#linuxcnc Logs
Jun 02 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:10 AM zeeshan: jt-mobile northern ontario
12:21 AM IchGucksLive: does someone know if i need sudo for the xset on debian
01:21 AM Crom: new J R R Tolkien book coming out Thursday... Written 1916..
01:22 AM Crom: I don't think so for xset
01:34 AM Crom: https://superuser.com/questions/837058/stop-screensaver-and-lock-session-on-debian-by-command-line
01:45 AM yadok: Hi, I was just wondering if anyone could answer a question about the mesa boards. Is there any reason to go for a 5i25 over a 6i25 or are they basically the same software-wise?
01:46 AM Crom: I'm so not familiar with Mesa's
01:46 AM yadok: Ah ok, I'm looking at them to replace a Dynapath Delta 20 on a mill
01:47 AM yadok: So analog servos etc
01:48 AM Crom: I'm running ebay parallel port BOB and JMC-Motor.com iHSS57-36-20 integrated closed loop steppers
01:51 AM yadok: Hmm I've never seen those before
01:52 AM yadok: Are they just a step dir interface?
01:52 AM Crom: they're relatively new
01:53 AM Crom: yep... output a alarm if they get too far behind (activate Estop if wired up right) also output a signal when on station (PED)
01:54 AM Crom: They just came out with a 3Nm NEMA24 (which fits a NEMA23 mount)
01:55 AM yadok: That'd be nice for something like a printer
01:56 AM Crom: I like them since basically I'm no longer loosing steps
01:56 AM Crom: and they are so quick!
01:57 AM Crom: open loop stepper you basically have to go for a bigger than you need stepper to keep from loosing steps..
01:59 AM yadok: Yeah, you'd be able to load them much more, that'd help the top speed
02:00 AM yadok: I wonder how they compare to servos at that point
02:00 AM Crom: $121 for the 3Nm the 2Nm is just a bit less and the 1Nm is like $10 less than the 2Nm... so I'd just get 3Nm...
02:01 AM Crom: top speed depends on your step generation...
02:01 AM Crom: I'm running them 800 steps rev... I get to around 1200rpm... I have sucky step generation rates
02:02 AM yadok: Yeah, that's not too bad still for a stepper
02:04 AM Crom: I had it up to 141in min
02:04 AM archivist_herron: servo should always be better than stepper
02:05 AM Crom: my steppers are 1/2 to a 1/3 of the price of servo's
02:07 AM yadok: Yeah, sounds fairly nice in that price bracket
02:07 AM archivist_herron: yadok, it is a bit early for the main mesa card people to be in here
02:09 AM yadok: Oh, when are they usually on?
02:09 AM archivist_herron: JT is first up then PCW later
02:10 AM archivist_herron: about 3-4 hours
02:11 AM yadok: Ok then, Thanks for that. I'll try again in awhile
02:23 AM Deejay: moin
02:24 AM Crom: Morning Deejay
02:27 AM Crom: nite nite...
02:30 AM archivist_herron: Phiplii, what I forgot to tell you yesterday, walks
02:31 AM roycroft: jt is on holidays, so he's here intermittently
04:45 AM XXCoder: boo
04:56 AM JesusAlos: Hi All
04:56 AM XXCoder: hey
04:56 AM JesusAlos: I have a problem with parport
04:57 AM JesusAlos: Doesn t recfognize inputs
04:57 AM JesusAlos: only inputs, with outputs not problem
04:57 AM JesusAlos: I try with PCI card and the result is the same
04:59 AM JesusAlos: I mean, with integrate motherboard parport I can control outputs, but can-t read inputs.
04:59 AM JesusAlos: I mount a new PCI parport card and the result is the same
05:02 AM JesusAlos: loadrt hal_parport cfg="0 out"
05:02 AM JesusAlos: can be the "out" the problem_
05:03 AM JesusAlos: ?
05:07 AM XXCoder: depends on defineition of "out"
05:07 AM XXCoder: is it output from computer to device or is it output from device
05:08 AM JesusAlos: The output from computer to device, works well.
05:11 AM JesusAlos: the problem is the computer don-t read outputs from machine to computer
05:14 AM JesusAlos: Can be a BIOS problem?
05:19 AM TurBoss: JesusAlos: try to put the parpot address in the hal file
05:20 AM TurBoss: dmesg | grep parport
05:20 AM TurBoss: to get the address
05:20 AM TurBoss: or works fine?
05:20 AM TurBoss: with "0"? :D
05:20 AM JesusAlos: I have the parport dir
05:21 AM JesusAlos: 1c00 is the PCI parpot
05:22 AM TurBoss: do you have "0x1c00 out" in your hal file?
05:22 AM JesusAlos: 0x378 is the integrated motherboard parport
05:22 AM JesusAlos: yes
05:22 AM TurBoss: and what kind of pci board is that
05:23 AM JesusAlos: the problem is with both parport.
05:23 AM TurBoss: I have 2 and works fine :-)
05:24 AM JesusAlos: sure
05:24 AM TurBoss: mcs9865?
