#linuxcnc Logs
Jul 05 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:00 AM cradek: clearer than many song lyrics sung by monolingual americans :-)
12:02 AM LeelooMinai: From the other side, English is a pretty tough language to understand, when spoken by natives. Now I have no problems, but initially it sounds like someone speaking under water:(
12:02 AM LeelooMinai: If one is used to languages that have very sharply defined sounds, it's pretty frustrating.
12:02 AM cradek: what's your first language?
12:03 AM LeelooMinai: Polish:)
12:03 AM LeelooMinai: Not that it's easy in itself, but for different reasons.
12:04 AM cradek: ah, different sounds from english but not as different as say mandarin
12:05 AM LeelooMinai: Well, there's a lot of consonants and it sounds pretty "sharp". If you take some UK person on the other hand, you have problems even hearing word boundaries:)
12:05 AM cradek: I admire polyglots. it's not an experience I have.
12:06 AM cradek: UK english can be very hard for me to understand. I don't have as much experience with it as Indian english for example.
12:07 AM cradek: off to bed - goodnight! take care.
12:07 AM LeelooMinai: The other ones there, like Irish are even worse.
12:07 AM LeelooMinai: bye
01:55 AM Crom: happy brexit 1776
01:56 AM Crom: oh hang on.. you never exited...
01:56 AM Crom: Happy belated Canada Day
01:57 AM XXCoder: http://mcmansionhell.com/post/150597521816/mcmansions-101-revisited-aesthetics-aside-why
01:57 AM XXCoder: interesting read
01:59 AM LeelooMinai: Today I learned that there's a wasp that has 200 micrometers...
02:00 AM XXCoder: 20 cm long wisp?
02:00 AM XXCoder: wow that sure puts japan wisp in shame lol
02:01 AM XXCoder: *wasp
02:01 AM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: That's 1/5000 of a mm...
02:02 AM XXCoder: oh nm them lol
02:02 AM LeelooMinai: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphragma_mymaripenne
02:03 AM LeelooMinai: 7400 neurons - it's like 6502 of nervous systems:)
02:03 AM XXCoder: so small. we can actually emulate it
02:04 AM LeelooMinai: It even flies - I guess it's not good at flying when there's a wind though:)
02:06 AM XXCoder: probably need more brains to comp
02:12 AM LeelooMinai: Crom: I would be more worried about that Bluexit idea if I was you:p
02:12 AM XXCoder: lifexit
02:15 AM Crom: I didn't see this coming... Think up all the vision puns and jokes you can about year 2020
02:17 AM IchGucksLive: morning from Germany
02:17 AM XXCoder: hey. any germaxit there yet?
02:17 AM IchGucksLive: yes
02:17 AM LeelooMinai: Unfortunatelly more likely is Polishexit:)
02:17 AM IchGucksLive: we try to skip atom
02:18 AM IchGucksLive: but the MW524 is real low latency
02:18 AM IchGucksLive: 525
02:18 AM LeelooMinai: Some lunatic person took over Polish political system and now Trump will visit Poland on 10th, because it's the only country in Europe that was not ashamed to do that:(
02:19 AM XXCoder: wonderful!
02:19 AM LeelooMinai: Good I don't live there any more - must be sad.
02:20 AM XXCoder: mayne 45 will immunize usa for a while
02:20 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: the ASUS P5B DELUXE is the hell of speed but hard to bring it down to 3000ns latency stable
02:20 AM XXCoder: andrew jackson did it last time, and now trump
02:21 AM IchGucksLive: Donald did so mutch
02:21 AM IchGucksLive: he did also start his own Tour de "france"
02:21 AM IchGucksLive: but after 2 loses of lots of money as he does all the time
02:21 AM IchGucksLive: he decided to give up
02:22 AM LeelooMinai: Tour de France in USA? :)
02:22 AM IchGucksLive: so a good guess just wait he will give up on the US and move to the RUS
02:26 AM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_DuPont le Tour de Trump look on the finish banner
02:27 AM LeelooMinai: Heh, did not know that... O, wait, probably because like all his ideas, it failed:p
02:27 AM XXCoder: trump steaks :P
02:27 AM XXCoder: his home interior is literally tasteless
02:28 AM IchGucksLive: why did melania yesterday got dome white stripes on here southamerica like skin
02:28 AM IchGucksLive: isent there a sunbath room in the whitehouse
02:29 AM IchGucksLive: mroning to valencia spain JesusAlos tomorrow the sanfermin starts
02:30 AM IchGucksLive: im off 2 garden
02:32 AM JesusAlos: Hi! morning to Germany
02:32 AM JesusAlos: San Fermín starts on 7
02:43 AM Deejay: moin
02:55 AM phipli: mornin'
02:57 AM phipli: right. Time to deal with the birds
02:57 AM phipli: they're busy singing the song of their people
03:16 AM XXCoder: LOL https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDyGNSRUMAAZY4c.jpg:large
03:41 AM XXCoder: LOL!! https://i.redd.it/xpqgx4b3gp6z.jpg
03:42 AM XXCoder: hey miss0r
03:42 AM miss0r: Hey dude
03:42 AM XXCoder: whats up
03:42 AM Deejay: heyo
03:43 AM miss0r: I just revived two old speakers and a nice amcron 1200lx amp. Ready for my garden party comming weekend :)
03:44 AM miss0r: It seems the previous owner of this here amplifier did his own repairs on it using a pitchfork...
03:44 AM miss0r: that and the 'if it doesn't work, hit it with a hammer. If it still doesn't work, hit it with a bigger hammer. repeat until it works'
03:45 AM miss0r: but he ended up giving... perhaps running out of larger hammers
03:46 AM miss0r: What've you been up to?
