#linuxcnc Logs
Aug 07 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:04 AM Adamj12b: Night.
12:26 AM XXCoder: hm
12:26 AM XXCoder: I wonder if theres good places to get pewler cheap
02:20 AM archivist: XXCoder, you will have to invent it, pewter is available though
02:20 AM XXCoder: invent what?
02:20 AM archivist: pewler
02:21 AM XXCoder: oh yeah!
02:21 AM XXCoder: sorry lol
02:26 AM XXCoder: one site, 16 usd per pound
02:26 AM XXCoder: $10 added if less than 25 pounds. not too bad.
02:26 AM XXCoder: silver pewter is slightly more money at 17.45 usd per pound
02:27 AM archivist: or go to local scrap yard and get the old mugs, melt them down
02:27 AM XXCoder: I have never seen one, ever :)
02:27 AM XXCoder: dont those have lead tho?
02:28 AM archivist: a grey alloy of tin with copper and antimony (formerly, tin and lead)
02:29 AM archivist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pewter
03:19 AM Deejay: moin
03:44 AM XXCoder: archivist: ever cst pewter, whats it like if did
03:45 AM XXCoder: hey Deejay
03:45 AM Deejay: arent you supposed to sleep?
03:46 AM XXCoder: not for few more hours :P
03:59 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
04:00 AM XXCoder: hey cnc maker
04:02 AM archivist: XXCoder, I have cast lead not pewter
04:03 AM XXCoder: interesting. I was wondering about casting pewter in wood cast
04:03 AM XXCoder: im pretty sure its low enough temp at 225c to 250c so wood would be fine for couple castings
04:03 AM archivist: use plaster
04:04 AM archivist: wood contains water that may boil
04:05 AM XXCoder: hmm makes sense
04:05 AM XXCoder: thanks
04:13 AM IchGucksLive: off to 25acrers of weat harvest today
04:13 AM IchGucksLive: let the dust be flying low
04:13 AM IchGucksLive: ;-(
04:22 AM Deejay: .oO(if he knows that acres is not identical to the german "hektar")
05:48 AM jthornton: morning
05:50 AM XXCoder: hey
11:05 AM evgenii_ is now known as evgenii
11:10 AM adamj12b-web: Has anybody set up ILowPass for an MPG? I cant remember the exact error im getting as it was early this morning, but it said something along the lines of ilowpass.0 pin already existed.
11:11 AM Loetmichel: Re from getting a brandnew Mercedes GLC 4matic (hybrid) from the factory in Bremen... drove home to Offenbach am main... 17,4mpg Mercedes CLAIMS the car can do 60mpg... and we had to fuel her up twice to drive the ~500 km... becuase of the little 45L fuel tank... compromise to put the batteries for 34km(!) electric range :-) Good thing that is a company car and the company my wife works for
11:11 AM Loetmichel: pays the fuel ;)
11:20 AM evgenii_ is now known as evgenii
11:40 AM skunkworks: heh fix a segfault that surprisingly only showed up when your luck was bad
11:42 AM skunkworks: had you been running git that long? or are these converted from cvs or such?
11:45 AM lunada: Hi
11:46 AM lunada: Any reccomendations for a good new 4x8 or 5x10 router? For commerical, not hobby. I need a toolchanger and a vacuum table.
11:47 AM lunada: i know this is mostly a DIY crowd but figured i'd ask
11:48 AM CaptHindsight: what's your budget?
11:48 AM CaptHindsight: how long would you like it to last?
11:48 AM CaptHindsight: how accurate do you need it to be?
11:49 AM CaptHindsight: what materials will you be cutting?
11:49 AM CaptHindsight: what part of the worls are you in?
11:49 AM CaptHindsight: worls/world
11:54 AM CaptHindsight: lunada: ^^
12:26 PM lunada: 50-70k usd
12:26 PM lunada: as long as possible lol
12:26 PM lunada: .001-.002"
12:27 PM lunada: mdf, acrylic, plywood, etc
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: hi from Germany
12:27 PM lunada: southern californa USA
12:27 PM lunada: hi
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: ;-)
12:28 PM lunada: we'd also like a long z travel... like 15"
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: lunada: why dont you buy a used HAAS in torence CA
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: 15 inch is not long
12:29 PM skunkworks: they are looking for a router..
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: a VF2 even will make it
12:29 PM lunada: router, not vmc
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: lunada: even a hobby mashine can do 8hr shift even more
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: so froggcnc is around you
12:31 PM lunada: we briefly considered frog, but we dont need 4th or 5th axis cpabilities
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: thats only the electronics
12:32 PM lunada: we are looking at multicam and freedom Patriot right now.
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: as the now commen Break out boards do support this
12:34 PM IchGucksLive: lunada: next to SF or LA
12:34 PM lunada: San Diego
12:34 PM IchGucksLive: or more inland Bakersfield
12:34 PM IchGucksLive: Thanks
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: lunada: did show up at dye cnc in Sandiego
12:36 PM lunada: cool
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: there is a builder place that maces coustomised routers in Sandiego
12:37 PM lunada: ugh, apparently my mill just tried to go through the toolchanger.
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: also a showroom that suports unitedF
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: even F&L has a shop in Sandiego
12:37 PM lunada: huh, i'll have to check it out, thanks
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: thats what most of us like to use
12:38 PM lunada: brb, gotta find out why the mill decided to move before the toolchange was complete
12:38 PM phiplii: evening
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: thatsa a bad signal
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: lunada: does the toolchanger report back look at the given signals
12:39 PM phiplii: Everything weird always turns out to be an earth problem
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: phiplii: earth is to blame on everything even head
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: t
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: lunada: are you located around plasticsinc
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: CA 92126
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: showroom for routers is at CA 92110 USA
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: lunada: ?
