#linuxcnc Logs

Jun 04 2017

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:21 AM IchGucksLive: morning from a wet germany
01:23 AM XXCoder: hey from black and gloomy wa
01:28 AM Crom: https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16813153297/specs
01:29 AM Crom: I this would be decent for lcnc
01:29 AM roycroft: it's been overcast here
01:29 AM Crom: Think this would
01:29 AM Crom: Too sunny here...
01:34 AM XXCoder: Crom: newegg is one of those sites that think its great idea to redirect users to homepage
01:34 AM XXCoder: so I cant see your item
01:35 AM IchGucksLive: Crom isent there room for a J1900
01:49 AM CaptHindsight: too dark to be sunny here
01:50 AM CaptHindsight: loaded Devuan on a machine but haven't installed LCNC yet
01:53 AM CaptHindsight: crom that link jumps to a weekend deals page here
01:54 AM CaptHindsight: hmm had to put that item number in the newegg search to land there
01:56 AM CaptHindsight: Crom: I'd avoid it for the jetway only daughter card soon to be obsolete interface
02:09 AM TurBoShop: morning
02:09 AM TurBoShop: its morning oclock
02:12 AM XXCoder: hey TurBoShop
02:12 AM TurBoShop: waxup?
02:13 AM IchGucksLive: its sunday so no business ;-)
02:14 AM IchGucksLive: but im off to garden
02:14 AM IchGucksLive: till later
02:14 AM TurBoShop: later
02:27 AM Deejay: moin
02:54 AM JesusAlos1 is now known as JesusAlos
03:35 AM archivist: Phipli, about the same distance "ish" Cromford station to canal is a bit longer but the canal walk is probably a bit longer from Watstandwell
03:44 AM Phipli: someone else is joining us and offered a lift so not catching the train
03:46 AM archivist: high peak junction car park then http://www.middleton-leawood.org.uk/leawood/directions.html
03:46 AM archivist: or a walk from Cromford :)
04:06 AM Phipli: :)
04:07 AM XXCoder: wow picture is very detailed
04:09 AM Phipli: archivist: I will laugh so much if driving increases the walk
04:09 AM Phipli: As a non-car user everyone spends their time trying to tell me that I need to get one...
04:12 AM XXCoder: you don't need one
04:12 AM XXCoder: you need 3.
04:15 AM Phipli: To be honest... I have one. Just took it off the road...
04:16 AM Phipli: They cheap to buy and expensive to run
04:16 AM Phipli: They're
04:39 AM Phipli: archivist: I'm wearing a Battle Royale t-shirt if you spot me
05:25 AM jthornton: morning
05:47 AM XXCoder: hey
05:55 AM XXCoder: whats up JT-Shop
05:55 AM jthornton: just getting my first cup of joe
05:55 AM XXCoder: ah youre an vampire
07:25 AM CaptHindsight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JCUT-1530B-5x10-CNCwoodworking-machine-cnc-router-freeship-SALE-/132178178296 $5k for a 5 x 10ft router
07:26 AM CaptHindsight: I pay more for machine bases
07:28 AM TurBoss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7_RqGB3gMo
07:29 AM CaptHindsight: 1/10ththe price of https://www.bonanza.com/listings/Laguna-Tools-SmartShop-ll-5-x10-11HP-HSD-Spindle-10HP-Vacuum-CNC-Router-ATC/129406821
07:30 AM malcom2073: That seems oddly cheap
07:30 AM malcom2073: Even ebaying parts, I don't think I could beat that price for a 5x10
07:32 AM malcom2073: Heh, "Buyer pays return shipping"
07:32 AM malcom2073: They could send you scrap metal, and you'd be forced to keep it
07:32 AM CaptHindsight: painted with a mop, 5mm backlash, can't cut anything square, etc etc
07:32 AM malcom2073: CaptHindsight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JCUT-1325B-4x8-CNCwoodworking-machine-cnc-router-freeship-ON-SALE/131961659639?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D7967b8cc7e3b4f09a2bc9933d4d61ade%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D132178178296
07:32 AM malcom2073: Even cheaper
07:34 AM CaptHindsight: a bit smaller
07:34 AM CaptHindsight: ever see them up close?
