#linuxcnc Logs

Jul 01 2017

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:05 AM roycroft: there are plenty of pantographs that do drag engraving, so that could be an option
12:08 AM XXCoder: but strong enough cutting strength?
12:08 AM roycroft: trophy shops have been engraving brass with pantographs for ages
12:08 AM roycroft: steel and bronze are a bit more work, sure
12:08 AM roycroft: but there's no reason a mechanism can't easily be made to handle those kinds of heavy cuts
12:08 AM XXCoder: cool hope you figure something out
12:09 AM roycroft: when the time comes, i'm sure i shall
12:09 AM Crom: I have 2 Lin Engineering NEMA17 4218 steppers with an encoder added to the back. it's a 6 lead board. +5,gnd.a.b.index. ?? trying to figure out what $6 could be
12:10 AM Crom: #6
12:10 AM XXCoder: dunno on #6, but #6 is easy, just send it to me
12:13 AM XXCoder: err $6
12:13 AM XXCoder: bah making same mistake as you ruined the joke
12:14 AM pink_vampire: someone can send me a pm for sec' i want to test something
12:14 AM roycroft: i just had some rainier cherries
12:14 AM Crom: psd4 optics assy 7677-01 rev A
12:14 AM roycroft: yum!
12:14 AM roycroft: first ones of the season from the northwet
12:14 AM roycroft: first ones of decent quality
12:15 AM roycroft: and first ones at a decent price
12:18 AM XXCoder: http://68.media.tumblr.com/f576a22ebcf21f3e0a5fd37987e35deb/tumblr_inline_ooojdifKCc1sppt0x_1280.png
12:18 AM XXCoder: insane design
12:24 AM XXCoder: "let's just talk normally and pretend a bed isn't there"
12:31 AM pink_vampire: OMFG!!! estimated time 7:25:10
12:31 AM XXCoder: what ya making
12:35 AM Crom: heh.. I had a 27 hour 3d prnit one time
12:43 AM LeelooMinai: Hope it was not a clock and you had to redo it:p
12:44 AM XXCoder: talking about clock
12:44 AM XXCoder: apparently theres special clock that slows down in lunch minutes
12:45 AM XXCoder: then speeds up till it gets back to right time
12:45 AM XXCoder: gave person additional 15 minutes break apparently
12:45 AM XXCoder: I wonder if that clock got anyone fired
12:51 AM XXCoder: https://github.com/KurtJacobson/LinuxCNC-Logos interesting
12:53 AM XXCoder: what the heck, who needs such bucket?? http://68.media.tumblr.com/6ffa02ba880ed323c75cd1220f9e9788/tumblr_inline_onyg3dJuWo1sppt0x_1280.png
12:54 AM XXCoder: 8basket'
12:54 AM XXCoder: *basket
01:01 AM LeelooMinai: Well, I am conflicted, because two days ago I had an idea that I need to make a basket for stuff that I carry from the kitchen to my room often when doing "eating sessions"...
01:01 AM LeelooMinai: ... so now I suspect that this basket there has more sense than one could guess initially:)
01:02 AM LeelooMinai: What if it is for an older person that needs to take a rest often and put it down without a risk of it toppling over?
01:06 AM LeelooMinai: I can imagine an older person living there and someone, say son or daughter, trying to make it comfortable and nice in an old style - in this context, those comments are kiund of lame...
01:49 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
01:49 AM XXCoder: hey
01:51 AM IchGucksLive: so suply HK will get more difficult
01:51 AM IchGucksLive: as CN did take over full
01:52 AM IchGucksLive: and no more special rights beond monday
01:52 AM IchGucksLive: maning adding 14days of shipment
01:53 AM IchGucksLive: and delivery to some parts unknown
01:54 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: did you kow why the ini mainchanges to 8.x has been nessasary
01:54 AM IchGucksLive: it confuses me like crazy
01:54 AM XXCoder: no I don't know
01:55 AM IchGucksLive: now joints and axis inside
01:55 AM IchGucksLive: the axis numbering is now to letter real axis info
01:55 AM IchGucksLive: and double entries needs to be made
01:55 AM XXCoder: changing ini standards should be rare
01:56 AM IchGucksLive: also to be aligned joint and axis
01:56 AM XXCoder: martin, firmware for 3d printers keep chanhing the configuration ini standards and it's annoying
01:57 AM IchGucksLive: yea agree on that
01:57 AM IchGucksLive: burt as we are the side edge of the cnc community as we see on people that comming here
01:57 AM IchGucksLive: it may be ok
01:58 AM IchGucksLive: the main line isent Lcnc
01:58 AM IchGucksLive: looking on dxf2gcode dowwnloads per day there must been more users out there
01:59 AM IchGucksLive: as 3D people dont use this item
01:59 AM IchGucksLive: only 2.5 people
02:00 AM IchGucksLive: ok im off going to start field work today til the rain spreds in
02:00 AM IchGucksLive: till later
02:24 AM Deejay: moin
03:12 AM jesseg_ is now known as jesseg
05:00 AM jthornton: morning
05:00 AM XXCoder: yo
05:02 AM jthornton: what's up this morning
05:03 AM archivist: idiots who cannot spell on ebay :)
05:04 AM jthornton: that covers a lot of ebay
05:04 AM archivist: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renshaw-measuring-prob-head-PH10T-CMM-Machine-with-case-serial-U15618/122573627039
05:09 AM archivist: now the hard part, driving it
05:12 AM jthornton: hmm installed Debian 9.1 and no menus show up...
05:13 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y4pwcFyLOE
05:13 AM jthornton: the only sensible numbering system for OS is what Ubuntu uses the year and all those silly names...
05:14 AM XXCoder: pretty amazing. too bad caps is expensive
05:15 AM jthornton: are they special caps?
05:16 AM XXCoder: big caps
05:16 AM XXCoder: I think 8 of em, $40 each? been a while since I saw his last version
05:17 AM jthornton: a lot cheaper to just buy a jumper battery
05:17 AM XXCoder: yeah
05:17 AM XXCoder: though this always works
05:18 AM XXCoder: even icy weather, tapped out battery. everything.
