#linuxcnc Logs

Jul 19 2017

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:14 AM Crom: On my Window computer again guh...
01:16 AM Crom: ugh
02:23 AM Deejay: moin
03:12 AM miss0r2: mornin'
03:12 AM LeelooMinai: So, was installing Debian 9 and decided to try something called netdata - a monitoring system through web.
03:12 AM LeelooMinai: And lol - they really went overkill there...
03:13 AM archivist: dont allow external bodies monitor you
03:13 AM miss0r2: what.. why.. ? What is that debian machine doing since you want all that survillance?
03:13 AM miss0r2: archivist: nothing that does not route through ssh atleast
03:14 AM LeelooMinai: No, I mean it's through web-browser, not some kind of cloud-whatever
03:14 AM archivist: JS snooping
03:14 AM miss0r2: I don't much like it
03:14 AM archivist: I have noticed my disk frying on certain websites
03:15 AM LeelooMinai: By overkill I meant in terms of GUI/presentation and amount of data.
03:15 AM LeelooMinai: Looks pretty neat imo.
03:15 AM miss0r2: I actualy don't like anything on my servers i'm not in complete control of
03:17 AM miss0r2: but it looks neat, sure :] All I use to monitor my servers is virtual-manager. Tells me CPU/Disk/network load ect. If anything looks out'a place, I log in and see whats up
03:17 AM LeelooMinai: I don't see a difference between this and anything old-school in terms of control... Liike conky, etc.
03:17 AM LeelooMinai: It's just a monitor software.
03:17 AM archivist: the ability for them to monitor you
03:18 AM LeelooMinai: archivist: Them who...
03:18 AM archivist: and sell data to whoever
03:18 AM miss0r2: LeelooMinai: That service is running on their servers, right? its not a daemon you have installed, running a local webserver?
03:18 AM archivist: many are up to no good now, it is how they can afford "free"
03:19 AM LeelooMinai: miss0r2: It's a normal daemon, you connect to local ip, etc. I don't know what is this talk about:p
03:20 AM miss0r2: hmm... Have you looked at what data leaves you - i.e. if you are listening in on you?
03:21 AM LeelooMinai: miss0r2: It's open source, giyhub, etc. - no one would use it if it was sending data.
03:21 AM LeelooMinai: github*
03:22 AM archivist: Since May 16th 2016 (the date the global public netdata registry was released):
03:25 AM miss0r2: makes me feel all warm and fussy inside
03:46 AM maenthrie: From what I read that registry is over https and it's just some default global one, if one wants, but you can use any of your daemons as the registry, so, it's not a big deal.
03:46 AM LeelooMinai: Right, I am just reading https://github.com/firehol/netdata/wiki/mynetdata-menu-item
03:47 AM LeelooMinai: Hmm, well, not that I care much - I just installed it and had a look to see if it's really as fast as they claimed, etc.
03:48 AM LeelooMinai: Can as well use htop or whatever:)
04:01 AM LeelooMinai: Changed to local registry - seems to work.
04:50 AM XXCoder: boo
04:51 AM pink_vampire: XXCoder: ba
04:52 AM XXCoder: whats up
04:52 AM pink_vampire: fine
04:52 AM pink_vampire: did some wood painting
04:52 AM XXCoder: nice
04:54 AM pink_vampire: i hate to paint
04:56 AM archivist: my painting is on metal last two images http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=morrison+pd
04:57 AM XXCoder: nice
04:57 AM XXCoder: pink_vampire: why?
05:00 AM archivist: have to finish wiring new parts in the panel
05:02 AM pink_vampire: it make huge mess
05:23 AM XXCoder: pink yeah thats painting :)
05:23 AM XXCoder: http://chainsawsuit.com/comic/archive/2014/05/13/more-time-travel-problems/ lol
06:09 AM jthornton: morning
06:12 AM XXCoder: hey the jt
06:14 AM pink_vampire: I doing very trick gcode to cut super flat v grove, on a none reliable Z axis
06:17 AM JesusAlos: morning
06:19 AM pink_vampire: hi JesusAlos
06:21 AM JesusAlos: jthornton: Yesterday, you told me the possibility to use master who support gantrykins homing. But I'm not familiar with this configuration. There are a sample machine in linuxcnc?