07:35 AM CaptHindsight: they look terrible
07:35 AM CaptHindsight: bad welds, paint drips, rusty fasteners, etc etc
07:35 AM CaptHindsight: crunchy bearings
07:45 AM malcom2073: I'd not no, not shocked though
07:45 AM malcom2073: gotta make them cheap somehow
07:58 AM Tom_itx: more rain...
07:59 AM jthornton: yea raining a bit this morning when I let the chickens out
07:59 AM Tom_itx: always good to get back home ehh?
07:59 AM jthornton: oh yea slept good last night
08:34 AM jthornton: dang got a bunch of stuff to pack up to ship...
09:12 AM phipli: and home
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: hi from germany
12:40 PM Phipliii: archivist: It was Crossness I went to in London
12:43 PM Phipliii: I might have been to Kew too...
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: london is a amazing city
12:53 PM phipli: Have a look at Crossness pumping station in a google image search
12:53 PM phipli: They really cared about machines when they built that
12:53 PM archivist: I just got back
12:54 PM archivist: Kempton Park are the big ones
12:55 PM archivist: Kempton was used for one of the Bond films
12:58 PM phipli: Don't think I've been to that one
01:01 PM archivist: there are a coupl of others in london invite only though
01:07 PM phipli: how was the rest of your day?
01:07 PM phipli: did they give you any pressure again?
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel: bist du da
01:10 PM Loetmichel: yes
01:11 PM Loetmichel: i am ALWAYS here ;)
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: i need for the farm tractors and the cornharvester 7segment 3 Num
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: about 100mm high
01:11 PM phipli: That is quite big
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: but it needs to be displayd day and night
01:12 PM Loetmichel: IchGucksLive: you mean like this one?
01:12 PM IchGucksLive: shoudt i go for homebuild flipdot
01:13 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13361
01:13 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13311&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
01:13 PM Loetmichel: :-)
01:14 PM Loetmichel: its a bit bigger tho
01:14 PM archivist: phipli, a bar had fallen out of the boiler making steaming difficult but the other was still reasonably hot from the day before, I stopped for a while to get pressure up then when the second came on it was easy the rest of the day
01:14 PM phipli: IchGucksLive, "Kingbright SA40-19EWA"
01:14 PM Loetmichel: 200mm letter height
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: i see
01:15 PM phipli: 127mm is the tallest I can see on RS
01:15 PM phipli: archivist, ah - "the boiler broke" is a reasonable excuse for them struggling
01:16 PM phipli: IchGucksLive, https://tinyurl.com/y8zlz98d
01:17 PM phipli: you can pinch part numbers from their offerings if nothing else. Although you might have to get three individual digits and do the wiring yourself
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: 5" is the bigget redy made
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: but not in SRWA
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: super red
01:19 PM IchGucksLive: and they are pricy
01:19 PM IchGucksLive: if i mill a pcb and use UH Green
01:19 PM IchGucksLive: at 25000mcd
01:19 PM phipli: Is it worth going TFT at that size?
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: Phipli in rouph tarain i wont use it
01:20 PM phipli: What about a larger ready made matrix?
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: a 7219 on a arduino nano by 28o3 sourced from udn 2981
01:21 PM phipli: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/F3-75-P4-75-indoor-led-matrix-panel-board-32-64-dot-152-304mm-single-red/32573706441.html
01:21 PM IchGucksLive: it does not need to be that big
01:21 PM IchGucksLive: the drivers are may 15feet apart
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: this is the use https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_PslBNAT7s
01:23 PM IchGucksLive: the harvester needs to know the next driver ariving annd the driver needs to know the field name the harvester is in
01:23 PM IchGucksLive: i wrote a android app
01:24 PM phipli: How quickly does the internal storage on the combine fill on the machines you're working with?
01:24 PM IchGucksLive: but the problemse is fast shifting drivers
01:25 PM IchGucksLive: there is no internal on the corn
01:25 PM phipli: how do they manage the change-over?
01:25 PM Loetmichel: phipli: TFT is usually too dark for direct sunlight readability
01:26 PM archivist: software maps and gps no need for displays
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: all truckloaders got cam view on the load
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: the WIFI cam on the end arm of the harvester is broadcast to the drivers
01:27 PM IchGucksLive: archivist its done so
01:27 PM roycroft: have any of you made machinery badges by etching brass plate?
