May 25 2017
12:08 AM Cromaglious_: Marko!
12:36 AM roycroft: i'm pleased with tonight's progress
12:36 AM roycroft: my lathe is leveled to within 0.001"
12:36 AM roycroft: and the tailstock aligned to 0.0003"
12:37 AM roycroft: but i'm not sure i trust that alignment
12:37 AM roycroft: the dog i made is huge, because the only chunk of steel i had that was wide enough and thick enough was really wide and thick
12:37 AM Cromaglious_: turn something between centers and measure taper
12:38 AM roycroft: and i'm getting a lot of vibration from it
12:38 AM roycroft: that's what i did, cromanglious_
12:38 AM Cromaglious_: hmmm Add counter balance...
12:38 AM tiwake: get a different length and turn it between centers
12:38 AM roycroft: i think i'm getting some vibration from the motor as well
12:39 AM roycroft: i intend to do that, tiwake
12:39 AM roycroft: it's 10pm here
12:39 AM roycroft: so i'm done for the day
12:39 AM roycroft: i don't consider the alignment done, but just started
12:40 AM roycroft: i was pleased that 1. my eyeball alignent of the tailstock was only 0.006" off, and 2. i only had to adjust it once to get it to 0.0003" of taper
12:40 AM roycroft: alignment
12:47 AM IchGucksLive: morning from Germany
12:48 AM IchGucksLive: it's beer day here so most male will be offline today
12:48 AM IchGucksLive: 1liter beer and one bratwurst at 5USD will do the rest
12:50 AM IchGucksLive: have a nice nonbitbreaking day
02:19 AM Deejay: moin
02:22 AM TurBoss: hello
04:58 AM XXCoder: booyah
05:01 AM Deejay: hey
05:01 AM XXCoder: whats up
05:04 AM TurBoss: hi
05:04 AM TurBoss: postprocessing th worldmap
05:04 AM TurBoss: i founs some wooden planks
05:04 AM TurBoss: :D
05:04 AM TurBoss: *found
05:05 AM XXCoder: wooden planks?
05:05 AM XXCoder: ahh to turn into worldmap?
05:05 AM TurBoss: yea
05:05 AM TurBoss: :D
05:06 AM XXCoder: was thinking you found contours of wood planks in worldmap, was thinking damn either I'm mistaken or tur has very good eyesight.
05:06 AM TurBoss: i never played ff7
05:07 AM TurBoss: :P
05:07 AM XXCoder: lol
05:08 AM TurBoss: the strange this is that i wrote some editors for it
05:08 AM TurBoss: :)
05:08 AM TurBoss: *thing
05:09 AM XXCoder: well theres people who wrote software for planes and never rode in one
05:12 AM miss0r: hey guys
05:12 AM TurBoss: o/
05:12 AM XXCoder: hey been a bit
05:12 AM miss0r: yeah, i've been somewhat busy with my EDM build
05:13 AM XXCoder: hows it so far
05:13 AM miss0r: complicated
05:13 AM miss0r: XXCoder: http://picpaste.com/20170518_222120-XSWTvMwZ.jpg
05:14 AM XXCoder: lovely design
05:14 AM TurBoss: :O
05:16 AM miss0r: as i said - complicated :D
05:16 AM XXCoder: I really need to work on my machine but I cant focus at all :(
05:18 AM miss0r: whats up with it? I could use a distraction for the next 10 minuts (just need to cool down in here before getting back to gardenwork)
05:18 AM XXCoder: I need to set cabinet for it
05:18 AM XXCoder: Im still not sure what surface to use to mount stuff
05:18 AM XXCoder: I'm using 2020s to make box
05:19 AM miss0r: 2020 aluminum extrutions?
05:19 AM XXCoder: yeah
05:19 AM miss0r: ahh. an enclosure to keep chips inside?
05:19 AM XXCoder: outside actually lol
05:19 AM miss0r: for the controller then?
05:20 AM XXCoder: its to hold electrics like BOB 3 tb660s PSUs so on
05:20 AM miss0r: indeed
05:20 AM miss0r: is it realy that cheap to use 2020, so you can't go out and but a cabinet?
05:20 AM miss0r: but=buy*
05:20 AM XXCoder: well yes and no, just wanted 2020s LOL
05:21 AM XXCoder: if you stay below 550mm you can buy em pretty cheaply
05:21 AM miss0r: Personally I would probally use a 2.5mm thick galvanized metal plate in the back for mounting on. In that you can easily tap up to 5mm threads
05:22 AM miss0r: And then use insulating spacers for stuff that is not insulated
05:23 AM miss0r: that or you could go into 'full retard protection mode' and idiot proof it with a 8 or 10mm pom plate
05:24 AM XXCoder: interesting
05:24 AM XXCoder: say for example
05:24 AM XXCoder: I want to mount BOB and it has offset mount
05:24 AM XXCoder: do it need isulation?
05:25 AM miss0r: do you have a picture or link to product?
05:25 AM XXCoder: or maybe 400w spindle pwm board
05:25 AM TurBoss: post finished
05:25 AM TurBoss: hurray
05:26 AM XXCoder: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-5-Axes-CNC-Breakout-Board-w-Optical-Coupler-For-MACH3-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Top-Sale/32613450926.html
05:26 AM XXCoder: example\
05:26 AM miss0r: basically your cabinet will act as an insulator. You just need to ground the 2020s and make sure all other metal parts that could potentially connect the inside of the cabinet to the outside(conductive material) is grounded too
05:26 AM miss0r: That board would be just fine with some insulating spacers
05:27 AM XXCoder: just wire from one of frame sides to GROUND on one of psus?
05:28 AM miss0r: That could work. The best idea imo, is to take the ground directly from the cable that supplys the cabinet, and have that connected to a junction, from where you have ground/PE wires connecting all the psus, the mounting place and the frame all in one
05:29 AM miss0r: it is also reccomendable to ground the negative output from any 24v supplys. _NOT_ the negative from the spindle psu
05:30 AM miss0r: that being said, if you are not an expert on the subject I would realy have to reccomend a plastic cabinet ;)
05:31 AM XXCoder: probably yeah
05:31 AM miss0r: althou, having the steel/alu cabinet grounded is almost as good. In some cases better, as it insulates from RF noise'n stuff
05:32 AM miss0r: I need to get back to doing garden work. I will probally be back later. Leave me a PM if you have a question you think of me fit to answer
05:33 AM XXCoder: no problem, thanks
05:37 AM XXCoder: talking about gardening
05:38 AM XXCoder: my avocodo boat is SLLOWLy growing
05:45 AM archivist_herron: I do not understand "gardening"
05:45 AM XXCoder: its like natural 3d printing
05:45 AM XXCoder: plants grow up
05:45 AM XXCoder: man I still want that farmbot
05:46 AM XXCoder: but insane price
05:49 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Vnxapd5fs
05:49 AM XXCoder: stirling truck
05:52 AM XXCoder: wow found a pdf that has internals and stuff
05:59 AM XXCoder: we have better tech nowdays
05:59 AM XXCoder: I wonder if it could now use some PID setup
05:59 AM XXCoder: so it can use literally any fuel
05:59 AM XXCoder: from gasoline to waste oil
06:56 AM * miss0r just had a mini heartattack!