06:22 AM jthornton: not gantryhkins that doesn't work
06:24 AM jthornton: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config/ini-homing.html#_home_sequence
06:26 AM JesusAlos: Thank you
06:27 AM jthornton: very simple to do :)
06:42 AM pink_vampire: I need that !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NzVmtbPOrM
06:58 AM jthornton: pink pink pink
07:02 AM JesusAlos: I'm not sure, but in stepconf, I can't assign the same join (X limit) to more than one pin to do the auto-align axis sequence.
07:03 AM jthornton: stepconf is for basic configurations only
07:04 AM XXCoder: jthornton: yep. so pink it cannot be shown how pink it is via video or digital picture
07:04 AM XXCoder: the example near end shows how the difference is from video to real thing by desaturating video then show normal
07:29 AM pink_vampire: jthornton: yes' pink!
07:30 AM sync: just buy a jar of it if you need it
07:34 AM pink_vampire: but why??
07:35 AM sync: you said you need it and it is for sale, so purchase it
11:25 AM ChanServ changed topic of #linuxcnc to: LinuxCNC is a linux-based open-source CNC control. | Latest releases: 2.7.10 | http://www.linuxcnc.org
11:39 AM dan3wik is now known as dan2wik
12:01 PM pcw_mesa_ is now known as pcw_mesa
12:06 PM IchGucksLive: hi from germany
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: pink_vampire: do you got a pink cnc frame
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: the pink powder will make you one
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: boddenkreuzer: alles klar mit dem xhc
12:12 PM boddenkreuzer: it works, but still some "kinderkrankheiten"
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: you will get to it
12:13 PM boddenkreuzer: for sure!
12:19 PM JesusAlos: Hi
12:19 PM IchGucksLive: hi JesusAlos
12:19 PM IchGucksLive: today we got tha spanish head
12:19 PM IchGucksLive: we reatched 36 Deg
12:20 PM sync: slow down and read what you wrote, at least twice
12:22 PM Deejay: re
12:39 PM pink_vampire: IchGucksLive: what do you mean?
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: only a joke
12:47 PM Deejay: re
12:47 PM pink_vampire: ok
12:48 PM JesusAlos: IchGucksLive: I can't believe that warm happen in Germany.
12:49 PM IchGucksLive: it can go even higher
12:51 PM Loetmichel: IchGucksLive/ JesusAlos: thats why i drive the convertible open... -> https://youtu.be/ERJ9QSWRE58 ... and now i know why the BMW 318i needs 10 liters per 100km gasoline instead of the promised 7 ;)
12:51 PM JesusAlos: We planning to move to our summer house on Xilxes beach. To holidays.
12:52 PM JesusAlos: Good European car...
12:53 PM Loetmichel: JesusAlos: +ooold ;)
12:53 PM JesusAlos: The good things are ever good.
01:19 PM Loetmichel: JesusAlos: it still needs a bit of work... after reversing most of the "pimp" that the previous owner did (all lamps were aftermarket cheap crap) and an the engine throwing a rod i now have to take care of the windshield, a bit of rust on one door, and that /(%/&%/ aftermarket threaded coilover suspension that is stiff as if he had changed the springs to threaded rod...
01:20 PM Loetmichel: AND i want to put a wrap on it in color flip dark blue/turqouise ;)
01:20 PM Loetmichel: mhmm
01:20 PM Loetmichel: gone :-)
01:50 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
04:02 PM phipli: does anyone use image-to-gcode?
04:16 PM Deejay: gn8
04:16 PM JT-Shop: I've never used it
04:16 PM XXCoder: I did few times.
