#linuxcnc Logs

Jul 13 2017

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12:05 AM pink_vampire: how i convert scfm @ psi to scfm @other psi?
12:36 AM pink_vampire: Wolf_: !!!
12:49 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
12:49 AM IchGucksLive: summer i coming back today here in Germany
12:51 AM IchGucksLive: off 2 garden
12:56 AM cncnoob: pink_vampire Guess I have to create an account? I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something about what those wipers are. It is just a steel ring with in the middle right?
12:56 AM cncnoob: Seems like something I could make with some hot glue and an old tooth brush
12:57 AM pink_vampire: it can be even just plastic
12:57 AM pink_vampire: no!!!
12:57 AM archivist: moulded rubber rather than plastic
12:57 AM pink_vampire: don't save on the wipers!!
12:57 AM cncnoob: The screws are life time warranty
12:58 AM cncnoob: That is why the price of the wipers (the seemingly cheap to make protection device) is confusing to me.
12:58 AM archivist: define life time 1 day?
12:59 AM archivist: in the presence of what sort of dirt
12:59 AM pink_vampire: have fun with take your machine apart every few weeks. just to dig in the ballscrew
12:59 AM cncnoob: The guy who runs CNC Fusion (Michael something) told me in an email that the screws and nuts had a lifetime warranty.
12:59 AM pink_vampire: is there any scraper?
01:00 AM cncnoob: yeah, that is what I don't want to do
01:00 AM cncnoob: nope
01:00 AM archivist: wear is never allowed for in lifetime warranties
01:00 AM cncnoob: I asked him about a crunchy sound my mill makes, especially on the Y axis and he said new screws always make that noise
01:00 AM cncnoob: Doesn't sound normal to me
01:01 AM cncnoob: but it has made that noise even before I even milled anything
01:01 AM archivist: hehe dont buy from him!
01:01 AM cncnoob: too late
01:01 AM pink_vampire: I call hiwin yesterday, and they say that I can't get the non-interchangeable rails.
01:01 AM cncnoob: I wouldn't buy from him again either
01:01 AM cncnoob: It took 2 months for him to fill my order
01:01 AM pink_vampire: the rails on ebay are pure junk
01:02 AM pink_vampire: cncnoob: where did you buy your stuff?
01:03 AM cncnoob: http://www.cncfusion.com/minimill1.html
01:03 AM cncnoob: kit #2
01:04 AM cncnoob: This is the message I sent him:
01:04 AM cncnoob: Hi, I have finally got my machine together and I'm worried there might be something wrong with my ball screws. They make quite a bit more noise than I would expect. I also saw a small piece of chrome on the z axis screw which I assume came from one of the ball bearings. I have only made one test cut so far on a piece of wood and everything seems to
01:04 AM cncnoob: work well and cut accurately, but axis movement is noisy.
01:04 AM cncnoob: This is what he sent me back:
01:05 AM archivist: sounds like dirt in the screw
01:05 AM m0n5t3r: maybe the nuts need lubrication?
01:05 AM cncnoob: Do not worry about the crunchy sound, the ballnuts always make that sound when new, especially when they fit tight to the screw.
01:05 AM cncnoob: After some use, they should quiet down. Also oil lubricant makes them smoother. They are warranted for life, so if the ballnut ever fails, just return it for a replacement.
01:05 AM cncnoob: I lube the crap out of them
01:05 AM cncnoob: 15w40 oil
01:06 AM pink_vampire: I think you have a dent on your screws, from the lathe jaws.
01:06 AM cncnoob: I wipe them down every time I'm ready to start a new job too and then put fresh oil on them
01:06 AM m0n5t3r: "they should quiet down after some use" == "something needs to wear enough for things to work smoothly"
01:06 AM cncnoob: ^^
01:06 AM cncnoob: right
01:07 AM m0n5t3r: doesn't sound very ... confidence inducing
01:08 AM pink_vampire: cncnoob: <pink_vampire> I think you have a dent on your screws, from the lathe jaws.
01:08 AM cncnoob: I'll take the screws apart in the next month or two so I can investigate
01:09 AM archivist: wash and re grease, are they actually Thomson screws or chinese noname
01:09 AM cncnoob: They are Thomson
01:09 AM pink_vampire: roll them slowly and mark the locations you get clicks
01:10 AM pink_vampire: then investigate those locations
01:10 AM cncnoob: I think I will need new balls too since they seem to be losing their chrome
01:10 AM archivist: I know they claim that on the web site, are the parts marked with thomson
01:10 AM cncnoob: pink_vampire the Y axis always makes noise in the exact same spot
01:10 AM cncnoob: I think the others axis' might be ok
01:10 AM cncnoob: Yes
01:10 AM cncnoob: They look legit to me
01:11 AM pink_vampire: cncnoob: this is 100% dent!
01:11 AM pink_vampire: take a clear pictures of this location
01:18 AM cncnoob: pink_vampire, I'm getting ready to go to bed so I didn't look real hard, but I just flipped my machine on its back to look at the Y axis and I didn't see any dent, but I could only see the bottom of the screw, and I didn't wipe it off.
01:19 AM cncnoob: It is a shame they even sell screws without wipers
01:19 AM pink_vampire: i have china screws on my machine, and they come with covers, and few dents.
01:21 AM cncnoob: I'm happy with the precision I have now and I want to make sure my machine stays this precise so I'm glad I went with the Thomson screws
01:21 AM cncnoob: Hopefully the CNC Fusion guy didn't damage them before he sent them to me.