06:57 AM XXCoder: that gaint wisp attacked?
06:57 AM miss0r: Went to ley my son down for his afternoon nap in the baby carriage. when I opened the lid the biggest fucking wasp i've ever seen just frew out straight at us.
06:58 AM miss0r: it turns out it is a queen, and it had started a hide inside the carriage
06:58 AM XXCoder: so I was essentally correct. LOL
06:58 AM XXCoder: sorry
06:58 AM miss0r: you were yeah :) no worries
06:58 AM miss0r: I have the bee in a glass jar here next to me, trying to decide how I will end it
06:59 AM miss0r: well.. how I will get it out of the jar to end it, without it trying to end me :D
06:59 AM XXCoder: well if its sealed, problem solved.,
07:00 AM XXCoder: evenually.
07:01 AM miss0r: yeah... I just feel like stepping on it
07:04 AM miss0r: damn. Thoes things scare me right to shit
07:04 AM miss0r: back to gardening :D
07:04 AM XXCoder: lol later
07:04 AM XXCoder: hornets scare me. paper wisps pfft wimps
09:07 AM IchGucksLive: hi
09:16 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: ?
09:30 AM miss0r: XXCoder: i just looked up the translation for the one I cought. In english its called a Hornet. Apparently we here in Denmark just got a bunch of them to settle just last year. jeez..
09:39 AM sync: miss0r: hornets are nice
09:57 AM IchGucksLive: till later
10:02 AM gregcnc: I was terrified the first time I saw a Cicada Killer - Sphecius speciosus. they are giant wasps, but are harmless
10:12 AM SpeedEvil: On '3d printing'.
10:12 AM SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vE2AnwJ2Qs - rocket launch nearly 100% succeeds.
10:13 AM SpeedEvil: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=42966.0;attach=1427803;image - mostly 3d printed engine which takes '20 hours' to print.
10:36 AM rwlloyd: afternoon all, I'm after some advice about spindle on off logic withing the hal file for a 5 axis laser. Anybody think they might be able to help?
10:38 AM rwlloyd: I've added this to my custom_postgui.hal, everything starts, but I cant seem to get the spindle pin to go high.... https://pastebin.com/vP8J6YQb
10:42 AM cradek: you can use halmeter, halshow, or halscope to debug this. you should determine which signal is not what you expect
10:43 AM cradek: I'd start by using halmeter to examine the atspeed (output of comp) and goodtogo (output of and2) signals
10:51 AM rwlloyd: I'm on it :) thanks, while ive been playing with linuxcnc for a while, im only just getting to grips with how powerful it actually is.... i really dont see why so many people praise mach3 over this...
10:55 AM rwlloyd: do you have any idea what motion.current-vel is actually measuring? especially with a rotary axis.... im getting values of 0.07 - 0.03 for a reasonably high rotation rate, but fairly slow linear feed. the linear feedrate is F4.6 - F2.2
10:55 AM archivist: teh bible has just arrived "Gleason bevel and hypoid gear design"
10:57 AM archivist: rwlloyd, usually inverse time mode recommended for rotary as it has no idea of radius and therefore surface speed
10:58 AM cradek: rwlloyd: it will be according to the Feed Rate rules: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/machining-center.html#sub:feed-rate
10:58 AM cradek: so if you have a simultaneous XB move, it'll be the velocity of the X component because of rule 1
11:00 AM rwlloyd: YEs, I'm familiar with that I'm just struggling to see how they relate... unless it's converting from mm/min to mm/s... hmmm
11:00 AM rwlloyd: boom, there it is. 4.6/60 = 0.07
11:00 AM cradek: yes if you're in g21 it'll be in mm/s, unless it's pure rotary motion, giving deg/sec
11:01 AM archivist: also it will be constrained by the speed the rotary can achieve
11:01 AM archivist: rotary/slowest axis
11:03 AM rwlloyd: yep. I've wrapped my head around those problems. I'm actually drilling holes around a cone in a spiral pattern with a laser running at 10hz. I'm not using inverse time feed because I didn't understand it when I wrote the script to generate the gcode... ill get round to rewriting it one day
11:04 AM archivist: I never use inverse time on my rotaries either :)
11:05 AM rwlloyd: the problem I have at the moment is the brief pause as the laser turns off is greater than 0.1s between signal being fired and the laser actually closing a shutter. my addition to the hal file is to try and get the laser to shut down during the deceleration at the end of the cycle.
11:06 AM rwlloyd: Don't get me wrong, I use them, but only when I really have to. I'm doing laser cutting, so surface feedrates are critical, even more so on rotary stuff
11:09 AM rwlloyd: by the way, that sounds like a good book....
11:12 AM archivist: now perhaps I can work out where I went wrong http://www.archivist.info/gear/designbevel.php
11:34 AM rwlloyd: oooh... thats nice. Is the php script in the background doing all the calculations?
11:34 AM archivist: yes
11:35 AM archivist: but first attempts have not had quite the correct angle when meshed
11:35 AM rwlloyd: hmmm, i never did learn any php.... starting to get the hang of python though
11:37 AM archivist: you can see the error on the last image http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bevel
11:37 AM rwlloyd: hence the book i take it? That's the good thing about things like this, cleverer people worked it all out long ago and wrote it down!
11:37 AM archivist: yup, then one has to understand interpret and implement
11:38 AM rwlloyd: a lot liek the linuxcnc docs!
11:38 AM rwlloyd: like even
11:38 AM archivist: and then hit the what went wrong and diagnose
11:39 AM archivist: I think it is partly backlash in the rotary giving a narrow tooth space
11:40 AM rwlloyd: are you rotating in both directions?
11:41 AM archivist: both rotaries to turn at the same time then I do a pass, similar/same as gleason
11:41 AM rwlloyd: also, anyone know how to reload the custom hal without restarting linuxcnc? I'm getting sick of rehoming everything....
11:41 AM archivist: to/do
11:42 AM rwlloyd: but they should only turn in one direction.... correct?
11:43 AM archivist: they rotate the blank around the cutter thus generating the involute
11:44 AM archivist: so it is an imaginary cone roll
11:45 AM rwlloyd: BACKLASH=0.whatever in the ini file?
