#linuxcnc Logs
Jul 04 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:39 AM Crom: SSDD
12:42 AM Crom: Nice! http://elephantandchicken.co.uk/projects/Board2.png
12:42 AM LeelooMinai: Crom: What do you mean?
12:43 AM LeelooMinai: Reveal your thoughts or forever perish!
12:43 AM Crom: LeelooMinai: phipli had one trace on the other side of the board. I pointed out where to fix it to make it a single sided board
12:43 AM LeelooMinai: A, right, now I remember.
12:44 AM LeelooMinai: wth, walmart does not even have citric acid in the store...
12:45 AM LeelooMinai: Was this thing banned or something too? :)
12:46 AM Crom: Lemon juice? dunno... bean counters might have pulled it if it was a slow seller
12:47 AM LeelooMinai: No, I mean citric acid in crystals
12:47 AM LeelooMinai: Wanted to try some for removing galvanisation layer
12:48 AM Crom: like I said.. bena counters might have removed it for slow sales
12:48 AM Crom: bean
12:48 AM Crom: is down?
12:49 AM LeelooMinai: What is down...
12:50 AM Crom: I had a wrong url...
12:50 AM Crom: I have 2 copmputers here.. this one is my linuxcnc machine and my hp lappy top
12:57 AM Crom: connector
12:57 AM Crom: ak..
01:03 AM roycroft: go to a homebrew or vintner supply shop for citric acid
01:03 AM roycroft: or a health food store/natural foods grocery
01:05 AM archivist: or general goods, "sticky stuff remover"
01:32 AM IchGucksLive: Morning from Germany
01:39 AM roycroft: 'morgen
01:43 AM IchGucksLive: morning dansk
01:50 AM IchGucksLive: off 2 garden BYE
02:07 AM Crom: Wow eagle is a pain..
02:07 AM Crom: nite all
02:19 AM hazzy: Oops, started playing with FreeCAD, did not realize it was almost 3:00AM!
02:19 AM hazzy: gn8
02:20 AM Deejay: moin
03:51 AM LeelooMinai: lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrDnSLyuw40
04:55 AM XXCoder: boooo
04:56 AM XXCoder: LeelooMinai: that man tried to say that tv it was just his "persona" on court for kids
05:03 AM XXCoder: LeelooMinai: know whats funnier? chris denying he did not get tan while he olviously was tanning, denial of ever being at beach when there is pics
05:03 AM XXCoder: and saying he cannot go because goverment is closed, and he used helicoper rides from goverment to there and back.
05:50 AM jthornton: morning
05:54 AM XXCoder: hey
06:35 AM malcom2073: Morn
06:37 AM XXCoder: yo
06:51 AM Loetmichel: *LUUUNCH break*... and i found the problem on the BMW... just a slipped water hose... but no idea how to get my hands in there to fix it :-( -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16728&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 (thats BEHIND the engine, close to the firewall)
06:51 AM XXCoder: ouch thats lot of run
06:52 AM Loetmichel: run?
06:53 AM Frank_10: loetmichel; looks like you coul reach from beneath the car
06:53 AM XXCoder: *fun
06:53 AM Loetmichel: its at the top of the engine... i doubt my arms are long enough
06:53 AM XXCoder: some fixes require you to remove other parts
06:53 AM XXCoder: that may be well one of em
06:54 AM Frank_10: yea; like cilinder head
07:09 AM Tom_itx: awesome german engineering
07:11 AM archivist: french usually make things more difficult, one engine you could not change a spark plug
07:36 AM * Loetmichel just drove the BMW to the local repair shop here at the company... and then ran back to work because lunch break is done.... MAN am i out of shape.. 1.5 miles running and i sound like an old steam locomotive after a serious climb ;)
08:00 AM archivist: bugger, now I have the probe head the cable is 6 times more expensive http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Renishaw-Motorized-Probe-Heads-A-1023-7056-PL33-/122046713445
08:58 AM Roguish: hey all. how about a milling question. I have a bunch of 3/8 holes with .75 counter bores to do in steel. want to drill the 3/8 hole then endmill the c'bore. is it better to use a .75 end mill and plunge with 1 cut, or to use a smaller cutter and go around the circle to do to c'bore?
09:29 AM JT-Shop: I use a smaller one from the center out
09:30 AM JT-Shop: my counterbore program can create G code for that
09:30 AM Roguish: helical interpolation down
09:30 AM Roguish: ?
09:30 AM JT-Shop: I Z down in the hole then move out and around for each pass
09:31 AM JT-Shop: I wonder if counter bore is finished on my Mill G code Generator...
09:31 AM Roguish: Z down full depth, or step a little at a time?
09:32 AM JT-Shop: I usually do 0.025-0.50 DOC
09:33 AM Roguish: cbore depth is .218, diam is .75, center hole is 3/8 thru
09:35 AM JT-Shop: wow I forgot I programmed the counter bore program to do a spiral out to finished diameter then a circle to complete
09:35 AM Roguish: cbore doesn't have to be pretty. how about a roughing end mill?
09:36 AM JT-Shop: up to you
09:37 AM Roguish: hey, just clicked on 'Mill G Code Generator' and got a 404 error
09:38 AM Roguish: https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/35613165
09:40 AM JT-Shop: on my web site?
09:40 AM Roguish: yes, your site.