01:27 PM IchGucksLive: it workes great on a "planed"mission
01:27 PM IchGucksLive: archivist but there are trucks and drivers filled up without divices
01:27 PM roycroft: i can sort out the etching process easily, but i wonder what folks use for color on the etched areas
01:28 PM Loetmichel: roycroft i usually engrave them
01:28 PM archivist: roycroft, a paint
01:28 PM roycroft: sure, but what kind of paint works well?
01:28 PM Loetmichel: and then use simple crayons to fill
01:28 PM roycroft: just any random oil-based paint?
01:28 PM archivist: clockmakers use a wax for filling
01:29 PM Loetmichel: the cheaper the better
01:29 PM roycroft: crayons don't seem as though they would be very durable
01:29 PM archivist: sealing wax is harder and does a good job
01:29 PM roycroft: although if you spray laquer over everything at the end that's not a big deal
01:30 PM roycroft: as in correspondence sealing wax?
01:30 PM archivist: yes
01:30 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: http://www.cyrom.org/hajo/PowerKnoepfe.avi
01:31 PM roycroft: cool, that is easy to come by and easy to work with
01:31 PM archivist: cover it all then wet/dry till engraving shows
01:31 PM roycroft: right
01:32 PM archivist: that is how this was done http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2003/2003_07_30_Dial_Norfolk/P1010008.JPG silvering is done afterwards
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel: do you use the same filter color as the led color
01:33 PM Loetmichel: yes
01:33 PM archivist: roycroft, washing up liquid and water to stop the wet and dry clogging
01:34 PM roycroft: nice
01:34 PM roycroft: i'm planning on trying the toner transfer method to mask the etching
01:34 PM archivist: hand engrave :)
01:35 PM roycroft: that's not going to work for me, unfortunately
01:35 PM archivist: nor me for writing :)
01:35 PM archivist: I did som on that last dial where I repaired it
01:36 PM roycroft: for fine things like those clock hands do you blue on a bed of brass shavings?
01:36 PM roycroft: or sand?
01:36 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: seen the video?
01:37 PM roycroft: no, my browser complains loudly about it, and when i insist that the browser load it anyway it just displays a blank page
01:37 PM archivist: at the clockworks was brass shavings, at home on sand
01:37 PM roycroft: so i gave up
01:37 PM Loetmichel: download an play with any video player
01:37 PM Loetmichel: maybe the codec i used back then
01:38 PM roycroft: brass shavings would initially heat up faster than sand, i should think
01:38 PM roycroft: but sand would heat more evenly once it is at temperature
01:38 PM roycroft: so you did the wax filler first, then the silvering?
01:39 PM archivist: I made a kiln with firebricks and a controller
01:39 PM roycroft: i have a heat treatment oven
01:39 PM archivist: http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bluing+kiln
01:39 PM roycroft: the temperature controller is rather crude, but i have a pretty accurate pid controller that i can use to bypass the built-in one
01:40 PM archivist: I used a cooker hob element under the tray
01:41 PM roycroft: what i have was designed as a glass kiln, but it works brilliantly for heat treating metals
01:42 PM roycroft: it opens in the front, can get up to about 1150 degrees, and is about 40 cm square on the inside
01:42 PM * roycroft thinks he paid $75 for it
01:46 PM roycroft: i should really get some books/other materials on clock/watchmaking
01:46 PM roycroft: i think some of those skills would really enhance what i am trying to do with metals
01:47 PM roycroft: i took a couple jewelrymaking classes years ago
01:47 PM roycroft: and that's a whole different set of skills than machining
01:49 PM archivist: many of the original hand skills are still used, so old books can be ok
01:49 PM roycroft: yes, and some of them may be in the gutenberg project files
01:50 PM IchGucksLive: gn8
01:50 PM roycroft: btw, i find old machining books to be often more useful than current ones
01:59 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: that is because of inferences :)
02:00 PM CaptHindsight: it used to be that you would read something and comprehend it
02:00 PM CaptHindsight: now days kids are taught to infer things that the writer hasn't actually written
02:01 PM roycroft: yes, that's part of it
02:01 PM phipli: Is there a Workshop Practice Series book on watchmaking?
02:01 PM roycroft: and part of it is that modern machining books tend to be more formulaic
02:01 PM roycroft: there's one on clockmaking, and i have that
02:01 PM phipli: yes, yes there is
02:01 PM phipli: archivist, where did you start?
