Jul 16 2017
12:24 AM Crom: busy weekend.... spent most of the day timing a 4 thread serger... NOT FUN!, spent yesterday fixing 3 Brother cs6000i sewing machines.... One was some gooey stuff on the hook causing thread gather on the bottom, One was a bent needle and needle bar, and last was a tension disc not releasing when foot was raised and causing same thread gather on the bottom like the first machine but a completely different cause.
12:26 AM XXCoder: looks like fun
12:26 AM Crom: tomorow I time the 5 thread serger here at the house
12:26 AM Crom: should only take 3/4 of a day
02:17 AM Crom: hmmmm that would be an interesting project... stepper driven serger... 2 steppers for feed dogs, stepper for needles, stepper for lower looper stepper for upper looper
02:17 AM Crom: , and stepper for trimmer
02:18 AM Crom: 5 or 6 axis...
02:18 AM XXCoder: stepper for needles errrr
02:19 AM archivist: use servos, steppers probably not fast enough
02:20 AM Crom: yeah I need to learn servo's
02:21 AM IchGucksLive: mornig from germany
02:21 AM XXCoder: hey
02:21 AM Crom: sergers get to 8000 stitch per minute
02:21 AM IchGucksLive: Crom: there are cheep 8Nm closed loop
02:21 AM IchGucksLive: with a 5i25 /6i25
02:22 AM IchGucksLive: you can go 12m with 700ACC with 0,01mm accuracy
02:24 AM IchGucksLive: its then may Accuracy at max speed on max torque
02:26 AM IchGucksLive: moin Deejay
02:26 AM Deejay: moin
02:26 AM archivist: Crom, there is a linuxcnc dev who has industrial stitching under linuxcnc
02:28 AM IchGucksLive: archivist tepending on workspace there are real cheep 4 color stitchers out on market
02:28 AM IchGucksLive: for cap size even cheeper
02:28 AM archivist: cheap is NOT the requirement of all users in here
02:28 AM archivist: remember that
02:29 AM Deejay: cheap as in pricy or as in crap? ;)
02:29 AM IchGucksLive: yeah i know that butt somtimes they got in a straight lcnc valley
02:30 AM IchGucksLive: and want to do all stuff homemade
02:30 AM archivist: if you read the thread correctly this is on a particular machine
02:31 AM Crom: I think I'm more on the crap end of things...]
02:32 AM Vq: Good morning folks
02:32 AM archivist: you have a speed problem though with all the small fast moving parts
02:36 AM IchGucksLive: Crom: is the mashine for patches or thingls like basecaps
02:36 AM IchGucksLive: Vq: morning
02:39 AM IchGucksLive: ok im off 2 garden Crom look on the Singer 7285 USB or the 6180 sdCard there are simular ones from all stritching mashine producer in the world
02:40 AM archivist: why does he think you want to buy a machine
02:41 AM XXCoder: dunno
04:40 AM XXCoder: hey tumdedum
04:40 AM XXCoder: er TurBoss
04:40 AM TurBoss: morning
04:41 AM TurBoss: Sup XXCoder
04:41 AM TurBoss: tuRdBoss
04:41 AM XXCoder: bored and browsing mcmansion
04:41 AM XXCoder: theres insane bad designs for houses I will never be able to afford.
04:42 AM TurBoss: is thnat good or bad?
04:42 AM XXCoder: mcmansionhell.com/post/160021733076/50-states-of-mcmansion-hell-polk-county-iowa
04:42 AM XXCoder: its 1995 house, on sale for $700,000. enjoy reading
04:45 AM XXCoder: that house actually isnt too bad compared to others
04:48 AM XXCoder: http://68.media.tumblr.com/f576a22ebcf21f3e0a5fd37987e35deb/tumblr_inline_ooojdifKCc1sppt0x_1280.png
04:48 AM XXCoder: "let's just talk normally and pretend a bed isn't there." lol
04:50 AM TurBoss: http://hackaday.com/2017/07/15/irising-chicken-coop-door/ lol?
04:50 AM TurBoss: JT is that you?
04:50 AM XXCoder: lol
04:50 AM XXCoder: "How does it avoid decapitating chickens?"
04:51 AM TurBoss: not a real need
04:51 AM TurBoss: :D
04:51 AM XXCoder: did you see pic linked there?
04:51 AM TurBoss: the one of the housE?
04:51 AM XXCoder: yeah master bedroom
04:54 AM XXCoder: http://mcmansionhell.com/post/161596567451/50-states-of-mcmansion-hell-norfolk-county lol
04:54 AM XXCoder: 1996 house, $830,000
04:55 AM TurBoss: I like the Cable
04:56 AM XXCoder: one of very strange thing about that house? master room has stairs.
04:56 AM XXCoder: 2 floor master bedroom?
04:58 AM XXCoder: 2nd bathroom deadly as heck
04:58 AM XXCoder: house is probably on sale because someone died or got disabled there
04:59 AM TurBoss: hohoh
04:59 AM XXCoder: creepy time: http://68.media.tumblr.com/b9173dcbb23820634d6c54a9a5e35286/tumblr_inline_or8zah1oAO1sppt0x_1280.png
05:03 AM XXCoder: I simply don't understand why there is door between rooms
05:05 AM XXCoder: TurBoss: enjoyed those pages? lol
05:05 AM TurBoss: not sure
05:05 AM TurBoss: :_D
05:05 AM XXCoder: lol
05:06 AM XXCoder: I still dont understand why anyone wants fast food dining area in home
05:07 AM XXCoder: there is one that is vaguely mcdonald-like
05:09 AM TurBoss: https://imgur.com/x58rXID
05:10 AM TurBoss: archivist: I didn't show you the BOB working with the relay
05:11 AM TurBoss: replaced a serial -> i2c - relay board
05:12 AM TurBoss: this drives the spindle
05:12 AM TurBoss: 0.5KW
05:14 AM XXCoder: 500w not bad
05:14 AM XXCoder: making cnc something?
05:14 AM TurBoss: its done
05:14 AM TurBoss: or .. what do you mean?
05:15 AM XXCoder: I saw pic and wondered what you was working on :0
05:15 AM XXCoder: :)
05:16 AM XXCoder: cnc mill or router?
05:16 AM TurBoss: router
05:16 AM XXCoder: nice
05:17 AM TurBoss: uploading pic
05:17 AM TurBoss: of the whole thing
05:17 AM TurBoss: https://m.imgur.com/aKuLfKZ
05:18 AM XXCoder: interesting
05:18 AM XXCoder: you gonna clear out fog tho ;)
05:18 AM XXCoder: wish I had space to nicely arrange my machine tho :P
05:19 AM TurBoss: :)
05:20 AM XXCoder: you build whole thing?
05:21 AM TurBoss: not the X Axis
05:22 AM XXCoder: cool
05:22 AM TurBoss: but the X spindled was bended
05:23 AM TurBoss: now is fixed
05:26 AM XXCoder: nice. whats you usually make with it?
05:27 AM TurBoss: relief
05:27 AM TurBoss: samples
05:29 AM XXCoder: cool
05:29 AM XXCoder: mine is all test stuff so far
05:30 AM TurBoss: 15x10 cm == 50MB program
05:30 AM TurBoss: surfacing
05:30 AM XXCoder: huh just surfacing shouldn't tajke a 50 mb program
05:30 AM XXCoder: unless you use some tiny tool
05:31 AM XXCoder: considering your collet size limitions it may well be
05:32 AM TurBoss: 1.5mm ball 0.12
05:32 AM XXCoder: dang
05:32 AM TurBoss: using blenderCAM
05:33 AM TurBoss: a blender Addon
05:33 AM TurBoss: its slow to calculate and generates huge files
05:33 AM TurBoss: slow compared to comercial ones
05:33 AM XXCoder: I tried estlcam, seems pretty decent
05:33 AM XXCoder: I need tpo buy it lol
05:34 AM TurBoss: no libre...
05:34 AM XXCoder: there is few free ones, none work well and can run on linux
05:35 AM XXCoder: estlcam is quite cheap
05:35 AM TurBoss: FreeCad is working o a PAth workbench
05:36 AM XXCoder: yep
05:36 AM XXCoder: its still quite ugky
05:36 AM XXCoder: just like my spelling
05:36 AM TurBoss: :)
05:36 AM TurBoss: is young
05:40 AM XXCoder: yeah
05:40 AM XXCoder: 0.17 seems more decent there
05:40 AM XXCoder: but file save format is not stable yet
05:57 AM TurBoss: byw
05:57 AM TurBoss: bye
06:07 AM jthornton: morning
06:07 AM Deejay: hey
06:15 AM archivist: from the glue gun design department http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cnc-Router-Rotary-Axis-With-80mm-A-Axis-3-Jaw-Accessory-Attachment-/152291014427
06:17 AM XXCoder: high end.
06:17 AM XXCoder: it has real jaws
06:21 AM archivist: with real lies "Closed-Loop Control, No Longer Lose Any Steps, Up To Its Maximum Torque"
06:22 AM XXCoder: it may well be truth, it might break apart before it loses steps
06:23 AM archivist: it also has two max frequencies
06:33 AM pink_vampire: hi
06:37 AM XXCoder: heys
06:41 AM jthornton: hey
06:43 AM pink_vampire: I need small vise, like the old style tool maker vise, but none hardened
06:43 AM pink_vampire: I want to drill and tap the bottom of it
06:51 AM jthornton: make one...
07:10 AM XXCoder: yo
07:12 AM jthornton: yo
07:14 AM pink_vampire: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1FVFxRVXXXXXwXVXXq6xXFXXXr/Light-Emitting-Professional-font-b-YoYo-b-font-font-b-Ball-b-font-font-b-Bearing.jpg
07:14 AM pink_vampire: XXCoder: jthornton^
07:15 AM XXCoder: plan to make one?
07:15 AM jthornton: funny looking vise
07:15 AM XXCoder: very spinny vise
07:16 AM pink_vampire: LOL
08:31 AM archivist: ew glue gun design department been at it again http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EleksMaker-XY-2-Axis-CNC-Laser-Drawing-Engraving-Machine-Printer-Pen-Plotter/162493072613
08:32 AM pink_vampire: LOL
08:33 AM malcom2073: Nice
08:33 AM malcom2073: I've seen those before, they actually work suprisingly well as small plotters
08:33 AM archivist: but it has cnc it teh title!
