#linuxcnc Logs

Jul 09 2017

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:18 AM XXCoder: nice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb3hrjEiE3s can use that for cnc router too
01:20 AM pink_vampire: XXCoder: http://i.imgur.com/YasqA4M.png
01:20 AM XXCoder: raspi zero?
01:20 AM pink_vampire: no
01:20 AM XXCoder: youre using it to control the 3 light indictor status right?
01:20 AM pink_vampire: it is my stack light controller.
01:20 AM pink_vampire: correct
01:20 AM XXCoder: yeah thought so
02:01 AM jesseg: So when you guys convert a bridgeport style knee mill to CNC, do you motorize the quill or the knee for Z?
02:01 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
02:02 AM jesseg: Good morning, IchGucksLive
02:03 AM XXCoder: hey
02:04 AM XXCoder: jesseg: dunno I have seen ones where z just arent automated
02:04 AM IchGucksLive: i did sleep well after the first power to the new 5-axis seria
02:04 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: plasma
02:04 AM XXCoder: 5 axis plasma?
02:05 AM IchGucksLive: this are cool
02:05 AM IchGucksLive: like amrerican chooper
02:07 AM IchGucksLive: oh its a flowjet
02:08 AM IchGucksLive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQzP65UFcl4
02:09 AM XXCoder: yeah wow been a while since last watched that show
02:10 AM IchGucksLive: for me here it gets more pro now as more and more BIG names jump in
02:11 AM IchGucksLive: like HAAS Siemens VW and now the REXroth Bosch service
02:11 AM IchGucksLive: WHY>
02:11 AM XXCoder: wow this is all kjinds of awesome. too bad it's so toxic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im_2OIs_mns
02:11 AM IchGucksLive: they need good educated workers
02:12 AM IchGucksLive: and now on the market nothing more to gap
02:12 AM IchGucksLive: they start going to schools
02:12 AM IchGucksLive: first with deep shock
02:12 AM IchGucksLive: as most are stock in 1990
02:13 AM IchGucksLive: so they decided to found new technics
02:13 AM IchGucksLive: so im now getting rail systems i never thought about
02:13 AM IchGucksLive: 12 PD5
02:14 AM IchGucksLive: at 250USD eatch i normaly work on 20USD PC
02:14 AM XXCoder: wow
02:14 AM IchGucksLive: now down latency from 50k+ to 5k-
02:14 AM IchGucksLive: non that TB66600 to DQ524
02:15 AM IchGucksLive: so i can go beond 12m/min
02:15 AM IchGucksLive: no loss
02:15 AM XXCoder: 12 meter a min? pretty fast
02:16 AM IchGucksLive: i usely work on ini VEL 40 ACC 120
02:16 AM IchGucksLive: now i use 200 800
02:17 AM IchGucksLive: what a step to the university
02:17 AM IchGucksLive: and the "OLD" goes to the pro education
02:17 AM IchGucksLive: so it steps up
02:20 AM IchGucksLive: im off 2 garden the BULLRUN today diden got that mutch interest only 1 to hospital
02:20 AM XXCoder: later
02:23 AM Deejay: moin
03:15 AM LeelooMinai: Hmm, looking at the Chinese software for the microinverter array (works with an RF "hub" that gathers data from microinverters.) It's Windows based, but looks nice.
03:16 AM LeelooMinai: Not sure yet though if the microinverter buffers the data inside for some period, or it just broadcasts and forgets. In the latter case I would need to either RE the protocol or have some PC running Windows 24h per day.
03:17 AM archivist: microinverter?
03:17 AM LeelooMinai: Which makes me wonder if there are some setups for Windows that are tiny, use not a lot of power and cheap, like RPI
03:17 AM XXCoder: not very likely?
03:17 AM LeelooMinai: I mean hardware setups.
03:18 AM LeelooMinai: archivist: Right, it's like inverter for solar panels, but it's small and attached directly to the panel - it outputs AC, so no need for expensive power cables, etc.
03:18 AM LeelooMinai: And you can chain them.
03:19 AM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: Just googled and found some weird Intel thingy, but it's close to $200.
03:19 AM LeelooMinai: "Intel compute stick" - whatever:)
03:19 AM LeelooMinai: All I need is one free USB port probably to connect the RF modem.
03:20 AM XXCoder: honestly better go linux than not linux
03:20 AM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: But the app is Windows and I cannot see any protocols docs, so to use Linux would require time and effort.
03:21 AM XXCoder: doh
03:21 AM XXCoder: wine no run it?
03:21 AM LeelooMinai: And I have one debian PC running 24h/day anyways.
03:21 AM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: Hmm... Never used that thing - can it fotward USB somehow?
03:22 AM XXCoder: it uses windows compitable api to run windows programs
03:22 AM XXCoder: though its not perfect
03:22 AM LeelooMinai: I guess I could also try VM maybe...
03:23 AM LeelooMinai: Recently I kind of overpowered that Linux machine (by "accident":), so, right, I guess I need to investigate.
03:23 AM XXCoder: vm is less fun but yeah could do it.
03:24 AM LeelooMinai: What is a sensible VM to use on Debian?
03:25 AM LeelooMinai: I use VirtualBox on Windows: seems it works on Linux too.
03:26 AM XXCoder: likely to work yeah
05:43 AM jthornton: morning
05:44 AM XXCoder: yo
06:42 AM jthornton: I just love example programs with 0 comments
07:23 AM archivist: especially with random teller named variables
07:24 AM archivist: =teller
07:24 AM archivist: I meant letter :)
07:24 AM phipli: afternoon
07:24 AM archivist: letter inversion syndrome :)
07:25 AM archivist: just listening to the mill in the garage
07:26 AM archivist: old horizontal just eats some types of job if you can get them on the table and under the cutter support
07:34 AM jthornton: finally found the docs on the library and the first example I tried failed to run lol
07:39 AM archivist: some of these "libraries" are a bit poor, not helped by some of the crazy stuff china makes
08:16 AM * jthornton ponders a way to get the sheet metal back up without damaging it
08:21 AM * Tom_L wonders why jthornton keeps knocking stock over
08:21 AM Tom_L: ahh wait.. you're putting in an ac...
08:23 AM jthornton: aye, got the J trim in yesterday now I need to fit the sheets back up
08:24 AM malcom2073: jthornton: "Self documenting" code
08:25 AM jthornton: like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/25053271/
08:28 AM malcom2073: Seems faily simple, but only because I'm familiar with the libraries being used
08:29 AM malcom2073: Definently written by someone who gives zero fucks about users :P
08:29 AM jthornton: yea some stuff I can't figure out if it's even used lol
08:30 AM malcom2073: Whatcha need help with?
