#linuxcnc Logs

Jul 20 2017

01:36 AM Crom: yeah got my sissors cutting... someone bent the upper blade prying something.... The 19 year old will remain nameless...
01:38 AM Crom: Nice heavy Wiss shears
01:38 AM Crom: And I just put in for another 10 disabilities related to the medicine side effects I take for my service connected disability
01:50 AM yaqwsx: tiwake: ?
02:08 AM LeelooMinai: Any idea what Docker is about? I have to install something and I have option to use it, but do not want to spend lot on research.
02:10 AM archivist: some crutch lazy admins rely on as far as I can see
02:11 AM LeelooMinai: Id it some cloudy thing or some, I don't know... sandboxing thing or some kind of installer, what... :)
02:13 AM LeelooMinai: Hmm, seems it's some kind of container tech. So I guess may be kind of like sandboxing.
02:14 AM LeelooMinai: Ok, seems they are similar to VM, but instead of abstracting the whole hardware, only kernel
02:37 AM Deejay: moin
05:48 AM jthornton: morning
05:48 AM XXCoder: yo
05:50 AM jthornton: hot hot hot this week
05:51 AM XXCoder: it was getting hot here but cloudy now
05:51 AM XXCoder: shop was extra hot today. humid fun also
05:51 AM jthornton: yea 100% humidity here right now
05:52 AM jthornton: I might have to put a fan by the chickens dunno
05:52 AM XXCoder: what do chickens need to cool anyway
05:58 AM Deejay: put them into the fridge
05:58 AM Deejay: ;)
05:59 AM jthornton: hmm the chicken body temperature is 105-107F but they sure hide under the coop when it's hot out
06:03 AM jthornton: hmm one page says to give them lots of cold water during hot times
06:04 AM XXCoder: jthornton: cheap way is buy ikea table, use it as roof
06:04 AM XXCoder: somehow protect surface and it may well last for years, and are fairly cheap.
06:04 AM jthornton: roof for what
06:04 AM XXCoder: just stand to shade some chickens
06:04 AM jthornton: no ikea anywhere near me
06:05 AM XXCoder: ah too bad
06:05 AM XXCoder: heh I remember one time we used old waterproof hallway cover as roof for dog roof
06:05 AM XXCoder: it lasted for years before we sold doghouse to someone
06:05 AM XXCoder: it was pretty big and hefy for big dog
06:05 AM jthornton: http://gnipsel.com/images/chicks/coop03.jpg
06:06 AM jthornton: they go under the coop where it's nice and shady
06:06 AM XXCoder: nice
06:07 AM jthornton: I need to make a door for the underside this weekend in case they decide to lay down under
06:08 AM jthornton: it's possible to start getting eggs in a week, they are 15.1 weeks old now
06:09 AM XXCoder: they grow up so fast ;)
06:10 AM IchGucksLive: hi all from germany
06:10 AM XXCoder: hey from usa
06:13 AM IchGucksLive: im off just looked at the National weather service to get infos on thunderstorm in the near
06:13 AM IchGucksLive: till later
07:16 AM tiwake: yaqwsx: I'm not awake at 1am :-/
07:23 AM jthornton: lol
08:50 AM jdh: do you have rfid tags for them?
08:56 AM Frank____: hi guys, im having a bit of a missunderstanding, i dont understand where im supposed to take the analog 10v voltage suply for the spindle/vfd controll is the usual that the inverter should provide it?
09:02 AM jdh: you supply it. vfd reads it
09:05 AM Frank____: whats the normal psu used for this scenario?
09:12 AM jdh: whatever you are using for analog out would dictate power
09:12 AM jdh: are you using mesa/p-port/wtf?