05:24 AM JesusAlos: i think is a motherboard problem
05:24 AM JesusAlos: I don-t know
05:25 AM JesusAlos: don-t know the brand
05:25 AM TurBoss: lspci -v?
05:25 AM JesusAlos: yes, print the dir
05:25 AM TurBoss: ok
05:25 AM JesusAlos: 01:00.0 Serial controller: Device 1c00:3250 (rev 10) (prog-if 05 [16850])
05:25 AM JesusAlos: Subsystem: Device 1c00:3250
05:25 AM JesusAlos: Flags: fast devsel, IRQ 16
05:25 AM JesusAlos: I/O ports at e000 [size=256]
05:25 AM JesusAlos: Memory at d0708000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=32K]
05:25 AM JesusAlos: I/O ports at e100 [size=4]
05:25 AM JesusAlos: Expansion ROM at d0700000 [disabled] [size=32K]
05:25 AM JesusAlos: Capabilities: <access denied>
05:25 AM JesusAlos: this one
05:26 AM XXCoder: try sudo lspici -v
05:27 AM JesusAlos: the result is the last command
05:27 AM TurBoss: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WCH
05:28 AM TurBoss: could be this one?
05:28 AM JesusAlos: similar, different brand
05:29 AM JesusAlos: I mean, is the PCIE like the picture, but another brand
05:29 AM TurBoss: oh ok
05:30 AM JesusAlos: I think don-t is a PCI card problem, because it happens on the PCI integrated also
05:31 AM TurBoss: ok
05:32 AM JesusAlos: thank
06:11 AM XXCoder: wow
06:11 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg__B6Ca3jc
06:12 AM XXCoder: someone made a fairly weak waterjet from pressure washer
06:12 AM XXCoder: can cut thinner alum wood and styff
07:10 AM DrippityDrops: good morning all you metal manipulators
07:26 AM DrippityDrops1 is now known as DrippityDrops
07:52 AM DrippityDrops1 is now known as DrippityDrops
08:08 AM Loetmichel: hmm... i have some blueprints of the navvy ship i served on... anone thinks a total beginner can use F360 fo make a 3d model of a bunch of A0 plans with tears of frames on them?
08:09 AM Loetmichel: or is that too ambitiouus for a beginner project in said CAD?
08:23 AM Hawku: Loetmichel: you might want to make some smaller projects first
08:26 AM Hawku: Loetmichel: maybe split the project in small parts and redesign one part few times, until you find the fastest ways around the software
08:48 AM gregcnc: happy donut day in the US?
08:48 AM TurBoss: wow
09:08 AM Todd_Z_: I didn't get a donut? Where is mine?
09:09 AM gregcnc: http://tinyurl.com/y7kk8tdu
09:09 AM archivist_herron: doughnuts not a spelling error :)
09:10 AM roycroft: donut correct spelling on irc
09:12 AM archivist_herron: I blame Melvil Dewey for all the missing letters
09:12 AM gregcnc: ain't nobody got time for all those letters
09:17 AM archivist_herron: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvil_Dewey#Other_Reforms_and_the_Lake_Placid_Club
09:18 AM roycroft: i dislike his book cataloging system
09:18 AM roycroft: i like his advocacy for metrification
09:18 AM roycroft: i'm meh about his spelling reform attempts
09:21 AM archivist_herron: the cataloguing system I started using but gave up as full text search can be just as easy
09:22 AM archivist_herron: and many books can fit in more than one dewey number
09:22 AM roycroft: my personal library has over 3000 books now
09:22 AM archivist_herron: I understand... :)
09:22 AM roycroft: i had to do something with it
09:23 AM roycroft: i have it mostly cataloged now, using the library of congress system, which makes a lot more sense to me than dewey's
09:23 AM archivist_herron: http://www.collection.archivist.info/
09:27 AM roycroft: i've been using mediawiki to organize some data, and i find it quite useful, but i'm not sure it would be ideal for a large store of electronic documents
09:27 AM TurBoss: I use seeddms
09:28 AM archivist_herron: I was spening too much searching time so now all locations have barcodes and there are live maps to find stuff
09:28 AM archivist_herron: spending
09:28 AM roycroft: i use the readerware suite to electronically catalog my books, dvds, and cds
09:28 AM roycroft: less than ideal, but it works pretty well
09:29 AM archivist_herron: mine is php
09:29 AM roycroft: and it stores everything in mysql databases, so i can write my own custom queries to do things the software does not
09:30 AM archivist_herron: I use mysql too and have an educational debug mode to explain some mysql
09:30 AM archivist_herron: http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=621.37&errlev=3
09:30 AM roycroft: i prefer postgresql for database stuff, but readerware uses what it uses
09:31 AM roycroft: i'm not familiar with seeddms
09:31 AM archivist_herron: I migrated the search from paradox
09:32 AM TurBoss: its a document manager
09:32 AM TurBoss: I use it for my designs
09:32 AM TurBoss: like alfresco
09:32 AM roycroft: yes, i'm looking at it now
09:32 AM roycroft: i have to leave for work in a moment, so i won't be able to spend any time on it until later
09:33 AM TurBoss: cu
09:33 AM roycroft: it does look interesting though
09:34 AM TurBoss: it has a online demo
11:21 AM roycroft: i've pretty much decided on 5c as my collet system of choice for my lathe
11:22 AM roycroft: are there big differences in quality between the no-name collets and the expensive ones?
