#linuxcnc Logs
Aug 06 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
02:00 AM IchGucksLive: morning from Germany
02:04 AM IchGucksLive: off 2 garden till later
02:20 AM Deejay: moin
03:21 AM XXCoder: omg I'm home
06:03 AM jthornton: morning
06:21 AM Deejay: hi jt
08:13 AM IchGucksLive: hi from a nice sunny germany
08:20 AM jthornton: hi from rainy Swamp East Missouri
08:21 AM IchGucksLive: jt it offen rains in swamp areas
08:21 AM jthornton: this area used to be a giant cypress swamp
08:21 AM jthornton: now only one small swamp left
08:22 AM IchGucksLive: humens are the most hazzard species
08:35 AM Tom_L: looks like more to the west of you jthornton
08:35 AM Tom_L: poured here last evening
08:35 AM Tom_L: saved some for you though
08:43 AM jthornton: yea yesterday was supposed to be a nice day for a bike ride... we went 400 miles with 225 miles in the rain
08:43 AM Tom_L: were the brats worth it :D
08:46 AM jthornton: yea, we got a cooler full of them
08:47 AM Tom_L: oh, do you still work on the lcnc docs?
08:49 AM Tom_L: i think i found a typo or a 'confusing' line
08:54 AM jthornton: yes, I need to figure out where they are now lol
08:55 AM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/remap/remap.html#_the_remap_statement
08:55 AM Tom_L: under 3.3. The argspec parameter
08:55 AM Tom_L: The n (greater-than) character
08:58 AM Tom_L: i know what it means but did read it a couple times :D
09:39 AM jthornton: yea that does not make sense
09:44 AM nitrxgen: ping?
09:46 AM jthornton: communication failure
09:47 AM nitrxgen: :<
11:08 AM IchGucksLive: hi
11:11 AM phiplii: afternoon IchGucksLive
11:12 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
11:15 AM phiplii: do you ever bolt some kind of square (as in an "L" shaped thing) to a machine for quick alignment?
11:15 AM phiplii: I feel like one would be useful
11:16 AM JT-Shop: that would be a quick way to set X0 and Y0 for a router type mill
11:17 AM phiplii: especially combined with a proper homing setup...
11:17 AM IchGucksLive: why
11:18 AM IchGucksLive: the last point is always stored
11:18 AM IchGucksLive: oh you mean for more parts in a row
11:18 AM IchGucksLive: as a part zero
11:19 AM IchGucksLive: better to use a fixed fixure
11:19 AM malcom2073_: phiplii: I've done that before as a work stop
11:21 AM phiplii: IchGucksLive: I don't have a touch probe - just a small hobby machine
11:22 AM IchGucksLive: phiplii: as we all do
11:22 AM IchGucksLive: use krokodile clamps to het you a selfmade probel
11:23 AM IchGucksLive: get
11:23 AM IchGucksLive: 1/8" will also probe your mashine
11:23 AM malcom2073_: We got this really cool touch probe, it touches off the tool for diameter: It turns the spindle in reverse slowly and moves until the tool touches the probe. Because it's spinning on reverse, it doesn't cut the probe
11:23 AM IchGucksLive: in all axis
11:23 AM malcom2073_: I'd never seen that sort of thing before
11:24 AM IchGucksLive: malcom2073_: that is the best
11:24 AM IchGucksLive: the real mill in education with 6mm bit only does the same
11:25 AM phiplii: IchGucksLive: I use crocodile clips to probe PCBs, but not so useful for plastic :)
11:27 AM malcom2073_: You could have a metal block of a know size, that you could zero off of
11:27 AM malcom2073_: like a square, that sits nicely against the edge of your part
11:27 AM IchGucksLive: phiplii: use the FR4 to probe the plastics
11:27 AM IchGucksLive: solder the wirer to the pice
11:28 AM IchGucksLive: or simply a led pin
11:28 AM IchGucksLive: as you know the thickness of the plate and the tool
11:28 AM phiplii: I'm ok with the Z - I was talking about using the square to set X and Y to a know value quickly
11:29 AM IchGucksLive: you also can make a side panell number entry to set the offset as touched
11:29 AM IchGucksLive: X+,X-,Y+,Y- pyvcp buttions that trigger the ngs file
11:31 AM phiplii: still need the work in the right place?
11:32 AM IchGucksLive: i made s screenshut http://pasteall.org/pic/index.php?id=117800
11:32 AM JT-Shop: I made a plate for a friend with a series of dowel holes for location and threaded holes for hold downs
11:33 AM IchGucksLive: thats the practical one
11:33 AM IchGucksLive: he said he is hobby
11:38 AM phiplii: JT-Shop : so you just drop dowels into holes and push the work up against it?
11:38 AM phiplii: IchGucksLive: I've been considering putting a grid of holes in my next waste board
11:39 AM phiplii: counterbore them from the underside and use threaded inserts
11:39 AM phiplii: quick way of getting decent threads in the right place
11:40 AM JT-Shop: yes
11:43 AM IchGucksLive: AL plates are cheep
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: clamp sets also
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: https://www.paulimot.de/spannmittel/spannpratzen/523/spannpratzen-set-58-teilig-m6/8-mm-mit-wandhalter?c=187
11:48 AM IchGucksLive: cook nick mtpocketscnc
11:48 AM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc: does it "mill the pockets with cnc "
11:50 AM phiplii: does mt = empty?
11:50 AM IchGucksLive: oh in wisconsin it might be so
11:50 AM mtpocketscnc: yep mt is mt
11:50 AM mtpocketscnc: empty
11:51 AM phiplii: spent all your money on the CNC?
11:51 AM mtpocketscnc: yes and still doing so
11:51 AM phiplii: :)
11:51 AM IchGucksLive: better to bye a flower for the lady then a co8 bit
11:52 AM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc: what size is the mashine
11:53 AM mtpocketscnc: im just under 4' by 4'
11:53 AM phiplii: cough. but how big is your machine?
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: feet
11:53 AM mtpocketscnc: yes
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: is it a plasma
11:53 AM phiplii: IchGucksLive: yeah - single prime is feet, double prime is inches (' and ")
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: as sqare dimention
11:54 AM mtpocketscnc: no would be considered cnc router i would say
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: routers most have a short and a long side
11:54 AM mtpocketscnc: no router though 3hp china water cooled spindle
11:55 AM IchGucksLive: and CN ballscrews and rails
11:55 AM mtpocketscnc: i built mine from scratch from mostly square tubing
11:55 AM IchGucksLive: cool
11:55 AM IchGucksLive: so how is it build state or running mill
11:56 AM mtpocketscnc: ending build state
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: if you got a Q just ask
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: we are only gussing
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: im in germany
11:57 AM mtpocketscnc: i got a guy down the road with a cnc plasma that has been cutting out my important parts been going good
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: best to have that friends with big mashines
11:58 AM mtpocketscnc: have a week of work to finish up z assembly hopefully
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: so did you mount the motors
11:59 AM mtpocketscnc: just about all is done except for mounting spindle to z assembly
11:59 AM mtpocketscnc: then gotta take apart again to paint
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: so you expect first light this month
12:00 PM mtpocketscnc: yes have my fingers crossed
12:00 PM phiplii: mtpocketscnc: do you have any photos?
12:01 PM mtpocketscnc: i havent been taking any but i plan to go out and work on after my baby goes for nap. I can take a few then. been meaning to anyway
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: i need to move on till later
12:05 PM mtpocketscnc: is anyone hear doing all open source workflow for engravings? I've been doing all my testing with freecad pycam and inkscape
12:09 PM phiplii: mtpocketscnc: I'm not a pro, but I make a point of only using open source software for the CNC
12:10 PM phiplii: I've used freecad, pycam and inkscape
12:10 PM phiplii: had issues with the gcode generation in freecad
12:10 PM phiplii: it would glitch sometimes
12:10 PM phiplii: pycam is... slow
12:10 PM phiplii: but works well for engraving
12:10 PM phiplii: (slow was when I was doing complex 3D toolpaths)
12:10 PM mtpocketscnc: yes on pycam lol
12:11 PM phiplii: do you have gcodetools installed in inkscape?