08:31 AM jthornton: I don't see where handleNotFound() is called or why it's there
08:31 AM malcom2073: server.onNotFound(handleNotFound);
08:31 AM malcom2073: its called when the server gets a request that does not exist
08:32 AM jthornton: what does this do MDNS.begin("esp8266")
08:32 AM malcom2073: MDNS is a way that other devices on the network can "scan" and find your device, rather than knowing the IP address right off
08:33 AM malcom2073: So this advertizes your device on the local network for them to find
08:33 AM jthornton: ah thanks
08:35 AM jthornton: I wonder why you would do that when the ESP8266WiFi library has WiFi.scanNetworks()
08:35 AM malcom2073: MDNS is for when you're already on a network
08:35 AM malcom2073: scanNetworks finds a network to connect to
08:36 AM jthornton: ok thanks
08:36 AM jthornton: time for breakfast :)
09:02 AM rene-dev: andypugh did you manage to find a setup that works? or even better, one that doesnt work? :D
09:14 AM phipli: jthornton: username and password!
09:14 AM phipli: (exactly the reason I moved them to a file in the flash on the esp8266 - saved me having to constantly remember to remove them from the source code!
09:14 AM phipli: )
09:17 AM JT-Shop: I think it is a standard one
09:18 AM JT-Shop: anyone close enough to use that will be in my yard and looking at the wrong end of a gun!
09:19 AM phipli: heh
09:19 AM JT-Shop: main thing I'm trying to do now is have a web page with the door status displayed and I think I can do that with just the ESP8266WiFi library
09:19 AM phipli: I made something for switching a remote relay once...
09:19 AM phipli: I wonder if that is any use to you
09:20 AM phipli: (just a mo - setting the next acrylic test running)
09:22 AM phipli: I'll stick a few more comments in it
09:28 AM JT-Shop: ok thanks
09:36 AM phipli: JT-Shop: do you use a specific syntax in pastebin?
09:36 AM phipli: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25053682/
09:37 AM phipli: (that access point doesn't exist as it was a temporary one for Halloween :)
09:38 AM JT-Shop: just text
10:00 AM phipli: Bah
10:00 AM phipli: I don't have any two flute or single flute tools in the correct size
10:02 AM JT-Shop: sheetmetal laying on the ground last night had a gallon of condensation on the underside lol
10:03 AM phipli: whoops
10:04 AM JT-Shop: drying off now before the sheetmetal rodeo starts lol
10:52 AM andypugh: rene-dev: Yes, I now have a succesfully not-working setup :-)
11:13 AM JT-Shop: damn that second sheet was a rodeo getting it back in and the lip under the sheet next to it
11:13 AM JT-Shop: and under the lip
11:15 AM rene-dev: andypugh good to hear that you got it not-working!
11:38 AM IchGucksLive: hi from Germany
11:39 AM Deejay: o7
11:43 AM andypugh: Is there a good 3D printing channel? I am wonderng what needs to be tweaked to fix a problem I am seeing with Cura (but not seeing with the Autodesk slicer)
11:44 AM SpeedEvil: There is #reprap
11:44 AM SpeedEvil: But.
11:48 AM andypugh: Well, yes, but I am not useing a reprap, or any part of their ecology.
11:48 AM jthornton: they guys on robots are a bit nicer to talk to usually
11:48 AM IchGucksLive: andypugh: is the mesh clean and watertight
11:49 AM IchGucksLive: i always like to check on blender for nonmanifaults
11:50 AM andypugh: The problem is lumps where the fill runs touch the perimiter. Eventually the part gets so lumpy it gets knocked off the platform.
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: pcw_home: are you on
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: andy are you the one that is hihly ivolved into pncconf
12:04 PM andypugh: IchGucksLive: No. In fact I dont think I have even used it.
12:05 PM andypugh: (I tend to be working with Mesa cards that are not supported by anything yet, which is why I tend to have them)
12:06 PM andypugh: You want Chris Morley, but I don’t often see him here. He is active on the Forum though.
12:06 PM IchGucksLive: thanks
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: Deejay: still no rain here
12:49 PM IchGucksLive: im closing for today
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
12:58 PM Tom_L: andypugh, there's about 3-4 ppl in #3d-printing
12:59 PM andypugh: Yes, quite. I found that and it seemed quiet.
01:00 PM Tom_L: i avoid #reprap more than i avoid #electonics :D
01:09 PM JT-Shop: andypugh: do you have a photo of the part?
01:13 PM andypugh: calling it a “part” is a bit of an exaggeration
01:13 PM JT-Shop: lol
01:18 PM dioz: i been thinkin about forever
01:19 PM andypugh: JT-Shop: https://goo.gl/photos/5HtdSa4Sq7bvy6Wx5
01:20 PM andypugh: dioz: And now you prayin for the end of time?
01:20 PM JT-Shop: that is pretty lumpy, first layer I assume?
01:20 PM andypugh: Yes
01:20 PM andypugh: Looking at it more carfully, it might be actually poor adhesion.
01:21 PM JT-Shop: or too thick for first layer
01:21 PM JT-Shop: you want to squish the first layer a bit
01:21 PM dioz: fuckin local supplier told me they'd order me some shit... said it would take a day to come in... that was tuesday... haven't heard anything from them yet and i doubt they work on weekends. so it's gonna be almost a week for an item that said 2 days
01:21 PM dioz: should i hulk out?
01:21 PM JT-Shop: what are you printing on?
01:22 PM dioz: if i go in should i cop an attitude?
01:22 PM andypugh: dioz: It rarely helps.
01:23 PM andypugh: JT-Shop: Blue tape. It came already-fitted to the printer. Does it wear out?
01:23 PM Tom_L: sure does
01:23 PM Tom_L: also try kids glue stick
01:24 PM andypugh: I don’t know any kids to steal it from :-)
01:24 PM Tom_L: they use it alot at the local votech
01:24 PM Tom_L: sticks rather well
01:25 PM Tom_L: one guy suggests changing the tape every 3 prints
01:25 PM andypugh: I don’t think I can buy either tape or glue at 1900 on a sunday
01:25 PM Tom_L: some use hairspray
01:26 PM Tom_L: ( the old lady kind )
01:27 PM andypugh: Guess what…
01:28 PM Tom_L: ur not an old lady?
01:30 PM JT-Shop: I use cheap hair spray on PLA on glass
01:30 PM JT-Shop: do you have some wood glue?
01:32 PM * JT-Shop knows more about sheetmetal buildings than he cares too now...
01:37 PM jdh: they are metal
01:38 PM JT-Shop: on the outside yes...
01:38 PM Jymmm: JT-Shop: Yeah, they are hotter than fuck in the summer, and colder than fuck in the winter!
01:38 PM JT-Shop: not mine :)
01:39 PM Jymmm: you have 12" insulation don't you?
01:39 PM MrHindsight: they just require insulation
01:39 PM JT-Shop: almost...
