#linuxcnc Logs

Aug 05 2017

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:00 AM IchGucksLive: morning from Germany
01:03 AM IchGucksLive: europ is awaking a new day
01:04 AM tiwake: yasnak: you around?
01:04 AM yasnak: yes
01:04 AM tiwake: yasnak: did you submit my resume to your company? lol
01:05 AM yasnak: i've submitted a few, yours included. no response?
01:05 AM tiwake: unless it ended up in spam filter
01:05 AM yasnak: our hr dept is a shell of what the massive companies have, very possible the stack hasn't moved. we just lost a few operators and machinists so it should start again.
01:05 AM yasnak: i'll figure out whats up and let you know, sorry mna
01:06 AM * tiwake shrugs
01:07 AM IchGucksLive: till later ;-)
01:07 AM yasnak: lol
01:07 AM yasnak: no worries, i'll let you know ;)
01:07 AM XXCoder: yasnak: curious what your company makes heh (no properity info just basics)
01:07 AM yasnak: medical devices
01:08 AM XXCoder: interesting
01:08 AM XXCoder: most times I dont know what crap we are making here
01:08 AM yasnak: haha
01:08 AM tiwake: most the time I don't know what I'm making either
01:08 AM XXCoder: but this time its plane secial belt clasp thingy and cover for belt
01:08 AM yasnak: we used to do some jit work, jobshop stuff
01:08 AM tiwake: so its fair
01:08 AM yasnak: but now we're entirely our own manufacturer
01:09 AM skullworks: I hate JIT
01:09 AM tiwake: yasnak: I can't ask for a raise where I'm working, because a lot of the time I'm just standing around doing nothing, because no work... sometimes I'll do some cleaning or w/e
01:09 AM tiwake: its sad really
01:09 AM skullworks: JIT always seemed to be NIT
01:09 AM yasnak: so have you reflected on moving? :P
01:09 AM yasnak: haha, JIT is fine
01:09 AM yasnak: jobshop is fine
01:10 AM yasnak: but i always had so many issues with excessive quoting
01:10 AM tiwake: all options are considered when they are present :P
01:10 AM XXCoder: heh im very lazy at work but I do 24 hours of work in 10 hours so I'm actually pretty fast. and lazy.
01:10 AM yasnak: and testing, especially for automotive jobs.
01:10 AM yasnak: PLUS the fucking guys would send either entirely broken models, prints or everything. Then we'd essentially re-engineer their shit
01:10 AM tiwake: testing?
01:11 AM XXCoder: yasnak: once made over 500 parts before finding out guy who modeled it fucked up and put feature on wrong side
01:11 AM yasnak: yeah they would require product qualifications, certain CPK thresholds. it was all dumb shit to just make bidding harder for smaller companies
01:11 AM skullworks: I had some "customers" that seemed to be using our quotes to beat down the prices of the current vendor.
01:11 AM yasnak: had to make these aluminum pistons that were plus or minus 0.00025
01:12 AM tiwake: yeah, that is done a lot of times
01:12 AM tiwake: wait
01:12 AM XXCoder: .000025mm or "
01:12 AM yasnak: ran it using one of those iscar turn/groovers...it fucked the machine with the chips getting under the ways and shit
01:12 AM yasnak: "
01:12 AM tiwake: wha
01:12 AM tiwake: why so tight tolerance
01:12 AM yasnak: had problems with shipping and manual floor work...if the parts were dinged at all they were fucked
01:12 AM tiwake: thats like... a cat hair... sliced up 4 times
01:13 AM yasnak: we totally tried for awhile with that one as it would make decent money but honestly it wasn't worth it
01:13 AM XXCoder: yasnak: scraped few parts by dropping em. fiberglass is tough as heck on tools and very very brittle to gravity lol
01:13 AM yasnak: haha fiberglass? ahhhhh
01:13 AM XXCoder: dropped one 2 inches and scrap boom
01:14 AM XXCoder: but yeah dropped alum parts to scrap also
01:14 AM yasnak: yeah, i mean they were sent out for hard anodizing but everything before then...
01:15 AM tiwake: 0.0002" would easily change while even holding the part to measure it...
01:15 AM yasnak: like explaining that you can't just scratch the crap out of them with mics/calipers. usually went right over operators heads
01:15 AM skullworks: Had some parts with a mirror finish - just touching them, the calus of your skin was like scotchbrite and would leave visable scratches.
01:15 AM yasnak: not so much, when you deal with smaller parts you get a "feel"
01:15 AM yasnak: but we definitely used video and touch probe
01:15 AM tiwake: heh yeah
01:16 AM tiwake: I know the feel part
01:16 AM XXCoder: tiwake: I made paets with holes +0 - .0005"
01:16 AM yasnak: just because each one was less than a min...when the machine was warming up that was alot of aluminum you could easily waste. once running you just wanted to keep it going
01:16 AM yasnak: then 2nd' shift would always forget to load enough bars, come in with a cold machine. i seriously hate people
01:17 AM tiwake: yeah
01:17 AM XXCoder: yeah. those parts need super uber constant machine running to keep running temperate same
01:17 AM XXCoder: a61, when running those parts, need to run 24 hours constantly
01:17 AM tiwake: do you have a heater in the coolant? heh... I've heard that its a thing
01:17 AM XXCoder: 2 shifts 10 hours each plus enough parts to run most of remaining 4
01:20 AM yasnak: tiwake...we had custom tanks
01:20 AM yasnak: and used high pressure...the high pressure normally heated the oil and kept it fairly consistant
01:20 AM yasnak: consistent*
01:21 AM skullworks: mill or lathe?
01:21 AM yasnak: swiss
01:22 AM yasnak: we don't run too much tight tolerance on the mills or lathes. i mean we hold 0.001" all day but we're more small percision work vs large. lots of the milling we do is 0.005" or whatever. wide open. just needs the spindle HP due to shit ass materials.
01:23 AM yasnak: i mean we don't even use an EDM like it normally would be, we use it to precision cutout blanks. all new equipment which is nice. medical is nice due to clean shop and good tools but man...same issue everywhere. pathetic skilled labor lol
01:23 AM tiwake: 0.005" is common
01:23 AM XXCoder: work .01" is common for mills
01:23 AM skullworks: Had high pressure DIN through flange coolant system on our Mori Seiki - It would blow the hoses in the head about every 2 years, additives in the coolant would break down the hose.
01:24 AM yasnak: yeah
01:24 AM yasnak: never had good luck with long lasting through spindle coolant
01:25 AM yasnak: turned the ones on our okumas off as it really didn't need it and really put wear on the internals
01:25 AM yasnak: plus the larger ones weren't really enclosed and man, if you start to mist it sucks
01:25 AM skullworks: Blasocut - as mist will make you real sick.
01:26 AM tiwake: no vacuum vents?
01:26 AM yasnak: eh, we have it on everything now
01:26 AM yasnak: tri-mists on all the swiss
01:26 AM tiwake: I mean, I've never worked at a place that did have vents...
01:26 AM yasnak: the other mills are fully enclosed, no high pressure just flood
01:27 AM yasnak: even with the 24k spindles the mist never leaks
01:27 AM skullworks: Okuma is open?
01:27 AM tiwake: just use a waterjet for your high pressure coolant
01:27 AM tiwake: 80,000 PSI :D
01:28 AM yasnak: our larger 40 tapers are open topped
01:28 AM yasnak: but they're high as shit
01:28 AM skullworks: replace the spindle because at that speed & pressure it isn't going to follow that 90° turn.
01:28 AM yasnak: lol
01:31 AM skullworks: But high pressure, thru a Kennametal solid carbide drill, about 4000RPM in 3/8" steel plate popping through holes with a .030"IPR feed wass like 1.1 seconds per hole.
01:32 AM skullworks: hundreds of holes - heat exchanger end plates for Trane Industrial airconditioners.
