE can output the gbrl data
01:02 PM Zebs: Need to figure out GRBL. I am not sure how to give it the right bounding and speed.
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: did you read the full advice on the given projekt
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: i only see the projekts German advice
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: you may not be able to read german
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: http://letsgoingwiki.reutlingen-university.de/mediawiki/index.php/Wissen:_grbl
01:06 PM JT-Shop: Zebs: phiplii does GRBL
01:06 PM phiplii: hum?
01:07 PM Zebs: I'll read through this, thanks!
01:07 PM Tom_L: now why didn't i make a drawing of that wiring...
01:10 PM phiplii: Zebs : hardly worth building the driver circuits
01:10 PM phiplii: these things are so cheap : https://www.banggood.com/CNC-Shield-UNO-R3-Board-4-X-DRV8825-Driver-Kit-For-Arduino-3D-Printer-p-1134845.html?rmmds=search
01:12 PM phiplii: This was done with a GRBL board : http://elephantandchicken.co.uk/projects/LEDboard0.jpg
01:15 PM Zebs: While that is super cheap, these boards came with the motors.
01:15 PM Zebs: And I'm capable of jogging and lifting the pen.
01:15 PM Zebs: The main issue at the moment is configuring GRBL.
01:16 PM Zebs: Which is not a task I am familiar with.
01:16 PM phiplii: Zebs : quick solution
01:16 PM Zebs: Sure.
01:16 PM Zebs: Following.
01:16 PM phiplii: go to http://chilipeppr.com/grbl
01:16 PM phiplii: you might need to install serial-port-json-server
01:16 PM phiplii: connect to your arduino (assume it has GRBL installed)
01:17 PM Zebs: It does.
01:17 PM phiplii: use the little gear icon in the "GRBL" panel to set parameters
01:17 PM phiplii: you'll need to do some maths for some of them
01:17 PM phiplii: or guess, measure, adjust
01:17 PM phiplii: anyway
01:17 PM phiplii: I need to go to the pub sorry - girlfriend is waiting in the hallway
01:18 PM Zebs: Well, I'll see what I can make of this. Thanks!
01:19 PM phiplii: I'll sign in with my phone in a bit :)
01:20 PM Phipliv: Tada!
01:20 PM Zebs: Huzzah!
01:20 PM Zebs: Mobile now, are we?
01:22 PM Deejay: wow
01:22 PM JT-Shop: phiplii: only took 5 minutes to put the Tiny Whoop together, just need props and the fpv camera
01:22 PM Zebs: So, now I need to find a test pattern, I think.
01:25 PM IchGucksLive: Zebs: make a square and a circle in it
01:28 PM Phiplv: Zebs : I am (had to walk to the pub)
01:29 PM Phiplv: JT-Shop : seen the video of someone flying in Paris?
01:29 PM Phiplv: They must handle well
01:30 PM Phiplv: Zebs : there is a test pattern in the menu in Chillieppr
01:30 PM Phiplv: top left
01:35 PM IchGucksLive: Zebs: are you in europ ?
01:35 PM IchGucksLive: hi mtpocketscnc
01:37 PM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc: here are our most simple creators for almost all use
01:37 PM IchGucksLive: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_LinuxCNC_G-Code_Generators
01:46 PM Zebs: I am not.
01:50 PM JT-Shop: phiplii: yes I saw that
01:51 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8
01:58 PM Zebs: Phiplv, what do I do once I've done so?
02:00 PM JT-Shop: I wonder if my Dad ever wore this gun belt he gave me... feels pretty comfortable to wear
02:09 PM Phiplv: Zebs : Where have you got to?
02:20 PM Zebs: Well, I'm at the office at the moment, but I'll be able to plug in and get the site talking to the device.
02:21 PM Zebs: I'd imagine that after that, there's be quite a bit of collission.
02:21 PM Zebs: This is a small device.
02:22 PM Phiplv: The serial json server thing is cool
02:22 PM Phiplv: lets you connect over your network
02:23 PM Phiplv: runs on arm processors as well
02:23 PM Zebs: The end goal is to be able to dump images straight from a converter, and have the device draw them.
02:23 PM Zebs: The measurements are not terribly critical so much as the scaling.
02:23 PM Zebs: Fits on the canvas, kind of deal.