04:16 PM XXCoder: its pretty cool
04:18 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: one of bit annoyance about it is that it uses mm per pixels unit
04:29 PM phipli: used it lately?
04:29 PM phipli: numpy is throwing an error
04:30 PM pink_vampire: phipli: screenshot?
04:30 PM phipli: console :)
04:30 PM phipli: import numpy.numarray as numarray
04:30 PM phipli: ImportError: No module named numarray
04:30 PM phipli: numpy can run in a numarray (an older thing) style mode
04:30 PM phipli: but it wont
04:31 PM pink_vampire: what are you trying to do?
04:31 PM XXCoder: phipli: dang bad timing, I have to go now to work
04:31 PM XXCoder: later
04:31 PM phipli: it wont start
04:31 PM phipli: no problem XXCoder I'm not in a rush - if you have any ideas drop me a message another time
04:32 PM phipli: pink_vampire: this bit is causing an error
04:32 PM phipli: import numpy.numarray as numarray
04:32 PM phipli: import numpy.core
04:32 PM phipli: olderr = numpy.core.seterr(divide='ignore')
04:32 PM phipli: plus_inf = (numarray.array((1.,))/0.)[0]
04:32 PM phipli: numpy.core.seterr(**olderr)
04:33 PM pink_vampire: are you trying to use the image-to-gcode.py??
04:34 PM phipli: there's another version?
04:35 PM pink_vampire: just open the py file like any other gcode, in linux cnc
04:36 PM pink_vampire: phipli: ^
04:38 PM phipli: I'm not on a machine with linuxcnc installed - is there an older version of numpy installed on linuxcnc?
04:42 PM pink_vampire: I have no idea what is 'numpy'
04:42 PM pink_vampire: what are you trying to do??
04:43 PM pink_vampire: phipli:
04:43 PM pink_vampire: ^
04:43 PM phipli: a library that image-to-gcode uses
04:44 PM pink_vampire: what version of linux cnc are you using?
04:44 PM phipli: right now, I'm not - image-to-gcode should run stand alone
04:44 PM phipli: but... one of its dependencies is throwing an error, not recognising one of its own functions
04:45 PM phipli: that I've checked, and is at least present in name
04:45 PM phipli: when I try to use that function (numpy.numarray), it throws a "no module named numarray" error
04:46 PM pink_vampire: I just open a png file in linux cnc, and it convert it automatically to gcode
04:51 PM roycroft: 'numpy' is being nagging and grumpy at the same time
04:52 PM phipli: Don't think I have grum-py installed
04:52 PM * phipli hides
04:52 PM roycroft: what about num.py?
04:52 PM phipli: numpy is there
04:56 PM pink_vampire: you can use the image to gcode online
04:57 PM pink_vampire: http://www.thuijzer.nl/image2gcode/
04:57 PM pink_vampire: phipli: ^
04:58 PM phipli: cool
04:59 PM pcw_mesa: I think the numpy bug is known but not fixed yet for newer OSes
05:00 PM phipli: thanks pcw_mesa that would explain it
05:00 PM phipli: if that is the case I'll stop trying to fix it :)
05:02 PM pcw_mesa: What OS are you running (I think I saw this on Mint18/Ubuntu16.xx)
05:02 PM phipli: mint
05:02 PM phipli: 18.1
05:05 PM roycroft: is numpy making you numpy?
05:08 PM phipli: the web version worked - that will do for now :)
05:08 PM phipli: I can always set up a little vm with an older linux in it
05:14 PM pink_vampire: phipli: COOL!
05:54 PM pink_vampire: LeelooMinai: !
05:58 PM LeelooMinai: Configuring this Debian 9 here:)
05:59 PM LeelooMinai: There's a bug in x11vnc seems - kept crashing with signal 6, stack corruption. I figured out that the -noscr option helps: in case someone has the same experience.
06:00 PM LeelooMinai: Good news is that one of those little display emulators from amazon, for like $10, works - can get all the modes up to 4K over x11vnc now.