01:35 AM tiwake: I've been rather fond of insert spade drills
01:36 AM skullworks: for what material?
01:37 AM tiwake: yes
01:37 AM tiwake: well, I have not tried them on tungsten...
01:38 AM skullworks: I relegate tungsten to EDM & Grinding.
01:38 AM tiwake: as it should be
01:38 AM tiwake: lol
01:38 AM skullworks: And EDM is not happy with that.
01:39 AM yasnak: yeah, carbide sure loves the filters
01:39 AM yasnak: :P
01:39 AM tiwake: I know a guy who just bought two more wire EDM machines... I think that makes his wireEDM machine count 5 now
01:40 AM skullworks: Burn rate is very dependant on the binder mix - because that is the easy stuff to erode.
01:40 AM skullworks: yikes
01:41 AM tiwake: he wants to sell me his hardinge CNC lathe
01:41 AM tiwake: $500 needs a controller
01:41 AM skullworks: My wire shop runs the air con 24/7/365 to keep the EDM rooms +/- 1.5° F.
01:42 AM skullworks: Chucker type or full slantbed
01:42 AM skullworks: ?
01:42 AM tiwake: http://www.centroidcnc.com/images/hardinge_retrofit_new_600.jpg
01:42 AM tiwake: that thing
01:43 AM tiwake: but without the controller
01:44 AM skullworks: Those are nice - slow, and usually only 3hp - but will make good parts longer than I'll live
01:44 AM tiwake: right
01:44 AM tiwake: for $500 I think its a fantastic deal
01:44 AM tiwake: $1,500 to ship it though... heh
01:44 AM skullworks: I almost wished I had one of those vrs my Hitachi Seiki Turning center.
01:45 AM tiwake: http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/00003-1a.jpg
01:45 AM skullworks: Auto trailer - business vacation drive...
01:45 AM tiwake: somebody putting linuxCNC on that one
01:45 AM tiwake: http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/
01:46 AM skullworks: Oh there are many of those running LCNC very well.
01:46 AM tiwake: I think its a 5hp motor...
01:46 AM skullworks: both the CHNC and HNC versions
01:46 AM tiwake: whats the difference?
01:47 AM skullworks: Older HNC are not sealed for solubile oil coolants and need to run straight oil.
01:48 AM tiwake: sealed? oh, it can get in the ballscrews?
01:48 AM skullworks: also many HNC still have the thread on spindle - so you need to be careful about quick stops or reversing.
01:49 AM tiwake: ah, well, I know the one I'm getting has a 5C collet on it
01:49 AM skullworks: It gets in everywhere - the area under the 8 station turret will be full of oil.
01:49 AM tiwake: there is a turret?
01:49 AM skullworks: nice
01:49 AM tiwake: hmm
01:50 AM tiwake: I haven't even really gotten a good look at it, honestly
01:50 AM skullworks: 8 tool flat manhole - tool holders for 3/8 shank
01:50 AM tiwake: partly because its in his garage with stuff piled all around it
01:50 AM tiwake: he bought it for the same reason, from an auction long ago
01:51 AM tiwake: but does not have time
01:52 AM skullworks: http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mb1ImgJRA7aVBP8F1m49pHA.jpg
01:52 AM tiwake: hmm
01:52 AM skullworks: Time I have too much of
01:52 AM tiwake: if I had that machine I would not have much time... lol
01:53 AM skullworks: I need to get power for my Hitachi - then I would be busy.
01:54 AM skullworks: Make replacement lathe jaw "grippers" for railroad lathes which recut worn rail car wheels.
01:55 AM tiwake: I'm not sure what I would do with that lathe, once I have it and make it functional...
01:55 AM tiwake: find work for it I guess
01:55 AM tiwake: not sure where
01:55 AM skullworks: yeah these are larger parts 4" dia stock turned in the 3 jaw.
02:00 AM skullworks: Its milling the A2 inserts and doing the heat treat that is a pain.
02:00 AM skullworks: Was using O1 - got complaints about excessive smoke from the oil quench.
02:00 AM tiwake: pansies
02:01 AM skullworks: I could prolly get away with it out here at my present shop - but my oven can only hold about 120 parts per lot.
02:01 AM skullworks: shop I was outsourcing the heat treat to - that over held 600.
02:03 AM skullworks: I need to put a new thermalcouple and PID control on my oven - it still has a analog control from the late 50's
02:05 AM skullworks: looks real "Steampunk" with the faceted ruby glass indicator lamps and old style swing needles.
02:09 AM tiwake: heh
02:11 AM tiwake: I should sleep
02:11 AM tiwake: probably
02:12 AM Deejay: moin
02:23 AM tiwake: I'm going to bed
02:50 AM skullworks: nite
03:05 AM skullworks: I guess its my time to bail out also.
05:25 AM jthornton: morning
06:52 AM phiplii: envy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MlEco5dYI4
06:53 AM jthornton: morning
06:53 AM phiplii: morning jt
06:54 AM XXCoder: hey
06:55 AM phiplii: morning XXCoder
06:55 AM XXCoder: whats up
06:57 AM phiplii: watching big clive videos ( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtM5z2gkrGRuWd0JQMx76qA )
06:57 AM phiplii: got distracted by a CNC bridgeport...
06:57 AM phiplii: considering what to do with the day
06:57 AM phiplii: was expecting it to be sunny... it isn't
06:58 AM phiplii: XXCoder: up to much?
06:58 AM XXCoder: not much, though fun party tomorrow
06:59 AM jthornton: today will be pretty nice for August high of 83F and right now 13C
06:59 AM phiplii: yesterday evening was great - good sun with a cool breeze
07:00 AM phiplii: today is damp
07:00 AM phiplii: Might have a go at this : http://www.pyimagesearch.com/2015/09/21/opencv-track-object-movement/
07:00 AM phiplii: considering making something that controls steppers by tracking motion
07:00 AM phiplii: like a modern age pantograph
07:01 AM jthornton: cool
07:01 AM XXCoder: phiplii: heavy heat wave here, but will end by wed, and nights are getting bit cool
07:01 AM phiplii: substitute that guys "north-east" with X10 Y10 etc etc
07:01 AM XXCoder: north of here theres big forest fire so air is constantly smokey, though starting to clear up
07:01 AM phiplii: or be smarter and actually use absolute...
07:02 AM phiplii: XXCoder: the missus and I have very different temperature comfort - bit tricky to manage
07:02 AM phiplii: I'm comfortable about 5 or perhaps more degrees lower than she is
07:03 AM jthornton: got my Pulse 3S 4100mAh batteries in yesterday and now I need to solder on the XT60 plugs
07:03 AM phiplii: the compromise seems to be window open, room cold + huge duvet
07:03 AM phiplii: and then I avoid the duvet
07:03 AM phiplii: how big were the last batteries jthornton?
07:04 AM jthornton: I've been flying the S500 with my Tweaker 5" 3S 1300mAh batteries
07:04 AM phiplii: how much is the weight difference?
07:05 AM phiplii: although you do have some huge spare capacity :)
07:05 AM jthornton: hmmm dunno but more than double I'd bet
07:05 AM jthornton: normally you use a 4000-5000mAh battery on a 500mm quad
07:06 AM phiplii: have you charged them?
07:06 AM jthornton: https://www.banggood.com/EMAX-MT2216-KV810-Brushless-Motor-With-1045-Propeller-For-RC-Modes-p-925679.html
07:06 AM phiplii: what sort of flight time are you expecting?
07:06 AM jthornton: that's the motors I'm using... one has a vibration to it
07:06 AM jthornton: 15 minutes
07:07 AM phiplii: the end of the motor casing rotates?