11:22 AM roycroft: the price differential can be significant
11:23 AM cradek: get a cheap imported set of all the sizes, and then get a good one for the size you use all the time
11:24 AM roycroft: that's what i'm thinking
11:24 AM roycroft: even a "cheap" set is going to run $300
11:25 AM roycroft: of course right now all i need is to design the drawers that will hold the collets so i can build my cabinets
11:26 AM cradek: I find the limited size range of 5Cs to be annoying
11:27 AM cradek: seems like I encounter a lot of stock that doesn't go in the collet freely when it's open
11:27 AM roycroft: it requires a lot of collets
11:27 AM roycroft: and that's one of the things i considered
11:27 AM roycroft: but 5c is the easiest collet to use on a milling machine
11:27 AM roycroft: and having that versatility is appealing
11:28 AM cradek: you mean in an indexer or something?
11:28 AM roycroft: yes
11:28 AM cradek: yeah that's nice
11:28 AM roycroft: either a spin indexer, or those square or hex fixed indexers
11:28 AM archivist: I use morse collets for indexing in the rotary
11:28 AM cradek: I have the square/hex set and have used it only a couple times, but it was useful
11:28 AM cradek: it was super cheap
11:29 AM roycroft: i don't have a rotary table
11:29 AM roycroft: it's on my list of things to obtain, but i've not needed on e often
11:29 AM roycroft: and i anticipate making gears would be my most common use, and i can do that with a spin idexer (with some custom indexing plates)
11:30 AM roycroft: but yes, with a rotary table, morse collets would be best, as the rotary tables have morse tapers
11:30 AM archivist: for gears a rotary means any tooth count with linuxcnc if the rotary is good enough
11:31 AM archivist: and helicals
11:33 AM roycroft: for manual gear cutting, with custom index plates, a spin indexer can do any tooth count
11:33 AM roycroft: and i would be doing gear cutting on my horizontal mill, which i have no plans to cnc
11:33 AM roycroft: if i want to do helicals, then yes, a rotary table on a vertical mill with linuxcnc is the ticket
11:33 AM enleth: backlash mystery solved
11:34 AM roycroft: what was it?
11:34 AM enleth: the Y nut bolts got loose
11:34 AM roycroft: ha!
11:34 AM enleth: it was tipping back and forth under the saddle
11:34 AM enleth: hope the bolts aren't too buggered up from who knows how long of this happening
11:35 AM enleth: problem is, I now have to take the table off of the damn thing to fix it
11:35 AM roycroft: so now you have an opportunity to clean things up, apply fresh lube, and adjust the gibs
11:36 AM enleth: that would be cool and all if not for the fact that I need to take it apart in two weeks anyway to move it to a new place
11:36 AM roycroft: you should do that every few years you know :)
11:36 AM roycroft: oh, that's not good timing
11:36 AM enleth: and I had it apart down to the smallest screw a year ago
11:36 AM enleth: I took it apart as far as reasonably possible when I got it, the only thing I didn't disassemble was the ball nuts
11:36 AM roycroft: i'll stop trying to make lemonade
11:37 AM enleth: everything else, I put back together myself to be sure it's OK
11:37 AM enleth: so now I have to take the table off to tighten the bolts up, but I'll have to do it again a week from now
11:38 AM enleth: OTOH, I was right, in a way - that couldn't have been the ballscrew, and it wasn't
11:38 AM enleth: the screw itself has so little backlash I can't get a reading with the indicators I have
11:38 AM archivist: in the axis "system" it was
11:39 AM enleth: well, yes, but the screw is fine, which is what matters
11:39 AM enleth: if it was an actual problem with the screw, I'd be - well - screwed
11:39 AM archivist: I have had couplers go
11:39 AM enleth: replacing it would be ridiculously expensive
11:40 AM enleth: now I just have to slide a 200kg chunk of cast iron off of there, then re-adjust the gibs and endstops
11:40 AM enleth: to finish one job due tomorrow
11:40 AM roycroft: it looked like backlash to me
11:41 AM roycroft: but i can understand your not wanting to believe that, knowing your ball screw was tight
11:41 AM enleth: sure it did, just didn't make sense
11:41 AM roycroft: right
11:41 AM roycroft: and now, sadly, it does
11:41 AM roycroft: because it was the bizarro reason
11:42 AM enleth: well, as long as operating with those bolts loose didn't damage the threads, it's not so bad
11:42 AM roycroft: sounds like it's a couple hours or more work to fix it
11:42 AM Deejay: re
11:42 AM enleth: an hour actually, as soon as I start doing it, I just can't get myself to begin
11:43 AM roycroft: plus the hour of procrastination and talking about it on irc :)
11:43 AM enleth: BTW, I distinctly remember a side note from the maintenance manual saying that the Y ballnut replacement must be done strictly according to the manual or "serious alignment problems will occur"
11:44 AM enleth: but that was probably about drilling and reaming holes for new alignment pegs
11:47 AM enleth: OK, actually, first I have to find the balancer and chains for the engine hoist
