#linuxcnc Logs
Jul 31 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:36 AM XXCoder: great.
12:38 AM XXCoder: power issues here
12:38 AM XXCoder: lights flickering a little
02:04 AM IchGucksLive: morning
02:05 AM XXCoder: hey
02:05 AM IchGucksLive: germany now in full holiday mode
02:05 AM IchGucksLive: heat building up outside
02:06 AM IchGucksLive: hoping the rest of the harvest is taking place today
02:06 AM XXCoder: been hot here for a month though we are starting to enter main summer, wich means 90f or morebleh
02:06 AM XXCoder: I hate aug
02:06 AM IchGucksLive: aug is cool
02:07 AM IchGucksLive: all coming together comunity party all day
02:08 AM IchGucksLive: lots of foreners taking over the forest
02:08 AM IchGucksLive: missing ladys in the depth dark night
02:08 AM IchGucksLive: you can go at worst here 100miles without seeing a house
02:09 AM XXCoder: thats pretty short heh
02:09 AM IchGucksLive: there is a youth tent place with 500 girls here its a mess
02:09 AM XXCoder: at certain spot at calfornia, if you go east you can well go few ghundreds of miles with nothing but sand and road basically lol
02:11 AM IchGucksLive: tonight town provides astro service for the tentplace /campingground with 4telescopes as saturn moon and jupiter in range
02:11 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: yeah claifornia is huge
02:12 AM IchGucksLive: but i tthink only few will take the east jornie
02:12 AM XXCoder: the route goes across half of calfornia and half of state east to it. been a while so I cant remember what state that one is.
02:12 AM IchGucksLive: here 50+ a day like to cross the forest in 70km path
02:13 AM IchGucksLive: usally 10 per fay got lost but come out on ppoints thay not expected
02:14 AM IchGucksLive: some turn a second round in middle where no mobile contact is this is wear
02:14 AM IchGucksLive: ok i need to see the garden bye till ....
02:22 AM Deejay: moin
03:48 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhyaVqXiZI0
05:48 AM jthornton: morning
05:49 AM XXCoder: hey jthornton
05:50 AM jthornton: what's up
05:50 AM XXCoder: another branch of house power died
05:51 AM XXCoder: they're slumlords, they dont fix shit
05:52 AM jthornton: breaker went bad?
05:52 AM XXCoder: maybe, all switches seem ok and not tripped
05:52 AM Deejay: hey
05:53 AM jthornton: usually it's a neutral somewhere that came loose like in a light or outlet
05:53 AM XXCoder: yeah though it's clearly entire branch
05:53 AM XXCoder: ref don't work, restroom power plugs dont work, and garage dont work
05:54 AM XXCoder: new clickspring video!
06:13 AM jthornton: what's a clickspring?
06:13 AM XXCoder: the god
06:14 AM XXCoder: heh hes extremely skilled guy
06:14 AM XXCoder: a second
06:14 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCworsKCR-Sx6R6-BnIjS2MA
06:15 AM archivist: ratchet spring
06:25 AM jthornton: what was that tool he used to find the center of the punch mark?
06:25 AM XXCoder: jthornton: what I love about current series is that he covers possibilities on how machinist made mechinism back then
06:25 AM XXCoder: what time>?
06:26 AM XXCoder: for example in this video, what ancients used for blue we use nowdays.
06:27 AM archivist: on a lathe? a wiggler
06:27 AM jthornton: 5:09
06:27 AM XXCoder: ahh that thingy. arch knows
06:27 AM archivist: cant see youtube on this box anymore
06:28 AM XXCoder: archivist: its yhat weird pin that that spins around and guy centers it using pencil
06:28 AM XXCoder: and its now pointing very stright down
06:28 AM XXCoder: while spinning on mill
06:28 AM jthornton: 6:25 too
06:28 AM XXCoder: I saw myfordboy use it also
06:29 AM archivist: I am guessing http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STARRETT-CENTRE-FINDER-SET-Ref-S828HZ-in-original-box-/311923268029
06:29 AM XXCoder: might be it yeah about to upload a pic a sec
06:30 AM XXCoder: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_2017-07-31_03-58-27-5JTqHmKZ.png
06:30 AM XXCoder: hes strightening it with pencil in pic
06:30 AM archivist: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Engineers-combined-wobbler-centre-finder-Quality-tool-from-Groz-/112035125650
06:33 AM XXCoder: wow he used tape to protect gear on final removal of pins
06:33 AM XXCoder: making it nice and flat without damage
06:35 AM jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhtBdar4iVg
06:36 AM jthornton: archivist: the first link I think was the tool he used
06:36 AM XXCoder: never saw that type of dial indictor holdee
06:38 AM XXCoder: interesting
06:38 AM XXCoder: I wonder if ball one use work better than usual edge finder
06:41 AM XXCoder: man wish the clickspring videos were longer lol
06:41 AM XXCoder: now gonna wait couple weeks aw
06:41 AM jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK1Vk-AkD3U
06:43 AM XXCoder: perment marker "Fine Point" to aim it well lol
06:45 AM XXCoder: well night
10:20 AM Loetmichel: PCB routing by hand... it shows... anyways: FINALLY done with it... tomorrow i will mill the prototype and then stat programming the Mega8... on that account: /(!"§%&(§&(!"/§ I forgot to include a programmer plug... MAAAAN :-( http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16768&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
10:24 AM BeachBumPete: by hand??