07:07 AM jthornton: http://www.helipal.com/emax-mt2216-v2-cooling-motor-combo-810kv-ccw.html
07:08 AM jthornton: I should have just got that version as the T style props don't fit the other
07:08 AM jthornton: I need to desolder it and mount it firmly to put a test indicator on it
07:11 AM Tom_L: 67F
07:17 AM jthornton: have you seen the motor balancing videos
07:18 AM Tom_L: yours? no
07:18 AM jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RItntpZZH4g
07:18 AM jthornton: no
07:20 AM jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_yigvysspo
07:20 AM jthornton: that was the one
07:23 AM Tom_L: have you tried it?
07:23 AM jthornton: not yet but now I see the need to test motors before building
07:27 AM Tom_L: so the upper half of the case spins on those?
07:27 AM Tom_L: i haven't seen one
07:27 AM jthornton: yea thats why they call them outrunner
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07:27 AM Tom_L: is that supposed to hold the prop more rigid?
07:28 AM jthornton: no the magnets are on the outside for more torque
07:29 AM Tom_L: that has no effect on the magnetics?
07:30 AM jthornton: dunno
07:32 AM Tom_L: i suppose that ap is for android as well?
07:32 AM jthornton: I'm sure they have one for android
07:34 AM Tom_L: i'd think you would want to test that with the nut on it
07:34 AM jthornton: yea because that is part of the turning mass
07:34 AM Tom_L: then keep them paired up
07:35 AM Tom_L: however, with the nut on and no prop it's not gonna be in the same position as when with a prop
07:35 AM Tom_L: are they nylocks?
07:36 AM jthornton: no
07:36 AM Tom_L: if so you could mark it when installed then test
07:36 AM jthornton: or make a delrin spacer the same thickness as the prop
07:37 AM Tom_L: just so it's the same density all around
07:37 AM Tom_L: i mean, if you're gonna be picky...
07:37 AM jthornton: lol
07:37 AM Tom_L: i used to balance my own beryllium props for model boat racing
07:38 AM Tom_L: collected a box of trophies, stuffed em in the attic and went on with life
07:39 AM Tom_L: i did really enjoy that though
07:39 AM jthornton: I hear ya I got a bunch of trophies for stuff and they just collect dust
07:39 AM Tom_L: expensive hobby though
07:41 AM jthornton: yea RC helicopters was expensive too, planes not so bad
07:42 AM Tom_L: https://www.hobbysoulanges.com/english/bateaux/engines/ops-67/67-drv-marine-engine.html
07:42 AM Tom_L: i used those
07:42 AM Tom_L: had several
07:43 AM Tom_L: would develope around 2.5hp
07:43 AM Tom_L: Power: 4.35hp
07:43 AM Tom_L: guess i was off a bit
07:43 AM jthornton: wow those are pricy
07:43 AM Tom_L: like i said...
07:44 AM Tom_L: if you wanna win that's what you get
07:44 AM Tom_L: that or OS
07:44 AM Tom_L: but 4 hp from 11cc?
07:46 AM Tom_L: then you port and polish it, ditch the stock expansion pipe for a custom one...
07:47 AM jthornton: time to let the chickens out of the run
07:49 AM Tom_L: i think rc copters would be fun
07:49 AM Tom_L: not sure i could master one though
07:49 AM Tom_L: quads seem to have taken their place
08:01 AM JT-Shop: quads are a lot less expensive than a helicopter and easier to fly
08:02 AM JT-Shop: my little Q100 only cost $75 and was ready to bind and fly
08:02 AM JT-Shop: when you were racing boats was it drag racing or a course
09:41 AM IchGucksLive: hi
09:41 AM IchGucksLive: most here are scale modell builder i think
10:13 AM IchGucksLive: till later
10:52 AM UnfinishedBusine: Is jthornton around today? I'm having an odd issue with his thcud.comp module. When a large torch height offset happens like a piece of aluminum that gets radically out of shape during cutting, on the Z retract after the cut finisheses the rapid move seems to completely ignore my maximum velocity and acceleration values for Z. So it just misses all them steps and never moves, causes a crash on the next touchoff
10:53 AM UnfinishedBusine: I think its trying to clear the THC offset, but its trying to do it way too fast for my stepper/linear motion setup. Is there a variable i'm missing/incorrectly set in hal for the THCUD module?
11:03 AM Adamj12b-mobile: When I setup axis jog buttons in pncconf, should these work right away or does something else need to be added/enabled for them to jog the axis?
11:08 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop oval course
11:12 AM UnfinishedBusine: JT - Had an internet outage. Not sure if you responded, or even if my message posted. I'm having an issue with the THCUD module seems to command Z to move so fast when the cuts finished to (I think) clear the offset after a cut. Its ignoring my maximum velocity and acceleration and just. The axis never moves, just misses steps really quickly
11:27 AM phiplii: google translate webpate of the day :
11:28 AM phiplii: "Dar is sorry that the baby is temporarily off the shelves, you can stroll around the other baby"
11:32 AM jesseg: lol
11:43 AM IchGucksLive: hi
11:44 AM IchGucksLive: UnfinishedBusine: hi did you change the THC vwl
11:44 AM IchGucksLive: VEL
11:45 AM IchGucksLive: setp thcud.correction-vel 0.001
11:49 AM IchGucksLive: UnfinishedBusine: if you do set the thcud.correction-vel to high the correction does the fault you describe
11:52 AM UnfinishedBusine: IchGucksLive: hi, My thcud.correction-vel is set to 0.00014. I cut a lot off thin aluminum sheet and this seems to be just fast enough to keep up with warping when using about a 1.5 volt tolerance on my THC. I also have velocity-tol set to 0.0001
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: you are on inch as of uk
11:53 AM UnfinishedBusine: I've messed around with both values quite a bit. this seems to be the best combination so far, but i must be missing something
11:54 AM UnfinishedBusine: Yeah I work in Inch
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: i personly like not to connect the thcud.requested-vel to motion.requested-vel
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: i set the pin to a value so it moves at given fixed speed
11:55 AM IchGucksLive: this may interact to the main gcode
11:55 AM IchGucksLive: UnfinishedBusine: what version of linuxcnc are you using
11:56 AM UnfinishedBusine: Ah, this is a thought. I have it connected. In the Gcode, the retract is a G0 rapid. One thing I have not tried is a G1 with a feed rate. But this should not be the issue. I'm running 2.7.0
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: on debian wheezy or mint ?
11:57 AM UnfinishedBusine: Its the linuxcnc distro (I believe its sitting on top of wheezy)
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: ok
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: so i got 4plasmas running in business
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: WHY at all are you trying to correct the offset as it interacts to the main z
11:59 AM UnfinishedBusine: Your the man! I have one big one in business and I have to work on it more than my old Harley :p
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: i show the value
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: and then correct the g-code to the next part
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: as you see if cutting high is better at 1.5-2.5
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: i use eagle thc
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: so it is set to 112V
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: at +-8
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: acting
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: on a max table bent of 5mm
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: the s-cut plasmas will do a internal torche correction on voltice electronic for me it is better to dont go to tight
12:02 PM UnfinishedBusine: I'm using PriceCNC's THC most of my jobs are burnt out of 5058 0.060" or 0.080". Some times these sheets can move up over 4 inches
12:03 PM IchGucksLive: so the plasma electronics may give you a bad feedback
12:04 PM UnfinishedBusine: Some cuts are over 4ft long with details. I cut with hypertherm and use there 50:1 feedback. Its pretty clean. I cut at about 140V height
12:05 PM IchGucksLive: example THC moves up on 110V detection plasma electronics is up to correct the torce itself to 112V and gets a feedback on the Torche up by lcnc to 114V
12:06 PM UnfinishedBusine: During the cut the torch moves up and down fine without any missed steps. Its only during retract after the cuts finished that steps are missed (I believe when THCUD.COMP clears the offset it was using)
12:06 PM Tom_L: IchGucksLive do you have mills also?
