#linuxcnc Logs

Jul 27 2017

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:47 AM LeelooMinai: Hmm, there's a mysterious little plastic box on the outside of my house - no idea what it is. Has "neptune" on it.
12:49 AM LeelooMinai: Maybe someone knows: http://i.imgur.com/uUIsHMp.png
12:49 AM SpeedEvil: outside where, scale
12:49 AM LeelooMinai: On the wall - it's about, I don't know 10 cm long.
12:49 AM SpeedEvil: could be temperature sensor for heating
12:49 AM LeelooMinai: About 1m above the fround.
12:49 AM LeelooMinai: ground*
12:50 AM archivist: follow the wire
12:50 AM SpeedEvil: cut it and see who /what complains.
12:50 AM LeelooMinai: Right, it's kind if inside ther wall.
12:50 AM SpeedEvil: do you have a heat pump
12:51 AM CaptHindsight: would be funny if the wire just goes in a circle
12:51 AM LeelooMinai: I have gas water heater and gas furnace.
12:51 AM CaptHindsight: left by some contractor with a sense of humor
12:52 AM SpeedEvil: CO sensor could in principle be
12:52 AM skullworks: CO - on the outside?
12:53 AM SpeedEvil: I doubt it indeed.
12:53 AM nullifier: it would be the sender for your water meter.
12:53 AM nullifier: no need to panic
12:55 AM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I need to use my supernatural google skills to find that company first.
12:56 AM skullworks: Long ago there was a game show - The Liars club - they would have some gizmo and 4 people would tell you some wild story about what the thing was supposed to do, only 1 was the truth.
12:56 AM LeelooMinai: http://www.trademarkia.com/n-78761318.html
12:56 AM LeelooMinai: I tracked the logo shape.
12:57 AM LeelooMinai: Utility meters, ok... but that's kind of vague.
12:57 AM roycroft: if the box says "neptune" i'd assume it's a monitor for rising sea level
12:57 AM SpeedEvil: How is it kind of vague
12:58 AM SpeedEvil: look at your utility bills.
12:58 AM skullworks: Its measuring the moons tidal gravatation forces on the building.
12:58 AM LeelooMinai: SpeedEvil: What is that sensor then...
12:58 AM roycroft: it's a global climate change alert
12:58 AM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0b66Jjqg2M The Liar's Club (1969)--Rod Serling as a game show host
12:58 AM SpeedEvil: LeelooMinai: likely an antenna
12:58 AM archivist: it is a pixie detector
12:59 AM roycroft: would it detect pixies directly, or would it alert on the presence of pixie dust?
01:00 AM CaptHindsight: http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mZfM9IbK2VY7fLozsrvKKUg.jpg
01:00 AM CaptHindsight: who guess water meter antenna??
01:00 AM CaptHindsight: $100
01:00 AM LeelooMinai: Hmm, maye some old version of those? https://www.neptunetg.com/products/endpoints-mius/
01:00 AM CaptHindsight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Neptune-T-10-Water-Meter-ARB-VI-ProRead-Touch-Read-Remote-Receptacle-/301951178833
01:01 AM LeelooMinai: Ok, so outside port for utility dudes/
01:02 AM LeelooMinai: I wonder what pro read encoder is...
01:03 AM LeelooMinai: Coil attachments - so probably lsome close distance RF coupling.
01:03 AM LeelooMinai: Or inductive rather
01:04 AM CaptHindsight: but I'm still going with pixie detector
01:04 AM LeelooMinai: I guess I better leave this thing in place then - though some idiot attached it to the aluminum siding with... steel staples....
01:05 AM roycroft: if it were to fall off or disappear the utility would have to come out and read the meter manually
01:05 AM LeelooMinai: And now they rusted and the cable is cut in places where they were partially - the outer plastic shell.
01:05 AM roycroft: like they've done for over a century
01:07 AM CaptHindsight: they eventually stalk you outside your door
01:07 AM CaptHindsight: just a hunch
01:07 AM LeelooMinai: I wonder if one could hack this thing and give them wrong results.
01:07 AM skullworks: my electric meter has a transceiver built in they never come near the place.