11:50 AM enleth: problem is, the chains are not on the hoist, which means they might have fallen off and dropped on the floor
11:51 AM enleth: in a closed that got flooded with shit from a backed-up toilet in the next room, just last Friday
11:51 AM enleth: *closet
11:52 AM Loetmichel: enleth: classic case of "buy new ones, even if you recover the old ones, the imagined stink CANT be washed off"
11:57 AM enleth: it's 18:30 on Friday, I'd have to waste 2h to go to a big name hardware store to get new chains right now
11:57 AM enleth: I found one of them
11:58 AM enleth: maybe the other one is around too
12:11 PM enleth: well, it's right there
12:11 PM enleth: exactly in the middle of a puddle of half-drier shit
12:11 PM enleth: *dried
12:12 PM roycroft: eew
12:13 PM enleth: it can't be washed off
12:13 PM enleth: but I have a blowtorch
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: rewaly bad weather here in germany
12:27 PM * Deejay wants bad weather, too
12:27 PM Deejay: its too hot here :/
12:28 PM Deejay: and to dry. need rain. lots of rain
12:28 PM Deejay: immediately
12:29 PM Deejay: believe me. its true. no fake! ;)
12:29 PM Deejay: </trumpmode>
12:48 PM Vitran: I got a question. I am looking at this and I can't figure out one of the wires
12:48 PM Vitran: http://i.imgur.com/IOKa9tS.png
12:48 PM Vitran: What is the 10PL-10? It goes to something saying K5 Ia<Ix
12:49 PM Vitran: it is a DC servo drive
12:49 PM Vitran: for the spindle
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: Vitran: its the Error Relai
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: so this connects to mashine stop if it dedacts a failue
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: Vitran: you can go pos or negativ logic
12:56 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: Vitran: only if drive is internal ready the enable signal will go throu enable
01:01 PM Vitran: I have never seen this before
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: its a manuell safty chain
01:02 PM Vitran: So then 10PL-10 will change state if there is a flaw?
01:02 PM Vitran: *error?
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: on that wirer setup it will not enable the drive if on sturtup somthing fails
01:04 PM Vitran: 10PL-10 is an input to the PLC then, no?
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: no its the Drive enable wirer that comes from the controll
01:09 PM Vitran: So, power from 7 goes to 106 and 10PL-20. That connects to a relay to get the 24V to the enable. But if someone tries to enable the servo when 72 doesn't have power, then 110 gives an output signal?
01:09 PM Vitran: Is that wrong?
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: 110 has the Output signal as pulses flow
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: its the RPM
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: index if i see it correct
01:15 PM IchGucksLive: no only the pulses enable signall return
01:15 PM Vitran: This is making a bit more sense now.
01:19 PM Crom: morning
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: im off next week there is education fly out-> teatchers going to holiday with studens
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: im not involved
01:22 PM Vitran: Thank you for the help
01:29 PM enleth: got the table off in 15 minutes after 30 minutes of cleaning and disinfecting the chain
01:29 PM enleth: now to find some loctite to never have those screws come loose again
01:45 PM TurBoss: is there a way to know if machine has moved X mmin python component or I should be comparing the traveled distance?
01:48 PM TurBoss: ok I found this : linuxcnc.positionlogger
02:11 PM TurBoss: AXIS is now a part of EMC2, not a separate source download. 11 years ago
02:11 PM TurBoss: wow
02:16 PM cradek: Vitran: guessing it's an overload output
02:16 PM ttuner is now known as toxx
02:16 PM cradek: can we see the whole page?
02:48 PM enleth: well, it just got worse
02:48 PM enleth: I tightened down the Y nut bolts, but the nut block still rocks back and forth
02:49 PM enleth: it might have actually damaged the alignment pins or pin sockets
02:50 PM enleth: however, to verify this, I have to dismantle half of the machine
02:53 PM enleth: or maybe not?
02:53 PM enleth: I thought it is still rocking, but I can't feel it anymore
02:53 PM enleth: and the noises the whole thing is making suggests the thrust bearings might be a problem too
03:12 PM enleth: yep, thrust bearings
03:27 PM Crom: I need to find some cheap roller thrust bearings with an id of just over 13mm
03:36 PM Vitran: Another question here. http://i.imgur.com/CfWsJFu.png. I am wondering if I apply power to the 24V or it provides the power
03:37 PM Vitran: To pin 7
03:39 PM Vitran: it seems like the servo logic gets power from the PLC
03:41 PM cradek: "CR" probably goes to a power supply
03:42 PM Vitran: the 10PL is a 25pin D sub connector that goes to the PLC
03:42 PM Vitran: so all those wires are going to the PLC
03:43 PM cradek: it's hard to tell much without the whole page
03:43 PM cradek: or maybe all the pages...