08:33 AM malcom2073: Well they run off gcode, they are reprap electronics
08:34 AM archivist: that is spelled repcrap
08:34 AM malcom2073: Laugh all you want, it's gained quite wide acceptance. We have two printers at work that run those same electronics and use them every day :P
08:35 AM * archivist was pointing at mechanics not electronics
10:03 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
10:04 AM BeachBumPete: Hey Ich
10:04 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
10:08 AM Deejay: 07
10:09 AM Deejay: eh, o7
10:09 AM Deejay: ;)
10:10 AM IchGucksLive: Deejay: sun is coming out tonight :O
10:11 AM Deejay: midnight sun?
10:12 AM * Deejay is not in polar region
10:43 AM IchGucksLive: im off later tour finish
11:24 AM Phipliv: afternoon
11:25 AM Phipliv: fun weekend. Hose on a propane cylinder split and sprayed lit liquid propane on me and my dad...
11:25 AM Phipliv: thankfully burns arent too bad
11:26 AM CaptHindsight: archivist: http://www.oddee.com/item_97024.aspx sure beats making these by hand
11:36 AM Phipliv: it is not too bad considering what happened!
11:37 AM Phipliv: I recommend body hair! Really helps deflect flame
11:37 AM Phipliv: my worst burns are where my arm hair ends!
11:38 AM Phipliv: Never shaving off my facial hair :)
11:39 AM BeachBumPete: surprised you have any left LOL
11:40 AM Phipliv: Not much hair on my arm and my dad's hair is now a bit lopsided
11:40 AM BeachBumPete: this kinda reminds me of a funny story
11:40 AM Phipliv: heh
11:40 AM BeachBumPete: years ago when I was a kid
11:41 AM BeachBumPete: my uncle lived near my grandparents here in florida
11:41 AM Phipliv: does it involve the smell of burnt hair?
11:41 AM BeachBumPete: sure does ;)
11:41 AM JT-Shop: lol
11:41 AM Phipliv: :)
11:41 AM BeachBumPete: well my uncle is a big italian guy think mafia hitman look but nicer LOL
11:41 AM Phipliv: NHS++
11:41 AM SpeedEvil: Phipliv: pro-pain.
11:41 AM BeachBumPete: anyways he had just moved in
11:42 AM SpeedEvil: Phipliv: glad you're OK.
11:42 AM BeachBumPete: so he was furnishing his new house while I was staying at my grandparents house down the street
11:42 AM SpeedEvil: Imagine the damage if it had been a cylinder of coal that had exploded
11:42 AM Phipliv: Thanks SpeedEvil
11:42 AM BeachBumPete: he bought this very expensive nice new stainless steel grill
11:43 AM BeachBumPete: so he calls me and asks me if I thought I could put the damn thing together for him
11:43 AM BeachBumPete: I was like sure I like a challenge
11:43 AM BeachBumPete: apparently he had never had a gas grill before
11:43 AM BeachBumPete: so while he was out with his wife buying more furniture I went over there and started putting it together
11:44 AM BeachBumPete: I got it all assembled and looking perfect and hooked up the gas
11:44 AM BeachBumPete: it fired right up and worked great
11:44 AM BeachBumPete: so I went back to my grandparents house
11:44 AM Phipliv: and...
11:44 AM SpeedEvil: I think I see where this is going.
11:44 AM BeachBumPete: my uncle gets home later and calls me telling me that he had bought some nice thick steaks and to bring grandparents over for dinner
11:45 AM BeachBumPete: we were like GREAT
11:45 AM BeachBumPete: then about five minutes later he calls me back and says the damn grill is not working right
11:45 AM BeachBumPete: so I run back over there to his house
11:45 AM BeachBumPete: I get there and he is standing there in his bathing suit trying to work the new grill
11:46 AM Phipliv: :s
11:46 AM BeachBumPete: he has a big fat hairy chest LOL
11:46 AM BeachBumPete: so he says eey you did not put it together right or somethin
11:46 AM BeachBumPete: I said it worked fine earlier
11:46 AM BeachBumPete: so he is playing with the knobs and whatnot
11:46 AM BeachBumPete: I said did you push the button???
11:46 AM Phipliv: Heh
11:47 AM BeachBumPete: before I realized what I just said he reaches over to push the button
11:47 AM BeachBumPete: of course the gas had been on for awhile LOL
11:47 AM SpeedEvil: :)
11:47 AM BeachBumPete: then BOOOMM
11:47 AM SpeedEvil: I was wrong, I thought it was going to be he'd tried to feed it charcoal
11:47 AM Phipliv: lessons learned?
11:47 AM BeachBumPete: it flashes up and he turns around and all of the hair on his chest and even his eyebrows are bare
11:47 AM BeachBumPete: hes like WTF happened!!
11:48 AM BeachBumPete: I laughed my azz off once I realized he was ok
11:48 AM BeachBumPete: you should have seen the flash bomb and the look on his face haha
11:50 AM Phipliv: My dad used to work in a clayware with gas fired kilns
11:50 AM Phipliv: not many people there had eyebrows
11:50 AM BeachBumPete: LOL
11:51 AM Phipliv: auto starters didn't work. People used to light them by hand
11:51 AM Phipliv: ... they weren't designed for it
12:05 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:05 PM IchGucksLive: BeachBumPete: blowing up yourself is not always a good idee
12:06 PM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel2: is there a better inverter for 8bit then the 540
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: hi deep-book-gk_
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: im off have a nice day
01:55 PM cncnoob: Hey guys, does anyone have experience with the tool_change.ngc file used for probing that was uploaded here?
01:55 PM cncnoob: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/5596-manual-tool-change-tool-lengh-touch-off?start=30#48235
01:57 PM phipli: and home
02:00 PM cncnoob: I keep getting an error right after a tool change that says my Z axis positive movement will be exceeded by line 120, regardless of what program I'm running or what tool I'm changing to.
02:01 PM cncnoob: @pink_vampire
02:04 PM cncnoob: http://imgur.com/a/uMz7B
02:05 PM JT-Shop: hey crusty
02:06 PM BeachBumPete: jeez a guy named CNC noob has a working toolchanger and I have been working on mine for what 2 years now? LOL
02:07 PM cncnoob: BeachBumPete not working well enough :/
02:07 PM BeachBumPete: how about not working at ALL!!
02:08 PM JT-Shop: this may be important "In the tool-change.ngc file, the CONFIGURATION PARAMETERS section must be set to match your machine."
02:08 PM BeachBumPete: oh you mean yours is not working well enough hehehe ;)
02:08 PM cncnoob: Yeah, I don't actually get to the "change" part
02:08 PM cncnoob: It measures the length of the first tool fabulously though!
02:09 PM JT-Shop: pretty busy file for sure
02:09 PM cncnoob: JT-Shop, yeah, I would guess it is a problem with my config in that file, but I have everything set to match my machine I believe
02:09 PM cncnoob: I've gone over it several times
02:09 PM cncnoob: I keep looking at line 120 and my vars file to try and determine what is going on
02:10 PM cncnoob: But I'm at a loss
02:11 PM cncnoob: The file references #5183 on line 120. I made a copy of linuxcnc.var before the tool change and after the tool change and that variable doesn't change... it stays 0
02:13 PM phipli: JT-Shop: is that "crusty" aimed at me? :p
02:13 PM BeachBumPete: I dunno I'm kinda crusty right now....sunburn from surfin' at the beach yesterday morning hehe
02:14 PM phipli: heh
02:15 PM cncnoob: Looking at that line (line 120) I'm having a hard time understanding how I can successfully go from a short tool to a long tool
02:15 PM phipli: BeachBumPete: don't underestimate me... my last lot of sunburn hasn't healed fully yet :)
02:15 PM BeachBumPete: Oh so you think your sunburn is better than mine I suppose?
02:16 PM BeachBumPete: right now my forehead feels like its been powdercoated
02:16 PM phipli: probably is better... nearly healed
02:16 PM BeachBumPete: damn waterproof sunblock sux
02:16 PM JT-Shop: phipli: in jest yes
02:17 PM BeachBumPete: now I gotta go outside and do a tuneup on my van but its just too damn hot GAAAHHH
02:17 PM * JT-Shop takes apart the ev800 hood again to see if I can move the glasses 1/4"
02:18 PM phipli: JT-Shop: we were /really/ lucky. should have been worse
02:18 PM JT-Shop: I'm surprised your propane tanks allow that to happen
02:19 PM phipli: split hose?
02:20 PM JT-Shop: yea our regulators shut off if the flow rate is too high
02:20 PM phipli: flow rate was pretty high to start with
02:28 PM mrme: hi there
02:29 PM mrme: is it possible to use an synchronus servo with incremental encoder together with an normal fu which supports synchronus motors and a mesa card as an axis motor?
03:11 PM JT-Shop: it's above my pay scale but I think the sticky part is the incremental encoder but I may be wrong
03:34 PM Crom: BeachBumPete: oh yeah.. I need to check the oil in the wifes van
04:45 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, fail - Poland copied Trump and the whole MAGA thing and the government is just about to take over the court system. Bye bye Poland:(
04:46 PM pcw_home: MPGA
04:46 PM LeelooMinai: There's thousands of people on the street, but the prime minister is controlled by Polish-Trump, so probably too late.
04:48 PM LeelooMinai: Er, the president even.
04:49 PM LeelooMinai: Now they will be North Korea of Europe - wonderful:/
04:53 PM sync: that started a few years ago
04:54 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, but it got propelled into new heights by copying USA and Trump.
04:54 PM LeelooMinai: They are in full steam ahead mode now.
04:57 PM dioz: you're making it sound like it's a bad thing
04:57 PM dioz: can i ask why?
04:58 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: You think that government having total control of the court system is a good idea? :)
04:58 PM dioz: i advocate for a strong state
04:58 PM dioz: i don't think diversity is a good thing
04:59 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: What are you interneting from Korea or something? :p
04:59 PM dioz: next you'll tell me biological abnormalities are normal and equality of outcome is better than equality of opportuniy
05:00 PM LeelooMinai: abnormalities normal is an oxymoron...
05:00 PM LeelooMinai: They are not normal by definition:)
05:01 PM dioz: so would you say... homosexuality, for example, is normal?
05:01 PM LeelooMinai: :(
05:01 PM dioz: somewhere between 1 and 5% of people are homosexual.
05:01 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Do you want to depress me with this trolling or what?