01:40 PM MrHindsight: adding an 8" thick concrete shell also helps
01:47 PM gimps is now known as makelvslack
01:48 PM LeelooMinai: Or 1m of ceramic:p
01:49 PM makelvslack is now known as gimps
01:49 PM andypugh: A couple of layers of bricks with a gap in the middle is also good :-)
01:50 PM andypugh: Stops the sheet-metal falling down too
02:01 PM andypugh: rene-dev: I have a way to make sserial work again, but it’s not the way to do it.
02:04 PM MrHindsight: what should having a 9" x 42" t-slot table reground properly cost? Needs maybe 30-40 thou taken off
02:06 PM andypugh: Probably not very much. Though I am not sure what you would use as the back reference face
02:07 PM andypugh: I would guess at about £200 as that is the lowest I have heard quoted for a lathe bed.
02:10 PM LeelooMinai: http://i.imgur.com/oCOmpe6.jpg :p
02:11 PM MrHindsight: I've fly cut it a few thou already
02:12 PM MrHindsight: looks like someone used it as a welding table at some point
02:13 PM dioz: JT-Shop: you should make me one of these
02:13 PM dioz: http://malcoproducts.com/product/detail/crimper-power-assisted-c5a
02:13 PM dioz: $150 + $50 shipping
02:13 PM dioz: i'm using hand crimpers currently but i imagine this would make things faster
02:13 PM dioz: i already run 2 drills on site
02:14 PM JT-Shop: looks pretty mean to me
02:15 PM JT-Shop: you a duct wacker?
02:15 PM dioz: tin banger yah
02:15 PM dioz: commercial duct install
02:15 PM JT-Shop: yea you get a few duct wacker working and you can't hear anything lol
02:16 PM JT-Shop: I used to do commercial electrician work in a previous life
02:20 PM dioz: when people complain i just make more noise
02:20 PM phipli: yeah, andypugh - I know people that use pritstick as a base for their 3d printing
02:20 PM phipli: *pritt
02:22 PM phipli: dioz - my brother has standards compliant ear defenders with build in headphones
02:24 PM dioz: phipli: i wear headphones and have never been bothered fro it
02:24 PM dioz: they aren't on all the time
02:24 PM dioz: i use them to deaden a lot of sounds though
02:24 PM phipli: it is an interesting thing
02:25 PM phipli: some people get really arsey if you're listening to music when using machines "because you wont hear if someone is calling to you"
02:25 PM phipli: I've heard people say it even in environments where people have to wear ear defenders
02:25 PM phipli: stupid people
02:29 PM JT-Shop: phipli: do you have a short example of storing and retrieving something from the eeprom?
02:30 PM JT-Shop: my googlefu is failing to find a simple example...
02:30 PM LeelooMinai: Especially if they listen to "Frayed ebds if sanity"
02:30 PM LeelooMinai: ends*
03:00 PM phipli: JT-Shop: I'll put something together - it isn't to difficult
03:37 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm
03:39 PM LeelooMinai: So, the Chinese microinverter contraption works, but, the RF part has problems communicating.
03:40 PM LeelooMinai: Now, the question is, does aluminum siding has a big effect on RF? :)
03:40 PM LeelooMinai: Because that's what my house is wrapped with.
03:53 PM phipli: it is a conductive metal
03:53 PM phipli: so probably
03:54 PM LeelooMinai: Right
03:55 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, since panels are very close to the house, I think I will buy DC cable and just move the inverter into the basement - should be good for cooling too.
03:57 PM LeelooMinai: Or, I don't know... I wonder if I could somehow extend the antenna with a cable.
03:58 PM LeelooMinai: A bit weird/lol, but...
03:58 PM LeelooMinai: As long as impedenca is matched, should work I think.
04:03 PM LeelooMinai: On the other hand, pretty sure I was once testing some microcontroller circuit and it was 2.4GHz Nordic RF and it had no problems, so, since this is sub 1Ghz system, maybe it's red herring.
04:06 PM LeelooMinai: Well, the key to troubleshooting is a proper plan. Going to remove the siding from the house - bbl:)
04:08 PM phipli: JT-Shop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25056210/
04:11 PM LeelooMinai: lol: http://i.imgur.com/u5hoN2Z.png
04:13 PM phipli: No idea what you mean. The glory of service is palpable.
04:13 PM XXCoder: LeelooMinai: lol
04:14 PM XXCoder: LeelooMinai: check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjvIpI-1w84
04:14 PM XXCoder: its a busy place we call Null island heh
04:14 PM LeelooMinai: phipli: The glory, palpable... Now, I don't have an idea wht you mean:p
04:16 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: Black hole of information:)
04:17 PM XXCoder: yep lol
04:17 PM JT-Shop: phipli: thanks!
04:17 PM JT-Shop: just a few more screws to go putting the siding back on the shop :)
04:18 PM LeelooMinai: You see, JT-Shop is troubleshooting RF problems too.
04:18 PM LeelooMinai: The only difference is he has vinyl siding, but, details:p
04:19 PM * JT-Shop is fixing temperature issues with portable AC unit that does not work well for me
04:20 PM Deejay: gn8
04:21 PM phipli: JT-Shop: is it up to pressure?
04:21 PM phipli: clean contacts on all sensors?
04:21 PM phipli: where is the regulation sensor located?
04:22 PM phipli: ... have you turned it on?
04:22 PM phipli: :)
04:23 PM phipli: JT-Shop: portable? Have you slung the outlet hose out a window / through the wall?
04:23 PM JT-Shop: it's a portable AC so it blows hot air out through a pipe and sucks in air from the shop creating negative pressure so it's sucking in outside air and adding humidity that I have to take back out...
04:23 PM JT-Shop: I have a regular window unit now! or soon at least need to seal and paint the opening
04:23 PM phipli: Air con units are naturally dehumidifiers
04:24 PM phipli: cooler air can't hold as much water so it drops out (into a tray usually)
04:24 PM JT-Shop: not when they suck outside air in...
04:24 PM phipli: still do
04:24 PM phipli: have to
04:24 PM JT-Shop: not enough to offset the exchange of air
04:25 PM JT-Shop: when I run it the humidity goes up and I have to turn on the dehumidifier to get it back down
04:25 PM phipli: JT-Shop: % humidity goes up
04:25 PM phipli: water content of air goes down
04:25 PM JT-Shop: I only got it to try and not have to cut an opening
04:25 PM phipli: https://sustainabilityworkshop.autodesk.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/core-page-inserted-images/psyc_chart_humidity_ratio_0.jpg?itok=U6WFd974
04:26 PM phipli: numbers on the right are kg water per kg air
04:26 PM phipli: as you cool the air, the amount of water you can hold goes down
04:26 PM JT-Shop: yes I understand how that works
04:27 PM JT-Shop: but when your pulling hot humid air inside the humidity goes up faster than the ac can lower it
04:27 PM phipli: can you drop the airflow and reduce the temp?