10:24 AM Loetmichel: yes, wiothout an autorouter
10:25 AM BeachBumPete: we're not worthy!!!
10:29 AM Loetmichel: BeachBumPete: ehm... that little pcb could be done with about 50% less vias. but i lost patience to "unknot" that.
10:34 AM BeachBumPete: Man I worked my tail off in the yard yesterday and I got a too recommendation if you guys want to hear it ;)
10:35 AM BeachBumPete: tool recommendation
11:17 AM jdh: I outsource yard work
11:18 AM BeachBumPete: well so do I actually but this was more tree work LOL
11:18 AM BeachBumPete: QW358-
11:18 AM BeachBumPete: DOH
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel: tomorrow best day for CABRIO
11:56 AM * Loetmichel drove home open today... only a few drops... was nice ;)
11:58 AM IchGucksLive: that what all about
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: https://solsylva.com/cnc/gallery.shtml
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: cool cnc mashines low cost
12:01 PM Loetmichel: hmmm
12:01 PM Loetmichel: www.kaesefraese.de
12:02 PM Loetmichel: http://kaesefraese.com/ <- sorry
12:02 PM Loetmichel: thats the correct link
12:02 PM Loetmichel: sometimes cheap is TOO cheap
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: yes it is
12:03 PM IchGucksLive: if you spend 1500euros you also can go to 2000
12:03 PM IchGucksLive: this will give you a full mashine like sorotec cheepest
12:03 PM Deejay: machine
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: clouds are opening up i see blue sky outside
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: we did get a new telescope today i think i will make a astro night
12:09 PM Deejay: an
12:10 PM IchGucksLive: Deejay: im in school tomorrow and a new sweet 22 english teatcher is also
12:10 PM Deejay: teacher
12:10 PM Deejay: ^^
12:10 PM IchGucksLive: from australia
12:12 PM IchGucksLive: damm temp is rising like hell
12:12 PM Deejay: IchGucksLive, du sollst dich nicht von der lehrerin ablenken lassen, du sollst aufpassen! ;)
12:12 PM Deejay: 25°C
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: 28
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: Deejay: im as old or older then her grandfather
12:13 PM Deejay: hi grandpa ;)
12:14 PM IchGucksLive: :o
12:35 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: whow the boss himself what an onner
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: so from tomorrow the US will add one more City larger then 100k people to be build
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: BRC
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: hi BeachBumPete how is the routing
12:47 PM BeachBumPete: Hey ich!
12:47 PM BeachBumPete: its done my friend. I posted some pics of the inletting recently would you like to see them?
12:49 PM IchGucksLive: no need
12:51 PM BeachBumPete: https://www.harborfreight.com/95-in-7-amp-electric-pole-saw-62896.html I just bought this from Horrible Freight this weekend
12:51 PM BeachBumPete: my next door neighbor has one and he had been loaning me his to trim the palm trees on my property
12:52 PM BeachBumPete: I was so impressed with it that I decided to buy one for myself.
12:52 PM adamj12b: Hi everyone, Just found out about this group and figured I would stop by to get some advice on pncconf.
12:52 PM BeachBumPete: it REALLY works well and made short work of not only trimming the palm trees largely without a ladder assistance
12:53 PM LeelooMinai: BeachBumPete: I read that pam trees create pollen that can cause erectile disfunction.
12:53 PM IchGucksLive: adamj12b: go ahead
12:53 PM BeachBumPete: but I also just turned an entire nuisance tree on the side of the house into scrap
12:53 PM BeachBumPete: LeelooMinai hell no problems so far ;)
12:53 PM IchGucksLive: BeachBumPete: BIGBAD WOOD
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: adamj12b: what mesa do you got
12:54 PM adamj12b: Im am working on setting up a new conversion, and im trying to test spindle operation on the bench. When I do open loop test for the spindle, I do not get any analog output by toggeling the +/-
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: and what kind of mashie is to be running on it
12:54 PM adamj12b: BTW, I am using a mesa 5i25 and 7i77
12:55 PM BeachBumPete: that is what I have been using with great success
12:55 PM adamj12b: I am using analog output (5), the last one.