01:22 AM cncnoob: He makes a lot of those kits so I would *hope* he knew what he was doing, but based on his email comments to me I wonder.
01:27 AM pink_vampire: if he hold the screw in the lathe, you will get a dent.
02:26 AM Deejay: moin
02:26 AM pink_vampire: hi Deejay
02:26 AM Deejay: hi pink
02:27 AM pink_vampire: hi
02:27 AM pink_vampire: how are you
03:59 AM Loetmichel2: hmm, any painters out there? have to order some one-use gloves (the surgical gloves type)... which ones can stand nitro paint thinner? latex, nitril, TPE or vinyl? (if any)
04:00 AM pink_vampire: nitro paint
04:01 AM pink_vampire: Loetmichel2: I have a table here
04:01 AM Loetmichel2: the fast setting paint.
04:01 AM pink_vampire: one sec, let me take a pic
04:03 AM Loetmichel2: linguee says "cellulose thinner" is the correct english term
04:06 AM Loetmichel2: its called "nitroverd√ľnnung" in german
04:06 AM Loetmichel2: and i ran out of gloves to paint prototype enclosures...
04:06 AM Loetmichel2: ... so which glove material will withstand that the longest?
04:06 AM pink_vampire: one sec' i'm upload
04:07 AM pink_vampire: http://i.imgur.com/SQK3gwq.png?1
04:08 AM pink_vampire: Loetmichel2: ^
04:10 AM Loetmichel2: pink_vampire: just that there is no "cellulose thinner" on that list
04:10 AM pink_vampire: i see that now
04:10 AM pink_vampire: lol
04:13 AM pink_vampire: Loetmichel2: http://www.rshughes.com/landing/Chloronite-Glove-Landing-Page.html?gclid=CIi0vdHuhdUCFVeBswodSY4C8A&utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=tgc-chloronite&s_kwcid=AL!4414!3!152407837185!b!!g!!%2Bproof%20%2Bgloves%20%2Bacetone&ef_id=VsLZ6gAABFM0etAb:20170713084237:s
04:18 AM Loetmichel2: *meh* [screeeeech KNACK.... silence] how i hate that sound out of the cnc workshop... there goes the next to last 2mm tungsten carbide mill bit... :-(
04:19 AM pink_vampire: the investigate is much more complicated
04:20 AM Loetmichel2: pink_vampire: thanx, but thats a bit expensive on the shipping to germany ;)
04:20 AM pink_vampire: it is reusable
04:21 AM Loetmichel2: the guy who is just painting with the last pair of lastex gloves explicitly wanted single use ones. because when you paint with them there is a point where reuseable ones convert to medival gauntlets because of the accumulated paint
04:22 AM pink_vampire: just wash them
04:23 AM pink_vampire: I have a problem.
04:24 AM pink_vampire: I'm 96 lbs, and the vise is 60 lbs.
04:24 AM pink_vampire: the vise is on the floor.
04:24 AM pink_vampire: I need to lift the vise to the table of the machine.
04:44 AM Loetmichel2: so?
04:44 AM Loetmichel2: pick it up and place it back on the machine?
04:50 AM pink_vampire: 85% humidity!!!
05:20 AM XXCoder: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8251351552/hE7523FFA/ uhoh! (pretty old pic)
05:32 AM jthornton: morning
05:37 AM Deejay: hey
05:37 AM XXCoder: yo
05:59 AM Loetmichel2: XXCoder: "protect your remaining eye!"
06:00 AM Loetmichel2: pink_vampire: 30kg is something a normal machinist lifts onehanded on the Mill.
06:00 AM XXCoder: do not look at laser with remaining eye
06:01 AM pink_vampire: Loetmichel2: this is why machining is my hobby and not my job.
06:02 AM XXCoder: heh you'd be able to do my job
06:02 AM XXCoder: covers is tiny
06:02 AM XXCoder: 2"x2"x1/2" approx
06:03 AM * Loetmichel2 just lifted a 47kg laserprinter into the measurement chamber for a co-worker thats equally "powerless" :-)
06:04 AM Loetmichel2: "loet, can you help me with that?" $me:"Get out of the way and open the chamber door, i'll do that myself."
06:05 AM Loetmichel2: someimes i wonder how the others here did stuff like that when i wasnt employed here?
06:05 AM XXCoder: magic
06:06 AM pink_vampire: google > female machinist > find that http://pre14.deviantart.net/0103/th/pre/f/2012/019/7/3/machinist_by_iztajupiter-d3lowhx.jpg
06:06 AM pink_vampire: WTF
06:08 AM malcom2073: Shit, that hair would get caught in a lathe in no time
06:09 AM XXCoder: so that's you? ;0
06:09 AM XXCoder: kidding heh
06:09 AM pink_vampire: http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/325/e/c/mechanical_neglect_by_iztajupiter-d3fwqmm.png
06:09 AM pink_vampire: yeah you got me!
06:09 AM malcom2073: Is machinist some weird gothy sub-style now?
06:09 AM jthornton: machine kit maybe
06:13 AM Loetmichel2: hmmm. for female machinist i instantly have "rosie the riveter" appearing in my imagination... not an RL manga.