03:46 AM XXCoder: july 4th ceberation
03:46 AM XXCoder: outside is probably very noisy with fireworks
03:47 AM Deejay: probably. but not for you :/
03:47 AM miss0r: Sound like fun :]
03:48 AM XXCoder: yeah though relaxing now. work tomorrow
03:49 AM miss0r: I have the new three weeks off (Including this one)
03:50 AM miss0r: One of the nice things about living in Denmark. We have 6 weeks of payed vacation
03:51 AM XXCoder: yeah you got 10 times my vacation heh
03:51 AM XXCoder: I have 6 vacation days
03:51 AM XXCoder: err holidays that is. I get 4 days (5 days but I work 10 hours a day so 4)
03:51 AM XXCoder: pretty soon it will be 2 weeks
03:53 AM miss0r: I bet you can't wait :)
03:54 AM XXCoder: heh
03:55 AM XXCoder: vacations is currently useless :P
03:55 AM XXCoder: I have 112 hours now
03:57 AM XXCoder: my coworker had 350 hours lol
03:59 AM miss0r: :-o
04:00 AM XXCoder: my bro knew one guy that had hours so high that she called in sick everyday for year and half
04:00 AM XXCoder: as soon as she ran out of hours she retired
04:00 AM XXCoder: she was basically never sick for decades
04:06 AM miss0r: There we go. I just put two midrange speakers for sale on our "craigslist"
04:06 AM miss0r: I hope I don't get raped
04:06 AM XXCoder: wanna -$10,000 for em
04:07 AM miss0r: :]
04:07 AM miss0r: You are welcome to bit that :D http://www.dba.dk/hoejttaler-p-audio/id-1035283813/
04:07 AM miss0r: bid*
04:08 AM XXCoder: lol
04:08 AM miss0r: Asking price is only 1000dkk... Which sucks :D I think I payed 2000dkk/peice back when i bought them. And They have only played something like 10 hours... I was wrong to buy them
04:10 AM miss0r: mleh.. This always happens! I end up 'wasting' time on the computer here, when i should be cleaning the shop
04:12 AM XXCoder: oh well
04:30 AM miss0r: Mwuhahahahaha! I need to find a project for these two 12.2volt switchmode powersupplys... They can pump out 236amps each ;D
04:31 AM TurBoss: amazing
04:32 AM miss0r: I've tested one of them with a ~100amp load. It didn't even drop 0.1volt
04:32 AM XXCoder: edm
04:32 AM TurBoss: +1
04:32 AM miss0r: Hehe... yeah, but that supplt is build and working
04:35 AM XXCoder: nice
04:35 AM XXCoder: well other thing can try is electroplating
04:35 AM XXCoder: make bunch of cheesy gold crap
04:36 AM miss0r: Hehe. I don't realy feel the need
04:36 AM miss0r: For now they will just be archived for future projects I think
04:36 AM miss0r: I could probally connect them in series and use them to jumpstart a lorry :D
04:40 AM XXCoder: just had silly idea
04:40 AM XXCoder: what if I use vaporizer to make thin coat of raw alum, let it rust, repeat
04:41 AM XXCoder: would it make gems
05:07 AM archivist: growing crystals does
05:20 AM jthornton: morning
05:38 AM XXCoder: hey jthornton how was your 4th
05:39 AM XXCoder: archivist: sure though i wonder about AlO crystals
05:52 AM jthornton: made mistake after mistake finally ramming an ER11 tool holder through some aluminum ruining my fixture then I gave up for the day
05:53 AM XXCoder: ouch
06:06 AM jthornton: the aluminum flowed between the slits of the collet and welded to the face of the collet
06:07 AM XXCoder: that sucks :( well time to sleep be ready for work tomorrow.
06:07 AM jthornton: goodnight
06:19 AM miss0r: jthornton: do you have pictures? :]
06:20 AM jthornton: no
06:21 AM miss0r: Only the one burned to your retinal :/
06:21 AM jthornton: aye
06:24 AM miss0r: So, how bad is it?
06:27 AM jthornton: I did get to shoot my cannon a few times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JykOtmJynAI
06:27 AM jthornton: the tool holder nut is pretty rounded off lol, it may still work dunno
06:35 AM miss0r: Holy :)
06:48 AM Tom_L: quite morning except for jt's cannon...
06:48 AM Tom_L: quiet*
06:58 AM jthornton: you getting any of this rain over in Kansas?
07:06 AM Tom_L: nothing here
07:08 AM Deejay: in case you have to much rain, send it over to germany. i need plenty of it
07:09 AM Deejay: all to me :D
07:09 AM sync: it has been raining enough the last days
07:09 AM Deejay: nope. it didnt rain at all (nearly)
07:09 AM sync: enough sideways fun for the year
07:09 AM Deejay: only in berlin is enough
07:09 AM Deejay: maybe
09:10 AM arekmx is now known as arekm
10:49 AM jym: USB to RS485 adapters 92¢/ea - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-10pcs-USB-to-RS485-485-Converter-Adapter-Support-Win7-XP-Vista-Linux-Mac-OS/32532309942.html
11:48 AM phipli: bleh. warm again
11:49 AM archivist: painting control panel weather
11:51 AM JT-Shop: raining here all day
11:54 AM roycroft: sunny and warm here, which is awesome
11:54 AM roycroft: today is pack in day for the country fair
11:56 AM CaptHindsight: hot humid sunny
11:56 AM CaptHindsight: outside is even worse
11:59 AM phipli: archivist: it is very good paining weather
11:59 AM phipli: *painting
11:59 AM archivist: when indoors hiding from the sun I am playing hunt the connector that fits a PH10T probe head
11:59 AM phipli: JT-Shop: New chicken day tomorrow!
12:00 PM phipli: They'll be 14 weeks - so younger than yours?
12:01 PM phipli: archivist: do you know you have one and misplaced it?
12:01 PM archivist: I dont have one, just got the probe head as "incomplete"
12:02 PM phipli: do you have a target socket, or are you just looking for something suitable?