03:43 PM cradek: the +-15 isn't shown as hooked up here, but I bet it is
03:44 PM cradek: might be on another page, or just assumed
03:44 PM Vitran: http://i.imgur.com/DVgTFcL.png
03:45 PM Vitran: This is the whole page
03:45 PM Vitran: All the PLC ports are PL##
03:50 PM cradek: I can't tell
03:50 PM cradek: maybe the +24/+12/-12 power supply is in AXIS DRIVE UNIT
03:51 PM cradek: powered by the weird 165v input
03:51 PM Vitran: I was thinking that, but then the enable would be automatically on
03:52 PM cradek: there are lots of other enables it might use
03:53 PM Vitran: I am also unsure what the "Drive Ready Relays" are, or how to use the pins COM, NC COM, and NO.
03:53 PM Vitran: they are on the lower right of the axis drive unit
03:54 PM cradek: I agree you can't tell from this
03:55 PM Vitran: I'll wire it without and see what happens when I power it on. If it has 24V, then I'm good
03:55 PM cradek: ideally you'd have docs for the drive unit, not how this machine wired it
03:58 PM Crom: 166v? sounds close to 3phase 177v
03:58 PM Deejay: gn8
03:58 PM Crom: if there is purple wire then yes it's 177v
03:59 PM Crom: Night DeeJay
03:59 PM Vitran: its a hardinge superslant
04:22 PM JT-Mobile: howdy from dry Hope Arkansas
04:23 PM Crom: dry as in now rain or dry as in no booze
04:23 PM JT-Mobile: the latter
04:33 PM phipli: accidentally, or intentionally
04:37 PM CaptHindsight: I never trust a town that doesn't drink
04:37 PM malcom2073: Usually means they hold on to... other odd beliefs
04:39 PM Vitran: Uncle had a story about a town called Old Lyme in the US. It didn't have any road signs. At the town hall meetings they bring up adding new signage. The counter is that everyone in Old Lyme knows the road names so the only ones who would need it are the people that maybe shouldn't be in Old Lyme
04:39 PM Vitran: But that was from the 50s. No idea if the town has changed
04:39 PM malcom2073: Probably died off
04:40 PM roycroft: i guess you don't trust half of the south, eh?
04:40 PM CaptHindsight: half, most of
04:42 PM * roycroft notes that lynchburg in a dry county, so jack daniels cannot be sold in the county where it's made
04:43 PM roycroft: is in
04:43 PM CaptHindsight: I don't care if the wall is built anywhere under 40th parallel
04:43 PM Crom: bad as dry counties in Texas
04:44 PM Goodlord: man i have got to get this project off the ground
04:45 PM Goodlord: can i install this and run it from a usb ?
04:46 PM phipli: how much of your south is dry!!!?
04:46 PM roycroft: legally, a whole lot of it
04:46 PM roycroft: in reality, virtulaly none of it
04:46 PM phipli: I thought that all changed back after prohibition
04:46 PM phipli: crazy talk
04:47 PM phipli: what do they do after work on Fridays?
04:47 PM roycroft: pretend to pray
04:47 PM roycroft: while picking up some 'shine
04:48 PM phipli: omnomnom
04:48 PM roycroft: in dry counties, for the most part, alcohol sales are forbidden, but consumption is not
04:48 PM phipli: where does the law lie with homebrew beer?
04:48 PM roycroft: so most folks just go to the nearest wet county to buy their booze
04:48 PM phipli: I guess that answers my question
04:48 PM roycroft: every state in the us now allows homebrewing, but there are still some local restrictions
04:49 PM CaptHindsight: is bathing in ethanol allowed?
04:49 PM roycroft: georgia and mississippi joined the 20th century last year regarding homebrewing
04:49 PM phipli: can you distil for your own consumption?
04:49 PM roycroft: only if it's denatured, i should think
04:49 PM CaptHindsight: nopo
04:49 PM roycroft: home distillation is only legal in new zealand
04:49 PM CaptHindsight: distilling in any quantity requires a license
04:50 PM roycroft: except in new zealand
04:50 PM CaptHindsight: is that new state?