06:14 AM Loetmichel2: ... maybe i am a bit oldfashioned ;)
06:14 AM XXCoder: would be funny if that lady made everything metal on her
06:14 AM XXCoder: the horns, rivets, everything
06:15 AM Loetmichel2: i think the hosrns ARE stainless
06:16 AM Loetmichel2: that reminds me of a line in fallout4: "its a wonder that you two still pass a metal detector check..."
06:17 AM Loetmichel2: s/wonder/miracle
07:34 AM boddenkreuzer: Hello, last night #IchGucksLive helped me to define my homing sequence. It was quite fast and frankly speaking, I did not get it all
07:35 AM boddenkreuzer: it works, but ...
07:35 AM boddenkreuzer: for example the Y-Axis: HOME=2500 means the value for that axis after homing?
07:37 AM boddenkreuzer: here is my first question mark: MAX_LIMIT=2505
07:38 AM boddenkreuzer: for sure, the HOME_OFFSET = 2504.0 is relevant, but how?
07:39 AM boddenkreuzer: so my understanding is, with positive HOME_SEARCH_VEL it moves towards the switch and reaches it
07:40 AM boddenkreuzer: next it goes ??mm back and comes again with HOME_LATCH_VEL = 2.000000
07:40 AM archivist: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini-homing.html
07:43 AM boddenkreuzer: thanks for the link, its printed in front of me, but Im not sure to interpret the numbers right
07:46 AM archivist: the numbers should be in your machine units inches/mm
07:47 AM archivist: each variable also has some description on the page
10:13 AM pink_vampire: lol http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Layout-Tool-Sharpie-Plotter-Tracer-Haas-Mori-Seiki-Mazak-Hurco-Machining-/122551568839?hash=item1c88a489c7:g:ongAAOSw2xRYR4I-
10:31 AM archivist: colour variation http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/15PCS-2-8mm-Golden-Brass-Rod-Bar-DIY-Watch-Tools-Craft-Parts-Watchmaker-Lathe/152227202549
10:31 AM archivist: what mixture!
10:32 AM archivist: surface finish looks like cast brass
10:32 AM pink_vampire: it look like a water pipe
10:34 AM archivist: pipe has a hole though it
10:35 AM archivist: usually brass bar is extruded and comes with a spec like CZ120 to state the mix/hardness etc
10:37 AM pink_vampire: i was talking about the link above
10:37 AM pink_vampire: http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Layout-Tool-Sharpie-Plotter-Tracer-Haas-Mori-Seiki-Mazak-Hurco-Machining-/122551568839?hash=item1c88a489c7:g:ongAAOSw2xRYR4I-
10:38 AM archivist: many use that technique to practice
10:38 AM pink_vampire: I have some brass here, I hate the material soo much.
10:38 AM pink_vampire: it grub the endmill and kill it on the spot.
10:39 AM archivist: its pretty, used properly
10:39 AM pink_vampire: do you know something about hiwin rails?
10:40 AM archivist: http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_10_07_cnc_Crossing_out/p1010086.jpg
10:40 AM archivist: does not break my endmill :)
10:41 AM archivist: hywin is the cheap stuff
10:41 AM cradek: are you sure you have brass and not copper?
10:41 AM cradek: brass is very easy to machine
10:41 AM pink_vampire: what is the best rails?
10:42 AM archivist: brass does grab if you have the wrong tool
10:42 AM cradek: yeah it can sure grab drills unless they're sharpened for brass
10:42 AM archivist: best !=sensible price
10:42 AM cradek: so I guess it might do that to end mills too, but I haven't had that problem
10:43 AM archivist: same on the lathe needs a flat
10:43 AM pink_vampire: my goal is to 3d machine parts and get a finish that I don't need to sand after.
10:44 AM FinboySlick: pink_vampire: Get a datron ;)
10:44 AM archivist: there is always some finishing to do
10:44 AM cradek: maybe a tumbler would help? is it walnut shells people use?
10:44 AM pink_vampire: to make molds for injection molding.
10:44 AM cradek: ah it's hard to polish the inside of something
10:44 AM FinboySlick: Injection molding? Get a DMG.
10:45 AM archivist: mirror finish does not grow on trees
10:45 AM pink_vampire: FinboySlick: how much the cheapest datron cost?
10:45 AM pink_vampire: archivist: not mirror.. but also not stripes all over
10:47 AM FinboySlick: pink_vampire: An arm, a leg, your two first-born childs (you must have twins) and your eternal soul.
10:48 AM pink_vampire: LOLLL
10:48 AM archivist: even then some finishing needed
10:48 AM pink_vampire: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Lb_-oeAso9U/maxresdefault.jpg
10:48 AM pink_vampire: this is on the 440
10:48 AM archivist: many cheat with barrel polishing
10:48 AM pink_vampire: with gibs!!
10:49 AM archivist: you too can do that with small enough passes
10:49 AM FinboySlick: pink_vampire: tiny end-mills and a very fast spindle might help get towards your goal. But that brings another set of challenges.
10:49 AM FinboySlick: And it'll be very slow.
10:51 AM pink_vampire: <archivist> many cheat with barrel polishing????
10:52 AM pink_vampire: any info about that??
10:52 AM * archivist points at google lots there
10:52 AM pink_vampire: I tried.
10:52 AM FinboySlick: pink_vampire: Essentially, if you take too shallow a cut to cut, you're rubbing the cutter and 'smoothing' the part that way (and destroying your cutter in the process).
10:53 AM pink_vampire: FinboySlick: i know
10:53 AM FinboySlick: But that'll 'polish' your part.