11:46 AM archivist: backlash in the rotary is set to 0 but is not in reality (as most are)
11:46 AM IchGucksLive: hi from Germany
11:47 AM sync: you can usually adjust them very close
11:48 AM archivist: it is as close as possible
11:48 AM archivist: without binding
11:48 AM sync: hm, I have no noticable backlash in my lehmann rotary
11:49 AM archivist: put some cutting force on
11:49 AM sync: I did
11:49 AM sync: it is in spec, I think it moves like 12 arc seconds at 250Nm
11:50 AM archivist: I dont remember if mine has a backlash spec, probably not
11:51 AM IchGucksLive: i use only high precision gearing with raly less backlash at a good price
11:51 AM IchGucksLive: the cheep chia ones got up to almost 1 deg backlash
11:53 AM IchGucksLive: there are alo on the market good cheep double staging planatary gearings
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: even new ones i see on bay com are 65euros
11:59 AM archivist: one should read the log properly to see what we were talking about
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: reading is not the problem understanding the english detail is more difficult
12:07 PM rwlloyd: I'll leave you guys to it.... backlash in rotaries is a cow whatever language you talk. Cheers for the help. no doubt speak again soon, and good luck with the involutes
12:45 PM IchGucksLive: back from BBQ
12:54 PM LeelooMinai: Found out what was wrong with the rail - I think there was some fault in the mounting of support with M5 screws - like the head of M5 was not sufficient with respect to hole size or something like that. Added hardened spring washers and problem solved.
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: always good if a fault ids solved
12:55 PM LeelooMinai: To be fair (to myself:), in the past I has a thought that those aluminum supports were a bit suspicious - did not really like quality of them. Are they always made from aluminum?
12:56 PM LeelooMinai: I had*
12:56 PM IchGucksLive: you can get TBR with steel support
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: and the grinded ones are not longer on market
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: as the HIWIN took over on less price
12:57 PM LeelooMinai: Grinded what? The aluminum supports?
12:58 PM IchGucksLive: no the steel ones
12:58 PM LeelooMinai: I also don't like the cross section of them: http://i.imgur.com/y7PyEy2.png
12:59 PM LeelooMinai: Not sure why it's like that... I would make it flat and just make counter-bored holes for M5s.
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: its best for mounting in alloy bars 8020
12:59 PM LeelooMinai: I don't know - those rails seem to soft to me in general.
12:59 PM Crom: No power for the next 6 hours...
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: depending on mashiing it is cheep and good on precision
12:59 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: 8020 bars? Aren't those extrusions?
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: yes and there are adapters to fit the SBR
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: in a 8mm extrusion
01:01 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: Well, but what do you mean - mount the steel rail directly or the rod + support onto 8020
01:01 PM LeelooMinai: ?
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: http://minitec.kimweb.de/Default.aspx?laid=100
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: under profile system
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: there are all the cad for the alloy rails
01:03 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: My rails are mounted like this: http://i.imgur.com/oyJnA8w.png
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: i know as we all use them this way
01:04 PM LeelooMinai: So rod -> support -> 6061 square bar filled with sand inside.
01:05 PM LeelooMinai: I wish I could buy quality supports for those rails, maybe steel one, separately, but did not see them on ali.
01:06 PM LeelooMinai: Anyways, the washers seem to work for now, though they made the top of M5 screws dangerously close to the bearing blocks.
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: why not the 25 Hiwin
01:06 PM LeelooMinai: Maybe I should get some "low profile head" M5 screws.
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: if you need alloy stable milling
01:07 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: Because I do not frow money on trees in my backyard:)
01:07 PM Crom: Bbl
01:07 PM LeelooMinai: grow*
01:08 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: so did yo go for the 300USD set 1605 80/40/15
01:08 PM IchGucksLive: as it looks on your image
01:08 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: No, I bought the rails long time ago, like 2-3 years probably. I have 20mm rails on all 3 axis, and 16mm ballscrews.
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: thats what the set has
01:09 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I don't know - probably it was similar set.
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-LINEAR-RAIL-SBR16-SETS-3-BALLSCREWS-RM1605-350-650-750MM-3-BK-BF12-3-coupler-/252760706983
01:10 PM LeelooMinai: I think I will just buy low profile M5s and use washers, at least for now, so I can get the CNC going.
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: what elecronic are you going for
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: tb6600
01:11 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: Right, but my set is kind of "mixed" it has 16xx ballscrew, but 20xx rails.
01:12 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: I have Mesa 6i25 and 7i76 and one new card from them for 3 endoders I got, but not wired yet.
01:12 PM IchGucksLive: like i use them in all my mashine build over 10inch http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/4achs_elek
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: why not going for a eth 7i76E
01:13 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: Not sure by now - 2 years ago when I was buying them, probably there was some price difference, and I decided to go with plain PCIe.
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: ok
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: i got the combination on the plasmas
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: http://www.schwedenfeuer.de/feuersauelen.htm
01:15 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: I have them in small enclosure, like this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/15967931302/in/dateposted-public/
01:15 PM IchGucksLive: nice
01:15 PM LeelooMinai: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/15966607181/in/dateposted-public/
01:24 PM roycroft: cast iron slugs are pretty expensive
01:24 PM roycroft: when i make the backing plate for my 4 jaw chuck i'll need to turn a spud onto the cast iron in order to grip it with my 3 jaw while boring and threading it
01:25 PM roycroft: and then i'll have to machine that spud off when facing the backing plate and fitting it to the chuck
01:25 PM roycroft: i saw a video of a guy who welded a piece of steel onto a cast iron disc to use as a spud
01:25 PM roycroft: that seems rather sketchy to me, at the very least
01:25 PM roycroft: am i overly concerned about that?
01:26 PM roycroft: my past experience welding cast iron is ok, but it's not an easy thing to do well, and i'm not an expert welder
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: http://www.ebay.de/itm/2x-MGN12-400mm-Linearfuhrung-Linearschienen-Rail-Block-fur-CNC-RepRap-3D-Drucker/152366936115
01:26 PM roycroft: and i don't think i've ever tried welding steel to cast iron
01:26 PM roycroft: although i could get a small cast iron disc to use as the spud, i suppose
01:27 PM roycroft: or better yet, a piece of cast iron pipe
01:27 PM roycroft: which would make my bore easier
01:29 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8 from Germany
01:39 PM sync: you can always braze it on
01:47 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, I think time to order a steel channel...
01:48 PM LeelooMinai: Damn bottom axis beam is not stable enough.
01:48 PM LeelooMinai: Like you see here: http://i.imgur.com/PXiR9LY.png
01:49 PM roycroft: brazing would probably be easier to do properly
01:49 PM LeelooMinai: I put steel angle on top, but thought that maybe don't need anything on the other one, but seems I need it.
01:49 PM dioz: aced the test boys
01:49 PM roycroft: an 8.25" diameter cast iron disk is going to cost me about $45/inch
01:49 PM roycroft: and i need 2" for the backing plate
01:49 PM dioz: make your own cast iron
01:50 PM roycroft: i don't want to pay for another inch for the spud
01:50 PM dioz: you just need carbon and sand
01:52 PM dioz: i gotta make a wood burning stove for shop class
01:53 PM dioz: 10 and 14 gauge mild steel
01:53 PM dioz: srick weld, power rollers, plasma torch
01:54 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I guess I could try maybe something, but not sure.
01:54 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: is it twisting or?
01:55 PM dioz: flexing?
01:55 PM LeelooMinai: It's bending when the z-stage moves - about 10 microns = 1 dude = a bit less than half a mil.
01:55 PM LeelooMinai: What do you think though for a "butt" joint like this: http://i.imgur.com/ZNNc5E4.png
01:55 PM dioz: ah.