12:55 PM adamj12b: If I change the mapping around so that I have a servo on that output, I can modulate the output fine.
12:56 PM adamj12b: The enable function works as expected.
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: a standard VFD doe only take 10V
12:57 PM adamj12b: Correct.
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: do a MDI S1000 M3 for testing
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: not the +-
12:57 PM adamj12b: If I check the output with a DMM, I do not get a change when clicking the buttons.
12:57 PM BeachBumPete: M3 S1000?
12:58 PM BeachBumPete: so you have the field voltage into the 7i77
12:58 PM adamj12b: That was going to be my next step of running the profile. I have just been doing my testing in pncconf currently.
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: adamj12b: best is to go different as using PWM from a 7i77 pin and modulate the 12V from the VFD given to needed 0-10
12:59 PM adamj12b: Yes. the board is properly powered.
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: adamj12b: like one of this http://www.ebay.com/itm/PWM-0-10V-Digital-to-Analog-Signal-Tranformer-Converter-Board-MACH3-PLC-/201671208132
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: it has a ground shield so 7i77 and vfd are shilöded
01:03 PM IchGucksLive: adamj12b: what vfd you got
01:04 PM pcw_mesa: often this is a scaling issue in the hal file
01:04 PM adamj12b: Sorry for the delay. Emerson HSK 7.5HP
01:04 PM adamj12b: Controlling the drive isnt an issue when testing as a servo axis.
01:05 PM BeachBumPete: are you not using the spindle outputs?
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: adamj12b: can you upload the HAL file to paste service so we can look into it
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: https://pastebin.com/
01:06 PM pcw_mesa: the analog 5 maxscale and maxlimit values should be spindle RPM at 10V
01:06 PM adamj12b: When I set the last output on the 7i77 as a servo, and not a spindle, I can click the + in openloop test and spin the motor. with proper vfd terminals jumped out for direction.
01:07 PM adamj12b: I will get the .hal when I get back to the machine.
01:08 PM IchGucksLive: ok
01:08 PM IchGucksLive: NP
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: adamj12b: loadrt abs count=1
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: loadrt scale count=1
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: addf scale.0 servo-thread
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: addf abs.0 servo-thread
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: setp scale.0.gain 0.002
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: net spindle-speed-scale motion.spindle-speed-out => abs.0.in
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: net positive-only-spindle-speed-cmd abs.0.out => scale.0.in
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: net spindle-speed-DAC scale.0.out => hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.7i77.0.1.analogout5
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: it shoudt look like this
01:09 PM adamj12b: I have been testing as I go. open loop servo control works, as well as encoder feedback.
01:09 PM adamj12b: I will copy that down and report back tonight.
01:12 PM IchGucksLive: adamj12b: you can put your MIN MAX also into the INI
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: like https://forum.linuxcnc.org/49-basic-configuration/28276-mesa-5i25-7i77-0-10v-spindle-output-dual-spindles?start=10#50414
01:16 PM IchGucksLive: im off GN8 from Europ
01:24 PM FinboySlick: BeachBumPete: Yo pete, long time no see.
01:24 PM FinboySlick: Or long time no noticed anyway.
01:25 PM BeachBumPete: Hey man howzitgoin?
01:25 PM FinboySlick: You know that house I said I'd eventually build so I could have a proper floor for my mill? Well, I'm building it.
01:25 PM BeachBumPete: thats great man
01:26 PM BeachBumPete: I'm at home today :(
01:26 PM FinboySlick: The way it's getting delayed, I'll be putting sidings at -30°C in febuary :P
01:26 PM BeachBumPete: managed to hurt my heel on my foot when I was working in the yard this weekend.
01:27 PM FinboySlick: BeachBumPete: Please tell me it was a 3-stooges rake scene.
01:27 PM BeachBumPete: Har d HAr har
01:28 PM BeachBumPete: actually not sure how I did it. All I know is after I finished cutting down that tree and loading everything into the front yard for pickup I came in had dinner and it started hurting pretty good
01:29 PM FinboySlick: You didn't break it, did you? My mother broke her heel in a car accident once and it was pretty difficult for her.
01:29 PM SpeedEvil: BeachBumPete: I hop you get better.
01:29 PM FinboySlick: SpeedEvil: Tell me you meant that pun ;)
01:29 PM SpeedEvil: Of course.
01:30 PM BeachBumPete: we got us a bunch of commodians here today ;)
01:31 PM FinboySlick: BeachBumPete: The way you inspired us is quite a feet.
01:31 PM BeachBumPete: I don't think I broke anything
01:31 PM BeachBumPete: it just really hurt last night and today but it seems to be getting better
01:32 PM BeachBumPete: I have an entire kitchen to install at work so I thought there is no way I can lift and move the cabinets by myself with it so I called in this morning.