01:08 AM CaptHindsight: until it mysteriously stops sending
01:08 AM roycroft: my local power/water/sewer utility want to start using remote read power meters
01:08 AM roycroft: we're giving them a lot of pushback
01:08 AM roycroft: and they've delayed even the trial deployment several times
01:08 AM skullworks: it also allows them to power off certain Energy star rated units remotely.
01:09 AM roycroft: fortunately it's a public utility, not a private corporation
01:09 AM LeelooMinai: And power off your TV if they detect it's plasma.
01:10 AM skullworks: Plasma don't survive well here.
01:10 AM skullworks: Above 5000Ft they fail quickly
01:11 AM skullworks: I'm at about 6100ft
01:11 AM roycroft: build a basement and put your home theatre in it
01:11 AM LeelooMinai: Due to pressure?
01:11 AM roycroft: make it a really deep basement
01:11 AM LeelooMinai: I guess they presseruse them at normal levels...
01:12 AM skullworks: hm - just put a tap in the wall - who needs a well pump.
01:13 AM LeelooMinai: English pronunciation sucks...
01:13 AM * skullworks needs a really big basement, so his private shooting range won't get covered in snow...
01:13 AM LeelooMinai: I thought that bugle is proinounced like bungie, but of course not. Why? WHo knows why.
01:14 AM skullworks: English is the only language I know that had to create a technical sub-language to describe how it functions.
01:15 AM LeelooMinai: Or does not function.
01:15 AM skullworks: Beware of the object of the adverbeal prepositional phase....
01:16 AM CaptHindsight: like perfect paticiples and impersonal pronouns ?
01:16 AM skullworks: phrase
01:16 AM skullworks: sure
01:17 AM skullworks: then we have the multi forms of "there | Their "
01:17 AM CaptHindsight: I am, I be, I is, I are, I were, I was, I will etc
01:18 AM CaptHindsight: too confusing to me
01:19 AM skullworks: I got 2 "F's" in high School English, then I got to college and was the most literate person in most my classes. That was truely scary.
01:19 AM CaptHindsight: lots of words mean the same thing so why the redundancy and yet we don't have words for things commonly used in other languages
01:20 AM CaptHindsight: like there's no Enlish word for when you get up and you are thirsty but you just had that dream again about the flying nuns that were on fire
01:21 AM skullworks: When I go to a Burger King in Mexico, I still don't know what to ask for as a "cup holder"
01:22 AM skullworks: Ah - but the english language hi-jacks words from other languages and adds them to the "English" dictionary.
01:22 AM skullworks: Cul-de-sac
01:23 AM skullworks: rendezvous
01:23 AM CaptHindsight: thats the French, it's their fault
01:24 AM CaptHindsight: they have like a different word for everything
01:24 AM skullworks: yes - but we failed to come up with anything better.
01:25 AM skullworks: Latrine - yeah that does sound like some small muddy french town
01:25 AM skullworks: but no...
01:25 AM archivist: french struggle with counting and they hate english words le weekend
01:26 AM CaptHindsight: well at least we don't just glue words together like the Germans
01:26 AM LeelooMinai: Hmm, not sure if this is a sane idea, but, I have old planks on the deck and my mom complains that there are cracks, etc., but new ones are too expensive to buy. What if I somehow got the huge nails out and turned them over?
01:26 AM archivist: what! gluewordstogetherlikegermans
01:27 AM CaptHindsight: that should be the word for it
01:28 AM archivist: LeelooMinai, cracks are less of a problem than rot
01:28 AM skullworks: I had to drop German in College - I was taking 21 units, and a foreign language + physics + metalurgy in the same semester was just too much for my gray matter to absorb.
01:28 AM LeelooMinai: archivist: Well, my mom does not like them. You think underside can be rotten?
01:29 AM Wolf_: german is fun… I got a crash course in how crazy it can be when I was trying to hack my VW
01:29 AM CaptHindsight: apparently I was fluent as a young child
01:29 AM skullworks: can you buy water proof wood patch putty and just fill some of the cracks?
01:30 AM CaptHindsight: now i can barely understand it
01:30 AM Wolf_: wood is probably split all the way through, plus if it was installed with proper deck nails, you are going to destroy them trying to pull them up
01:30 AM archivist: LeelooMinai, you will only know after you remove a few or jump up and down on them and fall through
01:30 AM CaptHindsight: unless it somehow involves a dupa or something dumb
01:31 AM LeelooMinai: Right, I was wondering if it's even possible to take those nails off in a reasonable way.