09:40 AM JT-Shop: hmm works for me http://gnipsel.com/files/mill-g-code/
09:40 AM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/files/mill-g-code/mill-1.7.7.zip
09:40 AM Roguish: from 'JT's machine shop' page
09:41 AM JT-Shop: oh let me check that link
09:42 AM JT-Shop: yep that link is broken, I'll fix it in a bit but use that ^^ one
09:42 AM Roguish: thanks, i'll check it out
09:53 AM Deejay: re
12:05 PM IchGucksLive: hi all happy 4th in the US
12:06 PM Deejay: happy high impedance day @ IchGucksLive ;)
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: Deejay: getting tropical here in the south
12:18 PM Deejay: yep, need rain
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: not untill friday
12:19 PM IchGucksLive: heu in tomorrow evening
12:24 PM Loetmichel: meh
12:24 PM Loetmichel: and me just broght his convertible back to the mechanick to fix the coolant leak :-(
12:25 PM Loetmichel: car failures have impeccable timing (for me at least)
12:31 PM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel: do you know if the rmf69 900mHz can transmit to more then one recivers
12:50 PM Loetmichel: no idea
12:50 PM Loetmichel: i dont even know that tranceiver
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: yes i will do my best
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: hi GBeard
01:03 PM GBeard: hey
01:03 PM GBeard: sorry not being ignorant just has a friend here
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: if you got a Q at CNc stuff juast ask as you know lots of people around
01:11 PM GBeard: your going to regret saying that lol i have a tonne of questions
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: i got 15min to go so maybe 10 to go
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: GBeard: my video info channel -> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmwhCL92ZQRSVqFe3jGwJSQ
01:19 PM GBeard: ive already built the machine, its just setting it up in linuxcnc, it is mostly the terminology that is an issue
01:19 PM GBeard: especially when comparing it to what i have on the machine
01:19 PM JT-Shop: around here we just ask the question
01:19 PM GBeard: for example i have a setting on the board labeled as pulses per step
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: is it a homemade mashine or a given one
01:21 PM GBeard: so understanding what that setting should be and how that relates to the settings within linux cnc
01:21 PM IchGucksLive: can we get more infos on the controler used
01:21 PM GBeard: its home made
01:21 PM GBeard: yes its a 3rd generation TB6560
01:21 PM IchGucksLive: so use Halfstepping on the tb6560 this gives you 400steps per rev
01:21 PM GBeard: i can send a link to the exact one i have
01:22 PM GBeard: yes i understand this
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: is it a 3axis board or more
01:22 PM GBeard: but is that the same as pulses per step?
01:22 PM GBeard: 3 axis
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: best to show the board
01:22 PM GBeard: ok sure one sec
01:23 PM GBeard: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-CNC-Standard-3Axis-TB6560-Stepper-Driver-Full-Kit-Motor-PSU-Keypad-Display/382006332460?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
01:24 PM IchGucksLive: the blue ones are great
01:24 PM IchGucksLive: i use them also
01:24 PM JT-Shop: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TB6560
01:24 PM IchGucksLive: so ARE the stepeprs connect direct to the mashine or some pulley gearing beeetween
01:25 PM IchGucksLive: GBeard: the Steps are calculated inside Stepconf
01:25 PM GBeard: also trying to understand how to get the setting correct in linux cnc. ts operating but when i ask it to move 15mm for example its moving more like 200mm this is to do with the lead screw settings im sure. but the info i have about the screw is 2mm pitch and a lead of 4. co im having difficulties working out what the pitch should be in linuxcnc
01:25 PM IchGucksLive: you just enter the real settings on the board
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: GBeard: thats the AXIS settings
01:26 PM GBeard: yes directly attached to the lead screws
01:26 PM GBeard: yes
01:26 PM JT-Shop: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/27-driver-boards/32719-tb6560-t3-cnc-board#92385
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: GBeard: do you know the leadscrew pitch
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: GBeard: im in Germany
01:27 PM GBeard: according to where i got them the pitch is 2mm with a lead of 4
01:27 PM GBeard: im using nema 17 motors
01:28 PM GBeard: im not sure what that is helping me with jt-shop
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: ok
01:28 PM IchGucksLive: so you got Stepeprs with 200steps/Rev
01:28 PM GBeard: yes
01:29 PM IchGucksLive: setting is Half on the blue Board
01:29 PM GBeard: half stepping currently so 400 steps per rotation
01:29 PM GBeard: yes
01:29 PM GBeard: the only setting on the board im not sure on is this pulse per step setting
01:30 PM IchGucksLive: with 50% declay
01:30 PM GBeard: its a translation issue im sure
01:30 PM GBeard: yes i think that is the default
01:30 PM IchGucksLive: if the pitch is 2mm i cand belive it
01:30 PM GBeard: ill send a link to the lead screws
01:31 PM GBeard: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8mm-T8-Lead-Screw-Threaded-Rod-200-1000mm-CNC-Trapezoidal-w-Anti-Backlash-Nut/322520621016?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=511498771103&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
01:31 PM IchGucksLive: thenits 200 steps per mm
01:31 PM GBeard: yes i know this
01:31 PM IchGucksLive: so it shoudt work
01:32 PM GBeard: but still when i put in on the axis settings that the pitch is 2mm it moves much more than what i tell it
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: you can see it in the AXIS display almost down it says 200steps per unit
01:32 PM GBeard: so as i said 15mm movement on the axis test in actual fact is more like 200mm
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: THEN please open the Folder in Linuxcnc config mashine names
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: lets see what is actully in tzhe setup
01:33 PM IchGucksLive: open filebrowser
01:34 PM IchGucksLive: goto HOME
01:34 PM IchGucksLive: linuxcnc
01:34 PM IchGucksLive: config
01:34 PM IchGucksLive: your mashine name
01:34 PM GBeard: ok settings in axis settings are currently as follows: motor steps:200, Microstepping:2, Teeth: 1:1, screw pitch 2mm,
01:34 PM Tom_itx: 2mm pitch 4 lead. would that be 8mm per turn?
01:34 PM GBeard: thats what i thought
01:34 PM GBeard: changing to 8mm gets me much closer
01:35 PM GBeard: but it is out by around 6mm still, perhaps im loosing steps?
01:35 PM Tom_itx: measure it physically. turn it one turn and see how far it moves
01:35 PM GBeard: so asking for 200mm of movement gives around 194mm
01:35 PM IchGucksLive: Tom takes over im off Gn8 from Germany
01:35 PM Tom_itx: i just stepped in for a sec...