02:23 PM Phiplv: so you can plug your machine into a tiny SBC like the Raspberry pi and connect from miles away
02:24 PM Zebs: That's pretty sweet.
02:24 PM Zebs: In the end, I'll be attaching a Pi to each of these, but they'll be fairly stationary.
02:26 PM Zebs: Previously they'd draw, but it was hard to figure out what part of an image they would consider safe to draw.
02:49 PM nitrxgen: so i ordered a 3020t :o
02:50 PM nitrxgen: first ever cnc
02:51 PM SpeedEvil: yay
02:57 PM nitrxgen: having never used a cnc, would it be simple to add a 4th axis? as in to rotate an object
03:00 PM JT-Shop: might want to learn 3 axis first
03:00 PM nitrxgen: id like to cut out, in simple terms, a long diagonal slanted cut across a tube - would leave sharp edges, but the best way would be to rotate the tube and use a uh, mill bit, idk terminology, and make sexy non sharp edges
03:00 PM nitrxgen: of course, and i plan to, just wondering if its possible, or if its just a total hack job to add it
03:18 PM SpeedEvil: yes, you can.
03:19 PM SpeedEvil: But, adding one in a rigid manner that is stiff enough to work during machining, while being precise enough and fast enough and not too large is often hard.
03:24 PM XXCoder: 91f today here. shop's going to be hot
03:24 PM XXCoder: 100f+
04:29 PM Deejay: gn8
05:33 PM archivist: nitrxgen, A axis does not need to be fast, will be easy depending on what the tube is made of
05:35 PM archivist: nitrxgen, the only difficulty will be machine and tube rigidity, may need to add some support
05:53 PM Tom_L: support the opposite end
05:53 PM nitrxgen: yeah, maybe thatll be a future thing
05:54 PM archivist: I did a helix on very small bar and supported the length and end
05:54 PM nitrxgen: ye
05:54 PM archivist: but the cut is one line of gcode :)
05:55 PM nitrxgen: i have those bearing things inside a bracket
05:55 PM nitrxgen: i was aiming to make something simialr last year and bought various pieces but life got in the way
05:55 PM archivist: the set up http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=worm+merlin
05:55 PM nitrxgen: i should be able to nail the support/rigidity
05:56 PM archivist: you sound like you want to endmill the slot so simpler
05:56 PM nitrxgen: but i was asking about the difficulty of hooking up an extra stepper to turn said bar
05:56 PM nitrxgen: /tube
05:56 PM archivist: simple same as other axes
05:57 PM nitrxgen: cool
05:57 PM archivist: you can see I used a rotary table with added stepper
05:58 PM nitrxgen: i can, cool
05:58 PM nitrxgen: things look so easy to make when you have a workshop full of machines xP
06:02 PM nitrxgen: only thing now i think is it seems like this cnc will come with a parallel port, i dont have that lol
06:03 PM archivist: find a cheap pc, some have a header internally
06:03 PM archivist: add an interface card (not a usb one)
06:03 PM nitrxgen: no usb?
06:04 PM archivist: no, poor latency for realtime
06:30 PM CaptHindsight: nitrxgen: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WCH PCIe LPT card
06:30 PM nitrxgen: yeah i guessed it would be one of those things
06:54 PM BeachBumPete: Well hopefully I will have my standoff kits here by the weekend so I can work on this electronics panel :)
06:58 PM CaptHindsight: like these ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/300Pcs-Nylon-Hex-Spacer-M3-Screw-Nylon-Nut-Separator-Kit-Standoff-Set-PCB-Hot-/263130253869
06:58 PM BeachBumPete: yeah similar
06:59 PM CaptHindsight: or did you splurge for the brass set?
07:00 PM BeachBumPete: http://www.ebay.com/itm/350557432028?ul_noapp=true
07:00 PM BeachBumPete: http://www.ebay.com/itm/M3NH1-M3-Nylon-Screw-Black-Hex-Screw-Nut-Nylon-PCB-Standoff-Assortment-Kit-300pc/263074571993?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
07:01 PM BeachBumPete: those are what I got...