05:18 AM XXCoder: ah 6 caps not 8
05:19 AM XXCoder: or maybe 12 lol
05:20 AM jthornton: http://cdn-4.olive-drab.com/images/mep_models_hand_375.jpg
05:23 AM jthornton: https://www.amazon.com/Eton-BoostTurbine-2000mAh-Portable-NBOTU2000B/dp/B009OYSMDA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1498902670&sr=8-3&keywords=hand+crank+generator
05:24 AM jthornton: https://www.amazon.com/Generator-Emergency-Portable-Lightweight-Polycarbonate/dp/B00EZS8VQS/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1498902670&sr=8-4&keywords=hand+crank+generator
05:25 AM jthornton: if your a prepper you already have all that stuff lol
05:28 AM XXCoder: looks like 12
05:28 AM XXCoder: expensive,
05:28 AM XXCoder: nah not a prepper
05:28 AM XXCoder: if shit goes down I'm likely dead
05:29 AM XXCoder: caps isnt too expensive lol $12 each or so
05:30 AM jthornton: I need to get my generator hooked back up, disconnected it to build the firewood rack and never hooked it back up
05:31 AM archivist: I am in the middle of restoring the control panel on mine
05:31 AM jthornton: how's that coming along?
05:31 AM archivist: slowly :)
05:32 AM archivist: need to find plastic for the displays to keep them dry
05:33 AM jthornton: I have a little frequency display I need to mount in my panel
05:34 AM archivist: I got three 240 volt, a frequency and a 440 volt, milled an ally panel for them
05:35 AM XXCoder: damn that sueprcap video made me dizzy pretty badly
05:35 AM XXCoder: I HATE youtube "video aut-vomitor"
05:35 AM XXCoder: *auto
05:35 AM archivist: have cut out the old meters and the main panel ready
05:36 AM archivist: only just have space http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=morrison+PD
05:39 AM archivist: jthornton, beware the crappy frequency meters, the one I got is adjustable, not a real counter type
05:39 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj1gir4tJbU pretty cool
05:39 AM XXCoder: make tool with hot glue machine'
05:40 AM jthornton: The one I got seems to be accurate it is a rather small digital unit
05:46 AM evil_dan2wik is now known as dan2wik
06:43 AM * jthornton learns how to program an esp8266 interrupt timer :)
06:44 AM XXCoder: awesome
06:46 AM phipli: morning
06:46 AM jthornton: morning
06:47 AM XXCoder: morning
06:47 AM phipli: I'd better keep an eye on one of the birds - her tail is turned down a bit
06:48 AM phipli: and she was hunched on a perch
06:48 AM jthornton: what does that mean?
06:48 AM phipli: means she feels poorly
06:48 AM jthornton: can't poop?
06:48 AM phipli: tail is a flag for how happy they are :)
06:48 AM phipli: she doesn't look too bad otherwise and went straight for the treats I offered her
06:48 AM jthornton: ah I'll look at that when I take the captured cricket out to them
06:49 AM phipli: you don't see it very often - but it is the first warning that something /might/ be wrong
06:49 AM jthornton: I'm just learning about the esp8266 os_timer
06:50 AM phipli: someone elses chicken : http://i0.wp.com/www.thecapecoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/IMG_1792.jpg
06:50 AM XXCoder: phipli: my neice had one chicken with darker back, as it turns out chicken was rotting inside out
06:50 AM XXCoder: wow
06:50 AM phipli: that do that when they feel bad
06:51 AM phipli: mine isn't that far :) but it is in "I don't feel perfect this morning" mode
06:51 AM phipli: might have just struggled to get an egg out or something
06:51 AM * jthornton can't wait for the first egg
06:52 AM jthornton: what is extern "C" {#include "user_interface.h"}
06:53 AM archivist: use an external library
06:54 AM phipli: jthornton: I'll check which command I needed it for... if I can remember
06:54 AM archivist: where user_interface.h contains the names and variables from that library
06:54 AM jthornton: question was poorly prepared I was wondering what user_interface.h was :)
06:54 AM phipli: ah - how helpful, I commented
06:54 AM phipli: it is used by my interrupt code (as you saw)
06:55 AM jthornton: I see it in the example http://www.switchdoc.com/2015/10/iot-esp8266-timer-tutorial-arduino-ide/ as well
06:55 AM phipli: https://github.com/esp8266/Arduino/blob/master/tools/sdk/include/user_interface.h
06:56 AM jthornton: lol I was just looking at that page...
06:58 AM phipli: I can't find what I used from it...
06:59 AM phipli: there are lots of structures
06:59 AM jthornton: I just figured out by brute force that os_timer is from that library
06:59 AM phipli: removed it and saw what threw an error?
06:59 AM jthornton: yup
06:59 AM phipli: :)
06:59 AM phipli: good to know
07:01 AM phipli: jthornton: how many of yours are hens?
07:01 AM jthornton: 5 hens 1 rooster
07:02 AM phipli: :)
07:02 AM phipli: you'll have plenty of eggs then
07:02 AM phipli: even with only two atm (but good layers) we still sometimes give eggs away
07:03 AM jthornton: yea more than I can eat for sure so friends will be happy too
07:03 AM XXCoder: you can make hell of a high quality soil with eggs I would think if cant get rid of em
07:03 AM jthornton: our riding buddy that got a liver transplant already has his order in for some
07:04 AM jthornton: around here it's no problem giving away eggs to country folks
07:04 AM phipli: no different in town - people line up for them
07:04 AM phipli: I've handed out 30 eggs in a few minutes before now
07:05 AM phipli: there is someone else with more hens at work that sells eggs
07:05 AM phipli: but they have something like 30 birds
07:05 AM XXCoder: theres one at work lol
07:05 AM XXCoder: though havent tried again for while no
07:06 AM phipli: a hen at work?
07:06 AM jthornton: my neighbor sells eggs and she has so many chickens she can't count them
07:06 AM phipli: do they get much done without opposable thumbs?
07:06 AM XXCoder: lol no, coworker selling eggs
07:07 AM XXCoder: jthornton: so many cant take good care?