01:35 PM GBeard: thnks for the time gucks
01:36 PM Tom_itx: sry, not gonna be here long either
01:36 PM GBeard: thats ok. im struggling along, just looking for pointeres or obvious things im missing
01:36 PM Tom_itx: someone here will help
01:36 PM GBeard: im sure it has something to do with this strange pulses per step setting on the board
01:37 PM IchGucksLive: GBeard: reduce the Acceleration and the Speed
01:37 PM Tom_itx: that sounds like microstepping
01:37 PM GBeard: have done acceleration and speed changes too
01:37 PM IchGucksLive: Starting by 20mm/s and 40mm Accelation
01:37 PM IchGucksLive: this gives you 1200mm/min
01:38 PM GBeard: ok ill give that a go. so we think 8mm for the pitch setting in linux cnc
01:38 PM IchGucksLive: that is most usefull
01:38 PM IchGucksLive: yes go for it
01:41 PM GBeard: ok so 8mm seems to have done it and it is moving accurately now
01:42 PM GBeard: using a pen it was able to draw 100mm across the axis
01:42 PM CaptHindsight: math is a wonderful thing :)
01:42 PM GBeard: just wasnt sure what the lead part was refering to
01:42 PM GBeard: as i said its all new terminology
01:43 PM IchGucksLive: ok so thats the pitch
01:43 PM IchGucksLive: now the performence GBeard
01:43 PM IchGucksLive: what do you expect to do
01:43 PM IchGucksLive: a 3D printer a small mill a cutter
01:43 PM GBeard: yes but the page i bought the screw from specifically said the screw had a pitch of 2mm
01:43 PM CaptHindsight: http://paws.wcu.edu/ballaaron/www/met366/modules/module8/image9JT.JPG
01:43 PM GBeard: its a router
01:44 PM GBeard: currently it has a dremel fixed to it
01:44 PM CaptHindsight: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Lead_and_pitch_in_screws.png
01:44 PM GBeard: but a spindle will come later
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: so now you got 50steps per mm
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: precision is 0,02mm
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: at 1200mm max speed
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: shoudt do a good job
01:44 PM IchGucksLive: lets see on the ACC
01:44 PM GBeard: well its all cheap crap im using currently but thats just to try it out and understand the technology
01:45 PM IchGucksLive: increase the 40mm Acceleration to 120
01:45 PM GBeard: im hoping to use it to build a better frame
01:45 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.thomsonlinear.com/website/com/eng/training/difference_between_screw_pitch_and_lead.php
01:45 PM GBeard: for itself
01:45 PM IchGucksLive: Move fast back and forward or give it a real ngc
01:45 PM GBeard: nice captain.
01:45 PM IchGucksLive: and see if you lose steps
01:46 PM GBeard: that makes it much clearer. wish i had found that before
01:46 PM GBeard: ho do i know if i have lost steps?
01:46 PM GBeard: measurement will be out?
01:47 PM IchGucksLive: start vat a given point that you can mesure most precise
01:47 PM IchGucksLive: lets say a pice of wood to the frame
01:47 PM IchGucksLive: or by caliber ofcause
01:47 PM IchGucksLive: dial if in reatch
01:47 PM GBeard: sure.
01:47 PM IchGucksLive: give it a harder work
01:47 PM GBeard: i can stick a pen in the end of the dremel or something
01:48 PM IchGucksLive: no no real mill
01:48 PM IchGucksLive: only testrun
01:48 PM IchGucksLive: do you got a calber
01:48 PM IchGucksLive: caliber
01:48 PM GBeard: not quite ready to run it for cutting. sadly the machine is ready but im still waiting on delivery for the 1000mm lead scew for the x axis
01:49 PM GBeard: yes i have a caliper
01:49 PM IchGucksLive: then open up the exampole file 3D-chips
01:50 PM IchGucksLive: save as to your nc_file
01:50 PM IchGucksLive: scale it
01:50 PM IchGucksLive: to fit your axis
01:50 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: Caliber = the diameter of a gun barell, btw:)
01:50 PM IchGucksLive: and set the ZERO to a caliber mesured point
01:50 PM LeelooMinai: barrel*
01:51 PM IchGucksLive: let me use a translater
01:51 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: You want "caliper"
01:51 PM GBeard: its ok i got what he meant
01:51 PM IchGucksLive: calliper
01:52 PM IchGucksLive: my english is mor denglish
01:52 PM GBeard: its no problem gucks. i can understand what you are meaning. if i am unclear i will say :)
01:52 PM LeelooMinai: GBeard: I know, but, you know: if he's learning, one can as well help a bit somtimes:)
01:52 PM IchGucksLive: now give it a run GBeard
01:52 PM LeelooMinai: GBeard: English is my second language also.
01:52 PM GBeard: its not a spelling competition so as long as we are understanding eachothers meaning it doesnt matter :)
01:53 PM IchGucksLive: Thanks
01:53 PM GBeard: another query i had was with regards to limit switches
01:54 PM GBeard: i have one on each end for each axis in parallel
01:54 PM GBeard: no so far as i understand it uses these as both limits and and home
01:54 PM LeelooMinai: Parallel - that's weird...
01:54 PM GBeard: they are always open switches
01:54 PM IchGucksLive: GBeard: NP
01:55 PM LeelooMinai: RIght, I would instead use always closed ones in series.
01:55 PM IchGucksLive: you can go for one pin in
01:55 PM IchGucksLive: ALL HOME and Limit switches
01:55 PM GBeard: yeah i should have used always closed
01:55 PM GBeard: but i have what i have
01:55 PM IchGucksLive: you need to SET HOME and Homeofset different
01:56 PM IchGucksLive: where Homeofset is the switch
01:56 PM IchGucksLive: that triggers the value to set
01:56 PM GBeard: yes one input is for each axis and is set to all limit +home
01:56 PM IchGucksLive: and HOE is the value the axis moves to at the end of the triggering sequence
01:57 PM LeelooMinai: GBeard: The reason is that always open switches when damaged will just show open.
01:57 PM LeelooMinai: Also, in series saves on cabling:) But that's just a side effect.
01:57 PM GBeard: when i open linuxcnc it throws up an error about the limit switch as the axis are resting on the switch by default
01:57 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: thats what pros use
01:57 PM IchGucksLive: GBeard: invert the signalö
01:57 PM LeelooMinai: GBeard: They are not microswitches? Most have both closed and open terminals.
01:57 PM GBeard: yeah leeloo as i said i shoulda woulda coulda. its done now and works in the same way really
01:58 PM IchGucksLive: GBeard: as you use Stepconf go for one at the time
01:58 PM IchGucksLive: Step by Step
01:58 PM IchGucksLive: IM off here Gn8
01:58 PM LeelooMinai: GBeard: As long as yuou know the differences, fine - just checking.
01:58 PM GBeard: thanks gucks
01:58 PM GBeard: good night
02:01 PM GBeard: yeah i get how they work leeloo. when i build the next/better version i will go allways closed series
02:01 PM GBeard: i realised i should have after the machine was 90% complete
02:01 PM GBeard: very interesting way of working this, building a machine before i know how to use it lol
02:02 PM LeelooMinai: GBeard: In the HAL file you can use logic operations on any signal and make a new signal based on it - so you can do "not" operation and others (and, or, etc.)
02:03 PM LeelooMinai: Also, I think each signal has two versions anyways, so you can use inverted version directly.
02:03 PM LeelooMinai: Or rather pin.