01:33 PM FinboySlick: Oh sure, let the customer foot that bill.
01:33 PM BeachBumPete: I am going to try to get some work done on the CNC lathe here instead
01:33 PM BeachBumPete: hehehe
01:33 PM FinboySlick: Getting rid of your latheless condition, one part at a time.
01:34 PM FinboySlick: ... or one injury at a time in this case.
01:34 PM BeachBumPete: tryin to
01:34 PM BeachBumPete: I had been working on my CNC router program to inlet my airgun rifle stock but that is completely done now just gotta finish shaping the stock
01:34 PM FinboySlick: ... speaking of pipe-dreams. You guys seen the new metal printing startup that's got everyone excited this morning?
01:35 PM BeachBumPete: whaddya mean pipe dream smartass LOL
01:35 PM FinboySlick: They got the ink-cartridge-racket thing set from the get-go.
01:40 PM BeachBumPete: man I swear I cannot believe what boat prices have gotten to nowadays. I mean a nice boat has never been really cheap but now its just insanity....
01:43 PM jdh: $200k will still get a dwcent smaller noat
01:43 PM jdh: 2nf tier anyway
01:43 PM BeachBumPete: LOL you say that like that is reasonable
01:44 PM BeachBumPete: one of the guys I work with just bought a 34 foot sort of go fast/open fishermen boat that is a total project boat. He is planning to refinish and refiberglass the whole thing.
01:45 PM BeachBumPete: he got a great deal on it and it actually runs apparently
01:45 PM jdh: plenty og 30ft boats with trip/quad yammies here
01:45 PM BeachBumPete: but he was talking about what it will be worth AFTER he is finished with it
01:45 PM BeachBumPete: I was like NO WAY
01:45 PM BeachBumPete: then I started looking at 34 foot similar boats and he is not far off LOL
01:46 PM jdh: real boats more than that
01:46 PM BeachBumPete: just a new power package with say twin 200's is like 40k
01:46 PM FinboySlick: The drug-dealer kind of luxury ;)
01:46 PM BeachBumPete: there are lots of really nice new similar boats out there well in excess of $150k
01:46 PM BeachBumPete: newer I meant
01:47 PM jdh: 2nd tier mfg for 150
01:47 PM BeachBumPete: I remember when that much cash could buy a much larger cruiser used.
01:48 PM BeachBumPete: something interesting as well is the side effect of it
01:49 PM BeachBumPete: there seems to be a lot of people renovating and restoring some of the nicer boats from older makes like Fountain, Checkmate, sonic, and other similar boats
01:51 PM BeachBumPete: the guy I work with kinda did that as well he has a beutiful 26 foot open fishermen he bought used and redid the hull and repowered it very nice boat.
01:55 PM jdh: white yammies are $2k extra
01:59 PM BeachBumPete: heh no surprise there
01:59 PM BeachBumPete: not taking anything away Yamaha makes great motors
02:00 PM jdh: sure. and nice white paint obvs
02:00 PM jdh: next time you see white ones....
02:00 PM BeachBumPete: I would like to buy a nice used boat for a project here
02:01 PM jdh: buy mine
02:01 PM BeachBumPete: would love a 25+
02:01 PM FinboySlick: "A boat is a hole in the water and you fill it with money."
02:01 PM BeachBumPete: I need to trade my astro van in for a fullsize 4x4 van first tho
02:01 PM BeachBumPete: BOAT= BUST OUT ANOTHER THOUSAND :)
02:03 PM jdh: I have a 25' SeaCat
02:03 PM jdh: for sale
02:03 PM BeachBumPete: NICE
02:04 PM BeachBumPete: are you planning to upgrade?
02:04 PM jdh: down
02:04 PM jdh: 17ft something
02:06 PM BeachBumPete: I just want something big enough to take offshore without scaring the kids hehe
02:06 PM FinboySlick: BeachBumPete: Rent, it's the sensible thing to do.
02:06 PM BeachBumPete: FinboySlick ya know you would think so
02:07 PM BeachBumPete: but you would not believe what places get to rent a boat for a day now
02:07 PM jdh: I take mine 40+ miles out here
02:07 PM BeachBumPete: jdh yeah but its a nice big boat ;)
02:08 PM FinboySlick: BeachBumPete: I'd be curious to see how much the 'per hour of use' value is in both cases.
02:08 PM jdh: nah. a 45' Ocean is a nice big boat
02:11 PM BeachBumPete: jdh well sure
02:12 PM BeachBumPete: but a 25' sea cat is more than enough really unless it is just real shitty out. which I stay home then anyways
02:12 PM BeachBumPete: some of the guys I work with went out for the mini season and got some nice bugs
02:12 PM jdh: yep. cuts through chop great
02:13 PM jdh: how many mini season deaths this year
02:13 PM BeachBumPete: https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/boa/d/seavee/6236055333.html case in point...