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: i see that this weekend 10 Aug 2017 5:30 PM there is a open makerday
12:45 PM IchGucksLive: lunada: you shoudt show up there at all surcumstances
12:45 PM IchGucksLive: there a real people like us
12:45 PM IchGucksLive: that know how where to go and use
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: lunada: http://makerplace.com/
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: cool shop
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: 1022 West Morena Blvd
12:52 PM IchGucksLive: JesusAlos: did you hit the almost top temp today
12:52 PM IchGucksLive: altime high
12:53 PM IchGucksLive: here outside all a collecting straw
12:53 PM IchGucksLive: are
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: ive seen a top of 12 harvesters for the small town today
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: there is a small mooneclips tonight
12:55 PM phiplii: IchGucksLive: http://hackaday.com/2013/07/03/seeing-plant-health-in-infrared/
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: that is in use here at deer center
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: but the heaven above does tell you also many
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: if weat is on to harvest and it rains 4 days you know losing money is around
12:59 PM phiplii: Switch to rice :)
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: the italian lost about 70% of the harvest
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: to dry at the fileds
01:00 PM phiplii: spain was having problems with crops rotting in the fields this year
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: here 2
01:00 PM phiplii: we lost most of our potato crop a few years ago
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: as we got rain very late
01:00 PM phiplii: don't know how it is this year
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: potatos are fine as i see from outside windows
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: harvest is fix at 9.9
01:01 PM phiplii: My parents have retired from vegetable wholesale :)
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: 9sep
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: are they still eating them
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: or changed to cow,meat
01:02 PM phiplii: they used to see
01:02 PM phiplii: *sell them
01:05 PM Frank___: i guess its time for a forum post, but maybe someone can still save me, i've been one week trying to make a hal for a tandem motor, i've copied hal's from other forum members but still no luck.
01:05 PM Frank___: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25264299/
01:05 PM Frank___: this is my hal right now
01:05 PM Frank___: one motor moves like usual, the other one stands still
01:06 PM Frank___: with that config itried to copy a guy with a working hal on the forum, everything is supposed to be the same but for my config,
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: hi Frank___
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: is the second motor on its own driver
01:06 PM Frank___: yes
01:07 PM Frank___: hi ichguckslive
01:08 PM IchGucksLive: Frank___: only the 2.8 master can do a standard gantry
01:08 PM IchGucksLive: not the 2.7.x
01:08 PM Frank___: but i dont want to have 2 separate home switches
01:09 PM Frank___: i've been told by pcw that it can be done in 2.7
01:09 PM Frank___: maybe i should change to master idk
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: yes but without gantry use
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: yust move the signals direct to the drivers pin
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: not via gantry component
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: Frank___: Q why is the Z driver inverted to be enabled
01:10 PM Frank___: its a stepper
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: makes no sence
01:11 PM Frank___: with +motor free
01:11 PM Frank___: not enable
01:11 PM Frank___: the others are servos with step dir signals
01:12 PM Frank___: before i jumped in to linuxcnc i thought that it did a better job at handling 2 motors on one axis,
01:12 PM Frank___: most of the hobby machines are like that
01:12 PM Frank___: such a waste of opportunities
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: 50% of my stepeprs use 2motors on X
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: and i got no problem as its a a wizard setup run
01:15 PM Frank___: i have a mesa card
01:15 PM Frank___: so pncconf
01:15 PM Frank___: then why is it so hard to find info about it, everything is too old, or too new
01:15 PM Frank___: driving me nuts
01:16 PM IchGucksLive: agree at this days so many is changing
01:16 PM IchGucksLive: ok signaling seams to be right
01:16 PM IchGucksLive: did you start the mashine and looked inti the HAL_sHOW
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: if you press F2 or mashine on
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: do both stepgen 00 01 go enabled
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: are the Servos on power
01:18 PM Frank___: i dont even know where to find info on gantry hal component
01:18 PM Frank___: yes both go enabled
01:18 PM Frank___: one stands still the other moves like it should
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: Frank___: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/
01:19 PM IchGucksLive: there are all components listed
01:19 PM IchGucksLive: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/gantry.9.html
01:20 PM Frank___: that is from 2.8 or 2.7
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: its from the main docs
01:21 PM IchGucksLive: it is overritten and overviewd some times a year
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: so first fault error i see gantry component needs to get the home signal otherwise the gantry enable pin you use is not going to work
01:24 PM Frank___: and whats the difference between gantrykins and gantry
01:24 PM IchGucksLive: the movement
01:24 PM Frank___: i've been trying to jog, and gantrykins says that it moves 1 motor on jog mode
01:25 PM IchGucksLive: you dont need gantryskins
01:25 PM IchGucksLive: from 2.7 up
01:25 PM Frank___: ok
01:25 PM Frank___: so gantry moves 2 motors on jog mode?
01:25 PM IchGucksLive: loadrt trivkins is in your hal
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: Frank___: as you are only doing one home you even dont need gantry
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: yust hook up the driver to stepgen 1
01:26 PM Frank___: i understand thats not "ideal"
01:26 PM Frank___: dont really know why,
01:27 PM IchGucksLive: what i got a problem with
01:27 PM IchGucksLive: is the pid for the 5i25 is set twice
01:27 PM IchGucksLive: i dont think the 2.7 can handle this
01:28 PM Frank___: crap
01:28 PM Frank___: forgot to add the x2
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: remove 122-132
01:29 PM Frank___: the working hal i've seen for a gantry has double pid setp
01:29 PM Frank___: but 1 for x and 1 for x2
01:29 PM Frank___: it doesnt hurt to try
01:29 PM IchGucksLive: yes but it also may have JOINT_4 used
01:30 PM IchGucksLive: Frank___: the NON moving axis is on 157-161
01:30 PM IchGucksLive: as you do not set x2
01:31 PM IchGucksLive: if you go for the same as Xleft
01:31 PM IchGucksLive: you are up and running and can delete 25 lines in hal
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: BUT go for yours first adding X"
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: X2
01:32 PM Frank___: okay
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: it will make the motor move
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: Frank___: you activate 4 stepgens and use 5 pids
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: so pid.s is spindle
01:34 PM Frank___: now x2 moves but
01:34 PM Frank___: really slowly
01:34 PM Frank___: 10x slower than x1
01:34 PM Frank___: this is super fun! *not*
01:36 PM IchGucksLive: is the driver DIP set right
01:36 PM IchGucksLive: so scale uses the same
01:36 PM IchGucksLive: steps per REV
01:36 PM Frank___: on the driver side everything is the same
01:36 PM Frank___: i've copied the config
01:36 PM Frank___: they only have reversed rotation
01:37 PM Frank___: i will try to see what happens if i change stepgens
01:37 PM Frank___: to see if it changes the motor moving slowler
01:40 PM IchGucksLive: i woudt only change line 158
01:43 PM IchGucksLive: Frank___: i need to close GN8
01:43 PM IchGucksLive: going for lunar eclipse
01:43 PM IchGucksLive: to make shure they got same signals open up HAL_SHOW in Mashine Menue
01:43 PM IchGucksLive: go watch folder
01:44 PM Frank___: bye thanks
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: left signals and choos x2-pos-cmd x-pos-cmd
01:44 PM Frank___: changed stepgens
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: to see if they are the same
01:44 PM Frank___: and still right motor
01:44 PM Frank___: slower
01:44 PM Frank___: maybe noise?