12:11 PM mtpocketscnc: and my goal is 3d scenes mostly
12:11 PM phiplii: then the best I've found so far is image-to-gcode
12:11 PM mtpocketscnc: no i have been putting saved svg through pycam
12:12 PM phiplii: for 3D?
12:13 PM mtpocketscnc: no luck with 3d yet just simple 2d engravings
12:13 PM phiplii: This was a image-to-gcode test I did : http://elephantandchicken.co.uk/misc/IMG_20170724_221509.jpg
12:13 PM mtpocketscnc: thats where my beating around the bush was going to
12:13 PM phiplii: a bit rough, but that is me being impatient
12:14 PM phiplii: best thing about it is the speed at which it generates the gcode
12:14 PM phiplii: although it is a little limited
12:15 PM phiplii: my software chain was 3d image -> meshlab -> gimp -> image-to-gcode
12:16 PM phiplii: meshlab has a render mode that renders colour based on distance from camera, so you can use it to convert a 3D model into a map
12:16 PM phiplii: *depth map
12:17 PM mtpocketscnc: so do you think i could do the thing ive been reading on where you take 70 pics of something and run it through a process like that
12:18 PM phiplii: yes, but it is more difficult than it sounds
12:18 PM phiplii: I tried to do it
12:19 PM phiplii: and failed
12:19 PM phiplii: it works best if you have a rig to photograph it, where the camera moves and lighting stays the same
12:19 PM phiplii: I tried to do it with autodesks free online tool and didn't get anywhere
12:19 PM phiplii: took /loads/ of photos
12:20 PM mtpocketscnc: ah ic so pics have to be ideal
12:20 PM phiplii: there are some other desktop & free programs to do it...
12:20 PM phiplii: perhaps they work better
12:20 PM phiplii: I gve up and did something else
12:20 PM phiplii: http://elephantandchicken.co.uk/projects/eleCAM.png
12:22 PM mtpocketscnc: yeah i was also looking at stuff like that too..i checked out some free stl files for horses scene but failed when trying to run through pycam
12:22 PM phiplii: what sort of thing are you planning to cut? Headboards? Cupboard doors? Or purely ornamental stuff?
12:23 PM mtpocketscnc: was thinnking ornamental stuff
12:23 PM phiplii: The stuff I've linked to was all free downloaded models
12:23 PM Tom_L: phiplii, grid plates are a very common way to do fixturing
12:23 PM Tom_L: <- reading the logs
12:23 PM mtpocketscnc: like nice fitting boxes with 3d image on them etc
12:24 PM Tom_L: alot of tooling fixtures are made for that purpose
12:24 PM phiplii: Tom_L: cheers :) - I was thinking of using the two together - making a plate with threaded holes and then screwing a square to it for speed location
12:25 PM phiplii: mtpocketscnc: I made a box with a picture cut in it for a retiring workmate
12:25 PM phiplii: that sort of thing?
12:26 PM Tom_L: my bud used a grid pattern of dowelpin and threaded holes every other one spaced 2" apart iirc
12:27 PM mtpocketscnc: yeah mostly ornate boxes for jewlry keepsakes and such i was thinking
12:27 PM phiplii: heh. look out with the cheep boxes from amazon
12:27 PM phiplii: man are they not level (I found out)
12:28 PM phiplii: well, the top wasn't too bad
12:28 PM phiplii: but I tried to put a partition inside
12:28 PM Tom_L: http://www.jergensinc.com/site/templates/pdfs/jergens_quick_change_web_1011.pdf
12:28 PM phiplii: and the wall heights were something like 5mm different front to back!
12:28 PM Tom_L: he used stuff like that
12:29 PM phiplii: mtpocketscnc: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0074H17BS
12:29 PM phiplii: the one of them I used was very wonky
12:30 PM phiplii: Tom_L: still loading :)
12:30 PM Tom_L: it was another brand with more options but similar
12:31 PM mtpocketscnc: be back in a bit. i have to go get baby ready for nap
12:31 PM Tom_L: makes setups go alot quicker
12:35 PM BeachBumPete: Damn I HATE working on cars anymore :(
12:35 PM phiplii: so you didn't have the special tool BeachBumPete?
12:35 PM BeachBumPete: well technically....uh NO
12:35 PM BeachBumPete: but I made it work anyway
12:35 PM phiplii: or was it assembled as a single module so you had to replace the whole item, and not just the bearing...
12:36 PM BeachBumPete: my wife's Dodge Nitro 4x4 has been making a funny noise in the front of the engine
12:36 PM BeachBumPete: she has been pestering me about it for a week not to look at it
12:36 PM BeachBumPete: sure enough there was a problem ;)
12:36 PM BeachBumPete: I THOUGHT it was the fan clutch
12:36 PM BeachBumPete: but it turns out it was the water pump even tho it never showed any signs of overheating
12:37 PM BeachBumPete: only problem is
12:37 PM BeachBumPete: they put this HUGE combination coolant resorvoir/windshield washer resorvoir box right on top of the front of the engine/radiator area
12:38 PM BeachBumPete: then they HID the two biggest screws that held it UNDERNEATH and BEHIND everything else in the front of the engine
12:38 PM BeachBumPete: I had to pull the battery, the air filter box, every damn thing in there just to get to those two screws
12:38 PM BeachBumPete: just utterly freaking ridiculous
12:39 PM BeachBumPete: thankfully the water pump, once you uncover it, is easy to replace
12:39 PM BeachBumPete: and it was bad alrighty :)
12:40 PM phiplii: I feel your pain
12:40 PM BeachBumPete: Dacia is in my Van on her way to the auto parts store now while I cool down and have a pepsi hehe
12:40 PM BeachBumPete: its just so stupid
12:40 PM phiplii: had to take half the engine out of my car to change the water pump
12:40 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete, it's good for the soul
12:40 PM BeachBumPete: WHY would you hide two screws like that beneath everything when that is one of the first things you have to remove to get to MOST of the stuff you need to get to
12:41 PM BeachBumPete: Tom_L It's NOT good for my soul man...
12:41 PM BeachBumPete: Its not like I have not been working on cars my whole life and fixed tons of them. Its not like I don't have a whole garage full of good tools and pneumatic everything...
12:42 PM BeachBumPete: so far that truck has been great tho she loves it...
12:44 PM BeachBumPete: phiplii isn't that just ridiculous
12:44 PM BeachBumPete: I mean there is no good reason for that at all
12:44 PM BeachBumPete: my neighbor had a problem with her battery in her car
12:44 PM Tom_L: there are worse out there...
12:44 PM BeachBumPete: she asked me to help her with it
12:45 PM BeachBumPete: I was like sure no problem
12:45 PM BeachBumPete: well the battery was down in front of the wheel!!
12:45 PM BeachBumPete: I cannot remember what kind of car it was
12:45 PM BeachBumPete: took me like a half hour just to get to the damn battery
12:46 PM BeachBumPete: maybe that is why I loved my Suzuki samurai's so damn much... they were damn near indestructible offroad and EASY as hell to work on!