07:01 PM CaptHindsight: most sets haven't been too bad
07:01 PM BeachBumPete: well I did the whole cincinatti setup with that first set or at least one that was quite similar
07:01 PM BeachBumPete: I am actually thinking the second set might be better for this tho
07:02 PM CaptHindsight: what has happened to me is when I order one particular size stand-off and they send the wrong size
07:02 PM BeachBumPete: ah that sucks
07:02 PM CaptHindsight: same for small metric fasteners
07:02 PM BeachBumPete: jeez man what the hell is going on with school supplies and clothes today....
07:02 PM CaptHindsight: order M3 and M4 shows up
07:03 PM CaptHindsight: how many million did you spend?
07:03 PM BeachBumPete: I just have two kids here and we are ALREADY over $600 and I have not even finished yet
07:03 PM CaptHindsight: the worst is the dumb TI calculator they try to make you buy
07:03 PM BeachBumPete: Actually I have a few of those
07:03 PM CaptHindsight: we even had to buy books
07:04 PM BeachBumPete: apparently the one they use this year is only like $20
07:04 PM CaptHindsight: then they would buy them back at the end of the year
07:04 PM BeachBumPete: its insane
07:04 PM BeachBumPete: I am probably gonna be at a grand here before I get clothes for my older kid
07:05 PM BeachBumPete: NO wonder I never have cash to buy CNC stuff ;)
07:06 PM CaptHindsight: I recall a few times getting lots of new clothes right before a growth spurt
07:06 PM CaptHindsight: 2 months later nothing fits
07:06 PM CaptHindsight: shows by two sizes
07:06 PM BeachBumPete: OUCH
07:07 PM CaptHindsight: happened a lot between 11-15
07:07 PM CaptHindsight: shows/shoes
07:08 PM BeachBumPete: and even cheap shoes now are like $75 at least
07:08 PM CaptHindsight: even worse when they have ice skates
07:08 PM CaptHindsight: blades and boots have to fit just right
07:09 PM CaptHindsight: later it's cars, colleges, etc etc
07:10 PM BeachBumPete: I know right
07:10 PM BeachBumPete: IM SCREWED
07:10 PM CaptHindsight: heh, when I moved out to the country I noticed lots of teen pregnancies
07:11 PM CaptHindsight: can't imagine what those moms and kids go through
07:12 PM BeachBumPete: better get this damn CNC lathe operational and get the toolchanger fixed so I can make as much cash as possible LOL
07:12 PM CaptHindsight: can't hurt
07:13 PM BeachBumPete: I had two more people contact me today about parts they want both of them want multiple parts so that is always nice.
07:14 PM BeachBumPete: it was interesting juggling work and messages to both of them at the same time hehe
07:14 PM CaptHindsight: not good when the phone stops ringing
07:14 PM CaptHindsight: or the emails about projects
07:15 PM BeachBumPete: well its kinda hard to install wall cabinets by yourself and text facebook messages to new customers simultaneously.... DAMN I'm good LOL
07:17 PM CaptHindsight: I got a 40 dark stained oak door panels from Ikea for $1ea
07:18 PM CaptHindsight: ~14" x 40"
07:19 PM CaptHindsight: I occasionally stop by the local one and check the bargain bin
07:20 PM CaptHindsight: one time I found 6 kitchen cabinets ~36" wide for $5ea
07:20 PM CaptHindsight: what do the cheapo melamine DIY kits sell for?
07:20 PM CaptHindsight: $50-100?
07:22 PM CaptHindsight: the universe got even by flooding my shop with 6" of water the night I left them on the floor while reorganizing
07:23 PM CaptHindsight: new rule: everything on pallets
07:27 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Fabritec-30x30x12-5-in-Alexandria-Wall-Cabinet-in-White-Melamine-and-Door-in-White-W3030-W-ALEXA/205360555 $122ea
07:30 PM CaptHindsight: wow only 45lbs per shelf http://www.homedepot.com/p/Gladiator-Ready-to-Assemble-72-in-H-x-36-in-W-x-18-in-D-Steel-Freestanding-Garage-Cabinet-in-Silver-Tread-GALG36KDYG/204238960
07:31 PM BeachBumPete: Oh damn tha sux
07:31 PM CaptHindsight: so you really can't put anything on them
07:31 PM CaptHindsight: what ga are they 30?