12:02 PM archivist: seems in good condition really, just no controller or cables
12:03 PM archivist: tuchel connector is what Renishaw call it but that is a mine field on Anphenols-Tuchel's site
12:04 PM archivist: may have even been a special made for Renishaw
12:05 PM phipli: connectors are difficult if they're not a common type
12:05 PM phipli: Search : "plug that looks like this, and is this big"
12:06 PM JT-Shop: phipli: mine are 13 weeks old today
12:06 PM phipli: similar age then
12:09 PM archivist: rofl a broken one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renishaw-CMM-PH10T-Plus-Motorized-Probe-Head-/162513110925
12:10 PM JT-Shop: I might actually make a part in a few mintues or so
12:14 PM archivist: how do they claim working when minus the cable http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renishaw-CMM-PH10T-Motorized-Probe-Head-PHC10-2-Controller-HCU1-90-day-Warranty-/192227225838
12:31 PM IchGucksLive: hi from Germany
12:33 PM Deejay: halo
12:49 PM * SpeedEvil ponders milling pockets into potato pre-baking, to fill with cheese.
12:49 PM roycroft: lego world, i think they call it
12:49 PM roycroft: ack, mischan
12:51 PM phipli: What would the best cutter type be for potato?
12:52 PM archivist: potato knife
12:52 PM archivist: on an axe wielding robot
12:53 PM * archivist thinks Swedish Chef
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: speed i woudt use a Plasma so pre cook is not an issue
01:09 PM SpeedEvil: I used a scraper.
01:09 PM SpeedEvil: - back side of a teaspoon to form a ~8mm deep pocket throughout then filled with bacon bits
01:10 PM archivist: one of those Caterpillar scrapers on road building?
01:17 PM SpeedEvil: yes. Then I filled in the road with bacon bits.
01:18 PM archivist: scraper was on my bucket list, for years, then I found out someone I knew had a relative on the local dump driving a dozer pulling a scraper :)
01:45 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, this will not end well - seems Korea trolled a bit and was testing only one stage, and now they added another on top and boom - they have USA within reach - Alaska and more.
01:45 PM DaViruz: anyone tried chinese adjustable parallels?
01:45 PM LeelooMinai: DaViruz: Like the triangle-shaped ones?
01:46 PM DaViruz: http://www.ebay.com/itm/6Pc-3-8-2-1-4-Adjustable-Parallels-Set-Precision-Steel-Measurement-Tool/132182541754?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2648http://www.ebay.com/itm/6Pc-3-8-2-1-4-Adjustable-Parallels-Set-Precision-Steel-Measurement-Tool/132182541754?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2648
01:46 PM DaViruz: dang
01:46 PM DaViruz: http://www.ebay.com/itm/6Pc-3-8-2-1-4-Adjustable-Parallels-Set-Precision-Steel-Measurement-Tool/132182541754?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2648
01:47 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
02:43 PM * JT-Shop is happy to say under all that crud and chips there was a vise after all
02:44 PM LeelooMinai: It's like sculptures who say that the sculpture was always there in a piece of rock - they just had to reveal it:p
02:44 PM LeelooMinai: sculpturers? :)
02:59 PM LeelooMinai: Sculptors!
03:04 PM Vitran: I found fun in the ceiling of the shop. 4 wire 10 gauge wire with 230V/230V/Neutral/Ground. It was live when I found it with the ends bare
03:05 PM LeelooMinai: a fan?
03:05 PM Vitran: Now I got to figure out what I want to do with it. We live on 120V here, so not sure how I want to branch this out.
03:05 PM Vitran: Nah, most likely a heater
03:05 PM Vitran: But it is near a wall with 1 outlet, so I want more outlets
03:06 PM LeelooMinai: I thought fun=fan or something... I would not consider finding bare live wires a fun, unless that was some kind of sarcasm:)
03:06 PM Vitran: I also found another 230V live wire in the office celing
03:07 PM Vitran: But those were electrical taped up, not bare
03:07 PM LeelooMinai: Or maybe you are like that photoinduction guy that has strange idea of fun:)
03:08 PM Vitran: For me, 'fun' is when you find something that takes a lot of work to fix
03:08 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, but if it can kill you - I don't know:)
03:09 PM Vitran: I also found aluminum to copper wiring in the bathroom
03:10 PM LeelooMinai: I assume that's bad?
03:10 PM Vitran: aluminum and copper make a half cell reaction that corrodes. This can make a resistor that can start a fire
03:10 PM Vitran: aluminum is not allowed in housing construction as a result
03:11 PM jdh: now.
03:12 PM Vitran: yeah. If you find it you have to get special furrles and switches
03:13 PM miss0r: Part one of this ridiculous project is now fresh off the mill. A friend of mine wants an automated lowering system for his projector... hehe, apparently he doesn't like the designs available commercialy. hehe
03:13 PM LeelooMinai: Aluminum wire seems like a bad idea in the first place - not really good at being bent for example and not that good conduction of electricity.
03:13 PM jdh: but, it's cheaper than copper
03:13 PM LeelooMinai: But I guess cheaper
03:13 PM LeelooMinai: Right
03:13 PM LeelooMinai: Or at least nowadays it is
03:14 PM miss0r: next part... 2500 lines of g code transferred with a 2400 baud *sigh* :D
03:16 PM miss0r: This would have been done in 5 minuts if I had a wire edm..... I guess I need to add an extension to the shop
03:30 PM miss0r: Almost done with the second for the night, then this happened: http://picpaste.com/IMG_20170705_215652-4YSLwjCE.jpg And apparently that was my last 6mm carbide endmill in stock :-/
03:31 PM cradek: oops
03:36 PM XXCoder: doh
03:36 PM miss0r: Yeah.. and i'm always so goddamn carefull with those cutouts.... This one jammed on me
03:36 PM Deejay: whoopsie
03:36 PM miss0r: Almost killed the tool holder as well
03:39 PM miss0r: I was making the second one of these: http://picpaste.com/IMG_20170705_220741-gBa5gnr3.jpg on a program that was tried and true :]
03:41 PM miss0r: I think that'll do for tonight. Have a good one people
03:42 PM FinboySlick: miss0r: Sounds like work for a plasma cutter more than anything.