02:01 PM phipli: with the watch gear making?
02:02 PM roycroft: modern machining books also tend to move on to cnc as quickly as possible
02:03 PM CaptHindsight: plus you're really just suppoed to order stuff on Amamzon and not make anything
02:03 PM roycroft: the copy of machinery's handbook i keep in my kennedy is a 1940 edition
02:04 PM phipli: There is a "Gears and Gear Cutting" Workshop Practice Series book too
02:04 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: does is use old math as well? :)
02:04 PM roycroft: yes, and that's a nice intro book to gears
02:04 PM roycroft: a big section of the book is trig tables
02:04 PM phipli: At work I use a 1950s book for duct related calculations
02:05 PM phipli: the type of thing you have to hide, because people get the wrong idea, but it is an excellent book
02:06 PM CaptHindsight: I found a set of math textbooks from the 40's a few years ago, they covered everything from basic operations to calc...
02:07 PM CaptHindsight: clearly written and easily understood, with examples that actually matched the info
02:07 PM Loetmichel: phipli: why the wrong ideas?
02:11 PM CaptHindsight: newer machinery and materials handbooks are only missing a few newer materials
02:12 PM CaptHindsight: the principles and math haven't changed
02:12 PM roycroft: the problem with machinery's handbook is that it has to fit a kennedy book drawer
02:12 PM roycroft: so when they add new material they have to remove something
02:12 PM roycroft: the paper is already as thin as they can make it, and the print as small as they can get away with
02:13 PM CaptHindsight: carriage pins and wheels
02:14 PM CaptHindsight: horse shoe sizing tables :)
02:15 PM CaptHindsight: lead water supply fittings
02:17 PM CaptHindsight: I have pdf versions but are difficult to navigate when your hands are greasy
02:17 PM phipli: Loetmichel, some people think you should only use modern books because knowledge always moves forwards
02:17 PM Loetmichel: phipli: thats correct. doesent mean that old knowledge is invalidated though ;)
02:18 PM CaptHindsight: Loetmichel: but you aren't always dealing with smart people
02:18 PM phipli: I also find that less information was "proprietary" in the past
02:18 PM CaptHindsight: just well conditioned/trained
02:18 PM phipli: companies try to hide knowledge.
02:23 PM CaptHindsight: looking for a ~4 x 6ft vacuum table
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: also need to make pedestal fixtures with vacuum ports to hold parts above the main table
02:26 PM CaptHindsight: might have to use some smaller clamps for that http://www.clampusystems.com/VacClamps.html
02:36 PM DrippityDrops: I reference the machinery handbook far less often than I should, sadly most problems I have I solve with a google search anymore
02:53 PM CaptHindsight: anyone ever seen a linear servo motor combined with air bearing as one unit? (not as two or more pieces)
02:55 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/BoB6GA1zSb0?t=1m7s for high speed scanning applications
02:57 PM Crom: ugh.. out of dupont patch wires for arduino/electronic hacking.. just ordered 3 each of 40pcs packs of FM MM FF
02:57 PM Crom: $9.48
02:58 PM JT-Shop: what are you making?
03:07 PM Phipliii: I got a tool for making them, but either I or the tool are a bit crap.
03:08 PM Phipliii: takes so long to get it right it isn't worth it
03:11 PM JT-Shop: I finally got my tool to work, it's a bit fidgety to say the least
03:17 PM Phipliii: getting a load lined up on ribbon cable takes time
04:17 PM Phipliii: I'm still here
04:18 PM Phipliii: did it just kick everyone or did my client glitch
04:20 PM Tom_itx: minor netsplit
04:21 PM Loetmichel: phipli: netsplit
04:22 PM Phipliii: should probably put the various birds to bed
04:22 PM Phipliii: brb
04:33 PM Crom: UNO GPS finally cleaned up and working right... https://pastebin.com/47EidDHd
04:33 PM JT-Shop: dang, I thought I was done packing up orders for tomorrow but just got another one :)
04:35 PM JT-Shop: well the auto part of the chicken door seems to work well, now to add a manual override
04:41 PM phipli: what was the issue?
04:44 PM JT-Shop: lol dunno just completely wrote it over again starting with an example of state change detection
04:45 PM JT-Shop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24776348/
04:45 PM JT-Shop: that's where I'm at now
04:45 PM Tom_itx: ooo ick, that's ardweenie code
04:46 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:47 PM JT-Shop: not sure how I want to bypass the auto part when the manual switch is used...