01:56 PM dioz: you're ginna add a cross member?
01:56 PM dioz: make sure it doesn't impede movement!
01:56 PM LeelooMinai: I have 5 m6 screws going from the side, but I am pretty sure that the beam surface is not perfect on the joing. Wondering if maybe something is going on there. If I put some sheet of soft metal there, say copper sheet, could that help?
01:57 PM LeelooMinai: Well, If I put a channel on back of that beam, like I did with steel angle at the top one, I am sure it will solve the issue, but I will need to buy it, drill, etc.
01:58 PM LeelooMinai: Then I attach the channel to the beam + gantry sides and no way anything will bend.
01:58 PM dioz: copper had antimicrobial properties
01:58 PM dioz: has
01:58 PM LeelooMinai: But now wonder if the beam is not ideally mated with the gantry side or something.
01:59 PM miss0r: bah. I just realize my mail inbox has not been working since the 17th. damnit!
01:59 PM LeelooMinai: miss0r: And wasn't life less stressful throughout that time? :p
01:59 PM miss0r: LeelooMinai: Heh, you'd think so. but i've been expecting some bills I need to pay... so life has also been cheaper
02:00 PM dioz: i give my gf all my money and she pays bills and gives me allowance
02:00 PM miss0r: but on the other hand, i've never missed a payment deadline in my life. I hope the mailhotel gets this figured out before they are due
02:00 PM LeelooMinai: Oblivious bliss:)
02:01 PM LeelooMinai: Follwed by panick and terror:)
02:01 PM miss0r: dioz: same goes for my wife... but this is my owm small company email. I need this to work :D
02:01 PM miss0r: wife happy=i'm happy
02:01 PM dioz: happy wife happy life
02:02 PM miss0r: yep
02:03 PM dioz: she wqs sending me ads on the local for sale of trucks
02:03 PM dioz: "this is a nice one"
02:03 PM dioz: so i told her i wanna ute with a hydraulik lift
02:03 PM dioz: she found me one
02:03 PM dioz: i was like "you want me to buy this?"
02:03 PM miss0r: :o your wife must be very happy
02:03 PM dioz: she's like "well you said you wanted one didn:t you?"
02:03 PM sync: LeelooMinai: you can add epoxy to compensate
02:04 PM LeelooMinai: sync: Hmm... is it any good at forces squashing it?
02:04 PM dioz: that's a decent idea.
02:04 PM sync: I did that with my mills z axis
02:04 PM miss0r: have you guys seen AvE's DRM juicer?
02:04 PM sync: it does an ok job in compression but that is not the reason you put it there
02:05 PM LeelooMinai: I guess it's a thought, but at this point I have a feeling I should just add this channel - it's probably a good idea for many reasons anyways.
02:05 PM sync: you want something that flows into the surface roughness and registers the two surfaces trying to shear it
02:05 PM dioz: i also thought of a small pipe clamp
02:06 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: lol - my sens of elegance in machine just fainted:)
02:06 PM dioz: use some ready rod a piece of plate and some nuts. idk what your motors are rated though
02:06 PM LeelooMinai: 3Nm or 425 oz/inch or whatever the filty units are
02:07 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: But you know, I have long pipe clamps - that's actually a great way to veryfy that indeed the clamping surface is the problem I think.
02:08 PM dioz: *shrug*. i've had temporary fixes turn into perm solutions
02:08 PM LeelooMinai: I assume they can clamp with more force than 6M6 screws at 10Nm each...
02:09 PM LeelooMinai: Don't know though.
02:09 PM dioz: you can get the ratcheting ones or the spin handles usually
02:09 PM LeelooMinai: I have the spin handle ones
02:11 PM LeelooMinai: I wish I had some magic position sensors that you can just attach at random place and they will wirelessly trasmit their coordinates to PC and you plot them - that would be fun. But I think nothing exists that can measure position in 3D space without some reference point.
02:12 PM LeelooMinai: I mean nothing precise - because GPS kind of can do that, but at larger scale.
02:12 PM dioz: half a mill is fine with what i do
02:12 PM dioz: send it bro
02:12 PM sync: LeelooMinai: there are systems like that
02:13 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Ok, sister:p
02:13 PM LeelooMinai: sync: Really?
02:13 PM sync: ndi aurora comes to mind, but there are similar systems with better resolution
02:14 PM LeelooMinai: sync: Er... and they work how? Some radar interpolation-like idea?
02:14 PM sync: no
02:14 PM LeelooMinai: RF timing?
02:14 PM sync: they produce magnetic fields
02:14 PM sync: and have a hall sensor inside the blood vessel
02:14 PM LeelooMinai: lol, wait, what blood vessel...
02:15 PM LeelooMinai: Are you talking about pigeons now or something:)
02:16 PM sync: no
02:16 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, they say sub-mm accuracy
02:16 PM sync: it's just some system that does what you want
02:16 PM LeelooMinai: So, few orders of magnitude more and would be fine
02:16 PM sync: typically used for navigation in blood vessels
02:17 PM LeelooMinai: So, maybe in 2050 I can use something, or not:)
02:17 PM LeelooMinai: But if someone manages to make a tiny sensor like that that is accurate, it would revolutionize many things.
02:18 PM LeelooMinai: I mean imediatelly computer input devices - revolution.
02:19 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, "in the meantime, on Earth"
02:19 PM * LeelooMinai goes to order the channel
02:23 PM roycroft: in a chuck description: "Flimsy parts are specifically engineered by quenching process to enhance durability."
02:23 PM roycroft: because everybody wants to buy chucks with flimsy parts
02:23 PM sync: chuck superleggera
02:23 PM LeelooMinai: I think they mean that by quenching they are more resiliant to stress
02:25 PM LeelooMinai: I saw one youtube video of a guy that was quenching a sword replica. It was pretty awsome - when he took the sword out of the oil barell or what it was, it was literally a fire sword - like in some fantasy movie:)
02:26 PM roycroft: that's pretty typical when oil quenching
02:29 PM LeelooMinai: Right, but he was working in some medieval-like barn, during the night, and he took the sword outside - was pretty spectacular.
02:30 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, just got en email from some store with sale on pipe clamps, etc. .... They are spying on IRC:)
02:41 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, when I use magnet on a piece of steel and there's no force that tells me what? I mean I know that stainless for example will not be magnetic, etc., but does this test put the steel in some category that one sees in metal shops? Like alloy/non alloy, or it's not related?
02:57 PM SpeedEvil: LeelooMinai: 'nonmagnetic'
02:58 PM SpeedEvil: It's complex.
02:58 PM LeelooMinai: SpeedEvil: That does not really bring any new information:)
02:58 PM SpeedEvil: Some actually non magnetic SSs are somewhat magnetic when work-hardened.
02:59 PM SpeedEvil: http://www.bssa.org.uk/faq.php?id=24
02:59 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, ok
03:00 PM SpeedEvil: http://www.bssa.org.uk/topics.php?article=3 also
03:00 PM roycroft: austenitic stainless steel is mostly non-magnetic
03:01 PM roycroft: ferritic and martensitic stainless steels are magnetic
03:02 PM LeelooMinai: My father left some steel sheets in the basement, and they look simiar and do not stain, but some are magnetic and some not, that's why I ask. I put one on my "bed table" so I can measure things on it, etc. - it's magnetic, but I can use magnetic and I can use magnetic bases on ot.