02:03 PM GBeard: the problem is since i only have a single imput for both limit switches and home, i have no way of telling the machine which is which
02:04 PM LeelooMinai: GBeard: You can just make signals from the pin and use those.
02:04 PM GBeard: is there not some kind of calibration i can use so it goes to each limit and then understands its operating area?
02:06 PM LeelooMinai: Don't know. When I was doing it, I just read the documentation, and did it by hand. I remember there was one trap that confused me: took me a while to realize that HOME_OFFSET has a misleading name.
02:07 PM GBeard: im currently using stepconf
02:07 PM GBeard: i have home location
02:07 PM GBeard: table travel
02:07 PM GBeard: home switch location
02:08 PM LeelooMinai: It is in fact the distance on the axis from the home origin to the place where the limit switch trips.
02:08 PM GBeard: search velocity and latch diremnsion
02:08 PM GBeard: which is one in the same at one end of the axis right?
02:08 PM LeelooMinai: A, right, stepconf. It has bugs in the past. Presumably now it works better.
02:09 PM LeelooMinai: GBeard: Hm?
02:09 PM LeelooMinai: "one in the same"?
02:09 PM GBeard: well as i say i have a switch at each end of the axis
02:09 PM LeelooMinai: GBeard: I cannot parse that sentence - it was weird:)
02:09 PM GBeard: one of them will also have to be the home switch also
02:10 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, if you have only one switch per axis end, yes.
02:10 PM GBeard: 2 switches
02:10 PM GBeard: one on either end
02:10 PM GBeard: but they are both wired to the limit input for that axis
02:10 PM LeelooMinai: Right, so one per axis end:)
02:10 PM GBeard: yes
02:10 PM GBeard: so one of these has to function as the home switch also
02:11 PM LeelooMinai: Right, in this case you pretty much have no choice but to use end limit switches for homing.
02:11 PM GBeard: yes
02:11 PM GBeard: problem is since it is resting on a limit switch by default linuxcnc throws up an error regarding the fact that the limit is triggered and wont turn on
02:11 PM LeelooMinai: They can still be indistingushible though - linuxcnc will know which is tripped judging from the direction of movement.
02:12 PM GBeard: thats what i thought
02:12 PM GBeard: except when it first is loaded as it doesnt know how to distinguise between the two
02:13 PM GBeard: when its started since both switches are wired together it doesnt know which way it can move
02:13 PM LeelooMinai: GBeard: Well, but when it starts, is the axis on the end somehow and the switch is on?
02:14 PM GBeard: yes
02:14 PM LeelooMinai: If so, you need to manually disable limit checking and move the axis a bit.
02:14 PM LeelooMinai: SO the switch releases.
02:14 PM GBeard: ok how do i disable that?
02:14 PM LeelooMinai: I think it's under F3 tab - there's a checkbox there for that.
02:15 PM GBeard: all those buttons are diabled
02:15 PM GBeard: joint 0 on limit switch error
02:16 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, you need to put the machine to stop first.
02:16 PM LeelooMinai: GBeard: http://i.imgur.com/RIa8nHj.png
02:17 PM GBeard: yeah i get that
02:17 PM LeelooMinai: You will get one movement by hand there - so move with keyboard until the switch releases.
02:18 PM GBeard: ok ive moved them off the switches. then i home all but the z axis doesnt stop at home and keeps grinding :(
02:19 PM GBeard: switch must not be working
02:19 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, well, first step should be verifying all the switches work as expected - by looking at their values in the pin/signal monitor.
02:19 PM GBeard: yep. maybe a bad wire
02:19 PM LeelooMinai: You can press them by hand and see if linuxcnc sees that.
02:20 PM GBeard: where can i find the pin/signal monitor
02:21 PM LeelooMinai: There are few things you can use for that. Configuration viewer, I think some monitor, oscilloscpe even, and also you can have them shown in GUI, but that requires some customizations.
02:21 PM LeelooMinai: GBeard: Just a sec, trying to remember where the hell is my linuxcnc on the network:)
02:22 PM LeelooMinai: And what I was using even to get at the remote desktop...
02:24 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, fail. Anyways - there's a menu item called Configuration-something: can you see it?
02:24 PM Crom: LeelooMinai: heh.. been there...
02:24 PM GBeard: yeah ive found it
02:25 PM GBeard: hal configurater
02:25 PM LeelooMinai: Show HAL COnfiguration - you can click on signals there you want to see in real time I think
02:25 PM GBeard: i have to fix a switch before anything else. youve give me a fair bit to chew on so ill go for now and see where i get
02:25 PM GBeard: thanks for the imput guys
02:25 PM LeelooMinai: There's also HAL Meter - this will open a small windows for some pin/signal with value. You can open many of them.
02:25 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, np
02:26 PM GBeard: back soon. laters guys and thanks again
02:46 PM Crom: nice 34C today
02:46 PM LeelooMinai: Sad. My sister calling from Home Depot about a nails I wanted. I ask how big is the head in mm and she sais "I don't know hob big is mm" :(
02:47 PM LeelooMinai: how big*
02:47 PM LeelooMinai: And she was born in metric country,. like me.
02:50 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I see Tesla is rolling out some Model 3 this week, which is $35k. Not into cars, but CNN article suggests that many people waited for it, and it's the most affordable electric car or something like that...
02:50 PM LeelooMinai: "electric car for the masses"
02:50 PM sync: yeah, it is pretty cheap
02:51 PM LeelooMinai: lol, the inside has what seems like a floating big tablet instead of a dashboard
02:51 PM sync: you must have seen the inside of a tesla before
02:51 PM jym: electric car? Not a hybrid?
02:51 PM sync: they all are like that
02:52 PM LeelooMinai: I mean that's pretty weird: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0196/5170/files/screen-shot-2016-03-31-at-11-55-44-pm_grande.jpg?v=1475254772
02:52 PM LeelooMinai: sync: I see an inside of a normal car like few times a year, so yes, not really up do date:)
02:53 PM sync: they have been all over the interwebs
02:53 PM jym: LeelooMinai: Not really. Most dashboards these days are LCD's, they just went the cheaper router and made it rectangular rather than some funky dashboard shaped thing.
02:56 PM sync: the dashboards are also just flat
02:56 PM sync: driven by tegras
02:57 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, ok, I guess I became a hobbit with view of the cars from 90s in my head:)
02:57 PM jym: I think they had to get DOT approval too.
02:58 PM LeelooMinai: Which is what?