01:31 AM archivist: 98 in french quatre-vingt-dix-huit 4 20's ten eight
01:32 AM archivist: for a country that came up with metric it is a bit sad
01:32 AM Wolf_: heh, my mom was explaining that to me last week, french numbers = math problems
01:33 AM skullworks: I liked working on the old buses - 1 13mm bolt, yank that Bosche 09 distributer out, replace the points and condensor in your lawn chair, set the dwell with a good Vohm meter, pop it back into place, fire it up and give it a little twist to get the timing right, then, just to prove your damn good, us a timing light to show your within 2° of factory spec.
01:33 AM LeelooMinai: Hmm, looks like GOP failed with "repeal & replace" of Obamacare... again.
01:34 AM skullworks: GOP - too many egos fighting for there own unique version.
01:35 AM LeelooMinai: I think Trump wants it gone because of its name and has no idea about any details.
01:35 AM skullworks: I feel safe - with both sides fighting over trivialities neither is in a position to really do any harm.
01:35 AM LeelooMinai: Well, actually, almost no one seems to even parse all the versions of it.
01:36 AM nullifier: Even the original was 1136 pages...
01:36 AM LeelooMinai: As it's "secret" - kind of ridiculous how those people "work" there.
01:36 AM nullifier: So, let me know when you kick back and have at 'er.
01:36 AM nullifier: I'll send pizza
01:36 AM nullifier: and cyanide
01:36 AM skullworks: I'd like to know how those old Romans did math...
01:37 AM nullifier: with an abacus
01:37 AM nullifier: and later a sliderule
01:37 AM archivist: or cuts on sticks
01:37 AM archivist: or clay
01:37 AM nullifier: petrified turds.
01:38 AM skullworks: (thats what they had slaves for?)
01:38 AM LeelooMinai: turdified petrol
01:38 AM skullworks: get it wrong - get fed to the lions
01:42 AM skullworks: They ( the .gov) will have to repair or replace Obama care - its failed here - this year in some counties there was only a single insurance provider, what happens next year if that company decides to quit too.
01:42 AM roycroft: except republicans have no interest in fixing or replacing it
01:43 AM roycroft: they have no interest in policy whatsoever - only politics
01:45 AM roycroft: i've already lost my medical insurance - it's completely unaffordable
01:45 AM roycroft: my premium went up 60% this year and my deductable went up 300%
01:47 AM roycroft: once obamacare is repealed, assuming that happens, it will be even worse
01:52 AM skullworks: http://time.com/4649914/why-the-doctor-takes-only-cash/
01:52 AM CaptHindsight: nah now we gotta guy thats going to fix everything greatly
01:53 AM roycroft: who doesn't understand the first thing about health insurance
01:53 AM roycroft: last week he said "you start paying $15/month when you're young, and keep paying that all your life"
01:53 AM Wolf_: like the ones writing the laws?
01:53 AM CaptHindsight: "would I lie?"
01:53 AM roycroft: he thinks it works like term life insurance
01:54 AM roycroft: i have a good doctor now
01:54 AM skullworks: Like the ones who wrote the existing law.
01:54 AM roycroft: i pay her $75/month
01:54 AM roycroft: i can see her whenever in want
01:54 AM roycroft: she also gets me labs and meds at wholesale prices
01:54 AM roycroft: and x-rays
01:54 AM LeelooMinai: lol, seems he also banned transgendered people from the military for some reason
01:54 AM CaptHindsight: Im waiting for my flying pig
01:55 AM roycroft: so i pay that to her
01:55 AM roycroft: and i put the rest of what i used to pay for insurance in a health savings account
01:55 AM roycroft: except it's not legally a health savings account, because i have to have insurance for that
01:55 AM roycroft: it's just an extra savings account and it's taxable, unlike a true health savings account
01:56 AM roycroft: but at least i'm putting some money away for medical expenses beyond what my doctor can do
01:58 AM skullworks: I have HTML that needs tending in Hong Kong.