05:02 PM dioz: just trying to see how logical you are
05:02 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: By trying illogical statements? :)
05:03 PM dioz: dispute the point refute the logic
05:03 PM dioz: i doubt you can
05:03 PM LeelooMinai: But what logic... You started with the exact opposite of logic.
05:04 PM dioz: what isn't logical?
05:04 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Do you even have some, I don't know, statement/assertion that you want to establish - I am not sure what you are saying.
05:05 PM dioz: well.. you said that having state controlled court system is not a good idea
05:05 PM dioz: yet no ability to elaborate why you think as such
05:06 PM dioz: i was trying to see what other opinions you have that you can't substantiate
05:06 PM LeelooMinai: I thought it's kind of self-evident.
05:06 PM dioz: so self evident you can't give a single reason why?
05:06 PM dioz: should be easy!
05:07 PM LeelooMinai: If the goverment has total control of the court system, it no longer represdents people, there's nothing that can keep it in check, and what happens next is evident in countries that work like that, like, which I mentioned, North Korea. Unless you think this is a wonderful place to live.
05:08 PM dioz: represents the people?
05:08 PM dioz: can you deconstruct that for me?
05:08 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, that's what government job is, no - work for people? :)
05:08 PM dioz: i didn't think it was the court system that represented the people i thought it was the laws and policy that represented the people
05:09 PM LeelooMinai: And who enforces the laws? Santa Clause?
05:09 PM dioz: you tell me. who enforces the laws. the citizens?
05:10 PM LeelooMinai: How about courts making judgments and deciding who is at fault?
05:10 PM dioz: whos courts?
05:11 PM LeelooMinai: What do you mean whos?
05:12 PM dioz: if the government isn't to have control of the courts... who does?
05:12 PM LeelooMinai: In the case of Poland, they want to controll them all - they will be government's courts effectivelly.
05:12 PM dioz: and currently whos courts are they?
05:13 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Currently they can make decisions according to laws, constitution, etc. They have independence, so that the government cannot just do anything they want.
05:14 PM dioz: oooh. so we're talking about something that MIGHT happen
05:14 PM dioz: gotcha
05:15 PM LeelooMinai: No, it's happening right now.
05:15 PM LeelooMinai: Like, literally hours from it - that's why people are on the street trying to stop it.
05:15 PM dioz: you have examples where the government is doing anything they want?
05:15 PM dioz: isn't poland a democracy?
05:16 PM LeelooMinai: The whole point is it's running into an autocracy...
05:16 PM dioz: the whole point is you're saying things that aren't entirely true
05:16 PM dioz: or even partially true for that matter
05:17 PM LeelooMinai: What is not true then?
05:17 PM dioz: there's a pre-supposition that if this happens!!! something bad, in your eyes, will happen.
05:18 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, it will... so?
05:18 PM dioz: yet you have no actual proof that something nefarious is "in the works"
05:18 PM dioz: it's just this empty rhetoric
05:18 PM dioz: based on pre-suppositions and implicit bias
05:19 PM LeelooMinai: It's like saying that murdering someone is ok, because you have no proof that it will be bad afterwards:)
05:19 PM dioz: the biggest problem now days is people aren't held to task for the things they say
05:19 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: the only reason murdering someone is not okay is because we've been indoctrinated in such a way to think as such
05:20 PM dioz: tabula rasa
05:20 PM dioz: unless you're going to suggest morality is objective
05:20 PM dioz: or universal
05:20 PM dioz: i'd love to see you try and claim that
05:20 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: A, ok, in this way everything goes I guess, so what are we even talking about:)
05:21 PM dioz: you tell me. you were the one who was attempting to claim something
05:21 PM dioz: i asked for further information
05:21 PM dioz: you've kind of just side-stepped the whole thing
05:21 PM tiwake: heh, physics and math certainly are
05:22 PM Deejay: gn8
05:22 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Yes, but I operate within, you know, assumption that I am talking to more or less sane person, not a psychopath:)
05:23 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: If you start claiming that murdering people is ok, then it's kind of difficult to argue anything with you - I mean this way you can redefine the whole world into something absurd, and a discussion has no point.
05:23 PM dioz: hah. call me what you wanna call me. you won't trigger an emotional response from me.
05:23 PM dioz: what i find interesting is you have these ideas... but you can't defend them logically
05:23 PM dioz: you just claim a supernatural understanding
05:23 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: I can defend them fine - but, as I wrote, not when talking to an unreasonahble person.
05:24 PM XXCoder: supernatural understanding what to thing to read when got back. :P
05:24 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: should be easy to defend your position if you comprehend it accordingly
05:24 PM dioz: who invented the idea of Social Justice?
05:24 PM LeelooMinai: It would be like trying to defend an argument while talking to a parson with schizophrenia.
05:25 PM dioz: i bet i know more about neo-marxism and the social revolution than you do
05:25 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: No, it's impossible to defend anything if all you have is a wall to talk to:)
05:25 PM dioz: i doubt you even know who Freidrick Engel is... John Rawls...
05:25 PM dioz: Stuart Mills
05:26 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Are those some requirements to be able to talk about anything?
05:26 PM dioz: you should at least understand the history of your political alignment... specially if you're going to claim you can speak knowledgeably on the matters
05:27 PM dioz: what do you reference to prove your points? your "feelings" ?
05:27 PM dioz: heh
05:27 PM XXCoder: monocultures always share same flaw, and could be wiped out by said flaw.
05:27 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: I have no "political alignment". I have a brain and reason and information to process:)
05:27 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: everyone has a political alignment. it's part of your ideology
05:27 PM LeelooMinai: And I know what is going on in Poland is going to be a disaster if not stopped.
05:28 PM dioz: how do you know?
05:28 PM LeelooMinai: It already us, but more of.
05:28 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: How do you know I don't know? :p
05:28 PM XXCoder: dioz: not always. I vote one way usually because most of stuff they do I agree, but in usa 2 party system, its usually vote for less evil more than vote for best possible.
05:29 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: In fact, how do you know anything...
05:29 PM dioz: XXCoder: that is the idea of strategic voting. that doesn't have anything to do with your political alignemnt or your ideologies
05:29 PM XXCoder: you said that people always align to some political group
05:29 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Even more, how do I know that you are even human and not an AI bot? :)
05:30 PM XXCoder: im saying that people does not always do so.
05:30 PM dioz: yah. people always do have political alignments
05:30 PM XXCoder: so you think people magically snap and agree with everything its alignment happen to be?
05:30 PM SpeedEvil: Neca eos omnes. Cthulhu suos agnoscet.
05:30 PM dioz: their alignment? or someone elses alignment?
05:31 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: By "know" I mean "I have close to 100% certainty, based on my observations". Of course, there's a small chance than a God will descend into Poland and everything will turn out great, but it's unlikely:)
05:31 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: and what kind of authority do you actually have on the matter?
05:31 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: What is "authority"?
05:31 PM dioz: from what authority do you speak?
05:32 PM dioz: typically people reference things... and they speak from that authority
05:32 PM XXCoder: dioz: I may be misunderstanding you, you mean by group like republican or democrat or greens so on?
05:32 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: From the authority investen in me by me, myself and I of course.
05:32 PM dioz: i mean... you can make whatever claims you want. sure...
05:32 PM LeelooMinai: invested*
05:32 PM dioz: but idk if you can convince me YOU are correct
05:32 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Yes, I can, so what is the problem? :)
05:32 PM dioz: without some kind of proof
05:33 PM dioz: so now you've back peddled to exactly what i said
05:33 PM phipli: https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--99-mGhly--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/fxsfexvn8qodyrk3clkj.jpg
05:33 PM phipli: have a distraction
05:33 PM XXCoder: some things do not have any ground, just can be compelling arguments and such
05:33 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: But you are not a reasonable person - probably no one can convince you of anything, so, I do not see a point.\
05:33 PM dioz: XXCoder: naw. individuals have personal political alignments. it's part of our individual belief structures.
05:34 PM BeachBumPete: its simple they are just saying ANYTHING TRUMP=BAD everything else=GOOD....trying to argue with them is an exercise in futility.
05:34 PM dioz: BeachBumPete: that is what i find funny
05:34 PM dioz: they don't even try and debate anymore
05:34 PM XXCoder: ah well that does exist though awful people have super inflexability in thinking and inability to change with new facts
05:34 PM dioz: it's just "trump=bad"
05:34 PM dioz: it isn't a matter of logic or understanding why they have the beliefs. or referencing anything of authority
05:34 PM dioz: it's just "i feel"
05:34 PM dioz: I FEEEEEEEEEEEELS!
05:35 PM XXCoder: there is nothing sacred to me, literally.
05:35 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: it isn't a matter of convincing me. it's a matter of proving it to me.
05:35 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: O, I see, the "gas lighting" strategy - pretend that Trump is a normal person, etc. and the people who think logically use feelings:)
05:35 PM dioz: that is why i asked you if you believe that homosexuality is normal
05:36 PM XXCoder: LeelooMinai: not all progressives think logically sadly
05:36 PM dioz: and we'll define normal as "the usual"
05:36 PM XXCoder: dioz: it is.
05:36 PM BeachBumPete: I would come to your aid here but I must tell you that we are in a room full of liberal leaning people who mostly agree with that assumption.
05:36 PM XXCoder: over 200 species is found to have that
05:36 PM dioz: XXCoder: so you'd say that a group of people that represent under 5% of the population is the usual?
05:36 PM XXCoder: yes.
05:36 PM LeelooMinai: BeachBumPete: One of probably few remaining, but you work on it not being so.
05:36 PM dioz: so you'd also say that pedophalia is normal as well then?
05:36 PM XXCoder: gender is not black and white. just that very large percent is at edge cases
05:36 PM dioz: i mean it happens within other species... so it's normal
05:37 PM XXCoder: slippy slope illogic argument
05:37 PM dioz: you went there
05:37 PM XXCoder: we are talking about gender.
05:37 PM dioz: you said it happens in other species
05:37 PM XXCoder: not preferences.
05:37 PM dioz: that makes it normal
05:37 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: "usual" is not a definition of anything... It's about as specific as normal.
05:37 PM SpeedEvil: http://i.imgur.com/4qeSQnW.jpg on politics
05:38 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: if you get 10 people in a group and you ask them what their favorite colors are... and 9 out of 10 of the people say blue and one person says yellow
05:38 PM XXCoder: whats wrong with men that prefers men, and women that prefers women?