10:54 AM archivist: barrel and vibratory polishing machines vary depending on the items being polished
10:55 AM archivist: as does the media put in with the items
10:55 AM archivist: can be dry or wet
10:55 AM pink_vampire: that??????
10:55 AM pink_vampire: https://www.grainger.com/product/19RE95&AL!2966!3!56542746837!!!g!104634624597!?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIprSlwciG1QIVTFYNCh0ywgR9EAQYAiABEgKKv_D_BwE&cm_mmc=PPC:+Google+PLA?campaignid=175665117&s_kwcid=AL!2966!3!56542746837!!!!104634624597!&ef_id=VsLZ6gAABFM0etAb:20170713152500:s
10:56 AM archivist: no
10:56 AM archivist: http://www.eileenmoylan.com/2013/02/barrel-polishing-resolutions/
10:58 AM archivist: https://dir.indiamart.com/impcat/polishing-barrel.html
10:58 AM pink_vampire: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-e_a_bmd4PcM/UZo8zEXqS4I/AAAAAAAAAqY/JI68koGb_X4/s1600/cylinder_honing.jpg
10:58 AM pink_vampire: what is that????
10:59 AM archivist: what its title is, engine cylinder hone
10:59 AM pink_vampire: is that an end mill?
10:59 AM archivist: no, bits of grind stone on flexible wires
11:02 AM CaptHindsight: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/lil-23500/overview/ I've used these with progressively finer stones and then compound to polish the insides of tubes
11:02 AM pink_vampire: they use it with re regular drill
11:03 AM archivist: or pillar drill
11:03 AM pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZafrlCsnCLs
11:03 AM pink_vampire: just normal drill
11:06 AM CaptHindsight: If I had to do a bunch of them I'd order them polished from the factory :)
11:07 AM pink_vampire: CaptHindsight: the rails/
11:07 AM pink_vampire: ?
11:31 AM GBeard: hello wiseguys and gurus
11:32 AM GBeard: how goes it good people?
11:32 AM pink_vampire: GBeard: FINE
11:32 AM GBeard: good good glad to hear it
11:33 AM pink_vampire: dig the part from the stock.
11:33 AM GBeard: hopefully i can tax someones knowledge and help me get this thing to work correctly
11:35 AM GBeard: i have an issue with homing
11:36 AM JT-Shop: we just ask the question around here
11:37 AM GBeard: well when i click home all the z axis moves up as it should, trips the limit switch, backs off then heads to home, but it moves up to the home location instead of down
11:38 AM GBeard: even if i use negative numbers in stepconf
11:39 AM JT-Shop: in your ini file what is HOME_OFFSET?
11:39 AM GBeard: i have no idea
11:39 AM GBeard: currently just working with stepconfg
11:40 AM JT-Shop: can you find your ini file?
11:41 AM JT-Shop: I suppose in SCW it's called Home location:
11:42 AM GBeard: ah ok
11:43 AM GBeard: so currently
11:43 AM GBeard: home location = -96
11:43 AM GBeard: table travel = -99 to 0
11:44 AM GBeard: home switch location -98
11:44 AM GBeard: home search 1.5
11:44 AM GBeard: latch = same
11:44 AM JT-Shop: please use pastebin for long posts
11:44 AM JT-Shop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
11:46 AM GBeard: if i change those settings to: say 3, 0 to 99, 2. i get the same result. after it finds the limiter is runs the wrong way
11:47 AM JT-Shop: for example my BP Z axis settings http://paste.ubuntu.com/25082907/
11:49 AM GBeard: pretty much the same as i have it then
11:50 AM GBeard: except i presume you are working in inches and my axis is larger
11:50 AM JT-Shop: so open your ini file and look at axis 2 (z) and see what your settings are
11:52 AM GBeard: i believe axis 3 is z axis in mine
11:52 AM GBeard: nope you are right axis 2
11:52 AM JT-Shop: pastebin that axis
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: hi from Germany
11:53 AM GBeard: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25082932/
11:53 AM GBeard: hi again gucks
11:53 AM GBeard: how are you friend?
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: im fine
11:53 AM GBeard: glad to hear it buddy
11:53 AM JT-Shop: I'd make home = 0
11:54 AM JT-Shop: add HOME_OFFSET = some small value to move off the switch like 1-2mm
11:54 AM GBeard: that wont work
11:54 AM GBeard: 0 would crash into the base if i have any tool tip in
11:54 AM IchGucksLive: i drife HOME at X 5 Y 5 Z -5
11:55 AM JT-Shop: then your axis is configured wrong 0 should be all the way up
11:55 AM GBeard: well i can do that and i have
11:55 AM GBeard: the result is the same
11:57 AM JT-Shop: which way does the axis move when doing the initial home move?
11:57 AM IchGucksLive: JT-Shop: as it showes
11:57 AM GBeard: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25082950/
11:57 AM GBeard: it moves up
11:57 AM GBeard: hits the switch, backs off, then goes up and up and up......
11:58 AM GBeard: which of course it cannot since its at its limit
11:58 AM JT-Shop: sure you have it configured to do that
11:58 AM JT-Shop: home -96 + home offset -98 = final home position of -194
11:59 AM JT-Shop: is that where you want the axis to stop at?