09:15 AM Frank____: mesa 7i76
09:18 AM jdh: iy provides the 0-10 itself
09:18 AM pcw_home: Usually the VFD supplies this (its the potentiometer supply)
09:22 AM Frank____: i think mine doesnt, as far as i could understand, it only supplies 24v for a max 50ma for dig outputs/inputs. however i've seen there is a dc+ - ouput but doesnt specify anywhere on the manual the voltage
09:22 AM Frank____: its a siemens g110 sinamics
09:23 AM Frank____: http://www.logosfoundation.org/instrum_gwr/harmo/Datasheets/Sinamics_G110.pdf Page 67 has specifications. where it says: User Power Supplies 24 V on pins 6 and 7 (50 mA unregulated supply): 10 V on pins 8 and 10 (5 mA)
09:24 AM Frank____: i dont understand if it says they should be provided or they are actually beeing provided by the inverter
09:24 AM Frank____: hmmm
09:25 AM Frank____: i think i am understanding now, the inverter supplies those power supplies on those pins
09:26 AM pcw_home: Yeah that's almost universal, as its intended to work with a potentiometer for manual speed control
09:27 AM pcw_home: the 7i76 analog circuitry is basically a simulated potentiometer
09:27 AM Frank____: yep, it gives you the option as i can understand per the schematics to supply it yourself, and only use 2 pins.
09:27 AM Frank____: sorry for the inconvenience
09:27 AM Frank____: sometimes writing down the problem help a bit :D
09:28 AM Frank____: not inconvenience, but the trouble
09:28 AM Frank____: yea my english sucks lol
09:36 AM pcw_home: you always have the option of supplying the analog power yourself (a 12V wall wart works well for this and retains the VFD/system isolation)
09:38 AM Frank____: that sounds really good, and not that hard. but, i just want to finish this machine, hopefully nothing smokes up.
09:41 AM Frank____: sanity check pcw : the spindle tb4 connector supplies 24v on ena+ and dir+ right? ofcourse if you have 24vdc on vfield first..
09:44 AM pcw_home: The spindle ENA+/ENA- are just the outputs of an optocoupler switch, they have no power connections
09:44 AM pcw_home: same for DIR+ and DIR-
09:45 AM pcw_home: that is, imagine them as just the 2 wires from a switch
09:46 AM Frank____: okey, so i suppose there is no difference, which is + and which is -, its just a name to help the wiring right?
09:49 AM Loetmichel: *meh* workshop= saunaaaa... 1800W shopvac ffor the vaccum table and CNC router running since 0900 doing PCBs... and the 200sq.ft. shop has no A/C or even a window to the outside http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16170&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 (old pic, same PCBs)
09:50 AM Loetmichel: ... its 16:19 now over here :-)
09:51 AM Frank____: getting stuff doneee
09:51 AM Frank____: pcb's for what if i may?
09:52 AM Loetmichel: just elongation of some FFC to mount a TFT pabnel inside a different enclosure
09:52 AM pcw_home: No, the polarity is important (the OPTO outputs are _polarized_ switches)
09:52 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16167&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
09:52 AM pcw_home: so if you wire them backwards you will find that they are always on
09:57 AM Frank____: okey, thank you SO much peter, since day 1 always helpfull.
10:37 AM Loetmichel: *harhar* $me just got the esd-bubblewrap from the ebay seller... 2*100m*1m... that should be enough to rewrap our work tables... also it was 20€ per roll instead of the 137€ our usual package provider sells them for... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16752&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
10:53 AM archivist: malcom2073_, you do jobbing work?
11:21 AM Guest90540: hi there can anyone tell me if i can test only one axis in stepconf to test so i dont have to wire my other three right away
11:22 AM archivist: yes
11:24 AM Guest90540: thats a bummer lol.. i had a working stepper and driver setup a couple months ago and due to unforseen circumstances had to take apart and move
11:24 AM Guest90540: now i dont seem to have signals going to my drivers
11:25 AM Guest90540: when i test with just x axis in stepconf
11:26 AM archivist: think about what has changed
11:26 AM archivist: use a scope to trace signals/power supplies etc
11:30 AM Guest90540: yeah i will have to try to do that today. i have gone over it for a couple days now and suspect either a bad connection maybe at my computers paraport or it got damaged somehow. stuff had to be in storage for two months
11:31 AM archivist: did you forget the 5v power to the BOB
11:37 AM Guest90540: i didn't have a breakout board. i wired everything from port pins to drivers by hand (even though i don't believe your supposed to do that)
11:39 AM Guest90540: it was working just fine so maybe i did something wrong this time or burned something out, but i think ports working at least somewhat because when i restart computer my motor twitches like it did before
11:46 AM archivist: the parallel port is not designed to drive stepper drivers direct
11:46 AM archivist: especially opto isolated ones
11:48 AM Guest90540: i know :( thats why i said i might have burned something out. it was about being a cheapskate lol. and i may have cost myself more money
11:51 AM Guest90540: good news is once i figure this out ill be in end stages of a working machine instead of motors and drivers and such on a bench top
11:53 AM TurBoShop: yop
11:53 AM TurBoShop: hello
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: hi from Germany
11:55 AM TurBoShop: re from hotland
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: boddenkreuzer: nice to hear that the xhc is going well
11:56 AM boddenkreuzer: yes, its nice! Thanks
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: now the implementation of the vaccum is next
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: did you start on this
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: its a tripple trick
11:57 AM boddenkreuzer: no, not yet
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: by M PY and XHC
11:57 AM TurBoShop: bye i'm melting
12:08 PM Loetmichel: boddenkreuzer: btw: does your nick have any significance? i.E: do you have/build a ship?
