#linuxcnc Logs

Aug 08 2017

#linuxcnc Calendar

02:25 AM Deejay: moin
02:35 AM IchGucksLive: mornig from germany
02:46 AM Deejay: mornig to IchGucksLive, morning to all others ;-P
02:47 AM IchGucksLive: rain outside
02:47 AM IchGucksLive: but a cool looking 7min lunar eclips
02:54 AM Deejay: sunshine outside
02:57 AM IchGucksLive: off till later
04:03 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:25 AM sx3: I want to show my tool number in the pyvcp-sidebar
04:25 AM sx3: custom_postgui.hal:
04:25 AM sx3: net tool-now pyvcp.current_tool halui.tool.number
04:25 AM sx3: custompanel.xml:
04:25 AM sx3: <hbox>
04:25 AM sx3: <label>
04:25 AM sx3: <text>"Tool:"</text>
04:25 AM sx3: <font>("Helvetica",30)</font>
04:25 AM sx3: </label>
04:25 AM sx3: <number>
04:25 AM sx3: <halpin>"current_tool"</halpin>
04:26 AM sx3: <font>("Helvetica",30)</font>
04:26 AM sx3: <format>"2.0u"</format>
04:26 AM sx3: </number>
04:26 AM sx3: </hbox>
04:26 AM sx3: error:
04:26 AM sx3: Debug file information:
04:26 AM sx3: custom_postgui.hal:28: Signal 'tool-now' of type 'float' cannot add pin 'halui.tool.number' of type 'u32'
04:26 AM sx3: How can I change it to the right format?
04:26 AM sx3: juergen
04:27 AM archivist: I am a bit surprised to see it as a float
04:31 AM archivist: using the wrong widget type as that is for floats,use the s32 Number widget
04:32 AM archivist: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/pyvcp.html#_number_displays
04:33 AM sx3: I try
04:47 AM sx3: <u32>
04:47 AM sx3: <halpin>"current_tool"</halpin>
04:47 AM sx3: <font>("Helvetica",30)</font>
04:47 AM sx3: <format>"2.0u"</format>
04:47 AM sx3: </u32>
04:47 AM sx3: This works.
04:47 AM sx3: Many thanks. Have a nice day
05:48 AM jthornton: morning
06:39 AM Tom_L: morning
06:43 AM jthornton: I think my chicken killer is a dog now, saw some more tracks yesterday next to my new shop
06:44 AM Tom_L: how many have you lost/
06:44 AM Tom_L: ?
06:44 AM jthornton: 1/5 of the hens
06:44 AM jthornton: 1
06:49 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/screenshots/T5_M6_Screenshot.png
06:49 AM Tom_L: any ideas to get pid.1 to come to life?
06:50 AM Tom_L: i need the output around 5-600
06:52 AM Tom_L: it's for that spindle orient so it'll only make 1 full turn
06:54 AM jthornton: what is the pid command value
06:56 AM Tom_L: orient.0.command -> pid.1.command
06:57 AM Tom_L: so 127 at that point
06:58 AM jthornton: your feedback shows you almost in position
06:59 AM Tom_L: i'm wondering if i need to zero that after it passes the index pulse
06:59 AM Tom_L: so it's a position from a known origin
06:59 AM Tom_L: it may just be picking up the current position for orient
06:59 AM Tom_L: i'm not sure
06:59 AM Tom_L: i'm treading on new ground for me
07:00 AM jthornton: also for me :)
07:00 AM Tom_L: i'll check in later..
07:00 AM Tom_L: gotta get ready
07:00 AM jthornton: I don't have any spindle that could orient I don't think
07:00 AM jthornton: well maybe the CHCN spindle could
07:01 AM Tom_L: i just wanna see if i can get it to work
07:01 AM Tom_L: the hal file is in that directory
07:02 AM Tom_L: it's changed a tiny bit since i posted it
09:16 AM IchGucksLive: hi
09:16 AM TurBoShop: hello!