07:07 AM XXCoder: there is such thing as animal hoarder
07:07 AM phipli: XXCoder: they mostly look after themselves
07:08 AM XXCoder: sure what I mean if problems come up
07:08 AM jthornton: no, she takes good care of her animals
07:08 AM phipli: the more room you have the happier they are is the only thing
07:08 AM XXCoder: thats good
07:08 AM jthornton: hers free range
07:08 AM XXCoder: I'm aware that we humans need to eat meat sometimes and such, and are fine with that
07:08 AM jthornton: yea I need to make a bigger yard for them
07:08 AM XXCoder: but uneeded cruelity is just no
07:08 AM phipli: XXCoder: we've had more health issues with our current, very carefully looked after ones, than the ones we had that were just left to themselves mostly when I was a kid...
07:08 AM phipli: other than foxes.
07:09 AM phipli: XXCoder: I find it weird how everyone spends their whole time making jokes about me eating our pets
07:10 AM phipli: because they're not even meat chickens, let alone bread for meat
07:10 AM phipli: gets wearing over time
07:10 AM XXCoder: one thing making me bit concerned is that chickens seem to start having problems breeding because grew so fast
07:10 AM XXCoder: but then there is many breeds
07:11 AM phipli: that would be meat chickens
07:11 AM phipli: ours main issue is how quickly they lay eggs
07:11 AM phipli: we've got... less intense layers for our new chickens
07:11 AM phipli: meat chickens are killed at something like 16 weeks
07:11 AM phipli: really young
07:12 AM phipli: weird thought
07:12 AM phipli: if our birds were at an egg farm they'd have got rid of them already
07:12 AM phipli: they're two years old
07:12 AM phipli: even though the birds can live ~10 years
07:12 AM phipli: bit more for some breeds - but not ours
07:12 AM XXCoder: some of dog breeds is dying also due to over-breeding (not too many childrens but breed selection)
07:13 AM XXCoder: so more and more health flaws
07:13 AM phipli: dogs are quite bad for that because they're driven by fashion - at least a lot of chickens are still breed for strength
07:14 AM phipli: When I have more room (next house) I'm going to get one of these : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexter_cattle
07:14 AM phipli: Objective : supply all dairy requirements for my workmates
07:15 AM XXCoder: fancy
07:15 AM XXCoder: hopefully pasturized
07:15 AM phipli: meh
07:16 AM jthornton: interesting cow
07:16 AM phipli: useful beast those
07:16 AM phipli: meat + ox + milk
07:16 AM phipli: and quite small
07:16 AM phipli: good for smallholdings
07:28 AM jthornton: the previous owners of my property used to keep goats here, the only building was a small pole barn
07:31 AM XXCoder: goats is quite good on getting rid of too much plant
07:32 AM XXCoder: off to collect Zs I go
07:33 AM hazzy: morning
07:34 AM jthornton: goodnight
07:34 AM phipli: morning
07:34 AM phipli: night jthornton
07:34 AM jthornton: not me XXCoder
07:34 AM phipli: was confused
07:35 AM phipli: isn't it like... 8am?
07:35 AM phipli: for you?
07:35 AM XXCoder: 5 am now. little late even for me
07:35 AM XXCoder: going ogg
07:35 AM phipli: Where is / are you XXCoder ?
07:35 AM jthornton: 7am for me
07:37 AM phipli: ah, west coast USA
07:37 AM phipli: I forget how wide your country is
07:37 AM jthornton: it's Texas that makes it wide lol
07:38 AM phipli: at work most of the people we deal with over the pond are east coast of USA / Canada
07:38 AM phipli: so I automatically assume 5hours
07:39 AM phipli: Talking of Texas - new series of Preacher on Amazon Prime
07:39 AM jthornton: so starting from scratch I have a 1 minute timer and connected to wifi and have udc making progress
07:39 AM phipli: enjoyed the last one
07:39 AM archivist: and then XXCoder works silly hours so is up late
07:39 AM phipli: he isn't the only one archivist
07:40 AM phipli: got an email from my brother at 12:30 last night...
07:40 AM phipli: saying "I'm off to bed. Been up for two days supplying the CNC with aluminium"
07:40 AM archivist: I am up an around early like jt is these days
07:40 AM phipli: he is self employed and... works hard
07:41 AM jthornton: yea I'm up 4-5am but by 9pm I'm out
07:41 AM phipli: I get up when the chickens call me at the weekend
07:41 AM phipli: week days I get up 7:30ish
07:41 AM phipli: so I'm the lazy one around here :)
07:42 AM phipli: (chicken time = any time between 6:30 and 9am)
07:42 AM phipli: depends on how sunny it is
07:42 AM archivist: steaming tomorrow
07:42 AM jthornton: mine were out the door at 5:20
07:42 AM jthornton: the big steam lift pump?
07:42 AM archivist: and in the fox by 5:45
07:42 AM archivist: yes
07:43 AM phipli: archivist: is the fox a pub?
07:43 AM phipli: bit early...
07:43 AM archivist: not been in a pub for years
07:44 AM phipli: Don't drink, or better things to do?
07:45 AM archivist: stopped drinking due to other things to do, never restarted
08:05 AM phipli: sensible really
12:17 PM IchGucksLive: hi from Germany
12:17 PM phipli: Afternoon IchGucksLive. How goes?
12:17 PM phipli: Hum - IchGucksLive : what do you use for PCB layout?
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: eagle
12:18 PM phipli: nods
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: just coming from downstairs last mill
12:18 PM phipli: the full version that doesn't have the board size limit?
12:18 PM IchGucksLive: no i fo little odd things
12:18 PM phipli: Same so far
12:19 PM phipli: I bought lots of single sided 70mm by ~50mm boards
12:19 PM phipli: which fit in the free eagle area
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: about 95% does fit the 80x100
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: if not i like to split
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: in board and interface
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: so i can use the board for somthing othere
12:20 PM phipli: so you do a power board etc.