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: also x2-vel-cmd
01:44 PM Frank___: idk
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: try to find where the fault is located
01:45 PM IchGucksLive: i bearly advice you to just use X
01:45 PM Frank___: yea
01:45 PM IchGucksLive: and connect it to stepgen01
01:45 PM Frank___: will see
01:45 PM IchGucksLive: non gantry
01:45 PM Frank___: thanks
01:45 PM IchGucksLive: at all
01:45 PM IchGucksLive: yust one pid
01:45 PM IchGucksLive: to 2 stepgens
01:46 PM IchGucksLive: the position comands coming from the gantry comp may not be the same check this
01:46 PM IchGucksLive: in HAL_show
01:46 PM IchGucksLive: BYE
01:49 PM phiplii: anyone got any experience with cheap chinese leadscreew + "ground bar" kits? specifically the "ground bar" supports
01:49 PM phiplii: are they meant to fit without persuasion or re-boring?
01:51 PM JT-Shop: evening phiplii
01:51 PM phiplii: evening JT-Shop
01:51 PM phiplii: how goes?
01:52 PM JT-Shop: hardening up defenses and preparing offense
01:52 PM phiplii: have you considered an cheap camera + infrared floodlight?
01:53 PM JT-Shop: I walk around with a 9mm in my back pocket now... had a chat with the neighbor who has a LOT of chickens and we are working together on this problem
01:53 PM phiplii: if you get a camera without an IR filter you can use it for daytime and nighttime with an IR LED floodlight
01:53 PM JT-Shop: what would that do for me?
01:53 PM phiplii: let you check on them easily after dark
01:54 PM JT-Shop: after dark they are safe and I have a web cam inside the coop
01:54 PM phiplii: :)
01:54 PM JT-Shop: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KMQ7O9M
01:54 PM JT-Shop: that should arrive tomorrow along with the POE switch
01:55 PM phiplii: 9mm : I have a slingshot (what you call a slingshot I think - we tend to call them catapults)
01:55 PM phiplii: for checking on them?
01:56 PM phiplii: I wonder if that website I had the object tracking code from has a motion detection example?
01:57 PM phiplii: or these : https://www.amazon.com/DIYmall-HC-SR501-Motion-Sensor-Module/dp/B012ZZ4LPM/
01:59 PM JT-Shop: yesterday it was 5pm when the coyote hit
02:00 PM phiplii: did you see it?
02:02 PM JT-Shop: no, I saw a dog track by the door to the run so I went round and round looking for it then went into the shop for a minute and came back out and bam it had hit
02:02 PM JT-Shop: I think it was under the garden shed
02:03 PM phiplii: cheeky bugger
02:45 PM FinboySlick: JT-Shop: Cover your chicken's neck feathers with habanero sauce ;)
02:45 PM FinboySlick: They can't taste it but the coyote can.
02:58 PM Loetmichel: FinboySlick: he can even smell it
02:59 PM Loetmichel: and will stay at distance... at least after the first chicken
03:15 PM lunada: i hate coyotes. my dog got into a fight with one recently
03:16 PM lunada: cost me 800 in stitches
03:20 PM Loetmichel: lunada: "land of the free"? if so: thats why you can have guns...
03:51 PM phiplii: bleh. 8'x4' 18mm MDF sheets are a handfull to move around on your own
04:03 PM CaptHindsight: maybe those hybrid inch/mm sheets are heavier? :)
04:18 PM nitrxgen: im after a high precision steel cutter, small/portable/desktop whatever - im looking at shapeoko 3 or something, theres so many to look at really
04:18 PM nitrxgen: cutter = i mean cnc machine
04:19 PM nitrxgen: for cutting small bits of steel, not much bigger than a fist size i guess
04:20 PM nitrxgen: preferably no more than £1000
04:21 PM CaptHindsight: cutting steel and small is not what works
04:21 PM nitrxgen: fine/small engraving would be badass too, tbh, but looking to mostly cut small steel bits probably not any thicker than 5mm
04:22 PM CaptHindsight: you want a rigid machine to cut steel
04:22 PM CaptHindsight: machines like shaponko are routers for wood and plastics
04:22 PM nitrxgen: yeah i figured as much
04:23 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLgOxWN7Sno
04:23 PM nitrxgen: i dont care if it has to feed incredibly slow as long as it works
04:25 PM CaptHindsight: like engraving your way through 5mm steel?
04:26 PM malcom2073: It's not about speed, it's a out rigidity.
04:26 PM malcom2073: About*
04:26 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: these machines CAN usually do Aluiminium
04:26 PM nitrxgen: ok
04:26 PM Loetmichel: but only in very thin/light cuts
04:26 PM Loetmichel: and slow
04:26 PM Loetmichel: steel however is a whole other beast
04:27 PM Loetmichel: unless its really "mild" steel ;)
04:27 PM CaptHindsight: I want a tree that grows money for leaves. Maybe just $200K /year, nothing ridiculous
04:27 PM Loetmichel: hihi, yes, kinda ;)
04:27 PM nitrxgen: so theres nothing desktop sized thats really capable?