03:02 PM roycroft: those are different crystaline structures
03:03 PM roycroft: heating carbon steel past a critical point (i forget the exadt temperature) renders it non-magnetic, until it cools again
03:03 PM roycroft: because the crystaline structure changes
03:32 PM Crom: Hooked up a solar panel to a 7-24v input usb power supply and running my phone off that until the power comes back
03:47 PM Crom: I wish phone did otg... Then I could work on my arduino program
03:49 PM Crom: Hmm. Nope no hdmi screen for a pi
04:25 PM roycroft: hmm, mcmaster have 3" thick 8"+ diameter cast iron discs for $78.65
04:25 PM roycroft: which is less than a partially-machined backing plate that's too small for me costs
04:28 PM roycroft: i shall wait for my chuck to arrive before making any decision on backing plate material, so i know the actual diameter of the chuck
04:28 PM roycroft: and that gives me time to scrounge
04:32 PM XXCoder: yeah
04:32 PM XXCoder: maybe some scrap has one thats pkenty larger and cheaper
04:33 PM roycroft: i need to go back to the steel yard soon anyway
04:33 PM roycroft: i'll go through their junk bins
04:33 PM roycroft: the problem is, cast iron is uncommon these days
04:33 PM XXCoder: never could find any here
04:33 PM roycroft: and i really do not want to make a steel backing plate
04:33 PM XXCoder: (scrap places)
04:33 PM XXCoder: hmm why?
04:34 PM roycroft: because cast iron is less likely to damage the spindle if i bump it/drop it
04:34 PM XXCoder: ahh
04:34 PM roycroft: it's also easier to machine
04:34 PM roycroft: but spindle protection is the primary reason
04:47 PM Deejay: gn8
04:48 PM dioz: roycroft: how do i size a hole for 3/8 in - unf - 24 ?
04:49 PM dioz: trade school guy says... 3/8 - 1/24
04:49 PM dioz: i mean what size tap do i use to thread it?
04:49 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Are you in some kind of school for mechanics? :)
04:50 PM dioz: i am currently in trade school at the moment yes
04:51 PM LeelooMinai: Not sure what those are - we have universities here and then colleges that are more oriented towards learning skills for some particular jobs. But then in US college is like university, etc.
04:51 PM LeelooMinai: Just to confuse people I guess.
04:52 PM roycroft: what are you trying to do, dioz?
04:52 PM roycroft: drill a hole to tap?
04:53 PM roycroft: leeloominai: a college is a single school, in the us
04:53 PM roycroft: a university is a collection of colleges
04:54 PM dioz: what size tap do i need for a 3/8 hole. UNF 24tpi
04:54 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, that Permatex Prussian blue is $5.60 at canadian KBC... I guess Amazon price was a troll/scam.
04:54 PM roycroft: you need a 3/8"-24 tap
04:54 PM dioz: 3/8 - 1/24
04:54 PM roycroft: if you need to know the tap drill size, go look at the giant chart on the wall of your shop
04:54 PM roycroft: or look at any of the hundreds of small charts on the internet
04:55 PM dioz: you salty bro
04:55 PM dioz: so much salt
04:55 PM roycroft: sorry, i'm not a tap drill chart
04:55 PM roycroft: and i don't have that information at the tip of my tongue
04:55 PM roycroft: or the tips of my fingers even
04:55 PM LeelooMinai: .75 fl oz. - is that going to last for very occasional use?
04:56 PM roycroft: yes, leeloominai
04:56 PM roycroft: it does not take much for most things you might do
04:57 PM LeelooMinai: fl oz. - because trolling the world with oz. is not enough, they also have some fl. oz.
04:57 PM sync: I prefer the dykem, for some reason it is quite hard to make a good bluing
04:57 PM roycroft: it's like brylcreem - a little dab'll do ya
04:57 PM roycroft: but dykem is not suitable for scraping
04:58 PM LeelooMinai: Is Dykem some company or brand or what?
04:58 PM roycroft: you can't coat a surface plate with dykem and then rub your part on it
04:58 PM roycroft: the dykem will dry too quickly
04:58 PM roycroft: yes, it's a brand name of blue or red coloring that is used for laying out parts
04:59 PM roycroft: alcohol-soluble
04:59 PM SpeedEvil: Ideal for fingerpainting too
04:59 PM sync: dykem is one of the best for scraping
05:00 PM sync: you just have to use the bluing and not the layout fluid
05:00 PM LeelooMinai: KBC is nice, but they should invest in some server and make their site usable - it always makes me want to go to the bathroom and just use their 1 ton paper catalogue that I keep there.
05:03 PM LeelooMinai: I wonder if they run it from some old PC in the basement.
05:04 PM sync: no, the sap backend probably is quite slow
05:04 PM LeelooMinai: Also lol at the menus that are too long and run out of the screen so you have no way to select the last items.
05:04 PM LeelooMinai: I have one monitor that is in portrait mode and had to move the page there:)
05:06 PM sync: you can just scroll down
05:06 PM sync: while in the menu
05:06 PM sync: oh GOD
05:06 PM LeelooMinai: Not with the scroll bar though:)
05:06 PM sync: the catalog makes a sound
05:07 PM roycroft: it's apparently difficult to make a machining supply website that is actualy useful
05:07 PM sync: no shit, but there is a scrollwheel in your mouse
05:07 PM roycroft: since nobody does a decent job
05:07 PM LeelooMinai: sync: How do you know? :p
05:08 PM sync: because mouses without one are niche hardware
05:08 PM sync: even my trackball has one
05:08 PM LeelooMinai: Another thing: I search for Prussian Blue, ater I made a cup of cappucino, it found it, then I go into there, and theres no way to navigate from the profuct page to anything - like category it is in, etc. Lame.
05:09 PM LeelooMinai: sync: You need only one button on a mouse, don't you know? :p
05:09 PM LeelooMinai: It's terrible - don't they know that this way they potentially annoy customers and probably lose some?
05:10 PM sync: they probably have enough customers that just order through their sap interface
05:10 PM LeelooMinai: sync: What is sap interface?
05:11 PM sync: you don't know sap?
05:11 PM LeelooMinai: No
05:11 PM LeelooMinai: Last time I was doing server-side work was more than decade ago.
05:12 PM sync: they existed back then
05:12 PM LeelooMinai: Well, whatever it is, it does not really excuse how bad their website is:)
05:12 PM sync: it does
05:12 PM sync: they are making erp systems
05:12 PM sync: that suck hugely but work
05:13 PM LeelooMinai: And this is an exuse how?
05:15 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I am tempted to buy that straight edge, but someone told me it's not useful.