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: then i like to get pinterminals to a arduino for example
12:21 PM phipli: sensible
12:22 PM phipli: I socket pro minis and pro micros into my boards
12:22 PM phipli: if I don't just use an 8mhz internal clock ATMega328
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: let me give you a image how it looks infront of the keyboard
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: phipli: http://pasteall.org/pic/index.php?id=116872
12:25 PM IchGucksLive: rightside the controller board
12:25 PM IchGucksLive: and the 3number uge blending 7seg
12:26 PM phipli: What cutter do you use - I've had good luck with the 20 degree engraving tools
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: on the 1.27 routing i use 0,6mm bit
12:27 PM phipli: http://elephantandchicken.co.uk/projects/LEDboard0.jpg
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: fine work
12:27 PM phipli: That is a SOIC8 in the middle
12:27 PM phipli: for an ATTiny85
12:28 PM phipli: The holes were a bit too big in the usb port pads
12:28 PM phipli: but yeah, those tools work well
12:29 PM phipli: I think the tip on those tools is 0.2mm if I remember, but you get a different size cut depending on how deep you cut
12:30 PM phipli: this sort of thing : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Carbide-Engraving-Bits-Router-0-2mm/dp/B00BVHE51G/
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: as i said nice cut
12:31 PM IchGucksLive: all shiny by the rpm
12:32 PM phipli: few months since I've made a board
12:32 PM phipli: hopefully I can get it set up right :)
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: yeah this is the faulty thing
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: if you missed somthing
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: like today i missed the inverter to the udn didi multiplex
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: and struggle now on the placement
12:40 PM phipli: I'm building a board to connect to a TMI638 board
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: i also did a nice sign today with a 2.4mm bit http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/fit_k.jpg
12:41 PM phipli: https://rydepier.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/img_2160-0.png
12:41 PM phipli: That's really nice IchGucksLive
12:42 PM phipli: how long did it take to cut?
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: phipli: go for the MAX 7219 it makes it so easy to get the 8 digit
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: using 3 ports
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: the cut took about 2hr
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: first a 6mm bit
12:43 PM phipli: IchGucksLive: TMI638 gives inputs as well as outputs
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: it is to tiny for me
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: i need to see it at bright sunnlight at 20feet distance
12:44 PM * phipli nods
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: i woudt like to get a BUS number sign with flipdot
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: but they are very rare
12:45 PM phipli: If I ever see a de-commissioned railway electronic sign I'll tell you
12:45 PM phipli: well, I know where there is a giant clock...
12:45 PM phipli: but the owners like it where it is :)
12:45 PM phipli: http://www.beervisits.eu/images/pub_visit_uk/Derby/Alexandra_3.jpg
12:45 PM phipli: that is in a pub in my town
12:46 PM phipli: it is about 500mm tall
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: https://www.sparkfun.com/images/tutorials/Clock/SFE-Wall-Clock-35.jpg
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: the coolest ive seen
12:46 PM phipli: hehe
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: the harvest driver woudt kill me if i build something that big
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: i go for 120mm and 25000mcd
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: the 7219 gives me a dimmer
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: si i can use it day and night
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: with BT hc05 it is wirerless
12:49 PM IchGucksLive: and a 2euro arduino
12:49 PM IchGucksLive: uln udn 24 volt power controll
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: it is always good to have a largere area free to put some missing parts
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: if you are not a pro
12:53 PM phipli: Yes - sometimes I put header pin pads on unused pins
12:53 PM phipli: so if I forget something, or need something extra, I can add it without having to solder to pins
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: im off BYE
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8 from germany
01:11 PM * phipli waves
02:21 PM Crom: Bit bummed... Finally figured out I'm 1/8 scottish, 1/8 Spanish, 1/4 German, and 1/2 English.
02:22 PM phipli: Well travelled
02:22 PM LeelooMinai: Crom: We are 99% apes, so - who cares imo:p
02:22 PM Deejay: hehe
02:23 PM phipli: I failed : I need one wire, couldn't make a perfect one sided board
02:23 PM phipli: :'(
02:24 PM Crom: At least my kids are 1/32 Native American
02:25 PM Crom: Osage Tribe Kansas/Missouri
02:25 PM phipli: http://elephantandchicken.co.uk/projects/Board1.png
02:26 PM Deejay: add a 0-ohms-resistor and use it as a bridge
02:27 PM phipli: It is all through hole, so a wire will do fine
02:27 PM phipli: just... I was so close
02:27 PM Deejay: hehe
02:28 PM Crom: Just us a jumper for that one lead
02:28 PM phipli: yeah
02:28 PM Crom: heh
02:28 PM phipli: there isn't anything in the way
02:29 PM sync: you could also snake it under the buzzer as well
02:29 PM Crom: you could have done it. it would be tight though
02:30 PM sync: not really
02:30 PM sync: pretty low density there
02:31 PM Crom: That trace over the J3 could have been quite a bit shorter
02:31 PM phipli: Don't think I can get to it through the buzzer
02:31 PM LeelooMinai: phipli: How are you going to make those traces? Glue them to a board? :)
02:32 PM phipli: Crom: yeah - I'll tweak that
02:32 PM Crom: under the resistors, between 2 pins on the arduino to the pad
02:32 PM phipli: LeelooMinai: with a pencil
02:32 PM phipli: graphite conducts
02:32 PM evil_dan2wik is now known as dan2wik
02:32 PM LeelooMinai: phipli: Right....
02:33 PM phipli: Crom: I'd struggle to get a trace between the pins - CNCing
02:33 PM phipli: LeelooMinai: I'm bolting it to the back of a 3x2 inch board... I have loads of room
02:33 PM Crom: r3 lead offset could be a bit longer to give a bit more room
02:34 PM LeelooMinai: phipli: Can I criticize your board? :p
02:34 PM Crom: nest the offsets for r1,2,3 you'd have room there
02:35 PM sync: phipli: the space is huge
02:35 PM LeelooMinai: phipli: Constructivelly that is:)
02:36 PM phipli: LeelooMinai: only if it makes it better, and doesn't impact how easy it is to make and how fit for purpose it is :p
02:36 PM LeelooMinai: phipli: Ok, no trolling. But this will be CNCed?
02:36 PM Crom: move J3 a bit route pin j3-4 around the end of j3-5 and you have room for j3-5 to not go under the arduino
02:37 PM phipli: LeelooMinai: yeah
02:37 PM LeelooMinai: phipli: I need to know the way it will be made, because I am only 70% sure that you were not serious with the pencil:)
02:37 PM phipli: lol
02:38 PM Crom: LOL
02:38 PM phipli: LeelooMinai: You can do things with pencil - good for teaching kids
02:40 PM LeelooMinai: phipli: Ok, so the advice: 1) Use trace width differentioation 1a) Use ground plane 3) you will cry when soldering those pads - they will fall off - use oversized pads everywhere, tear drops if your software supports it (drop Egale in general imo:)
02:40 PM LeelooMinai: With traces like it you will delaminate them probably.