02:58 PM jym: DOT = US Dept of Transportation, the agency that oversees safety on highways.
02:59 PM JT-Shop: I just ruined a tool holder and a fixture...
02:59 PM jym: JT-Shop: user error?
02:59 PM JT-Shop: yup
02:59 PM LeelooMinai: But... I would assume that by now the head of that agency is someone absurd, like say, a guy that is a CEO of biggest coffin manufacturing company:)
02:59 PM jym: JT-Shop: Better something you can replace online rather than the hospital.
03:00 PM LeelooMinai: JT-Shop: You don't have a laser-based crash-avoidance monitoring system on your machine?
03:01 PM jym: LeelooMinai: Nope, it's not DOT approved ;)
03:02 PM Crom: I did... But the lasers kept burning up all my wood and melting my stock...
03:02 PM LeelooMinai: I am trying to remember if JT-Shop is the chicken/farmer guy.
03:02 PM LeelooMinai: Or was it Crom?
03:02 PM jym: LeelooMinai: he is, and chicken whisperer too
03:03 PM Crom: jt
03:03 PM Crom: JT is
03:03 PM jym: Crom: Liar, that was the blowtorch connected to your mill, not a laser, mkay
03:04 PM LeelooMinai: For some reason seems there's a lot of farmers on robot wars. Last one I watched ended with the commentator saying something like "If you see a farmer in a field sucking on straws, he may be dreaming tacticks for Robot Wars" :)
03:05 PM jym: Crom: cnc wood burning is cool, but with great power comes great responsability
03:05 PM LeelooMinai: Imo JT-Shop instead of doing Arduino chicken cages, should build a robot:)
03:05 PM jym: a cicken robot?
03:05 PM jym: chicken*
03:06 PM LeelooMinai: jym: Too late - there has been one already...
03:06 PM LeelooMinai: Did not get too far though:)
03:06 PM jym: LeelooMinai: Maybe he can build a better one
03:06 PM LeelooMinai: From what I remember one of the house robots cut his head for lols.
03:07 PM JT-Shop: I'm impressed the 308 drove the ER11 tool holder right through 1/2" 6061 and didn't trip out the drive
03:07 PM LeelooMinai: I guess farmers may be not good at robotics per se, but they can weld, work with metal, hydraulics maybe, things like that - so it makes a bit sense that they can build some robot for cheap.
03:08 PM jym: JT-Shop: 1/2" 6061?! DAMN!
03:08 PM LeelooMinai: JT-Shop: Lies!
03:08 PM Roguish: well done!!!
03:08 PM LeelooMinai: JT-Shop: Picture or did not happen:)
03:08 PM jym: Shit, VIDEO or it didn't happen!
03:11 PM Crom: Video and a officer of the court witness!
03:14 PM JT-Shop: well crap I can't find the cad for the fixture
03:14 PM LeelooMinai: Spectroscopy printout of the table material analysis.
03:15 PM LeelooMinai: I would think that CNC machines with a lot of power have some simple monitoring for power used by drives with auto off when some threshold is exceeded.
03:16 PM LeelooMinai: Seems like a "no-brainer"
03:18 PM LeelooMinai: lol @ North Korea casually dropping an ICMB into Japan's sea
03:19 PM LeelooMinai: I guess they did not know that going "full retard" is seldom a good idea.
03:19 PM LeelooMinai: ICBM even
03:25 PM Loetmichel: LeelooMinai: most VFD do that
03:25 PM LeelooMinai: Loetmichel: Ok, but I mean drives for axis.
03:26 PM Loetmichel: they allow a certain overcurrent fir a certain time and when its either too much or too long they switch off and go into error mode
03:26 PM LeelooMinai: I mean if the axis slams into something, the steppers or servos will experience some very big power spike.
03:26 PM Loetmichel: a servo drive isnt that different from a VFD
03:26 PM Loetmichel: in that regard
03:27 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, and yet people keep having those crashes.
03:27 PM JT-Shop: collet didn't survive too much aluminum welded into the slots
03:28 PM LeelooMinai: It's now a permanent collet:)
03:29 PM Loetmichel: JT-Shop: throw it into a bucket with caustic soda
03:29 PM Loetmichel: preferably hot
03:29 PM Loetmichel: the aluminum will dissolve
03:29 PM Loetmichel: the steel or TC not
03:29 PM LeelooMinai: Just don't put the hand into that bucket...
03:29 PM Loetmichel: ahem... NaOH IS caustic soda, isnt it?
03:30 PM Loetmichel: good old drain cleaner will do, too
03:30 PM Loetmichel: the caustic one, not the "organic" one
03:30 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, it's lye aka "flesh eater" :)
03:31 PM Loetmichel: LeelooMinai: i know
03:31 PM Loetmichel: its not that bad though
03:31 PM LeelooMinai: I would rather buy new collet than having to deal with it in any way:p
03:31 PM Loetmichel: a few seconds dont do much, aside from perfectly clean hands even under the nails
03:31 PM LeelooMinai: lol
03:31 PM Loetmichel: wouldnt hold my hand in that stuff for longer periods though
03:32 PM Loetmichel: it changes any fat into soap
03:32 PM Loetmichel: hence the soapy feeel when you reach into it ;)
03:32 PM Loetmichel: and rinse thourugh afterwards
03:32 PM LeelooMinai: A little splash into eye and you will have a bad day too
03:32 PM Loetmichel: yes
03:33 PM Loetmichel: thats why you wear glasses with that stuff
03:33 PM Loetmichel: its nice for tools that have gummed up with aluminium though
03:33 PM Loetmichel: it doesent even have to be a strong solution
03:34 PM * JT-Shop looks to see if he has some caustic soda
03:34 PM Loetmichel: 4 tablespoons on half a liter water is plentiy
03:34 PM Loetmichel: JT-Shop: drain cleaner. the chemical stuff, not the "bio" one
03:35 PM Loetmichel: caution: when you pour the little pellets into water the water WILL get hot...
03:35 PM Loetmichel: so dont overdo it on the dosage!
03:36 PM sync: you can also use muriatic acid
03:36 PM Loetmichel: sync: muriatic acid will dissoplve the steel also
03:36 PM Loetmichel: not a good idea
03:36 PM sync: but far slower than aluminium
03:37 PM Loetmichel: a collet is a precision part... wouldnt want to have that surface roughened up by the acid
03:37 PM sync: it works fine tho
03:38 PM JT-Shop: Loetmichel: right I know what it is, but don't have any in my chemical area...