03:43 PM pink_vampire: hi
03:43 PM XXCoder: hey pink how was your 4th
03:48 PM Frank_10: rofl lol; etc. they want me to pay 450usd for 2meters of cable chain
03:48 PM XXCoder: is chain made from gold?
03:49 PM Vitran: Is it made from Monster cables?
03:49 PM XXCoder: LOL
03:49 PM XXCoder: now that was ripoff
03:49 PM Frank_10: i think its a mix of adamantium and mars surface dust
03:50 PM Frank_10: anyone did a diy?
03:51 PM Deejay: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4564&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
03:52 PM XXCoder: Frank_10: amazon seriously
03:52 PM XXCoder: you can buy rather long one for few bucks
03:52 PM Frank_10: im from argentina
03:52 PM XXCoder: my cnc route cable chains both of em cost me 20 bucks thats it
03:52 PM Frank_10: here you have to pay x300 for everything
03:52 PM XXCoder: so no amazon eh. maybe aliexpress
03:53 PM XXCoder: https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20170705122229&SearchText=cable+chain
03:53 PM Frank_10: sadly; i have a family member on miamo right now; but hes leaving tomorroe T_T
03:54 PM Frank_10: yea; but i want to wire up everything now : D probably my fault for not ordering ahead
03:54 PM Frank_10: of time
03:54 PM Frank_10: *miami
03:54 PM XXCoder: true lol takes so long
04:16 PM Vitran: I'm going through the Ladder program. How do I define which input and output pins are in Ladder or which are defined to %I0 and %Q0? I have the Ladder gui open and have been playing around
04:18 PM cradek: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/ladder/classic-ladder.html#_classic_ladder_variables
04:18 PM cradek: it says here that %I are hal input pins, and %Q are hal output pins
04:21 PM Vitran: But is it of the form ' net classicladder.0.s32in - 00 <= hm2_5i25.0.7i64.0.2.input-09 ' ?
04:21 PM Vitran: And I put that code into the *.hal file?
04:22 PM cradek: that input pin is probably a bit, so no you can't connect it to an s32in
04:22 PM cradek: it's probably classicladder.0.in-00 or similar. Use halshow to see what pins are available, and their types. it should be apparent.
04:22 PM cradek: (or halcmd)
04:24 PM cradek: in the basic tutorial is information about how to use the net command: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/basic-hal.html#_net
04:24 PM cradek: you should read the entire basic tutorial if you haven't yet
04:25 PM Vitran: I've been going through them a few times now
04:26 PM Vitran: but doesn't mean I absorb it very well.
04:31 PM Deejay: gn8
05:33 PM dan3wik is now known as dan2wik
05:36 PM * JT-Shop forgot how expensive the tapmatic tapping head was :O
05:37 PM Tom_itx: all coming back to ya now?
05:37 PM JT-Shop: XXCoder: got the enco mill back up and running
05:37 PM JT-Shop: came back after I looked up the price... it's for sale
05:37 PM Tom_itx: rumaging thru crashed files here
05:39 PM Tom_itx: looks like i'll have to rebuild my bitfiles
05:39 PM Tom_itx: after i download xilinx again
05:45 PM Tom_itx: JT-Shop, do you know if the 7I90 stores the bitfile on the board?
05:48 PM Tom_itx: it's been so long since i had to mess with this...
05:55 PM JT-Shop: yea I think so, only the 5i20 needs to load the bit file at boot up IIRC
05:55 PM Tom_itx: i wonder if i can pull the file off and save it
05:56 PM Tom_itx: i think it's possible but i don't remember how
05:57 PM JT-Shop: that is above my pay grade for sure lol
06:00 PM Tom_itx: how can you tell what os is loaded on linux?
06:01 PM JT-Shop: you mean what kernel?
06:02 PM JT-Shop: uname -a for the kernel
06:02 PM Tom_itx: i had to back this up but i'm not sure if this hdd is wheezy or stretch :)
06:02 PM JT-Shop: system monitor
06:02 PM Tom_itx: i was harvesting data from the dead drive
06:03 PM JT-Shop: stretch is pretty new I think
06:04 PM Tom_itx: it's real new
06:04 PM Tom_itx: but i had loaded it on one of these
06:04 PM Tom_itx: and i think this may be the one. i can't run it on the D525 board
06:04 PM Tom_itx: so i'll have to move it all off to something and reinstall i think
06:05 PM JT-Shop: what kernel are you trying to run on the D525?
06:05 PM Tom_itx: i just can't remember if i had wheezy or stretch installed on this
06:05 PM Tom_itx: i need wheezy
06:06 PM Tom_itx: i've got the cd's
06:27 PM rob_h: hi, when HAL runs out of memory for signals is there away to increase it ? or it is hard coded and you need to recompile ?
06:27 PM cradek: you'll have to recompile
06:28 PM cradek: I'm surprised you've run out
06:28 PM rob_h: i got afew 7i70 and 7i72 cards plus other things
06:29 PM rob_h: was error hal gave. looking it shows HAL memory status
06:29 PM rob_h: used/total shared memory: 307192/307200
06:29 PM cradek: bonk
06:32 PM cradek: hal/hal_priv.h:#define HAL_SIZE (75*4096)
06:39 PM JT-Shop: hey rob_h hows it going on your side of the pond?
06:39 PM rob_h: not too bad been away for abit so just back on with the machine fitting
06:40 PM JT-Shop: I just got my Enco manual mill up and running today, moved it from the other shop a month ago lol
06:41 PM rob_h: can make some chips again now then
06:41 PM JT-Shop: did a pretty good job of trying to run an ER11 tool holder through some ally yesterday
06:41 PM rob_h: just fitting a new DC drive in the lathe too as the old drive gave up
06:42 PM JT-Shop: the VMC didn't fault out lol I'm impressed
06:42 PM rob_h: yea but tool holders dont tent to cut well
06:43 PM JT-Shop: melted the ally into the collet
06:43 PM rob_h: yea last time i did something like that, ally stuck inside the coller and and nut and i could not get the collet out of the nut
06:43 PM rob_h: so i had to get a new nut
06:44 PM JT-Shop: hmm I wonder if I can get a new nut for the tool holder???