04:27 PM phipli: (air off temp, not the room temp)
04:27 PM JT-Shop: I gave up on that device and cut a hole in the wall for a conventional window ac unit
04:28 PM JT-Shop: I have a 12,900 btu 120v window unit going in tomorrow if I can get the hole painted and sealed today
04:28 PM phipli: heh
04:28 PM phipli: btu
04:28 PM phipli: I've heard of them
04:29 PM JT-Shop: what are the numbers on the left of the chart?
04:29 PM phipli: the diagonal ones?
04:29 PM JT-Shop: aye
04:29 PM phipli: Enthalpy is the amount of energy stored in the form of water vapour within the air
04:30 PM JT-Shop: ok, that is a new word for me :)
04:30 PM phipli: because it takes energy to convert liquid water into vapour, you need to account for it in air con calculations
04:30 PM phipli: because they move water between the two states
04:30 PM phipli: units make more sense than the name :)
04:31 PM phipli: kJ (energy) per kg of air
04:31 PM JT-Shop: my AC in the shop is much to small for the sq ft but it works fine because of the excess insulation I put in :)
04:31 PM JT-Shop: a few more screws then put the ladder away
04:31 PM phipli: sorry, it is the total energy, including water and due to temperature
04:32 PM phipli: how big is it?
04:32 PM phipli: is that the 12,900 btu machine?
04:39 PM JT-Shop: the one in here?
04:42 PM JT-Shop: the 12,900 btu ac is in the new shop with 18,000 cubic feet plus the roof pitch so swag 20,000 cubits
04:45 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, just discovered that the efergy thing my power company was giving for free has some PC software and probably I can get power consumption data from it...
04:45 PM LeelooMinai: I thought it's just displaying data.
04:50 PM JT-Shop: I like this howdy example for the esp8266 http://circuits4you.com/2016/12/16/esp8266-web-server-html/
04:51 PM Tom_L: is this an arduino shield?
04:51 PM JT-Shop: no
04:52 PM JT-Shop: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LXITJUQ
04:52 PM phipli: LeelooMinai: https://openenergymonitor.org/
04:52 PM JT-Shop: just need to apply some OSY Quad to the joints and I'm done for the day :)
04:53 PM Tom_L: if you don't need the IO, you can just power it up and make a webpage?
04:53 PM LeelooMinai: phipli: Right, I think I looked at this thing a year ago or so. But they gave people here in Canada this for free: http://efergy.com/ca/
04:53 PM phipli: I made a dilbert cartoon server with one
04:54 PM Tom_L: how much flash?
04:54 PM phipli: an sd card full of dilberts and it served one up each time you loaded the root level
04:54 PM JT-Shop: yea, you can use the smaller chip for just a web page, phipli uses a mini something that has a bit less io than mine
04:54 PM phipli: Tom_L: they have 4meg total (the ones we're using)
04:54 PM phipli: you can reserve 3mb for files
04:54 PM XXCoder: LeelooMinai: hopefully those thingies are secure heh
04:54 PM phipli: I have a plug in SD card reader for them though
04:55 PM XXCoder: inetrnet things tend to be as secure as safe with key on nmail by it
04:55 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: Well, what one can do with it - see my power consumption; like I care:)
04:55 PM phipli: https://www.banggood.com/WeMos-D1-Mini-V2-NodeMcu-4M-Bytes-Lua-WIFI-Internet-Of-Things-Development-Board-Based-ESP8266-p-1115398.html?rmmds=search
04:56 PM XXCoder: lee actually depending on what is beng used, it can be used as vector to rest of your network
04:56 PM phipli: LeelooMinai: we get smart meters too, but I'm avoiding the official ones because they have useless security
04:56 PM Tom_L: where does the sd card plug in?
04:56 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: I doubt it has anything to do with normal network - woeild be weird.
04:56 PM XXCoder: there was malware that roots rspiberry and turns em into bitcoin miner and also try infect other devices in network
04:57 PM XXCoder: ohhhh new clickspring video!
04:57 PM phipli: Tom_L: I plug one of these in : https://www.banggood.com/WeMos-Micro-SD-Card-Shield-For-WeMos-D1-Mini-TF-WiFi-ESP8266-Compatible-SD-Wireless-Module-p-1160026.html?rmmds=search
04:58 PM LeelooMinai: Cannot find usb port on this thing though - may be a problem:p
04:59 PM phipli: the D1 Mini?
04:59 PM phipli: it has usb
04:59 PM LeelooMinai: No, I mean my efergy Elite thing
05:00 PM LeelooMinai: Software asks to connect it through usb.
05:00 PM TurBoss: drill a hole on it
05:01 PM phipli: what about the hole labelled "link"
05:01 PM phipli: on the back?
05:01 PM LeelooMinai: Maybe the port is in the transmiter box inside the smar meter...
05:01 PM phipli: or is that an led
05:01 PM LeelooMinai: It's a button it seems.
05:02 PM phipli: http://electrohome.pbworks.com/f/1294149654/EfergyOpen.png
05:02 PM phipli: no usb in sight on that board
05:03 PM LeelooMinai: Maybe I have some other model or something:(
05:03 PM XXCoder: hes making tools to make that mechicism. awesome
05:03 PM XXCoder: this time, files
05:04 PM phipli: http://electrohome.pbworks.com/w/page/34379858/Efergy%20Elite%20Wireless%20Meter%20Hack
05:05 PM LeelooMinai: phipli: Heh, ok, so that's RE the data stream.
05:06 PM LeelooMinai: I guess I will put it on #1435 of my to do list:)
05:06 PM phipli: so before breakfast?
05:06 PM LeelooMinai: Or the last supper:)
05:08 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOw9WqMOHjA wow
05:09 PM LeelooMinai: Seems Syler is not dead after all
05:12 PM XXCoder: clickspring guy?
05:15 PM LeelooMinai: Well, seems like some kind of watch-clock person, yes.
05:16 PM XXCoder: hes currently slowly making antikythera mechinism
05:16 PM XXCoder: its quite ancient. essently one of very early computer
05:16 PM XXCoder: we'd call it calculator to differente it from computers we have now but essentally
05:17 PM XXCoder: I wonder what'd happen if it didnt sink with boat
05:17 PM SpeedEvil: It would be less corroded
05:17 PM LeelooMinai: It would sink later by utself:)
05:17 PM XXCoder: yeah and science of computing may well be advanced by quite a bit
05:18 PM SpeedEvil: The antikythera is not thought AIUI to be unknown other than the one example.
05:18 PM SpeedEvil: Simply murderously expensive
05:18 PM XXCoder: analyst machine was expensive
05:21 PM XXCoder: side-feature video is awesome also. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_Mp1fNzIT8
05:28 PM JT-Shop: phipli: inChar == '\n' never is true for me
05:29 PM XXCoder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical_Engine
05:29 PM XXCoder: jt stupid question but is inChar char type? or string?