12:47 PM Tom_L: vw bug
12:47 PM Tom_L: :D
12:47 PM BeachBumPete: no fancy electronics to speak of, no crazy plastic coverings everywhere under the hood, no nothing but easy access to everything you might possibly need to get to on a motor
12:47 PM BeachBumPete: hehe my wife had bugs years ago
12:47 PM BeachBumPete: she said they are super easy to work on too
12:47 PM Tom_L: i had a 68
12:47 PM BeachBumPete: I never had one
12:47 PM Tom_L: i've worked on hundreds
12:47 PM BeachBumPete: apparently its like two bolts to remove the whole damn engine
12:47 PM Tom_L: 4 and 20 min
12:47 PM Tom_L: it's true
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:49 PM Tom_L: we could R&R one overnight
12:49 PM Tom_L: new pistons/cylinders align bore it etc
12:50 PM BeachBumPete: that is awesome
12:50 PM BeachBumPete: I remember I used to have a lifted Jeep Wrangler
12:50 PM Tom_L: they were just so simple
12:50 PM BeachBumPete: and she had the 68 bug
12:50 PM BeachBumPete: and she used to trade me cars
12:51 PM BeachBumPete: that thing was fun to drive
12:51 PM Tom_L: i added a southwind heater to mine
12:51 PM Tom_L: i'd take it out on the ice in the winter for fun
12:51 PM BeachBumPete: her brother apparently worked for a place called bugformance in Cali
12:51 PM BeachBumPete: he built some rather FAST ones
12:51 PM Tom_L: yeah, it can be done
12:51 PM BeachBumPete: oh hell yeah it can
12:52 PM BeachBumPete: I saw quite a few turbo rotary bugs too
12:52 PM phiplii: My folks had bugs as well
12:52 PM phiplii: still a shed full of bits back home
12:53 PM BeachBumPete: I think the samurai is like the 4x4 of bugs
12:53 PM BeachBumPete: hehe
12:53 PM phiplii: My dad had a soft spot for beetles because we were short of cash and he could keep them running on nearly nothing other than fuel
12:53 PM BeachBumPete: I wish they still imported them and I really wish they had imported the long wheelbase versions of them
12:53 PM phiplii: then fuel got expensive...
12:54 PM BeachBumPete: personally I like the cali look bugs with the popped open motor lid and the dropped stance
12:55 PM BeachBumPete: one of my best friends had a ridiculously clean one like that with a sliding ragtop and roof rack
12:55 PM BeachBumPete: it was GORGEOUS
12:55 PM BeachBumPete: it was hot pink and cream white between the fenderwells
12:55 PM BeachBumPete: white leather custom interior tastefully done
12:55 PM BeachBumPete: and it had a fairly built chromed out motor
12:56 PM BeachBumPete: damn thing would snap necks wherever it went and oddly enough girls loved it too ;)
12:57 PM Tom_L: i could barely get in an MG midget
12:57 PM Tom_L: worked on quite a few of those too
12:57 PM Tom_L: and the mgb
12:58 PM BeachBumPete: I hear those are LESS than reliable is that true?
12:58 PM Tom_L: very much so
12:58 PM Tom_L: and the triumph spitfire etc
12:58 PM BeachBumPete: never been in one or worked on one
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: modyfi to electric belt
12:58 PM Tom_L: fairly simple
12:58 PM BeachBumPete: actually I quite like the spitfire
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: and you are up to futhure
12:59 PM BeachBumPete: there was a guy in tennessee near me that had a really nice pne
12:59 PM BeachBumPete: one
12:59 PM BeachBumPete: it had split bumperette bumpers in front but he removed the bumpers in the back and it had a very smooth finished appearance
12:59 PM BeachBumPete: I am sure it was not much in a crash
12:59 PM BeachBumPete: but hell the whole car is not much in a crash LOL
12:59 PM BeachBumPete: sure looked nice tho
01:00 PM Tom_L: if you could find it
01:00 PM BeachBumPete: there's some guy around here that has a SWEET mini cooper
01:00 PM BeachBumPete: I mean the original mini
01:00 PM BeachBumPete: it is baby/powder blue with kickass chrome fat little tiny wheels
01:01 PM BeachBumPete: and it sounds like it has some kinda monster motor under the hood
01:01 PM BeachBumPete: every time I see it it puts a smile on peoples faces around it
01:01 PM phiplii: BeachBumPete: http://elephantandchicken.co.uk/misc/Buggy01.jpg
01:01 PM phiplii: there was a beetle in there somewhere
01:01 PM BeachBumPete: HOLY
01:01 PM BeachBumPete: :)
01:01 PM BeachBumPete: that looks like an E-ticket ride
01:02 PM phiplii: http://elephantandchicken.co.uk/misc/Buggy02.jpg
01:02 PM phiplii: E-ticket?
01:02 PM BeachBumPete: uh oh...
01:02 PM BeachBumPete: the wifeys back with parts
01:02 PM BeachBumPete: gotta go grunt some more..
01:02 PM mtpocketscnc: back again
01:03 PM BeachBumPete: bbl
01:03 PM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc: ;-)
01:03 PM phiplii: good luck BeachBumPete
01:04 PM mtpocketscnc: phiplii i took a pic of my current state of progress
01:05 PM mtpocketscnc: i'm not sure how you guys link pics though lol never did it
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: http://pasteall.org/pic/
01:06 PM archivist: imgur
01:06 PM archivist: and some self host :)
01:08 PM mtpocketscnc: http://pasteall.org/pic/index.php?id=117802
01:08 PM mtpocketscnc: so still got some work don't be to critical lol
01:08 PM IchGucksLive: thats massiv table
01:08 PM mtpocketscnc: and ducktape will go away :)
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc: SBR 16 or 20
01:09 PM mtpocketscnc: ?
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: the rails diamater round
01:09 PM archivist: rail size
01:09 PM mtpocketscnc: 16
01:10 PM mtpocketscnc: wanted to go 20 but cost was limiting at time of ordering
01:10 PM mtpocketscnc: i'm actually worried if those will hold up
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc: the same setup then mine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRcCWu2z5Ww
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: in Z
01:13 PM mtpocketscnc: i had cnc plasma guy cut out some clamps for spindle on z but they wont work plasma not accurate enough to fit snugly around spindle
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: let me upload a real mashine image
01:16 PM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc: http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/holzcnc.jpg
01:16 PM phiplii: mtpocketscnc: huge z travel by the look of it?
01:16 PM mtpocketscnc: i plan to put hdf vacumme table on do you think with the way my y axis moves that ill have trouble at the far corners
01:16 PM phiplii: your own design IchGucksLive?
01:16 PM IchGucksLive: yes
01:17 PM phiplii: mtpocketscnc: don't forget to get the correct type of mdf for the vacuum!
01:17 PM phiplii: my brother got some that was too dense and he couldn't pull a vacuum through it :)
01:17 PM phiplii: IchGucksLive: how thick is the plywood?
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: 20mm
01:18 PM phiplii: what do you cut with it?