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: GBeard: change min and Max limit
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: MIN_LIMIT = -99
11:59 AM IchGucksLive: MAX_LIMIT = 0.5
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: HOME_OFFSET = 0
12:00 PM * JT-Shop wanders off now too many cooks in the kitchen now
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: HOME = -5
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: THIS will do the trick
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: GBeard: you need to understand that HOME_OFFSET triggers the Switch not the HOME
12:01 PM GBeard: i understand this
12:02 PM GBeard: as far as i understand it should move to the homeswitch location, back off then move to the home location.
12:03 PM IchGucksLive: yes
12:03 PM GBeard: but no matter what the settings it moves up to reach the home location not down
12:03 PM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-homing.html#_homing_sequence
12:04 PM GBeard: ive read it
12:04 PM GBeard: i get the premise
12:05 PM IchGucksLive: GBeard: DO y<ou got the Switch down not up
12:05 PM IchGucksLive: How the Hell Razzer whoudt do that
12:06 PM GBeard: a switch at the top and one at the bottom
12:06 PM IchGucksLive: if you fail with a given part on table you need to demount the part to get it run again NO WAY Replace the switch
12:06 PM GBeard: switch is fine
12:06 PM IchGucksLive: GBeard: then use that on the top
12:06 PM GBeard: i can see them working fine in hal viewer
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: connect the upper one to Axis.2.home-sw-in
12:07 PM GBeard: they are connected properly
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: in the Mashine HAL file
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: Then it shoudt work
12:09 PM GBeard: i know
12:09 PM GBeard: lol
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: if you put the numbers in i gave you it will work
12:09 PM GBeard: i might make a vid so you can see what im talking about
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: no need
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: the numbers is the only thing that counts
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: Please past the INI FULL again
12:09 PM gregcnc: why is min limit a greater value than max limit?
12:09 PM GBeard: i tried your settings. its saying end of move in home state 7
12:10 PM JT-Shop: gregcnc: that is normal for the Z axis to be that way as down is - and up is +
12:10 PM GBeard: yes
12:11 PM GBeard: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25083012/
12:12 PM GBeard: wait the ini is wrong...
12:14 PM GBeard: ok...
12:14 PM GBeard: so i think stepconfig is messing things up
12:14 PM GBeard: its not saving the settings correctly
12:14 PM IchGucksLive: NO
12:15 PM GBeard: when i do it manually in the ini file its fine
12:15 PM IchGucksLive: You afre the first one that has trouble
12:15 PM IchGucksLive: YOU did Get MAX MIN MESSED up
12:15 PM GBeard: i showed you the ini file. those were not the settings i input into stepconfig
12:15 PM IchGucksLive: FIRST we Need to know if the mashine moves correct
12:15 PM GBeard: it does
12:15 PM IchGucksLive: PRESS on the AXIS Screen Z -
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: it shoudt move DOWN
12:16 PM GBeard: and now i changed the ini file directly it is homing correctly
12:16 PM IchGucksLive: AH see The numbers work for you
12:16 PM GBeard: but i just changed the nubers in stepconfig and save it and now the ini is back to default.
12:16 PM GBeard: strange
12:17 PM GBeard: mmm
12:17 PM gregcnc: once you manually edit stop using the wizard
12:17 PM GBeard: x and y are not trying to home tho....
12:17 PM GBeard: home all only homes z
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: YES you forgot the HOME_SEQUENCE =
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: at the Axis_0
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: Axis_1
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: Axis_0
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: HOME_SEQUENCE = 1
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: Axis_1
12:18 PM GBeard: yeah i think im going to edit the ini directly from now on. step conf doesnt work modifying
12:19 PM IchGucksLive: HOME_SEQUENCE = 2
12:19 PM IchGucksLive: WHEN you modifi it will redo all y<our nice numbers
12:20 PM GBeard: so only works with new file
12:20 PM GBeard: get it
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: stepconf makes you a clean working mashine conf fro there its up to you how the looklike and behavier is
12:21 PM GBeard: mm
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: or inch
12:22 PM GBeard: ok so z is homing fine, but i cant jog. it says exceeded positive oft limit on joint2 and same for negative
12:23 PM IchGucksLive: GBeard: i need tro see the Real INI file
12:23 PM GBeard: sure ill show the one that im currently using.
12:25 PM GBeard: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25083079/
12:28 PM JT-Shop: limits are backwards
12:29 PM GBeard: how so?
12:29 PM JT-Shop: latch vel should be much lower than search velocity
12:30 PM JT-Shop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
12:30 PM JT-Shop: look at my z
12:30 PM GBeard: that was blank
12:30 PM JT-Shop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25082907/
12:30 PM JT-Shop: dunno why it did that
12:31 PM JT-Shop: min limit is where you want it to stop when you press the - key in axis for Z
12:31 PM * Tom_itx blows the lunch whistle
12:31 PM JT-Shop: what's for lunch?
12:32 PM Tom_itx: haven't made it to the food line yet
12:32 PM GBeard: nice ok making progress
12:33 PM GBeard: thanks. i think the issue was i was using stepconf to make chages and it wasnt saving them so i was so confused that none of my settings made a difference. lesson learned, work directly in the ini file lol
12:33 PM JT-Shop: might have more than one config...
12:34 PM JT-Shop: stepconf writes over the ini, and the hal file each time you save
12:34 PM gregcnc: jt-shop isn't that what I said, or am I confused
12:34 PM GBeard: i have no idea. all i know is no matter what i chaged the results were the same, so it completely confused me.
12:34 PM JT-Shop: changed in stepconf or the ini file?
12:34 PM GBeard: it doesnt appear to save any of my changes in stepconf..