09:16 AM IchGucksLive: Tom_L: what about a near comp to get not exact
09:17 AM IchGucksLive: still rain here in germany
09:24 AM IchGucksLive: till later
12:10 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:13 PM Deejay: hi
12:33 PM IchGucksLive: hi Frank_20 did it work out for you
01:27 PM Tom_L: thing is, motion.spindle-on is not active with orient. i'm not sure if it's supposed to be or not
01:28 PM Tom_L: nor is motion.spindle-orient
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: does the spindle rotate
01:29 PM Tom_L: not in that mode
01:29 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/screenshots/T5_M6_Screenshot.png
01:29 PM Tom_L: there's what's going on
01:30 PM Tom_L: but motion.spindle-orient is triggered by M19 and i'm not using M19
01:30 PM IchGucksLive: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/m-code.html#mcode:m19
01:31 PM Tom_L: maybe it's required to work
01:31 PM Tom_L: andy suggested i try it another way so i did
01:31 PM Tom_L: i wonder if there's a way to trigger motion.spindle-on or motion.spindle-orient another way
01:31 PM IchGucksLive: i woudt go M5 -> M19 -m5 T5 M6
01:32 PM Tom_L: i was trying to avoid remapping M6
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: no its the post that gives the command
01:33 PM Tom_L: if it's a must then i'll go that route
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: toolchange section
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: or a button that makes a orient as a ngc
01:34 PM IchGucksLive: FOT Testing
01:34 PM IchGucksLive: For
01:34 PM Tom_L: trying to make it automatic with a M6 call
01:34 PM Tom_L: without remapping M6 if it's possible
01:35 PM Tom_L: the pid is working, the gain is off but motion.spindle doesn't respond
01:35 PM IchGucksLive: you can also use a user mcode with given tool
01:35 PM Tom_L: or motion.spindle-on would be lit up on that screenshot
01:35 PM IchGucksLive: your hal is setup ok
01:36 PM Tom_L: it's in that directory
01:36 PM IchGucksLive: so why not just for test give it the MDI
01:36 PM Tom_L: i have bene
01:36 PM IchGucksLive: does that work
01:36 PM Tom_L: been
01:36 PM Tom_L: no
01:36 PM IchGucksLive: M5
01:36 PM Tom_L: i do a S200 M3 first
01:36 PM IchGucksLive: M19 R127 Q10 P1
01:36 PM Tom_L: then a T5 M6
01:36 PM Tom_L: both screenshots are there
01:37 PM IchGucksLive: i see
01:37 PM IchGucksLive: but i also need to know first what hapens on manuell commands
01:37 PM Tom_L: i'm not near it right now
01:37 PM IchGucksLive: to see if the hal does the job
01:37 PM Tom_L: and those 2 commands is all i tested MDI
01:38 PM IchGucksLive: i see
01:38 PM Tom_L: why would you want an M5?
01:38 PM Tom_L: M6 will turn off the spindle
01:38 PM IchGucksLive: to stop the main
01:38 PM Tom_L: M6 should do that too
01:38 PM IchGucksLive: as it has stopped the orint takes over by signal
01:39 PM Tom_L: right
01:39 PM IchGucksLive: but M6 does not trigger the M19
01:39 PM Tom_L: the 2 pid go thru a mux to select the active one
01:39 PM Tom_L: i know
01:39 PM IchGucksLive: so a manual test woudt show if it workes as expected then interfear with M6
01:39 PM Tom_L: i wasn't trying to use M19 if i don't need it
01:39 PM IchGucksLive: but for testing it woudt
01:40 PM Tom_L: so you say issue a M5
01:40 PM Tom_L: M19
01:40 PM Tom_L: then M6?
01:40 PM IchGucksLive: yes
01:40 PM IchGucksLive: M19 needs arguments
01:40 PM Tom_L: i'll test that when i get a chance
01:40 PM Tom_L: right
01:41 PM Tom_L: so M19 will wait for the index pulse then count encoder ticks to the selected degrees
01:41 PM Tom_L: i may have to go that way
01:43 PM IchGucksLive: Tom_L: how do you setup the unload
01:43 PM IchGucksLive: or is it a maual tool change
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: Tom_L: the noemal TOOL_change initiation is stop the spindle orint it unload to pocket
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: move pocket to new tool
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: load tool
01:45 PM IchGucksLive: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/remap/remap.html#_specifying_the_m6_replacement
01:46 PM IchGucksLive: when the NML message queued by a SELECT_POCKET() canon command is executed
01:51 PM IchGucksLive: Tom_L: the section 5.6 is your friend if the manual comand works
01:51 PM IchGucksLive: one line INI remap REMAP=M6 modalgroup=6 ngc=mytoolchange
01:52 PM IchGucksLive: o<mytoolchange> sub
01:52 PM IchGucksLive: M5
01:52 PM IchGucksLive: M19 .....
01:52 PM IchGucksLive: M6 (use built in M6 behavior)
01:52 PM IchGucksLive: (.. move to tool length switch, probe and set tool length..)
01:52 PM IchGucksLive: o<mytoolchange> endsub
01:52 PM IchGucksLive: m2
01:54 PM Frank___: guys, i've set up my spidndle vfd to do 25hz to 300hz, 300hz beeing 18000rpm. when i start the spindle on the linuxcnc and start ramping it up it takes quite a few clicks on the +vel to actually change velocity
01:54 PM Frank___: how do i have to change the scaling?