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: its one plate at 70Euros
01:19 PM IchGucksLive: a part i know that is made on it as ive have seen it wait
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: phiplii: http://tv-profi-gmbh.de/fit_we.jpg
01:23 PM phiplii: Awesome :)
01:24 PM IchGucksLive: its far away from perfect
01:24 PM IchGucksLive: it is the teatchers first shot
01:24 PM mtpocketscnc: nice signage was the other idea i was looking into
01:24 PM IchGucksLive: never he did since his education itself
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: that school is going now with fusion
01:27 PM IchGucksLive: its the first cnc of the school that moves on radius
01:27 PM IchGucksLive: thay have only TNC135
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: but a new ROOF
01:30 PM IchGucksLive: its my/our plan to setup that school with the full set
01:30 PM IchGucksLive: so one plasma to go
01:30 PM IchGucksLive: one 4axis foam
01:30 PM IchGucksLive: 25 mini
01:30 PM IchGucksLive: and a 5 axis
01:31 PM IchGucksLive: the othere team sets up the lathe
01:31 PM IchGucksLive: but is 2 years beond
01:31 PM IchGucksLive: behind scatual
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: the wood mill is only build by HANDdrill
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: nothing mashines on it
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: only homedepo saw
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: on a drawing
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: on ask and reconfirm they did slice the sheet without charge
01:36 PM IchGucksLive: costs are 875€
01:36 PM IchGucksLive: including everything
01:37 PM IchGucksLive: workarea x950 y650 z 280
01:38 PM IchGucksLive: they put as you can see the stiffness XY to the wrong side
01:38 PM IchGucksLive: supports
01:40 PM mtpocketscnc: i hear you on hand tools. had my main stuff cut by cnc plasma but hve been hand drilling all my holes
01:41 PM mtpocketscnc: real pain
01:41 PM IchGucksLive: not in MDF
01:41 PM IchGucksLive: mtpocketscnc: why are the X table scews up the plate
01:41 PM mtpocketscnc: no but is in 1/2 inch thick plate steal
01:42 PM mtpocketscnc: i figured when i put mdf board on i could put holes around them
01:43 PM IchGucksLive: countersunk screw
01:43 PM mtpocketscnc: worried about being acurate with something like tapered head machine screws
01:43 PM IchGucksLive: pressed rails are more stiff
01:44 PM mtpocketscnc: my thought was if i was off a bit countersinking it may bind my movement
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: ok agree
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: do one on the othere
01:45 PM IchGucksLive: one over the other
01:45 PM IchGucksLive: so 3 are still tight
01:45 PM mtpocketscnc: i wouldnt be worried if i had a drill press but drilling all these holes by hand
01:45 PM mtpocketscnc: i'm not sure i understand
01:46 PM IchGucksLive: up to you
01:46 PM IchGucksLive: sorry my english is not that good
01:47 PM IchGucksLive: ok GN8 from germany its getting dark outside need to close down tha garden
01:55 PM mtpocketscnc: i have linuxcnc on ubuntu because when i download the standard debian image and install if I maximise axis my display is very poor . when i put linuxcnc on ubuntu that didn't happen, but not a huge fan of running ubuntu
02:06 PM BeachBumPete: well I got the new water pump, new idler pulley, new serpentine belt, etc. etc. etc. installed. Car sounds nice and quiet now. just gotta button everything back up once I sit down and cool off for a couple minutes BS'ing with you guys ;)
02:14 PM BeachBumPete: I think someone needs to invent a linuxCNC driven 10 axis automotive repair robot ;)
02:16 PM JT-Shop: Hey Pete, I got the parts for a Tiny Whoop on the way
02:17 PM JT-Shop: are you flying FPV with yours?
02:17 PM BeachBumPete: yeah man they are pretty cool
02:17 PM BeachBumPete: I just bought the ready to fly models Eachine E010S
02:18 PM BeachBumPete: sync'd right up to my Flysky
02:18 PM JT-Shop: I'm building one from scratch so it will work with my FrSky
02:18 PM BeachBumPete: its a giggle for sure buzzing the house and the wife with a super tiny drone
02:18 PM BeachBumPete: they make ones for FRsky too
02:18 PM JT-Shop: I like the ducted fan to protect the props
02:18 PM BeachBumPete: yeah that is the best part actually
02:19 PM BeachBumPete: bounce right off stuff without a scratch
02:19 PM BeachBumPete: they ARE kinda fragile tho
02:19 PM BeachBumPete: you can't just bansai everything
02:19 PM JT-Shop: even with the Q100 with exposed props I've bumped into a couple things without damage
02:19 PM BeachBumPete: I am going to try to use some hot glue to secure certain bits to it
02:20 PM JT-Shop: one guy used liquid tape to hold the camera in
02:20 PM BeachBumPete: well for me the next size up is this Eachine Wizard X220 and its a beast inside the house
02:20 PM BeachBumPete: I don't even try anymore
02:20 PM JT-Shop: yea that is kinda big for inside the house
02:20 PM BeachBumPete: well I might hover it in the living room ;)
02:21 PM BeachBumPete: well its not so much the size but the exposed hard plastic props and the CF frame
02:21 PM BeachBumPete: if it hit you it would do some damage for sure
02:21 PM CaptHindsight: what are the current rules on operating drones near airports?
02:21 PM BeachBumPete: dont ;)
02:22 PM CaptHindsight: Is there some distance you have to be away?
02:23 PM BeachBumPete: don't know but I am nowhere near an airport here so I have not had to worry about it
02:24 PM JT-Shop: I fly out in the dark woods so I don't know
02:24 PM BeachBumPete: I fly right in the front yard ;)
02:24 PM BeachBumPete: and inside the house with the Whoops
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.aopa.org/go-fly/aircraft-and-ownership/drones/best-practices-for-flying-your-drone-near-an-airport
02:25 PM BeachBumPete: did you see that kickass whoop video I posted awhile back?
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: I'm just off the flight path and ~1 mile from a small one
02:25 PM BeachBumPete: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIjGka68_yo
02:25 PM BeachBumPete: very cool video
02:43 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight there is but i don't know what it is
02:44 PM Tom_L: i think it's 5 miles
02:45 PM Tom_L: i know when the local rocket club flies their big ones they get FAA clearance
02:45 PM Tom_L: and they're far away from anything
02:52 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight, just don't buzz their tower with your drone
02:57 PM CaptHindsight: looks like I'd have to contact the tower and work something out as well as give them a number to reach me when operating
02:58 PM CaptHindsight: it's not big enough for jets, except for fighters
02:59 PM CaptHindsight: we regularly have Blackhawks buzzing around as well, but they don't seem to use the airport
03:10 PM JT-Shop: a google search will show all the no fly zones for the US
03:11 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, you ever messed with remap?
03:12 PM JT-Shop: no, I just skimmed over the docs and looked for typos etc.
03:12 PM Tom_L: looking into the M6 remap thing
03:12 PM Tom_L: i'm sure it's been done before
03:13 PM Tom_L: oh i did have a code question. in their example ngc files, some of them have a "/" at the start of the line
03:13 PM Tom_L: do you know what that is for?
03:14 PM Tom_L: ie: /m1
03:14 PM Tom_L: in some of the vismach samples
03:15 PM JT-Shop: you running axis
03:15 PM Tom_L: yes
03:16 PM JT-Shop: in Axis Machine you can toggle lines that start with / to skip or not to skip
03:17 PM BeachBumPete: https://www.facebook.com/john.felipe.750/videos/10155589104694105/
03:17 PM BeachBumPete: check that thing out...
03:17 PM Tom_L: it's not my code, just part of their example ngc for the remap stuff
03:18 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, where's that toggle found? i wasn't aware of it
03:18 PM Tom_L: so it would be ok to remove the "/" from the "/M1" line
03:19 PM JT-Shop: in the manual or in Axis?
03:19 PM Tom_L: it's in the sample ngc file
03:21 PM JT-Shop: are you looking for the docs on skip lines or where it is in Axis?
03:21 PM Tom_L: it's in the samples in: /configs/sim/axis/remap/extend-builtins
03:21 PM Tom_L: in one of their ngc files
03:22 PM Tom_L: oh, where is it in axis
03:22 PM Tom_L: sry
03:22 PM JT-Shop: on the Machine menu
03:22 PM Tom_L: default is ignore or acknowledge?
03:23 PM JT-Shop: I have no idea what the default is
03:23 PM Tom_L: ok
03:23 PM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/overview.html#_block_delete
03:24 PM Tom_L: thanks, that's not one that gets used much
03:25 PM Tom_L: they probably added it because the demo remaps several codes and wanted to be able to toggle them on and off
03:26 PM Tom_L: i don't think that's one i've ever used
03:38 PM JT-Shop: yea that is what it is for to toggle lines off and on
03:54 PM frank___: im going crazy trying to find information about how to use 2 motors on one axis, anyone knows which is the easiest path?