04:50 PM roycroft: it is the only country in the world where home distillation is legal
04:51 PM enleth: I have no idea why it was that way, but I got all the slop out of the thrust bearing set by disassembling it and reassembling again
04:51 PM phipli: CaptHindsight: main reason is tax as far as I can tell
04:51 PM roycroft: yes, phipli
04:51 PM enleth: I may have goofed up and mounted the bearing set backwards, so that it loosened up after some time, and the retaining nut probably got loose
04:51 PM roycroft: enleth: it was that way to annoy you :)
04:51 PM CaptHindsight: yes, obsessed with money
04:52 PM roycroft: i'm glad you got it fixed though
04:52 PM enleth: but it's the way it should be now, I can't measure any backlash with a 0.01mm indicator
04:52 PM roycroft: hopefully you did not have to do too much poo rinsing as part of the proceess
04:52 PM phipli: archivist: due to external factors, we are probably now planning to visit your big engine on Sunday
04:52 PM enleth: just the chain
04:52 PM roycroft: and i assume you have a hose and could do that from a distance
04:53 PM roycroft: or that you have underlings to do it for you
04:53 PM enleth: the hose was on the floor too
04:53 PM roycroft: of course
04:53 PM roycroft: sometimes poo happens and you have to deal with it
04:53 PM enleth: but that's just the aftermath
04:54 PM enleth: when it happened a week ago, I had to don a pair of galoshes and sweep it all back into the bathroom with an old broom to make the hallway passable
04:54 PM CaptHindsight: I find it more comfortable sitting in an air conditioned shop wasting time online than not AC'd
04:55 PM enleth: at some point, I accidentally let go of the broomhandle and it started falling for the floor
04:55 PM enleth: I was already turning around to fetch another broom before it hit the floor, didn't even have to suppress the grabbing reflex
04:59 PM enleth: https://hackerspace.pl/~implr/kibel2.jpg - and that's how the bathroom door looks like now, as the weather forecast predicts more intense rainstorms
04:59 PM enleth: extreme circumstances require extreme measures
05:00 PM CaptHindsight: seems to make the bathroom less accessible that way
05:01 PM CaptHindsight: 2-way toilet?
05:01 PM CaptHindsight: depending on the amount of rain
05:02 PM roycroft: welding it up would have been more fun :)
05:02 PM enleth: yes, the toilet is quite a bit less accessible from the hallway for whomever might want to use it
05:03 PM roycroft: but expanding foam gets the job done
05:03 PM enleth: however, the hallways is quite a bit less accessible from the toilet as well, for whatever might want to emerge from within
05:03 PM enleth: which is rather more important in this case
05:03 PM CaptHindsight: oh Walmart is starting home delivery
05:04 PM roycroft: better to have a bathroom full of poo and a hallway full of people than vice versa
05:04 PM CaptHindsight: so now I can have my cheap crap delivered right to my door in minutes
05:04 PM enleth: roycroft: that's a wooden door, if it were steel, I'd have welded it
05:04 PM enleth: but I screwed it to the frame before applying foam
05:04 PM roycroft: capthindsight: walmart are going to have employees "volunteer" to do the home deliveries on their way home after their shifts
05:05 PM roycroft: so think twice about that, please
05:05 PM enleth: considered leaving the knob handle unplugged as an early warning system, but forgot about later
05:05 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: sounds like good use of slave labor
05:05 PM roycroft: they claim that they will pay their people to do that
05:05 PM enleth: *knob handle hole
05:05 PM roycroft: but their track record suggests otherwise
05:05 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: so what was a 10 minute drive for some to a from work will now be 6 hours :)
05:05 PM roycroft: also
05:06 PM roycroft: would you trust a walmart employee to deliver your stuff to you?
05:06 PM CaptHindsight: just beer in cans
05:06 PM CaptHindsight: maybe socks
05:07 PM CaptHindsight: I'd prefer to know when they are on the roads to avoid being on the same roads
05:08 PM XXCoder: enleth: sealing restroom door? why?
05:09 PM CaptHindsight: it was something of a poo filled water park
05:13 PM CaptHindsight: good paying work for teens http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/06/this-anti-aging-start-up-is-paying-thousands-of-dollars-for-teen-blood
05:13 PM BitEvil: The study that initially did that work was largely misquoted IIRC
05:13 PM BitEvil: the benefits do not come from transfused blood.
05:14 PM BitEvil: They come from sewing two mice together so they share one circulatory system.
05:14 PM CaptHindsight: yeah but what person wants to be sewn to a mouse?
05:14 PM enleth: XXCoder: the rain drainage system backed up into the sewage pipes and turned the crappers into very shitty fountains
05:14 PM XXCoder: so random.
05:14 PM BitEvil: Implying that the young mice have something that protects the old mice - could for example be better handling of toxins in the liver
05:15 PM BitEvil: A body transplant would be an interesting test of that.
05:15 PM CaptHindsight: once we start printing replacement organs we can start swapping them to see the results
05:15 PM enleth: XXCoder: flooded the hallway, elevator shaft and one room with shit, and the whole restroom got covered with it
05:15 PM CaptHindsight: brains would be handy
05:16 PM XXCoder: ouch
05:16 PM Crom: I want nanobots!
05:16 PM roycroft: i could use me some teen spirit
05:16 PM enleth: so I sweeped it up back in there and sealed it good in case another rainstorm causes more flooding
05:16 PM XXCoder: isnt that will cause the fun kind of mold, black mold?
05:16 PM CaptHindsight: BitEvil: what have been the results of liver transplants?
05:17 PM enleth: we're leaving this place in two weeks and it's going to be demolished in two months anyway
05:17 PM XXCoder: ahh
05:17 PM enleth: so I don't give a - pardon me - shit
05:17 PM BitEvil: I was meaning for example.