04:28 PM Loetmichel: malcom2073: the gantry of these machines is simlly not rigid enough for steel
04:28 PM Loetmichel: the mill bit digs in, excerts a force on the gantry, gantry bends, as a result the bit digs even more in, repeat until bit breaks
04:28 PM Loetmichel: you get the gist?
04:29 PM nitrxgen: Loetmichel, it will be mild steel, im a hobbyist locksmith, steel keys, etc
04:29 PM Loetmichel: ah sorry
04:29 PM Loetmichel: i meant nitrxgen
04:29 PM nitrxgen: yeah i get that problem
04:29 PM CaptHindsight: there is a reason why mills for steel are the same size they were 90 years ago
04:29 PM malcom2073: Heh
04:29 PM CaptHindsight: same for lathes
04:29 PM nitrxgen: i have a super cheap duplicator thing, same exact problem that its not rigid
04:30 PM nitrxgen: but i find if i go slow and firm, it tends to work
04:30 PM nitrxgen: like a milling machine that copies from one key to another
04:30 PM nitrxgen: so the base of it moves
04:30 PM Loetmichel: nitrxgen: problem is that you cant go slow and light enough for something like a shapekoko
04:30 PM CaptHindsight: if it's just 2d work then a plasma cutter might work for you
04:31 PM CaptHindsight: waterjet or laser but it's going to cost far more than 1000
04:31 PM nitrxgen: i dont know if i can justify that
04:31 PM Loetmichel: i did some 0.3mm thin sheet steel (tinned) for an enclosure on my 6040 lately. the 1.2mm wide tungsten bit lastet less than 1 yard of mill channel,.,,
04:32 PM nitrxgen: i may as well get professional locksmithing equipment in that case
04:32 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15065&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
04:32 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15074&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
04:32 PM Loetmichel: each enclosure i killed a bit
04:32 PM Loetmichel: and its not the speed
04:33 PM Loetmichel: the cutting edges break out because of the mill bit "rattling" around
04:33 PM nitrxgen: thats a lot more steel than i plan to cut tbh
04:33 PM nitrxgen: im planning to cut the edge length of a key pretty much
04:34 PM nitrxgen: 2d axis mostly
04:34 PM Loetmichel: then try to get a smaller mill
04:34 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCLZMx_nhsM
04:34 PM Loetmichel: maybe a 3020 with a water cooled spindle
04:34 PM nitrxgen: i dont have anything at the moment
04:34 PM Loetmichel: then it should be possible
04:34 PM nitrxgen: ill look
04:34 PM Loetmichel: the shapekoko is simply not rigid enough
04:35 PM Loetmichel: and the 6040 isnt, either
04:35 PM Loetmichel: the smaller they get the more rigid they are for same thickness linear rods on the gantry
04:36 PM Loetmichel: if you only want to pay so much
04:36 PM Loetmichel: DONT think about the brushed DC motors sold with these though
04:36 PM Loetmichel: they are crap
04:36 PM Loetmichel: especially for side forces
04:37 PM CaptHindsight: are there any small mills made of tungsten?
04:37 PM CaptHindsight: for ~1000
04:37 PM Loetmichel: massive tuingsten? why???
04:38 PM CaptHindsight: trying to fins some way to get around physics to solve his problem
04:38 PM CaptHindsight: fins/find
04:39 PM CaptHindsight: doesn't look like there is :(
04:40 PM nitrxgen: Loetmichel, what can you say bout the 3020? as in why do you suggest it
04:40 PM Loetmichel: mainly because its cheap and "relaively" rigid for its size
04:41 PM CaptHindsight: try before you buy
04:41 PM Loetmichel: s/size/size linear bearings/gantry
04:41 PM CaptHindsight: you might be able to find some used linear positioners made from steel
04:43 PM Loetmichel: ideally you would get something like a knee mill in miniature size
04:43 PM nitrxgen: ive been using a 400W spindle motor by hand for doing manual precision stuff :D far more powerful than i need it to be really, nearly killed myself with it ones or twice tho
04:43 PM nitrxgen: i could probably get away with half that power for the small work i do
04:43 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200660255_200660255
04:43 PM CaptHindsight: manula mill ^^
04:44 PM Loetmichel: https://www.fradashop.de/93/fraesmaschine-bf16-vario
04:44 PM nitrxgen: even a manual mill wouldnt be so bad
04:44 PM Loetmichel: and then CNC-ify it
04:44 PM nitrxgen: yeah
04:44 PM nitrxgen: lol
04:44 PM Loetmichel: these can do steel
04:44 PM nitrxgen: i have a SKS key copier
04:44 PM nitrxgen: one of these, https://i.ytimg.com/vi/l2Wnll_3PYM/maxresdefault.jpg
04:45 PM nitrxgen: ive been thinking how fun it would be to automate the handles just to get it to do what i want
04:45 PM nitrxgen: but thats why im thinking about getting a cnc or something different compared to this machine
04:47 PM CaptHindsight: all steel and it's for cutting brass
04:48 PM CaptHindsight: brass vs steel key stock vs 5mm steel
04:48 PM CaptHindsight: that quite a jump in requirements
04:48 PM CaptHindsight: think about what you really will use it for most often
04:49 PM nitrxgen: i never said brass
04:49 PM CaptHindsight: yes, but that what key cutters cut most often
04:49 PM nitrxgen: yeah because theyre cheap stock
04:50 PM CaptHindsight: and look at how rigid that machine is made
04:50 PM nitrxgen: i try to stick with steel, and come to think of it, it's actually usually nickel silver keys, not steel
04:51 PM nitrxgen: i know thats a huge difference, but im thinking slow tonight
04:51 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.learnengineering.org/2013/01/cutting-force-analysis-merchant-circle.html
04:51 PM nitrxgen: i remember now, i tried cutting steel on that key cutter and it was horrible, didnt break but you know you just definitely shouldnt do it
04:52 PM Loetmichel: rattling like crazy i imagine?