01:55 PM IchGucksLive: why dont you use MDI
01:55 PM IchGucksLive: S5000M3
01:55 PM IchGucksLive: not the +-
01:56 PM Frank___: but the scaling would still be off
01:56 PM Frank___: i have 0v 0rpm and 10v 18000rpm on the ini
01:57 PM Frank___: but 0v is 25hz
01:57 PM IchGucksLive: let me see
01:57 PM Frank___: i can check what speed is 25hz
01:57 PM Frank___: on the vfd
01:57 PM Frank___: and take that to the 0v?
01:57 PM IchGucksLive: the vfd has a display
01:58 PM Frank___: yep
01:58 PM IchGucksLive: ypou can trogle HZ RPM
01:58 PM Frank___: what lol?
01:59 PM IchGucksLive: Frank_ on the display
01:59 PM IchGucksLive: FRANK what is your PWM rate
01:59 PM Tom_L: i've been reading the remap section
02:00 PM Frank___: i have analog 10+v
02:00 PM Frank___: 0-10v
02:00 PM Frank___: i will try the rpm on 25hz to make it 0v on linuxcnc
02:00 PM IchGucksLive: but thrue pwm BOB
02:00 PM Frank___: its 7i76
02:00 PM Frank___: whats pwm
02:01 PM IchGucksLive: ok
02:01 PM IchGucksLive: so can you show us yopur HAL
02:02 PM JT-Shop: if everything on my LAN is 192.168.0.xxx and this camera is 192.168.1.xx will I not be able to see it?
02:03 PM Tom_L: IchGucksLive, i've been looking at that example code
02:03 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, no
02:03 PM Tom_L: not if it's outside your router's range
02:03 PM IchGucksLive: Tom_L: i woudt first do the maual test then its onle 1 ini line
02:03 PM Tom_L: IchGucksLive, i will
02:04 PM Tom_L: how do you call the sub then?
02:04 PM IchGucksLive: m6
02:05 PM Tom_L: how do you map it to the subroutine?
02:05 PM IchGucksLive: REMAP=M6 modalgroup=6 ngc=mytoolchange
02:05 PM Tom_L: yeah that just now sunk in :D
02:06 PM IchGucksLive: its basicly the same as a usermcode
02:06 PM IchGucksLive: but maped to a internalö mcode
02:06 PM Tom_L: right
02:06 PM Tom_L: then you call the M6 inside the sub
02:07 PM Tom_L: would that be done after any prefetch code or before?
02:07 PM Tom_L: probably after
02:08 PM IchGucksLive: what is my nonthinking but its adressed by remap is m6 calls m6
02:08 PM Tom_L: if i were to use one of the M62..M65 commands inside the sub, how do you set / clear the pin with those?
02:09 PM IchGucksLive: the remap works on the digitals
02:09 PM IchGucksLive: there is a list on the link
02:10 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: so plug a PC into the switch uplink directly?
02:10 PM Tom_L: if i call M62 P1 that will turn on the digital IO
02:10 PM Tom_L: what turns it back off?
02:10 PM Tom_L: another call to it?
02:10 PM Tom_L: like a filp flop
02:10 PM Tom_L: flip*
02:10 PM IchGucksLive: tom did you see andys video on tht
02:11 PM Tom_L: it's been quite a while but yes
02:11 PM Tom_L: on carousel?
02:11 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, what are you trying to do?
02:12 PM Tom_L: if your router range doesn't include that address it won't see it
02:12 PM JT-Shop: trying to see a new ip camera
02:12 PM IchGucksLive: Tom_L: M64 on M65 off
02:12 PM Tom_L: how hard is it to change everything else to 192.168.1.x?
02:12 PM _methods: i keep a little router handy not connected to the network for new cams like that
02:13 PM _methods: do you have an old router laying around?
02:13 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8
02:13 PM Tom_L: IchGucksLive, i see
02:13 PM Tom_L: thanks
02:13 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: change the DHCP IP Address Range? which is now to
02:15 PM Tom_L: from - 192.168.0.
02:15 PM Tom_L: 199
02:15 PM Tom_L: to -
02:15 PM Tom_L: then it should be visible
02:16 PM _methods: you might be able to get away with just changing your computer ip address so it's in the same subnet as the cam
02:16 PM Tom_L: but if you have any static ip addresses you will have to change those too
02:16 PM Tom_L: that's my limited knowledge of it
02:16 PM JT-Shop: I'll try the computer ip address first
02:17 PM _methods: but the easiest way i've found is to just keep a cheap 4 port router around for initializing the cams
02:17 PM _methods: and setting them up in dhcp mode
02:22 PM JT-Shop: what do you do just change the router range?