12:10 PM boddenkreuzer: not realy, I just refit them
12:10 PM boddenkreuzer: but its actually: me sailing at the Bodden
12:18 PM Vitran: It's burgity hot here. It's raining super hard and 32 outside and this is in Canada
12:19 PM Loetmichel: i know
12:19 PM Loetmichel: i just thought it was "i HAVE a boddenkreuzer" more than "i AM a boddenkreuzer" ;-)
12:20 PM boddenkreuzer: its kind a both...
12:20 PM Loetmichel: Vitran: i just waited out a short heavy rainfall here in central germany... when i drove home afterwards the streets were still wet but actually steaming from the sunlight...
12:21 PM Loetmichel: really pretty... but makes for a pretty "wet" feeling when you drive an open convertible ;)
12:22 PM Loetmichel: ... especially in the alamedas around here
12:22 PM Loetmichel: the air feels like a hot, wet towel when you inhale...
12:25 PM Vitran: It's noonday here so will likely just get hotter but not too much going on here. I'm just figuring out how to take a .hal file from 2.4 for a 5i20 to make it work work with 2.7 with a 7i77/7i64. So many variables have changed.
12:25 PM archivist: I thought someone was looking at an upgrade script
12:29 PM Vitran: My ears are perked at such a thing. Go on? Any other info?
12:30 PM JT-Shop: Vitran: your going from a 5i20 to a 5i25 or 6i25?
12:35 PM Vitran: 6i25
12:36 PM Vitran: 6i25 with a 7i77 and a 7i64 controlling a hardinge superslant. I have the code from Rob_h from his machines
12:36 PM Vitran: As he has the same machine, I want to copy
12:43 PM Vitran: It has two turrets that he already had the code working for, along with a few other odd controls.
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: Vitran: the xhc-hb04 is mutch easyer to use as handling
02:29 PM jthornton: Vitran: I finally understand your question if your still around
02:44 PM Crom: It's kooler here in Southern California 87.8F 31C
02:45 PM XXCoder: 65f cloudy
02:46 PM Crom: hmm weather station has 32c
02:46 PM Crom: humidity 46% almost muggy
02:47 PM Vitran: jthornton: I am still around, but am working in the background
02:47 PM Vitran: I'll have more time to talk in two hours or so
02:48 PM CaptHindsight: what's good for a motor shaft that (fractional HP) is also a very poor thermal conductor at 200-400C?
02:48 PM mrme: is it possible to drive a pmsm servo just with 3 half bridges and few additional parts with an mesa 5i25?
02:48 PM mrme: i got 5 small pmsm servos without drives which would be perfect for my actual project
02:51 PM CaptHindsight: mrme: the 5i25 is just a FPGA card on a PCI bus
02:51 PM mrme: CaptHindsight yes i mean with the right firmware
02:51 PM mrme: or is that not possible?
02:52 PM mrme: the servo has hall sensors and a 2500lines encoder on it
02:52 PM mrme: i thought about something like 3 half bridges with mosfets, in 2 bridges with the shunts for the current sense and an spi adc for measuring the actual current
02:53 PM mrme: and then use linuxcnc for the 3phase pwm
02:53 PM CaptHindsight: you can get the +-5V out from a 7i77 to drive a servo amp and also have the encoder inputs
02:53 PM mrme: CaptHindsight i dont have any amp for the servos
02:53 PM mrme: i got them without
02:53 PM CaptHindsight: you'll still need to build or buy the servo amp
02:53 PM mrme: do you have an website for a selfmade servo amp?