04:52 PM nitrxgen: not rattling, that machine is solid af, but lots of awful noise
04:53 PM nitrxgen: screaming metal on metal kind of noise
04:53 PM Loetmichel: yeah, the cutting disc is rattlign over the surface of the steel, not cutting
04:53 PM Loetmichel: call it resonance
04:53 PM nitrxgen: yeah, it cut, but super slow passes
04:53 PM Loetmichel: something is bending there and causing exactly the effect i meant earlier
04:54 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KceXIKPWEo Chatter in Turning
04:54 PM nitrxgen: i love my little key copier machine, best £200 i spent in ages
04:55 PM CaptHindsight: When is Chatter OK? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJL9FkdUPjc
04:55 PM Loetmichel: thanks, CaptHindsight. i am not a native english speaker... chatter eluded me as a word ;)
04:58 PM CaptHindsight: schwatzen, plappern, klappern, rattern, schnattern, quatschen all came up using the google for translation
04:58 PM Loetmichel: yeah
04:59 PM Loetmichel: i meant chatter instead of rattling
04:59 PM Loetmichel: just didnt knew it was used that way
04:59 PM Loetmichel: oder once knew it and didnt remember
04:59 PM Loetmichel: -de
05:00 PM CaptHindsight: chatter is the word used when talking about machining
05:00 PM phiplii: CaptHindsight: I have that "manual mill" - different branding, same machine :)
05:00 PM Loetmichel: klappern is the german word for rattling btw ;)
05:00 PM phiplii: the first one
05:01 PM nitrxgen: im condiering getting a 3020 i think
05:02 PM CaptHindsight: nitrxgen: you have to shop around to find a good one
05:03 PM Loetmichel: nitrxgen: if you have the money: go for the conventional mill thing
05:03 PM Loetmichel: in small
05:03 PM Loetmichel: like the one CaptHindsight and i showed you
05:03 PM Loetmichel: these are MADE for steel
05:03 PM Loetmichel: and are pretty easy converted to CNC
05:03 PM CaptHindsight: https://imagebin.ca/v/2aq2qZUtbOIM rusty fasteners, lots of lash
05:04 PM phiplii: nitrxgen: I have the first little mill that CaptHindsight shared, and a 30x40... they're very different in capability regarding metal
05:04 PM phiplii: the 3040 struggles with aluminium - you have to get things right
05:04 PM CaptHindsight: https://imagebin.ca/v/2TYvESEACWSs it took a lot of work to get it into shape
05:04 PM phiplii: the little conventional mill... cuts steel
05:05 PM phiplii: CaptHindsight: cloning the machine?
05:05 PM CaptHindsight: https://imagebin.ca/v/2aq3eWhTxbGY unsupported on the ends of the ball screws
05:05 PM Loetmichel: ouch
05:05 PM Loetmichel: thats baaad
05:06 PM CaptHindsight: 2mm+ of lash
05:06 PM nitrxgen: Loetmichel, i think the cnc would be much more advantageous than just a mill
05:06 PM nitrxgen: with what i do anyway
05:06 PM Loetmichel: nitrxgen: thats why i said: those mills are realtively easy converted to CNC
05:07 PM Loetmichel: but they are MADE for steel
05:07 PM CaptHindsight: except for the Jacobs chuck
05:07 PM Loetmichel: any gantry mill aside from some really professional stuff is only made for wood and aluminum at maximum
05:07 PM phiplii: Yeah... I have collets in mine
05:07 PM Loetmichel: jacobs chuck is a problem
05:08 PM phiplii: takes a morse 3
05:08 PM phiplii: so easy enough to find
05:08 PM Loetmichel: but even that works for a while (if its one tahts fastend inside and not just a cone fit)
05:08 PM phiplii: mt3b or whatever - with the thread
05:08 PM Loetmichel: yes
05:09 PM phiplii: https://www.banggood.com/ER32-MT3-M12-Morse-Taper-Milling-Collet-Chuck-Holder-CNC-Cutter-Arbor-p-945093.html
05:18 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/Lesson-4/Newton-s-Third-Law
05:18 PM CaptHindsight: you want chips to come off the material being cut, not the machine to bend
05:19 PM CaptHindsight: thats why you need a rigid machine to cut rigid materials
05:21 PM Loetmichel: exactly
05:35 PM nitrxgen: headache >.<
05:36 PM Deejay: gn8
07:40 PM Tom_L: how do you screen capture in linux?
07:41 PM Tom_L: trying to capture the hal configuration screen
07:42 PM skunkworks: Tom_L, what version of linux? if printscreen doesn't work then applications -> accesories -> screenshot
07:42 PM Tom_L: wheezy
07:42 PM Tom_L: working on spindle orient
07:43 PM Tom_L: i think i need to figure out the pid
07:45 PM Tom_L: how do you feed a positional pid so it knows it's not in position?
07:59 PM BeachBumPete: Tom_L Hey man howzitgoin?
08:00 PM Tom_L: i got the config to run but it's not doing all it's supposed to yet
08:00 PM Tom_L: but at least i get no errors now
08:01 PM BeachBumPete: I am not really sure what it is you are doing but I am pleased that you are making progress ;)
08:01 PM Tom_L: gotta figure out how to feed the positional PID so it will output a value
08:01 PM Tom_L: when i get a tool change request i feed it to orient
08:02 PM Tom_L: which switches from velocity PID to positional PID and a mux switches the outputs
08:02 PM Tom_L: i need to get the pid to work now
08:02 PM Tom_L: lemme go out and take a couple screen shots of the hal config
08:02 PM BeachBumPete: what are you using this on?
08:02 PM Tom_L: my sherline
08:03 PM Tom_L: but it's got everything it needs to do this
08:03 PM BeachBumPete: oh cool did you built some sort of toolchanger?