03:58 PM Tom_itx: http://www.deltatau.com/Common/technotes/Gantry%20with%20Cross%20Coupling.pdf
03:58 PM Tom_L: frank___, not lcnc directly but might help
04:00 PM Tom_itx: http://support.motioneng.com/Software-MPI_04_00/Topics/gantry_config.htm
04:02 PM Tom_itx: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/49-basic-configuration/29880-slaving-the-second-gantry-motor-7i92
04:03 PM Tom_itx: the software has improved since 2015...
04:05 PM frank___: exactly, its hard to tell what is still usable and whats outdated
04:05 PM frank___: for the little info there is
04:05 PM pcw_home: If you need gantry homing, LinuxCNC 2.8 is probably the best way
04:05 PM pcw_home: if you just need duplicated axis that will work with 2.8 or 2/7
04:06 PM frank___: i have 1 home switch on each axis, and i have a working config with 2.7, but without the tandem motor connected, as it moves at a different speed that the other motor
04:08 PM pcw_home: If you have the same HAL settings for each motor, that sounds like a drive setup problem, not a LInuxCNC problem
04:08 PM frank___: it was done with pncconf
04:09 PM frank___: the tandem motor is on velocity mode
04:09 PM pcw_home: are the hal settings for each motor identical?
04:10 PM JT-Shop: frank___: doesn't your drive take step and direction input?
04:10 PM frank___: yes
04:10 PM frank___: i will check now how exactly the hall is written by pnccon
04:10 PM frank___: f
04:11 PM JT-Shop: maybe the drives are not configured the same
04:11 PM pcw_home: if you swap drives does slow drive swap also?
04:12 PM frank___: i havent tried that yet, but i thought that the pncconf raw output wouldnt work
04:12 PM frank___: (read somewhere)
04:12 PM * JT-Shop looks for his desk top
04:12 PM frank___: how can i properly read lcnc hal file on windows?
04:13 PM JT-Shop: notepad ++
04:13 PM JT-Shop: freeware
04:13 PM * Tom_L gives JT-Shop a shovel
04:13 PM Tom_L: yeah i like notepad ++ better than Programmer's Notepad
04:13 PM JT-Shop: I'm thinking tannerite
04:14 PM JT-Shop: but then I'd have a larger mess to clean up lol
04:17 PM frank___: for example : net x2-pos-fb isnt connected to any pid
04:18 PM frank___: but net x-pos-fb is connected to net x-pos-fb => pid.x.feedback
04:19 PM pcw_home: can you post your hal and ini files somewhere public?
04:19 PM frank___: or again; net x-output <= hm2_5i25.0.stepgen.00.velocity-cmd doesnt have a a connection that goes to stepgen 01
04:19 PM frank___: yes, do you know any safe place?
04:20 PM JT-Shop: paste.ubuntu.com
04:20 PM JT-Shop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
04:20 PM frank___: thank you 1 sec
04:20 PM Tom_L: or paste.debian.net
04:21 PM frank___: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25258057/
04:22 PM frank___: im a little slow today thou, i've been all day on fusion 360 *smoke from ears*
04:22 PM JT-Shop: I like th ubuntu one zero static
04:23 PM Tom_L: these are stepper or servo?
04:23 PM Deejay: gn8
04:23 PM frank___: And .ini http://paste.ubuntu.com/25258073/
04:23 PM Tom_L: stepper...
04:24 PM frank___: And .ini http://paste.ubuntu.com/25258073/
04:24 PM frank___: servo with step dir signals
04:24 PM frank___: closed on driver
04:24 PM Roguish: ditto for notepad++
04:25 PM Tom_L: pcw_home, why would you use stepgen over pwmgen on a servo?
04:25 PM pcw_home: looks like you need to add pid.x2 (in loadrt and addfs) then clone the x axis stuff
04:26 PM pcw_home: its a step /dir driven servo
04:26 PM Tom_L: ok
04:27 PM Tom_L: yeah, it would be good if you could disconnect the motors from the axis and observe their behaviour first
04:28 PM frank___: i did, one moved at a constant speed and the main motor moved like it should
04:28 PM frank___: constant and slowly
04:29 PM Tom_L: i'd leave it that way until you're sure you have control of both of em
04:31 PM frank___: pcw_home: excuse my ignorance, tried to google on forum linuxcnc what would be to add to loadrt and addfs but couldnt see concrete information. how would i add something to loadrt?
04:32 PM frank___: and/or addfs
04:32 PM Tom_L: look at the ini and you can see others there
04:32 PM Tom_L: err the hal file
04:32 PM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/basic-hal.html
04:33 PM JT-Shop: best place to look is the Docs, problem is knowing where to lool :)
04:33 PM pcw_home: SOmethin like this, the line:
04:33 PM pcw_home: loadrt pid names=pid.x,pid.y,pid.z,pid.s ?
04:33 PM pcw_home: you need to change that to
04:33 PM pcw_home: loadrt pid names=pid.x,pid.x2,pid.y,pid.z,pid.s
04:34 PM Tom_L: what's the pid.s for?
04:34 PM Tom_L: slave?
04:34 PM Tom_L: maybe he doesn't need that
04:34 PM pcw_home: spindle
04:34 PM frank___: spidnle
04:34 PM Tom_L: ahh ok
04:35 PM frank___: kay thanks pcw, i know im getting a pain in the ass lately, but i wouldnt have figured that out by myself in a million years
04:36 PM Tom_L: you'll be helping someone with this someday
04:38 PM frank___: i really hope so
04:46 PM pcw_home: I would also delete all the
04:46 PM pcw_home: # Step Gen signals/setup for tandem axis stepper
04:46 PM pcw_home: junk
04:46 PM pcw_home: and replace it with a copy of the X axis stuff
04:46 PM pcw_home: then replace all the stepgen.00 references with stepgen.01
04:46 PM pcw_home: at that point there will only be a few patches left to get it right
04:47 PM phiplii: heh
04:47 PM phiplii: success
04:47 PM pcw_home: (replace the stepgen.00 with stepgen.01 only in the tandem axis section)
04:47 PM JT-Shop: not impressed with the gemfan 1050cf props not as much thrust and only got a 7 1/2 minute hover on 4100mAh 3S pack
04:53 PM frank___: I now have literally two times everything on X (well almost stupid junk that doesnt need duplication)
04:53 PM frank___: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25258242/
04:54 PM frank___: should i try that conf?
04:58 PM pcw_home: it needs some work...
04:58 PM frank___: kay will check
05:00 PM pcw_home: at the minimum you must delete this line:
05:00 PM pcw_home: net x2-pos-fb => axis.0.motor-pos-fb
05:04 PM pcw_home: Also I think its not legal to have different signals driven from the same source so
05:05 PM pcw_home: it may be that the duplicated X2 signals driven from axis.0.motor-pos-cmd must fold-up and go away
05:07 PM frank___: the hell i've been disconnected
05:07 PM frank___: i read until fold up the x axis 0 connections
05:07 PM pcw_home: so
05:07 PM pcw_home: net x2-pos-cmd => pid.x2.command
05:08 PM pcw_home: gets replaced with
05:08 PM pcw_home: net x-pos-cmd => pid.x2.command
05:09 PM pcw_home: and
05:09 PM pcw_home: net x2-pos-cmd <= axis.0.motor-pos-cmd
05:09 PM pcw_home: gets deleted
05:10 PM frank___: done
05:11 PM frank___: stepgen 01 control type would be 1 right? hte pncconf output was on 0 (read it is velocity mode)
05:12 PM pcw_home: similarly
05:12 PM pcw_home: net x2-vel-cmd => pid.x2.command-deriv
05:12 PM pcw_home: gets replaced with
05:12 PM pcw_home: net x-vel-cmd => pid.x2.command-deriv
05:12 PM pcw_home: yes they must be identical
05:13 PM pcw_home: and
05:13 PM pcw_home: net x2-vel-cmd <= axis.0.joint-vel-cmd
05:13 PM pcw_home: is deleted
05:14 PM frank___: same with pos fb and x enable?