07:32 PM BeachBumPete: I have no idea
07:32 PM CaptHindsight: i see them at auctions, the good ones
07:32 PM BeachBumPete: good metal cabinets are not cheap
07:32 PM CaptHindsight: I was going to just order sheet metal and make my own
07:33 PM CaptHindsight: i priced out so sheet to build 20 cabinets and it was only around $500
07:33 PM CaptHindsight: so/some
07:33 PM BeachBumPete: we recently did an entire kitchen with chinese cabinets in a box LOL
07:33 PM BeachBumPete: you have to glue and screw them together
07:33 PM CaptHindsight: think it was 16 or 18ga
07:33 PM BeachBumPete: actually they were surprisingly good
07:34 PM CaptHindsight: MDF with a thin film overlay?
07:34 PM BeachBumPete: the sidewalls were kinda thin tho maybe half inch but other than that everything fit nice and the finish was good
07:34 PM BeachBumPete: no actually they were plywood
07:34 PM BeachBumPete: finished ends were 3/4 inch but the rest of the carcasses were all that sub half inch stuff
07:35 PM BeachBumPete: honestly it took like 45 minutes each to assemble them
07:35 PM BeachBumPete: mostly because I clamped and glued the important parts
07:35 PM BeachBumPete: I think they were designed to be just screwed together tho
07:35 PM CaptHindsight: vs 2 1/4' dowel pins
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: made of composite
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: some are fine as long as you build them once, set them in place, and never move them again
07:36 PM BeachBumPete: well that is the general idea of all cabinets LOL
07:37 PM CaptHindsight: and never force a drawer or door
07:37 PM BeachBumPete: like I said as much as I hate to say it they were not bad at all
07:37 PM BeachBumPete: we have a box line of cabinets I won't mention the brand name
07:37 PM BeachBumPete: they were honestly better than those as far as build quality
07:37 PM CaptHindsight: i tried an o-sullivan desk once
07:38 PM BeachBumPete: dovetail drawers and hardwood faces
07:38 PM CaptHindsight: lasted about 2 years before it just wiggled apart
07:38 PM BeachBumPete: if they were MDF or particleboard I would not even consider using them but these were not that at all
07:39 PM CaptHindsight: I haven't seen any made of plywood as diy kits
07:39 PM CaptHindsight: not for 20 years
07:40 PM BeachBumPete: well these are plywood
07:40 PM CaptHindsight: I have to find some industrial racking
07:41 PM CaptHindsight: the orange type you see at Home Depot but they don't sell
07:41 PM BeachBumPete: Check craigslist or offer up
07:41 PM BeachBumPete: I see those all the time for sale
07:41 PM malcom2073: I see them at auctions fairly regularly at least around here
07:42 PM CaptHindsight: around here there are a few co's that must buy up all the auctions
07:42 PM malcom2073: Ah that sucks
07:42 PM BeachBumPete: I had this crazy idea once of using some of that stuff to build a frame for a large format router and Tig welding it all together
07:42 PM malcom2073: BeachBumPete: it's good steel tube
07:42 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, they always have used stock for 2-3x what I sometimes see on CL
07:43 PM BeachBumPete: I actually had a few pieces to play with in Tennessee for it but I had to give it away when we moved.
07:43 PM malcom2073: CaptHindsight: Drive a bit? Dunno where you are, but usually 4-5 hours would get you in another area out of the perview of companies near you
07:43 PM malcom2073: I go to auctions further south sometimes to get away from the amish
07:43 PM CaptHindsight: i often drive to get my deals
07:44 PM CaptHindsight: Chicago tends to have higher prices for many things
07:45 PM BeachBumPete: Yummy Dinner is here ;)
07:45 PM BeachBumPete: BB in a Bit
07:46 PM CaptHindsight: https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/bfd/d/cheap-warehouse-rack-and/6219778435.html
08:21 PM BeachBumPete: So I decided to TRY to design this new part I am working on using F360
08:21 PM BeachBumPete: been watching a few tutorial vids
08:22 PM BeachBumPete: right off the bat I had an issue LOL
08:22 PM BeachBumPete: I selected a plane and drew a rectangle
08:22 PM BeachBumPete: using the rectangle tool
08:22 PM BeachBumPete: and could not figure out how to dimension it heheh
08:23 PM BeachBumPete: I finally found the answer in a video you gotta hit TAB to scroll thru the two dimension windows
08:24 PM BeachBumPete: then I had to locate the rectangle and still trying to figure that one out LOL
08:26 PM BeachBumPete: also the program seems to take FOREVER to load up is that typical? I don't really seem to have that problem or at least to that extent with other similar programs
08:30 PM Adamj12b-mobile: BeachBumPete Hey, fusion starts on my mac in 20-30 seconds.