06:01 PM LeelooMinai: So good way to get remote linuxcnc without display.
06:01 PM JT-Shop: wow only took 40 days to ship banggood from canada whs lol I think it came from china
06:02 PM JT-Shop: actually it has a cali return address lol
06:02 PM LeelooMinai: You bought banggod? :)
06:04 PM LeelooMinai: Also, not sure who made that name, but wth does it mean...
06:15 PM jdh: what is a little display emulator from amazon
06:17 PM LeelooMinai: jdh: A little "dongle" with hdmi plug that pretends to be a monitor - sends all the modes info up to 4K, etc.
06:18 PM LeelooMinai: jdh: I got two od those. No idea why the price is higher now... https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B06XT1Z9TF
06:19 PM jdh: I didn't know that was a thing
06:19 PM LeelooMinai: I got two of them for $11 somehow a week ago: http://i.imgur.com/mzPXHtk.png
06:20 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I assumed it is a thing and it was:)
06:21 PM LeelooMinai: And even though it has 1920x1080 there, it presents tons of modes up to 4K, as I suspected.
06:22 PM LeelooMinai: It has all the modes one wants sans, of course, the one I have on my center monitor:p
06:22 PM LeelooMinai: But I have a weird 2560x1080 one, so, whatever - HD works too.
06:24 PM Tom_itx: i always thought you were supposed to plug a monitor there
06:24 PM * LeelooMinai wonders why text editor in xfce is called mousepad...
06:24 PM LeelooMinai: Tom_itx: Where...
06:25 PM * Tom_itx wonders why anyone would use xfce in the first place
06:25 PM Tom_itx: that plug thing
06:25 PM LeelooMinai: lol... for what?
06:26 PM LeelooMinai: No, it has no socket on the other side or anything.
06:28 PM LeelooMinai: With headless linuxcnc there are problems. normal VNC can refuse to work, since opengl will not work on non-real hardware, and, well, x11vnc can connext to "real" desktop, but you end up with max of, 1024 I think or 1280 - something pretty pad.
06:28 PM LeelooMinai: bad*
06:30 PM LeelooMinai: Damn, my mom watches Polish TV and the bastards just voted to get controll over the court system. That's pretty much dictatorship by now.
06:31 PM LeelooMinai: Seems EU is considering sanctions on Poland already. I blame Trump/USA for this crap:/
06:35 PM LeelooMinai: What a fail - they rejected 1300 corrections and ignored constitution; the whole precedure was basically a big troll. The dude in charge at some point out of the blue decided to limit every one to 60 seconds of speech after like 10 second vote that of course vent to to the majority.
06:36 PM LeelooMinai: Now they don't want to let him out of the room...
06:39 PM LeelooMinai: "The EU is on the brink of taking the nuclear option of stripping Poland of its voting rights in Brussels in response to plans by its rightwing government to “abolish” the independence of the country’s judiciary."
06:43 PM sync: LeelooMinai: if you blame trump for it, you blame the wrong person
06:43 PM sync: it has been going on for years
06:43 PM LeelooMinai: sync: He accelerated it - the visit, the trolls over internet, etc.
06:44 PM LeelooMinai: All the "patriotism" bullshit.
06:45 PM LeelooMinai: Now they have the results - North Korea of Europe.
06:46 PM LeelooMinai: There's no way now out of it without violence and blood - either from inside or outside.
06:47 PM LeelooMinai: And the party that did this is called "Law And Justice" - what a joke.
06:48 PM LeelooMinai: There's something wrong with 2017
06:49 PM LeelooMinai: Must be the prime number or something.
08:01 PM rockwell: Anyone know any easy way to configure the powerflex 40 VFD. I assumed it would work out of the box with +10v on signal points but It does not appear to work.
08:02 PM rockwell: Is this something I can manually configure or will I need to use some kind of software and special communications cable?