05:30 PM JT-Shop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25056210/
05:30 PM XXCoder: that should work
05:31 PM JT-Shop: I know...
05:31 PM JT-Shop: if I print inChar I don't see a new line
05:31 PM phipli: JT-Shop: change the setting in your serial console
05:32 PM JT-Shop: I changed the program to 115200 does it need to be 9600?
05:32 PM XXCoder: phipli: setting so string ends with /n?
05:33 PM JT-Shop: should be \n
05:33 PM XXCoder: heh yea I switch / and \ often :(
05:34 PM phipli: what line do I say /n on?
05:34 PM JT-Shop: it's \n looking for the new line
05:35 PM phipli: I'm confused everything works fine for me
05:35 PM LeelooMinai: O, the Chinese software screams that something "successed".
05:35 PM JT-Shop: your testing on the mini?
05:35 PM XXCoder: jt I wonder if its difference of setting that you get \n or not like phipli said earlier
05:37 PM phipli: http://elephantandchicken.co.uk/projects/Setting.png
05:37 PM phipli: have you got that set to the same as me?
05:37 PM phipli: the code you're questioning is copied straight from a standard example
05:37 PM JT-Shop: ah no, I have no line ending, not knowing what that is
05:38 PM JT-Shop: didn't know that was the sending format, works now... learning again :)
05:38 PM phipli: :)
05:38 PM phipli: phew
05:39 PM * phipli was worried about his sanity
05:39 PM JT-Shop: it ain't nothing but a thing lol
05:39 PM phipli: :)
05:39 PM JT-Shop: I need to start a web page with good info for beginners lol
05:40 PM phipli: :)
05:40 PM phipli: I had a look at your website
05:40 PM phipli: where is the chicken page?
05:40 PM phipli: :)
05:40 PM phipli: also, you homebrew. we will discuss at some point
05:40 PM JT-Shop: need to add that... I have 500 1/2" crickets coming Wednesday
05:40 PM phipli: I've got lazy and not made any beer / cider in a few years
05:40 PM JT-Shop: going to start raising them I suppose
05:40 PM phipli: but will start again soon
05:41 PM JT-Shop: me neither but I like to make smaller batches now that I'm slim and trim
05:41 PM JT-Shop: I have 10 gallons of elderberry wine clearing up now
05:41 PM phipli: I used to brew a lot because I couldn't afford to buy when I first left home
05:42 PM phipli: but now that I live with my missus, everything is a bit more flexible
05:42 PM JT-Shop: cool
05:42 PM phipli: JT-Shop: elderflowers have just gone over
05:42 PM phipli: berries should be out soon
05:42 PM JT-Shop: yes here too
05:42 PM phipli: not made elderberry wine before, only elderflower
05:42 PM JT-Shop: I make a red and a blush from each run so I get twice as much
05:43 PM JT-Shop: wife likes the blush and I like the red
05:43 PM phipli: :)
05:43 PM XXCoder: jt you recently made wine?
05:43 PM JT-Shop: a few months ago, it'
05:43 PM JT-Shop: s clearing now
05:43 PM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/wine/wine.html
05:43 PM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/wine/Wine_Recipes.htm
05:43 PM XXCoder: I remembered right yay heh
05:44 PM phipli: I like that you record everything you do - I try to, but get drawn into what I'm doing
05:44 PM JT-Shop: I was supposed to rack it this weekend but the AC hole kept me busy
05:45 PM phipli: suddenly realise it is three days later, I've not eaten and I have no photos
05:45 PM JT-Shop: I had a Honda 200 dirt bike and the guy that bought it said he told his wife it must be in good shape look at all the boxes on the shelf behind it with labels on them
05:46 PM phipli: heh
05:46 PM phipli: was it?
05:46 PM JT-Shop: it was quite fun to ride but needed room so it had to go
05:46 PM JT-Shop: very good shape for an older Honda
05:47 PM JT-Shop: I fixed everything I found worn like I do for everything
05:47 PM phipli: I've not a few people who've learnt on a CB125
05:47 PM phipli: not sure how it is with you, but without doing additional stuff, you can only ride up to a 125 to learn on here
05:48 PM phipli: so things like the CB125 tend to get passed from learner to learner
05:48 PM JT-Shop: my first was a Honda 50 SS with the upswept pipe in 1967
05:49 PM JT-Shop: dunno what year it was paid for it splitting firewood in Alaska
05:49 PM phipli: My dad has a Honda Chaly in the kitchen atm
05:49 PM JT-Shop: don't know that one
05:49 PM phipli: heh
05:49 PM phipli: like a monkey bike
05:49 PM phipli: 50cc
05:49 PM phipli: but you can swap on 90cc barrels... or various other mods to get over 100cc
05:50 PM phipli: it is currently "in progress"
05:50 PM JT-Shop: now you can buy a 1800 cc goldwing on a learner permit lol
05:50 PM phipli: I keep causing trouble by sending links to sites like this : http://s-charger.com/do-it-yourself-bolt-on-50cc-supercharger-kit-for-honda-monkey/
05:51 PM phipli: we have a thing called "direct access" that speeds up your progress to a bigger bike
05:51 PM JT-Shop: ah that is a mini bike
05:52 PM JT-Shop: http://planetminis.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=98958&d=1349871948
05:52 PM phipli: without direct access you have to wait a couple of years before they let you get a big bike
05:53 PM phipli: JT-Shop: is that your Honda 50?
05:53 PM phipli: I'm more used to the regular ones
05:53 PM JT-Shop: pitcher in your mind the exhaust replaced by a vacuum cleaner pipe
05:53 PM JT-Shop: yea that is the same as my first bike
05:53 PM phipli: There used to be a show room in town with a few classic bikes in it here
05:53 PM phipli: used to drool every time I went past
05:53 PM phipli: had one of these :
05:53 PM JT-Shop: I wanted a scrambler 90 so bad it had overhead cam...
05:54 PM phipli: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ac/f6/f8/acf6f83d5dff167d833c2d6c688b1041.jpg
05:54 PM JT-Shop: I can't read the emblem... what is it?
05:55 PM phipli: Velocette
05:55 PM JT-Shop: looks like 500cc or so
05:55 PM phipli: old luxury brit bike
05:55 PM JT-Shop: not heard of that
05:55 PM phipli: Jaguar of motorbikes :)
05:55 PM phipli: long gone
05:55 PM JT-Shop: ah
05:55 PM phipli: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocette
05:56 PM JT-Shop: I wanted a BSA 441 for a long time but ended up getting a Suzuki 380 triple
05:56 PM phipli: My dad grew up near where the boss of Velocette lived
05:56 PM phipli: the fellow used to have a race tuned bike and drive home from work at stupid speeds
05:56 PM LeelooMinai: Pff... My BF used to have Africa Twin - now that was a monster:)
05:57 PM phipli: the police used to lay in wait for him and try to catch him every time they got a new fleet of vehicles to test them
05:57 PM phipli: I'm not aware that they ever did
05:57 PM phipli: LeelooMinai: Friend of my dad's had one of them
05:58 PM phipli: visited us on it...