12:35 PM GBeard: when i load up stepconf it shows those changes but when i look in the ini they are just the default settings. strange
12:35 PM JT-Shop: your thinking backwards, stepconf will write over the ini but does NOT read the ini
12:35 PM GBeard: what i mean
12:36 PM JT-Shop: so if you make changes to the ini you don't use stepconf any more
12:36 PM GBeard: if i open the ini in step conf and change say home latch from 0.5 to 20 for example, when i load stepconf again it shows that it is now 20. but if i open the ini file it is still 0.5
12:37 PM JT-Shop: stepconf does not open the ini file
12:37 PM Tom_itx: maybe stepconfig should give a warning if .ini has been altered outside it
12:37 PM GBeard: i dont need step conf. i understand how the ini file works so im good now.
12:37 PM JT-Shop: it opens yourconfigname.stepc or something like that
12:37 PM Tom_itx: what does stepconfig open then?
12:37 PM JT-Shop: look in /linuxcnc/configs for the stepconf files
12:37 PM Tom_itx: so you have to copy it to .ini then?
12:38 PM JT-Shop: what is it?
12:38 PM Tom_itx: the .stepc file
12:38 PM JT-Shop: you don't copy anything to the ini file
12:38 PM Tom_itx: i've never used stepconfig
12:38 PM archivist: stepconf and the other thing are buggy in that they overwrite any edits you do, there is a kludge workaround using includes
12:38 PM JT-Shop: stepconf creates a file like /linuxcnc/configs/myconfig.stepconf
12:39 PM Tom_itx: ok
12:39 PM JT-Shop: and when you open stepconf again it reads the .stepconf file and when you save it writes "NEW" ini and hal files
12:39 PM Tom_itx: so i'm kinda glad i've never used it
12:40 PM JT-Shop: anyone can "fix" stepconf if they like
12:40 PM Tom_itx: yeah
12:41 PM Tom_itx: is it in c, python or what?
12:41 PM JT-Shop: python I think
12:41 PM Tom_itx: i don't do python
12:41 PM Tom_itx: :)
12:41 PM JT-Shop: well python and the old glade
12:48 PM phipli: evening
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: phipli: Night
12:48 PM phipli: night IchGucksLive
12:48 PM GBeard: night
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: still up
12:48 PM GBeard: thanks for the help buddy
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: GBeard: does it work now
12:49 PM GBeard: getting there
12:49 PM IchGucksLive: GBeard: on what contoinent are you
12:49 PM GBeard: now i can see the results of my changes im making progress
12:49 PM GBeard: 2 axis homing correctly now. just doing the last one
12:49 PM IchGucksLive: im iun germany
12:49 PM GBeard: UK
12:49 PM IchGucksLive: oh the tyrann state
12:50 PM GBeard: lol
12:50 PM GBeard: the state that is escaping the sinking ship which is EU :P
12:51 PM GBeard: the captain goes down with the ship bro..... lol :P
12:51 PM phipli: By jumping into the sea without a lifevest?
12:51 PM IchGucksLive: agrees wit 200% export benefit
12:51 PM GBeard: without a life jacket? over 19% of the entire gdp of europe is UK
12:52 PM IchGucksLive: phipli: no the caiptain escapes first with the nicest stuardess on board
12:52 PM IchGucksLive: like concordia
12:53 PM GBeard: so out of the 28 countries in the eu UK had over 19% of the entire gdp
12:53 PM GBeard: second only to germany, possibly france now.
12:53 PM IchGucksLive: agree
12:53 PM IchGucksLive: it also benefitted 34% on agrar
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: second of france
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: GBeard: lotso f goods
12:55 PM GBeard: Eventually we would have been forced to take the euro. and that currency is a death sentance. look at greece, spain and italy. thats 3 of the most well-known and powerful eu states....
12:55 PM GBeard: 3 of the big 5....
12:55 PM GBeard: lol doesnt look good.
12:55 PM GBeard: anyways my dinner is ready. salmon. yummy. brb afk till im done
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: also agree on giving nonworker more then worker from the EU gdp
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: oh just in tonight is a ASTRO meeting so lots of stars to see
01:00 PM phipli: anyone built a laser reflective tachometer?
01:00 PM phipli: I have the laser diodes, waiting for the phototransistors to arrive
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: there are on ebay for less then 10USD
01:00 PM phipli: yeah... but thats no fun
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: agree
01:00 PM phipli: (I have a handheld one, wanted to build one into something)
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: build a 7seg and nice stuff around
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: use a NONO and start pcb
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: NANO
01:01 PM phipli: or use a 1602 - they're so cheap
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: but tiny
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: go for 4Inch
01:02 PM phipli: :)
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: make it interest
01:02 PM phipli: I tend to use the pro mini and pro micro
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: use anodes on a 7219
01:02 PM phipli: prefer them to the nanos
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: use HC-05 to tak from mashine to Display
01:03 PM phipli: great little boards
01:03 PM IchGucksLive: write androuid app
01:03 PM phipli: not used them so much lately because I use the esp8266 as an arduino for most things
01:03 PM IchGucksLive: OH wait its 2feed behind me
01:03 PM IchGucksLive: as i did that last week to show the harwester field number to the public
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: with Dimmer to be night and day
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: GPS located field numbers
01:04 PM phipli: did you find a nice big seven seg like you were trying to?