02:40 PM LeelooMinai: When soldering that is.
02:41 PM phipli: LeelooMinai: I post process it for oversized pads
02:41 PM LeelooMinai: How about fills/planes - I mean if this will be CNed/spearation routed, you want minimal copper removal anyways.
02:42 PM phipli: you can do a plane in eagle
02:43 PM phipli: not hugely familiar with the program though
02:43 PM LeelooMinai: Also, I know this is a simple board, but why are all traces same... I mean color even and width...
02:44 PM phipli: colour because they're on the same layer and I didn't even consider changing them...
02:44 PM phipli: width because I was concentrating on routing... and need the board to be bigger than it needs to be so didn't have space issues
02:45 PM LeelooMinai: phipli: Imo you should have some consistent colour for GND and power rails at least.
02:46 PM LeelooMinai: Say, green for ground. This will help with "visual comprehension" when routing/planning.
02:47 PM LeelooMinai: Here's an example, one of my boards: http://i.imgur.com/zmugmK5.png
02:47 PM LeelooMinai: If it was all one color, it would be unreadable.
02:47 PM LeelooMinai: But this way I can see imediatelly where is the ground snd power rails.
02:50 PM LeelooMinai: Well, anyways - I guess my point is that when you route, try to take into consideration what the trace is for (differentiate thickness, use planes, proper spearation,)
02:52 PM phipli: Thanks LeelooMinai appreciated - it is all new to me
02:52 PM Crom: -1
02:53 PM LeelooMinai: Holy crap, I need to make cappucino, I just read "Heart transplant survivor dies just a few hours after giving birth" as "Heir transplant survivor dies just a few hours after giving birth" and took me a minute to figure out why it sounded strange.
02:53 PM LeelooMinai: Hair*
02:55 PM Crom: http://picpaste.com/Board1-1-CAibnIa1.png
02:55 PM Deejay: hrhr
02:58 PM LeelooMinai: Crom: You amateur... http://i.imgur.com/7fhMfE4.png
02:59 PM Crom: I don't have inkscape on this computer or eagle
02:59 PM phipli: excellent Crom :)
02:59 PM LeelooMinai: Eagle is a fail to be honest - dead end.
03:00 PM phipli: It is also free for small boards and works on linux
03:00 PM phipli: good start
03:01 PM LeelooMinai: phipli: I disagree. Imo target something sustainable from the beginning. With Linux, well, that's a problem in itself I guess... But as I hate to say it, you would be probablly better of with KiCAD contraption.
03:02 PM Crom: LeelooMinai: how old are you?
03:02 PM LeelooMinai: Crom: 7, why? :)
03:02 PM phipli: we should have stuck with the pencils
03:02 PM Crom: I'm 52... I don't need to learn yet another cad program... good enough programs are great.
03:03 PM LeelooMinai: Crom: Wish things worked that way in electronics:)
03:04 PM Crom: heh.. My Wife is in the Kitchen choreographing a dance for 'Mid Summer's night dream'
03:04 PM LeelooMinai: Crom: You must have a big kitchen...
03:04 PM phipli: or a small wife
03:05 PM Crom: biggest open space on the floor in the house.
03:05 PM Crom: it's a big kitchen for the house
03:06 PM LeelooMinai: Crom: I would take all sharp objects from there in case she slips:)
03:06 PM Crom: no island so it's 10'x14' rectangle of open floor
03:07 PM LeelooMinai: Not sure why a kitchen needs to be that big, but, ok:)
03:08 PM LeelooMinai: Crom: You are in Australia or was it someone else?
03:08 PM Crom: So we have a space to do paper mache, lay out patterns, put together Ikea stuff, and cook
03:09 PM Crom: I'm in Southern California aka Peoples Republic of Kalifornistani
03:10 PM Jymmm: Crom: Riverside still?
03:10 PM LeelooMinai: A, ok, sadly by this point I know which states are read and which blue in USA.
03:10 PM Crom: biggest open space of floor in the rest of the house is about 3'x12' in the middle of the traffic pattern
03:10 PM LeelooMinai: red*
03:10 PM Crom: Temecula, Southwest Corner of Riverside county
03:11 PM Jymmm: Crom: You poor bastard! Hotter than FSCK!
03:11 PM Crom: 78.8 right now with a lovely bereze... Marine Layer :))
03:12 PM Jymmm: Marine?! From where? The closest thng is Santa Ana's
03:12 PM LeelooMinai: And earthquakes and other potential disasters:)
03:12 PM * Jymmm tosses LeelooMinai into a shake machine for 10 minutes!
03:13 PM Crom: We have no A/C in the house... The Marine layer comes up the valley through Camp Pendelton and through the valley with highway 76 then up through fallbrook and rainbow
03:13 PM LeelooMinai: I think there's a continental plate edge somewhere close and not 100% sure, but probably some monstrous vulcano undearneath, so... glad I am where I am:)
03:14 PM LeelooMinai: Also, Godzilla enters from that way.
03:14 PM Crom: LeelooMinai: yep... I'm about 30 miles from Julian, San Diego County, Earthquake capital of the world. Pretty much daily <2.0 quakes... never feel them
03:14 PM XXCoder: ... to help build stuff
03:14 PM Jymmm: Godzilla is a badass! And Godzooky too!
03:14 PM XXCoder: ;)
03:14 PM Crom: Mothra and Masura!
03:15 PM Crom: Godzilla is a lizard... Mothra Flies!
03:16 PM LeelooMinai: Wonderful, and suddenly there are Godzilla specialists eveywhere in the channel:p
03:16 PM XXCoder: LeelooMinai: am I alone that im not godzilla expert?
03:16 PM Crom: LeelooMinai: When I was little... it was on TV at least every 2 months...
03:17 PM Crom: Godzilla, Monster Island, etc...