02:23 PM _methods: yeah
02:23 PM _methods: set it to be in the same range as the cam
02:23 PM _methods: then plug in your computer and configure the cam
02:24 PM _methods: you have an old router laying around?
02:24 PM JT-Shop: I have a brand new 4 port router in my hand
02:25 PM _methods: ah there ya go
02:25 PM _methods: so just hook up to that router and put it in the range of the cam
02:25 PM Tom_L: _methods you mean change the ip on the camera?
02:25 PM _methods: you change that after you get it on the network
02:25 PM _methods: won't be able to change that until you can connect to it
02:25 PM Tom_L: that's what the small router is for then right?
02:25 PM _methods: yeah
02:26 PM Tom_L: gotcha
02:26 PM _methods: instead of messing with your home network
02:26 PM Tom_L: where's the fun in that
02:26 PM _methods: lol
02:27 PM _methods: you could also just use a switch
02:27 PM _methods: and manually set your computer ip to be in the subnet of the camera
02:27 PM _methods: but with the router you can do it with dhcp
02:27 PM Tom_L: oh just a standalone pc on a switch
02:27 PM JT-Shop: lol this router is on
02:29 PM JT-Shop: and there is the camera
02:32 PM _methods: sweet
02:32 PM _methods: yeah it's easier to walk someone thru it on dhcp
02:32 PM _methods: but yeah you can do it on a switch standalone pc
02:33 PM JT-Shop: I don't see any configuation stuff just version and logout and a blank screen lol
02:37 PM _methods: really?
02:37 PM _methods: what cam model?
02:38 PM JT-Shop: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KMQ7O9M
02:40 PM skunkworks: we have had decent luck with hikvision
02:41 PM _methods: what browser you using JT-Shop
02:41 PM skunkworks: 1080 is decent enough for security
02:41 PM _methods: some of these cameras you HAVE to use internet explorer
02:45 PM JT-Shop: firefox
02:46 PM JT-Shop: let me try with my laptop which has Windoze
02:46 PM _methods: yeah unfortunately some of these cams don't play well with other browsers
02:47 PM _methods: most of them want you to use their scary software
02:47 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/work.png
02:47 PM JT-Shop: I just want to have them on my LAN
02:47 PM _methods: which i always try and avoid and do configuration by browser or cli
02:47 PM JT-Shop: skunkworks: what camera is that?
02:48 PM _methods: i think he said hikvision
02:49 PM _methods: they're one of the better chinese cam suppliers
02:49 PM _methods: i think most of the chinese cameras are made by the same company and just rebadged
02:49 PM _methods: but who knows
02:50 PM skunkworks: uh Hikvision DS-2CD2T32-I5 POE IP Bullet Camera
02:51 PM skunkworks: we are using some form of their software for recording.. It works ok but has a memory hole that requires a reboot once a week
02:51 PM skunkworks: I don't know what else is out there.
02:52 PM _methods: zoneminder
02:54 PM skunkworks: cool
02:54 PM skunkworks: have you used it?
02:58 PM JT-Shop: that's what I want to setup zoneminder
02:58 PM JT-Shop: explorer just blocks everything about that camera lol
02:59 PM Tom_L: will that work with most IP cameras?
03:01 PM Tom_L: will it support PTZ?
03:03 PM JT-Shop: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjl0fuqsMjVAhUmLZoKHUUlBRcQjBAIMzAC&url=https%3A%2Fhttps://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjl0fuqsMjVAhUmLZoKHUUlBRcQjBAIMzAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fzoneminder.com%2Ffeatures%2F&usg=AFQjCNGs3B9VO6hnBvVSEVtxjPo896qyAg%2Fzoneminder.com%2Ffeatures%2F&usg=AFQjCNGs3B9VO6hnBvVSEVtxjPo896qyAg
03:03 PM JT-Shop: crap
03:03 PM JT-Shop: https://zoneminder.com/features/
03:03 PM Tom_L: i was looking at that
03:03 PM JT-Shop: skunkworks: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hikvision-DS-2CD2T32-I5-4mm-POE-IP-Camera-Waterproof-Bullet-Camera-Home-Seurity-/182612051594
03:05 PM skunkworks: yes - it has poe also. (not wireless if that is what you want...)
03:05 PM Tom_L: is POE standard or does the voltage vary?