05:15 PM frank___: net x2-pos-fb => pid.x2.feedback to net x-pos-fb => pid.x2.feedback and net x2-pos-fb => axis.0.motor-pos-fb deleted
05:15 PM frank___: etc
05:23 PM pcw_home: No
05:24 PM pcw_home: pos-fb must be independent
05:24 PM pcw_home: but pos-cmd (and enable) have a common source so must share the same signals
05:33 PM frank___: im getting the eerror of axis.0.motor-pos-fb already linked to x-pos-fb
05:33 PM frank___: tried what i mentioned before, and the motor didnt move but the other did as usual
05:47 PM Tom_L: one point to make, now that you've edited the hal and ini.. don't go pack to pnconfig ever!
05:47 PM Tom_L: back*
05:48 PM Tom_L: i believe it will overwrite what you've just done
05:57 PM andypugh: I assume you have all seen the video of the chap who has re-discovered how to make Nixie tubes?
05:57 PM andypugh: https://youtu.be/wxL4ElboiuA
05:58 PM andypugh: cradek ^^
06:00 PM frank___: Tom_L: long way since that mistake lol
06:00 PM frank___: andypugh: i've watched that one!
06:01 PM frank___: ocd guy? hehe
06:02 PM Tom_L: certainly doesn't look like a DIY setup
06:02 PM andypugh: It was.
06:03 PM Tom_L: he's got more space to play in than me then :D
06:03 PM andypugh: He shows the original setup, but he has gone commercial with them ($145 each, which when you watch it, seems cheap)
06:03 PM Tom_L: another lost art
06:03 PM andypugh: an unlost art
06:05 PM Tom_L: does he make all the pieces too?
06:05 PM Tom_L: filaments etc
06:05 PM BeachBumPete: those are neat for sure but what is the application?
06:05 PM Tom_L: clocks for one
06:07 PM andypugh: Tom_L: It looks like he gets the internals laser-cut
06:07 PM andypugh: PCB-stencil cutting lasers are ideal, I imagine.
06:08 PM Tom_L: yeah
06:09 PM JT-Shop: well shit something just killed one of my chickens right under my nose
06:10 PM andypugh: Here are some encoder wheels that I had made by a local stencil-maker. https://goo.gl/photos/qqpiwnPHYrDevg4h9
06:10 PM andypugh: JT-Shop: Did you see it?
06:10 PM Tom_L: what res?
06:10 PM Tom_L: looks pretty good
06:11 PM andypugh: Tom_L: I think that the encoder needed 120 lines per inch.
06:11 PM andypugh: Might have been 80, it was a while ago.
06:15 PM * phiplii wouldn't want to be a predator anywhere near JT-Shop's house
06:16 PM phiplii: were they out of their enclosure?
06:21 PM JT-Shop: andypugh: no phiplii yes 2' from the fence
06:38 PM Tom_L: interesting video andypugh
06:40 PM JT-Shop: phiplii: the predator just became the prey... game on
06:47 PM phiplii: anyway
06:47 PM phiplii: it is tomorrow again
06:47 PM phiplii: night folks
08:09 PM Adamj12b: BeachBumPete Around?
08:19 PM BeachBumPete: yeah man
08:20 PM BeachBumPete: just finished working on my wife's SUV and did some work on my work van
08:20 PM BeachBumPete: cleaned up the damn shop which was wrecked after that vehicle work
08:20 PM Adamj12b: I know what that's like.
08:20 PM BeachBumPete: now I am going to TRY to get something done on the CNC lathe before its time to get to bed and start a new work week...UGGGHH
08:21 PM BeachBumPete: thankfully her truck is running beautifuly
08:21 PM Adamj12b: Well the machine made its first moves today.
08:21 PM BeachBumPete: so she's happy
08:21 PM Adamj12b: Y and z.
08:21 PM BeachBumPete: WOW thats fantastic
08:21 PM BeachBumPete: great feeling huh
08:21 PM Adamj12b: Happy wife happy life.
08:21 PM Adamj12b: Hell yeah.
08:22 PM BeachBumPete: it was very nice that you were able to do such a good mockup that you got it installed quickly
08:22 PM Adamj12b: Gotta look into some smoothing on the mpg....shakes the whole house on 0.010" increments. :D
08:22 PM BeachBumPete: really?
08:23 PM Tom_itx: use lowpass
08:23 PM BeachBumPete: I mean in .010 steps mine kinda shakes a touch but it is not too bad.
08:23 PM andypugh: Adamj12b: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/ilowpass.9.html
08:23 PM Tom_itx: that will smooth it out
08:24 PM BeachBumPete: WOW I never heard of that
08:24 PM Tom_itx: try it out
08:24 PM Tom_itx: it's great
08:24 PM Adamj12b: Thanks guys. I will check it out. Wife wasnt too happy about that.
08:24 PM BeachBumPete: LOL
08:24 PM BeachBumPete: that reminds me of when I first started tuning the Z axis
08:25 PM BeachBumPete: SSI was there and we were playing with the settings
08:25 PM Adamj12b: This was the z.
08:25 PM BeachBumPete: we changed something and then did an MDI move like five inches
08:25 PM Tom_itx: set the lowpass scale and gain and pump your signal thru it
08:25 PM BeachBumPete: the whole damn head started shaking like crazy
08:25 PM BeachBumPete: shook the whole damn house LOL
08:25 PM BeachBumPete: scared the CRAP out of me so I slapped the E-stop button
08:26 PM Tom_itx: roflmao
08:26 PM BeachBumPete: we both stood there staring at it with eyes the size of bowling balls hehe
08:26 PM BeachBumPete: I was like.....eeeehh let's not do that again
08:26 PM Tom_itx: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/my_jog.hal
08:26 PM BeachBumPete: I sure miss that guy he was really cool
08:26 PM Tom_itx: that's my config for it
08:26 PM malcom2073: What ever happened to ssi?
08:27 PM Tom_itx: haven't seen him in a while
08:27 PM BeachBumPete: he's on my facebook
08:27 PM Tom_itx: hope he didn't set his house on fire again
08:27 PM malcom2073: Or hanger
08:27 PM TurBoss: hello
08:27 PM BeachBumPete: he took a job somehow working in cali while he lives in Atlanta
08:27 PM BeachBumPete: so he was flying back and forth
08:27 PM BeachBumPete: I THINK he has a child now
08:27 PM malcom2073: Hah wow
08:27 PM malcom2073: Well, when you own your own plane....
08:28 PM BeachBumPete: I don't think he flies his own plane but I could be wrong
08:28 PM malcom2073: He used to
08:28 PM XXCoder: beach yeah friend of mine had a roommate like that, lived at washington on week off, and off to calfornia for 3 weeks, working
08:28 PM BeachBumPete: yeah he still does
08:28 PM BeachBumPete: just not to Cali and back
08:28 PM malcom2073: oh you mean to get there
08:28 PM XXCoder: he was airplane inspector and earned pretty heavy bread
08:28 PM malcom2073: haha, yeah that's a bit of a haul for that tiny thing
08:29 PM BeachBumPete: TurBoss hello
08:29 PM TurBoss: hi
08:35 PM BeachBumPete: yeah I must say I enjoyed speaking with him he was quite knowledgeable about this stuff and he was into some cool hobbies kinda like me.
08:37 PM Adamj12b: Here's the video. https://youtu.be/p8Z6ehK-7DI
08:37 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9zSfinwFA
08:38 PM malcom2073: Thanks for posting that XXCoder so I didn't have to find/post it :P
08:38 PM XXCoder: I copied url recently so didntnhave to lol
08:38 PM malcom2073: Adamj12b: I like your control panel
08:38 PM BeachBumPete: Adamj12b man that is cool
08:38 PM BeachBumPete: very nicely done
08:38 PM Adamj12b: Thanks.