01:58 AM roycroft: i'm waiting for the assholes in washington to cut medicare, something i've been paying into all my working life
01:58 AM roycroft: they think it's an "entitlement"
01:58 AM roycroft: which it is
01:58 AM roycroft: i've paid for it so i'm entitled to it
01:58 AM roycroft: but their definition of "entitlement" is "government handout"
01:58 AM roycroft: meaning undeserved and unfair to rich people
02:03 AM LeelooMinai: lol... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJJy6VJvSCk
02:04 AM LeelooMinai: Audiophile Japanese level - guy got dedicated power line so his audio is noise free.
02:12 AM IchGucksLive: morning from Germany
02:14 AM Vq: Guten morgen herr Live
02:21 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
02:21 AM IchGucksLive: so lets do some milling today
02:22 AM IchGucksLive: if i get the needed wood from the graveyard recycling grave wood crosses
02:22 AM IchGucksLive: making community signs for forest ways
02:23 AM IchGucksLive: till later
02:38 AM Deejay: moin
05:36 AM jthornton: morning
06:06 AM Deejay: yo
06:07 AM XXCoder: oy
06:13 AM * Loetmichel just made himself a "comfort item" after his 2 pound solder spool rolled off the desk AGAIN ... CNC mill and 1.5mm sheet alu is a nice combination ;) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16762&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
06:17 AM jthornton: nice work, did you mill out the aluminum?
06:20 AM XXCoder: hey hey Loetmichel did you steal my crappy caliper? lol
06:20 AM Deejay: harhar
06:21 AM Loetmichel: we have a few of them
06:21 AM Deejay: one of those battery eating calipers, i asume
06:21 AM jthornton: I have one like that somewhere
06:21 AM XXCoder: I have 4 calipers. do we all become "cat collectors" with calipers? lol
06:21 AM Loetmichel: its nice to use them to mark metal without worrying about the smack the master gives you if you do that with a "good" one ;)
06:22 AM XXCoder: the first one, the chinese shit one, the mitoyo caliper, the fowlers dial, and finally mitoyo dial
06:22 AM XXCoder: my digital mitoyo had been repaired after it fell off the table
06:30 AM jthornton: weekend will be nice sunny and low 80's here
06:32 AM XXCoder: not bad
06:32 AM XXCoder: shop went near 100f today
06:32 AM XXCoder: but damn robodrill machines keeps interior cool!
06:32 AM XXCoder: its totally unintental side effect of its mist extractors
06:32 AM jthornton: heat index has been 105-110f for the last couple of weeks here
06:33 AM XXCoder: attack of the plastic people. https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7380104704/h155FCB2B/
06:35 AM XXCoder: bah tomorrow will be hotter
06:35 AM XXCoder: 88f. if outside is 90f or more, shop interior will go over 100f
06:35 AM XXCoder: record that I know of is 107f, we all used towels and stuff to keep cool
06:37 AM Vq: We got 20C here today, perfect. :)
06:41 AM jthornton: are you in the north pole?
06:41 AM XXCoder: 20c? thats umm 65fish?
06:41 AM XXCoder: 60f-ish?
06:41 AM jthornton: 68
06:47 AM Tom_L: it's already 81F and the sun isn't up yet
06:48 AM jthornton: you going to have a hot one today?
06:48 AM Tom_L: seems so but they say not
06:49 AM Tom_L: storm moved thru last night
06:49 AM jthornton: we have a chance of tstorms and a high of 89f
06:50 AM * jthornton wonders when the area will run out of coons?
06:51 AM XXCoder: coons?
06:51 AM Tom_L: i won't go there
06:51 AM Tom_L: probably when you stop feeding em
06:53 AM jthornton: raccoons
06:53 AM XXCoder: ahh ok
06:53 AM jthornton: I've never had this many on my deck, usually one or two once or twice a year
06:53 AM Tom_L: they smell the food :D
06:54 AM jthornton: this one makes the count 10 for 3-4 weeks
06:54 AM Tom_L: better count your chicks
06:55 AM jthornton: lost one yesterday, looked and looked for her then decided to walk up to the carport and get the lawnmower out and ride around the property to try and find her
06:55 AM jthornton: it was strange because their comfort zone is about 10' from the fenced in chicken yard
06:56 AM jthornton: so walking by the chicken yard I spot a piece of super sticky fly tape under the juniper tree so I go to pick it up and throw it away and it pulls back I think WTF
06:56 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: privately i have a mitutoyo with nonius, 2 german brands with nonius, one GOOD digital one and 3 cheap chinese calipers... and a few micrometer screws. for the compaany the cheap cinese thingys are good enough. nothing high precision here ;)
06:57 AM XXCoder: not bad
06:57 AM jthornton: and pull it again and it comes out of the weeds with some feathers attached and out walks the missing hen
06:57 AM XXCoder: and whats nonius?