08:30 PM BeachBumPete: ok that is about what I am seeing actually
08:30 PM BeachBumPete: just seems like a LONG time LOL
08:31 PM BeachBumPete: actually I just opened it up and it took WAAAYYY longer than that
08:31 PM BeachBumPete: but once it opened it said it was updated to latest update now
08:31 PM BeachBumPete: and then linked me to their website
08:31 PM BeachBumPete: which had a lot on information about their SUMMER BLOCKBUSTER update LOL
08:32 PM BeachBumPete: so I suppose that is about right too then.
08:37 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Yea. A big update came out monday. It does sheetmetal now.
08:37 PM BeachBumPete: Woohoo
08:38 PM BeachBumPete: not that I do much sheetmetal
08:38 PM BeachBumPete: I need to watch a couple videos of people designing from sketch elements to 3d models
09:09 PM BeachBumPete: have any of you guys done any post processor editing on f360?
09:09 PM zeeshan: same as inventor
09:10 PM zeeshan: i have done it a lot lately on the side for work
09:10 PM BeachBumPete: zeeshan!!!
09:10 PM zeeshan: hi pete :D
09:10 PM BeachBumPete: whats up man!
09:10 PM BeachBumPete: have not spoken to you in awhile
09:10 PM zeeshan: https://youtu.be/gqUgB8KvpJM
09:10 PM zeeshan: this man
09:10 PM zeeshan: every weekend has been an outing
09:10 PM zeeshan: i love this summer
09:11 PM BeachBumPete: hehehe
09:11 PM zeeshan: you?
09:11 PM BeachBumPete: so you are now the Indiana Jones of Canadian Offroadin' ;_
09:11 PM zeeshan: rofl
09:11 PM zeeshan: i just off road to get to where i need to get to!
09:11 PM BeachBumPete: eh
09:11 PM zeeshan: the bush!
09:12 PM BeachBumPete: I still go kayak fishin a lot
09:12 PM BeachBumPete: did some surfin
09:12 PM zeeshan: nice man
09:12 PM BeachBumPete: got sunburnt as hell
09:12 PM zeeshan: i have a canoe with akayak hull
09:12 PM zeeshan: its a bit sketchy, but i like it
09:12 PM zeeshan: what are you trying to do to the post processor
09:12 PM BeachBumPete: mostly just working and playing with my drones and airguns
09:12 PM BeachBumPete: well not sure just yet
09:13 PM BeachBumPete: honestly there are several things I thought were necesary to change in other posts I made for the Cinci
09:13 PM zeeshan: there usually are to make it right for the machine
09:13 PM zeeshan: we bought a post processor..
09:13 PM zeeshan: and i still had to mod it
09:13 PM BeachBumPete: most important was the idea that upon a toolchange the head has to go up the column
09:13 PM zeeshan: lol
09:13 PM zeeshan: cant you do that using a g28
09:13 PM BeachBumPete: manual toolchange I mean
09:13 PM zeeshan: or g53
09:14 PM BeachBumPete: yeah I use G53 G0 Z0
09:14 PM BeachBumPete: but I had to figure out how to make the post do that
09:14 PM zeeshan: if you look under the post processor options..
09:14 PM zeeshan: there is a tag/variable thing
09:14 PM BeachBumPete: also after the program I like the table to center and come forward
09:14 PM zeeshan: that uses "use G28"
09:14 PM zeeshan: say no to that
09:14 PM zeeshan: itll default to g53 then
09:14 PM BeachBumPete: ok cool
09:15 PM BeachBumPete: also was wondering about the wording for tapping
09:15 PM zeeshan: since you have linuxcnc
09:15 PM BeachBumPete: have you used this post for your machine at all?
09:15 PM zeeshan: the linuxcnc post is pretty damn good
09:15 PM zeeshan: yes
09:15 PM BeachBumPete: does it tap correctly?