05:38 PM dioz: it is safe to say that using averages
05:38 PM XXCoder: it affects literally nothing to you
05:38 PM dioz: and statistics
05:38 PM dioz: the normal color preference for that group is blue
05:38 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: OK, so what's your point?
05:38 PM dioz: we're discussing the definition of the word normal... and the usual
05:38 PM LeelooMinai: I mean, say 1 in 20 people are homosexual... and?
05:39 PM dioz: it's way less than 1 in 20
05:39 PM XXCoder: colleration is not causation
05:39 PM LeelooMinai: Whatever:) But what is the point?
05:39 PM dioz: the point is... sometimes babies are born with no arms and no legs... but sometimes it happens. that doesn't mean i can suggest that it is normal for babies with no arms and no legs to be born
05:39 PM LeelooMinai: Probably 1/100 people has ears of certain length too...
05:40 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: You did not get a memo that people are not identical?
05:40 PM dioz: so you're saying it's normal for a human to be born with no arms and no legs?
05:40 PM XXCoder: know whats really weird? many of politicans that was very against homosexuals was later exposed to use tinder and such services lol
05:40 PM dioz: statistically speaking
05:40 PM dioz: ...
05:40 PM LeelooMinai: I still have no idea what is your "argument"...
05:40 PM dioz: you're sandbagging
05:41 PM XXCoder: dioz: lol you're talking to me, who has bunch of genetic flaws.
05:41 PM LeelooMinai: No, I am trying to find out what exactly you are claiming.
05:41 PM dioz: it's called statistical analysis
05:41 PM XXCoder: homosexual is not genetic nor development problems,.
05:41 PM XXCoder: like I said, gender is not black/white.
05:41 PM dioz: if less than 5% of the population is homosexual. is homosexuality "the usual" a.k.a "normal" a.k.a "something that happens as often as heterosxuality" ?
05:42 PM XXCoder: dioz: there is one shelled species, 95% is spirling lefthand, and 5% is righthand spirl. is latter abnormal?
05:42 PM JT-Shop: didn't the nazi's study head size and features
05:42 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: I mean, I agree on the statistic part, etc., but I have no idea what is your point, seriously. There's less homosexual than heterosexual people statistically and...?
05:42 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: yep! they even marked certain tribe of black people Aryans due to that.
05:43 PM dioz: you're sandbagging
05:43 PM XXCoder: sandbagging?
05:43 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: You want all people to be clones of some "standard" or what?
05:43 PM dioz: so you'd say that homosexuality is normal?
05:43 PM XXCoder: it is.
05:43 PM dioz: the standard is the people that you live amongst... lol
05:43 PM dioz: your social group
05:43 PM XXCoder: my socal group? who?
05:43 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: It's normal, just less prevalent in population.
05:43 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: so what makes it normal then?
05:43 PM dioz: the fact that it exists?
05:44 PM dioz: so you'd also suggest that a baby being born with no arms and no legs is normal?
05:44 PM dioz: it happens!
05:44 PM XXCoder: strawman logic fallacy
05:44 PM dioz: it isn't strawman... lol
05:44 PM dioz: it's called statistics
05:45 PM XXCoder: so if it changes so 95% of population is gay, it is your normal now?
05:45 PM dioz: for something to be "usual" or "normal" amongst the social group it has to be a statistically large portion of the population
05:45 PM * JT-Shop goes to the other shop to pull out the pipe bender and get ready to make some cat bypass pipes
05:45 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: The fact that it was happening and keeps happening within those smaller percentages, yes. That makes it normal in the statistical sense. In fact, in that sense ever people with two heads are normal, just very unprobable:)
05:46 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: so with that logic you'd also have to suggest that pedophaelia is normal
05:46 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: That's just how you define "normal" - that's silly. You can define it that normal is more than 3.1415%... but who cares?
05:46 PM dioz: you'd have to suggest that downs-sydrom is normal
05:46 PM XXCoder: down-syndome is develment problem... so no.
05:46 PM dioz: but it happens...
05:46 PM XXCoder: shit happens.
05:47 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Yes, in that sense anything is normal, if occurs consistently within the usual percentage. But, more of the point is that there's no point on arguing what "normal" is if you don't have precise definition.
05:47 PM dioz: there is a definition for the word normal though
05:47 PM XXCoder: honestly there is no normal
05:47 PM dioz: it's actually a dictionary word
05:47 PM dioz: it has a definition
05:47 PM XXCoder: not in relation to human culture and so on
05:47 PM dioz: we can definitely define normal
05:47 PM LeelooMinai: and even if you create precise definitioin for "normal", who cares about it...
05:48 PM dioz: hah.. and apparently i'm the one who's without logic
05:48 PM dioz: lol
05:48 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: No you cannot definitely define it - it's a word that people use, with everyone using it a bit differently, so forget it - it's not possible.
05:48 PM JT-Shop: one thing for sure everyone is different...
05:48 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: it has a definition though
05:49 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Do you also want to define word "nice"?
05:49 PM pcw_home: nothings normal
05:49 PM dioz: JT-Shop: statistically speaking we are much more the same than we are different...
05:49 PM dioz: except men and women
05:49 PM dioz: there are huge differences between men and women
05:49 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: No, it has many definitions depending on what dictionary you use, etc. It's not math or physics.
05:49 PM dioz: if you want to know... i'll reference the "big 5 personality traits"
05:49 PM dioz: there are HUGE differences between men and women
05:49 PM LeelooMinai: Normal is what normal does basically:)
05:50 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Only on average.
05:50 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: normally humans are born with 2 arms and 2 legs and 2 eyes and 2 years and 1 mouth and 1 nose
05:50 PM dioz: normally people are born with either a penis or a vagina
05:50 PM dioz: i'm not sure what you think is normal
05:50 PM dioz: but... that stuff is normal to me
05:50 PM XXCoder: dioz: yep and brain gender does not always match body gender
05:51 PM XXCoder: or it happen to fall somewhere in gender range
05:51 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Well, that's one way of looking at it. But how about: it's normal for people to sometimes be born with defects.
05:51 PM dioz: XXCoder: that's a different argument all together... one which i won't debate at this point
05:51 PM dioz: we're attempting to come to a reasonable understanding of what is normal within the confines of the social group we live in
05:51 PM dioz: you guys are supposing that a child born with no legs and no arms is a normal child
05:51 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: But it's futile. Normal is not definable precisly and that's it.
05:51 PM pcw_home: Stupid and useless concept
05:52 PM XXCoder: pcw_home: you mean normality? yep
05:52 PM BeachBumPete: why?
05:52 PM XXCoder: because everyone is literally different.
05:52 PM XXCoder: no exceptions.
05:52 PM XXCoder: not even twins
05:52 PM dioz: everyone isn't born with 2 arms and 2 legs?
05:52 PM XXCoder: nope
05:52 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: There's no way you can define normal in some strict sense and have all people agree - just encode it in your brain imo, if you don't understand it, because it's a fact.
05:53 PM dioz: how about a large majority of people?
05:53 PM XXCoder: majority is not 100%
05:53 PM dioz: are a large majority of people born with 2 arms and 2 legs?
05:53 PM XXCoder: so all people born with 2 arms and 2 legs exactly alike?
05:53 PM XXCoder: by that definition I am normal
05:53 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: As for a person saying to use logic, you are strangely hooked up on vague words. Shouldn't you operate with, I don't know, numbers? :)
05:54 PM XXCoder: and same as you, dioz
05:54 PM dioz: in the sense that they all have 2 arms and 2 legs yes. statistically speaking
05:54 PM dioz: lol
05:54 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: If you talk statistics, use numbers or get lost imo:/
05:54 PM dioz: we aren't talking metaphysical differences in ideological beliefs
05:55 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: i did. less than 5% of the population is homosexual. greater than 95% of the population is heterosexual. it is NORMAL to be heterosexual
05:55 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: You cannot have it both ways. Want to talk normal - write poetry. Want to talk numbers - ok, we can have statistics.
05:55 PM dioz: i'm not sure what logic you're gonna attempt to use to convince me that a very very very small minority of people is "the norm"
05:55 PM dioz: or infact "usual"
05:55 PM XXCoder: dioz: though I have found this fact to be true: For each group there is a subgroup with something different, all way to single persons
05:56 PM XXCoder: essentally there is something unique about everyone.
05:56 PM XXCoder: so normality is overrated
05:56 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: I am not convincing you of anything. I am trying to find out what's your point.
05:56 PM dioz: again. sandbagging
05:56 PM XXCoder: define sandbagging
05:56 PM dioz: what portion of the point as outlined doesn't seem to make sense to you?
05:57 PM dioz: the definition of the word normal?
05:57 PM dioz: or the statistics?
05:57 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: No, I am wondering what you are aiming at. I mean, even if one will say that homosexuality is not normal (in statistical sense,) so what?
05:57 PM dioz: it was an attempt to see how logical you are
05:57 PM LeelooMinai: I am very logical imo:)
05:58 PM LeelooMinai: That's why I was a programmer, not a poet.
05:58 PM XXCoder: dioz: so suppose you are completely correct and homosexuals is abnormal
05:58 PM XXCoder: so about it?
05:58 PM XXCoder: I am abnormal, btw. I was born deaf with few other health problems
05:58 PM XXCoder: so what ya wanna do about it?
05:59 PM dioz: nothing.
05:59 PM dioz: i'm just saying it isn't normal
05:59 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Not sure what you find illogical in what I said. It's a fact that 1) normal has not strict general definition, 2)... well, I guess there's even no #2, because that's where what you say ends.
05:59 PM dioz: you're the one getting all hot and bothered over it
05:59 PM dioz: trying to convince me you're normal
05:59 PM dioz: *shrug*
05:59 PM XXCoder: I am?
05:59 PM dioz: save-face now
05:59 PM LeelooMinai: lol
06:00 PM XXCoder: I have directly stated that I am not normal couple times now.
06:00 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: what authority do you speak from when you suggest that normal has not a strict general definition?
06:00 PM dioz: i can point to a dictionary
06:00 PM pcw_home: no one is normal, about 10% of people are left handed is that abnormal?
06:00 PM pcw_home: You can make any arbitrary distinction between people and separate an "abnormal" group
06:00 PM dioz: and say it has much more authority than you
06:00 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Hell, I hope I am not "normal" - sounds pretty depressing to be normal imo:)
06:00 PM XXCoder: pcw_home: yep.