03:05 PM Tom_L: that says 12v on that one
03:06 PM Tom_L: dunno what the POE voltage is
03:06 PM skunkworks: I don't know - I just bought a netgear switch with poe and it worked.
03:06 PM Tom_L: ok
03:06 PM Tom_L: did you use cat6e?
03:06 PM skunkworks: we have a couple more cameras to mount.. not a rush
03:06 PM skunkworks: Tom_L, pretty sure.
03:09 PM JT-Shop: yea I want POE
03:09 PM Tom_L: i had a router that was POE is why i asked. came with an injector
03:10 PM Tom_L: i just wondered if i could use it
03:10 PM skunkworks: Tom_L, pretty sure it is an 802.mumble standard.
03:11 PM Tom_L: i'm not using the router anymore
03:12 PM Tom_L: i wonder if you can allocate space for zoneminder and not let it eat the whole hdd but recycle fifo
03:13 PM roycroft: not all poe is equal
03:14 PM roycroft: voltage is the same on all (-48vdc), but there are two different current levels
03:14 PM roycroft: worst case is that you plug your device into a poe jack and there's not enough power for it
03:14 PM roycroft: but it won't fry
03:14 PM Tom_L: ok
03:15 PM phiplii: evening
03:15 PM Tom_L: skunkworks, will that mount 90 deg?
03:15 PM CaptHindsight: i use an actual movie camera with film, try and hack that :)
03:16 PM Tom_L: 70mm?
03:16 PM CaptHindsight: why would I want to miss anything?
03:16 PM CaptHindsight: 16mm for students and losers
03:18 PM skunkworks: Tom_L, yes
03:18 PM Tom_L: cool
03:18 PM Tom_L: i've been wanting to update mine for a while
03:20 PM Tom_L: so put a POE switch in the garage and one in the house and hook that to my current switch...
03:21 PM Tom_L: thing about it, you can catch them in the act but the cops won't do anything anyway
03:21 PM Tom_L: took them 4+ hrs to respond and 2 weeks to come back for the video
03:25 PM CaptHindsight: they are out doing more important things, how does your problem generate them income?
03:51 PM Deejay: gn8
04:11 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/6ovrtk/handheld_printer/ I
04:15 PM Tom_L: ok, none of that worked
04:15 PM XXCoder: SpeedEvil: cqan be outright evil with that
04:15 PM SpeedEvil: Would be much fun.
04:15 PM XXCoder: like print "you suck on parking" on badly parked car
04:17 PM Tom_L: does it work on foreheads?
04:17 PM Tom_L: i want one
04:18 PM SpeedEvil: 'poor impulse control'
04:18 PM SpeedEvil: (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/SnowCrash
04:19 PM XXCoder: yeah enjoyed that book
04:19 PM XXCoder: pizza mafia heh
04:24 PM Tom_L: will wheezy iso fit on a 32gb drive?
04:29 PM phipli: must do in some form because you could fit it on an 8gb sd card in a raspberry pi
04:29 PM phipli: with a GUI
04:30 PM Tom_L: can you install it to a thumbdrive?
04:30 PM phipli: yeah
04:30 PM Tom_L: all i want are the config files
04:30 PM Tom_L: my hdd was corrupt and some are trashed
04:30 PM Tom_L: probably take 4x as long but...
04:31 PM phipli: could use a VM?
04:40 PM CaptHindsight: how long does a Linux distro last when installed to a thumb drive if you don't turn off all the caching and needless writes?
04:41 PM phipli: I ran a headless server from an SD card for years
04:41 PM alex_joni: if you run from a ramdrive, and never write to it .. forever/until the thumb drive fails
04:41 PM SpeedEvil: CaptHindsight: that depends on the thumb drive and luck
04:41 PM SpeedEvil: SD cards can be very reliable.
04:41 PM SpeedEvil: Or they can die in a couple of weeks with no notice.
04:42 PM alex_joni: use 2 and periodically make a mirror image
04:42 PM SpeedEvil: Many cheaper cards skimp on the wear leveling, which means that writing a 4K block can lead to a rewrite of a 4M segment
04:42 PM alex_joni: or a raid1 - a bit harder to set up
04:43 PM Tom_L: i just need this long enough to copy off the sample configs
04:44 PM CaptHindsight: so avoid using the thumb drives they give away at trade shows with samples files or catalogs
04:45 PM Tom_L: ok i'm not getting very far with this.
04:46 PM Tom_L: what signal should orient trigger so the spindle will come on?