05:58 PM LeelooMinai: https://powersports.honda.com/assets/models/2017_AfricaTwin_600x400_RedBlackWhite_trans.png - I once tried to just hold it in place and I was almost squashed dead when it kept leaning on the side:)
05:58 PM phipli: stood it on its back wheel all down the road when he left
05:58 PM sync: phipli: I was at the point once where I thought about plugging the tire warmers in so I don't fly off in the first roundabout here
05:58 PM LeelooMinai: Well, that';s a new version it seems, but looks pretty similar - I guess they did not change the style as it's pretty nice looking bike.
05:59 PM phipli: sync : considered dropping the speed?
05:59 PM phipli: :p
05:59 PM sync: that would be boring
06:00 PM phipli: heh. Velocette managed 24 hours, averaging over 100mph on a 500 single
06:01 PM sync: I just changed my route so that the tires had a chance to warm up before the first real corner
06:02 PM phipli: There is a great photo back home of my brother playing in the sand on the beach...
06:02 PM phipli: completely ignoring someone doing donuts on a bike around him
06:03 PM JT-Shop: for me the Honda 50 SS was a way to explore the back country of Alaska when I was a ute
06:04 PM phipli: ute?
06:05 PM JT-Shop: I'm guessing you never watched My Cousin Vinny
06:05 PM JT-Shop: ute is NY for youth
06:05 PM JT-Shop: http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/-/media/Images/MCC/Editorial/Articles/Magazine-Articles/2014/01-01/Honda-Dream-Machines-of-the-1960s/Honda-Dream-jpg.jpg?h=419&la=en&w=550&hash=40D3F1CBDD5623ACDB203B4B089191B1A7C437C0
06:06 PM JT-Shop: I bought a 305 dream once in parts, the guy took two apart and I had to pick one of each part to put it back together
06:07 PM phipli: anyways - I'm going to have to call it a night
06:07 PM JT-Shop: see you tomorrow
06:07 PM phipli: night
06:07 PM JT-Shop: thanks for the example
06:07 PM phipli: no problem
06:07 PM * phipli waves
06:07 PM JT-Shop: goodnight
06:44 PM LeelooMinai: Any idea if one of those kill-o-watt like monitors can work if you plug in something that produces energy, not consumes?
06:48 PM pcw_home: I would think any proper wattmeter must run in reverse since you have reverse power at parts of the cycle with reactive loads
06:49 PM LeelooMinai: Well, there's also firmware part - I mean do they display minus sign or something?
06:50 PM pcw_home: sure they might make a bad assumption that the averaged number is always positive
06:51 PM malcom2073: LeelooMinai: If you have any device that you plug in that produces electricity, do us all a favor and shoot the person who designed it :P
06:51 PM malcom2073: Male plugs should never be power, especially not a mains plug
06:51 PM LeelooMinai: malcom2073: Ever heard of grid tie inverters? :p
06:52 PM LeelooMinai: Well, they have safety feature - they are off unless they detect mains voltage.
06:52 PM malcom2073: LeelooMinai: Yep, I've also seen trailer tie-ins that are similar. The fact that someone can't read instructions doesn't make their creations any less stupid and dangerous
06:53 PM pcw_home: some motor drives dump energy back into the lines but probably are smart enough to stop is the line power is not detected
06:54 PM malcom2073: That makes a bit more sense, you don't usually have the motor spinning with the plug disconnected
06:54 PM LeelooMinai: malcom2073: I am testing it - need to connect it to mains in some way.
06:56 PM malcom2073: Fortunatly, this sort of problem works itself out naturally heh. Give it a shot and see what happens, worst case... well worst safe cast, you blow up a $25 kill-a-watt
06:56 PM malcom2073: case&
06:57 PM malcom2073: Also, be sure your electricity meter supports feeding energy back in to the grid
06:58 PM LeelooMinai: I don't want to feed enything back:)
06:58 PM LeelooMinai: anything*
06:58 PM malcom2073: If you're producing, you can potentially if at any point the load in your house drops below what you're producing
06:58 PM LeelooMinai: Just offset consumption a bit.
06:59 PM LeelooMinai: Wouldn't a meter at worst just assume 0?
07:00 PM malcom2073: AC boggles my mind a bit, unsure.
07:00 PM LeelooMinai: I mean a modern smart meter that explodes in that case would be, unlikely? :)
07:00 PM malcom2073: I meant blow up as in make inoperable, I woudln't expect actual explosion :)
07:00 PM malcom2073: Though that'd be cool
07:00 PM LeelooMinai: Right, well, I don't know - I would think that they are designed better than that...
07:02 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, since I am at it, I think I will order one of thise little HDMI things that simulate monitor - so x11vnc works at higher resolutions without doing crazy things with configurations.
07:03 PM LeelooMinai: With my headles linux machines.
07:03 PM LeelooMinai: headless even
07:03 PM LeelooMinai: I assume those things work...
07:04 PM LeelooMinai: Probably have eeprom or whatever flash inside and just send the ED-something info back?
07:04 PM LeelooMinai: EDID
07:05 PM LeelooMinai: Thinking maybe this: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B06XT1Z9TF
07:06 PM LeelooMinai: lol @ this comment: "Beware, NO HDMI AUDIO"
07:09 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm France decided to stop producing gasoline cars by 2040. And seems India by 2030.
07:09 PM LeelooMinai: I guess they did not get the memo from USA:)
07:10 PM XXCoder: wow
07:10 PM XXCoder: that thing exists.
07:10 PM LeelooMinai: What thing?
07:10 PM XXCoder: dummy hdmi plug for headless computer
07:11 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, it was always driving me mad that I could not get proper resolution with remote access.
07:11 PM LeelooMinai: So I hope it works.
07:12 PM LeelooMinai: Or sometimes I would get, say, linuxcnc refuse to work at all, because it screamed about not having opengl features, etc.
07:13 PM Crom: Well the USA better start mining Lithium again. We have plenty, it's just mixed in with thorium... Which isn't bad to have around anyway... I'd love to have a thorium reator providing power
07:14 PM Crom: reactor
07:14 PM LeelooMinai: But, that seems to vary on the software used too - I found that x11vnc works ok, because it uses real hardware desktop, or whatever - damn linux and 1001 ways of doing everything, half of it broken:/
07:14 PM XXCoder: lol
07:14 PM XXCoder: lee yeah I can see how that plug can be useful
07:15 PM LeelooMinai: USA should start mining clues imo:)
07:16 PM LeelooMinai: The apparently have the science division or whatever it is called completely empty... HAd 3 people remaining, but they buggered it and now are gone.