02:54 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.microchip.com/design-centers/motor-control-and-drive/motor-types/pmsm
02:54 PM CaptHindsight: bbl
02:54 PM mrme: you have something for an stm32, too? i have no tools for pics
02:57 PM mrme: most things i could find were sensorless
03:16 PM CaptHindsight: stm32 servo amp
03:16 PM CaptHindsight: try googling that
03:39 PM sync: mrme stmbl
03:40 PM mrme: sync stmbl is a bit oversized i thing
03:40 PM mrme: it is an 48v bldc servo for sinusoidal current with just 200W
03:41 PM sync: would still be fine
03:44 PM mrme: yes but i think it is a bit too complicated to build
03:45 PM sync: is it? you can leave out what you don't need
03:46 PM mrme: those 3 stmbl drives would cost more than the whole machine
03:47 PM sync: possibly, but it works very nicely
03:47 PM mrme: and why they use 2 stm32 i dont really understand
03:56 PM LeelooMinai: Played with the netdata monitor thing more - it's kind of awsome I must say.
03:57 PM sync: mrme: it is cheaper that way
03:58 PM mrme: sync why is it cheaper? as long as you dont need 230V then u dont need the galvanic isolation
03:58 PM mrme: my motors just need 48v
03:58 PM sync: well, sure, but that is not what the drive is designed for
03:58 PM sync: and for mains operation it is significantly cheaper and easier
03:58 PM LeelooMinai: mrme: Ever heard of noise? :)
03:59 PM mrme: LeelooMinai what?
03:59 PM LeelooMinai: You don't want your motors disturbing the control circuitry.
04:00 PM LeelooMinai: So 48V or not, you wan them to be isolated.
04:16 PM Deejay: gn8
04:18 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I probably should not just blast air from the compressor into PC insides, should I? Wonder if I need to get a proper filter or can MacGyver something simple.
04:22 PM djdelorie: I usually run my dust collector, shop vac, or whatever, next to where I'm blowing the air, to suck up the blown dust.
04:22 PM djdelorie: but air compressor is the way to clean out the dust, yeah :-)
04:22 PM LeelooMinai: Right, ok, but that's another story. I was mostly thinking about oil + moisture coming out of the compressor.
04:23 PM XXCoder: LeelooMinai: there is addons that remove water
04:23 PM LeelooMinai: So, I mean a filter on the hose.
04:23 PM XXCoder: but yeah I don't recommand it
04:23 PM XXCoder: I suggest air sprayer you buy at computer store or something
04:23 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: Don't recommend what, air compressor?
04:23 PM djdelorie: hmmm... hadn't thought of that, but never had a problem with it either. Of course, I don't have an oiler on my compressor
04:23 PM djdelorie: and water vapor evaporates
04:24 PM XXCoder: yeah. though it may contain traces of other stuff, like iron oxide from inside tankj
04:24 PM LeelooMinai: djdelorie: After forming rust:)
04:24 PM XXCoder: indeed
04:24 PM djdelorie: (I use mine to blow sawdust off woodworking, so... oil == bad)
04:24 PM XXCoder: rust is kinda conductive
04:25 PM LeelooMinai: There's a lost of rust inside an air compressor tank usually. And water - that's why they have a bleed valve at the bottom.
04:25 PM LeelooMinai: Plus, yes, my compressor is oil lubricated, so that's another thing.
04:25 PM XXCoder: LeelooMinai: theres probably filters you can add. I know addon that remove water exist
04:25 PM LeelooMinai: I better get some filter thingy I guess.
04:25 PM XXCoder: sandblaster need water remover because theres always somne water
04:26 PM frank___: hi guys, quick question, where should i ground the shield from the signal wires of the 7i76? right now they are connected to the ac main ground, i've read that i should ground it to the dc psu ground, but that psu is isolated.
04:26 PM LeelooMinai: I see cheapoues like that: https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/1-4-in-air-filter/A-p8602468e
04:27 PM LeelooMinai: frank___: Imo to the ground of the signal board.
04:27 PM XXCoder: LeelooMinai: http://www.newwayairbearings.com/sites/default/files/care_and_air_air_in_air_out_new_way_px550x500_en_0.jpg
04:27 PM LeelooMinai: Right, that's probably more proper setup, but won't be cheap.
04:28 PM XXCoder: air after that should be clean enough for blasting computer though I still dont recommand it.