08:03 PM cradek: do you have a manual? VFDs have all kinds of esoteric ways of configuring
08:03 PM rockwell: its very light
08:03 PM rockwell: I assume everything gets easy with a software interface
08:03 PM cradek: you'd at least have different problems
08:04 PM cradek: I prefer to look at the manual and set parameters directly on the front panel, even if it's tedious, because I know that will always work
08:05 PM rockwell: the front panel I have only has 1 btton
08:05 PM cradek: yuck
08:05 PM rockwell: otherise I would prefer that in this situation
08:05 PM cradek: can you un-buy it?
08:06 PM rockwell: I should just assume they expect me to purchace a front panel and or software
08:06 PM rockwell: I could but it would make more sense at this point to purchase a used programming panel then remove it after the programming is done
08:07 PM cradek: I hope you figure it out!
08:07 PM rockwell: I'll let you all know the hard way to do it at the very least
08:08 PM cradek: :-)
08:13 PM rockwell: this will be my first adventure http://www.ab.com/linked/drives/driveexplorer/free_download.html
08:13 PM cradek: Windows 2000 / XP / Vista
08:13 PM cradek: wow
08:18 PM rockwell: welcome to the future
08:31 PM MrHindsight is now known as CaptHindsight
08:32 PM CaptHindsight: will there ever come a day where they use Linux to configure controls?
08:36 PM jdh: no.
08:37 PM humble_sea_bass: so i've been working with this firm that does railroad infrastructure and have yet to come across a device that isnt programmed with a very ghetto XP laptop, not counting the analog relay logic stuff which is probably more reliable than the xp machines littered throughout
08:37 PM malcom2073_: The oil industry is the same way.
08:38 PM jdh: afaik, almost all industry is the same way
08:38 PM malcom2073_: We have a gas distribution plant that runs on a really old windows 2000 machine that everyone is so scared will someday die heh
08:38 PM jdh: I keep a couple of xp laptops at work
08:39 PM jdh: heh. really old win2k.
08:39 PM Tom_itx: if they're so scared they should take steps...
08:39 PM humble_sea_bass: no tom, no!
08:39 PM jdh: it can't be that old if it is win2k
08:39 PM malcom2073_: Tom_itx: They are, they've bought backup 20 year old hardware in reserve :)
08:39 PM humble_sea_bass: you will anger the XP machine at substation 7
08:39 PM malcom2073_: I've reverse engineered a couple protocols to move us away from old machines
08:40 PM malcom2073_: but that one in particular is a bit too close to safety than I'd like to touch
08:40 PM jdh: I have some really nice expensive cabinets full of late 70's to mid 90's hw spares'
08:41 PM Tom_itx: sitting there letting all the caps dry out
08:41 PM jdh: yeah. oddly, all my cap problems are from newer stuff
08:41 PM humble_sea_bass: I've found that most systems, when new, were held together by twine and chewing gum with lots of poorly documented layers over the years, if you're bright and young you can tackle replacing/cataloguing what the fuck is suppose to happen, but if you cause a track outage
08:42 PM jdh: I'm replacing my two most ancient systems in a few months. no more pdp11's
08:42 PM humble_sea_bass: it is like icarus flying too close to the sun
08:42 PM malcom2073_: humble_sea_bass: That's what has scared me off of trying to replace the system. In our case, it operates pretty much with zero profit margins, so any downtime would take forever to maek up the cost of.
08:43 PM Tom_itx: sounds like most safety issues. someone must die before anything is done
08:44 PM malcom2073_: Nah, lots of safeties in place, it'll shut down if anything goes wrong
08:44 PM Tom_itx: well, unless OSHA shows up first
08:44 PM malcom2073_: hardware safeties
08:44 PM Tom_itx: i meant more the mentality
08:44 PM malcom2073_: Yeah
08:45 PM humble_sea_bass: one of my local transit agencies has been issuing these design/build contracts which make you replicate functionality, and splice dummy signals into the new system for like two weeks to see if you screwed it
08:46 PM humble_sea_bass: and then maybe they'll allow switchover on a saturday and hope you've troubleshot evrything for the monday rushhour
08:46 PM malcom2073_: Test test and test some more
08:46 PM malcom2073_: Then pray at the end heh
08:48 PM humble_sea_bass: the sad part is nobody at the agencies seem to know how things are actually supposed to work, so years-old workarounds and exceptions get baked into things
08:49 PM * Tom_itx hands humble_sea_bass another box of bandaids
08:49 PM jb__: Anybody got an idea why machine (the cpu box) reboots randomly in middle of LINUXCNC demo program ; noob
08:53 PM LeelooMinai: overheating?