12:06 PM Tom_L: or just plasma
12:07 PM UnfinishedBusine: Tom_L I have a VMC, if its relevant to you
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: Tom_L: as you know we build around 200 mashines a year
12:07 PM Tom_L: no i didn't know
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: UnfinishedBusine: the AVHC10
12:07 PM UnfinishedBusine: Yes, thats the one
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: Tom_L: real small at 175mm square workarea
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: UnfinishedBusine: realy expensive
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: the eagle is half
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: UnfinishedBusine: i read the manual
12:10 PM UnfinishedBusine: I know, I should have bought the mesa card. Didn't know at the time. Who sells the eagle?
12:11 PM Tom_L: UnfinishedBusine, not too late...
12:12 PM UnfinishedBusine: This is true. I'm gonna try to get my money's work out of the Price one. I don't believe my issue has anything to do with it. Its sending the up and down signals just fine
12:15 PM IchGucksLive: UnfinishedBusine: what tolerance did you set to the AVHC10 it comes on 1V
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: this is to low use a 4-8V
12:17 PM UnfinishedBusine: I set the tolerance to 1.6V. Seems to work well on aluminum. I set it to about 2.5V on heavy HRS plates.
12:17 PM IchGucksLive: the pirce setup needs to be at least 2sec beond the G04
12:18 PM UnfinishedBusine: Its set at 2 sec in my post
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: and om the thc
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: the thc counts from ARC on
12:19 PM IchGucksLive: not as many think from arc ok
12:19 PM UnfinishedBusine: I actually did have that set wrong. it was set at 1.0 seconds
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: go to 3 seconds
12:20 PM UnfinishedBusine: What effect would that have at the end of the cut? My problem occurs after the cut is finished and the torch is off
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: did you use a G4 at the end
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: WHY the tourch off gets a hevy EM burst to the mashine
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: so i wait 1sec to move up
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: so the controler does not move Z up within 25us beond M5
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: this offen sets the stepeprdriver confusing
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: and up to 1mm got lost in a education mashine
12:22 PM UnfinishedBusine: my dwell is after the torch turns off (2 seconds)
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: the 7i76 i use is best at 0,6seconds
12:23 PM IchGucksLive: ok so this is not the case
12:23 PM IchGucksLive: what BOB are you on
12:23 PM IchGucksLive: mach3 5 axis
12:24 PM UnfinishedBusine: No. Its just one I designed. Its LPT
12:24 PM UnfinishedBusine: Everything is well shielded and twisted pair. Even inside the control
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: ok so it might not be a best ground DC-DC shild
12:25 PM IchGucksLive: i recomend to increase Torch wait up delay
12:25 PM IchGucksLive: try 5 seconds
12:25 PM IchGucksLive: i realy have seen people waiting 12 seconds till the airflow is off to move
12:26 PM UnfinishedBusine: The shields are all star grounded to chasi which is earth grounded. I have very clean signals on my scope to all the drivers when the problem occurs. LinuxCNC is very clearly commanding the Z axis to move faster than it can
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: the hypertherm keeps internal Ground connect/detect up till airflow stops
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: OK so did you consier to lower the Z axis ACC
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: as it standard dont need to be faster then 20inch
12:28 PM UnfinishedBusine: yeah I had is as low as 0.1. While jogging and program run, its always obeys this. The only time it doesn't is during a retract after a cut where lots of THC offset was used (A piece warped a lot)
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: i woudt go to 10Inch per second
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: NO the INI
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: [AXIS_2]
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: MAX_ACCELERATION = 10.0
12:30 PM UnfinishedBusine: This would be 0.1 inch per second. Ive had it as low as 0.05 inch per second. Still ignored it during the retract
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 12.50
12:31 PM IchGucksLive: it is as i see the motion-vel request
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: the thcup interacts that and the task does not apply the max
12:33 PM IchGucksLive: UnfinishedBusine: PLEASE update the linuxcnc to 2.7.11
12:33 PM IchGucksLive: this isssu has been fixed in 2.7.9
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: UnfinishedBusine: http://www.schweden-feuer.de/feuersauelen.htm parts we make
12:38 PM UnfinishedBusine: oh okay, I will upgrade! I believe your right!
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: woudt be good if this fixes it
12:39 PM Tom_L: IchGucksLive is genius
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: Tom_L: as far away as North pole
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: im only a old man
12:39 PM Tom_L: at least you didn't say the moon :D
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: with no WIN
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: Tom_L: i woudt not go that far
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: you can reatch south pole by plane
12:40 PM UnfinishedBusine: IchGucksLive: Awesome pieces! Thanks for your help
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: but to northpole you need to walk a long way
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: Tom_L: or take a ship in summer 2020
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: UnfinishedBusine: No Problem
12:42 PM Tom_L: what do you use to draw those patterns?
12:42 PM Tom_L: http://www.schweden-feuer.de/feuersauelen.htm
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: openclipart
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv1v5qj7Rek
12:43 PM BeachBumPete: Hey those are cool man
12:43 PM Tom_L: from SS?
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: thats the way how i do it
12:44 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete, i'm working out my config for the spindle orient... slowly
12:46 PM BeachBumPete: Tom_L AWESOME sir
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: Tom_L: i try to figure out what SS means to you
12:48 PM Loetmichel: I just helped my wife clean up the BMW x1... she is getting a new company car on monday... Mercedes GLC hybrid... Maaan, how does she manage to make SUCH a mess in just 4 years? That x1 was brandnew. And now it looks like there were some homeless living in it.
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel: did you see the oldtimer line up today in wisebaden
12:48 PM Loetmichel: no
12:49 PM Tom_L: IchGucksLive, stainless steel
12:49 PM BeachBumPete: I guess that is in euros?
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: as costemers request
12:51 PM BeachBumPete: I like the witches one and the dragon one. You make those with linuxCNC?
12:51 PM IchGucksLive: yes
12:51 PM BeachBumPete: SWEET
12:51 PM BeachBumPete: ya know speaking of CNC Plasma cutters
12:52 PM BeachBumPete: I knew a guy in Tennessee that had a CNC machine shop
12:52 PM BeachBumPete: he wanted a CNC plasma but did not really have room for one
12:52 PM BeachBumPete: so he built this neat little collapsible water table
12:52 PM IchGucksLive: in tHe us Steel plates are comen household parts so you make a money maker
12:52 PM Tom_L: i'm off
12:52 PM BeachBumPete: that held the vertical slats
12:53 PM BeachBumPete: then he made this arm that he attached to his CNC mill table
12:53 PM BeachBumPete: and the arm held the torch
12:53 PM IchGucksLive: that is quite dangeras
12:53 PM BeachBumPete: I don't know how he triggered it
12:53 PM BeachBumPete: why would it be dangerous?
12:53 PM IchGucksLive: no Ground
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: it can burn your entirer electronics
12:54 PM BeachBumPete: he used it quite a bit
12:54 PM BeachBumPete: he showed me some parts he made with it
12:54 PM BeachBumPete: they looked pretty impressive
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: and best the partport bob will sparkle like a children firer cracker
12:54 PM BeachBumPete: hmm
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: ok then he did all right
12:55 PM BeachBumPete: I don't know how he did it but it sure worked
12:55 PM BeachBumPete: only problem is his table was only like 4x4 and the tables travel was like 40x16
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: the standard plasmas have spare connectors to the trigger button
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: so you just connect spindle on via relay
12:56 PM BeachBumPete: I thought about trying it with my VMC but the damn enclosure doors would be a problem I think
12:56 PM BeachBumPete: do you have a picture of your plasma table setup?
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: remove the locker with a key
12:57 PM BeachBumPete: I'd say shipping one of those you make here would be a killer huh
12:59 PM BeachBumPete: what are you burning in those to make those cool streamy fire photos?
12:59 PM mycel: hey folks
12:59 PM BeachBumPete: hey
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: BeachBumPete: http://plasmacut-creative.de/de/werbemittel/
01:00 PM mycel: do you know laserweb?