04:47 PM Deejay: gn8
04:49 PM Loetmichel: JT-Shop: dont want to have 2 halve chickens?
04:51 PM JT-Shop: well when it's time for some Coc au Vin maybe
05:05 PM Crom: pushbutton to toggle state? for manual...
05:06 PM Tom_itx: with a led state indicator of course
05:07 PM Crom: I check button and when I have 4 good button_ is_pressed, then I act on it...
05:07 PM Crom: that's pretty much my debounce code...
05:08 PM Crom: Used alot in this https://pastebin.com/0upZ2SwE
05:08 PM Tom_itx: ~20ms
05:09 PM Tom_itx: could require up to half second if you wanted
05:09 PM Tom_itx: or so
05:10 PM Crom: DOH! soldered wrong pad... no wonder it powers on and off randomly
05:12 PM Crom: fixed
05:36 PM JT-Shop: dang I'm almost there...
06:04 PM JT-Shop: finally got the code worked out yippie
06:56 PM Tom_itx: JT-Shop, what's the code size?
07:00 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
07:00 PM jym: Tom_L: 2XLT
07:18 PM roycroft: i'm on my first go at making a replica of the outside of my spindle nose
07:18 PM roycroft: i tried to sneak up on the diameters, but both are about 0.001" too small :(
07:19 PM * roycroft chalks that up to lack of skill and lack of experience with the machine
07:19 PM roycroft: i'm going to cut the thread next
07:20 PM roycroft: fortunately i have enough material for three or four goes, so if i'm not happy with the first one i can do it again
09:19 PM Crom: OK made a pigtail, So I can run a 12v port port and a mincro USB supply in the back seat of my car. Yeah it's a '95 honda odyssey.. no power behind the cig lighter
09:21 PM Crom: I have this tapped into the fuse box http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-Power-Cord-Cable-Adapter-Connector-for-Kenwood-Mobile-Radio-ICOM-Transceiver-/162400784871
09:22 PM roycroft: well, so far i have not succeeded, and i don't know what i did wrong
09:22 PM roycroft: i got frustrated and walked away, so that i can approach it again with fresh eyes
09:23 PM roycroft: i just eyeballed the thread depth until i thought i was close, and then measured between wires
09:23 PM Crom: get close within 0.0015... then use sand paper or crocous cloth from there
09:23 PM roycroft: the measurement was 0.042" less than i had written down for the spindle nose
09:23 PM Crom: oh threads too deep?
09:23 PM roycroft: but i could not thread the new piece in
09:23 PM roycroft: no, not deep enough
09:24 PM roycroft: i was really surprised at that measurement, because i thought had a way to go
09:24 PM Crom: taking into account wire size?
09:24 PM roycroft: yes
09:24 PM roycroft: i used the same wires on both measurements
09:24 PM roycroft: oh well
09:25 PM roycroft: the real problem is that i did not turn between two centeres
09:25 PM Crom: hmmm rounded thread tips? tips too sharp for the thread on the nut?
09:25 PM roycroft: i turned on the chuck, with the end supported by a live center in the tailstock
09:25 PM roycroft: the real spindle has very sharp peaks and valleys
09:25 PM roycroft: no rounding at all
09:26 PM roycroft: anyway, now i'll have to bump it around to get it concentric, if i can
09:26 PM roycroft: and then pick up the thread
09:26 PM roycroft: two things that are not going to be easy for me to do
09:27 PM roycroft: i should have registered the part to the chuck before removing it
09:27 PM roycroft: that would make recentering it a lot easier
09:27 PM roycroft: this is a learning experience for me as well as work that needs to get done, so i'll spend some more time on the first go before starting over
09:27 PM Crom: I always when taking out of the chuck, I have the writing on the chuck top front
09:28 PM roycroft: my measurement was so far off i thought it was going to fit really loosely, even though it looked like it was not done yet
09:29 PM roycroft: that's what i get for trusting a mic and not my eyes
09:29 PM roycroft: the good news is it looks like the diameters were really close
09:30 PM Crom: I stopped using my digital calipers for that reason... I use my verneirs now it's a pain cuz they're inch..