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: i build my own
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: now i got it ad 40000mcd
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: it beams you of the sun
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: if you are in 20feed
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: at a 0.1A rate
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: in nigt mode it takes al littel as 40ma
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: on 7x3x3 LED
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: at 20ma
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: let me upload the Test VID
01:06 PM phipli: use the brightness feature on the 7219?
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: yes
01:07 PM IchGucksLive: the full multiplex mode is the real target and spacing the system
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: http://tv-profi-gmbh.de/display.mp4
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: phipli: can you get the vid
01:15 PM phipli: nice :)
01:18 PM JT-Shop: phipli: I've been working on cleaning up the sample NTP client and have what I think is a good one now
01:21 PM IchGucksLive: its a cheep version
01:21 PM IchGucksLive: you can go for a big big big on the ULN/UDN setup
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: ok im off GN8
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: making telescope redy loding batterys
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: and oiling the voice for the night discussion
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: till tomorrow
01:27 PM GBeard: hello
01:27 PM GBeard: the salmon was good
01:27 PM GBeard: :P
01:29 PM GBeard: is there anything i can do in the ini file to flip and axis?
01:29 PM phipli: JT-Shop : what did you change?
01:29 PM Tom_itx: yes
01:29 PM Tom_itx: scale
01:29 PM roycroft: we're still getting fresh copper river sockeye
01:30 PM roycroft: usually that's over by mid june - i don't know what's the deal this year
01:30 PM Tom_itx: GBeard change +scale to -scale
01:30 PM GBeard: x axis is running in the opposite direction to the image on linux cnc
01:30 PM GBeard: ok ill see if i can find it
01:30 PM Tom_itx: in the axis section
01:32 PM GBeard: nice. thanx tom
01:32 PM GBeard: oh my goodness shes home!
01:32 PM JT-Shop: give me a minute it's down in the beer cave
01:33 PM JT-Shop: 500 crickets just arrived
01:33 PM Tom_itx: don't let them go in the beer cave
01:34 PM JT-Shop: yea my wife would freak out
01:40 PM GBeard: ok so there is potential for a first cut here i believe
01:41 PM GBeard: im looking at the linux cnc test file that loads by default. any way to scale it up a bit?
01:42 PM cradek: isn't there a scale value at the beginning?
01:42 PM GBeard: perhaps i am missing it. i am a virgin with this software
01:46 PM GBeard: there is writing in the bottom window that says if the program is too big or too small for your machine.... below that is #<depth> and #<scale> but im not seeing a way to modify it
01:48 PM GBeard: any suggestions?
01:48 PM JT-Shop: File > Edit
01:49 PM JT-Shop: providing an editor is specified in the ini file
01:49 PM GBeard: ah i dont expect i have one
01:49 PM GBeard: what editor do you reccomend?
01:49 PM cradek: that won't work for the splash screen. Save a copy and edit that.
01:49 PM phipli: vi
01:49 PM JT-Shop: just try file edit and you will see if it is configured or not
01:50 PM GBeard: nothing happens
01:50 PM JT-Shop: it offers to save it when you try and edit it
01:50 PM GBeard: originally it said i had to save it as it read only
01:50 PM GBeard: yes
01:50 PM JT-Shop: hmm I assume debian wheezy
01:50 PM GBeard: now it does nothing when i press edit
01:50 PM GBeard: yes its the Os with linuxcnc built in
01:50 PM JT-Shop: open your ini file and look in the [DISPLAY]
01:50 PM GBeard: so debian
01:50 PM JT-Shop: section
01:51 PM JT-Shop: click on a .txt file to open the editor and help about will tell you which one you have
01:52 PM GBeard: which ini file? for my cnc setup? if so it says: Display= sxis
01:52 PM GBeard: ok so i know the location of the file and i can choose which program to open it with. will any text editor do?
01:54 PM GBeard: or do ngc files require a specific program
01:57 PM GBeard: can i not just sepcify the size within linux cnc?
01:57 PM phipli: JT-Shop: that shuttle thing for the chicken door is half cut. Tested the fit on the lead nut and it is looking good :)
01:58 PM JT-Shop: nice
01:58 PM JT-Shop: 500 crickets looks more like 200 to me lol
01:58 PM phipli: Weigh 10
01:58 PM phipli: then weigh all of them
01:59 PM phipli: Might have to tell them to stand still while you do it
01:59 PM phipli: given any to your girls yet?
01:59 PM phipli: (and boy)
02:00 PM JT-Shop: trying to separate the dead ones now
02:00 PM phipli: which are you planning to feed them first?
02:00 PM phipli: :)
02:01 PM JT-Shop: yea they don't care if the crickets are alive or dead lol
02:02 PM JT-Shop: you have mail
02:02 PM phipli: the movement gets their attention
02:02 PM phipli: lol - mk 27
02:03 PM phipli: when our door control software gain self awareness and wipe out the human race, at least they'll have each other for company
02:07 PM JT-Shop: lol
02:07 PM JT-Shop: so far only one escapee
02:12 PM phipli: did you catch it?
02:12 PM JT-Shop: no it went under my desk
02:13 PM JT-Shop: a few have wings so they need to be caught and put in a separate container with bedding material
02:13 PM JT-Shop: quite a few very small ones as well
02:38 PM rene-dev: seb_kuzminsky Hi
02:38 PM rene-dev: seb_kuzminsky I added the documentation
02:42 PM Crom: alumitube interesting channel
03:26 PM seb_kuzminsky: thanks rene-dev! let's give jepler a chance to look at it, but your branch looks good to me
03:27 PM rene-dev: the buttons always appear, so a user can change the view. maybe useful if you have front and back tooling on the lathe...