04:28 PM XXCoder: canned air is better for computer.,
04:28 PM frank___: the ground of the signal board is -24vdc, the dc psu is floating
04:28 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: Meh, canned air is pita imo:)
04:28 PM LeelooMinai: frank___: If its -24V it's not ground imo:)
04:28 PM XXCoder: and more money :( there is version that uses standard co2 modules that is cheaper
04:29 PM LeelooMinai: frank___: Ground is a reference for signals - so 0V.
04:30 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: This looks nicer, but I ain't paying that price:) https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/1-2-in-air-filter-and-dryer/A-p8650400e
04:30 PM XXCoder: maybe aliexpress and its like
04:31 PM LeelooMinai: Right, need to look around. But cans - no way. I am not buying air...
04:31 PM XXCoder: https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20170720130010&SearchText=air+dryer+and+filter
04:31 PM XXCoder: I saw one that was rechargable, come with its own special clean air compressor
04:31 PM XXCoder: bit pricy but lasts essentally forever,.
04:32 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: Well, kind of silly for me: all my PCs are in the basement anyways and I have compressor there.
04:32 PM XXCoder: indeed.
04:32 PM LeelooMinai: So charging cans and using them would be funny:)
04:32 PM frank___: but the psu dosnt output a ground output, i have either V+ or V-
04:32 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder:
04:32 PM XXCoder: yeah?
04:33 PM LeelooMinai: frank___: What kind of weird PSU is that...
04:33 PM pink_vampire: i also need a filter for my rig
04:33 PM frank___: a dc swithcing psu
04:33 PM frank___: with floating outputs
04:33 PM LeelooMinai: frank___: Ok, but that's PSU. I was talking of using the control board ground for shield...
04:34 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: theres "pre-filters" for air filters that can work in anyy intake, pretty effective. unfortnately im out of time, have to go to work,
04:34 PM frank___: the control board is a 7i76, which is only connected to the psu,
04:34 PM LeelooMinai: frank___: I mean if signals are from the control board, they are referenced to something on that board that is ground - use that.
04:34 PM frank___: you mean i should ground the 7i76 to ac ground?
04:35 PM LeelooMinai: No, I mean if your cables have shield (unless I misunderstood) connect it to the board ground.
04:35 PM frank___: thats V- of the psu
04:35 PM frank___: lol
04:36 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, well, ok, but connect the shield on the control board side.
04:36 PM LeelooMinai: Imo don't create some crazy loops with it.
04:36 PM LeelooMinai: board -> signals/shield -> signals -> destination.
04:37 PM LeelooMinai: pcw_home would probably have the best recommendations on this, as he designed those boards, but that is my opinion.
04:37 PM LeelooMinai: Or pcw_not_at_home probably too
04:39 PM LeelooMinai: lol, I wonder who buys things like that... https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00GVTE1BI/
04:39 PM frank___: thats me
04:39 PM frank___: lol
04:39 PM frank___: cellphone
04:39 PM LeelooMinai: Er, waht...
04:39 PM frank___: frank_10
04:39 PM LeelooMinai: frank___: What do you mean that's you - the big thing? :)
04:39 PM LeelooMinai: pig*
04:40 PM frank___: ill keep reading trying to find more stuff about the topic
04:44 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I don't know if to sell those bitcoins I found, wait in hope they will even go higher, or try trading them. Probably trading is a high risk idea, but I see a lot of people do that...
04:45 PM LeelooMinai: Probably not good for mental sanity and heart health either.
04:49 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, this one looks nice: https://www.amazon.ca/Ingersoll-F35121-400-VS-4-Inch-Filter-Black/dp/B0057D8LII
04:50 PM LeelooMinai: 5 micron filter - I wonder if one is supposed to change those from time to time or what.