09:15 PM zeeshan: yes
09:15 PM BeachBumPete: sure would be nice to NOT have to modify every one
09:15 PM BeachBumPete: wow thats excellent
09:16 PM BeachBumPete: I think I am gonna like this shit
09:16 PM zeeshan: a lotta people are using it on the tormach
09:16 PM zeeshan: so they had to make it work
09:16 PM BeachBumPete: ah sweet
09:16 PM zeeshan: now for a dual spindle lathe with y axis and live tooling
09:16 PM zeeshan: it does not work out of the box :(
09:16 PM BeachBumPete: go figure
09:17 PM zeeshan: ive been working with our reseller
09:17 PM BeachBumPete: bastards ;_
09:17 PM zeeshan: and a programmer in portugal for nexgencam
09:17 PM zeeshan: to make it work
09:17 PM zeeshan: its a lot of frigging work
09:17 PM BeachBumPete: is this for your lathe retrofit?
09:17 PM zeeshan: no for work work
09:17 PM BeachBumPete: ah k
09:17 PM zeeshan: ive been helping them out get the machines going with hsm
09:18 PM zeeshan: the machinists are starting to use it
09:18 PM zeeshan: its nice to see!
09:18 PM zeeshan: SEE YOU LATER CONVERSATIONAL!!!
09:18 PM zeeshan: garbage!!
09:18 PM zeeshan: :)
09:18 PM BeachBumPete: apparently the new update has HSM toolpaths in it?
09:18 PM zeeshan: it should be the same as inventor
09:18 PM zeeshan: they have adaptive tool paths
09:18 PM zeeshan: 2d and 3d
09:19 PM zeeshan: adaptive = high speed
09:19 PM BeachBumPete: I remember just a few years ago I dreamed of something like this LOL
09:19 PM BeachBumPete: yeah I know
09:20 PM BeachBumPete: I just bought a toy for myself tonight I am all giddy like a schoolgirl over here
09:20 PM BeachBumPete: been wanting another PCP air rifle
09:20 PM BeachBumPete: got an almost brand new one for a smokin deal from a fellow shooter
09:20 PM BeachBumPete: he is shipping it tomorrow morning
09:21 PM BeachBumPete: now I gotta figure out where I am gonna get another high pressure cylinder because mine has expired unfortunately since I never use it anymore
09:21 PM BeachBumPete: due to not having a PCP rifle to play with.
09:21 PM zeeshan: whats pcp
09:21 PM BeachBumPete: Pre Charged Pneumatic
09:22 PM BeachBumPete: 3k PSI charge pressure
09:22 PM zeeshan: ah
09:22 PM zeeshan: http://i.imgur.com/YMITero.png
09:22 PM zeeshan: thats the kind of stuff we're making with the lathe now
09:22 PM zeeshan: before it was w/ the mill
09:22 PM BeachBumPete: is that with the live tooling?
09:22 PM zeeshan: yes
09:22 PM BeachBumPete: sweet
09:22 PM zeeshan: it does c-axis orientation
09:23 PM zeeshan: along with live axis
09:23 PM zeeshan: its nuts to watch
09:23 PM zeeshan: i neeeeeeeeeeeeeed!
09:23 PM BeachBumPete: I am STILL Latheless :(
09:23 PM zeeshan: same
09:23 PM zeeshan: haha
09:23 PM BeachBumPete: I AM however now working on it.
09:23 PM zeeshan: its so weird man
09:23 PM zeeshan: the post processor converts all that crap
09:23 PM zeeshan: from xyz coordinates
09:23 PM zeeshan: to xzc coordinates
09:23 PM BeachBumPete: just pulled the whole electronics panel out to start setting up the boards
09:24 PM zeeshan: i aint touching mine till the winter
09:24 PM zeeshan: im suprised you're not fishing!!!!!!!!