03:17 PM LeelooMinai: I remember I watched it in movies where I was small. Godzilla contra Gigant or something:)
03:18 PM LeelooMinai: Gigan apparently - lol, 1972
03:18 PM XXCoder: most of my childhood was too poor to have tv lol
03:18 PM yasnak: iemca's commercials are amazing haha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGOAEaINc0k
03:19 PM Jymmm: XXCoder: did you just hanfg an empty picture frame around the dog and called it "nature show" ?
03:21 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: I had TV, but I remember I would cut out paper siluettes put them on sticks, put a light behind them and project them on screen and make shows for my 7 year younger sister:)
03:22 PM LeelooMinai: No TV - no problem.
03:22 PM XXCoder: indeed
03:23 PM LeelooMinai: yasnak: ....
03:25 PM yasnak: never seen a barfeeder before? :P
03:42 PM CaptHindsight: looks just like the factories in China except for the guards around the robots
03:43 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I have a bad feeling what's going on...
03:43 PM LeelooMinai: about what's going on*
03:44 PM CaptHindsight: and they play different music
03:46 PM LeelooMinai: Call me crazy, but I think there's some weird Global Information War I staring/going on.
03:49 PM LeelooMinai: I just stumbled on a channel where some black lady talks how Germans are not patriotic, but Polish people are great for not accepting regugees and they are like Repulbicans in USA.
03:50 PM LeelooMinai: And below there are comments from clearly trolls/soldiers trying to play on pople's national pride to push them towards some crazy person in Poland that at this point is a copy of Trump basically:/
03:52 PM LeelooMinai: This is not random - it seems to be clearly orchestrated and those "trolls" follow some strategy/instructions.
03:53 PM LeelooMinai: Is this some kind of new warfare?
04:00 PM LeelooMinai: Starts feeling like some kind of Matrix by this point - I hope it's only me getting old and crazy:)
04:04 PM Jymmm: LeelooMinai: You've ALWAYS been crazy, but you were too crazy to know that you're crazy! Crazy, aint it?!
04:06 PM LeelooMinai: Jymmm: Well, it's a weird feeling - on one hand, ok, I could be getting paranoid, but on the other, something feels wrong:)
04:07 PM LeelooMinai: I just read that WH requested all personal information from states about voters to "check for fraud"...
04:09 PM LeelooMinai: Something tells me that there may be no 2020 elections at all... Or nothing close to what this was in the past.
04:12 PM BeachBumPete: Oh whatever
04:13 PM LeelooMinai: Right, "Let The First Mind Wars Begin!!" :p
04:13 PM LeelooMinai: Not sure what the end goal is though.
04:16 PM LeelooMinai: If sum of all people is more than one person, and they get increasingly more and more connected, the age of internet, smarphones, etc. could be a good starting point for some strange meta-mind sorting itself out from conflicting strategies for survival...
04:16 PM LeelooMinai: Holy crap, now I am getting scared of myself:)
04:21 PM yasnak: probably time to get off the internet for a bit...lol
04:22 PM LeelooMinai: To gain perspective or lose perspective? :)
04:23 PM yasnak: to clear your head if anything
04:23 PM LeelooMinai: I cannot be the only one feeling that society has a mind of its own.
04:24 PM yasnak: ps: anyone ever used/seen the 'dobot magician'?
04:24 PM yasnak: you're not, but bringing politics into metalworking isn't fun ;)
04:26 PM LeelooMinai: yasnak: I see it more like politics bringing itself into my hobbies, not the other way around:)
04:26 PM LeelooMinai: But ok, dobot, goole, weird expensive arm...
04:27 PM yasnak: actually its fairly cheap and saves me the time building my own...if it works
04:28 PM LeelooMinai: Seems pretty unfun to me - desining one would be much more beneficial experience imo. This seems consumery-like product.
04:28 PM yasnak: but reviews say yet again its just a MORE expensive paperweight, i need something that would work as a simple parts feeder.
04:29 PM LeelooMinai: I have bad feeling looking at that Apple-like case and overall design. Definitelly not friendly for anyone insterested in modifications,e tc.
04:29 PM yasnak: http://www.mecademic.com/ is perfect but my guess is they're still a bit expensive but still would make our money back in a few months
04:29 PM LeelooMinai: And some BS stylized case unbderneath.
04:30 PM yasnak: yeah, i read that the controller has issues and there isn't a large community so if you cannot find time to fix it yourself you're SOL
04:31 PM LeelooMinai: Frankly, I have no faith in an average person taking poper advantage of an arm like that.
04:31 PM yasnak: We do lots of high volume...but mixed setups
04:31 PM LeelooMinai: So it probably won't "explode" in popularity.
04:31 PM sync: yasnak: maybe an UR?
04:32 PM yasnak: UR?
04:32 PM LeelooMinai: Unless someone makes a meme video of it holding a beer for someone watching TV:/
04:32 PM yasnak: eh, its just baseline automation
04:33 PM yasnak: we're already at this: https://youtu.be/rKeXAyC2eI0?t=57
04:33 PM LeelooMinai: yasnak: That's not an average person using it:)
04:33 PM sync: https://www.universal-robots.com
04:33 PM LeelooMinai: That's industry more or less.
04:34 PM sync: you forget that there is medium sized industry as well
04:34 PM yasnak: depends, they can be used where ever. initial setup might be a bit lengthy but with time more will come
04:34 PM yasnak: the new average you mean ;)
04:34 PM yasnak: sync any idea what their base models run at price-wise?
04:35 PM sync: I think around 15k or something
04:35 PM LeelooMinai: I don't know... How are medium and small sized "industry" bussiness doing with respect to, say, 3 decades ago?
04:35 PM yasnak: hmmm, yeah fanuc quoted me at their base (non-spider w/camera model) around that too
04:36 PM LeelooMinai: I am not sure if mage-corps are eating everything or not - was not really following:)
04:36 PM LeelooMinai: mage=mega
04:36 PM sync: it really depends
04:36 PM sync: there are lots of little giants
04:37 PM sync: but they also existed 30 years ago
04:37 PM sync: but the bottom of the barrel is pretty awful because cnc machinery is just so cheap now
04:38 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I would expect some kind of saturation
04:38 PM yasnak: depends on the market too
04:38 PM yasnak: job shops are still mixed in high/low. those in medical and such are forced to go high-tech though
04:38 PM LeelooMinai: At one point, I remember, CNC-machined parts for, say, bicycles had huge premium over the semi-hand-made ones, but then it reversed.