01:00 PM mycel: aka cncweb
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: BeachBumPete: this is the mashine CAD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-24T2lqgH4
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: mycel: we build most ower own needs
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: mycel: welcome im in europ 2
01:01 PM mycel: IchGucksLive? that sentence doesn't make any sense for me
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: my english is very bad i know as a german
01:03 PM IchGucksLive: mycel: on laserweb we miss all the 3rd axis :o
01:04 PM mycel: from your website I don't see anything that would need a 3rd axis...
01:04 PM mycel: anyways. I don't need a 3rd axis.
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: mycel: the sheets and the table bends up to 1cm
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: the laser will fast be out of focus
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: and on 0.5 sheet distance max it will touch
01:06 PM BeachBumPete: those are all laser cut?
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: all plasma as far as from our familie
01:07 PM BeachBumPete: have you shipped to US before?
01:07 PM IchGucksLive: polished metall shiing
01:07 PM IchGucksLive: its not me
01:07 PM IchGucksLive: im the man for the hard stuff to be solved
01:07 PM mycel: BeachBumPete: is linuxcnc (more or less ... for the basics ... and to let out 3rd axis) comparable / competetitive with lasercnc/cncweb?
01:08 PM mycel: because linuxcnc was my best bet ...but now that I have seen the web-app it looks more noob-friendly
01:08 PM BeachBumPete: mycel honestly I am not familiar with laserCNC/CNCweb. LinuxCNC is a kickass open source CNC machine control program that can run most anything
01:08 PM mycel: (coming a long way of not wanting to use all those crappy windows tools and staying FAR away from gcode etc.)
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: mycel: there are more then one app view
01:09 PM BeachBumPete: linuxCNC uses standard G code
01:09 PM archivist: a bit of gcode never did anyone any harm :)
01:09 PM mycel: what I'd love to do is (more or less): press 'print' inside inkscape
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: mycel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANSRDQeWkMA
01:09 PM BeachBumPete: its not like you have to be a G code expert anymore anyway with the CAM packages around
01:10 PM BeachBumPete: well then maybe linuxCNC is not for you hehe
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: mycel: estlcam can do your picture to mashining direct
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: mycel: lcnc has also a image importer
01:10 PM BeachBumPete: IchGucksLive so that is not your website/products then?
01:10 PM mycel: BeachBumPete: well, might be. but all this windows software which where approx. coded in the 1740s and never updated made me really afraid :D
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: BeachBumPete: from famile
01:11 PM BeachBumPete: what windows software?
01:11 PM mycel: mach3... cambam... stuff like that
01:11 PM mycel: please. I almost forgot them.
01:11 PM BeachBumPete: ah ok
01:11 PM mycel: which is good :D
01:11 PM BeachBumPete: linuxCNC IMHO is far superior to Mach3
01:11 PM BeachBumPete: I actually use Cambam a bit
01:11 PM mycel: well. of course it is. but it is still not an "artist" tool
01:11 PM BeachBumPete: but there are better options out there now
01:12 PM BeachBumPete: maybe it would be better if you just tell us what you are trying to do...
01:12 PM IchGucksLive: its a cnc controler not more but also not lewss
01:12 PM mycel: IchGucksLive: wow.. worst youtube video I have ever seen lol
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: Thanks
01:13 PM mycel: https://youtu.be/ANSRDQeWkMA?t=116 <-- this looks like mach3 :E cancer to my eyes
01:14 PM mycel: http://cncpro.co/images/LaserWebDec2016.PNG <-- compare it to this
01:14 PM BeachBumPete: it may LOOK like Mach3 but is sure is NOT Mach3 hehe
01:15 PM IchGucksLive: mycel: coustomised https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbPgHUxsEBA
01:15 PM mycel: ugly, IchGucksLive :E
01:15 PM mycel: sorry
01:16 PM IchGucksLive: then prog your own need
01:16 PM BeachBumPete: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BcfYsH4jyM&list=PLVfpyVHhM3EgMOTYYkJQACEHtrHgwxiDp
01:18 PM BeachBumPete: mycel I think what you might find is that while the LOOK of the control can be customized/changed what is really important is whats under the hood and the help you will get when you have an issue
01:19 PM BeachBumPete: this control has been installed on MANY MANY large heavy commercial machines and run day in/day out
01:20 PM BeachBumPete: it is not some gimmicky thrown together program but one that has been improved upon and continues to be improved upon as it is open source and the people in charge really care about how it works and that it is safe to use
01:20 PM codepython7771: does anyone have a recommendation for cutting 10 to 20 or so carbon fiber designs online in the US? 200mm x300mm cuts is all I need.
01:20 PM mycel: yeah, but I am a hobbyist without a commercial 5-axis machine but just 2-axis which doesn't need all the linuxcnc magic I suppose - because all that magic comes with a lot of learning and not pressing one button after importing my vector file
01:21 PM BeachBumPete: sure... I guess it depends on what your need are. There are MANY folks in here that are just like you with tiny desktop machines as well. It works as well either way.
01:21 PM BeachBumPete: as far as pressing one button..well... good luck with that ;)
01:23 PM Tom_L: i'd love to press 'print' too but life just ain't that way sir
01:23 PM mycel: I simplified it. but linuxcnc (and before all mach30 / cambam) look to me as a beginner like I'd need a machining degree - if you know what I mean :E
01:23 PM mycel: http://cncpro.co/images/LaserWebDec2016.PNG Tom_L look at this... this is only pressing a few buttons
01:23 PM Tom_L: linuxcnc is by far a superior control
01:23 PM BeachBumPete: there is something to be said about learning this stuff... it is quite interesting and capable. There is no loss in learning about it that I can see.
01:24 PM IchGucksLive: mycel: the estlcam is only one button
01:24 PM mycel: Tom_L: well... a 747 is a superior control as well. but if you have a glider a 747 control panel is not what you want, right?
01:24 PM Tom_L: mycel, so what do you do if you press the button and it doesn't work out as planned?
01:25 PM BeachBumPete: mycel that is a poor analogy because the program would work as well with either the glider or the 747 ;)
01:25 PM Tom_L: mycel, they made it to the moon on less cpu than the average calculator has now
01:25 PM Tom_L: what of it?
01:25 PM mycel: yes! exactly that's why it's a good analogy :)
01:25 PM BeachBumPete: they had BIG FRIGGIN' BALLS too
01:25 PM Tom_L: i don't think it's for you.
01:26 PM Tom_L: i'm not gonna try to defend it
01:26 PM BeachBumPete: there's nothing to defend
01:26 PM mycel: my workflow should stay in the vector program
01:26 PM BeachBumPete: it is what it is.
01:26 PM BeachBumPete: what are you making?
01:27 PM Tom_L: i dare say you won't find a control as flexible
01:27 PM mycel: and if you look at the coreldraw plugins the chinese made for e.g. the k40 co2 laser cutters - that's imho easier to use than to install linuxcnc and get to know it
01:27 PM codepython7771: Does anyone know how long do these things last: https://www.mcmaster.com/#cnc-router-bits/=18swria ?
01:27 PM mycel: I don't need flexability but just an app / plugin which will drive the motors, right? ;)
01:27 PM Tom_L: codepython777 in who's hands?
01:27 PM BeachBumPete: codepython777 depends on how much cuttin' ya do ;)
01:28 PM BeachBumPete: what kind of machine are you using mycel?
01:28 PM mycel: in the corel draw plugin you have to adjust 2 values only I think
01:28 PM Tom_L: will corel draw drive your machine?