03:39 PM * JT-Shop thinks it's time to drink the last Weihenstephaner Original Premium
03:39 PM LeelooMinai: JT-Shop: I googled now and seems that Ferric Chloride willd o to - have some from etching pcbs maybe?
03:39 PM LeelooMinai: will do too*
03:40 PM Loetmichel: LeelooMinai: ferric chloride will copper plate all steel parts though
03:40 PM JT-Shop: never done pcbs
03:40 PM Loetmichel: if its used stuff ;)
03:40 PM Loetmichel: been there, tested that ;)
03:40 PM LeelooMinai: Thoguht same as HCl - it will also attack steel at slower rate.
03:40 PM JT-Shop: I must have used the last bit of caustic soda...
03:41 PM LeelooMinai: Or the OCD way - microscope + tiny scraper + a lot of time or a friend who is into cleaning fossils:)
03:41 PM JT-Shop: after close examination only the hold down part of the fixture is trashed, the base is still usable and ugly from a previous fuck up today
03:42 PM JT-Shop: I got all the alum out except the face which seems to be welded to the collet
03:43 PM LeelooMinai: Face probably is not important, so maybe just sandpaper it?
03:46 PM MrSunshine: hmm G64 is amazing ..tho i do not like that it doesnt descelerate one bit on 90 degree corners .. it seems atleast .. any good compromize for this? i got some shaking in the machine when it turns but i do not want it to totaly descelerate before it turns either :/
03:47 PM LeelooMinai: I read it as C64 for some reason and though "What, a commodore, in 2017?"
03:47 PM MrSunshine: hehe :P
03:47 PM MrSunshine: i guess lowering the allowed tollerance should make it slow down some more at corners ?
03:48 PM LeelooMinai: MrSunshine: Fusion360 solves this in CAM byu having adaptive strategy
03:48 PM Loetmichel: LeelooMinai: IIRC there once was a rudimentary "CNC" software for the C64... looooong ago
03:48 PM Loetmichel: wouldnt be surprised when a machine with a C64 in it surfaces sometime
03:49 PM MrSunshine: LeelooMinai: ok but some projects i use vectric aspire for cause its alot simpler to use =)
03:50 PM LeelooMinai: MrSunshine: F360 is not difficult to use - the plus is that it scales to any big project, so I would just use it for everything - at least that seems logical to me.
03:51 PM MrSunshine: LeelooMinai: i do alot in the 3d environment of aspire, sculpting etc .. and just to import some eps and apply toolpaths is quite fast and effective =)
03:51 PM LeelooMinai: MrSunshine: Well, sans maybe super-primitive things, like facing, holes, etc. but there's this NativeCAM now in linuxcnc, so you can do it directly.
03:52 PM LeelooMinai: MrSunshine: Right, not sure what that Aspire is.
03:53 PM LeelooMinai: MrSunshine: However, just saying: in F360 you can work at a face level too, so you can "sculpt".
03:53 PM MrSunshine: LeelooMinai: expensive like hell but quite fast and so to work with in some cases .. i do alot of work in fusion also and find fusions cam alot better but ... for small signs etc aspire is alot faster to use imo =)
03:53 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, ok, but cannot you just import it into F360 and apply adaptive CAM?
03:55 PM LeelooMinai: It can save a lot on broken endmills:)
03:59 PM Tom_itx: is F360 64bit only?
04:01 PM LeelooMinai: I forgot abotu 32-bit decades ago, so not sure:)
04:02 PM Tom_itx: hasn't been decades
04:03 PM LeelooMinai: Over a decade for me.
04:04 PM LeelooMinai: I read "not supported"
04:04 PM LeelooMinai: https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/fusion-360/learn-explore/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/System-requirements-for-Autodesk-Fusion-360.html
04:04 PM Kevin`: MrSunshine: jerk or accelleration limit setting
04:04 PM MrSunshine: Kevin`: ?
04:04 PM LeelooMinai: So, tough luck I guess. Still, not a good idea to CAD with ancient PC...
04:05 PM Kevin`: MrSunshine: for controlling shaking at corners
04:05 PM Tom_itx: i've got 32 and 64bit os, just wondered
04:05 PM MrSunshine: Kevin`: well do explain ? =)
04:06 PM Tom_itx: LeelooMinai, i've still got a DOS cad cam installed on one :D
04:06 PM LeelooMinai: Tom_itx: No comment:)
04:06 PM Tom_itx: i keep it because it allows me to translate files where some newer ones can't do it
04:10 PM Kevin`: MrSunshine: google is serving me terribly for some reason, I can't find the information I found before. accelleration is best set as a physical limitation of the axis, but can be lowered for smoother movement. jerk is the rate of change of accelleration and affects resonance of the entire machine
04:11 PM MrSunshine: Kevin`: seems that linuxcnc doesnt implement jerk control as far as i can find, sure i can lower the accelerations but that has huge impact on chipload etc during the routing process .. gonna try and lower G64 from 0.03 to like 0.01 to see if it slows down some more in the corners =)
04:13 PM Kevin`: I know there's a way to do it. if I find it later i'll try to remember to poke here
04:14 PM Deejay: gn8
04:21 PM MrSunshine: Kevin`: thanks =)
05:09 PM * JT-Shop preps the cannon...
05:11 PM * pcw_home covers ears
05:12 PM dioz: what's the fastest way to cut drywall would you say?
05:14 PM JT-Shop: should I point it west so you can hear it?
05:15 PM Roguish: JT-Shop: gettin' the roaster chicken ready for the rotisserie bbq
05:15 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: I know, but won't tell you, because you went "full retard" few times:)
05:15 PM * JT-Shop has ribs on the barbie smoking low and slow
05:18 PM LeelooMinai: Eh, ok, I am soft I guess. If it's on the floor, just score with a beak-shaped knife prefereably, and then it will break cleanly. If it's on the wall and you want to make a rectangular hole, use drywall hand saw - they look a biut like hole saws and good ones will go through drywall like it was made from foam.
05:19 PM LeelooMinai: Like this one: https://www.blackrocktools.com/milwaukee-rasping-jab-saw-48-22-0304.html
05:19 PM LeelooMinai: For circular small hole, a normal circular saw will do fine.
05:20 PM LeelooMinai: If you have a reciprocating saw, that will work too - a bit brutal though and risky if you hit something inside the wal.