02:14 PM BeachBumPete: 8 years old 800 engine hours, and they STILL want 150k for it...
02:15 PM jdh: buy it!
02:15 PM BeachBumPete: yeah right
02:15 PM BeachBumPete: that is insane
02:15 PM FinboySlick: BeachBumPete: "propulsion type: power" Why do I picture Terry Crews popping out of the engine?
02:15 PM BeachBumPete: just imagine what a "NEW" one would run
02:15 PM BeachBumPete: hehehe
02:15 PM BeachBumPete: I love that guy he's hilarious
02:15 PM jdh: anyone in richmond?
02:16 PM FinboySlick: BeachBumPete: Apparently, he's very fond of video games too.
02:16 PM FinboySlick: Goes to gaming conventions and has a souped up PC and everything.
02:16 PM BeachBumPete: you use your subie to pull it?
02:16 PM BeachBumPete: FinboySlick I would not be surprised by that at all
02:18 PM jdh: I only tow once a year
02:18 PM BeachBumPete: dry storage?
02:18 PM jdh: wet
02:18 PM BeachBumPete: ah
02:19 PM jdh: jump im and go
02:19 PM BeachBumPete: https://treasure.craigslist.org/boa/d/twin-vee/6236646950.html similar to yours?
02:20 PM _methods: is that dexter's boat
02:20 PM BeachBumPete: hard to believe a hull and some electronics with no motors would cost that much
02:20 PM jdh: no. twin vee is short & lightweight
02:21 PM jdh: dexters boat sold in the last year or so
02:22 PM BeachBumPete: who is dexter?
02:22 PM jdh: sofla guy
02:23 PM jdh: teevee show
02:23 PM BeachBumPete: huh never seen it
02:23 PM jdh: good for the whole family
02:31 PM _methods: good family show
02:31 PM _methods: lol
02:32 PM BeachBumPete: hey methods
02:32 PM _methods: yo
02:32 PM BeachBumPete: how are ya
02:33 PM _methods: good....as you can be on a monday
02:33 PM BeachBumPete: I hear ya
02:33 PM BeachBumPete: playin' hookie here hurt my paw yesterday LOL
02:33 PM _methods: jdh: so they sold dexters boat?
02:33 PM _methods: how much did it go for
02:33 PM _methods: BeachBumPete: hurt your paw?
02:34 PM _methods: you step on a corona cap heheh
02:34 PM BeachBumPete: yeah well my foot/heel
02:34 PM BeachBumPete: feels like it
02:34 PM _methods: how you get hurt layin under a palm tree on the beach
02:34 PM BeachBumPete: had to cut down a good sized tree from my yard and haul it out front
02:34 PM BeachBumPete: not sure how I hurt it actually but it hurts pretty good hehe
02:35 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
02:35 PM _methods: nothing worse than getting hurt
02:35 PM jdh: don't recall. it was old. 2 stroked
02:35 PM _methods: except bein sick
02:38 PM BeachBumPete: yeah it sucks I am losing hours at work
02:39 PM _methods: ouch
02:39 PM BeachBumPete: had my first empenada this weekend. Pretty damn good!!
02:42 PM _methods: oh yeah i love those things
02:43 PM _methods: i need to move down there
02:43 PM Tom_itx: weekend war storries...
02:43 PM BeachBumPete: _methods come on down man the waters warm ;)
02:43 PM _methods: you got gigabit internet down there?
02:43 PM BeachBumPete: well at least until the tropical storm goes by LOL
02:43 PM * FinboySlick looks up empenada.
02:44 PM FinboySlick: It looks like the British trying to invent the taco.
02:44 PM BeachBumPete: I dunno we have comcast and I got the middle tier but its fast enough for me LOL
02:44 PM BeachBumPete: british?
02:44 PM _methods: i was thinking about moving more down towards homestead and the keys
02:44 PM BeachBumPete: I thought it was from South America?
02:44 PM FinboySlick: Yeah. They put all the meats in pie crusts.
02:45 PM FinboySlick: Or they boil stuff.
02:45 PM FinboySlick: But I was referring to the former in this case.
02:45 PM BeachBumPete: _methods I would not mind the keys but homestead/MIami is just nutz anymore
02:45 PM BeachBumPete: ya mean like Sweenie todd?
02:45 PM _methods: oh yeah?
02:45 PM FinboySlick: Exactly ;)
02:45 PM _methods: what's wrong with homestead/miami
02:46 PM _methods: i was also thinking maybe naples
02:46 PM BeachBumPete: well if you have been there years ago
02:46 PM BeachBumPete: its the same...