04:51 PM sync: just blow your computer out
04:51 PM sync: less bikeshedding
04:52 PM LeelooMinai: sync: Which one? I have like 8:)
04:52 PM sync: all of them
04:52 PM LeelooMinai: sync: Ok, right after you run upir smartphone with a steamroller:p
04:52 PM LeelooMinai: your*
04:54 PM roycroft: a 5µ filter will clog fairly quickly
04:54 PM roycroft: i use them when filtering beer sometimes
04:55 PM LeelooMinai: OK U S A
04:55 PM roycroft: and when i need to filter the yeast out, i use a 5µ prefilter and a 0.5µ final filter
04:55 PM LeelooMinai: I will now refer to roycroft as mr-usa
04:56 PM * roycroft wonders what prompted that, but will not pursue the matter
04:56 PM LeelooMinai: roycroft: Probably you calling me a moron:p
04:57 PM * roycroft respectfully declines taking the bait
04:57 PM LeelooMinai: OK, mr-u s a
04:58 PM sync: LeelooMinai: unless you are doing something critical unfiltered air is fine
04:58 PM sync: for painting moisture and oil is bad
04:58 PM roycroft: unless there are long-haired cats about
04:59 PM sync: but moisture can only be really reliably removed by a freeze dryer, silica gel dryers are a pain
04:59 PM LeelooMinai: sync: I was talking about cleaining inside of PCs - not sure how to classifty it, but, semi-critical maybe? :)
05:02 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, Princess Auto has this brand called PowerFist with, well, a fist kind of punching you in the face as the logo - have mixed fillings about it:)
05:02 PM LeelooMinai: It's Taiwan apparently
05:04 PM sync: no, it is very uncritical LeelooMinai
05:04 PM LeelooMinai: sync: I don't know - not sure if I want corrosion in my PSU...
05:05 PM sync: why would it corrode
05:05 PM sync: if your compressed air emits a stream of water something went wrong
05:05 PM sync: otherwise, ban humidity
05:06 PM LeelooMinai: sync: Well, as I wrote, I think it's normal that the tank has water inside and moisture in general.
05:06 PM sync: yes
05:06 PM sync: so what?
05:06 PM LeelooMinai: ...
05:06 PM sync: it is not like you end up with a pressure washer
05:06 PM LeelooMinai: So you blow this out amd you end up with high moisture condensation.
05:06 PM sync: if your autism forces you to overengineer blowing out a computer, fine
05:07 PM sync: but it is just not the case
05:07 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, it's case, PSU, motherboard, etc:p
05:08 PM LeelooMinai: Also, oil is in the system, since it's oil lubricated - that's probably not that great either.
05:08 PM malcom2073_: If your compressed air puts out a stream of water, you probably accidently picked up a water hose instead
05:08 PM malcom2073_: It happens
05:08 PM malcom2073_: Though not often among the intelligence bracket that is able to use computers
05:09 PM LeelooMinai: Right, now it's a stream of water - as always on iRC, things escalate. Soon someone will mention a pressure wash... er, ok, too late...
05:11 PM sync: you can wash electronics in your dishwasher
05:11 PM sync: you are going to be fine.
05:11 PM sync: you can also submerge them in oil
05:12 PM malcom2073_: We wash ours in a big basin
05:12 PM malcom2073_: In soapywater
05:13 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, and microwave, put into an air dryer, washing mashine, sandblast them, 1GW ultrasound cleaner, etc.
05:13 PM sync: no, some of that you can not.
05:14 PM malcom2073_: Ultrasonic cleaner sure, that's good too
05:15 PM sync: not if it has crystals on it
05:15 PM malcom2073_: We microwave dessicants ,but not electronics.
05:15 PM malcom2073_: True heh
05:15 PM LeelooMinai: I wonder how it works for MEMs too - proibably questionable:)
05:15 PM Tom_L: try it and report back
05:16 PM roycroft: if your compressed air puts out a stream of water you're not draining the tank properly at the end of the day
05:17 PM malcom2073_: Many mems devices in your computer?
05:17 PM roycroft: and you also are likely missing your inline water filter
05:17 PM LeelooMinai: As I suspected, risky: http://i.imgur.com/uuka1Fj.png
05:19 PM Tom_L: so what does sending your cellphone thru airport security do to it?
05:20 PM LeelooMinai: Tom_L: They use high-power ultrasound? I would not think so...
05:29 PM CaptHindsight: it keeps it from blowing up tall buildings and even the ones across the street from tall buildings
05:30 PM CaptHindsight: it also makes sure your phone has no weapons inside it
05:31 PM CaptHindsight: I'm sure there are other safety reasons as well :)
05:31 PM roycroft: the ability to clean electronics in an ultrasonic cleaner depends in part on the cleaning solution that is used as well
05:32 PM CaptHindsight: if a trained chimp came in this channel and asked these same questions would you respond?