01:29 PM mycel: BeachBumPete: thinking about buying a k40 and owning a 2-axis styrocutter which I haven't used so far because I am still looking for software to use it with (just found cncweb and the GRBL boards which are pretty cheap and possibly could replace the whole controller of my 2-axis styro cutter AND later the k40's controller too I suppose)
01:30 PM mycel: Tom_L: it's a USB connection ...so it will feed the data to the controller - no idea what exactly is happening there under the hood)
01:31 PM mycel: if it's gcode already or whatever
01:31 PM Tom_L: grbl is
01:31 PM Tom_L: a limited subset
01:32 PM mycel: whatever that means. you have to elaborate if you want me to understand :)
01:32 PM Tom_L: you will still have a simiar amount of setup no matter what control you use
01:32 PM codepython7771: Tom_L: I was hoping to cut CF using these bits. I've been using ebay parts so far
01:32 PM codepython7771: they go bad after a few cuts
01:32 PM mycel: I'd rather setup once and then use a nice UI than setup once and use UI's that look like mach3/linuxcnc to be honest :/
01:33 PM pcw_home: Yeah, if you need a simple controller for simple limited machine control, LinuxCNC is not it
01:33 PM Tom_L: codepython777, see what they have: http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/
01:35 PM mycel: pcw_home: that's what I wanted to know actually - thanks
01:35 PM pcw_home: LinuxCNC is a full featured controller for serious machines, not a press a button and hope you like results controller
01:36 PM mycel: well ... there is nothing much that can go wrong if you know the values for your materials, right?
01:36 PM mycel: like a lasercutter and 2 mm plywood - one set of values for engraving, one for cutting. that's it.
01:36 PM mycel: -and
01:37 PM pcw_home: The controller for as laser cutter can be vastly simpler that a full CNC controller
01:37 PM IchGucksLive: mycel: simple is offen not the best choice
01:38 PM IchGucksLive: mycel: did you consider the ramps laser clone
01:38 PM mycel: IchGucksLive: what is a ramps laser clone?
01:38 PM IchGucksLive: ramps is the 3d printer driver
01:38 PM mycel: simpler is in my opinion and situation one thing: better
01:39 PM IchGucksLive: its low as 50usd
01:39 PM codepython7771: Tom_L: Where is a good place to get a good wasteboard? :)
01:39 PM mycel: also look at the UIs makerbot etc. have - I am looking for something like that which is obviously something like cncweb/laserweb
01:40 PM IchGucksLive: mycel: are you in the USA
01:40 PM mycel: germany
01:41 PM IchGucksLive: ich sitze in Zweibrücken
01:41 PM mycel: also it would take out the hassle of buying and setting up a PC with a serial output and just having a USB connection to my machines
01:42 PM IchGucksLive: mycel: https://www.roboter-bausatz.de/3d-druck/3d-drucker-elektronik/boards-controller/
01:42 PM IchGucksLive: 40 euro und du bist im geschäft
01:44 PM BeachBumPete: I would be curious as to the quality of that setup. Hard to imagine NOT having the very complete control of the cut speed, feedrates, machining envelope, etc... in certain circumstances simpler is NOT better
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: mycel: die drv treiber
01:44 PM mycel: BeachBumPete: of course I need cut speed control etc.
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: BeachBumPete: thats why we are here and using lcnc
01:45 PM IchGucksLive: mycel: dann muss der pc das machne nicht der standalone
01:46 PM BeachBumPete: mycel well that is my point exactly. I do not own or operate a CNC laser or styrofoam machine but i know enough about them to know that feedrates and speeds let alone the manner in which the cuts happen is critical to the end result
01:47 PM codepython7771: Where is a good place to get a level cheap wasteboard? :)
01:47 PM BeachBumPete: and if you add a third axis or down the road wish to use a CNC router table or god forbid a milling machine the same principles you spent time to learn will pay dividends
01:47 PM mycel: BeachBumPete: yup of course. those are 2 values. so in the end I'd need a UI where I can insert my vector gfx and setup those TWO values and hit the "print" button
01:47 PM BeachBumPete: codepython777 wasteboards are not level generally you SURFACE them I think
01:48 PM codepython7771: BeachBumPete: I have been using MDF from the local store. Perhaps there is a better way?
01:48 PM BeachBumPete: well there are different kinds of MDF and some are more dense than others.
01:49 PM BeachBumPete: As I recall the ones they use for substrate on CNC routers are a bit less dense so the vacuum can pull thru them easier
01:49 PM BeachBumPete: but if you do not have vacuum I would suggest whatever the cheapest available is that is reasonably flat
01:54 PM codepython7771: BeachBumPete: I do have a vacuum cleaner
01:55 PM codepython7771: @9:40 -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4lU3cVWTlo - what wasteboard is this guy using? Is that MDF?
02:01 PM BeachBumPete: that actually appears to be melamine
02:01 PM BeachBumPete: I would just use MDF for that application
02:04 PM codepython7771: BeachBumPete: where can i buy a rectangular bristle brush for the vacuum?
02:06 PM BeachBumPete: I am not sure... I think I have seen videos where people make thier own with the router...
02:06 PM codepython7771: dust boot
02:08 PM codepython7771: http://www.ebay.com/itm/100mm-White-Spindle-Dust-Dustproof-Shoe-Vacuum-Cleaner-Cover-For-CNC-Router/232414492660 - something like this
02:08 PM BeachBumPete: jeez thats cheap enough just get that one ;)
02:12 PM codepython7771: BeachBumPete: The brush lenght is short on that one it seems
02:36 PM CaptHindsight: add your own longer brushes
02:37 PM CaptHindsight: though they might get caught in the cutting tools
02:38 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Plastic-Drop-Cloth-Common-9-ft-x-12-ft-Actual-9-ft-x-12-ft/3553998 another option
02:40 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
03:34 PM phiplii: evening
04:27 PM Deejay: gn8
05:42 PM Tom_L: codepython777, i use aluminum plate as a sacrificial plate
06:48 PM phiplii: hum
06:52 PM Roguish: hey, it the email down ?
06:57 PM JT-Shop: clearing a sunny and high of 77 today... I wonder what happened to that forcast. 175 miles from the house it starts getting darker and sprinkling 25 miles later at our stopping point it starts raining and doesn't quit till we get back... 225 miles of raining on the bike
06:59 PM Loetmichel: JT-Shop: let me guess: you hand have a single dry jarn on your body?
07:02 PM JT-Shop: jarn?
07:03 PM Loetmichel: piece of thread
07:04 PM JT-Shop: even with frog toggs on we were both pretty wet under
07:06 PM * Loetmichel drove to work on a 50cc scoter for over 6 years... summer and winter... 42km one way... i know how it feels to sit an hour on a 2 wheeler in jeans and leather jacket and it rains cats and dogs...
07:07 PM Loetmichel: ... the winters with -10°c and heavy snowing were worse though.
07:11 PM phiplii: long gone midnight...
07:11 PM phiplii: night folks
07:14 PM JT-Shop: night
07:23 PM Adamj12b-mobile: BeachBumPete I think i have reached the limit of what can be done in the living room. :)
07:23 PM BeachBumPete: Adamj12b-mobile SWEET... Get it done man!!
07:24 PM BeachBumPete: unfortunately today for me was a bust
07:24 PM BeachBumPete: instead of being out there working on the CNC lathe
07:24 PM BeachBumPete: I had to take my kids to a uniform store to get their clothes for school
07:24 PM BeachBumPete: then of course gotta go out to dinner
07:24 PM BeachBumPete: and drive around to other stores...
07:25 PM BeachBumPete: so yeah I hardly had any time out in the shop today
07:26 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Ive reached the limit of pncconf. Tomorrow I hope to install the back panel into the cabinet and start tying into the actual machine.
07:27 PM BeachBumPete: that should be rather simple with how you have everything configured already
07:27 PM JT-Shop: Pete the wife and I rode 400 miles to get some brats... 225 miles in the rain
07:27 PM BeachBumPete: JT-Shop that does not sound like something to brag about hehe
07:28 PM JT-Shop: well the trip started out nice and cool with a few clouds and 25 miles from Swiss MO it started going south
07:28 PM BeachBumPete: we did have dinner in the restaurant I built all those benches and tables for tho which was cool..