06:44 PM JT-Shop: I'll have to email maritool and see
06:44 PM rob_h: yea they all standard depends if its a mini or normal
06:44 PM rob_h: as they diff threads
06:45 PM JT-Shop: https://www.maritool.com/Tool-Holders-BT30-ER-Collet-Chucks/c23_33_35/p51/BT30-ER11-60mm-Collet-Chuck-Tool-Holder/product_info.html
06:45 PM rob_h: https://www.maritool.com/p80/ER11-COLLET-NUT/product_info.html
06:46 PM JT-Shop: well bang that is it! thanks
06:46 PM rob_h: at least it was only a ER holder hay
06:47 PM JT-Shop: actually I need an ER11 and an ER16 nut
06:48 PM JT-Shop: yea trying to do two ops at the same time op1 on left vise and op2 on the right and screwed up the CAM
06:49 PM JT-Shop: have to check the wings brb
06:57 PM rob_h: yea where pay to be non lazy and set tools from gauge line and offsets correct . im thinking about adding the renishaw tool probe on the machien when i finish it
06:57 PM Crom: A friend got one of these... I just put a 1TB drive in it. http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Wifi-8CH-NVR-720P-Wireless-IP-CCTV-Surveillance-Security-Camera-System-US-/131927520848?epid=1182957481&hash=item1eb77e3650:g:AhEAAOSwjDZYgFq0
06:57 PM rob_h: i see someone had start doing all the probe cycles but no one seems to have wrote the calibration side for it
06:57 PM JT-Shop: nice
06:57 PM JT-Shop: calibration?
06:57 PM rob_h: yea to set the trigger distance of the probe and the stylus size for OD check
06:59 PM JT-Shop: or speak even
06:59 PM rob_h: cya
07:16 PM LeelooMinai: Damn, I am dying here:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1HwaUkl_uw
09:16 PM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest17570
09:46 PM codepython777: is there a compact air blower I can buy for my cnc cutter? I am using compressed gas cans right now.
09:53 PM LeelooMinai: codepython777: Cannot use a proper compressor?
09:55 PM archivist: use vacuum clean the chips up rather than spray around the room
09:57 PM codepython777: LeelooMinai: I was actually looking for a lightweight compressor
09:58 PM LeelooMinai: codepython777: Why lightweight? Imo if you have room, just buy bigger one -0 will be useful for other things.
10:00 PM codepython777: LeelooMinai: what other things do you use the air compressor for? :)
10:03 PM LeelooMinai: codepython777: There's many, many uses. I bought a set of air tools on some sale, and it has impact driver (great if you need to deal with tons of big screws - used it when doing floor work, stair work, etc.), angle grinder, an air tool (good for PC insides - you have so much power there, then if will clean the whole PC in few blows,) I am forgetting other tools now probably, o right, many times I used it for a "stapler" thing - it
10:03 PM LeelooMinai: fires u-shaped wires...
10:04 PM LeelooMinai: not angle grinder - die grander*
10:04 PM LeelooMinai: grinder**
10:04 PM codepython777: I'll have to buy all of those add ons to the compressor then? :)
10:04 PM roycroft: i have a 5hp two stage compressor
10:04 PM roycroft: but i use a vacuum to clean up chips
10:04 PM LeelooMinai: codepython777: No, you can buy what you want. Just saying that often you can buy a set like this for cheap.
10:05 PM roycroft: as archivist said, i don't want to blow them around the room
10:05 PM roycroft: but more importantly, i don't want to blow them into the way dovetails, etc. of my machinery
10:06 PM LeelooMinai: codepython777: Also, I have the compressor in the basement, and ran the air hose from it upstairs to my CNC/bedroom and use RF remote mains switch to turn it on/off - so no noise, it's pretty cute. All is controlled by solenoid air valves from linuxcnc.
10:06 PM roycroft: better to suck the swarf out than to push it into hidden, precision ground surfaces
10:06 PM roycroft: at least that's how i see it
10:07 PM LeelooMinai: codepython777: Having vaccum is good too, but imo both make sense - I bought cheap chinese mister thing, but use it for air cooling for now and just removing cheaps when milling. Works great, since it's overpowered with a normal-size compressor.
10:08 PM codepython777: I've a vaccum.
10:08 PM LeelooMinai: cheaps=chips
10:08 PM codepython777: aliexpress?
10:09 PM codepython777: I've a inflator, I was wondering if there was a way to make it push air out at high pressure
10:09 PM LeelooMinai: codepython777: I use mister control to turn the air valve in the g-code on/off.
10:09 PM LeelooMinai: codepython777: Meh, inflator... imo no.
10:09 PM codepython777: nice
10:10 PM codepython777: LeelooMinai: Do you have the link to where you bought it from?
10:10 PM LeelooMinai: codepython777: I have something like this more or less: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Metal-Cutting-Engraving-Machine-Mist-Cool-Lubrication-Spray-System-Cool-Sprayer/32797764947.html
10:10 PM LeelooMinai: THere are cheaper, even for $5, but, well...
10:11 PM LeelooMinai: I just don't use the mist port
10:11 PM LeelooMinai: + you can get 12V or whatever solenoid air valves - they are around $10 on Ali
10:12 PM LeelooMinai: Then wire them to mesa or what you have there, and you have control from linuxcnc.
10:12 PM codepython777: nice!
10:13 PM LeelooMinai: I would also make or get a pressure gauge and a "manifold" - then you can also have air in your room for, well, a hose + some tools for doing weird things, like using air to scare cat, clean stuff, etc:)
10:14 PM LeelooMinai: I mean make/get a manifild, and buy a pressure gauge*
10:14 PM LeelooMinai: With shutdown valve
10:15 PM LeelooMinai: You can later even use it for some pneumatics on your CNC with air actuators, etc.