06:57 AM Tom_L: hah
06:57 AM Tom_L: i'd probably keep a closer eye with all the racoons
06:58 AM jthornton: I wonder if she will continue to pick flies off the sticky tape or not
06:58 AM jthornton: yea, that's the only reason I trap them is to protect the chickens
06:58 AM Tom_L: she knows it's there now
06:59 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: no idea whts the english name for it is. the calipers that have the second short scale bar on the sled to measure 100ths of mm by "interference" with the main scale
07:00 AM XXCoder: ah thousandths (for inch mic)
07:00 AM XXCoder: dunno what those lines are named
07:00 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5341&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- the blue plastic one has a nonius (not that its useful, considering how cheaply made these plastic things are)
07:01 AM XXCoder: oh caliper version of that interesting
07:26 AM zq: hello, i have a random machining question
07:26 AM zq: how would one go about precision milling a 3m solid cube?
07:28 AM jthornton: with a very large machining center
07:29 AM archivist: that is a bit big, first get a machine large enough
07:30 AM archivist: anyway define "precision"
07:31 AM XXCoder: 3 meter? dang
07:33 AM archivist: and what material, uranium is heavy and will bend the machine
07:52 AM Tom_L: gantry
08:04 AM zq: not sure why i said 3m, i meant 1m
08:04 AM zq: oh, because i had 3 feet in mind
08:04 AM zq: archivist: aluminum
08:06 AM zq: precision within 1/100ths of an inch
08:12 AM SpeedEvil: depends what you're doing.
08:12 AM SpeedEvil: The easy way is an appropriate mill.
08:13 AM sync: find someone with an appropiately sized machining center
08:13 AM SpeedEvil: However, getting a cube to within 1/100th of an inch can be done with handheld tools, and a moderate quality flat.
08:13 AM SpeedEvil: and a small set of simple metrology tools, and skill.
08:14 AM SpeedEvil: It's a tradeoff between skills, machine cost, time, and initial form, pretty much
08:19 AM archivist: barn door accuracy
08:19 AM SpeedEvil: over 1m though, with a ~3 ton block
08:20 AM SpeedEvil: getting the faces at right angles is not trivially obvious either.
08:20 AM SpeedEvil: (with simple tools)
08:21 AM archivist: almost within hammer and chisel accuracy
08:22 AM archivist: fun part is handling without marking
08:22 AM SpeedEvil: router-> angle grinder flap wheel -> simple scraping perhaps
08:26 AM archivist: 2560 - 2640kg after machining to size
08:31 AM SpeedEvil: yeah - but before.
08:32 AM SpeedEvil: I note as an unrelated matter I just got my first two 123 blocks. This qualifies me as a metrology expert.
08:46 AM archivist: rofl
08:46 AM archivist: project....measure a gnats cock with them
09:17 AM Vitran: I made an unplesant discovery yesterday. All the SSRs on my lathe are sourcing, not sinking.
09:57 AM JT-Shop: is that a problem?
10:35 AM Vitran: It may be a problem. I took the breakout board from the old PLC and it had pins labeled 24,12,5, and 0V. I then compared each of the pins that I have to the voltage pins. I found a lot of pins were different. I don't know why I didn't test this earlier. Anyways, now instead of providing 24V to each of the SSRs as per the wiring diagrams I was going off of, the SSRs have 12V and is connected to ground by the 7i77. A whole bunch of r
10:36 AM Vitran: I worry something got power that it shouldn't have. I checked to make sure there wasn't a short before I connected low voltage power before I applied power.
10:39 AM Vitran: I also found a pin that was supposed to be an input pin to tell if there is low lubricant is actually connected to 12VDC. I don't know how many wires I can get to to compare.