04:46 PM Tom_L: motion.spindle-on never goes true
04:47 PM Tom_L: i've tried motion.spindle-orient as the trigger for M19 as well as using orient by itself
04:58 PM JT-Shop: I couldn't help myself "Reason for return: no picture no setup no work"
04:58 PM Tom_L: no brain
05:57 PM JT-Shop: _methods: what kind of camera have you used with zoneminder?\
05:57 PM _methods: all kinds
05:58 PM _methods: dbpower, hikvision, foscam
05:58 PM _methods: quite a few others i can't remember
05:59 PM _methods: were you ever able to get your cam configured for dhcp?
05:59 PM JT-Shop: no, I gave up and returned it to amazon
05:59 PM _methods: ah ok
05:59 PM _methods: they're always a pain to get configured
06:02 PM JT-Shop: that's nice to know
06:04 PM _methods: yeah they're all different none of them ever have the same setup
06:04 PM _methods: so every cam you get is always a learning experience
06:05 PM BeachBumPete: http://i.imgur.com/RPpwuHT.jpg :)
06:06 PM _methods: gawt dayum that looks like some crazy video game gun
06:06 PM JT-Shop: Nice!
06:06 PM BeachBumPete: hehe
06:06 PM BeachBumPete: that is a customer that received my second Air Arms Custom droop compensated riser. He is in Spain...
06:13 PM CaptHindsight: post modern hippy sniper rifle
06:14 PM BeachBumPete: Actually it is a state of the art Competition Field Target Air rifle ;)
06:14 PM andypugh: Specially chosen lump of wood? The grain seems to run in the pefect directions
06:15 PM BeachBumPete: that's a laminate blank andy
06:15 PM andypugh: That was my second guess
06:15 PM BeachBumPete: it is similar to what I am making for my RWS54 action
06:15 PM BeachBumPete: only....swoopier :)
06:16 PM BeachBumPete: all in all not a terrible way to spend like $6k or so hehehe
06:16 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/9WxO6TwnFzU?t=30s you need a to cross promote with these guys
06:16 PM CaptHindsight: Ripsaw EV2 Extreme Luxury Super Tank
06:17 PM BeachBumPete: I would love to get together with people who make cool stuff like that.
06:18 PM andypugh: Darn it! I was, up to now, unaware that I needed a tank.
06:18 PM BeachBumPete: I am working on another design right now but it is nothing earth shattering.
06:19 PM BeachBumPete: hell everbody needs a good tank...especially a high HP High speed luxury model like that..
06:26 PM Simonious: What does a red/purple line mean in F360?
06:26 PM Simonious: oh.. dots
06:28 PM Adamj12b-mobile: BeachBumPete Hows the controls coming?
06:28 PM BeachBumPete: well....ehhh
06:28 PM BeachBumPete: actually the panel is sitting immediately in front of me on top of an old blanket on top of my ottoman :)O
06:29 PM BeachBumPete: at least that way I won't forget about it and move onto something else hehe
06:29 PM BeachBumPete: we are grilling some dinner and then I plan to work on it some more
06:29 PM andypugh: Simonious: In Inventor purple lines are projected geometry that has lost its original feature. Typically you want to delete them.
06:30 PM andypugh: Fusiong might, or might not, be the same.
06:38 PM Tom_L: andypugh
06:38 PM Tom_L: i tried your suggestion on the orient setup
06:39 PM Tom_L: can't seem to get motion.spindle-on to trigger
06:40 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/screenshots/
06:40 PM Tom_L: there are a couple screenshots of hal config
06:40 PM Tom_L: with just an M3 then with a toolchange M6
06:41 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure what part of orient is supposed to turn the spindle
06:42 PM Tom_L: the hal is there as well
06:48 PM _methods: CaptHindsight: i think my buddy works at that ripsaw company
06:50 PM _methods: yeah howe and howe
06:51 PM _methods: https://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Mucci/100013093178959
06:53 PM andypugh: Tom_L: You need a PID component to control the spindle, orient just calculates the encoder position needed, really
06:54 PM JT-Shop: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/orient.svg
06:56 PM CaptHindsight: RIPCHAIR 3.0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y55sPJDDDNo
06:56 PM JT-Shop: http://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/28873-spindle-orientation-m19
06:56 PM Tom_L: andypugh i've got the PID.1. set up for it
06:56 PM Tom_L: i'm not real sure what settings to give it
06:57 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/screenshots/sherline.hal
06:57 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: document it well :)
06:57 PM Tom_L: i will if i get it to work
06:57 PM Tom_L: i did notice they don't distribute the vismach toolchange demo in the iso anymore
06:57 PM Tom_L: dammit
06:57 PM Tom_L: i'd like to know what version iso had it
06:57 PM andypugh: Your pid.1 addf line seems to be commented out
06:58 PM CaptHindsight: _methods: I worked on one similar for delivering clowns to remote areas
06:58 PM _methods: heheh
06:58 PM Tom_L: andypugh yeah i caught that error after posting that
06:59 PM Tom_L: the pid works but i'm not sure of the settings
06:59 PM Tom_L: the gain is very slow
06:59 PM andypugh: So make it bigger?