08:03 PM Tom_L: no
08:03 PM Tom_L: the tool changer part comes after this
08:03 PM BeachBumPete: there is a guy that makes a neat one for the sherline as I recall
08:03 PM Tom_L: yeah i'm sure he's proud of it too
08:04 PM BeachBumPete: yeah I am sure but I think he sells the plans actually
08:04 PM Tom_L: i've seen it
08:04 PM Tom_L: or i've seen one anyway
08:04 PM BeachBumPete: its quite well done and works like a brother overhead carousel
08:04 PM Tom_L: heading to the shop
08:18 PM BeachBumPete: http://awarenessact.com/neuroscientistss-discover-a-song-that-reduces-anxiety-by-65-percent-listen/?utm_content=buffer254cd&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
08:18 PM Tom_shop: ok lemme upload these screenshots
08:18 PM BeachBumPete: this is interesting
08:19 PM BeachBumPete: apparently this one song can help sooth anxiousness and stess by up to 65 percent in a scientific study
08:19 PM BeachBumPete: I also thought it was interesting because the drone looks just like JT's ;)
08:21 PM Tom_shop: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/screenshots/M3_Spindle_on.png
08:21 PM Tom_shop: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/screenshots/T5_M6_Screenshot.png
08:21 PM Tom_shop: ok, the first one is with just the spindle running normally
08:22 PM Tom_shop: the 2nd one is after a toolchange: T5 M6
08:23 PM Tom_shop: woops, i forgot the pid.0.enable but it is..
08:25 PM BeachBumPete: interesting
08:26 PM Tom_shop: lemme update them..
08:26 PM BeachBumPete: so are you just using some switches to signify these changes of state/
08:26 PM Tom_shop: this is all hal
08:27 PM Tom_shop: hooked up to my sherline spindle
08:27 PM Tom_shop: refresh and you can see both enables now
08:27 PM Tom_shop: notice it switches which pid is active
08:28 PM Tom_shop: but the positional PID.1. isn't doing anything
08:29 PM Tom_shop: i'm trying to figure out what to feed it so it know's it's not to it's setpoint
08:30 PM BeachBumPete: this is all to enable the spindle orient or does it also allow the Z axis movement during the toolchange?
08:30 PM Tom_shop: i'll put the hal file there.. just a sec
08:30 PM Tom_shop: no z axis yet, that comes after orient
08:30 PM BeachBumPete: I thought there already was an orient setup in LinuxCNC?
08:31 PM Tom_shop: you still have to configure it
08:32 PM BeachBumPete: ah ok
08:32 PM Tom_shop: i just put my .hal file in that directory
08:32 PM Tom_shop: all the connections are througout the file
08:33 PM Tom_shop: the components are orient, mux2, iocontrol, motion.spindle
08:33 PM Tom_shop: all have to do with orient
08:33 PM BeachBumPete: wow
08:34 PM Tom_shop: now, i am still using the hal_manualtoolchange since i don't have a tool changer but...it's called after oriented goes true
08:34 PM BeachBumPete: perhaps orient is a lot more complicated than my just hooking up the analog control setup LOL
08:34 PM Tom_shop: yeah, there's alot in there. just ignore most of it
08:34 PM Tom_shop: you've got to hook a few components up, yes
08:35 PM Tom_shop: but it's certainly doable
08:35 PM BeachBumPete: ok
08:35 PM Tom_shop: i think i may have comments with 'orient' in them where most of the changes are
08:35 PM BeachBumPete: well at least if you go thru it and I ATTEMPT it you might be able to at least help me a little online ;)
08:36 PM Tom_shop: i'm hoping somebody here can tell me how to feed PID.1. to get it to respond
08:37 PM Tom_shop: that's why i posted all the signals
08:37 PM Tom_shop: with it running normally with a M3 then with a Tx M6 toolchange
08:38 PM BeachBumPete: this shit gives me a headache :)
08:38 PM Tom_shop: the normal PID channel goes thru the mux and out to the pin just fine
08:38 PM Tom_shop: BeachBumPete, it's just wires and software
08:39 PM Adamj12b: In the garage working on the mill. Looking for a hint. Im getting a "home switch active before start of latch move" error when trying to home.
08:39 PM BeachBumPete: we did a mux thing to allow the spindle encoder to work on the machine
08:39 PM Adamj12b: Btw, hows it going? :P
08:39 PM Tom_shop: Adamj12b, look at my screenshots
08:39 PM BeachBumPete: is your home switch active?
08:40 PM Tom_shop: are you using home and limit switches as one?
08:40 PM Adamj12b: As soon as it activates i get that error
08:40 PM Adamj12b: Yes. Home and negative.
08:40 PM BeachBumPete: as soon as what activates
08:40 PM Tom_shop: fix that in the ini
08:40 PM Adamj12b: The switch.
08:40 PM BeachBumPete: probably your home settings
08:42 PM Tom_shop: HOME_USE_INDEX = NO
08:42 PM Tom_shop: HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS = YES
08:42 PM Tom_shop: HOME_SEQUENCE = 1
08:42 PM Tom_shop: one of those probably
08:42 PM Tom_shop: for each axis
08:42 PM Adamj12b: Tom_shop Which screenshot?
08:42 PM Adamj12b: Im trying to use index.
08:42 PM Tom_shop: i posted them
08:43 PM BeachBumPete: you probably have your home offset setting wrong or something
08:43 PM Tom_shop: my home position is just off the limit switch
08:43 PM BeachBumPete: STBU
08:43 PM Adamj12b: Ok. Ill try those.
08:43 PM Tom_shop: HOME_OFFSET = 0.10
08:44 PM Tom_shop: look in the log for the screenshot links
08:45 PM Tom_shop: i'm headed back inside
08:46 PM BeachBumPete: https://pastebin.com/qeMm0Chd here's my old INI should work similarly
08:50 PM Tom_L: you don't have HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS
08:51 PM BeachBumPete: me?
08:51 PM Tom_L: that's your ini isn't it?
08:51 PM BeachBumPete: yeah my machine has homes and limits on all three axes
08:51 PM Tom_L: oh wait.. i missed it
08:52 PM Tom_L: mine are just the opposite
08:52 PM BeachBumPete: I just thought he might be able to determine what is wrong with his based on how mine is setup not that it is identical to his.
08:52 PM Tom_L: HOME_USE_INDEX=NO, HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS=YES
08:52 PM Tom_L: yeah
08:53 PM BeachBumPete: that is what yours has?
08:54 PM Tom_L: yeah
08:54 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/sherline.ini
08:58 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete do you have different encoders on your axis?