05:33 PM roycroft: are you addressing me, capthindsight?
05:35 PM CaptHindsight: the entire channel
05:35 PM Tom_L: if he/she seemed friendly enough sure
05:35 PM roycroft: do you have such a chimp, and are preparing a social experiment?
05:35 PM * roycroft is not biased against chimps in any way
05:35 PM Tom_L: for all practical purposes you could be that chimp and nobody would know
05:36 PM roycroft: any of us could be
05:36 PM roycroft: we could all be chimps!
05:36 PM roycroft: this could be a poser chimp channel
05:38 PM CaptHindsight: impractical chimp purposes, mu next book title
05:38 PM LeelooMinai: I had a weird thought yesterday. That maybe when you die, your self-awarness moves to the closest alternative universe where you are still not-dead. I think I died in late 2016:)
05:39 PM CaptHindsight: how to spot a fake chimp?
05:39 PM roycroft: i expect that when i die i'll just be maggot food
05:40 PM LeelooMinai: CaptHindsight: What is that with chimp... I thought it was trolls, bots, etc. Now there are chimps on internet too? :p
05:40 PM LeelooMinai: Or it's one of the new memes I am not up to date on - difficult to keep track of them:(
05:41 PM * roycroft sets a big basket of bananas in the middle of the channel and waits to see who grabs one
05:41 PM * LeelooMinai steals the basket and leaves the banans.
05:41 PM LeelooMinai: Need ti for halloween for Little Red Riding Hood costume.
05:43 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, downloded some bitcoin trading bot and run it in "paper" mode, that is with real market, but not doing transactions - it's pretty neat.
05:44 PM LeelooMinai: Well, at least it seems to work: http://i.imgur.com/E9CIZY2.png :)
05:45 PM CaptHindsight: mrme: I buy ac servo amp on ebay for <$100 with all the bells and whistles. How much is your time worth?
05:46 PM LeelooMinai: CaptHindsight: I wonder what Dalai Lame would answer:p
05:47 PM LeelooMinai: Lama!
05:47 PM LeelooMinai: Lame Lama
05:47 PM CaptHindsight: isn't there some cheapo servo drive that was on poopstarter?
05:48 PM roycroft: ¡las llamas son mas grande que las ranas!
05:51 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/open-source-controller-boards/283428-cnc.html
05:52 PM LeelooMinai: and, I scrolled to the last message: "This thread has become a really nice mess... However, I have to state again, I can not work on this project anymore, I do not have time for this. The source code and schematic I made are free for everyone to use as they think is fit to them, they can modify and not publish it, they can build commercial things if they want. My only regret is that I did not see real progress on this project. "
05:53 PM LeelooMinai: THE END:)
05:53 PM LeelooMinai: As 99% of those probably.
06:22 PM sync: ah this thing
06:22 PM sync: iirc crinq tried to help him
09:11 PM LeelooMinai: lol, I made an experiment with trading and started with $20 and earned 37 cents
09:11 PM LeelooMinai: I may now scratch earning anything by trading from my bucket list:p
09:18 PM dan3wik is now known as dan2wik
10:54 PM eeriegeek: if thats per day thats extraordinary
11:06 PM LeelooMinai: Well, what - it was a test. That's like 2% gain in one day with zero trading experience or anything. Yes, maybe I got lucky, but still. If one had, say, 10k to play, that eould be, what, $200? :)
11:08 PM LeelooMinai: But it was more of a lol-experiment to see how those things work there.
11:09 PM LeelooMinai: I also found out that bitcoin people on IRC are a bit, er, "not really right in their minds", but what's new.
11:10 PM LeelooMinai: One tried to convinve me that if a site has API, that means that you have to write software yourself and no way there will be free/open-source application already written for it.
11:10 PM LeelooMinai: convince*
11:52 PM Crom: heh
11:53 PM Crom: just found a web sitw for a buddy who needed wire for his beetle... he didn't wat to spend $152 on a wiring harness...
11:53 PM Crom: 4rcustomwire.com good for all your car restoration needs
11:54 PM Crom: $16 for a 50' green wire with pink stripe 18 gauge
11:57 PM Crom: now I sit here waiting for the VA to either grant my disability or not. Projected completion Oct to Jan...
11:57 PM Crom: err new disability I filed for