10:16 PM codepython777: I'll have to read up on this - sounds exciting :)
10:16 PM codepython777: Thanks for the pointers.
10:16 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, np
10:23 PM dioz: any of "you people" suggest some good safety glasses?
10:26 PM cncnoob: You people?!
10:26 PM cncnoob: :)
10:27 PM Tom_itx: for what purpose?
10:27 PM LeelooMinai: lol @ Chinese description of a circuit breaker finder thingy: "Please caution extremely when use the MS5902 in the gigantic circuit breaker ark."
10:27 PM Tom_itx: there are several standards
10:27 PM dioz: https://www.amazon.com/3M-Virtua-Protective-Eyewear-11872-00000-20/dp/B00AEXKR4C/ref=zg_bs_2681344011_22?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=RB6QXDAK2ANWKA10R40M
10:28 PM dioz: check those out
10:28 PM dioz: i imagine the foam would get gross though
10:28 PM Tom_itx: are they osha stamped?
10:29 PM cncnoob: I had a pair of these for about 5 years. Still have them actually but they are slightly scratched now, but they held up real well for how much I used them and they were comfortable.
10:29 PM cncnoob: http://www.seton.com/smith-wesson-magnum-3g-safety-eyewear-vc1273.html?sku=8080C&gclid=Cj0KCQjwnPLKBRC-ARIsAL_JTCxI-W9OSva71Osl_z3pTzTO_c_tCqgFvwM19yldf_0CPuXsq-hvLlEaAj3VEALw_wcB
10:29 PM LeelooMinai: Those looks nice, but won't work if you wear glasses in the first place.
10:29 PM cncnoob: Oh didn't realize that was a requirement
10:29 PM cncnoob: get lasik?
10:30 PM dioz: smith and wesson 'eh...
10:30 PM LeelooMinai: Why lasik - go fulll mile and replace eyeballs with small cameras.
10:30 PM dioz: i don't wear glasses in the first place
10:30 PM cncnoob: haha
10:30 PM dioz: i'm just looking for a pimp pair of safety glasses
10:31 PM dioz: i'd like the ones that block from the side
10:31 PM cncnoob: I have a pair of black and decker's I got from walmart that I'm wearing now
10:31 PM dioz: and sit directly against my skin
10:31 PM cncnoob: They are just as comfortable as the S&Ws I had
10:31 PM dioz: cause i use an angle grinder a lot
10:31 PM dioz: sparks bounce
10:31 PM dioz: you ever seen the ones adam savages buddy wears on that mythbuster show
10:31 PM dioz: the walrus dude
10:31 PM LeelooMinai: BTW, I used to do a lot of MTV races. One guy once ran into "bushes" on a downhill section and polycarbonate lens pretty much cut his eye in half....
10:31 PM dioz: i always forget his name
10:31 PM LeelooMinai: MTB*
10:31 PM LeelooMinai: MTV, lol
10:32 PM Tom_itx: https://www.uline.com/Grp_208/Safety-Glasses?pricode=WG97&AdKeyword=osha%20safety%20glasses&AdMatchtype=e&gclid=CNmsh6PV89QCFdC1wAodJHQBJA&gclsrc=aw.ds
10:32 PM Tom_itx: take your pick
10:33 PM LeelooMinai: When the doctor told him he lost his eye, his first question was if he can still ride the bike...
10:33 PM dioz: i'd roll all over you
10:34 PM dioz: 24" cruiser
10:34 PM dioz: used to rock dirt jumps all the time
10:34 PM dioz: spent hours diggin
10:34 PM dioz: days
10:34 PM dioz: weeks
10:34 PM dioz: chucked a backflip once
10:34 PM dioz: hurt
10:34 PM dioz: didn't land it
10:35 PM Tom_itx: use a full face shield with an angle grinder
10:35 PM dioz: Tom_itx: hah yah we're supposed to
10:35 PM LeelooMinai: Right, those shapes are dangerous - I mean those frameless lenses - probably that's how he lost the eye - they can dislodge from the frame and do more damage then protection if you jist something.
10:35 PM Tom_itx: i know
10:35 PM LeelooMinai: if you hit*
10:35 PM Tom_itx: are you in the US?
10:35 PM dioz: canada
10:36 PM LeelooMinai: US is now DS:)
10:36 PM dioz: at trade school the one year a kid had a zip disk explode on him
10:36 PM LeelooMinai: Disunited States
10:36 PM dioz: rushed to emerg to get stitches
10:36 PM dioz: must've been a snitch
10:36 PM dioz: *Shrug*
10:37 PM dioz: thing is you gotta be smart when using a cutting disk
10:37 PM dioz: fuck
10:37 PM dioz: don't angle that shit at anything important
10:37 PM LeelooMinai: Imo if you can, avoid it:)
10:37 PM dioz: centripedal force that motherfucker into the jugular
10:37 PM dioz: no thnx
10:37 PM dioz: boy is my face red
10:37 PM LeelooMinai: centrifugal...
10:37 PM dioz: i had one explode and hit my thumb is the worst of it
10:38 PM dioz: hurt for the rest of the day
10:38 PM Tom_itx: so wear proper protection
10:39 PM LeelooMinai: Or let the natural selection run its course:)
10:39 PM dioz: i'd just rather not point it at anything important
10:40 PM LeelooMinai: It can always bounce
10:41 PM Tom_itx: he'll figure that out one day
10:42 PM dioz: hah i probably have used an angle grinder more this year than you have in your life
10:42 PM dioz: only once has a disk broke on me and it didn't even break skin
10:42 PM dioz: i cut a lot of high velocity duct
10:42 PM dioz: spiral
10:44 PM Tom_itx: that just makes you more suseptible to injury
10:47 PM Vitran_: When grinding, I always think of this image http://imgur.com/hc0qVrf
10:49 PM Vitran_: Also think about the disk coming across the stomach and the like. Grinders are bloody disc throwers
10:49 PM roycroft: wearing a phone book insider your shirt helps with that
10:50 PM roycroft: inside
10:50 PM LeelooMinai: Wasn't there someone killed recently trying to make youtube video where phonebook stops a bullet? :)
10:52 PM LeelooMinai: I think he tested it and then got the gf to shoot at it, but that time it went through.