04:39 PM LeelooMinai: Same as with alimunum - initially it was more expensive then gold, and now it's considered a cheap material.
04:39 PM LeelooMinai: aluminium*
04:39 PM yasnak: I think offshoring and china helped with that. not saying china cannot compete w/quality but they had a stranglehold on the bottom line cheap stuff
04:40 PM yasnak: aluminum as far as scrap goes is still fairly expensive ha
04:41 PM LeelooMinai: A guess it requires a lot of energy to make still.
04:41 PM sync: it requires the same energy as it ever did, but yes, it requires a lot of it
04:42 PM LeelooMinai: But initially it was a magic and expensive metal, and at some point people started calling it "shitmetal":)
04:43 PM BeachBumPete: heh you can have all my aluminum swarf LOL
04:43 PM LeelooMinai: And now CNC-made stuff is almost at that point too...
04:43 PM LeelooMinai: In some areas at least.
04:45 PM * LeelooMinai sights
04:47 PM phipli: LeelooMinai: Aluminium takes a lot of energy to make, but very little to recycle
04:47 PM LeelooMinai: I should probably go back to home-improvement chores, which consist of me renovating front door framing with PVC. Hate that stuff. I bought a little carbide scraper set some time ago, and yesterday I was using it to... remove some old caulking - travesty!
04:48 PM LeelooMinai: phipli: Right, I figured that must be the case.
04:48 PM sync: well, machines are cheap so you can easily machine stuff from solid
04:49 PM Deejay: gn8
04:53 PM XXCoder: LeelooMinai: ye olde days they had to find rather rare elemental alum. thats why usa penis symbol is capped with aluminium, its from era when alum was insanely expensive
04:53 PM XXCoder: now its just tacky, just like usa
04:55 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: Er, what "penis symbol"... Capped with aluminium?
04:55 PM XXCoder: the obesik
04:55 PM LeelooMinai: I thought USA symbol was an eagle or something:)
04:55 PM XXCoder: no thats symbol of freedom
04:56 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, that tower like thing with pyramid end?
04:56 PM XXCoder: yeah
04:56 PM LeelooMinai: Washington Monument?
04:56 PM XXCoder: yep
04:57 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I look at ti now and looks stone all around - if the top is different it's unnoticable from far.
04:58 PM LeelooMinai: I guess since the top is at sharper angle, you won't even see it from the ground level.
04:59 PM XXCoder: http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/9511/Binczewski-9511.fig.5.large.gif
04:59 PM XXCoder: the replica
04:59 PM LeelooMinai: But even here: https://ak8.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/18209680/thumb/1.jpg?i10c=img.resize(height:160)
04:59 PM LeelooMinai: I mean, it looks one material from top to bottom.
04:59 PM XXCoder: look at tip
05:00 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: You cannot see any detail from ground or from further distances.
05:00 PM LeelooMinai: farther*
05:00 PM XXCoder: yeah its rather hard to see
05:00 PM XXCoder: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2eMMS8t7l7g/VeuhmmF_KXI/AAAAAAAAV88/aYAXuDS2BvA/s1600/16586washmon.jpg
05:01 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I guess gold would be nicer - would not corrode in any way too.
05:01 PM XXCoder: yeah
05:01 PM XXCoder: it was essentally first pure alum creation of usa
05:02 PM LeelooMinai: At least until one day there would be news that someone stole it with a drone or something:)
05:02 PM XXCoder: it's quite diffult to do back then, and alum and copper is bit hard to seperate
05:02 PM XXCoder: im sure its more secure than just held by gravity lol
05:02 PM XXCoder: http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/pyramid-washington-monument.jpg
05:02 PM LeelooMinai: Surely they used construction adhesive...
05:02 PM XXCoder: ah more scaling picture, if that is accurate
05:03 PM LeelooMinai: Lol, that's lioke 6 inch tall there.
05:03 PM XXCoder: 9 inches tall, 100 oz
05:03 PM XXCoder: $275 of that era money
05:03 PM XXCoder: err 256
05:04 PM LeelooMinai: Well, maybe in few years it will be replaced with nice orangy gold one...
05:04 PM XXCoder: LOL apparently it was not up to its job, a thunder hit it and cracked north face
05:05 PM XXCoder: so they added gold plated copper bars
05:06 PM XXCoder: in 2017 money that $256 is $6,372.74 usd
05:06 PM XXCoder: nowdays it can be made for less than $256 today money LOL
05:06 PM LeelooMinai: I don't know, now lookint at this whole thing, it's a bit strange... I would expect if aliens one day invade Earth, they will put monuments like that in some places - looks pretty unhuman:)
05:06 PM XXCoder: thats why I call it penis monemtal
05:06 PM Tom_itx: invade?
05:07 PM Tom_itx: i swear i've seen some
05:07 PM XXCoder: because its just stupid.
05:07 PM XXCoder: looks kinda cool but stupid
05:08 PM XXCoder: "During a 1934 rehab of the monument's exterior, workers found another flaw in Frishmuth's pyramid. Repeated lightning strikes had blunted its tip, and pieces had melted and re-fused to the sides. Frishmuth's promise that the pyramid would not tarnish was good, though, and the inscriptions made on the metal 50 years prior were still readable."
05:08 PM LeelooMinai: I guess it's hard to even remotely guess what it symbolises - it's a pointy geometric shape sticking out of goround:)
05:09 PM XXCoder: penis
05:17 PM Jymmm: XXCoder: she said "out of the ground"
05:54 PM phipli: http://elephantandchicken.co.uk/projects/MikeBoard.jpg
05:57 PM XXCoder: NASA would like to let you know that they do not run child slave colony at mars.
05:57 PM XXCoder: its sad that they had to do that.
05:58 PM Jymmm: XXCoder: Lies, all lies... NASA = Need Adolenent Slave Aliens
05:59 PM malcom2073: XXCoder: Of course not, that's what spacex is for
05:59 PM XXCoder: lol
05:59 PM malcom2073: On a on-topic note, phipliNice!