07:16 PM LeelooMinai: In whitehouse that is.
07:17 PM LeelooMinai: Solar panels on the wall.
07:17 PM XXCoder: you are welcome to visit usa, just don't bring any of that science stuff. :P usa apparently hates it
07:17 PM BeachBumPete: sounds like a great start
07:18 PM LeelooMinai: I remember that the France leader trolled about this already - said that all scientists from USA are welcomed in France or something like that:)
07:18 PM LeelooMinai: In case they rage-quit.
07:20 PM LeelooMinai: Musk kind of already did that - was on some advisory panel and had enough with the EPA failer and quit.
07:20 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: Did you see the old NASA guy making faces? :)
07:21 PM XXCoder: one of first moon walkers, buzz?'
07:21 PM LeelooMinai: Yes - that was a good lol.
07:21 PM XXCoder: indeed!
07:21 PM XXCoder: he barely surivied such dumbassery
07:21 PM Crom: sheeshz... on ebay those hdmi plug come in all sorts of resolutions...
07:22 PM LeelooMinai: Crom: Hmm, weird - they should just present a range of resolutions, not one...
07:22 PM Crom: have a encoder you can set...
07:22 PM LeelooMinai: Maybe they list them this way, but it's one kind:)
07:23 PM MrHindsight: check out the $900 HDMI cables by Denon
07:23 PM Crom: I'm seeing 1920x1200, 1920x1080, 2560x1440, ...
07:24 PM Crom: I'd like to get one of these.. $143 http://www.ebay.com/itm/WATER-COOLED-SPINDLE-MOTOR-ER16-ENGRAVING-MILLING-FOUR-BEARING-CE1-5KW/182363314564
07:25 PM MrHindsight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
07:25 PM MrHindsight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Versions
07:25 PM LeelooMinai: Crom: The one I am buying has this in description: http://i.imgur.com/CPeEFu4.png
07:26 PM LeelooMinai: So, pretty much all one may need.
07:27 PM LeelooMinai: Er, well, actually, I have a monitor that has res not listed there, so almost:)
08:12 PM XXCoder: uhhh https://imgur.com/caOxX4r
08:13 PM XXCoder: one rock and lose fuel on way to next fuel station, and if made itr, how refuel with no container
08:13 PM XXCoder: looks so cool but yeesh
08:14 PM XXCoder: "Gasoline degrades in UV. I don't foresee this working well."
08:15 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I guess this could workif one used thick polycarbonate and coat it from inside from something that is fine with gasoline.
08:15 PM LeelooMinai: with something*
08:15 PM LeelooMinai: As for UV, same thing - you can coat it with UV-blocker
08:16 PM XXCoder: possible lol
08:16 PM Tom_L: or just use a steel tank with a gage
08:16 PM LeelooMinai: If not, wait intil someone invents transparent metal:)
08:16 PM XXCoder: nahh thats too normal
08:16 PM XXCoder: star trek transparent alum
08:17 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, then tank with a port for a camera + lights. THen display the contents:)
08:18 PM Tom_L: https://phys.org/news/2009-07-transparent-aluminium-state.html
08:18 PM LeelooMinai: Or even more outrageous: wrap flexible display over the tank and display what is inside on it...
08:19 PM Tom_L: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/30/13/282A2B6500000578-3062461-Th-a-34_1430395525548.jpg
08:19 PM LeelooMinai: And sell mods: like a 3D goldfish animation that looks like it is swiming in the gasoline.
08:19 PM MarkusBec: there is transparent aluminium
08:20 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: yeah though probably long while before more common
08:20 PM MarkusBec: its called sapphire.......
08:20 PM XXCoder: too brittle
08:21 PM LeelooMinai: I guess if you make a film from aluminum that is few atoms thick, it may be almost transparent too:)
08:21 PM XXCoder: few atoms thick it would rust pretty quickly
08:21 PM XXCoder: msking sapphire I guess? unless structurally wrong for that lol
08:22 PM LeelooMinai: I don't think aluminum rusts...
08:22 PM XXCoder: heh it does. it rusts MUCH faster than iron
08:22 PM LeelooMinai: It can form oxide on top, but then it is self-protecting
08:22 PM XXCoder: just that its rust is super protective
08:22 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, but rust is not the proper name afaik
08:22 PM XXCoder: AlO is rust :P
08:23 PM LeelooMinai: O, right, the propper name is corrosion. Rust is for iron, etc.
08:23 PM LeelooMinai: "Rust actually means Oxides of Iron, formed by conversion of iron or steel by corrosion"
08:24 PM LeelooMinai: So corrosion is more general, and rust subset
08:24 PM XXCoder: hmm apparently. thanks
09:58 PM MrHindsight is now known as CaptHindsight
10:30 PM somenewguy: so i am going to make the jump and finally update my pc that runs the mill
10:34 PM somenewguy: updgraded my main pc, retiring my old desktop to be the cnc machine
10:34 PM somenewguy: only catch is this means I am jumping from 2.5.4 to latest
10:35 PM somenewguy: looking thru hte release notes i don't see any breaking changes yet that would affect me, I just have gecko driver running a wee taig machine
10:35 PM somenewguy: figured i
10:35 PM somenewguy: 'd pop in here and ask if anyone knew of any gotchas i may runinto importing my old settings into the new hotness
10:39 PM codepython7771: I'm thinking of investing in a metal cutting band saw. Any suggestions? (Milwaukee is what I was looking for). I need to cut 1/2" steel rods.
10:40 PM CaptHindsight: the Milwaukees are fine
10:40 PM CaptHindsight: I got my last one used for $125 in great shape
10:41 PM CaptHindsight: the HF and similar are junk
10:42 PM CaptHindsight: the corded vesions go for less since all the tradesmen want the battery versions
10:42 PM somenewguy: ugh i just had one escape me on CL, someone clearly cleaning out someone elses garage, selling everything for way too little
10:43 PM CaptHindsight: https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/6181674653.html has a ton of them
10:44 PM CaptHindsight: ex iron worker/welder
10:48 PM codepython7771: CaptHindsight: I want the corded
10:49 PM codepython7771: wow- how did they get so many?
10:49 PM XXCoder: fell off back
10:49 PM XXCoder: or maybe some maker company closed down
10:49 PM LeelooMinai: 3d printed them
10:49 PM CaptHindsight: auction
10:50 PM CaptHindsight: I'd trust him if he ships
10:50 PM CaptHindsight: he's an old guy so he might not want to
10:51 PM LeelooMinai: Or he is a young guy with tons of energy and could use four of them at once.