10:52 PM roycroft: bullets and grinding disks are not equivalent
10:52 PM LeelooMinai: Pretty silly way to die.
10:53 PM LeelooMinai: They are kind of similar - an object with a lot of kinetic energy:)
10:56 PM dioz: need an AC test gauge
10:57 PM LeelooMinai: The what...?
10:59 PM dioz: A/C
10:59 PM LeelooMinai: But what gauge...
11:00 PM dioz: a manifold and a few gauges to see how much coolant is in the lines
11:00 PM dioz: and refill it
11:08 PM cncnoob: speaking of coolant (not refrigerant), what kind of coolant are you all using in your mister? I think pink_vampire was saying she used rubbing alcohol and XXCoder said he used a mix of something... maybe water and alcohol?
11:09 PM LeelooMinai: I once wondered if I could use IPA, but forgot to research:)
11:10 PM cncnoob: Isn't that the same as rubbing alsohol?
11:10 PM LeelooMinai: The plus being it just evaporates quickly.
11:10 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, isoprobyl alcohol - same thing.
11:10 PM LeelooMinai: isopropyl
11:10 PM LeelooMinai: Damn, more leds died on my keyboard and cannot see anything.
11:12 PM LeelooMinai: I think I will order this thing: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hot-1Pc-MASTECH-MS5902-Circuit-Breaker-LED-Tester-Finder-CATII-600V-Zeroline-110V-US-Popular-New/32707194521.html
11:12 PM LeelooMinai: I need to map all the sockets in the house.
11:15 PM LeelooMinai: As part of a brave attempt to "deretard" this house's electrical system:)
11:16 PM LeelooMinai: I am pretty sure some sockets have live and neutral switched:(
11:16 PM pink_vampire: cncnoob: hiii
11:16 PM cncnoob: hey pink
11:16 PM LeelooMinai: Also, got micro inverter for solar panels today - soon I will be testing it.
11:16 PM cncnoob: LeelooMinai, that is unfortunate. I never understood how anyone could get the ground wire wrong
11:17 PM cncnoob: I could see getting hot and neutral swapped, but not ground
11:17 PM LeelooMinai: cncnoob: Well, but that's what I wrote - live and neutral switched.
11:17 PM cncnoob: pink_vampire, did you see my message on discord?
11:18 PM LeelooMinai: If I had ground being live, now, that would be pretty strange:)
11:18 PM cncnoob: ah
11:18 PM cncnoob: yes you did :p
11:18 PM cncnoob: I was thinking ground for some reason
11:18 PM LeelooMinai: "Mom, our house but Earth at 110V potential!"
11:18 PM LeelooMinai: but=put
11:19 PM pink_vampire: no
11:19 PM cncnoob: I'll copy paste :)
11:19 PM cncnoob: Hey pink_vampire, what do you think about me stepping up to a 3KW VFD spindle instead of a 2.2KW? It is only about an inch wider, but has an extra 1HP. Thought that extra 1HP might help me out when I turn the spindle slower than rated so it doesn't bog down.
11:19 PM pink_vampire: i saw it now
11:19 PM cncnoob: http://www.ebay.com/itm/100MM-DIAMETER-ER20-WATER-COOLED-SPINDLE-MOTOR-3KW-FOUR-BEARING-AND-INVERTER-TOP-/162495789231?epid=824633365&hash=item25d580f8af:g:OcgAAOSwzrxUs19a
11:19 PM cncnoob: ah
11:20 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbcNlpZ_nCI&spfreload=1#t=162.053323703
11:20 PM LeelooMinai: cncnoob: Imo the bigger collet the better - you will have more millend choice, etc.
11:20 PM roycroft: there's a interesting use of air
11:20 PM roycroft: about a minute into the video
11:20 PM LeelooMinai: endmill*
11:20 PM LeelooMinai: I wish I could put 1/2 inch bits at least into mine:(
11:20 PM cncnoob: Yeah, I would like to get an ER32 if I can't stick with the R8 or go TTS with the high speed spindle
11:21 PM cncnoob: but the ER20 will suffice
11:21 PM roycroft: keith is line boring a sleeve in that video
11:21 PM cncnoob: At least I can use reduced shank bit at that point and get up to an 1" if I need to (which is what my machine is supposed to max out at)
11:21 PM cncnoob: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOvGv9aRKFs
11:22 PM cncnoob: pink_vampire that answers my question about high speed milling steel
11:22 PM pink_vampire: cncnoob: I don't think you will need an end mill larger then 3/8" with those speeds, but' if you go with 220v vfd go with 60K rpm
11:22 PM LeelooMinai: "in case you will need to do some dentistry"
11:22 PM cncnoob: I can't believe how fast that is eating that metal up on a router table
11:23 PM cncnoob: Dang, you keep trying to get me to go faster
11:24 PM cncnoob: I haven't even seen a 60K from China
11:24 PM cncnoob: there are a lot of the 24K
11:25 PM LeelooMinai: pink_vampire: Wth will he/she do with 60k...
11:26 PM pink_vampire: cncnoob: on a machine like yours' the chip load is have to be low anyway, so to go for slow speed high torque spindle, is not going to give you any good, but 60K over 24K will give you the ability to work with even smaller endmills in decent speed.
11:26 PM cncnoob: Some of the feed & speeds calculators I have used recommend speeds over 100K for small bit and aluminum
11:26 PM LeelooMinai: cncnoob: Probably you focused on surface speed instead of chop load
11:27 PM LeelooMinai: chip*
11:27 PM LeelooMinai: Where in fact it's not really as important as chip load.