06:00 PM XXCoder: very clean engrave
06:00 PM malcom2073: I've almost gotten to the point where I'm brave enough to send out to have a PCB made, maybe I should rethink and just mill my own
06:00 PM phipli: :)
06:00 PM phipli: malcom2073: took about an hour to cut
06:00 PM malcom2073: Not bad
06:00 PM phipli: 2x3 inches
06:01 PM malcom2073: So being as my name is Mike, I gotta ask: What's it do?
06:01 PM phipli: vast improvement over my previous protoboard designs.
06:01 PM phipli: heh
06:01 PM phipli: a friend at work helps run lazer tag things
06:01 PM phipli: *laser
06:01 PM phipli: it is for a prop for their games
06:01 PM malcom2073: Ah cool
06:02 PM malcom2073: It involves laser, so I approve!
06:02 PM phipli: :)
06:02 PM phipli: lasers++
06:04 PM XXCoder: laser tag was fun for short while for us
06:04 PM phipli: malcom2073: cut using this sort of tool : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Carbide-Engraving-Bits-Router-0-2mm/dp/B00BVHAFJM/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1498948361&sr=8-15
06:04 PM XXCoder: we realized there was some problems playing woith laser when it gives beeps when hit or "died"
06:04 PM malcom2073: Ah nice, what kind of spindle do you have?
06:04 PM XXCoder: sometimes we missed that we was dead :P
06:05 PM phipli: malcom2073: not a very good one :)
06:05 PM phipli: 400w chinese thing
06:06 PM phipli: XXCoder: the ones they have disable the gun when you die
06:06 PM XXCoder: yeah not surpised theres been upgrades since then
06:06 PM phipli: not really my thing
06:06 PM phipli: but I like making things
06:06 PM XXCoder: it WOULD be my thing maybe. hard to predict. in any case we returned em next day
06:06 PM XXCoder: was in middle 80s
06:19 PM XXCoder: man I feel old
06:19 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKxAKyyNrys
06:19 PM XXCoder: in few days, I'd have uploaded this video 10 years ago.
06:28 PM phipli: I remember that thing
06:29 PM XXCoder: it was fun
06:29 PM XXCoder: played with it a bunch though most was pretty crappy
06:39 PM JT-Shop: I love it when a plan comes together... neighbor had a window ac unit he wanted to get rid of and friends sister on disability ac went out so everyone is happy
06:39 PM XXCoder: nice
06:40 PM JT-Shop: I love it when I can find a home for stuff that otherwise might get tossed out
06:41 PM XXCoder: yeah "keep using" is way better than reuse or recycle
06:43 PM JT-Shop: or toss out
06:43 PM XXCoder: yep
06:55 PM phipli: night folks
06:57 PM LeelooMinai: lol: "NASA Forced To Deny Having Child Sláve Colony On Mars"
06:58 PM XXCoder: LeelooMinai: sadly they had to do that
06:58 PM XXCoder: because sanity is rare now
06:59 PM LeelooMinai: Holy crap, this is not even the weird part - apparently some guy claimed that pedophiles rape children they extract their blood and create some chimras with it or... somone shoot me:)
07:00 PM LeelooMinai: Then they send those chimeras to Mars for labour... :(
07:00 PM XXCoder: yeah saw that
07:01 PM XXCoder: insanity all way down
07:01 PM XXCoder: infowars is insane
07:01 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, but if NASA has to correct those things, that's something else.
07:02 PM XXCoder: yeah
07:02 PM XXCoder: we never landed on moon but we have child slavery at mars. okay.
07:03 PM LeelooMinai: Instead of CNC I should have started a project for something that will let me leave Earth:(
07:04 PM LeelooMinai: Any direction is fine with me - can be even towards the Sun.
07:04 PM XXCoder: going to sun is rather hard
07:05 PM LeelooMinai: Well, not directly - may be in a spiral or whatever:)
07:05 PM XXCoder: spiral means youre constantly firing engine to slow down, bit slowly
07:05 PM XXCoder: ion engine maybe
07:06 PM XXCoder: I tried to reach star in KSP game, and it was hard
07:06 PM LeelooMinai: Solar panels? :p
07:06 PM XXCoder: my ship had to be rather large
07:06 PM XXCoder: took 3 launches to build sun visitor ship
07:06 PM XXCoder: then fired for while
07:06 PM LeelooMinai: Is that game still alive?
07:07 PM XXCoder: yeah
07:07 PM XXCoder: so are minecraft surpising though seems slowing down
07:07 PM LeelooMinai: Last time I heared Microsoft bought it.
07:08 PM XXCoder: yeah
07:09 PM * LeelooMinai goes to scrape some caulking, because... Mom
07:09 PM JT-Shop: yea neighbors chickens laid 7 eggs in my yard
07:10 PM XXCoder: fun
07:10 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: whats ethics say about that? you give em back to neighbor or?
07:11 PM XXCoder: that seems most likely to me lol
07:12 PM JT-Shop: no, she said to try and get some to lay in my yard
07:12 PM JT-Shop: even told me what to build to get some to lay over here
07:13 PM JT-Shop: when my friends came to pick up the AC they brought me some tomatillos... can you taste the salsa
07:14 PM XXCoder: yeah
07:14 PM XXCoder: I can taste far more than average person who cannot smell
07:15 PM JT-Shop: been a damn good day all around... I'm wandering inside see you in the morning
07:15 PM XXCoder: so what was she expecting? im kinda confused lol
07:15 PM XXCoder: that you keep eggs laid in your yard or?
07:15 PM JT-Shop: the neighbor?
07:15 PM XXCoder: yeah
07:16 PM JT-Shop: yea she told me to make nest boxes so some would lay over here
07:16 PM XXCoder: interesting. pretty cool
07:16 PM JT-Shop: we help each other out
07:17 PM JT-Shop: yea she is a cool neighbor
07:17 PM XXCoder: thats good
07:18 PM JT-Shop: see you in the morning
07:18 PM XXCoder: have good rest
07:23 PM dan3wik is now known as dan2wik
11:38 PM XXCoder: green is shorter