05:15 PM sync: ok, make an enterprise grade erp system that does not suck and work at the same time
05:15 PM LeelooMinai: O wait, sync, was it you? :p
05:16 PM sync: yes, I said that I have one but use it very rarely
05:16 PM sync: as it does not give you any measurements and is quite limited in its uses
05:16 PM LeelooMinai: Well, seems it can be used to check other things for straightness over long distance.
05:17 PM LeelooMinai: Unless there are some brilliant ways of, say, making sure that two rails are planar I don't know of.
05:17 PM sync: autocollimator
05:17 PM roycroft: a straight edge is useful for checking things
05:17 PM roycroft: i would get one if i did not have one
05:18 PM sync: I'll get a granite beam instead soon
05:18 PM roycroft: but it would not be at the top of my list of metrology tools to get
05:18 PM LeelooMinai: sync: Right, and light-interference base tools for the price of half of my house, I know:)
05:18 PM sync: autocollimators are cheap
05:18 PM LeelooMinai: Sub $100 cheap?
05:19 PM sync: if you are lucky, yes, but there are lots in the 300$ range
05:20 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, wiki shows me some optical precision instrument - those are never cheap:/
05:20 PM sync: which is very reasonable for a tool that gives you arcsecond resolution
05:21 PM LeelooMinai: So... I guess everyone here is using those to align stuff, right?
05:23 PM * LeelooMinai closes ebay page with autocollimator and looks at sync weirdly
05:23 PM sync: there are lots of overpriced ones
05:24 PM sync: but you can get one for that almost weekly
05:25 PM LeelooMinai: WOnderful
05:28 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, there are straight edges with and without bevel - are the beveled ones more useful?
05:29 PM roycroft: the beveled ones are different
05:29 PM roycroft: i would not say better
05:29 PM roycroft: and i would not say worse
05:29 PM roycroft: they are generally more expensive than the non-beveled ones
05:29 PM LeelooMinai: So what does the bevel do?
05:30 PM roycroft: they can fit into tighter spaces than the non-beveled ones can
05:30 PM LeelooMinai: A, right, ok
05:30 PM sync: I feel like they are more of a draftsmans tool
05:30 PM roycroft: imo they're generally not as rigid as the non-beveled ones, and more prone to being damaged
05:31 PM roycroft: but mine is not beveled primarily because it was less expensive than the beveled one
05:32 PM LeelooMinai: İs there anything else besides $$colimator and straight edge that I may consider instead to help me with aligments? I decided to take the whole CNC apart, since this also solves me lifting the base and making it better.
05:33 PM * roycroft thinks he'll go remodel the lathe dog he made yesterday, hoping to remove about 85% of the mass
05:33 PM sync: you'll also need a precision angle
05:34 PM LeelooMinai: I saw some leveling devices, but those probably do not have accuracy that would one align axis of a cnc, right?
05:34 PM dioz: sup sync
05:34 PM dioz: where you live?
05:34 PM LeelooMinai: sync: I have l-shaped machinist square. Is that the same thing?
05:35 PM sync: yeah
05:35 PM roycroft: if it's square :)
05:35 PM sync: dioz: how does that matter?
05:35 PM dioz: it doesn't
05:35 PM LeelooMinai: Right, well, it is, but it's only 4 inches, so, not really that great for rails...
05:36 PM dioz: if you get offended cause i asked you where you live you got issues. no one says you have to answer. lie for all i care
05:36 PM dioz: get offended though? you got issues
05:36 PM LeelooMinai: But I guess and edge + square like that and I have big l-shaped thing.
05:36 PM roycroft: i did not sense that sync was offended
05:36 PM dioz: how does it matter that i felt he did?
05:37 PM roycroft: because you're attempting to make an issue of it
05:37 PM roycroft: so please to stifle :)
05:39 PM dioz: well. one would think the initial attempt at making me justify my question, as if it isn't a completely reasonable question, was the initial attempt at making something out of it
05:40 PM dioz: but we all have bias
05:43 PM dioz: i remember i asked this brown guy with an accent who clearly wasn't from around here where he lived. people were like " you shouldn't ask that. if they want you to know they'll tell you"
05:44 PM dioz: odd idea
05:44 PM roycroft: odd that you would want to ask someone something like that
05:44 PM dioz: why?
05:44 PM roycroft: because it's none of your business and does not affect you in any way
05:45 PM dioz: i'd say a defining characteristic of an individual is their cultural upbringings. which is also geographical.
05:45 PM roycroft: and can easily be perceived as intimidation
05:45 PM roycroft: and if you don't get that then you're pretty dense
05:45 PM dioz: perceived as intimidation? i'd ask what implicit bias you'd use to justify that
05:45 PM malcom2073: Reality
05:46 PM malcom2073: it's a pretty heavy bias
05:46 PM dioz: how can you presume what the purpose of my questioning is?
05:46 PM malcom2073: You should try it sometime :)
05:46 PM MacGalempsy: hello
05:46 PM malcom2073: Heya Mac, what's up?
05:46 PM dioz: are you the thought police?
05:46 PM * roycroft decides to not continue partcipating in this discussion, as he might say something unnecessarily provocative
05:47 PM malcom2073: roycroft: +1
05:47 PM malcom2073: Mac: You been producing with your machine lately?
05:47 PM malcom2073: or work still have you away?
05:47 PM roycroft: i have a big pile of nice curly "six" chips on my chip pan :)
05:47 PM roycroft: i haven't ground a lathe tool in a long time before yesterday, but apparently i can still do so
05:48 PM malcom2073: I've not touched either my mill or lathe in probably... 4 months?
05:48 PM MacGalempsy: no production. working on the rig again. had a month off and dilly dallied
05:48 PM MacGalempsy: worked on the fj40 some, went hiking, hung with my wife
05:49 PM MacGalempsy: it took me a week just to get back on a dayligjt schedule
05:49 PM malcom2073: Heh
05:49 PM MacGalempsy: is roycroft offending people again?
05:50 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: Where do you live?
05:50 PM LeelooMinai: j/k :p
05:50 PM malcom2073: Heh
05:50 PM MacGalempsy: in the US ;)
05:50 PM LeelooMinai: South? :p
05:50 PM MacGalempsy: of course!
05:50 PM MacGalempsy: but I work in indian territory
05:51 PM dioz: dotty indian or cowboy and indian?
05:51 PM LeelooMinai: On oil pipelines?
05:51 PM MacGalempsy: feather style
05:51 PM MacGalempsy: no I work on drilling rigs
05:51 PM malcom2073: Oh hey Mac, I'm going to be down in Midland in a couple weeks, may wind up taking a trip up to OK city, you work far from those areas?
05:51 PM Connor1 is now known as Connor
05:51 PM dioz: throwing chains
05:52 PM dioz: power tongs
05:52 PM MacGalempsy: about an hour. im on days, so I could run over for dinner
05:52 PM malcom2073: From OK or midland?
05:52 PM MacGalempsy: nah. i dont roughneck, im a geologist
05:52 PM MacGalempsy: from OKc
05:52 PM malcom2073: Alright
05:52 PM MacGalempsy: whats up in midland?