08:38 PM BeachBumPete: is that Cat40 machine?
08:39 PM Adamj12b: Yes.
08:39 PM Adamj12b: 5hp
08:39 PM BeachBumPete: sweet Cat40 is great
08:39 PM Adamj12b: Im excited
08:39 PM BeachBumPete: and reasonably cheap to buy holders
08:39 PM BeachBumPete: I am sure
08:39 PM XXCoder: Adamj12b: the control panel is awespme
08:39 PM BeachBumPete: I remember when my machine first came to life
08:39 PM malcom2073: Cat40 comes up at auction *all* the time
08:39 PM Adamj12b: XXCoder thanks
08:39 PM BeachBumPete: I was so stoked
08:40 PM BeachBumPete: even now after almost 3 years it still makes me smile when I watch it make a part I programmed
08:40 PM malcom2073: I won't ever get tired of watching my machine run
08:40 PM BeachBumPete: I think I just bought another PCP air rifle tonight ;)
08:41 PM BeachBumPete: been wanting one
08:41 PM BeachBumPete: and one popped up for a great deal on a classifieds I stalk
08:43 PM BeachBumPete: Adamj12b Any plans for what you are going to machine with it once you get it all sorted?
08:45 PM Adamj12b: My own hobby parts for now, but i hope to do small jobs with it as well.
08:45 PM XXCoder: use it to make another cnc machine ;)
08:45 PM BeachBumPete: ah sweet what kind of hobby?
08:52 PM Tom_itx: Adamj12b where's that machine at?
08:52 PM Tom_itx: looks like you had to raise the roof a bit for it to fit
08:54 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
09:06 PM Adamj12b: BeachBumPete thats one issue. I have too many hobbies.
09:07 PM BeachBumPete: heh Don't we all
09:07 PM Adamj12b: Tom_L in my garage. Just barely fit the existing ceiling. I have to fix the insulation... LOL
09:33 PM BeachBumPete: jeez man I just went out there and was trying to mount my motherboard into the electronics enclosure
09:33 PM BeachBumPete: and I grabbed some screws I just KNEW would work
09:33 PM BeachBumPete: drilled and tapped the holes all nice and pretty
09:33 PM BeachBumPete: fabbed up some standoffs
09:33 PM BeachBumPete: and then went to install them all
09:34 PM BeachBumPete: only to realize they don't fit thru the holes in the MB!!! What a jackhole LOL
09:39 PM BeachBumPete: Adamj12b I was just thinking about your build and how you did most of it in the house
09:39 PM BeachBumPete: and it never occurred to me but the electronics cabinet in my lathe has a big white steel panel that all the components mount on and I think it is removable
09:39 PM BeachBumPete: gonna take it inside and work on it
09:40 PM BeachBumPete: don't tell the wifey LOL
09:40 PM Adamj12b: Thats what I did.
09:40 PM BeachBumPete: is it that way from the factory on yours?
09:42 PM Adamj12b: The panel i used was something i had kicking around.
09:43 PM Adamj12b: The original panel was wayyy too small
09:51 PM BeachBumPete: heh
09:51 PM BeachBumPete: just removed my panel
09:51 PM BeachBumPete: its HUGE
09:52 PM BeachBumPete: more than large enough for what is going on it
09:52 PM BeachBumPete: one thing that annoys me tho
09:52 PM BeachBumPete: my SSD did not come with any sort of mount
09:52 PM BeachBumPete: so I am either going to have to buy something for it or make something
09:52 PM BeachBumPete: in the Cincinatti the SSD I used came with a neato aluminum mounting bracket
10:03 PM Tom_L: got a 3d printer?
10:03 PM Tom_L: i printed some of those
10:05 PM BeachBumPete: nope
10:05 PM Tom_itx: https://grabcad.com/library/hard-drive-adapter-1
10:05 PM Tom_L: straight from there
10:05 PM BeachBumPete: I have not gone down the road of the 3d printers not sure I will
10:05 PM Tom_L: well, i had someone print it
10:06 PM Tom_L: i also got some cheap metal ones locally
10:06 PM BeachBumPete: I suppose they are standard items no?
10:06 PM Tom_L: yeah
10:07 PM Tom_L: what kind is it?
10:07 PM BeachBumPete: I got a Kingston 120GB
10:07 PM Tom_L: you could double tape it to the enclosure
10:07 PM BeachBumPete: like 3m tape?
10:07 PM Tom_L: i like samsund 850evo
10:07 PM BeachBumPete: I got some of that stuff here actually
10:08 PM Tom_L: just don't put too much on it in case you ever want it out
10:08 PM BeachBumPete: I liked the one that came with my other ssd
10:08 PM BeachBumPete: it mounts the drive vertically
10:08 PM BeachBumPete: which made hooking up the cables easier
10:08 PM Tom_L: one of my cases does that
10:08 PM Tom_L: 2 actually
10:09 PM BeachBumPete: man I was gonna buy one of those PC standoff and screw assortments to help me mount all of this stuff
10:09 PM BeachBumPete: but I went on ebay to look at them
10:09 PM BeachBumPete: there are like millions of different kinds
10:09 PM Tom_L: i got piles of em
10:09 PM BeachBumPete: I cannot find the box I got for the cinci
10:09 PM BeachBumPete: but it worked fine
10:09 PM BeachBumPete: would love another just like it but I cannot remember what all it had in it LOL
10:10 PM Tom_L: ok i think i have the nets all wired for this orient thing
10:10 PM Tom_L: may test it tomorrow
10:10 PM Tom_L: still gotta set a few parameters
10:11 PM Adamj12b: BeachBumPete https://goo.gl/photos/eTwSut58qZLvLsHy6
10:12 PM Adamj12b: Printed mount which holds the 2.5" ssd and supports the low profile 5i25
10:13 PM BeachBumPete: nice.. did you make that?
10:13 PM BeachBumPete: Tom_itx good luck
10:15 PM Adamj12b: Yes. Just wipped it up in Fusion360
10:16 PM BeachBumPete: cool
10:16 PM BeachBumPete: what MB are you using?
10:16 PM Adamj12b: It is a jetway 1.2ghz fanless with 1gb of ram.
10:17 PM BeachBumPete: ah I think I already asked you taht
10:17 PM Adamj12b: I can already tell the onboard video isnt going to have the grunt needed....
10:17 PM BeachBumPete: what do you need a lot of onboard video grunt for?
10:18 PM Adamj12b: I get about 18000 and 20000 on the latency test. Which from reading is ok for using the mesa
10:18 PM Adamj12b: I can hardly move the toolpath window around
10:18 PM BeachBumPete: yeah well the mesa does most of the heavy lifting as I understand it
10:19 PM Adamj12b: I plan to stick it out a bit. Maybe im overthinking it.
10:19 PM BeachBumPete: huh I have an atom board in the Cinci and I move the toolpath window around all the time
10:22 PM BeachBumPete: man this is gonna be so much easier with the panel out of the machine
10:22 PM BeachBumPete: wish I had thought of it before LOL
10:23 PM Adamj12b: Haha. What atom board? I was thinking that route need be.
10:24 PM BeachBumPete: D505 or something like that
10:27 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete, what moves your carousel in and out?
10:27 PM Tom_L: an arm or what?
10:27 PM BeachBumPete: it uses a pneumatic ram actuator
10:27 PM Tom_L: electical?
10:28 PM Tom_L: solonoid?
10:28 PM BeachBumPete: yeah electrically activated pneumatic solenoid driving a pneumatic ram
10:28 PM Tom_L: have you ever wired that up to anything?