02:46 PM BeachBumPete: only MORE
02:46 PM BeachBumPete: hehehe
02:46 PM BeachBumPete: Naples would be nice
02:46 PM _methods: gotcha getting busy
02:46 PM BeachBumPete: and honestly that area was hit harder by the crash
02:46 PM FinboySlick: BeachBumPete: I was about to say... When has Miami not been nuts?
02:46 PM _methods: yeah naples looks a little less built up
02:46 PM BeachBumPete: so buying a home there should be a slam dunk if you have a way to make a good living
02:47 PM _methods: homestead or naples?
02:47 PM BeachBumPete: FinboySlick when I was growing up it was really cool
02:47 PM BeachBumPete: like when Miami vice was on TV LOL
02:47 PM BeachBumPete: we used to cruise down there a lot
02:47 PM FinboySlick: BeachBumPete: It was just the permanent cloud of cocaine getting to your young head.
02:47 PM BeachBumPete: FinboySlick LOL contact high maybe
02:48 PM BeachBumPete: its a shame because it was a really nice place
02:48 PM BeachBumPete: even Boca and farther north are getting kinda crazy now too
02:48 PM FinboySlick: They have smog in LA, in Miami, they have white-smog.
02:48 PM BeachBumPete: unless you have big bucks where you can afford to buy in a secure gated beach area community
02:50 PM BeachBumPete: Still even tho it is crazy its still a great place to party and whatnot. We went down there a couple weeks back to have dinner etc.
02:53 PM _methods: down where?
02:54 PM BeachBumPete: miami
02:54 PM _methods: ahh k
03:05 PM _methods: https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/07/facebook-discontinues-ai-bots-that-developed-a-new-language.html
03:05 PM _methods: skynet
03:28 PM adamj12b: Well its good that they shut it down...
03:29 PM FinboySlick: The computerphile youtube channel has a really cool series on the ethics and dangers of general AI. It really helped me understand the issue a lot more.
03:30 PM FinboySlick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYT1QfdfsM
03:56 PM MrHindsight: _methods: I would have left it running. What's it going to do crawl off the servers and into the interwebs?
03:57 PM FinboySlick: To become dangerous, AI need to develop a model of our physical reality. That's pretty far off still.
03:58 PM MrHindsight: I would have given them robot arms and hammers as well
03:58 PM _methods: heheh
03:58 PM XXCoder: chinese make and cheapness means they will break arm if they try to shoot a gun or punch
03:58 PM MrHindsight: have them control som bots in a cage
03:59 PM MrHindsight: see if it's just like "the real world", "big brother", oval office etc
03:59 PM FinboySlick: You guys seen 'Ex-Machina'?
04:00 PM MrHindsight: yeah, he needed killin
04:00 PM FinboySlick: My point is more along the lines of a real AI would find a way to survive since that's implicit to its utility function.
04:01 PM MrHindsight: AI is the new hype, the last one was 3D printing
04:01 PM FinboySlick: MrHindsight: Get ahead of the curve, combine the two and make billions in venture capital.
04:01 PM MrHindsight: a bit of a ways off and mostly the wrong people working on it
04:01 PM XXCoder: https://what-if.xkcd.com/5/ revelant
04:02 PM MrHindsight: most of all the AI I hear about is not AI
04:02 PM MrHindsight: and it's written worse than something you'd find by M$
04:03 PM FinboySlick: MrHindsight: Well, the point of AI is that it writes itself.
04:03 PM MrHindsight: http://www.gartner.com/technology/research/methodologies/hype-cycle.jsp
04:04 PM MrHindsight: S.I.S.O
04:05 PM MrHindsight: http://blogs.gartner.com/smarterwithgartner/files/2016/11/Hype-Cycle-for-the-Internet-of-Things-2016_Infographic-01.png
04:07 PM MrHindsight: intelligent people can write good code but they are generally not allowed since they are driven by managers
04:08 PM MrHindsight: that don't value good code, but code that passes inspection when observed by the customer and is under budget
04:08 PM MrHindsight: http://www.webcourseworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/2017_hype.png
04:09 PM MrHindsight: stupid in stupid out
04:11 PM Deejay: gn8
04:17 PM MrHindsight: what i find more interesting is that simple scripts can replace most bankers and traders
04:34 PM FinboySlick: MrHindsight: Lawyers too :)
04:34 PM FinboySlick: It's going to be ugly when the real lawyers start fighting for their jobs.
04:34 PM FinboySlick: That said, my job here is done, off to catch up on TV shows.
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04:38 PM MrHindsight: http://www.pbclinear.com/Videos/Plain-Bearings-and-the-21-Rule
05:01 PM Tom_itx: MrHindsight, what's the cost ratio between the good the bad and the ugly?