05:17 PM XXCoder: yeah you already have too much shit lol
05:17 PM enleth: I don't want another flooding on the day we're moving out
05:17 PM CaptHindsight: BitEvil: probably good since the replaced liver w, but has there been any replacements done just for age, new for oldas shot
05:17 PM Crom: what's an extra 5#'s of nanobots in your body... adding carbon fiber to your tenons and bones... renovating cells to have long tails(the age of cell thingis.. tellians?
05:18 PM enleth: and I don't care if the restroom fills up against the ceiling as long as the door holds
05:18 PM CaptHindsight: w/was shot
05:18 PM BitEvil: CaptHindsight: no.
05:18 PM enleth: I can prop it up against the opposite wall if it comes to that
05:18 PM BitEvil: CaptHindsight: a body transplant would be a 'brute force' option - swapping out pretty much all that could be wrong bar the brain
05:19 PM CaptHindsight: Crom: telomeres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomere
05:19 PM Crom: yeah them...
05:20 PM XXCoder: if guy have body transplant then brain transplant, is it still same person?
05:20 PM CaptHindsight: define person
05:20 PM CaptHindsight: what if identical twins swap bodies?
05:21 PM CaptHindsight: what if it's done pre-birth?
05:21 PM CaptHindsight: what if one has a good brain but a bad body and the other just the opposite?
05:22 PM CaptHindsight: do you make one good one from the two?
05:23 PM CaptHindsight: or if you clone yourself at a young age and put the clone on a spaceship that travels near the speed of light?
05:23 PM CaptHindsight: then when you get older the clobe comes back and you swap bodies
05:23 PM CaptHindsight: clobe/clone
05:24 PM CaptHindsight: will god be angry? :)
05:25 PM Vitran: If you did, it would likely be something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfYbgdo8e-8
05:25 PM Vitran: The people wouldn't feel too much difference between the two
05:26 PM Vitran: Dang, sorry, I went a little too tangential there. I was thinking of swapping minds
05:29 PM CaptHindsight: what about joining two different brains into one?
05:29 PM Vitran: There is a two headed person
05:29 PM CaptHindsight: Half Wits: Championship https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIP55N7omsA
05:30 PM Vitran: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abby_and_Brittany_Hensel
05:31 PM XXCoder: Vitran: yeah its weird. I wonder if theres a way to bridge in such way that seziure is unable to cross but normal signals can
05:35 PM XXCoder: Vitran: https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_1667488101&feature=iv&src_vid=wfYbgdo8e-8&v=JQVmkDUkZT4
05:39 PM phipli: I hear other brain me is a bastard
05:43 PM Vitran: But are we talking to the right you right now?
05:44 PM phipli: no, the left
06:10 PM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
06:20 PM TekniQue_ is now known as TekniQue
07:22 PM JT-Mobile: what's up
07:25 PM XXCoder: yo
07:25 PM JT-Mobile: last day on the road tomorrow
07:25 PM XXCoder: watching 8 bit guy restore old nes and atari cardiges
07:26 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QJChsouvTI
07:30 PM JT-Mobile: we have 300 miles left to go tomorrow
07:30 PM JT-Mobile: it will be so nice to sleep in my bed lol
07:30 PM XXCoder: :) always is.
07:30 PM JT-Mobile: Tom_L, is that you cutting threads on the mailing list?
07:59 PM tiwake: didnt even bother to swing by my place
07:59 PM tiwake: or even DFW area
08:29 PM M-comrade: anyone here with machinekit experience?
08:30 PM M-comrade: i'm getting this error when running linuxcnc/machinekit
08:30 PM XXCoder: heretic!!!
08:30 PM XXCoder: heh
08:30 PM M-comrade: Cape "cape-bebopr-brdg" with EEPROM in slot 0 is not active
08:30 PM M-comrade: well, is there a way to run linuxcnc with BeBoPr?
08:30 PM M-comrade: cause my understanding was that i HAVE to use machinekit
08:30 PM XXCoder: bebopr?