10:41 AM pink_vampire: hi
10:47 AM JT-Shop: maybe need a 7i72 https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=72&product_id=106
10:48 AM JT-Shop: anyone need a tapping head? https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=74_78&product_id=140
10:49 AM archivist: I have one already that I dont use
10:49 AM JT-Shop: you need a pair for bookends
10:50 AM archivist: my books overfloweth no need for bookends
10:58 AM Vitran: I am thinking of rewiring the relays to be sinking instead of sourcing
11:58 AM lunada: Hi
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: hi all
12:35 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.3ders.org/articles/20170726-archimedes-principle-helps-researchers-create-water-3d-scanning-technique-that-beats-laser-scanning.html
12:36 PM CaptHindsight: no Yoda heads were harmed in the development of the scanner
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: they checked only on vader
12:40 PM pcw_mesa: That is really neat
12:42 PM sync: yeah, it is a nice idea
12:42 PM sync: but it is quite slow
12:43 PM pcw_mesa: sure
12:44 PM CaptHindsight: I would have used a miniature laser on a miniature diving platform for the internal areas
12:45 PM CaptHindsight: must be some way to use insects or bacteria to map the surfaces
12:50 PM CaptHindsight: if any of the scanned parts had internal cavities and openings to the surface then they would fill with water and throw off the scan
12:50 PM CaptHindsight: surface/outer surface not the surface of the water
12:54 PM CaptHindsight: could you increase it's res by adding a layer of oil at the top?
12:55 PM CaptHindsight: and monitor the thickness of that layer in addition to the displacement of the entire tank
12:55 PM sync: you could add some codez to figure out if it has taken on water
12:56 PM sync: by comparing the volume in the tub before and after a dip
01:01 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.3ders.org/articles/20170725-columbia-researchers-aircode-system-uses-3d-printed-air-pockets-for-physical-object-tagging.html
01:01 PM CaptHindsight: two interesting articles for a change
01:04 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, you'll take $975 for it but it's marked at $600?
01:05 PM Tom_L: it won't fit my sherline...
01:05 PM CaptHindsight: I'm sure he'll take anything over that amount :)
01:06 PM Tom_L: add the two and divide by two?
01:09 PM CaptHindsight: is it for the one tap size only? or does it hold a range of sizes?
01:10 PM CaptHindsight: nevermind read it wrong
01:10 PM CaptHindsight: #10 through 3/4"
01:17 PM JT-Shop: sure wouldn't you
02:00 PM jym: ve7it: yo
02:29 PM CaptHindsight: andypugh: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608350/first-human-embryos-edited-in-us/
02:33 PM LeelooMinai: That's not going to be controvensial at all.
02:34 PM LeelooMinai: But unstopabble probably:)
02:36 PM LeelooMinai: My guess at some point they will allow this as long as it's limited to modifying genes that are proven to cause serious defects, but the tech will leak to black market/rich people, and so on.
02:54 PM ve7it: jym, hoho
02:54 PM ve7it: jym, and a bottle of rum
02:59 PM JT-Shop: how do you tell a customer their design sucks?
03:00 PM andypugh: Di you want to keep them as a customer?
03:00 PM t12_: increasing cost and saying its because of these design changes
03:00 PM t12_ is now known as t12
03:00 PM t12: or that if you changed this or this it would be cheaper
03:00 PM LeelooMinai: You start from "O, I see, that's interesting and out of the box thinking. I have some observations though..." :)
03:01 PM JT-Shop: no, it looks like it will fall apart from the vibrations on the machines lol
03:01 PM sync: "fuck off"
03:01 PM sync: although that might be a bit british
03:01 PM t12: I can't machine this, though for design fee I can try and alter it to be machinable
03:05 PM andypugh: “Are you trying to work around a patent on a sanely-designed version?"
03:07 PM JT-Shop: no, it's a big 16 gauge box that is hanging from two tiny brackets in the middle of the sheet of 16 gauge (1.5mm sheet)
03:08 PM LeelooMinai: Sheet of what... titanium? :)
03:32 PM CaptHindsight: JT-Shop: I usually just ask them why they wanted it that way. just chance or really really intended for it to be that way.