09:24 PM zeeshan: :D
09:24 PM BeachBumPete: I started paying my next door neighbors son to mow my lawn :)
09:24 PM zeeshan: haha
09:24 PM BeachBumPete: he has a nice zero turn
09:24 PM BeachBumPete: so now I don't spend the weekends working on the damn lawn
09:25 PM zeeshan: lawns are the biggest waste of time
09:25 PM BeachBumPete: we fish a lot
09:25 PM zeeshan: it just never ends
09:25 PM BeachBumPete: I know right... we need to come up with an alternative
09:25 PM zeeshan: set it all on fire
09:25 PM zeeshan: replace with gravel
09:25 PM BeachBumPete: like a mulch lawn or something
09:25 PM zeeshan: or a garden :D
09:25 PM BeachBumPete: I am going to put a nice big above ground pool back there which will help
09:26 PM zeeshan: i went to my friends cottage up north
09:26 PM zeeshan: you know wtf is going on with his lawn?
09:26 PM BeachBumPete: and we will have a deck and pad for the grill etc.
09:26 PM zeeshan: he's got grass all over
09:26 PM zeeshan: guess what his weeds are?
09:26 PM BeachBumPete: grass?
09:26 PM zeeshan: not goddamn dandelions
09:26 PM BeachBumPete: damn
09:26 PM zeeshan: but he's got wild strawberries growing as weeds..
09:26 PM zeeshan: how the hell do i get stuck with dandelions
09:26 PM BeachBumPete: yummy
09:27 PM BeachBumPete: reminds me of that commercial where the guy is out doing his lawn all nice
09:27 PM BeachBumPete: and he sees his little daughter come out
09:27 PM BeachBumPete: and she picks up a dandelion puff
09:27 PM zeeshan: lol
09:27 PM BeachBumPete: and shes about to blow it all over
09:27 PM BeachBumPete: and hes like NNNNOOOOOOOOOO
09:27 PM zeeshan: frigging dandelions
09:27 PM zeeshan: http://i.imgur.com/TpsUUSo.jpg
09:28 PM zeeshan: isnt this nuts?
09:28 PM zeeshan: i really wish i had those on my lawn
09:28 PM BeachBumPete: someone on here had blackberries and was bitching about how they took over his lawn
09:28 PM zeeshan: i dont mind that
09:28 PM zeeshan: haha
09:28 PM BeachBumPete: I was like I LOVE BLACKBERRIES!!!
09:29 PM BeachBumPete: well I am gonna watch some youtube here to learn more about this damn program
09:29 PM BeachBumPete: take it easy man
09:29 PM zeeshan: cya
09:58 PM Adamj12b-mobile: zeeshan Hi, are you fimilar with john grimsmo of grimsmo knives? Hes big on youtube and instagram. He uses fusion on a Nakamura Tome AS200LMYS with dual spindle. Its fanuc i believe.
09:58 PM zeeshan: seen him on youtube
10:04 PM zeeshan: Adamj12b-mobile: that was a random q :)
10:06 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Srry. Tired. You mentioned earlier about hiring someone to create a post for dual spindle. Thought i would throw it out there. :P John is a super nice guy and would point you where to go if you asked.
10:09 PM zeeshan: hes kind of a noob :p
10:10 PM Adamj12b-mobile: LOL
10:34 PM Tom_L: hey zeeshan
10:34 PM zeeshan: hi tom
10:35 PM Tom_L: ever mess with remap?
10:36 PM Tom_L: or orient
10:37 PM zeeshan: ive looked at orient a bit
10:37 PM zeeshan: cause i wanted c axis
10:37 PM Tom_L: trying to get it working here
10:42 PM Tom_L: gettin close
10:43 PM zeeshan: get er done!
10:44 PM Tom_L: right up to the point i blew the spindle drive
10:45 PM Tom_L: i added the code back in for spindle sync and it doesn't like that
10:45 PM zeeshan: howd the spindle drive blow
10:45 PM Tom_L: i'm not really sure
10:46 PM Tom_L: i was changing a line at a time testing and got all my orient code working with the regular spindle fwd / rev stuff
10:46 PM Tom_L: testing spindle speed fwd and rev
10:47 PM Tom_L: then i added motion.spindle-revs back to the encoder was all
10:47 PM Tom_L: and for some reason it didn't like that
10:48 PM CaptHindsight: is the drive really dead?!
10:49 PM Tom_L: it blew out the 6way plug thing it was plugged into
10:49 PM CaptHindsight: is the spindel drive PWM or analog 0-5V?
10:49 PM Tom_L: and something popped
10:49 PM Tom_L: it's a sherline stock drive
10:49 PM Tom_L: pwm
10:49 PM Tom_L: i had spindle sync working for quite a while
10:50 PM CaptHindsight: http://sherline.com/product/33050-dc-motor-speed-control-units/ is this it?