08:59 PM BeachBumPete: I don't honestly remember ;)
08:59 PM BeachBumPete: I know the Z is different than the X and Y
09:00 PM Tom_L: the scale numbers are sure different in each axis
09:00 PM BeachBumPete: well whatever it is we set it up that way for a reason and I am not even sure if that is the current ini file
09:01 PM Tom_L: hope you have backups of your setup...
09:01 PM BeachBumPete: we did not have the actual screw information so we had to move and measure etc.
09:01 PM BeachBumPete: yeah I do..somewhere hehe
09:01 PM BeachBumPete: speaking of backups
09:01 PM Tom_L: my hdd went south and i had them but i had to figure out which one it was
09:02 PM BeachBumPete: when I get this board built for the CNC lathe I was hoping to sort of copy a lot of this stuff to my lathe from the Cinci
09:02 PM Tom_L: you probably can
09:03 PM BeachBumPete: I know I will have to change a bunch of stuff but I will be using similar drives and the same spindle drive so I am hoping it will be easier to just copy stuff over
09:03 PM Tom_L: i'm still sifting thru bad files i scavanged from the old hdd
09:04 PM BeachBumPete: amazing the amount of shit we collect huh
09:04 PM Tom_L: it didn't have that much on it
09:05 PM Tom_L: it ran ddrescue for 3-4 days
09:05 PM BeachBumPete: I gotta be honest with you man
09:05 PM BeachBumPete: my understanding of linuxCNC is poor at best
09:05 PM Tom_L: read
09:05 PM BeachBumPete: were it not for the help I got my machine would probably have never run
09:05 PM Tom_L: that's what i do
09:05 PM BeachBumPete: I mean
09:05 PM Tom_L: i pick something like this i wanna learn about and try it
09:05 PM BeachBumPete: when we are working on it
09:06 PM BeachBumPete: and I am directly involved
09:06 PM BeachBumPete: I learn it and for the most part I remember it
09:06 PM BeachBumPete: but when it comes to the major changes like adding software to the program
09:06 PM Tom_L: everybody's setup is a little different
09:06 PM BeachBumPete: that goes right over my head
09:06 PM Tom_L: that's the good and bad thing about linuxcnc
09:07 PM BeachBumPete: for instance when Ian helped me do the modbus setup with zeeshan that was pretty much alien chinese arithmetic
09:07 PM Tom_L: yeah i don't know modbus
09:07 PM BeachBumPete: I really had no idea what the hell they were talking about
09:07 PM Tom_L: i'm sure it's just a protocol
09:07 PM Tom_L: like canbus etc
09:07 PM BeachBumPete: and he was typing shit so fast on the keyboard I could not have followed if I tried
09:08 PM BeachBumPete: he TRIED to explain what he was doing but meh
09:09 PM BeachBumPete: on a lot of levels I feel bad that I understood so little about it. when I am confronted with something I have to fix or make work I did read the relevant parts of the manual
09:10 PM BeachBumPete: some of this stuff is quite complicated
09:10 PM Tom_L: yeah, you just gotta absorb a little at a time
09:11 PM BeachBumPete: I'm tryin'
09:12 PM BeachBumPete: honestly I am optimistic that I will learn something just working thru this orient stuff with your help.
09:18 PM Tom_L: awww sh**
09:19 PM Tom_L: i forgot to enable the do-pid-calcs
09:19 PM BeachBumPete: heh I thought you meant Aww shit about helping me LOL
09:19 PM Tom_L: gonna go try it again
09:31 PM Tom_shop: ok, now i'm getting output at least
09:31 PM Tom_shop: i need to increase the gains
09:48 PM Tom_L: ok, i need to get the gain to snap quicker
09:48 PM Tom_L: not sure which term will do that on a positional PID
09:49 PM adamj12b-web_: BeachBumPete: Do you have you HAL file that goes with that INI?
09:50 PM Tom_L: that and i need to add enables to the fwd rev relays. wasn't sure if i needed that
09:54 PM Tom_L: and that's a mess because i have added delays to the relays to increase the contact life
09:55 PM Tom_L: along with spindle inhibit signal
10:22 PM MrBusiness: I'm considering obtaining a LulzBot TAZ 6. Anyone here have any advice with respects to which parts I should obtain along with it to maximize the types of materials that I can print with. It seems at a glance as though I need to obtain at least one aftermarket print header to do metal filaments.
10:27 PM Tom_L: hmm, the relays should be handled with the hm2 pwmgen direction signal
10:31 PM Tom_L: ok then. the PID gain must be too low then
10:33 PM Vitran_: MrBusiness The TAZ is good. From the multitude of 3D printers I have dealt with, the Ultimaker 2X is the best one for reliability, quality, out of the box readyness. The TAZ are also good, but I only know one person with one and he likes it. The hot and cold end of the extruder are where 95% of the problems with the printer lay. If the nozzle works, everything else is easy.
10:33 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
10:33 PM MrBusiness: Interesting
10:34 PM Vitran_: Really, any 3D printer you can find on aliexpress will do the xyz motions. The TAZ has a good reliable nozzle.
10:34 PM MrBusiness: I'm fond of the TAZ as it seems to have the most "FOS(S|H)-friendly" pedigree
10:34 PM Vitran_: The printer I love is my delta from Blue Eagle Labs https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blueeaglelabs/the-metal-delta-build-your-own-metal-delta-printer
10:35 PM MrBusiness: and the alternative materials offered, the wood and the metal printing, is something I think I would have a lot of fun with.
10:35 PM Vitran_: TAZ is good that way too. There were a few good companies that died around 2014
10:35 PM MrBusiness: Hmm.
10:35 PM Vitran_: The other big issue is ensuring that the filament sticks to the bed
10:35 PM MrBusiness: I'm probably just enough of a dullard that I'm also partial to pre-assembled printers
10:35 PM MrBusiness: as I'm sure I don't have all the parts necessary to optimally build any DIY printers
10:36 PM Vitran_: The hotter the material, the more it shrinks after it leaves the nozzle. This will separate it from the bed.
10:36 PM MrBusiness: I might have to build some kind of CNC 3D painter machine though. Not sure.