03:32 PM CaptHindsight: often they don't care if you fix it
03:32 PM CaptHindsight: fix/change
03:33 PM CaptHindsight: if you do it often for cheap then they might start running designs past you just for how to do it right with no intention of giving you the work
03:35 PM JT-Shop: they are still running all the machines I designed for them when I worked there 20 years ago lol
03:36 PM CaptHindsight: a few years ago I suggested a change from some goofy windows controller to linuxcnc and the other contractor tried to get the Linuxcnc wikipedia page removed
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: so you never know what kind of crazy you are up against
03:38 PM JT-Shop: lol I know what you mean
03:39 PM JT-Shop: your cables should be there tomorrow, at least the usps says so
03:39 PM CaptHindsight: thanks
03:40 PM _methods: JT-Shop: i usually offer some design advice but if they don't take it then i just make it however they want and then make it again when the original design fails
03:40 PM _methods: those jobs are always fun
03:41 PM CaptHindsight: we call those 6 -12 month projects
03:41 PM _methods: usually it's an emergency when you remake it so you get to charge them way more
03:41 PM JT-Shop: I guess I need to wander down there tomorrow and have a chat with them
03:41 PM _methods: hot job rates go into effect
03:41 PM _methods: hehe
03:42 PM _methods: most people are open to the design improvement information
03:42 PM * JT-Shop takes a monkey pickle break
03:42 PM _methods: but every once in awhile you get the ones that don't listen
03:42 PM _methods: i never feel bad about charging them expedite fees for their emergency either
03:43 PM CaptHindsight: told yah so
03:43 PM _methods: yeah lol
03:43 PM _methods: one time told ya so fee
03:45 PM CaptHindsight: too often we get the types that are asking too many questions about how you will build something
03:45 PM CaptHindsight: sorry it's either buy it or pay the consulting fee up front
03:46 PM _methods: yeah that's the other side of the coin
03:46 PM CaptHindsight: they usually walk in with a bunch of half baked ideas
03:47 PM CaptHindsight: organize our thoughts and tell us how this should work
03:47 PM _methods: yeah we don't do those nightmares anymore
03:48 PM _methods: unless it's from a good customer or something
03:48 PM _methods: then we'll make an exception
03:48 PM CaptHindsight: another one is make us samples on a machine that doesn't exist yet
03:48 PM _methods: but not the walkin insano's
03:50 PM CaptHindsight: "the time machine is broken, we need $xxx,xxx to fix it to get your samples and bring them back"
03:57 PM JT-Shop: lol
03:58 PM gonzo_: it's not unknown for companies to set exercises at interviews, just to get ideas/solutions. When there is not actually a job opening
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: "so how would you do this, with a low budget?"
04:02 PM CaptHindsight: yeah no shame
04:02 PM CaptHindsight: other persons time, other peoples money
04:02 PM XXCoder: gonzo_: yeah cover the outlines but not specifics but enough to show you know shit while not giving em free advice
04:02 PM Tom_L: i'd farm it out to china and charge you double what they charge
04:03 PM CaptHindsight: I got rid of a customer like that by including the steps they thought were secret to them
04:05 PM CaptHindsight: oh and by the way I posted this all on this public forum for review:
04:06 PM CaptHindsight: heh, "well first I'd fire the CEO and most of the board and replace them with sane people, Step 2)...."
04:07 PM Tom_L: First i'd fire you... because honestly wtf do you actually do anyway?
04:07 PM CaptHindsight: lol
04:08 PM CaptHindsight: my reputation precedes me, I'm only here out of tradition
04:09 PM Tom_L: yeah, now let's get on with this interview... you're wasting my time
04:11 PM CaptHindsight: "what do you typically offer in your severance packages?"
04:12 PM CaptHindsight: are office supplies not meant to be taken home?
04:12 PM Tom_L: sorry sir, nobody's ever lasted that long here
04:12 PM CaptHindsight: who am I replacing and why?
04:12 PM Tom_L: does that include printers and copy machines?
04:13 PM Deejay: gn8
04:14 PM XXCoder: things to watch out: "Free coffee!"
04:14 PM Tom_L: does that hot secretary come as part of the package?