05:05 PM MrHindsight: are we talking cars, machines or wives?
05:05 PM Tom_itx: linear slides
05:21 PM MrHindsight: Tom_itx: you typically get what you pay for, the trick for many is knowing the application and picking the best bearing that suits the application
05:22 PM MrHindsight: but how many people besides paid engenders do that?
05:22 PM MrHindsight: engenders/engineers
05:23 PM MrHindsight: force, moments, loads, directions, friction, temperature, number of cycles or distance
05:23 PM MrHindsight: those are lots of numbers
05:23 PM MrHindsight: numbers can make the brain hurt
05:23 PM archivist: fully supported or a spring bar
05:24 PM MrHindsight: i was looking for a profile bearing that can reach 500C
05:25 PM archivist: protect /cool it so you can use any old one
05:25 PM MrHindsight: low speed, small size, near zero load
05:26 PM archivist: plain bearings dont forget plain bearings
05:28 PM MrHindsight: trying to avoid plain bearimgs since I can't have any radial movement around a shaft
05:28 PM MrHindsight: so it means 2x shafts and bearings
05:29 PM archivist: use a kinematic bearing with a spring for contact/removal of play
05:32 PM archivist: one of my travelling microscopes has that
05:32 PM archivist: http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_09_03_travelling_microscope/IMG_1658.JPG
05:33 PM MrHindsight: huh found some skate bearings for 500F max
05:33 PM archivist: V for front bar, flat at rear
05:35 PM sync: ceramic bearings will do that just fine, you can preload them axially as well
05:35 PM sync: or get a dual row one
05:44 PM MrHindsight: yeah was trying to avoid having several roller bearings but...
06:03 PM MrHindsight: only $9ea not too bad good to ~250C
06:12 PM andypugh: SKF say you can go to 350C http://www.skf.com/uk/products/bearings-units-housings/engineered-products/high-temperature-bearings/index.html?=177463574760&keyword=high%20temperature%20bearings&matchtype=b
06:16 PM andypugh: 1300C here: https://www.lily-bearing.com/ceramic-bearings/applications-ceramic-bearings/high-temperature/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2OXz_Mu01QIVTrftCh1ZAQJHEAAYAiAAEgL-5PD_BwE
06:18 PM MrHindsight: these are stainless with zircon balls
06:18 PM MrHindsight: not bad for $9ea
06:26 PM Valen: How would one go about creating jog speed shortcuts, IE press key "$x" and have jog speed set to 15mm/minute $y and its 300
06:27 PM Valen: it looks like hacking on tcl is the way but that seems over the top really
06:28 PM JT-Shop: you can change the Axis keyboard shortcuts in the .axisrc file
06:33 PM dioz: i can't understand people anymore
06:33 PM dioz: so i had to install an exhaust fan in a janitor closet today
06:33 PM dioz: so i got the electrician to coordinate the hookup of the fan
06:33 PM dioz: i showed him where i was going to hang it
06:33 PM dioz: showed him where the wires enter the unit
06:34 PM dioz: i informed him that i can wait for him to connect the wires cause once i hang it he won't have access to the wire hole on the top of the unit
06:34 PM dioz: he told me it was no big deal and to hang the unit
06:34 PM dioz: so i hung that fucker
06:34 PM dioz: i'm about to leave
06:34 PM dioz: and he comes in "i didn't know you were hanging it there"
06:35 PM dioz: i said "you're a fucking liar. i told you exactly where i was going to hang it. i told you exactly where the wires enter the unit. i had the unit completely apart and you told me to just hang it and you'd deal with it... now you want me to take it down?"
06:35 PM dioz: he says "yes, i need to run the wires"
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06:36 PM dioz: i was livid
06:36 PM dioz: he's like "oh sorry man"
06:36 PM dioz: i just don't get it anymore. i don't understand why people are so fucking stupid
06:38 PM dioz: resulted in taking 2 times the amount of effort and time to hang a single fucking fan
06:39 PM dioz: </rage>
06:48 PM BeachBumPete: http://imgur.com/a/72f5p Starting to take shape!! :)
06:55 PM DaViruz: really like that lamination
06:55 PM BeachBumPete: thanks man I like it too. It should look really good once it is completed and I start rubbing in the oil
06:56 PM BeachBumPete: Still LOTS of work to do before that happens tho
06:56 PM BeachBumPete: I have to figure out what I am going to do with the foreend and the whole other side as well as finishing the trigger well area. It is also STILL very thick and chunky which will not fly in the finished product.
08:29 PM Tom_itx: Valen could you do that like you do when setting the jog speeds on a pendant?