11:28 PM cncnoob: Yeah I'm still learning how to work all the feeds and speeds out (chip load included)
11:28 PM LeelooMinai: cncnoob: That's a decent video from NYC CNC on youtube about it - I found it useful.
11:28 PM LeelooMinai: THere's*
11:30 PM LeelooMinai: cncnoob: Part of some 3 video series, well, whatever:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQUN6_bI-io&t=44s
11:31 PM cncnoob: thanks, I'll check them out!
11:33 PM pink_vampire: the video from "This Old Tony" show how not to work with cnc. the guy cant get the right size because he take very heavy cut' and never do a finish pass. and he ignore the direction of cut.
11:34 PM pink_vampire: so' to make good parts, it's not just about how good and expensive is your machine, is mostly how good are you as a machinist.
11:34 PM LeelooMinai: From what I remember with CNC you want climbcut. Forgot the details, but I think this had to do with chipload
11:34 PM pink_vampire: LeelooMinai: no
11:35 PM LeelooMinai: Well, that's what I watched - I think it was one of NYC CNC videos even.
11:35 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I think this assures that you have decent chip thickness.
11:36 PM pink_vampire: for heavy cuts conventional is the way to go. for finish, climb.
11:36 PM cncnoob: Climb gives you a better finish on a peripheral cut
11:36 PM cncnoob: I think that you have to be careful using climb on a corner though right?
11:36 PM cncnoob: or is it the other way around
11:36 PM cncnoob: like when Old Tony was doing his corners
11:36 PM cncnoob: I think he was climbing
11:37 PM LeelooMinai: pink_vampire: I think you have it reverse...
11:37 PM cncnoob: So avoid conventional in corner then?
11:37 PM LeelooMinai: pink_vampire: http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCCNCMillFeedsSpeedsClimbConventional.htm
11:37 PM cncnoob: http://www.ebay.com/itm/95W-Natural-cooled-Spindle-Motor-20000-60000rpm-36V-2-1A-48mm-Collet-3-175mm-/122003760407?hash=item1c67fda517:g:uC0AAOSwj85YMKKR
11:38 PM cncnoob: That 60K is tiny
11:38 PM LeelooMinai: cncnoob: pink_vampire will turn you into a dentist:p
11:39 PM cncnoob: haha
11:40 PM pink_vampire: climb grub the material and increase tool deflection, but leave better finish, conventional push the material and leave coarse finish
11:40 PM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
11:40 PM pink_vampire: cncnoob: look very nice spindle
11:41 PM pink_vampire: now try to find a 110V VFD for 1000Hz
11:41 PM LeelooMinai: pink_vampire: Ok, but the point is that with CNC you are supposed to have stiff setup - it's noa ahandheld router. So climb will five you nice "bite" into the material and have nice chip form. THe other way you risk "sliding" over the material with rather catastrophic condequences.
11:42 PM LeelooMinai: Damn, cannot type with those dark keys - fail.
11:45 PM cncnoob: pink_vampire I think there must be a point of diminishing returns on higher speed lower torque motors
11:47 PM pink_vampire: LeelooMinai: "with CNC you are supposed to have stiff setup" I don't have a 5 tons cnc machine, we are all have small home shop machines. and this is why you must to do only the finish operation in climb.
11:47 PM cncnoob: http://www.ebay.com/itm/300W-Spindle-Motor-ER8-VFD-Inverter-Kit-CNC-Water-Cooled-60000rpm-High-Speed-/351928958647?epid=2100240201&hash=item51f099beb7:g:HAYAAOSwJ7RYSneK
11:47 PM LeelooMinai: pink_vampire: I mean it in a way that it's not like cheap router you hold in hand, or even a table router.
11:47 PM cncnoob: there is one with a VFD
11:48 PM pink_vampire: nput Voltage(V) 1-phase AC 220V ±20% 50/60Hz
11:48 PM LeelooMinai: pink_vampire: Especially in aluminum - I think it's better to use climb cut.
11:49 PM cncnoob: 220v is easy to set up yourself at your breaker box
11:49 PM LeelooMinai: Not cutting enough can be worse than cutting too much.
11:50 PM pink_vampire: LeelooMinai: if your machine can handle that, go for it.
11:51 PM cncnoob: pink_vampire do you not have 220v at your place or do you just not want to deal with setting it up?
11:51 PM LeelooMinai: lol, CNN has an article "What goes on in the mind of 'trolls'" - finally big stations catch up with who is driving masses nowadays.
11:51 PM pink_vampire: I have for the stove
11:52 PM cncnoob: there ya go
11:52 PM cncnoob: just get rid of the stove and move the mill inside :)
11:52 PM LeelooMinai: I was playing with the idea of taking that 220V from the basement to my room, but, problematic.
11:53 PM pink_vampire: it is not that bad idea
11:53 PM pink_vampire: but for 300W' step up transformer will be the way to go.
11:54 PM LeelooMinai: 300watt is tiny - what's the point...
11:54 PM pink_vampire: 300 is HUGE for 1/8" end mill
11:55 PM pink_vampire: and it is a monster for 1/32"
11:55 PM LeelooMinai: pink_vampire: You must have some weird setup. For AC spindle it's almost useless.
11:56 PM LeelooMinai: pink_vampire: What exactly is your thing for? Cutting jewelery? :)
11:57 PM pink_vampire: 3d machining is my love. and for doing it right you need to run the machine with super small ball endmills and make gazillion passes to make it super nice and smooth.
11:58 PM pink_vampire: so most of your work is almost sanding the material with the endmill
11:58 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, maybe that's some corner case,
11:58 PM pink_vampire: not at all.
11:59 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I mean try to buy 300 watt AC spindle - 850 watt I have is considered "small".
11:59 PM LeelooMinai: And most people use 2200 watt one
11:59 PM pink_vampire: 300 it is huge