06:59 PM andypugh: And the Vismach config is still there: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/configs/sim/axis/vismach/VMC_toolchange/spindle.hal
06:59 PM Tom_L: which term?
06:59 PM andypugh: The right one :-)
06:59 PM Tom_L: gee
06:59 PM CaptHindsight: then I got side tracked by a wooden hot air balloon project
07:00 PM Tom_L: andypugh what branch is that?
07:00 PM andypugh: Tom_L: I can’t say, try P, and if that doesn’t work try I, then P
07:00 PM andypugh: Tom_L: master
07:00 PM Tom_L: ok
07:01 PM Tom_L: i don't get why motion.spindle-on never asserts
07:01 PM andypugh: But it’s in 2.7 too
07:01 PM Tom_L: i've got master here but missed it
07:01 PM andypugh: sim/axis/vis,ach/VMC_Toolchange
07:01 PM Tom_L: i'll look again
07:01 PM andypugh: Tom_L: Because the spindle isn’t on
07:01 PM CaptHindsight: _methods: lets start up a company called stupid things that people will pay lots for
07:01 PM Tom_L: so a M3 request needs to be made after all this?
07:02 PM _methods: apple?
07:02 PM andypugh: Tom_L: Not unless you want the spindle to spin.
07:02 PM CaptHindsight: looks like they have phones covered
07:02 PM Tom_L: i don't follow i guess
07:03 PM andypugh: I don’t understand the question.
07:03 PM andypugh: Are you saying that your VFD is turned off? Or what?
07:03 PM Tom_L: what comp causes the spindle to rotate during orient?
07:03 PM andypugh: The PID
07:03 PM Tom_L: maybe it's because the gain on the PID isn't large enough yet
07:03 PM andypugh: It creates a velocity command
07:04 PM Tom_L: the output is around 20 and it needs to be around 500 before it will spin
07:04 PM CaptHindsight: _methods: $700,000 armoured car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRYIkdYss5M
07:04 PM andypugh: So, 10x the gain then, possibly 100x
07:05 PM Tom_L: ok
07:05 PM Tom_L: they suggested for position pid to set FF0 to 0 and use FF1
07:05 PM _methods: CaptHindsight: i just saw some russian armored car thing today
07:05 PM _methods: let me see if i can find that
07:05 PM CaptHindsight: not really sure what it's going to protect you from other than 19th century Indian attacks
07:06 PM CaptHindsight: _methods: does it float/ride on water?
07:06 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBA7pjaVZQ0
07:08 PM _methods: http://dartz.us/
07:08 PM _methods: there it is
07:09 PM _methods: http://dartzgrupa.com/
07:19 PM CaptHindsight: the design team is all kids from 5-8
07:20 PM CaptHindsight: "we gave these kids some glue and a bunch of krap and told them to go wild"
07:43 PM CaptHindsight: heh, we turn the expensive into the priceless
07:44 PM andypugh: pricelss =/= valueless
07:56 PM Tom_L: ok i got the pid.1.output to go high enough the spindle should turn but nothing happens
07:57 PM Tom_L: i still think motion.spindle-on needs to be asserted
07:57 PM Adamj12b-web: Curious what the consensus is about installing a VNC server on a machine in order to check on the machine remotely?
07:57 PM Tom_L: wanna watch it burn from a distance?
07:57 PM Adamj12b-web: Maybe :P
08:01 PM Tom_L: i'm about ready to watch this one burn :D
08:01 PM Adamj12b-web: Good Luck!
08:01 PM Tom_L: this orient thing is kickin my butt right now
08:02 PM Adamj12b-web: Orient is one of the next things I plan to do once I get the mill running.
08:02 PM Tom_L: maybe by then i'll have it
08:02 PM Tom_L: if not you'll be helpin me too :)
08:04 PM Adamj12b-web: Im sure Im atleast a week away till I can start working on a spindle encoder
08:04 PM Tom_L: it will need an index channel too
08:06 PM Adamj12b-web: Yes. The encoders I have are wayyy overkill.