06:00 PM pcw_home: so its just stupid
06:00 PM dioz: pcw_home: for sure you can.
06:00 PM dioz: i'm not sure why recognizing differences amongst people is so weird
06:00 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Do you have "I am normal" tattooed on your forehead or something? :P
06:01 PM dioz: i think it's more weird to lie to people and tell them they're normal when they are clearly not normal
06:01 PM XXCoder: dioz: my point is that people have used your argument in order to exclude and yes, kill people.
06:01 PM dioz: lol
06:01 PM dioz: why lie?
06:01 PM dioz: XXCoder: that sounds like implicit bias... you should probably see a psychologist about that
06:01 PM BeachBumPete: and people have used your ideas to do the same what is your point XXcoder?
06:01 PM XXCoder: what ideas?
06:01 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: I see what you write, and there are like 3 levels for it, starting with definition, and on neither of those levels you make sense - SAD:)
06:02 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: dictionary.com
06:02 PM XXCoder: ideas that people is different is used to kill people?
06:02 PM dioz: it's a good resource for learning the meanings of words
06:02 PM XXCoder: *is fine
06:02 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Which one?
06:02 PM dioz: which one what?
06:02 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Dictionary - they are not 100% the same in definitions.
06:03 PM dioz: you clearly don't see what i type
06:03 PM dioz: dictionary.com
06:03 PM dioz: do you see the DOT COM?
06:03 PM * dioz palms face
06:03 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: OK, but why this one?
06:03 PM LeelooMinai: Can I use other? :)
06:03 PM dioz: sure
06:04 PM dioz: use the oxford dictionary for all i care
06:04 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Ok, I found one where you are not normal:( "free from mental illness : mentally sound symptoms of paranoia in otherwise normal persons"
06:04 PM dioz: yah. i'm the one with mental illness. lol
06:04 PM dioz: look at the petty insults
06:04 PM LeelooMinai: I see symptoms of paranoia, so, I don't know:)
06:05 PM dioz: what am i paranoid about?
06:05 PM LeelooMinai: Those are not insults - just making fun of you.
06:05 PM XXCoder: lee thats an insult actually
06:05 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: About the meaning of word "normal" - you seem to think that it needs to have one set in stone definition.
06:05 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: it does have one set of definitions!
06:05 PM dioz: it's in the dictionary!
06:05 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: OK, I insulted him, fine:p
06:06 PM dioz: i'm not sure what magical dictionary you're using
06:06 PM dioz: you haven't even sourced it yet or the definition
06:06 PM dioz: so...
06:06 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Pff... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/normal
06:06 PM LeelooMinai: Pretty non-magical imo
06:06 PM XXCoder: so your culture is absolutely everywhere in world, dioz ?
06:06 PM LeelooMinai: As you can see, not only there's one definition, there's multiple...
06:06 PM LeelooMinai: there's not one*
06:07 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: which definition are you referencing?
06:07 PM LeelooMinai: So much for "normal" being normal.
06:07 PM LeelooMinai: 4b
06:07 PM LeelooMinai: I skipped 4a, not trying to be too rude I guess.
06:07 PM XXCoder: china population: 1.37 billion. India population: 1.31 billion. usa population: 321 million. so usa culture is not normal
06:08 PM dioz: so you're saying that it's normal for people to have a mental illness?
06:08 PM XXCoder: welcome, fellow abnormal, dioz ! :D
06:08 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: lol... Are you trying to be weird or what...
06:08 PM dioz: this seems like such an odd conversation
06:08 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: I am saying that there's no accurate definition for what normal means.
06:08 PM pcw_home: 100% of people are abnormal by some criterion
06:09 PM LeelooMinai: Unless in statistics, math, geometry, etc.
06:09 PM XXCoder: pcw_home: yeah remember my subgroup comment? :)
06:09 PM dioz: i have two people trying to convince me that small portions of the population, with, for example, biological abnormalities, are normal
06:09 PM dioz: such an odd concept
06:09 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Seriously, when you started arguing about normal, you were already on the lost position - are you a masoichist?
06:10 PM dioz: it's normal for a baby to be born with no arms and no legs!
06:10 PM dioz: such an odd idea
06:10 PM pcw_home: baby snakes
06:10 PM dioz: sneks ;]
06:10 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, can be - if it happens seldom:)
06:11 PM LeelooMinai: It's normal because DNA can get damaged sometimes, which is normal in itself and in fact by design, to allow for mutations and evolutions.
06:11 PM Crom: ugh... trying to find a 3/16" combo wrench and a 17/64 combo wrench. and it's not metric.
06:11 PM dioz: to allow for mutations and evolutions
06:11 PM dioz: the very concept of your idea suggest it isn't normal
06:11 PM dioz: lol
06:11 PM dioz: "mutations and evolutions"
06:12 PM LeelooMinai: Yed, evolution works by mutations of DND... what is strange about it?
06:12 PM LeelooMinai: Yes*
06:12 PM LeelooMinai: Er, DNA
06:12 PM dioz: mutations are normal
06:12 PM dioz: teenage mutant ninja turtles are normal
06:13 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: If not mutations there would be probably no life on Earth, you realize that?
06:13 PM dioz: i mean... sure they only exist in a cartoon fantasy world... but they exist!!! so they're normal!
06:13 PM LeelooMinai: At least not as it is now.
06:13 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Are you have a point there again, or watching cartoons? :p
06:13 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: one day a human mutated from a frog. all the other frogs were like "that normal"
06:13 PM LeelooMinai: Are=Do
06:14 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: ...
06:14 PM dioz: cause it happens so often
06:14 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Don't tell me you are also one of the people that do not believe in evolution:(
06:14 PM dioz: that it is the norm
06:14 PM dioz: it is usual for frogs to turn into humans
06:14 PM * LeelooMinai blinks
06:14 PM * XXCoder cannot remember when that happened.
06:14 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Are you on drugs or something:)
06:14 PM dioz: i never said i don't believe in evolution
06:15 PM * XXCoder sees some straw
06:15 PM LeelooMinai: So why are you talking about frogs, turtles and humans:)
06:15 PM dioz: i was making light of the situation
06:15 PM LeelooMinai: What light...
06:15 PM dioz: *shrug*
06:15 PM dioz: i'm almost done here though
06:16 PM LeelooMinai: What's going on? Oh no, is Earth colliding with alternate universe again, like in 2016.... nooooooo!
06:16 PM dioz: i find it laughable that someone would equate evolution to a biological abnormality such as a baby being born with no arms and no legs
06:16 PM dioz: it's funny
06:16 PM rene-dev: does anyone know how to run gremlin standalone?
06:16 PM LeelooMinai: rene-dev: Imo separate it from other gremlins, use a leash and try running along:)
06:16 PM dioz: yah one day evolution kicked in and my baby was born with no arms and no legs
06:17 PM dioz: lol
06:17 PM dioz: i'mma write a story about that i think
06:17 PM dioz: it's normal!
06:17 PM dioz: it's evolution!
06:18 PM dioz: then how that legless, armless baby managed to take over the world. first, more than likely, by giving the state control of the court systems
06:18 PM * dioz laughs
06:18 PM dioz: and I'M the crazy one
06:18 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Well, no, you see, if that baby was born with 4 legs and somehow has proven to be superior to people with 2 legs and had offspring that would keep being superior, that would be the point of evolution:)
06:18 PM dioz: so evolution only happens for the betterment?
06:18 PM dioz: evolution never takes steps backwards?
06:19 PM LeelooMinai: It has no "brain" it just happens as long as it keeps happening.
06:19 PM LeelooMinai: I don't think there' any purpose to it.
06:19 PM dioz: that isn't what you said though...
06:19 PM XXCoder: life on earth has no purpose. we gonna find one ourselves.
06:19 PM dioz: "if that baby was born with 4 legs and somehow has proven to be superior to people with 2 legs and had offspring that
06:20 PM dioz: would keep being superior"
06:20 PM dioz: proven to be superior
06:20 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Yes, a stand by both statements and do not see a contradiction.
06:20 PM dioz: so first you said if it's proven to be superior
06:20 PM dioz: then you said "it just happens"
06:20 PM dioz: so which one is it?
06:21 PM dioz: is evolution a betterment or is it something that just happens?
06:21 PM dioz: with no standard of potential rating
06:21 PM dioz: see. you kind of are wishy washy with your arguments
06:21 PM dioz: i mean i can stand on a point
06:21 PM dioz: you just move the goal posts around all day
06:21 PM dioz: it's so odd
06:23 PM LeelooMinai: The "just happens" part is in regards to it having some pre-defined purpose. It does not. However, it continues to happen by a way that, well, makes it progress and not disappear. It's pretty logical, if you think about it.
06:23 PM dioz: i don't think you read entirely
06:23 PM dioz: cause your comment was in response to my question
06:24 PM pcw_home: betterment/forward/backward are not really applicable to evolution
06:24 PM dioz: i asked if evolution only happens for the better
06:24 PM dioz: pcw_home: that is the point i was trying to make
06:24 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: And I wrote it does not care about a concept of "better". It works as long as it keeps existing.
06:24 PM dioz: but you said...
06:24 PM pcw_home: more fit (more likely to reproduce) is about it
06:24 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Not my fault you cannot grasp the basic concepts of it:/
06:25 PM dioz: you're contradicting yourself
06:25 PM dioz: 16:47 < LeelooMinai> dioz: Well, no, you see, if that baby was born with 4 legs and somehow has proven to be superior to people with 2 legs and had offspring that
06:25 PM dioz: would keep being superior, that would be the point of evolution:)
06:25 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: No, I am not - you think I am, because you don't see nuances of what I write.
06:25 PM dioz: you definitely contradicted yourself there
06:25 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: No, I did not. You simply do not understand the bigger picture.
06:26 PM dioz: kind of like how i don't understand how definitions of words work?
06:26 PM dioz: hah
06:26 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I guess, yes:)
06:26 PM dioz: okay computer science degree
06:26 PM dioz: you win this round
06:26 PM dioz: i'mma go get a slurpee
06:26 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: You need to ascend on a higher plane of abstractions imo:)
06:27 PM LeelooMinai: You have a chance though - much higher than an averge Trump voter:(
06:29 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I bought "used" metal pegboard panels from Amazon - kind of scared what "used" will end up to be.