08:54 PM LeelooMinai: Run a temperature monitor to diagnose this and observe during that demo.
08:56 PM jb__: What/Where tool new to linux
08:56 PM LeelooMinai: What is it debian, ubuntu?
08:57 PM jb__: I thought you would ask: ubuntu
08:57 PM jb__: Just switched because of other problems
08:58 PM LeelooMinai: jb__: Easy to research: just google "sensor monitor", for example: https://askubuntu.com/questions/449898/cpu-temperature-monitor-for-14-04lts
08:58 PM LeelooMinai: You mostly want temperatures for CPU and GPU
08:59 PM sync: malcom2073_: win2000 sounds very newage
08:59 PM malcom2073_: It did, and does
08:59 PM LeelooMinai: jb__: Maybe that psensor one will do.
08:59 PM sync: I had to work on some safety controllers running some strange hpux variant
08:59 PM sync: *really* annoying
09:00 PM jb__: I ll put a fan on it too
09:00 PM LeelooMinai: jb__: Looks like what you want: https://i.stack.imgur.com/v9YS8.png
09:00 PM LeelooMinai: jb__: No, don't change anything - first diagnose the current setup.
09:00 PM malcom2073_: Heh
09:00 PM LeelooMinai: jb__: Then you go from there.
09:00 PM jb__: Si
09:01 PM sync: in the end it was replaced with a non sil rated wago plc, but eh, it's only an issue if someone dies
09:01 PM malcom2073_: Hah yeah
09:01 PM jdh: sil is overrated most of the time.
09:02 PM LeelooMinai: It's an issue if someone dies and you cannot hide the body:)
09:03 PM Tom_itx: sure you can
09:03 PM Tom_itx: ask the mob
09:03 PM LeelooMinai: I know, all you need is a "cleaner" person:)
09:04 PM jb__: Thanks for now until I get that cpu temp_mon
09:04 PM LeelooMinai: Kind of reminds me when Stephen King appeared on the Sons of Anarchy as one - it was pretty funny.
09:05 PM sync: well, you can just throw the person in the water and it'll most likely never be seen again
09:05 PM sync: but that is frowned upon
09:05 PM LeelooMinai: Well, from what I have seen you want caustic bath instead...
09:06 PM jb__: Breaking Bad proved that
09:07 PM LeelooMinai: In SoA the King/cleaner appeared on a bike, did not say a word, pulled out a ruler, measured the body like he was some kind of scientist, then when leaving someone asked him about the body and he just said "what body?" and left:p
09:08 PM sync: well, there is a lot of water in the north sea
09:09 PM LeelooMinai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXU0uq-B6F8 :)
09:09 PM sync: malcom2073_: it's interesting how some companies give a fuck and most just give enough of a fuck not to look bad
09:10 PM malcom2073_: How much is "feel good" worth?
09:10 PM malcom2073_: Not very much heh
09:12 PM sync: more like how much is their reputation worth, but yeah
09:12 PM sync: or their worker safety (lel)
09:13 PM LeelooMinai: In the past I would say it's important, but nowadays I am not sure - seems that probably as long as the company is profitable, no one cares about such minor details.
09:19 PM malcom2073_: One of the reasons I like working for a small company, you can often sniff that out fairly quick and get a feel for if you should run
09:25 PM BeachBumPete: runnin' inlet test part Deaux finally.... :)
10:21 PM tiwake: yaqwsx: poke
10:50 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L