10:36 PM Vitran_: The 3D printers run off of GRBL
10:36 PM MrBusiness: yeah, I aso gotta figure out what 3D modeling and CAD progams to use outside of MagicaVoxel and Blender
10:37 PM Vitran_: Blender works. OnShape is great
10:37 PM MrBusiness: I imagine there must be some kind of free software suite that can produce CAD models in the traditional boolean function aggregation method that seems germane to volumetric modeling
10:37 PM Vitran_: I have too many years of experience in Blender to drop it.
10:37 PM Vitran_: Free would be OnShape
10:37 PM MrBusiness: not very efficient on polygonal convex hulls, but that's more for internal representations of 3D volumes
10:38 PM Vitran_: OnShape has a free licence for users, but your models will be 'public'
10:38 PM MrBusiness: when viewed on the screen as 2D blits, anyway, with frustum culling.
10:38 PM MrBusiness: hm, weird
10:38 PM MrBusiness: well, I'm sure there are a number of suites that will be at least partially compatible
10:39 PM Vitran_: I'm doing some metal casting with 3D printing
10:39 PM MrBusiness: I just know that I don't always get the same results opening models made in one program in another program, at least such is the case with magicavoxel and blender
10:39 PM Vitran_: you can do that.
10:39 PM MrBusiness: magicavoxel models saved in certain formats end up looking funky in Blender
10:39 PM MrBusiness: is that laying it down ala other 3D printer filaments?
10:39 PM MrBusiness: a sort of additive solder over time, I guess
10:40 PM MrBusiness: I'd imagine that 3D printable metal reels resemble solder
10:40 PM Vitran_: http://makezine.com/projects/guide-to-3d-printing-2014/metal-casting-with-your-3d-printer/
10:40 PM MrBusiness: might even be the same basic design, rosin over some loose, dribbly, conductive metal
10:40 PM MrBusiness: hm, bismuth, eh
10:41 PM MrBusiness: How exciting
10:41 PM MrBusiness: I've always wanted to get a few ingots of bismuth and some kind of zinc alloy
10:41 PM Vitran_: Thermal expansion is the main issue. Also, there is some dumb patent thing about having an environmental chamber. If you have a chamber around the 3D printer to keep things a few degreees below melting point, that is a breach of patent
10:41 PM MrBusiness: maybe the same metal they used to build the Rohm .22S revolver
10:42 PM MrBusiness: hm, weird
10:42 PM MrBusiness: is that to say someone is gonna try to target me for a lawsuit if I run my printer in a certain fashion? how would this be given away?
10:42 PM Vitran_: Most metal printing is done with sintered metal and a laser to melt the powdered metal onto the body.
10:43 PM MrBusiness: is there some kind of Judas Jones Reporting Daemon Driver running in printers with such chambers, snitchin'?
10:43 PM MrBusiness: I ain't down with having my 3D printer snitching on me, otherwise I will not be able to find the best plastic material to use to make some plastic knives
10:44 PM Vitran_: Oh, the patent. The patent is to have an enclosure around the 3D printer area to prevent cold breeze to change the printing. The reason that no 3D printers under $10k have an enclosure is because of that dumb patent
10:44 PM MrBusiness: obviously it's no ceramic but if it can cut a rare ribeye steak in two then it passes muster
10:44 PM Vitran_: If you make it for yourself, no problem. You can make it.
10:44 PM MrBusiness: Yeah, just need foldable walls and a ceiling
10:45 PM MrBusiness: can probably modify an old piece of furniture
10:45 PM Vitran_: cardboard works, but worry about causing a fire and all
10:45 PM MrBusiness: just need air pump and the ability to form a vacuum
10:45 PM Vitran_: The printer can get hot and there have been a few fires with them
10:45 PM MrBusiness: hm :|
10:46 PM Vitran_: If you had it in a vacuum, I don't think the stepper motors would survive
10:46 PM Vitran_: I think they'd get toasty
10:46 PM MrBusiness: that's slightly unsettling, though I can't really imagine that I won't sit and watch my statue of a person watching paint dry on a picket fence
10:46 PM MrBusiness: I certainly shall watch it print to life
10:47 PM Vitran_: Just make it in a fireproof area
10:47 PM MrBusiness: No part of my apartment is fireproof, save maybe the bathrooms
10:47 PM Vitran_: Balcony?
10:47 PM MrBusiness: maybe I can put down some burn-proof matting and tarps in the room where it gets deployed
10:47 PM MrBusiness: Ugh, then it'll get rained on
10:48 PM Vitran_: Small little rainproof box?
10:48 PM MrBusiness: The weather here is too violent and evil to store things outdoors
10:48 PM MrBusiness: I guess that's a thought, but I imagine that with a TAZ 6 full-size it won't be that little
10:48 PM MrBusiness: that looks like a reasonably hefty printer
10:48 PM MrBusiness: but you raise a point, if I employ slightly heavier deck furniture than the pieces of plastic crap I literally dug out of the garbage
10:49 PM MrBusiness: get something with enough heft to stay put, then mount the printer atop that
10:49 PM MrBusiness: I guess it could work
10:49 PM MrBusiness: I worry though, it also gets hot here
10:49 PM MrBusiness: otherwise it's all rainy and humid
10:49 PM MrBusiness: and the winters are awful
10:49 PM MrBusiness: cold just slices right through the bone
10:49 PM MrBusiness: leaving the very soul chilled to the bone
10:50 PM Vitran_: Another thing, I would suggest the Ultimaker 2X for having easier leveling, setup, and smaller table space requirements if you are in an appartment
10:51 PM Vitran_: https://ultimaker.com/en/community/20997-ulticreatr-2x-dual-extrusion-for-ultimaker-2-and-ultimaker-2
10:51 PM Vitran_: it is a nice little box shape. The Taz has the bed move side to side, needing more table space
10:54 PM Vitran_: Then you can get big deltas that are cheap to scale up without too much cost in materials. Just taller vertical tubes. https://www.3dizingof.com/3D-Printing/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Richrap-creator-of-the-3drMEGA-delta-printer.jpg