04:14 PM Tom_L: oh sorry i didn't know that was your wife
04:14 PM XXCoder: meaning work there sucks so bad that coffee is a bonus not regular thing
04:17 PM CaptHindsight: like apartment or home rental ads that feature "near laundromat" or "easy access to fire escape"
04:38 PM asdfasd: net.org
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06:47 PM frank___: any advice on tuning servo motors ?? too many parameters that i cant really tell what are they for
06:47 PM frank___: step+dir servos
06:48 PM CaptHindsight: http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tuning/servo.html
06:49 PM CaptHindsight: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Tuning_LinuxCNC/HAL_PID_Loops
06:50 PM CaptHindsight: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PWM_Servo_Amplifiers
06:51 PM CaptHindsight: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/32367-servo-tuning-detailed-how-to
06:51 PM frank___: oh boy
06:52 PM frank___: this is not going to be pleasant
06:52 PM frank___: heh
06:52 PM frank___: however i dont really know how much that applies, as im using step+dir servos that dont close back to linuxcnc
06:53 PM frank___: i have a dedicated paansonic software for tuning
06:54 PM frank___: thanks thou capthindsight, i will defenitevely read those tomorrow
06:57 PM sync: then read the integration manual of your drive
06:57 PM sync: but similar concepts apply
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08:06 PM malcom2073_: Wolf_: https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/ele/d/brand-new-condition-pick/6236133945.html
08:07 PM malcom2073_: I have one of those machines at work, they're pretty shitty, but if you can pick that up for $300 you could get into PCB building too :-P
08:44 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.ntscope.com/autodispensers.html
08:48 PM malcom2073_: CaptHindsight: yeah the machine quality is about on par with their website quality
08:50 PM CaptHindsight: so in makerspeak overbuilt
08:51 PM malcom2073_: Underbuilt
08:51 PM malcom2073_: Terribly flimsy
08:51 PM malcom2073_: And not straight at all
08:52 PM CaptHindsight: so maker quality and will revolutionize manufacturing as we know it
08:52 PM malcom2073_: CaptHindsight: Bingo
08:52 PM malcom2073_: I mean, it's no $100k machine... but damn working in the hobby world has made me forget how terrible *bad* the commercial world is at low cost machines
08:53 PM malcom2073_: terribly*
08:53 PM CaptHindsight: why sell low cost machines? Why not just find a bar stool and hit yourself in the head with a hammer?
08:54 PM malcom2073_: Because there's idiots that are willing to buy them I guess?
09:04 PM LeelooMinai: Watched an episode of Black Sails and now I wonder if they made up this torture/killing methods there or it was really a thing - pretty brutal...
09:07 PM LeelooMinai: Er, wrong window...
09:08 PM LeelooMinai: Unless someone is into machining humansL(
09:23 PM LeelooMinai: lol: http://i.imgur.com/tU5eQEE.png
09:23 PM LeelooMinai: Awsome
09:26 PM Tom_L: how so?
09:26 PM LeelooMinai: Tom_L: A and B are same color
09:30 PM malcom2073_: The eye is a funny beast
09:30 PM LeelooMinai: malcom2073_: No it is not...
09:30 PM malcom2073_: Ok.
09:30 PM LeelooMinai: malcom2073_: You wanted to say that brain is a funny beast:)
09:31 PM LeelooMinai: Eye is just a sensor obviously.
09:32 PM Tom_L: funny
09:33 PM LeelooMinai: To make sure I used pixel sampler to verify that RGB is indeed the same:)
09:36 PM LeelooMinai: btw, I saw it here, it's pretty interesting by itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyu7v7nWzfo
09:37 PM LeelooMinai: Not sure about the part about about the AI though - I think he got that wrong.
10:15 PM CaptHindsight: https://github.com/openpnp/openpnp/wiki/Motion-Controllers chickens or frady cats?
10:16 PM CaptHindsight: well they do mention LCNC but provide no examples
10:17 PM Tom_L: written from a glue gun perspective
10:17 PM Tom_L: they refer to 'nozzle' alot
10:19 PM CaptHindsight: it might have a solder paste dispenser
10:19 PM CaptHindsight: giving them credit where none is due however
10:20 PM Tom_L: heh
10:20 PM CaptHindsight: good mood tonight
10:21 PM CaptHindsight: it has a vacuum nozzle for pickinin and placenin
11:24 PM tiwake: malcom2073_: I think a lot of that is because of the controller development... everyone thinks their controller is superior to everyone elses
11:30 PM Wolf_: malcom2073_: nice, love this part in that ad “NOTE: ONCE YOU FULLY TEST IT AND PICK UP, NOT RETURNS ACCEPTED” somehow doesn’t instill confidence