06:29 PM BeachBumPete: GO TRUMP!!
06:29 PM LeelooMinai: Hope they will not be warped ionto a precel...
06:31 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, what is with all those products for "home plant growing"... Needed an in-line fan for ventilating the welding place, and there's zillions of offer. Are people using it for weed or something?
06:31 PM LeelooMinai: Or there's just many people that love growing plants around...
06:32 PM pcw_home: 99.99% weed I think
06:32 PM LeelooMinai: Right, in in doubt always err on "it's money or drugs or sex"
06:33 PM LeelooMinai: Seems to work
06:33 PM LeelooMinai: Well, at least it will propell the fan industry:)
06:33 PM LeelooMinai: And UV lighting it seems.
06:34 PM pcw_home: Certainly propelled the LED plant light business
06:34 PM LeelooMinai: Useful for PCB development... well, in theory, as nowadays there are fabs.
06:34 PM LeelooMinai: Maybe for desinfection too though.
06:35 PM LeelooMinai: Weapons of mass microbe destruction.
06:35 PM XXCoder: I for one is glad weed is coming back and legal. I dont smoke em but hemp is extremely useful material. we sued to use it everywhere
06:35 PM XXCoder: *used
06:36 PM LeelooMinai: Like what?
06:36 PM XXCoder: paper
06:36 PM XXCoder: cloth
06:36 PM sync: pcw_home: last time I checked gas discharge was still more efficient
06:36 PM LeelooMinai: Er, I don't get it:)
06:36 PM XXCoder: hemp have longest fiber of all, so those are extremely tough
06:36 PM XXCoder: and it has far less envormental impact than cotton
06:37 PM LeelooMinai: I need to translate hemp to Polish
06:37 PM LeelooMinai: A... ok, I see, yes. I though you used it for DIY or something:)
06:37 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, in the past it was used a lot.
06:37 PM XXCoder: yeah
06:38 PM LeelooMinai: Like linen et.c
06:38 PM pcw_home: sync: I'm not sure I think the LEDS had a better spectral match to Chlorophyll
06:38 PM XXCoder: other material thats too slowly becoming more common is bamboo
06:38 PM XXCoder: its grass, really, so it has far less envormental impact to have something like hardwood.
06:39 PM LeelooMinai: Well, all cutting boards in my kitchen are from bamboo I think.
06:39 PM XXCoder: LeelooMinai: ikea is using it more and more but slowly.
06:39 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: There's a lot of floor panels from bamboo from what I have seen also.
06:39 PM XXCoder: yep!
06:39 PM XXCoder: nd floors tend to be large, so THAT will grow the demend
06:40 PM XXCoder: I always wanted to have bamboo farms
06:40 PM XXCoder: but meh
06:40 PM LeelooMinai: I guess it's good from abrasion standpoint.
06:40 PM XXCoder: I cant afford the land.
06:40 PM XXCoder: LeelooMinai: one of wonderful things about bamboo is that people dont need to rip up roots, it will just make new shoots and grow constantl;y
06:41 PM LeelooMinai: It's like a hardwood, but on the higher end - more so than maple, oak, etc.
06:41 PM XXCoder: unlike trees that people have to remove roots
06:41 PM LeelooMinai: But good luck with cutting it easily.
06:41 PM XXCoder: yeah its pretty awkward with bamboo, have to make strips and lamate it
06:42 PM XXCoder: I bought bamboo floor samples and cut it on cnc, it looks great!
06:42 PM LeelooMinai: Someone needs to genetically modify it so it is more like trees:)
06:42 PM XXCoder: hollow stems is very basic properity of grass class of plants unfortunately
06:42 PM LeelooMinai: In the past it was also used for fishing roods - it's pretty strong.
06:43 PM XXCoder: I read that fla has problems with bamboo growing back. apparently it is not invasive species but a native. just that people wiped it out and its coming back
06:43 PM LeelooMinai: What is fla? Florida?
06:43 PM XXCoder: sorry yeah
06:44 PM XXCoder: https://www.profitableplants.com/how-to-make-60000-a-year-growing-bamboo/
06:44 PM XXCoder: thats more than I earn now lol
06:44 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I remember that the NASA launch place looks liek swamp, so I can see it growing in such environment.
06:44 PM LeelooMinai: O, but that means that it would grow well around the White House:)
06:45 PM XXCoder: bamboo is poretty tough species
06:45 PM XXCoder: in a way, too tough! would have to carefully manage it
06:45 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I don't think I could grow bamboo here in Ontario:)
06:45 PM BeachBumPete: LeelooMinai where do you live?
06:45 PM XXCoder: yeah canada too cold for bamboo in most cases.
06:45 PM LeelooMinai: South Ontario - not too cold, but still, that ain't Florida:)
06:46 PM XXCoder: BeachBumPete: states 51 to 55 ;)
06:46 PM BeachBumPete: like hell
06:46 PM XXCoder: lol
06:46 PM LeelooMinai: But maple wood is nice too.
06:46 PM LeelooMinai: For furniture, etc. that is.
06:46 PM XXCoder: heh heard someone stole millions of dollar worth of maple
06:47 PM Crom: Yes it is
06:47 PM XXCoder: how fast do maple grow anyway
06:47 PM Crom: getting a Windows computer back. 17" HP so I'll have something to run F260 on
06:47 PM Crom: F360
06:47 PM LeelooMinai: No idea, but, well, probably not super-fast - it's just a hardwood tree like others.
06:48 PM XXCoder: yeah cycle of maybe 10 years or 20 years
06:48 PM LeelooMinai: But very dense and strong and nice delicate patterns.
06:48 PM XXCoder: theres areas here in wa that are cut down in cycles, 12 years I think
06:48 PM XXCoder: crap junk wood for paper
06:48 PM LeelooMinai: Similar to Oak I guess, but oak has kind of brutal/rough patterns in comparison.
06:49 PM LeelooMinai: What do they call it... grain or something, I forgot.
06:50 PM XXCoder: grain yeah
06:50 PM XXCoder: lines and pattern on wood
06:52 PM Crom: and just ordered 2 sets of tiny wrenchs.. 3mm to 5.5mm and 5/32, 3/16, 13/64, 7/32, 15/64, 1/4, 9/32, 5/16, 3/8, 7/16" it doesn't have 17/64" grrr
06:52 PM XXCoder: crescent wrench works?
06:52 PM LeelooMinai: Well, 7/16 is not so tiny.
06:53 PM LeelooMinai: 3mm though:)
06:53 PM LeelooMinai: What would you need it for... clockwork?
06:54 PM Crom: and just ordered a 17/64 x 19x64 wrench. Sewing Machines
06:54 PM XXCoder: heh shop has umm lemme think size in cms
06:55 PM XXCoder: 10 cm wrench lol
06:55 PM XXCoder: approx anyway
06:55 PM LeelooMinai: Right, in case you need to tighten those bridge nuts
06:56 PM Crom: no clearence for adjustable wrenches
06:57 PM XXCoder: too bad
06:57 PM XXCoder: 3d print one? ;)
06:57 PM LeelooMinai: O, cool, that's all I need for a phone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeofXxD8P3A :)
06:57 PM Crom: one 13/64 was torqued to around 15ft pnds
06:58 PM XXCoder: LeelooMinai: too bad cant text on one!
06:58 PM jdh: I rarely talk on my phone
06:58 PM XXCoder: I never spoke so yeah lol
06:59 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: I don't care - I only would have use for it 2-3 times per year, when I go outside and mom and sister leave me in some shop and have to calle them to pick me up:)
06:59 PM XXCoder: verbally anyway
06:59 PM Crom: just noticed youtube now has animateed gifs for previews
07:01 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeOS9pG6vjU cool lol
07:01 PM XXCoder: constant length is so strange.
07:01 PM LeelooMinai: A, right one of those shapes that have same distance to center on the perimeter.
07:02 PM LeelooMinai: Sounds like a marching platoon or something.
07:02 PM XXCoder: some people would like that sound I suppose.
07:03 PM LeelooMinai: THis one is much more interesting imo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPKY1pFyqu8
07:03 PM LeelooMinai: No spokes.
07:04 PM LeelooMinai: More like suspension inside wheels.
07:04 PM XXCoder: not too bad though smaller diameter means lower max speed
07:05 PM XXCoder: pretty cool
07:05 PM LeelooMinai: Right, it's for cities, etc., but probably can be scaled.
07:05 PM LeelooMinai: Though you don't want something like this in competition - not a good idea if someone puts a leg there:)
07:05 PM XXCoder: too bad cnn always removes even autocaptions
07:06 PM sync: that compromises the rim, but otherwise it is a neat idea
07:07 PM BeachBumPete: too bad CNN exists?
07:07 PM LeelooMinai: BeachBumPete: Let me guess: Fox News & Friends? :p
07:07 PM BeachBumPete: among others why?
07:08 PM * LeelooMinai sighs
07:08 PM * BeachBumPete sighs
07:08 PM XXCoder: ah sweet young love
07:09 PM LeelooMinai: BeachBumPete: Seriously... don't you find them a bit, I don't know, ridiculous and absurd and lame, and hypocrytical and corrupted and deceiving and annoying? :)
07:09 PM BeachBumPete: who CNN?? absolutely!!
07:09 PM XXCoder: https://dnqv4na4axyak.cloudfront.net/static/images/item/fbn-cavuto-20120731-bushexpire.jpg
07:09 PM LeelooMinai: Well, not saying CNN is wonderful, but Fox News is just something else:)
07:10 PM BeachBumPete: WOW
07:10 PM LeelooMinai: lol
07:11 PM LeelooMinai: I always lol at Tucker Carson though - he is pretty funny if you assume he parodies other commentators.
07:11 PM LeelooMinai: Or Carlson or what is his name.
07:12 PM dioz: you always lol at someone who's name you don't even know
07:12 PM LeelooMinai: I don't listen to his name, but what he sais:)
07:13 PM LeelooMinai: Top notch mental gymnatics, acrobatics, and portrayal of what all of those people there do.
07:13 PM dioz: those people being who?
07:14 PM BeachBumPete: I thought you said Fox was ridiculous, absurd, lame and hypocritical why in Gods name would you watch Tucker Carlson?
07:14 PM dioz: the "right" ?
07:14 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: are you a leftist of sorts? socialist? anarchist? communist? neo-marxist? post-modernist? rawlsian?