05:21 PM andypugh: dioz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klk4zHv13-U
05:21 PM LeelooMinai: Low tech on the wall would be scoring a rectangle with exacto knife, then making an X with it from the corners and detaching from the middle. But the hand saw is faster than that.
05:22 PM andypugh: You just cut through one side of the paper with a utility knife then snap it, and cut the paper on the other side in the fold.
05:22 PM LeelooMinai: Right, that's scoring, just with a tool.
05:23 PM andypugh: Somewhere on that YouTube I saw a tool like that that scored both sides.
05:23 PM LeelooMinai: However, a beak-shaped knife and just something straight will work as well and be safe.
05:23 PM LeelooMinai: The crucial part beaing the knife shape - since you drag it without a possibility of cutting yourself.
05:23 PM LeelooMinai: being*
05:24 PM andypugh: Or you can try being competent with sharp tools :-)
05:24 PM LeelooMinai: No, with normal exacto knife it's inherently unsefe imo.
05:25 PM LeelooMinai: I haev this set. A lovely set it is: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/3d/46/ee/3d46ee953e7699b9cc6dc62426cce20e.jpg
05:25 PM LeelooMinai: Those two curved blades is what I would use.
05:26 PM dioz: andypugh: that's a wicked tool... but i should be more specific. i have to cut a ton of exhaust and return grills into boarded walls
05:26 PM LeelooMinai: Got the whole thing on sale for $20 or so.
05:26 PM dioz: i was thinking a die grinder with a drywall spin bit
05:27 PM dioz: cause i can set depth as not to hit cabling inside wall
05:27 PM dioz: but if anyone has another idea i'd be glad to hear it
05:27 PM LeelooMinai: lol...
05:27 PM dioz: currently i'm using the old hammer saw
05:27 PM LeelooMinai: Drywal saw will make a 1 minute work for each hole from it.
05:28 PM dioz: totally and you run the risk of nipping cables
05:28 PM dioz: i think a spin bit on a die grinder is besst
05:28 PM dioz: mark my hole, set the bit depth
05:28 PM dioz: let her buck
05:28 PM LeelooMinai: Cables run close to the studs. Before you start anything you have to locate them anyways.
05:28 PM dioz: HAH
05:28 PM dioz: yah cables don't always run close to studs
05:28 PM LeelooMinai: They should...
05:29 PM dioz: and when you build a stick (timber) building it SHOULD be square
05:29 PM dioz: but they never are
05:29 PM andypugh: This is the one I saw: http://www.edma.fr/en/solutions-de-coupe-des-plaques-de-platre/3348-plac-roll-150-mm-drywall-stripper-3476060006295.html
05:29 PM LeelooMinai: TO be safe, use one of those little mirrors on exopandable sticks. Cut small hole for them first, put them isnide with light and "look around".
05:30 PM andypugh: dioz: But for your job, how about a Rotozip?
05:30 PM LeelooMinai: Or if you like overkill, use a camera with flexible shaft - one of those inspection ones:)
05:30 PM Tom_itx: for cutting wall sockets out, they use a die grinder of sorts
05:30 PM andypugh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOV2dPYW6Z0
05:31 PM LeelooMinai: Right, if you do this for a living, buy specialized tools, but it will be a bit $$.
05:31 PM Tom_itx: he was asking the 'fastest' way not the cheapest
05:32 PM dioz: yah rotozip is what i'm doing
05:32 PM dioz: 18v bosch die grinder
05:32 PM dioz: with a drywall spin bit
05:32 PM dioz: just called up the supplier... he said thursday
05:33 PM dioz: right now i'm using a hammer saw and a sawzall
05:33 PM dioz: i mark the hole. punch a hole
05:33 PM dioz: stick my fingers in there and feel around for wires
05:33 PM dioz: then i sawzall it
05:33 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Lame... If you have a tool like that, what were you even asking for:p
05:33 PM Tom_itx: i score it with a blade and bend and cut the other side
05:33 PM dioz: if there's wires i have to use a keyhole saw
05:33 PM dioz: Tom_itx: yah if it's not on the wall i'd do the same
05:33 PM Tom_itx: for cutouts the grinder is easiest
05:34 PM dioz: but i need to cutout return and exhaust grills
05:34 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Just run your head through the wall:p
05:35 PM dioz: https://www.boschtools.com/us/en/boschtools-ocs/die-grinders-dgsh181-132565-p/
05:35 PM dioz: that badboy right there
05:35 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I have a die grinder, but for compressed air - never even used it so far.
05:36 PM dioz: we don't say "compressed air" we say "pneumatic" sir
05:36 PM LeelooMinai: Was in some bigger set of tools.
05:36 PM LeelooMinai: Pneumatic has completelly different meaning imo:)
05:36 PM dioz: just like we don't say centrifugal we say centripetal
05:37 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, but what is "we"...
05:37 PM JT-Shop: I'm the same dioz centripetal
05:37 PM dioz: ^
05:37 PM dioz: that guy
05:37 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: You realize that this is not even the same meaning there...?
05:38 PM LeelooMinai: In fact it's the opposite meaning.
05:38 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: i'm suggesting a lot of people miss-use the word
05:38 PM dioz: kind of like "compressed air" vs. "pneumatic"
05:38 PM LeelooMinai: A, ok, well, I see - fine then:p
05:39 PM dioz: i'd ask you to go get me a bottle of steam... but i don't think you'd come back. TBH ;]
05:40 PM dioz: i need some new wiss metal masters (green and reds) and i need some crimpers too
05:40 PM dioz: bent the piss out of my crimpers crimping spiral
05:40 PM dioz: too cheap to use couplers
05:40 PM dioz: HAH
05:40 PM dioz: no... just didn't order some and said fuck it and decided to crimp instead of couple to save time... wrecked my malco crimpers =[
05:41 PM dioz: $60 down the pisser
05:41 PM dioz: 1st day back on the tools after 2 and a half months off
05:41 PM dioz: god damn are my hands soft
05:41 PM dioz: i probably spent a good hour of the day bleeding
05:41 PM dioz: the little nicks bleed the most
05:43 PM JT-Shop: I'm on Coumadin tell me about bleeding lol
05:43 PM JT-Shop: I get within an inch of a sharp object and it looks like the Juila Childs skit on SNL lol
05:44 PM dioz: HAH
05:44 PM dioz: that's funny
05:44 PM dioz: have you ever seen the movie VHF with Weird Al ?