05:52 PM dioz: oh you're the rock guy
05:52 PM malcom2073: I'll shoot you a message if they wind up shipping me up to the OK office
05:53 PM malcom2073: Our main office
05:53 PM malcom2073: my oil work kicked back off again :-D
05:53 PM LeelooMinai: Well, geologist may be also crypto-name for an oil seeker:)
05:53 PM dioz: put coffee sgrounda in your fucking samples bro
05:53 PM dioz: yoy be like "what's this"
05:53 PM MacGalempsy: nice. i like to think im into earth exploitation
05:53 PM dioz: ;)
05:54 PM MacGalempsy: nah, I have ppl to look at sample
05:54 PM MacGalempsy: s
05:54 PM dioz: buy me donuts
05:54 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: So... how many times have you been shot with an arrow? :)
05:54 PM dioz: why you neber bring donuts or coffee?
05:54 PM malcom2073: LeelooMinai: They tend to carry guns nowadays :-P
05:55 PM MacGalempsy: LeelooMinai: about 100 times
05:55 PM dioz: hah
05:55 PM MacGalempsy: im making breakfast tomorrow for the staff geologist,dioz you can come too
05:56 PM MacGalempsy: but you have to be politically incorrect
05:58 PM Crom: fsck'n raspberry pi's... power goes out and you have to reimage the sd card... now mine is saying bad block...
05:59 PM malcom2073: Crom: Use ext4 you won't have that issue
05:59 PM phipli: Crom - depending on what you're doing you could make a read only sd card
05:59 PM MacGalempsy: double drat
05:59 PM dioz: MacGalempsy: you're one of the good ones
05:59 PM dioz: +1
05:59 PM phipli: or stick a battery in the power supply
05:59 PM Crom: I have to figure out how to get a boot sd and then having it mount a usb hard drive
05:59 PM phipli: to bridge it over short power cuts
06:00 PM malcom2073: Oh bad block, nm. ext4 fixes corruption issues, if the sd card itself dies it won't help that.
06:00 PM dioz: dirt is a good electrolyte
06:00 PM Crom: it was 5 hours today...
06:00 PM dioz: not a good
06:00 PM dioz: :s/good//g
06:06 PM LeelooMinai: I wonder if it's me, or it's common, but if I make an order in a place like KBC, i cannot just buy what I need, but spend hours looking around for things that "may be useful":/
06:08 PM LeelooMinai: God forbit I forget something that I thought of 5 months ago.
06:11 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I guess KBC no longer thinks that having metric fasteners is a good idea:/
06:27 PM MacGalempsy: what is this metric thing?
06:28 PM MacGalempsy: i understand its an alternative to real measuring units
06:28 PM LeelooMinai: Troll attempt: 1/10 - Apprentice of Apprentice Level:p
06:29 PM roycroft: i really need to sell one of my vw buses
06:29 PM MacGalempsy: we dont consider you to be a troll ;p
06:29 PM LeelooMinai: "Measuring and Inspection" is my favourite in all catalogues.
06:29 PM roycroft: now that i have a lathe that is approaching being useful, my mill/drill is proving woefully inadequate
06:30 PM roycroft: i need a bridgeport class mill, for sure
06:30 PM JT-Shop: what's up folks
06:30 PM roycroft: i'll still cnc the mill/drill
06:30 PM MacGalempsy: my troll score is up to 1/10
06:30 PM roycroft: but it's just way to wimpy for most of the work i'm doing
06:30 PM JT-Shop: anyone know how to use one of those dupont crimpers?
06:30 PM roycroft: having to take 0.005" passes when surfacing a part is almost painful
06:31 PM MacGalempsy: making drone connectors?
06:31 PM roycroft: i don't know what you're talking about off-hand
06:31 PM Tom_L: squeeze the handle
06:31 PM roycroft: dupont are a great brewery in belgium who make some fantastic saison, that's all i know :)
06:32 PM JT-Shop: I keep getting crushed connectors
06:32 PM JT-Shop: guess I'll have to watch a video in the morning lol
06:32 PM Tom_L: mine is a cheap one from RS
06:33 PM Tom_L: seems to work ok
06:33 PM Tom_L: at least on the wire part.
06:33 PM LeelooMinai: Some crimpers have force adjust screw/mechanism
06:33 PM Tom_L: the part that wraps around the insulation sometimes crushes
06:35 PM JT-Shop: are you supposed to put the whole fitting in or just the crimped end?
06:40 PM Mac-Phone is now known as MacGalempsy
06:42 PM Tom_L: just the end afik
06:42 PM JT-Shop: ok let me try that a bit
06:43 PM Tom_L: i may have different connectors than you too
06:48 PM Tom_L: most of mine were for C-Grid connectors
06:50 PM Tom_L: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/molex-llc/0901190109/WM2581TR-ND/503070
06:50 PM Tom_L: similar
06:55 PM JT-Shop: looks like the same one I have
06:55 PM Tom_L: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/molex-llc/0621000700/WM6545-ND/315140
06:56 PM Tom_L: there's the 'official' tool
06:56 PM Tom_L: :D
06:56 PM Tom_L: $1700
06:57 PM JT-Shop: are the dies progressive?
06:57 PM Tom_L: in that link? i have no idea
06:59 PM JT-Shop: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=sn-28b
07:00 PM Tom_L: i don't think so
07:00 PM JT-Shop: https://www.amazon.com/Terminal-Ratchet-Crimper-AWG28-18-0-1-1-0MM%C2%B2/dp/B017JU20Z6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1495754887&sr=8-2&keywords=sn-28b
07:00 PM Tom_L: probably for different gage wire
07:01 PM Tom_L: the teeth are marked with gage numbers i think
07:02 PM Tom_L: mine aren't that nice, looks like one half is for the insul and the other for the bare wire
07:02 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, found some shop called KAR - anyone shopped there?
07:03 PM LeelooMinai: Seems Canadian
07:04 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, if it's smashing maybe you have the wrong gage slot or wire for the slot size
07:10 PM JT-Shop: I finally got a good one lol
07:11 PM roycroft: practice makes the occasional accidental good part
07:12 PM LeelooMinai: lol - just from curiosity I went to that McMaster place to see if they have a lot of fasteners... Now I am depressed:p
07:14 PM roycroft: they have a lot of fasteners
07:14 PM roycroft: i promise they have fasteners you've never heard of
07:14 PM LeelooMinai: Right, was just going to say that.
07:15 PM roycroft: you will spend your days scouring the mcmaster-carr website
07:15 PM roycroft: and you'll spend your nights dreaming about the things you can make with the fasteners you just discovered
07:15 PM roycroft: sleep is a thing of the past for you
07:16 PM LeelooMinai: Right, only I won't because cannot order - probably even to that corss-border pickup place, since I read they have those places on some blacklist:/
07:16 PM roycroft: i'll take care of that
07:16 PM LeelooMinai: In the meantime, with KBC I did not find even a metric nut:)
07:17 PM roycroft: i'll ring up president trump and tell him that canadians won't let mcmaster ship to them
07:17 PM roycroft: and he'll go punch justin trudeau in the nose
07:17 PM LeelooMinai: "Fake news! I love Mr. MacMaster - he is the best guy."