03:27 PM rene-dev: the invertex x does not show for mills.
03:28 PM rene-dev: shoulf not break any existing configs
03:28 PM rene-dev: any idea where to look for the grid and tool preview issue?
03:33 PM seb_kuzminsky: rene-dev: no, i have no idea about that, sorry
03:37 PM rene-dev: do you think it helps if I file a bug?
03:37 PM seb_kuzminsky: it sure won't hurt!
03:37 PM rene-dev: maybe someone knows...
04:42 PM Deejay: gn8
05:02 PM rene-dev: seb_kuzminsky done... https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/304
05:05 PM seb_kuzminsky: thanks
05:06 PM seb_kuzminsky: it's helpful if you can indicate what version you observed the problem in
05:06 PM seb_kuzminsky: you can run scripts/get-version-from-git to get that info
05:25 PM Skullworks: seb - need any HDD's for the build bots.
05:31 PM rene-dev: seb_kuzminsky done... I also updated the wiki
05:32 PM seb_kuzminsky: Skullworks: thanks, but i think i'm good on storage for the moment!
05:34 PM Skullworks: Well if you, or anyone else who is doing dev work need any, I have piles here I am willing to donate and ship on my dime.
05:36 PM Skullworks: used pulls from offlease systems that per contract had to be deep wiped (DBAN).
06:10 PM cradek: I don't need any either, but I appreciate the offer
06:32 PM roycroft: is there another name for ball oilers?
06:32 PM roycroft: i.e. the little brass inserts with ball bearings in them that permit one to oil machinery ways, etc.
06:32 PM roycroft: i have a bunch, but they're all 6mm and 8mm, and when i do searches on "ball oiler" all i get is those
06:33 PM roycroft: i need 1/4" diameter ones
06:33 PM cradek: oil zerk?
06:33 PM roycroft: hmm
06:33 PM BeachBumPete: button oilers
06:33 PM roycroft: i'll try that
06:34 PM Tom_itx: http://www.abmtools.com/product/press-button-oiler-drive-fit/
06:34 PM roycroft: aah, mcmaster have some "oil fittings"
06:35 PM roycroft: zps though, and i prefer brass
06:35 PM roycroft: but if zps is what i can get i'll probably take them
06:37 PM roycroft: i like the ebay ones better, even though they don't fit
06:38 PM roycroft: because all the not ebay ones i'm finding are 10x more expensive
06:38 PM roycroft: oh well
06:39 PM roycroft: darn taiwanese machinery from the '80s
06:39 PM roycroft: it's half us customary, half metric
06:39 PM roycroft: every fastener/component was made in unknown units, and i have to measure both ways to sort out what's wht
06:52 PM Skullworks: Sounds like Chevy - need both Inch and Metric tools for fastners on the alternator.
06:55 PM malcom2073: Ugh, that pisses me of so much when working on my cars
07:01 PM roycroft: if we would only dump our antiquated, parochial system of measurements and join the entire rest of the world (except burma and bermuda), the problem would go away
07:07 PM malcom2073: Gotta keep our freedom units
07:08 PM malcom2073: I do my part: I try to do most everything in metric wherever I can, be it machining or choosing hardware
07:11 PM roycroft: metric tooling costs 3-4x what american customary tooling costs, sadly
07:11 PM roycroft: i machine in inches for that reason
07:12 PM roycroft: but we need to just bite the bullet and convert once and for all
07:12 PM roycroft: industry has been half or more metric for decades
07:12 PM roycroft: we can't export anything that's not metric
07:12 PM roycroft: nobody else in the world would buy it
07:12 PM BeachBumPete: like hell LOL
07:13 PM roycroft: the burmese market is just not that large
07:31 PM rene-dev: seb_kuzminsky im very close to the bug...
07:33 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
07:47 PM Skullworks: rene - which bug?
07:47 PM rene-dev: Skullworks https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/304
07:48 PM rene-dev: y2 view seems to be buggy
07:49 PM Skullworks: Is this to display front toolpost - or rear, like a turret?
07:49 PM rene-dev: rear
07:49 PM rene-dev: back tool lathe
07:50 PM archivist: what about a lathe with both front and back :)
07:50 PM rene-dev: its just the flip of the preview, you can write gcode to do what ever you want :D
07:51 PM rene-dev: but in the flipped view the grid and tool preview is missing
07:51 PM Skullworks: Archivist has dual funct as Devil's advocate.
07:52 PM archivist: and this in the garage http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bechler
07:52 PM archivist: its a sliding head lathe
07:53 PM archivist: front and back are actually on a rocker
07:53 PM Skullworks: swiss type or screw machine type/
07:54 PM archivist: swiss
07:55 PM rene-dev: front back top bottom lathe
07:57 PM archivist: plus the drilling and slotter accessories
09:45 PM BeachBumPete: Well the Rifle Stock Inletting Test went rather well tonight :)
09:49 PM BeachBumPete: http://imgur.com/a/qgiAE
09:58 PM Tom_L: looks good
10:02 PM BeachBumPete: Thanks Tom
10:02 PM BeachBumPete: there is still a couple cuts that need to be made but the major stuff worked flawlessly
10:03 PM BeachBumPete: it does not look all that complicated but it took awhile to get this done
10:23 PM rene-dev: seb_kuzminsky fixed :) please review