08:06 PM Adamj12b-web: im worried if they are too many lines though
08:06 PM Adamj12b-web: 1024
08:07 PM Tom_L: naw
08:07 PM Tom_L: mine is 500
08:08 PM Tom_L: only because i had it
08:08 PM Adamj12b-web: well i have 2 of these. and they are sealed, with bearings.
08:14 PM CaptHindsight: Adamj12b-web: you mean a remote X display or are you going to try to display it on winders?
08:15 PM CaptHindsight: it's easier to throw away lines then to add them
08:16 PM Adamj12b-web: CaptHindsight:LCNC > Mac
08:17 PM Adamj12b-web: I just found Andys suggestion of using a remote X session
08:17 PM Adamj12b-web: Going to try that. I think that will work fine.
08:17 PM CaptHindsight: never tried with a mac, the last mac I had was in 1991
08:18 PM Adamj12b-web: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/9-installing-linuxcnc/30611-running-linuxcnc-on-a-vnc-connection#72313
08:45 PM enleth: Adamj12b-web: both X forwarding and VNC just work with LCNC, it's so far in the "just works" territory that there isn't really anything for a consensus to be about
08:46 PM enleth: obviously you probably don't want this to be the only way to push the estop button or something like that
08:47 PM enleth: and you should keep in mind that X forwarding with no proxy will kill the client if the connection craps out, terminating the LCNC backend
08:47 PM enleth: otherwise, for supervising a program run remotely, it just works, end of story.
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09:12 PM Adamj12b-web: enleth: Thanks. Ill give it a shot. I haven't been out to the machine, But when you say VNC just works, is there a server already installed?
09:22 PM BeachBumPete: well I just ordered some kits of standoffs for the main board etc. I need to order another kit of the 7i77 Din rail mounting setup so I can use the Din rails that are already on the board.
09:31 PM Adamj12b-web: Was the lathe CNC originally?
09:32 PM BeachBumPete: yes indeed it was... it is a Standard Modern CNC 14x45 lathe
09:32 PM Adamj12b-web: Gotcha.
09:33 PM Adamj12b-web: Does yours have the control panel shroud?
09:34 PM Adamj12b-web: BeachBumPete: Also, did you have the hal file that went with the ini you sent me yesterday?
09:34 PM BeachBumPete: control panel shroud? Do you mean the sliding chuck cover with the MPG's or the control panel itself?
09:34 PM Adamj12b-web: the chuck cover with mpg
09:34 PM Adamj12b-web: https://uwaterloo.ca/engineering-machine-shop/sites/ca.engineering-machine-shop/files/styles/field-slideshow-slide/public/uploads/images/0109.jpg?itok=MCsRTpjg
09:34 PM Adamj12b-web: like that i assume?
09:34 PM BeachBumPete: yeah I have the sliding chuck cover but the machine was gutted and no longer has the MPG
09:35 PM BeachBumPete: yeah that is basically the same machine I have
09:35 PM BeachBumPete: I do not plan to install new electronics in the sliding chuck cover
09:35 PM BeachBumPete: I do not see the need for it honestly
09:36 PM BeachBumPete: unfortunately the control pendant was NOT there when I got the machine
09:36 PM BeachBumPete: so I am going to have to build one eventually
09:36 PM BeachBumPete: right now I just want to get the machine working
09:36 PM Adamj12b-web: Yea. Me too :D
09:37 PM BeachBumPete: I plan to put a flatscreen on top of the electronics enclosure and use the same waterproof/dustproof keyboard I am using for the Cinci
09:37 PM BeachBumPete: I will probably install an MPG somewhere temporarily
09:37 PM BeachBumPete: that picture actually shows the pendant coming from underneath the machine
09:37 PM BeachBumPete: mine is not like that
09:38 PM BeachBumPete: there is a large four bolt flange just underneath the line of the top of the chip tray behind the chuck area
09:38 PM BeachBumPete: it must have bolted on there and then stuck vertically after a bend
09:38 PM BeachBumPete: this is a better setup actually
09:39 PM BeachBumPete: and easy to recreate
09:39 PM BeachBumPete: I can tig weld up a nice heavy arm that the pendant will sit atop
09:39 PM BeachBumPete: I have completely gutted, cleaned, and repainted the machine so far
09:40 PM BeachBumPete: so now I can start putting in the new electronics
09:40 PM BeachBumPete: I also need to pick up some of the power distribution blocks I used in the Cinci that are din rail mounted
10:04 PM BeachBumPete: jeez man just ordered two standoff kits for this and already got an email from one of them that they apparently forgot to remove the item and they only have the contents of the kit not the plastic compartmentalized box the kit comes in.
10:06 PM BeachBumPete: bad part is that the one that contacted me is the only one that had the kit available the rest are different.