10:50 PM Tom_L: yeah
10:50 PM Tom_L: but
10:50 PM Tom_L: it could be the isolation board attached to it too
10:51 PM Tom_L: i'll look closer for blown components
10:51 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/PDF/
10:51 PM CaptHindsight: over current protection should have taken care of it
10:52 PM Tom_L: well it didn't
10:52 PM Tom_L: it may be the isolation board or something else
10:52 PM Tom_L: i'll look tomorrow
10:52 PM CaptHindsight: whats the worst you can do to the drive? Run it at full reverse or from a dead stop
10:52 PM Tom_L: it doesn't do reverse by default
10:52 PM Tom_L: i added relays for it
10:52 PM CaptHindsight: that sucks, sounds like something was skipped in the design
10:53 PM CaptHindsight: full speed CW to full speed CCW would put the most load on it
10:54 PM Tom_L: all i did was mdi a s200 m3
10:54 PM Tom_L: and it started to hum
10:54 PM Tom_L: before i could get to anything it blew out the extension cord
10:54 PM CaptHindsight: unhook the drive and use the same settings and look at the signal
10:54 PM Tom_L: the control was shut so i didn't see where sparks flew from
10:55 PM Tom_L: but i opened it and tried it once more and they flew again
10:55 PM Tom_L: it should be quite visible
10:56 PM Tom_L: i think i've got the KBIC driver
10:56 PM Tom_L: and the KBSI isolation board
10:56 PM Tom_L: i linked the pdfs
10:56 PM CaptHindsight: never saw whats inside any of those
10:57 PM Tom_L: it could be a relay but i doubt it
10:57 PM Tom_L: i don't get that lucky
10:57 PM Tom_L: everything else works fine
10:58 PM Tom_L: just don't do an M3 or M4 :D
10:58 PM CaptHindsight: I once had too short a break before make time on a transfer switch
10:59 PM CaptHindsight: blew it up real good
11:00 PM CaptHindsight: was like 1/4 the AC cycle time of 60Hz
11:00 PM CaptHindsight: had some big pumps running
11:01 PM Tom_L: i have delays between the relay switching
11:01 PM Tom_L: and the inhibit line on the driver
11:01 PM Tom_L: so i pulse the inhibit before switching
11:01 PM Tom_L: so i doubt if it's the relays
11:02 PM CaptHindsight: how fast was the spindle going? %
11:02 PM Tom_L: the test was s200 M3
11:02 PM Tom_L: but it never went anywhere
11:02 PM Tom_L: just started humming
11:02 PM Tom_L: prior to editing that line it was fine
11:03 PM Tom_L: could run s200 M3 or M4 or S2000 etc
11:03 PM Tom_L: i'd been struggling with the hal file so i started over from my original working hal
11:04 PM Tom_L: adding one line at a time from my diagram
11:04 PM Tom_L: and testing the spindle
11:04 PM Tom_L: all was fine
11:04 PM CaptHindsight: might be a coincidence
11:04 PM Tom_L: could be
11:05 PM Tom_L: i doubt it
11:05 PM CaptHindsight: the outputs are fused so even if your reversing relay flipped too quick it should have handled it
11:06 PM CaptHindsight: but the spindle wasn't even moving so that should not be it
11:06 PM Tom_L: it could be the isolation board
11:07 PM Tom_L: http://www.kbelectronics.com/Variable_Speed_DC_Drives.html
11:07 PM Tom_L: i think that's who makes it
11:08 PM Tom_L: i should find one that supports fwd / rev if it's blown
11:11 PM CaptHindsight: I need to control the temperature or a resistive heater using classic ladder
11:11 PM CaptHindsight: or/of
11:11 PM CaptHindsight: and also have a ramp
11:12 PM CaptHindsight: say go from 40C to 120C in 30 minutes vs just get to 120C asap
11:13 PM CaptHindsight: sort of like setting the ramp rate for spindle sped changes
11:21 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: I'd have to see the wiring diagram to take a guess
11:23 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.kbelectronics.com/manuals/si5_si6_manual.pdf
11:26 PM CaptHindsight: not much on the board