07:29 PM JT-Shop: http://www.swissmeats.com/
07:29 PM JT-Shop: hey that is pretty cool
07:30 PM JT-Shop: we put the trailer hitch carrier on when we go to Swiss so we can bring a cooler full back
07:30 PM BeachBumPete: I like a good grilled brat as much as the next guy ;)
07:30 PM JT-Shop: these are the best I've ever tasted
07:31 PM BeachBumPete: http://imgur.com/a/9gpDM
07:31 PM * JT-Shop goes on the hunt for a soldering with enough power to solder this 10 gauge fine strand wire
07:32 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Today i got the mpg woth selector switch working. Amazing how much easier and better that process ever was in mach....
07:32 PM JT-Shop: that the one you built the benches and tables for?
07:33 PM BeachBumPete: yeah they opened recently
07:33 PM BeachBumPete: they make a DAMN good burger
07:33 PM JT-Shop: nice work
07:33 PM BeachBumPete: but the place is kind of a high end chefs restaurant
07:33 PM BeachBumPete: most of the plates are well over 20 bucks
07:34 PM BeachBumPete: so we go there for the lunch menu and eat their 12 burgers
07:34 PM BeachBumPete: thanks
07:34 PM JT-Shop: when we toured Texas we stopped in a little local joint and they had the best burgers I've had in a long time
07:34 PM JT-Shop: gotta run
07:34 PM Adamj12b-mobile: BeachBumPete Whats the name of the place?
07:35 PM BeachBumPete: its called Harvest Table
07:35 PM BeachBumPete: it used to be in downtown Stuart Florida
07:35 PM BeachBumPete: its kind of a funny story
07:36 PM BeachBumPete: the chef told me that they moved there because of Bob
07:36 PM BeachBumPete: I was like who's Bob
07:36 PM BeachBumPete: well apparently Bob is one of the wealthiest people on the Island
07:36 PM BeachBumPete: he supposedly created some software for security systems and it went global years ago
07:36 PM BeachBumPete: the story goes
07:37 PM BeachBumPete: that him and his wife who live in a MASSIVE MANSION on the beach here
07:37 PM BeachBumPete: would take their bentley into Stuart most days
07:37 PM BeachBumPete: to have lunch or dinner at the old Harvest Table
07:37 PM BeachBumPete: apparently he became good friends with the Chef and his wife
07:38 PM BeachBumPete: so one day he asked them if they would consider moving out onto the Island if he paid for the new restaurant to be built in his building he owns there
07:38 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Ha!
07:38 PM BeachBumPete: just because he and his wife disliked having to drive the ten miles or so into Stuart LOL
07:39 PM BeachBumPete: so they agreed, sold the old place and moved into the new one
07:39 PM BeachBumPete: we build all the benches and tables and bar setup for the new restaurant
07:39 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Man would it be nice to know what money like that is like...
07:39 PM BeachBumPete: How crazy is it to be SOOOO rich that you can have your favorite restaurant moved close to your house just so you don't have to drive so far LOL
07:40 PM BeachBumPete: the guy apparently owns several properties all over the island and some across the intercoastal on the mainland
07:41 PM BeachBumPete: Rich just doesn't adequately describe him I guess hehehe must be nice
07:57 PM Loetmichel: harhar, how true, how true... -> http://www.isnichwahr.de/r234239-recht-so.html
07:59 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Loetmichel perfect!
08:00 PM * Loetmichel worked close to 10 years in stage rental... the stories i could tell ;)
08:02 PM BeachBumPete: so you were a roadie? ;)
08:02 PM Loetmichel: kinda
08:02 PM Loetmichel: i was the electronics workshop head
08:03 PM Loetmichel: so i went out on the big shows to be there in case of emergency. and of course did roadie work when nothing DID go wrong
08:03 PM Loetmichel: the workshop of the rental company
08:04 PM Loetmichel: repair of amplifiers, moving lights, dimmers, you name it
08:04 PM Loetmichel: even welding together some specal stage rigs
08:08 PM Adamj12b-mobile: BeachBumPete Does your cincinnati have a spindle load meter? Also, how much hp is it?
08:09 PM BeachBumPete: yeah it does have one. The spindle is a 10hp motor
08:10 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Is the meter in linuxcnc or a panel meter? Im trying to figure out what I want i want to do..
08:10 PM BeachBumPete: it is in an Pyvcp panel on the GUI
08:11 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Cool. How is it feed into lcnc? Analog signal?
08:11 PM BeachBumPete: well my VFD has that output so just hooked it into linuxCNC via the Modbus control...
08:13 PM BeachBumPete: this is an issue for me actually
08:13 PM Adamj12b-mobile: I was looking at doing the same with mine.
08:13 PM BeachBumPete: because I WANT to use that as well as other functions of the VFD eventually
08:13 PM BeachBumPete: but unfortunately for me
08:14 PM BeachBumPete: the modbus control communication is NOT fast enough to perform the spindle orient I need to enact the tool change
08:14 PM BeachBumPete: so I am going to have to remove the Modbus control setup and revert back to the analog input I was using with it initially
08:15 PM BeachBumPete: that is of course unless there is a means to use BOTH at the same time...
08:15 PM BeachBumPete: which remains to be seen
08:18 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Y
08:18 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Whoops.
08:19 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Are you controlling the drive through modbus?
08:19 PM BeachBumPete: yeah
08:19 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Ah. Yea i can see why thats an issue.
08:20 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Is your machine capable of rigid tapping?
08:20 PM BeachBumPete: sure all the time ;)
08:24 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Did you have a load meter originally? Or did that come with modbus.
08:25 PM BeachBumPete: well the machine ORIGINALLY had one of course but when I gutted it I added the VFD and new drives motors and everything else
08:25 PM BeachBumPete: then I used analog control
08:25 PM BeachBumPete: but folks here helped me switch to Modbus so I could add the load metering and other features
08:25 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Im trying to figure out how to get the analog signal into the system. If I have to get another mesa card, i mind as well connect the servo load meters.
08:26 PM BeachBumPete: when we did that we created the pyVCP panel
08:26 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Gotcha. You said you had a build thread for the machine?
08:26 PM BeachBumPete: why don't you just use the 7I77 spindle inputs?
08:28 PM BeachBumPete: that is how I configured it initally
08:28 PM Adamj12b-mobile: Spindle inputs? Im using the last analog output, enable plus 2 outputs to control the drive already. Im just trying to figure out analog in for load.
08:28 PM BeachBumPete: I have a thread about it on CNCzone cincinatti forum but a lot of the progress was done here
08:29 PM BeachBumPete: yeah the 7I77 has six axis controls plus spindle I think
08:31 PM BeachBumPete: Six uncommitted OPTO coupler outputs are available for drive enable. Five of these
08:31 PM BeachBumPete: outputs are (ENA0 through ENA4) are switched in common while ENA5 can be
08:31 PM BeachBumPete: independently switched for spindle applications
08:32 PM Adamj12b-mobile: 6 total with 0-4 having common enable and 5 has dedicated enable for spindle use.
08:32 PM BeachBumPete: there ya go
08:48 PM tiwake: BeachBumPete: what if I moved to florida?
08:48 PM BeachBumPete: What if?
08:49 PM BeachBumPete: you'd be a helluva lot more tan I can tell ya that ;)
08:49 PM jdh: because you get paid in sunshine dollars
08:50 PM BeachBumPete: no because the damn sun is thermonuclear here of course
09:00 PM BeachBumPete: tiwake what did you mean by that?
09:01 PM tiwake: BeachBumPete: sharing a house|wife if I move close? (lol, I don't really know what I mean)
09:02 PM BeachBumPete: wow man you are gonna share your wife with me? IS she hot?
09:02 PM BeachBumPete: :)
09:02 PM tiwake: I don't have a wife to share :-/
09:02 PM tiwake: otherwise I would
09:02 PM BeachBumPete: neither do I ;)
09:02 PM tiwake: oh well
09:03 PM tiwake: nevermind, I don't want to move to florida anymore
09:03 PM tiwake: (lol)
09:03 PM BeachBumPete: hehe
09:04 PM BeachBumPete: its quite nice I think..