08:31 PM M-comrade: beaglebone black cape
08:31 PM M-comrade: http://elinux.org/BeBoPr%2B%2B
08:31 PM M-comrade: i connect polulu drivers to it, and the stepper motors to the BeBoBr
08:32 PM XXCoder: I dont know of that one maybe someone does
08:35 PM malcom2073: M-comrade: You'd likely be best off on the machinekit mailing list
08:36 PM M-comrade: ah
08:36 PM M-comrade: alright
08:36 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1MAg0UAAHg seems to be decent video so far https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1MAg0UAAHg
08:36 PM malcom2073: I've used machinekit, but I used the pmdx cape
08:36 PM XXCoder: its about launch loops
09:09 PM roycroft: i finally finished checking my spindle, and there is no detectable end play nor any detectable radial movement when i pry it with a big piece of wood
09:11 PM roycroft: i was turning a largeish (2-3/4") piece of round bar though, and i get a whole lot of chatter and vibration when i attempt to do so - and the vibration seems to amplify if i let the cutter sit in place touching the work
09:12 PM XXCoder: is it type where tool holder is using set screw to stay on spindle ? that might not be perfectly center
09:12 PM roycroft: i have that power twist belt now - i think i'll do a belt change this weekend to see if that helps
09:13 PM roycroft: i have a quick change tool holder, and the tool tip is pretty much dead on center
09:13 PM roycroft: and i was supporting the end of the bar with the tailstock
09:13 PM XXCoder: cool. mine do use a set screw and it isnt perfectly center
09:13 PM roycroft: the bar is only 8" long
09:13 PM XXCoder: so i wondered if yours was same. it isnt
09:13 PM roycroft: but it's heavy enough that i thought that supporting it woudl be a good idea
09:14 PM roycroft: the bar is more oval shaped than round, and that may be part of what i'm dealing with
09:14 PM roycroft: the diameter differs by about 0.010"
09:14 PM XXCoder: no lathe to circularize it?
09:14 PM XXCoder: .01"? pretty large
09:14 PM roycroft: yes
09:14 PM roycroft: the goal is to make an exact replica of my spindle nose with this piece of round bar
09:15 PM roycroft: so that when i make the face plate for my 4 jaw i can test the fit on the replica
09:15 PM roycroft: since i don't want to remove it while turning it
09:15 PM roycroft: my tool geometry looks good to me
09:15 PM roycroft: and i get nice chips
09:16 PM roycroft: little 6s/9s, that are a light to mid straw color
09:16 PM roycroft: i'll wait until the belts are changed and see if that reduces vibration at all
09:21 PM roycroft: i've also tightened up the cross slide and top slide gibs
09:24 PM roycroft: i might try lowering the tool a few thousandths, but i don't think it's too high
09:24 PM roycroft: it's also not dull - i can take facing cuts just fine with it
09:25 PM roycroft: and there's no nib when i face, so i do think it's well-centered
09:25 PM XXCoder: hm I wonder if its just vibrations moving it around
09:27 PM roycroft: i haven't checked the idler shaft at all
09:27 PM roycroft: if its bearings are bad or not adjusted properly that wouldn't affect accuracy of the spindle, of course, but it could amplify motor vibration
09:28 PM roycroft: that will be something to check when i cut the belts off this weekend
09:31 PM * roycroft decides it's time to fire up the barbie
09:35 PM enleth: roycroft: are you using insert tooling?
09:36 PM enleth: roycroft: if so, you might be taking too light a cut
09:40 PM roycroft: no, i am not using insert tooling
09:40 PM roycroft: i'm using a hss tool that i ground
09:40 PM roycroft: i guarantee it's not rubbing anywhere
09:41 PM roycroft: i checked very carefully, because it feels/sounds almost like it's rubbing
09:41 PM roycroft: but it's not
09:42 PM roycroft: anway, i need to deal with dinner right now
09:42 PM roycroft: i'll be cleaning up the headstock and replacing belts tomorrow
09:42 PM roycroft: then i'll see how it runs
09:43 PM roycroft: whenever i swap the motor out for a 3 phase motor the motor vibration should mostly go away anyway
09:48 PM Crom: hmmm 3/16" is 0.020" bigger than a #7hmm 13/16 is only 0.002" bigger than a #7..
09:49 PM Crom: 13/64
10:35 PM Crom: getting 248min rapids right now
10:36 PM Crom: in minutes
10:57 PM XXCoder: Crom: check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFj8odleCM8
10:57 PM XXCoder: he added a flywheel
11:14 PM Crom: sweet!
11:14 PM XXCoder: yeah
11:14 PM XXCoder: I saw one of those at costco https://www.banggood.com/Ultra-thin-12-Inch-LCD-Writing-Tablet-Digital-Drawing-Tablet-Handwriting-Pads-Electronic-Tablet-p-1128774.html
11:14 PM XXCoder: it was $120.
11:15 PM XXCoder: I have https://www.banggood.com/Howshow-4_5-Inch-LCD-Writing-Tablet-Digital-Drawing-Tablet-Handwriting-Ultra-thin-Pad-Board-With-Pen-p-1132025.html
11:15 PM XXCoder: I like it so far
11:19 PM Crom: love the wrenches
11:19 PM XXCoder: tiny ones. yeah
11:20 PM XXCoder: at shop I saw one wrench, its size is looks like 10 inches wide
11:20 PM XXCoder: tool itself is around a meter long
11:22 PM Crom: I've spent all my money for this payday :(
11:23 PM XXCoder: I'm glad I dont live paycheck to paycheck
11:24 PM Crom: grrr/// http://reason.com/blog/2017/06/02/jurors-convict-man-for-telling-jurors-ab
11:25 PM XXCoder: 2 more weeks before I can pay off one of college loans
11:25 PM XXCoder: leaving just 2 in that set
11:26 PM XXCoder: feedback loop is really wiping out loans pretty fast.