07:14 PM dioz: what is your political alignment?
07:14 PM LeelooMinai: BeachBumPete: I don't "watch watch" - I sometimes get a thumbnal in YouRube and click just to lol at him:)
07:14 PM XXCoder: left in usa is called centeralist in rest of world apparently.
07:15 PM BeachBumPete: you gotta be kidding
07:15 PM XXCoder: nope.
07:15 PM BeachBumPete: WOW
07:15 PM XXCoder: yep, wow
07:15 PM BeachBumPete: you really do live in a liberal left wing Lala land huh
07:15 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: What is that with you and political affillations? I don't care much about those - if you give me some particular issue, I will mayber have an opinion, or research it and come up with some, but that's all.
07:15 PM dioz: what makes me laugh is you can instantly see those who don't know anything about politics but choose to talk about them vs. those who actually understand political ideology
07:16 PM dioz: it's a real laugh
07:16 PM XXCoder: huh? whatever pete
07:16 PM BeachBumPete: whatever XXcoder
07:16 PM XXCoder: indeed.
07:16 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: That may be disadvantage. Sometimes a look from outside is better, since you are not pre-biased and clearly see "the game" going on.
07:17 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: are you a proponent for democracy?
07:17 PM _methods: this probably should be in #politics not here
07:17 PM LeelooMinai: I mean I can read that Tucker guy like he was transparent:)
07:17 PM _methods: before this gets any crazier
07:17 PM BeachBumPete: _methods ya think?? ;)
07:17 PM _methods: hehe yeah
07:18 PM _methods: not tryin to be a party pooper
07:18 PM BeachBumPete: oh its no party man
07:18 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: I just told you that I find putting myself in some box, like "democracy", "conservatism", etc. silly.
07:18 PM dioz: democracy and conservatism aren't even in the same....
07:18 PM dioz: nvm
07:18 PM dioz: lol
07:18 PM LeelooMinai: Imo having parties is fault in itself I guess.
07:19 PM LeelooMinai: Especially if there are only two poilarizing ones like in US>
07:19 PM XXCoder: indeed
07:19 PM LeelooMinai: You have a perfect situation for things to get ugly.
07:19 PM BeachBumPete: you talk like somehow its perfect in Canada LOL
07:19 PM LeelooMinai: Which they did.
07:20 PM XXCoder: when did she say that
07:20 PM dioz: LeelooMinai is a she?
07:20 PM LeelooMinai: BeachBumPete: You see, that's what I was saying: you see from inside the system, and don't get that I am on the outside.
07:20 PM BeachBumPete: you'd love to think so
07:21 PM LeelooMinai: BeachBumPete: So you saying something bad about Canada political system has pretty much zero impact on me.
07:21 PM BeachBumPete: when did I say anything bad about Canada?
07:21 PM dioz: you're on the outside of the system.. but you complain about Trump?
07:21 PM LeelooMinai: I did not even know who was PM of it a yuear ago...
07:21 PM dioz: you realize how little sense that makes right?
07:21 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: It makes perfect sense - if you think a bit.
07:21 PM dioz: if you're actually as observant as you suggest the ideas would have substantiated proof
07:22 PM dioz: yet it's all just this rhetoric
07:22 PM LeelooMinai: What rhetoric - just observations mostly.
07:22 PM dioz: the things your type - rhetoric
07:22 PM dioz: :s/your/you/
07:23 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: "It's like your opinion, man":)
07:23 PM dioz: in my case it isn't a matter of opinion. i point to sources of authority to further my arguments
07:23 PM dioz: i don't use the "way i feel"
07:24 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Good joke:)
07:24 PM dioz: my feelings mean nothing with regards to how the world operates
07:24 PM dioz: i tend to base my ideas in something a bit more sunstantial
07:24 PM dioz: substantial
07:24 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Are you trying to be funny again? You did not point to one "authority".
07:24 PM dioz: the definition of a word being in the dictionary instead of in my mind
07:24 PM dioz: the dictionary is a source of authority
07:25 PM LeelooMinai: O no, not again this one... :(
07:25 PM dioz: for someone who claims to have gone to school... claims to have a degree... you don't comprehend a whole lot do you?
07:25 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: You forgot already that you failed in that whole "normal" debate above?
07:26 PM BeachBumPete: LOL
07:26 PM dioz: i didn't fail. you attempted to re-define the word to make your argument
07:26 PM LeelooMinai: It was like half an hour ago. What now, you have memory problems too?
07:26 PM dioz: claiming that normal != "the usual"
07:27 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Maybe you have mistaken me with someone else then - I did not try to re-define anything.
07:27 PM dioz: not only are you delusional but you're highly uneducated lol
07:27 PM dioz: i really feel sorry for you
07:28 PM XXCoder: wonderful ad hominem
07:28 PM LeelooMinai: Right, of course, that's what it is:)
07:28 PM dioz: hey. i'm not the one trying to claim that the word "normal" is defined as "what happens in nature"
07:28 PM dioz: normal = the usual
07:29 PM LeelooMinai: If 30% of UIS population thinks like dioz, there's no hope.
07:29 PM dioz: coming from someone who's afraid to mention their political alignment
07:30 PM dioz: but isn't afraid to condemn one...
07:30 PM dioz: you, i doubt, have any reasonable clue what you're talking about
07:31 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: At this point it's like you talk about something in alternate universe, so not much I can comment on.
07:32 PM dioz: not much you can comment on cause not much you understand
07:32 PM dioz: i bet you're anti-gun
07:32 PM LeelooMinai: Seems to have differrent rules for many things, including logic:)
07:32 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Do things like gravity at least work the same way? :)
07:33 PM LeelooMinai: I mean "on your side".
07:33 PM dioz: idk. you're the one who's afraid to say which side you're even on
07:33 PM dioz: so how could i possibly know?
07:34 PM LeelooMinai: I am on Earth - you know, Solar System, Milky Way, that area.
07:34 PM * malcom2073 hands BeachBumPete some popcorn
07:34 PM malcom2073: You look like you're about out
07:34 PM dioz: given how you just described it i doubt you even know
07:34 PM dioz: earth, solar system, milky way
07:35 PM BeachBumPete: malcom2073 huh?
07:35 PM BeachBumPete: but I do like popcorn
07:36 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: What, not specific enough?
07:36 PM dioz: *shrug*
07:36 PM BeachBumPete: _methods I managed to fix my Eachine X220 Wizard finally... ;)
07:36 PM dioz: you tell me. you're the one claiming some divine knowledge and undertanding
07:37 PM dioz: divine in whatever sense
07:38 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: All I see is you claimng weird things about me - must be that inter-universe communication errors:)
07:38 PM dioz: set me straight then
07:39 PM _methods: Nice Pete
07:39 PM _methods: I need to take mine out
07:39 PM _methods: I haven't gotten in a couple months
07:39 PM BeachBumPete: it was kind of a bitch resoldering everything
07:39 PM BeachBumPete: I replaced all four ESC's
07:39 PM BeachBumPete: and redid some of the factory wiring
07:39 PM dioz: what is the name of a 3 axis cnc that has the table move instead of the tool being moved?
07:39 PM dioz: actually name them both for me if someone doesn't mind
07:40 PM LeelooMinai: fixed gantry
07:40 PM _methods: Yeah it seems like for every 15 minutes flying it's about 5 hours of fixing stuff
07:40 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: You are too hopless to set you straight:)
07:40 PM BeachBumPete: well actually I have flown the crap out of it since the repair
07:40 PM BeachBumPete: probably a dozen packs thru it
07:40 PM _methods: Nice
07:40 PM XXCoder: always wondered about pros and cons of moving gantry vs fixed
07:41 PM BeachBumPete: this thing really kicks butt
07:41 PM skunkworks_: https://xkcd.com/386/
07:41 PM _methods: Yeah it's a decent little quad
07:41 PM XXCoder: latter can be very rigid for spindle but tble gonna move and may be under load of stock on it
07:41 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: Fixed is better imo unless you need large table.
07:41 PM BeachBumPete: but I did lost control while hovering overhead with the goggles and bounced it off the rear window of my wife's new SUV LOL
07:41 PM dioz: XXCoder: sheet metal usually comes in 4' x 8' sheets. i th ink having the table move would require a larger footprint than a moving gantry
07:41 PM dioz: maybe i'm wrong though
07:41 PM XXCoder: dioz: indeed nearly 2x as long
07:42 PM XXCoder: though its stow away size is much smaller
07:42 PM XXCoder: actually no
07:42 PM XXCoder: was thinking of that rather weird cnc machine
07:42 PM skunkworks_: BeachBumPete, I jogged the spindle into the tombstone on the k&t.. Moved the tombstone back .050".. The tombstone is held down with atleast 8 3/4" bolts..
07:42 PM BeachBumPete: it did not hurt the quad but the window got a small scratch and now I feel bad
07:43 PM BeachBumPete: skunkworks_ no surprise there man that machine is beastly
07:43 PM BeachBumPete: skunkworks_ did you see my CNC router work on the VMC LOL
07:43 PM LeelooMinai: Consider that with movable gantry, you have to move the whole damn two axis stages - that's pretty bad from the rigidity, acceleration, etc. standpoint.
07:44 PM XXCoder: I suppose it depends on what its made to cut
07:44 PM XXCoder: if its all wood it dont really matter, low sideload
07:44 PM skunkworks_: BeachBumPete, yes - nice!
07:44 PM BeachBumPete: it was just a test cut
07:44 PM XXCoder: got link BeachBumPete ?
07:44 PM BeachBumPete: I have to cut the real thing now
07:44 PM skunkworks_: I have a 10k spindle we have been using on the K&T..
07:44 PM LeelooMinai: UNless you have some stellar and expensive rails, but that is seldom sensible for reasonably priced machines.
07:44 PM BeachBumPete: man I wish mine was 10l
07:44 PM BeachBumPete: 10k
07:45 PM BeachBumPete: http://imgur.com/a/qgiAE
07:45 PM XXCoder: interesting
07:46 PM BeachBumPete: I am now trying to research some new spindle bearings for the Cinci it is STARTING to make some funny noises on warmup
07:46 PM XXCoder: how many hours on those bearings?
07:46 PM skunkworks_: BeachBumPete, did you see my deep hole drilling?
07:46 PM BeachBumPete: no I did not I don't think
07:46 PM BeachBumPete: no idea on the hours
07:47 PM skunkworks_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVU-dboakT4
07:47 PM BeachBumPete: wow how many xdiameter?