09:04 PM BeachBumPete: right now we are kinda hot but from what I hear so is most of the rest of the country
09:05 PM tiwake: I hope the west coast dies from a heat stroke
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09:06 PM BeachBumPete: west coast of Florida?
09:06 PM tiwake: of USA
09:06 PM BeachBumPete: I'm on the east coast ;)
09:06 PM tiwake: oregon, califorina, washington
09:06 PM BeachBumPete: hehe
09:06 PM BeachBumPete: I hear ya
09:06 PM tiwake: I know, so you and I will be safe
09:08 PM BeachBumPete: I need to figure out how to get so much cash that all I have to do is sit around all day and play with my CNC machines and Air rifles :)
09:08 PM tiwake: why not real rifles?
09:09 PM BeachBumPete: I have those too
09:09 PM BeachBumPete: most of the time they just sit in the closet
09:09 PM tiwake: I suppose air rifles that push pellets at super sonic work too
09:09 PM jdh: it's florida, you are required to buy black rifles if you live there.
09:09 PM BeachBumPete: does bluing count?
09:09 PM jdh: sure
09:09 PM tiwake: black bluing is a thing
09:10 PM BeachBumPete: tiwake honestly most of my airguns are slow shooters around 800FPS
09:10 PM BeachBumPete: then Im good
09:12 PM BeachBumPete: honestly I truly enjoy shooting my airguns and while the centerfires I have are exciting to shoot I tire of the recoil let alone having to travel just to shoot
09:12 PM Loetmichel: tiwake: is that possible? IIRC you cant make air rifles that exceed the speed of sound
09:12 PM BeachBumPete: sure you can
09:12 PM Loetmichel: unless the barrel is evacuated before every shot
09:12 PM BeachBumPete: in fact there are many that do
09:13 PM BeachBumPete: hell most break barrel magnum spring piston airguns are supersonic
09:13 PM tiwake: Loetmichel: its a compressed gas... how do you think rifles work?
09:13 PM tiwake: its all just compressed gas
09:13 PM Loetmichel: BeachBumPete: airguns recoil-less? tell HIM that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U7TRDFjnFM
09:14 PM Loetmichel: tiwake: if memory serves corect there is a problem with getting the compressed air behind the bullet fast enough if its stored in a tank and not generated by an explosion
09:15 PM Loetmichel: also guns with explosives int hem tend to have up to 3000bar in the barrel
09:15 PM Loetmichel: not the few 100 bar you can get with a compressed air gun
09:15 PM BeachBumPete: that is actually an arrow gun
09:15 PM BeachBumPete: they actually sell those
09:15 PM Loetmichel: BeachBumPete: it is. but nontheless air actuated
09:16 PM Loetmichel: and very much NOT recoilless ;)
09:16 PM Loetmichel: joerg is quite a big fella...
09:16 PM BeachBumPete: Loetmichel take my word for it there are MANY supersonic pellet rifles
09:16 PM Loetmichel: if HE stumpnes...
09:16 PM Loetmichel: stumbles
09:17 PM Loetmichel: BeachBumPete: interesting
09:17 PM Loetmichel: i honestly thought taht would be impossible
09:17 PM tiwake: why? you can get super high compressed gas no problem
09:18 PM BeachBumPete: well supersonic speed at sea level is only like 1125 fps
09:18 PM Loetmichel: tiwake: storage problems
09:18 PM tiwake: just take liquid nitrogen and dump it in a container that won't explode
09:18 PM BeachBumPete: there are many gamo cheapass rifles that advertise 1200 fps with light pellets
09:18 PM tiwake: BeachBumPete: whats your favorite air rifle company?
09:18 PM Loetmichel: you pretty much run out of components that can withstand the pressure and "switch" it on and off at less than half a 1000 bar
09:19 PM BeachBumPete: tiwake honestly there are many good ones
09:19 PM BeachBumPete: but truth be told I have an affinity for weirauch from Germany
09:19 PM Loetmichel: BeachBumPete: with light pellets? for how long? 2 inches off the muzzle?
09:20 PM BeachBumPete: well most pellet bleed speed rather quickly when compared to high powered rifles so yeah
09:20 PM Loetmichel: :-)
09:21 PM BeachBumPete: my target gun of choice is the Weirauch HW97 MKIII
09:21 PM tiwake: because not much mass to the projectile
09:21 PM * Loetmichel once tried to make a coil gun that shoots broken 1/8" TC mill bit shafts...
09:21 PM Loetmichel: still have all the parts needed here
09:21 PM BeachBumPete: http://www.pyramydaircup.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/hw97.png
09:21 PM Loetmichel: maybe i should get that project out of cold storage...
09:22 PM BeachBumPete: something like that
09:22 PM Loetmichel: only a few 100 joules thou, no kJ
09:23 PM BeachBumPete: http://davegcustomstocks.com/hw97ftdominator2.jpg
09:23 PM BeachBumPete: nope
09:23 PM BeachBumPete: but accurate and consistent
09:23 PM BeachBumPete: and a pure pleasure to shoot
09:28 PM Loetmichel: BeachBumPete: correct me if i am wrong: most pellet guns dont charge an air chamber when cocked and release said air when fired but rahter have a large piston at the end of the barrel that is pulled back against a spring and released on trigger?
09:28 PM Loetmichel: so that you dont have pressurized air anywhere until you fire it?
09:28 PM BeachBumPete: well actually there are quite a few different kinds of airguns
09:29 PM BeachBumPete: many are pre charged pneumatics
09:29 PM Loetmichel: not counting the ones that use a co2 cartridge for power
09:29 PM BeachBumPete: that use a 3k PSI air cylinder
09:29 PM BeachBumPete: that holds the charged air
09:29 PM BeachBumPete: some use a self regulating valve to meter small amounts of the air to each shot
09:29 PM BeachBumPete: some have precise regulators inside them that meter the air very precisely
09:30 PM BeachBumPete: then you have C02 guns that work similarly
09:30 PM Loetmichel: but the ones that are charged by folding the barrel or a side lever are the "piston kind" usually?
09:30 PM BeachBumPete: then there are the Spring piston powerplant airguns which use a large spring behind a piston/cylinder that ports at the front into the barrel
09:31 PM BeachBumPete: yeah usually
09:31 PM BeachBumPete: that is what I compete with
09:31 PM BeachBumPete: the HW97 and the RWS54 I am building are both spring piston airguns
09:31 PM Loetmichel: <. only had one airgun in his youth... waaaaay back then
09:32 PM BeachBumPete: one is a sidelever, the RWS54 and one is what is called an underlever the HW97
09:32 PM jdh: I had a pump and pump and pump daisy
09:32 PM jdh: err... crossman I guess
09:32 PM Loetmichel: and it was a "knicklauf" weirauch ;)
09:32 PM BeachBumPete: that is another kind actually
09:32 PM BeachBumPete: that is a multi stroke pneumatic
09:32 PM BeachBumPete: there are also single stroke pneumatics
09:32 PM BeachBumPete: but most of those are target guns that shoot around 500 fps and shot in competitons at 10 meters
09:33 PM jdh: how about Girandoni or wtf they had back then
09:33 PM BeachBumPete: girandoni was an amazing artist
09:34 PM BeachBumPete: he build some gorgeous airguns
09:34 PM BeachBumPete: some were capable of killing a deer or smaller game animal
09:34 PM BeachBumPete: all while being pumped up manually aside from the gun
09:34 PM BeachBumPete: incredible for the time period
09:35 PM BeachBumPete: http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/images/cantarini3-web.jpg Girandoni matched pair
09:54 PM Tom_L: hmm
11:11 PM Tom_L: BeachBumPete, on the topic of toolchanger.. you should also look at configs/sim/axis/remap
11:13 PM Tom_L: /extend-builtins