07:17 PM MacGalempsy: did you try www.fastenal.com
07:18 PM roycroft: he shoved the prime minister of montenegro out of his way today
07:18 PM roycroft: and scolded angela merkel and said that germans are "very, very bad people"
07:18 PM roycroft: and he had half of nato laughing at him
07:19 PM malcom2073: The other half wasn't paying enough attention?
07:19 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: I think I did in the past, but there was something bad there too - probably again they are not friendly to hobbyists, etc.:)
07:19 PM roycroft: i don't remember why i don't use fastenol
07:19 PM roycroft: they have a shop not far from where i live
07:19 PM malcom2073: I don't like their sales reps at the local store, so I tend to not order from them
07:19 PM roycroft: but there was something offputting about them
07:19 PM malcom2073: mcmaster on the other hand, is amazing
07:19 PM MacGalempsy: LeelooMinai: in the stores they only sell in bulk
07:20 PM roycroft: mcmaster have great prices, and they have damn near everything
07:20 PM malcom2073: mcmaster used to be a bit pricey, but they've gotten cheaper I feel
07:20 PM roycroft: as long as you have a couple days to wait for your stuff they're awesome
07:20 PM malcom2073: or everyone else has gotten more expensive sothey seem reasonable :-P
07:20 PM roycroft: i buy most of my fastners at eugene fastener, which is a small, local shop
07:20 PM MacGalempsy: they local sales guys are douchy university students
07:20 PM malcom2073: I'm lucky, there's a mcmaster nearby, so everything arrives 1-2 days, even ground shipping
07:20 PM roycroft: but they only have a couple hundred thousand line items
07:20 PM roycroft: so i find myself needing to go to mcmaster fairly often when eugene fastener don't have what i need
07:20 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I am a bit envious - not only seems they have everything, but Fusion 360 has direct import for any part they sell (3D model.)
07:21 PM roycroft: yes, they're usually a couple days ground from me
07:21 PM roycroft: iirc they ship from reno
07:21 PM MacGalempsy: not any part :p
07:21 PM LeelooMinai: Well, from what I have seen almost all parts have models.
07:21 PM MacGalempsy: but most :)
07:21 PM roycroft: they're working on cad drawings for everything
07:21 PM roycroft: but they're not there yet
07:21 PM roycroft: i promise
07:22 PM roycroft: they're better than any other online source i've used
07:22 PM LeelooMinai: As to the Trump, I just saw that they made some elementary mistake in that new budget - like counted something twice:)
07:23 PM roycroft: yes
07:23 PM roycroft: the budget is only off by two trillion dollars
07:23 PM LeelooMinai: But at this poiint, I am not even suprised.
07:23 PM roycroft: and we're talking us dollars, not canadian
07:24 PM LeelooMinai: I think I am addicted to those news. Every morning I look there in hope I see a heading like "Trump has fallen into a manhole and cannot be found." :)
07:24 PM MacGalempsy: what is amazing is how so many people have psychological issues over trump being president
07:24 PM MacGalempsy: mostly those who dont like him
07:25 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: Don't you find it scary that someone like him could become a president? :) It's kind of scary imo...
07:25 PM malcom2073: I have issues with both far left and far right wingnuts, they're both way scarier than any one person could be
07:26 PM LeelooMinai: No, it's not even about liking him - it's more about realization that so many people support him. It's kind of mind-boggling. Like waking up one day in some strange alternative universe.
07:26 PM MacGalempsy: LeelooMai: i dont find it scary
07:27 PM LeelooMinai: By himself he is not that interesting even - not smart, self-centered, dellusional, etc.
07:27 PM roycroft: trump is not right wing
07:27 PM roycroft: or left wing
07:27 PM roycroft: he's trump wing
07:27 PM MacGalempsy: he seemed more interesting that the alternative
07:27 PM roycroft: he has nothing to do with conservatism
07:28 PM roycroft: and everything to do with enhancing his own image and wealth
07:28 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: I have no idea why... THe results are already catastrophic to many people.
07:28 PM roycroft: oddly, he seems to take pride in buffoonery
07:28 PM LeelooMinai: He is unpredictable, but that's because he is clueless and impulsive. That's not really interesting imo.
07:28 PM roycroft: oh, for the good old days of dubya :)
07:29 PM * roycroft heads back to the shop and tries not to think of such things
07:30 PM roycroft: my only saving grace is that it's the middle of the night in .eu
07:30 PM LeelooMinai: If he at least had some plan/vision, but I think even his supporters by now realize that there is no such a thing.
07:30 PM roycroft: so he won't be doing anything else moronic for a few hours, unless he's managed to get his blackberry back
07:30 PM roycroft: they don't care, leeloominai
07:31 PM LeelooMinai: Well, yes, that's the scary part I was talking about.
07:31 PM MacGalempsy: who are the results catastrophic too?
07:31 PM roycroft: he's convinced them that he understands them and cares about them
07:31 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: Er, what?
07:31 PM roycroft: he hates the same things they hate
07:31 PM roycroft: and that's all that matters to them
07:32 PM roycroft: it's visceral, not intellectual
07:32 PM MacGalempsy: its an easy enough question. list the americans effected
07:33 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: But I don't even understand that question - I don't think it makes sense gramatically even.
07:33 PM LeelooMinai: A, ok, I see catastropnic to, not too
07:33 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: ,,, are you serious?
07:34 PM MacGalempsy: yeah
07:34 PM LeelooMinai: Did you see what he has done to the healthcare, pollution laws, etc.?
07:34 PM MacGalempsy: no . he has done nothing to health care.
07:34 PM LeelooMinai: He raised the healthcare cut to 1.6 trillion or so I read - that's crazy.
07:35 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: Maybe you are on another planet then:/
07:35 PM MacGalempsy: the only thing so far is he tolf the irs to not penalize those who dont buy insurance
07:36 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: I don't know where you get that info from... Did you even see the proposed budget plan?
07:36 PM MacGalempsy: you need to understand the system better. until congress passes a bill and tbat makes its way thru the senate, trump doesnt get to approve or disapprove
07:37 PM malcom2073: Can both of you just agree that you're both idiots, and move on? :-P
07:37 PM MacGalempsy: sorry malcom
07:38 PM malcom2073: This is not intelligent discourse, this is both of you poking at each other trying to get a rise
07:38 PM MacGalempsy: im no idiot ;p
07:39 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, if you think all those cuts are imaginary, what I can say...
07:43 PM LeelooMinai: I guess this is imaginary too: http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/USA-TRUMP-BUDGET/0100405W0DC/
07:44 PM LeelooMinai: Reuters seems to have good reputation though:)
08:09 PM MacGalempsy: That is just a proposal, not what has happened.
08:22 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: ...
08:28 PM * LeelooMinai writes "This is just a proposal" in her comedy sketches idea book
08:30 PM malcom2073: Congrats on having the last word!
08:31 PM LeelooMinai: Well, was hard not to - it's almost like someone was suggesting that a president with catastrophic proposals is ok:)
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