10:28 PM BeachBumPete: its already wired up
10:28 PM Tom_L: 24v or what?
10:28 PM BeachBumPete: been that way for awhile
10:29 PM Tom_L: connected to any mesa io?
10:29 PM BeachBumPete: I think so but its been awhile
10:29 PM BeachBumPete: yeah
10:29 PM Tom_L: great
10:29 PM BeachBumPete: we actually made everything for the toolchanger work
10:29 PM Tom_L: what about the carousel motor?
10:29 PM BeachBumPete: just never got it to orient
10:29 PM BeachBumPete: yup carousel motor works too
10:29 PM Tom_L: the spindle?
10:29 PM BeachBumPete: FWD BWD
10:29 PM Tom_L: is all you lack for orient?
10:29 PM BeachBumPete: well yeah and the logic to make the whole thing work
10:30 PM Tom_L: ok
10:30 PM BeachBumPete: I actually have PyVCP buttons for the carousel motor and the ram in and out
10:30 PM Tom_L: go read the toolchange.ngc file in the vismach directory of the sim
10:31 PM Tom_L: that will get you close i bet
10:31 PM Tom_L: then to get the spindle to orient
10:31 PM BeachBumPete: I will once I get the orient working
10:31 PM Tom_L: what spindle inputs do you have?
10:31 PM Tom_L: pwm and direction?
10:32 PM BeachBumPete: I have been wondering if I can use both the modbus control for the feedback and load metering and switch to the analog for actual spindle control and orient
10:32 PM BeachBumPete: hmm
10:32 PM BeachBumPete: I don't remember offhand
10:32 PM BeachBumPete: it is modbus now
10:33 PM Tom_L: o
10:33 PM Tom_L: i'm not familiar with modbus
10:33 PM BeachBumPete: but it was just some IO from the 7i77 direct to the panel on the front of the drive input
10:33 PM Tom_L: i know what it is just nothing about it
10:33 PM BeachBumPete: well zeeshan had helped me get it working with modbus if you recall
10:33 PM Tom_L: vaguely
10:33 PM BeachBumPete: I don't know much about it either
10:34 PM BeachBumPete: SSI was here and helped get it configured in the software
10:34 PM BeachBumPete: most of it went over my head as usual
10:34 PM Tom_L: well. i'm not coming to Florida.
10:34 PM Tom_L: :)
10:34 PM BeachBumPete: SSI was hammering away at my keyboard all the while bitching about how he does not like that little keyboard LOL
10:34 PM BeachBumPete: LOL
10:35 PM BeachBumPete: You sure you don't want a Florida Vacation hehehe
10:35 PM BeachBumPete: I am right near the beach
10:35 PM BeachBumPete: LOL
10:35 PM Tom_L: you should check your options for driving the spindle
10:35 PM BeachBumPete: not sure what you mean
10:35 PM Tom_L: beside modbus
10:36 PM BeachBumPete: the only other way to drive it is analog control
10:36 PM BeachBumPete: like it was before
10:36 PM Tom_L: why didn't you use that?
10:36 PM BeachBumPete: I did hehe
10:36 PM Tom_L: with linuxcnc?
10:36 PM Tom_L: is it +-10v?
10:36 PM BeachBumPete: but then someone showed a spindle setup that had the load metering and other cool stuff
10:36 PM BeachBumPete: yeah with linuxCNC
10:36 PM Tom_L: pfft
10:36 PM BeachBumPete: I think it is
10:37 PM BeachBumPete: so I was chatting with zeeshan
10:37 PM BeachBumPete: actually I think it WAS zeeshan
10:37 PM BeachBumPete: he had modbus control of the drive on that lathe I think
10:37 PM Tom_L: yes
10:37 PM BeachBumPete: so I was like I WANT THAT SHIT TOO LOL
10:37 PM BeachBumPete: so he helped me swap it
10:38 PM BeachBumPete: that was before we knew it was NOT fast enough to do the orient
10:38 PM Tom_L: so do you want load metering or a carousel?
10:38 PM Adamj12b: I bet you can send it an analog command right now and it would work.
10:38 PM Tom_L: ^^ try that
10:38 PM BeachBumPete: oh it would because it did before
10:38 PM Adamj12b: And keep the modbus to just read the load.
10:38 PM BeachBumPete: but I would have to disable the modbus stuff or at least reconfigure the linuxCNC to NOT take orders from the modbus
10:39 PM BeachBumPete: Adamj12b THAT is what I am hoping
10:39 PM BeachBumPete: actually wiring it up was nothing difficult
10:39 PM Adamj12b: From experience with emerson drives, modbus is kinda after io interfaces.
10:39 PM BeachBumPete: but I am not sure about the modbus setup that currently calls the shots for spindle control
10:39 PM Adamj12b: So it just taps into the logic of the drive.
10:40 PM Adamj12b: Yea. You will have to carve out the load meter into its own section.
10:41 PM BeachBumPete: yeah but as I said I am not that knowledgeable about the modbus setup so I do not know how to do that
10:41 PM Adamj12b: Has anybody here tried this net2dot tool to create a graphical display of the hal stuff?
10:42 PM BeachBumPete: I know you can change settings in the drive to accept the analog inputs over the serial comms
10:43 PM Tom_L: enough for one day.
10:43 PM Tom_L: later..
10:43 PM BeachBumPete: take it easy Tom
10:44 PM adamj12b-web: cya
10:47 PM adamj12b-web: How big is the panel for the lathe?
10:48 PM BeachBumPete: its probably like 3'x5' or so
10:48 PM adamj12b-web: wow good size one. Mine was 28" square
10:49 PM adamj12b-web: I could have used something like that. I dont like how I had to pack everything on to it. I thinking of sticking the pneumatics on the inside of the door because there is no panel space left.
10:50 PM BeachBumPete: yeah I can easily install everything for the lathe on half of this thing really...
10:54 PM BeachBumPete: well I am getting ta bed work tomorrow. SIGH
10:54 PM BeachBumPete: Gn8 folks
10:54 PM adamj12b-web: cya
11:07 PM Tom_L: adamj12b-web, i've got stuff mounted to my pannel door now too
11:07 PM Tom_L: but it's a small box to begin with
11:08 PM adamj12b-web: I was thinking I could add a second box for pneumatics, but its really just one solenoid pack and wiring to the mesa.
11:09 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/control8.jpg
11:10 PM Tom_L: i've reconfigured it a bit since that but the stepper drives are on the door
11:10 PM Tom_L: when closed, it the path of the fan
11:12 PM XXCoder: air pollution range goes from 0 (clean) to 135 (warning) and tacoma is at 148
11:13 PM XXCoder: thanks, canada.
11:14 PM adamj12b-web: WOW
11:14 PM XXCoder: yeah
11:14 PM XXCoder: been over a week, but ironically warding off heat, today was supposed ot be high 90s till wed
11:15 PM XXCoder: but its staying at high80s/low 90s
11:19 PM adamj12b-web: Tom_L: Have you tried this? https://emergent.unpythonic.net/01174426278#
11:20 PM Tom_L: no
11:20 PM adamj12b-web: So easy. Might help with your Orient work.
11:20 PM Tom_L: i marked it
11:21 PM Tom_L: i've got a paper chart i'm going from too
11:21 PM Tom_L: when i'm back on the linux box i'll take a look at it
11:21 PM adamj12b-web: I saw that one that andy posted the other day. I saved that. Thats one of my first projects after the basics are done
11:22 PM adamj12b-web: I cant get the png to work. but the dot file does.
11:22 PM Tom_L: what's a dot file?
11:24 PM Tom_L: is that distributed with lcnc?
11:26 PM adamj12b-web: http://www.graphviz.org/
11:34 PM adamj12b-web: Tom_L: Why did you set the mpg to 4x count mode and multiply the increment by scale?