05:44 PM dioz: lemme grab the skit
05:45 PM dioz: it's total lulz
05:45 PM dioz: "boy is my face red"
05:45 PM JT-Shop: never seen it
05:45 PM dioz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK9ZFhPodZ8
05:45 PM dioz: check that out if you wanna lul
05:47 PM dioz: SPATULA CITY!
05:47 PM dioz: die grinder is $240 CAD
05:47 PM dioz: with the "l-box"
05:47 PM dioz: bare tool on amazon is the same price
05:48 PM dioz: at least i'm getting the l-box with it
05:48 PM dioz: i've been wondering if i could rig the plazma with a die grinder
05:48 PM JT-Shop: I'll have to look in the morning I'm on Obama's failed promised list and don't have high speed internet even though the cable is 1 mile away
05:48 PM dioz: remove the plazma head and find a way to rig a die grinder to it
05:49 PM JT-Shop: that might be cool
05:49 PM Tom_itx: go fire up the cannon and feel good about it :D
05:50 PM JT-Shop: 45 minutes Rickey will be by and we will fire off a few rounds :)
05:52 PM dioz: i wish i had friends
05:52 PM dioz: HAH
05:52 PM JT-Shop: I finished Rickey's cannon as he was stuck on the metal work (he's a wood worker by hobby)
05:53 PM * JT-Shop rolls the cannon out now
05:56 PM dioz: why do you have to brag so much huh?
05:57 PM dioz: i mean.. c'mon.
05:57 PM dioz: C'MON!$@%$#
05:57 PM dioz: keep going though
05:57 PM dioz: quality chats
05:58 PM JT-Shop: not intended to brag
06:13 PM Goodlord: linuxcnc v mach3?
06:13 PM Tom_itx: you really have to ask?
06:28 PM JT-Shop: lol
06:28 PM malcom2073: My dad is a linuxcnc guy cause of me , he started trying out mach so he could help someone local having issues with it.
06:29 PM malcom2073: His reaction are priceless
06:32 PM malcom2073: It's even better because he's a retired mech-e, and an old school self taught machinist
06:32 PM JT-Shop: did you video it?
06:33 PM malcom2073: I should have. Be rated R for language
06:34 PM Goodlord: yeah im no expert
06:35 PM JT-Shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JykOtmJynAI
06:35 PM Goodlord: im building a machine, havent even started with control software
06:35 PM Goodlord: come on, linuxcnc v mach 3, pros cons
06:35 PM Tom_itx: JT-Shop, is that current?
06:35 PM JT-Shop: today
06:36 PM malcom2073: Goodlord: mach has no pros. You should however ask that question on the cnczone forums
06:37 PM malcom2073: It's always fun when someone does
06:37 PM Goodlord: well doesnt seem to be any ongoing chat here so wont hurt for 2 minutes
06:38 PM Goodlord: linux is faster yes?
06:38 PM malcom2073: That reminds me, does mach3 work with parallel port on 7, or only xp?
06:38 PM malcom2073: Faster, as in more responsive?
06:38 PM Goodlord: yes
06:38 PM malcom2073: Or capable of higher step rates?
06:38 PM Goodlord: no response
06:38 PM Goodlord: less likely to crash?
06:39 PM malcom2073: I've never had linuxcnc crash, outside of bad configuration.
06:39 PM Tom_itx: i would say that most using linuxcnc are using mesa hardware shich will give you higher step rates for sure
06:47 PM dioz: JT-Shop: where in the fuck can you shoot a canon off NBD?
06:47 PM dioz: round these parts it would probably result in being arrested
06:57 PM JT-Shop: swamp east Missouri
06:58 PM JT-Shop: shooting is expected here
06:59 PM JT-Shop: NBD?
07:11 PM jym: JT-Shop: Is a canon defined as "fireworks" by the fire dept?
07:17 PM dioz: NBD = no big deal
07:18 PM dioz: JT-Shop: aaah you're a southern boy
07:18 PM dioz: you yanks and your guns ;]
08:23 PM Crom: Happy Brexit 1776
09:14 PM LeelooMinai: Jesus, I went for an hour trying to catch my cat, and in the meantime CNN reports that Trump got his picture from some racist bigit on reddit...
09:15 PM Crom: huh?
09:15 PM LeelooMinai: See their first page headline...
09:16 PM LeelooMinai: New frontiers of insanity has been broken - I cannot keep up any more:)
09:23 PM LeelooMinai: I had to jump over 3 neighbour faces to catch my cat:(
09:23 PM LeelooMinai: fences!
09:55 PM Crom: Poor kitty... At least ours don't climb the fence... last pair did and disapearred... Elvira and Floppette have been good so far
09:56 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I freaked out a bit, barely found her.
09:56 PM LeelooMinai: I need some kind of radio-based tracking system:)
10:30 PM dioz: shock collar
11:01 PM Crom: invisible fence... AKA perimeter shock collar
11:01 PM roycroft: my cats love to make an escape
11:01 PM roycroft: they get out to the back of the patio, all excited
11:01 PM roycroft: then they reach the grass
11:02 PM roycroft: and it freaks them out
11:02 PM Crom: back door is closed... kitties are inside tonight and tomorrow night
11:02 PM roycroft: and they don't go any farther
11:02 PM roycroft: mine will be crawling on the ceiling shortly
11:02 PM roycroft: it will be dark in about an hour
11:02 PM roycroft: and then it will be really noisy
11:16 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
11:27 PM CaptHindsight: how often do you clean out your chip pan? A) after every part B) Every day C) when you can longer see the top of the vice? D) when the pan can hold no more?
11:27 PM CaptHindsight: vice/vise
11:29 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, anyone here with English as the first language watched any of Lars Christiansen videos?
11:30 PM LeelooMinai: Some US guy complained that his accent makes them not undestandable, and I find it weird.
11:31 PM LeelooMinai: I don't think there was one word in them I did not get.
11:33 PM LeelooMinai: I wonder if it's not some native-US thing: they have actually less chance to understand foreigners speaking thatn foreigners from different countries themselves/
11:56 PM cradek: LeelooMinai: he sounds fine to me
11:57 PM LeelooMinai: cradek: And you are US?
11:58 PM cradek: LeelooMinai: yeah, midwestern US. he doesn't sound like he's from the US, but he is perfectly understandable to me
11:59 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, well, obviously he is from some north european/scandinavian country, with that name, but still, I find it clearer than some mumbling in movies, etc:)
11:59 PM cradek: I bet the more you hear different accents and dialects, the more understandable they become, and the more you're willing to work a bit to understand