08:32 PM Valen: No idea Tom_itx
08:32 PM Valen: I'll have to have a look at it all a bit more
08:32 PM Tom_itx: would seting the feedrate do it?
08:32 PM Tom_itx: maybe call a ngc file with a button that sets the feedrate
08:32 PM Valen: probably not, you normally want a pretty huge range
08:32 PM Tom_itx: maybe not the same thing
08:33 PM Valen: like you want to go from 2000mm/minute to .1 or so
08:36 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
08:36 PM Tom_L: have a look at my_jog.hal
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08:36 PM Tom_L: done with buttons there but could be soft buttons just as easy i think
08:37 PM Tom_L: mux3 sets the scale
08:38 PM Tom_L: you could use different scale values there
08:40 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant/pendant2.jpg
08:40 PM Tom_L: that's what i use the code on
08:40 PM Tom_L: the axis select and 'speed' would be what you want
08:41 PM Tom_L: i think it's a percentage of 'max velocity' but i'm not positive
08:47 PM MrHindsight: what's the thinking behind having to press a button after selecting the axis on a pendant?
08:47 PM Tom_itx: i don't
08:47 PM MrHindsight: i find it annoying when I'm in a hurry
08:47 PM Tom_itx: if i don't want any active axis i move the switch to a non used position
08:48 PM MrHindsight: yeah that makes sense
08:48 PM Tom_itx: the 'OFF' position or A for that matter right now would basically be off too
08:48 PM MrHindsight: but if you select and axis, yeah i want that axis
08:49 PM MrHindsight: are people rotating the dial to generate pulses while changing axis or something?
08:49 PM Tom_itx: windows philosophy: are you really sure??? ; linux philosophy: you said it, it's done...
08:49 PM Tom_itx: the MPG generates the pulses yes
08:50 PM Tom_itx: 100 ppr
08:50 PM Tom_itx: the selector is set prior to turning the MPG
08:51 PM MrHindsight: sure but is the extra step of having to press a button there to stop you from doing both at the same time?
08:51 PM Tom_itx: it's one of the handiest things i've done to the mill
08:51 PM MrHindsight: slecting an axis while rotating the dial
08:51 PM Tom_itx: it just switches axis :)
08:51 PM Tom_itx: it's really quite handy when you wanna get done
08:51 PM MrHindsight: yeah that makes sense
08:52 PM MrHindsight: i hate the ones with an extra step
08:52 PM Tom_itx: that's why i made my own
08:52 PM Tom_itx: it could be fancied up with a LCD etc but it's quite functional
08:52 PM MrHindsight: I've moved the wrong axis at times when i forgot to press the $@#^&*% button again
08:53 PM Tom_itx: a quick glance at the axis selector is all i do
08:53 PM MrHindsight: i thinks it's done just to annoy people
08:53 PM Tom_itx: i suppose you could have some feedback to the screen showing the active axis but generally i'm not looking at the screen when jogging anyway
08:55 PM Tom_itx: monitor the state of the axis input pins from the pendant and display them
08:56 PM MrHindsight: or like yours, have a knob with a very clear indicator to select the axis you want to move
08:56 PM Tom_itx: MrBusiness i see that as a non-productive feature
08:57 PM Tom_itx: (the extra button)
08:58 PM MrHindsight: it's too remind you not to hurry, you might forget the extra unnecessary step
09:01 PM Tom_itx: that was the first try at engraving so i kinda did a test on depth while i was making it. looking back i wish i'd have used the deeper cut on all of it
09:01 PM Tom_itx: sprayed it with black paint and rubbed it off so it was more visible
09:28 PM Tom_itx: if you had a fancy LCD on your pendant, you could use a single button to select the axis and display the active one on it.
09:31 PM Tom_itx: holy crap. i've never seen digikey down
09:32 PM Tom_itx: https://www.digikey.com/
09:33 PM Tom_itx: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Alpha-Taiwan/SR2612F-0112-21R0B-D8-N/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduiRmi%252bpmCEJFfagxTG4AP4JMYUE6Mj%252b%252b1RdAj4u9mS4wT%252bLRrKlDEkD
09:33 PM adamj12b_: WOW. just a static image...
09:33 PM Tom_itx: i used that on both selectors
09:34 PM Tom_itx: comes with stops so you can set how many positions you need
09:35 PM adamj12b_: How do you adjust the stops?
09:35 PM adamj12b_: Good price too.
09:35 PM Tom_itx: i can't remember but i think there's a pin or something you move
09:36 PM Tom_itx: with a locator pin
09:36 PM Tom_itx: if you look you can see a hole beside each one on mine for that
09:37 PM Tom_itx: http://www.taiwanalpha.com/english/p_e_145.htm
09:51 PM MrHindsight: Tom_itx: it's usually only down at 7:45pm on a night I need something
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