07:48 PM malcom2073: Damn, that's slick
07:48 PM skunkworks_: about 2.2 inches - each direction. met perfectly in the middle. Live that machine.
07:49 PM skunkworks_: 5/64
07:49 PM BeachBumPete: when I did the RX7 motor castings drilling it was something like that
07:49 PM BeachBumPete: I bought some very pricey solid carbide drills but they were like a half inch
07:50 PM skunkworks_: I did the same thing in steel.. 2 of the hole have broken drills :)
07:50 PM BeachBumPete: oh hell
07:50 PM BeachBumPete: can you get them out?
07:51 PM BeachBumPete: the RX7 motor is like five or six plates and they have long studs that go thru them all about a foot and a half deep or so
07:52 PM BeachBumPete: when I machined them the plates had to line up very precisely or we could not get the stud thru
07:52 PM BeachBumPete: even with my best setups we still had to kinda hone the castings inside the holes with a die grinder mounted flap sanding jig a bit
08:10 PM skunkworks_: BeachBumPete, doesn't matter for this experiment. It is for a heat exchanger
08:10 PM skunkworks_: 2 out of 110 holes
08:12 PM Vitran: I'm going through a few different .hal files from different sources and am finding the written form of hm_(physical pin name) different in each of them. When I made my Hal file they were all like hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-01, but now I am coming across pins like 'hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.046.is_output 1' and LinuxCNC doesn't launch with them. Is this a grandfathered thing I am finding?
08:13 PM Vitran: The [Hostmot2] is from other hal files, such as from JT-shop
08:14 PM skunkworks_: [hostmot2] references the ini file. Some ini files have the info for the hal files.
08:17 PM Vitran: I was looking in there too. Do you know what hostmot2 could relate to though?
08:25 PM pink_vampire: Hellooooo
08:28 PM pcw_home: [HOSTMOT2] is the .ini file section that the (BOARD) macro replacement comes from
08:29 PM pcw_home: that style of ini/hal file construction allows the same hal file to work with different boards
08:29 PM Vitran: What about gpio?
08:30 PM pcw_home: gpio tends not to be as portable
08:32 PM Vitran: As I have two boards (7i77 and 7i64) that would make the writing of the pin name different, no?
08:48 PM XXCoder: helllo pink_vampire
08:48 PM pink_vampire: hi XXCoder
08:48 PM pink_vampire: how are you
08:48 PM XXCoder: doing ojk
08:48 PM XXCoder: working on project
08:49 PM pink_vampire: those are good news!!
08:49 PM pink_vampire: what project?
08:49 PM XXCoder: right now converting drawing to vector
08:49 PM XXCoder: then working on majing gcode for next weelk
08:50 PM pink_vampire: you can do it with online converter
08:50 PM XXCoder: nah no need to
08:50 PM XXCoder: inkscape is great for that
08:50 PM pink_vampire: http://www.autotracer.org/
08:51 PM pink_vampire: 3 secs
08:51 PM XXCoder: hooboy not with this pic
08:51 PM XXCoder: its still working on it lol
08:51 PM XXCoder: biog pic
08:51 PM pink_vampire: what pic is that/
08:51 PM pink_vampire: ?
08:52 PM XXCoder: caricature drawing
08:52 PM LeelooMinai: Seens edge detecting
08:52 PM LeelooMinai: Seems
08:52 PM XXCoder: it is
08:56 PM XXCoder: wow its still grinding away
08:56 PM LeelooMinai: It will detect the edge of each pixel and make a rectangle.
08:57 PM XXCoder: actually inkscape is bit better than that
08:57 PM XXCoder: it can spline fit lines
08:58 PM LeelooMinai: Into each pixel? :p
08:58 PM XXCoder: no.
08:59 PM XXCoder: size is 6600x10000
08:59 PM XXCoder: so yeah
08:59 PM LeelooMinai: lol
09:02 PM XXCoder: yep much faster]
09:20 PM XXCoder: lots to clean up.
09:24 PM pink_vampire: http://www.pvsm.ru/diy-ili-sdelaj-sam/198187
09:24 PM pink_vampire: i cant read it
09:24 PM pink_vampire: but it's still cool
09:31 PM XXCoder: yeah
09:32 PM LeelooMinai: pink_vampire: No "translate" button?
09:32 PM pink_vampire: don't even tried
09:34 PM LeelooMinai: pink_vampire: It's not bad at all imo: http://i.imgur.com/NEkI9Rt.png
09:35 PM pink_vampire: why pic?
09:35 PM pink_vampire: just send a link..
09:35 PM LeelooMinai: What link...
09:35 PM LeelooMinai: pink_vampire: I am showing auto-translated page.
09:35 PM pink_vampire: to the translated website
09:36 PM pink_vampire: my bad
09:36 PM LeelooMinai: There's no website - in Chrome you have a button to the right of the URL area
09:37 PM pink_vampire: i see what you mean
09:38 PM LeelooMinai: I meant that the translator is pretty decent. Like here: "In the tentacles, there are two stages, each of which has two degrees of freedom. They allow each stage to bend in two perpendicular directions. Combining these degrees of freedom, in the amount we get four, allowing us to emulate quite plausible organic movement. In the animation, looking more closely, you can see the junction of two stages - about the middle of the tentacles."
09:39 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, kind of weirdly good even...
09:40 PM pink_vampire: http://www.pvsm.ru/news/200208
09:40 PM pink_vampire: part 2
09:42 PM pink_vampire: http://www.pvsm.ru/diy-ili-sdelaj-sam/203473
09:42 PM pink_vampire: part 3
09:42 PM roycroft: dioz: just shut the fuck up, period
09:43 PM roycroft: and leeloominai: shut the fuck up with your incessant sanctimonious anti-trump, anti-use diatribe
09:43 PM roycroft: anti-us, rather
09:46 PM XXCoder: round #2!
09:47 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: what do you mean
09:47 PM roycroft: no, xxcoder
09:47 PM XXCoder: there was previous debate
09:47 PM roycroft: i'm reacting to some scroll from some time ago
09:47 PM roycroft: i've said what i have to say
09:47 PM roycroft: and that is the end of it as far as i'm concerned
09:47 PM XXCoder: wonderful
09:48 PM LeelooMinai: roycroft: Great, and the reality stays the same, so, you did not really achieve much imo.
09:48 PM LeelooMinai: Besides using vulgar language, etc.
09:48 PM roycroft: oh
09:48 PM roycroft: one more thing
09:48 PM roycroft: bugger off
09:49 PM roycroft: now i'm done for real :)
09:49 PM XXCoder: I love people that bring very strong statement then says "END OF DEBATE!"
09:49 PM XXCoder: okay
09:49 PM roycroft: you're welcome, xxcoder :)
09:50 PM roycroft: i figured out an easy way to remove those ball oilers today
09:50 PM XXCoder: ...
09:50 PM XXCoder: is that a thing?
09:50 PM roycroft: i just take a small punch, tap down on the retainer ball
09:51 PM roycroft: then i stick a screw extractor in the tube and twist
09:51 PM XXCoder: I constantly learn weird kinks from people who are supposely against em
09:51 PM roycroft: they come right out
09:52 PM roycroft: the ball is held in by a spring, and if you tap on it with a punch the ball and spring pop out the bottom
09:53 PM roycroft: i've never found screw extractors useful before
09:53 PM roycroft: they don't extract screws worth a damn
09:54 PM roycroft: i always thought their greatest value was the profit made selling them to homeowners/weekend mechanics
10:25 PM CaptHindsight: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=aiEDAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
10:26 PM CaptHindsight: ^^ August 1944 Popular Science with much discussion of the need for keeping ahead in the arms race post WWII
10:46 PM tiwake: CaptHindsight: Project Orion was going to be the End Game
10:47 PM tiwake: CaptHindsight: but USA decided it did not want to be the best anymore
10:47 PM tiwake: just, kinda the best
10:47 PM Vitran: Project Pluto was to be the end of life on earth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto
10:47 PM tiwake: Vitran: there is not enough nuclear bombs to end all life
10:48 PM roycroft: i don't know if it's really feasible to engage in an arms race
10:48 PM roycroft: those russians have such big, burly arms
10:48 PM CaptHindsight: what really struck me was nearly 300 hundred pages of how and why things work vs just fluff
10:49 PM roycroft: we did have governor gropenator, and governator jessie "the mind" ventura
10:49 PM Vitran: kk, it was a nuke powered ram jet spraying out radiation out the back with a 12 nuke payload to fly at mach 3 and kill people on the ground with shockwaves
10:49 PM roycroft: but that's as close as we've come to arm parity with the russians
10:49 PM tiwake: CaptHindsight: I really really wish USA would have built Project Orion... would have been landing on mars with a team of 50 people for a few years instead of a toy car
10:50 PM CaptHindsight: instead we went for peak selfish
10:50 PM tiwake: oh hey, R G LeTourneau has a little blurb
10:50 PM tiwake: amazing guy
10:50 PM tiwake: school dropout
10:51 PM tiwake: went on to design or improve design of almost all heavy earth moving equipment
10:51 PM CaptHindsight: lifetimes of information available at your fingertips over your phone and it's mainly used for facebook, qq and twitter
10:52 PM tiwake: heh, comic of being the hero by beating up the bully on the beach
10:53 PM roycroft: i don't do any of that suff, capthindsight
10:53 PM roycroft: but i mostly use my phone to listen to music
10:53 PM tiwake: CaptHindsight: are there any modern magazines that are not full of fluff?
10:53 PM roycroft: except when the music is annoyingly interrupted by a phone call :)
10:54 PM CaptHindsight: science journals, but they aren't easily available to the public
10:54 PM tiwake: "peer review"
10:55 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.popsci.com/ compare to todays version
10:55 PM roycroft: every jstor subscriber is required to have terminals that are freely accessable to the public
10:55 PM roycroft: so you can go to your local uni and have access to just about every scientific journal being published
10:55 PM roycroft: or even community college, for that matter
10:59 PM tiwake: whatever happened to fairchild?
11:00 PM CaptHindsight: they got acquired
11:01 PM tiwake: by who?
11:01 PM CaptHindsight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Semiconductor
11:01 PM CaptHindsight: ON
11:02 PM tiwake: sad
11:03 PM tiwake: oh, based in califorina... no wonder