09:31 PM roycroft: i would be willing to bet that i measured the spindle thread over wires correctly and wrote the measurement down wrong
09:33 PM roycroft: i ordered some sealing wax this afternoon, and needed to pad out the order to get free shipping, so i got a couple kant twist clamps
09:33 PM roycroft: i've been meaning to try some for years
09:34 PM roycroft: sadly, i expect i'll be spending a couple hundred dollars on them soon
09:34 PM roycroft: i think they'll work at least as well as i anticipate
09:37 PM roycroft: and i ordered the wrong ones
09:37 PM roycroft: i just requested cancellation - hopefully i did so in time
09:39 PM roycroft: and blah
09:40 PM roycroft: they cancelled the sealing wax and did not cancel the clamps
09:40 PM roycroft: i did not cancel in time, i guess
09:40 PM roycroft: oh well, the ones i get will be useful, but now i have to place another order for the sealing wax + other stuff to get free shipping
09:43 PM XXCoder: doh
09:44 PM roycroft: i guess that means i'll have to order the ones i wanted to pad the order
09:44 PM roycroft: and then i'll have more
09:44 PM XXCoder: order some plastic stock and stuff
09:44 PM XXCoder: nice way to round up for future use
09:45 PM roycroft: i'm going to start making machine badges by etching brass sheet
09:45 PM roycroft: and archivist suggested i use sealing wax for the infill of the etched areas
09:45 PM roycroft: so that's what i'm going to try out
09:46 PM roycroft: i want to design a badge for my brew system control panel as well, and have been debating how to do that
09:46 PM roycroft: etched brass with infill i think would look great
09:46 PM roycroft: it's something i really want to learn how to do well
09:47 PM XXCoder: I do want to cast stuff
09:47 PM XXCoder: but doubt I will
09:49 PM XXCoder: https://3dprint.com/50550/cold-casting-3d-prints-metal/
09:49 PM roycroft: i'm interested in casting
09:49 PM roycroft: very interested
09:49 PM roycroft: but realistically i probably won't ever get around to it
09:49 PM roycroft: so much to do and so little time
09:49 PM XXCoder: I have only little to do but I also has almost nonexistant willpower to do stuff
09:50 PM roycroft: i'm better off establishing a relationship with a foundery and sending them patterns when i need castings
09:50 PM roycroft: HA
09:50 PM roycroft: i just requested cancellation again of the clamps
09:50 PM roycroft: and this time it went through
09:50 PM roycroft: now i can order what i really want
09:55 PM XXCoder: :)
09:55 PM roycroft: they're getting annoying at amazon
09:55 PM roycroft: they are *really* pushing amazon prime
09:56 PM roycroft: to the extent that a lot of stuff is "eligible for prime" but not "eligible for free shipping on orders over $25"
09:57 PM roycroft: i've found that if i put stuff in my cart that is not eligile for free shipping, but for prime, and go through the checkout up to the point that it totals everything including shipping, then go back and delete the items that are not eligible for free shipping, if i add them again they almost always are
09:57 PM roycroft: so basically i have to set up the order twice to get the free shipping
09:57 PM roycroft: i'm almost never in a hurry to get stuff, so i have no interest in prime if i can get free slow boat shipping
09:58 PM XXCoder: ugh
09:58 PM roycroft: why give them extra money when i don't have to?
09:59 PM Roguish: roycroft: 'cause they have better movies and stuff than Netflix
09:59 PM roycroft: i'm not sure about that
09:59 PM roycroft: but it might be something worth investigating
10:00 PM roycroft: i do have a netflix account
10:01 PM roycroft: it looks like that is not included in prime
10:01 PM roycroft: you have to pay extra for the video content
10:03 PM roycroft: oh, i see
10:03 PM roycroft: one can order prime video for $8.99/month, without any of the other prime benefits
10:03 PM roycroft: or full prime for $10.99/month, which includes the video content
10:04 PM roycroft: perhaps i'll wait until i need something right away, and then sign up for the free 30 day trial, and figure out if it's worth it or not
10:33 PM CaptHindsight: http://blendercam.blogspot.com/p/blender-cam-description.html anyone tried this yet? opinions?
10:35 PM CaptHindsight: looks like develo0pment was active for a couple of years and has gone silent since Jan of last year
10:38 PM dioz: yo can anyone tell me the difference i'd see when the standing pilot furnace is calling vs. not calling?