10:52 PM Tom_itx: somenewguy there are a couple minor changes
10:53 PM Tom_itx: i think they may be spelled out in the upgrading section of the docs
10:53 PM somenewguy: i only looked at the release notes, didn't realizethere was an upgrade section
10:53 PM somenewguy: note i will be doing a total fresh install, not going thru upgrades, as that is usually safer when you get this far behind
10:53 PM Tom_itx: i don't recall exactly what the changes were
10:53 PM Tom_itx: to the config files
10:53 PM somenewguy: maachine was airgapped for a year or 3
10:54 PM Tom_itx: nothing major
10:54 PM somenewguy: ok, ill find the page
10:54 PM codepython7771: CaptHindsight: do you have the corded or the battery version?
10:54 PM CaptHindsight: corded
10:54 PM Tom_itx: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/updating-linuxcnc.html
10:55 PM CaptHindsight: I don't want to swap batteries and I'm not in the field
10:55 PM Tom_itx: something about the watchdog
10:55 PM Tom_itx: you no longer need
10:55 PM Tom_itx: if you're running mesa hardware anyway
10:55 PM codepython7771: CaptHindsight: you think i can cut steel 1/2" rods easy with what you have?
10:55 PM CaptHindsight: I cut 1/2" plate
10:56 PM somenewguy: Tom_itx: nope, just running a G540
10:56 PM CaptHindsight: 1/2" x 5", no problem, 3" steel bars etc
10:56 PM somenewguy: paraport so its all pretty simple, i figured updating would be pretty painless
10:56 PM CaptHindsight: 1/2" rod should take 20 seconds or less
10:57 PM CaptHindsight: 1/2" tube in seconds
10:57 PM somenewguy: oh sweet the feed overide not affecting rapids is nice update
10:58 PM somenewguy: oh dang, seeing some driver fun i'll need to be carefull about
10:58 PM somenewguy: although my hal configs are pretty vanilla, so can probably just use a template and paste in my details rather than actually use my old config files
10:59 PM codepython7771: CaptHindsight: thanks
11:00 PM Tom_itx: yeah there are some things to be aware of using the G540
11:00 PM Tom_itx: i don't have one so i'm not sure what they are
11:01 PM codepython7771: CaptHindsight: are there other bandsaws i should be looking at? My budget is < $500.
11:01 PM somenewguy: yeah well they sound pretty contained, so fingers crossed
11:01 PM somenewguy: gonna preserve my oldsetup in case i need to revert lol
11:01 PM Tom_itx: i sure would
11:01 PM somenewguy: i am also trying to add flood coolant ot mysetup, and if software gives me trouble i am abandoning ship and playing with the fun upgrade instead
11:02 PM CaptHindsight: codepython7771: spend $150 one used, spend the rest on beer, other tools etc
11:03 PM codepython7771: Thanks :) I will look for a used one
11:03 PM CaptHindsight: unless you want a horizontal BS
11:03 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200659143_200659143 or similar
11:04 PM CaptHindsight: cut a bundle of rod at one time
11:04 PM codepython7771: CaptHindsight: I mostly need to cut small things. slim rod. Alum. C- channels
11:05 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.grizzly.com/products/4-x-6-Metal-Cutting-Bandsaw/G0622
11:05 PM codepython7771: I am looking to get good quality cuts on small parts
11:05 PM CaptHindsight: hand held vs horizontal
11:06 PM CaptHindsight: hand cutting is not as precise
11:06 PM codepython7771: CaptHindsight: so horizontal will give me more precise cuts? Better quality ?
11:06 PM CaptHindsight: so if you really want square cuts get a horizontal
11:07 PM CaptHindsight: it will cut as steady as your hand vs a metal joint
11:07 PM codepython7771: do they sell something that is compact? My parts are not going to be more than 2" - so all cuts smaller than 2"
11:07 PM CaptHindsight: the links are the smallest I am aware of
11:08 PM codepython7771: CaptHindsight: The Grizzly - some love it. Some dislike it - from what i was reading.
11:09 PM CaptHindsight: if you're used a $4k saw
11:09 PM CaptHindsight: then something tiny and low cost won't compare
11:09 PM codepython7771: CaptHindsight: what about the ones that come with a table? vertical ones?
11:10 PM CaptHindsight: they are used to cut curves
11:10 PM CaptHindsight: you could use one with a guide to cut rods squarely
11:11 PM codepython7771: I just need straight line cuts mostly - for rods or c-channels or similar things
11:12 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/dJ6YL8WWVq0?t=4m43s
11:12 PM codepython7771: CaptHindsight: the Grizzly is looking good though
11:13 PM codepython7771: CaptHindsight: that vertical saw is cutting it like butter!
11:14 PM CaptHindsight: so it depends on what you want to do and how often
11:15 PM CaptHindsight: with the horizontal you load it and walk away
11:15 PM codepython7771: once in a while, just straight cuts on small objects.
11:15 PM CaptHindsight: used milwaukee or horizontal
11:19 PM codepython7771: CaptHindsight: https://www.amazon.com/Grizzly-G0622-Metal-Cutting-Bandsaw-6-Inch/dp/B000LOKOFG - the grizzly - people are complaining that the table is painful
11:19 PM LeelooMinai: codepython7771: Cheap option is also (expecially if you have a mitre saw already) using alu-cuttin circular blade.
11:19 PM LeelooMinai: That's how I cut all the beams for my CNC
11:20 PM codepython7771: I dont have a mitre saw yet
11:20 PM LeelooMinai: Table saw will work too
11:20 PM LeelooMinai: But then I would use a sled
11:21 PM codepython7771: LeelooMinai: I've a tablesaw, but from what I read, if I cut metal using it, that reduces its life?
11:21 PM LeelooMinai: Aluminum is like hardwood more or less. Imo no, if you use proper blade.
11:22 PM codepython7771: LeelooMinai: I've to cut stell rods 1/2" dia
11:22 PM LeelooMinai: A, steel, ok, then forget it:)
11:23 PM LeelooMinai: I guess you will have to use a chop saw, dangerous angle cutter, or invest into proper bandsaw.
11:23 PM LeelooMinai: Er, angle grinder*
11:24 PM LeelooMinai: Alternatively hacksaw or reciprocat5ing saw.
11:24 PM codepython7771: hence the bandsaw search :)
11:24 PM LeelooMinai: Right, each option has pluses and minuses.
11:25 PM LeelooMinai: But if I had money I would get horizxontal bandaw - they seem to be nicest to work with.
11:25 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I guess there are also those weird mitre-like saws, but for metal cutting, but they are expensive.
11:28 PM codepython7771: LeelooMinai: seems like good horizontal band saws are expensive :)
11:28 PM LeelooMinai: Right, unfortunately
11:30 PM codepython7771: I was looking for something small - Grizzly seems to be making one, but its reviews are mixed.
11:44 PM codepython7771: CaptHindsight: https://www.geekwrapped.com/guides/best-horizontal-band-saws - an interesting list
11:57 PM Kevin`: the layout is kind of painful. that design is optimized to minimize information delivery