#linuxcnc Logs

May 24 2017

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:11 AM DrippityDrops: 12:23 AM Guest78562: SPAM SPAM broken config trollolool broke.sys SPAM SPAM
01:13 AM DrippityDrops: 12:23 AM roycroft: stop that
01:13 AM DrippityDrops: roycroft: lololol
01:15 AM Crom: oh yeah that...
01:15 AM Crom: he was from Vietnam
01:15 AM DrippityDrops: it just puts a smile on my face
01:16 AM DrippityDrops: Crom: you got any projects going on?
01:18 AM Crom: extending my Z, making a back seat drink holder for my 1st gen honda odyssey, sewing up Cossack jackets for a play that opens in 2 weeks
01:25 AM DrippityDrops: extending your Z, I like that one, I should get more sleep too
01:27 AM Crom: going from 63mm of travel to 160mm
01:28 AM Crom: so when I raise my gantry sides, I can still raise the table
01:28 AM Crom: reach the table
01:28 AM DrippityDrops: thats a big jump
01:29 AM DrippityDrops: will you need to reinforce the gantry to deal with the new leverage put on it when cutting a tall item?
01:30 AM Crom: that's the project after extending the sides
01:30 AM DrippityDrops: I have to build a riser with a dovetail slide in it to mount a hydraulic drilling spindle 5.5 inches higher
01:31 AM DrippityDrops: im just being lazy about drawing it up
01:32 AM Crom: x carriage getting replaced completely as well as the Z xarriage... going to supported linear bearings for X, Y and Z
01:32 AM DrippityDrops: maybe you should just leave all alone.
01:32 AM DrippityDrops: and build a new one :)
01:33 AM Crom: after I mod this one... I'll use the old parts with new parts to make a bigger one
01:33 AM Crom: for my wood router
01:33 AM DrippityDrops: I had an idea for making some mini cnc machines and building them on granite plates
01:33 AM DrippityDrops: I wonder if that is bad idea
01:34 AM DrippityDrops: so a lathe, but granite bed
01:35 AM Crom: there is that guy that used granite and air bearings for a lathe.
01:39 AM Deejay: moin
01:39 AM DrippityDrops: mojn!
01:41 AM DrippityDrops: im getting tons of requests for automation work but have no idea how to bid and complete the processes
01:53 AM Crom: like for instance
01:55 AM archivist: look on youtube how someone else automated a process, copy, rinse, repeat
01:57 AM Crom: well charge 200% of parts, then labor at $500 a day
02:00 AM Crom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKQEIlmY_iU
02:08 AM IchGucksLive: morning from Germany
02:09 AM IchGucksLive: DrippityDrops: still on
02:17 AM IchGucksLive: till later
03:10 AM MattyMatt is now known as MatthewMatthew
03:36 AM gcardinal: just ordered vistaCNC P4-SE - can't wait to try it out
03:56 AM archivist_herron: ew a bit expensive
03:58 AM gcardinal: mmm yes indeed... but a few reviews online sold me on it
04:44 AM TurBoss: morning
04:47 AM Gene_home: morning
05:01 AM jthornton: morning
05:01 AM XXCoder: yo
05:03 AM Gene_home: you still there?
05:04 AM Gene_home: XXCoder: you still there?
05:05 AM XXCoder: yes. whats up
05:05 AM Gene_home: did you say you use Atomic filament?
05:06 AM XXCoder: lets take it to reprap channel heh
05:06 AM XXCoder: or maybe not art still at it
05:06 AM XXCoder: anyway
05:06 AM XXCoder: yeah I use atomic
05:06 AM Gene_home: ok
05:10 AM TurBoss: XXCoder : I did a thing
05:10 AM TurBoss: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2341380
05:11 AM XXCoder: OMG a thing
05:11 AM XXCoder: wow ff7 is only ff I played
05:11 AM XXCoder: did you know its possible to trap yourself in world map forever? lol
05:11 AM XXCoder: theres spot where you can land and exit inton city
05:11 AM TurBoss: a friend is doing a remake
05:12 AM TurBoss: a hack
05:12 AM TurBoss: he spent 6 years
05:12 AM XXCoder: but if you exit city you exit on wrong side so you cannot go back to ship.
05:12 AM TurBoss: and still
05:12 AM TurBoss: Oh
05:12 AM TurBoss: meybe is a good fix to add to the remake
05:13 AM TurBoss: this bug has name?
05:15 AM XXCoder: hmm its decades since I last even thought of that
05:15 AM XXCoder: lemme try find
05:16 AM TurBoss: thanks
05:19 AM XXCoder: TurBoss: lol apparently if one has regen, you could just open disc and it will freeze
05:20 AM XXCoder: but regen still goes up slowly
05:20 AM XXCoder: essentally free heal for you
05:20 AM TurBoss: lol
05:20 AM TurBoss: :D
05:20 AM XXCoder: well all I remember is that theres one city
05:20 AM XXCoder: you can barrrely land on other side with airship
05:20 AM TurBoss: ok no worries
05:20 AM TurBoss: oh
05:20 AM TurBoss: ok
05:20 AM XXCoder: but if you enter city you exit other side of city
05:21 AM TurBoss: i'll tell my friend
05:21 AM TurBoss: :D
05:23 AM Gene_home: XXCoder: will you likely be around in 24ish hours?
05:23 AM XXCoder: im always here for few hours starting 30 min ago or so to couple hours later
05:24 AM Gene_home: awesome
05:24 AM XXCoder: only exception is thursday and rarely friday actually
05:24 AM XXCoder: I usually go out eat rather than cook here
05:25 AM XXCoder: result is im not in till over a hour later
05:30 AM MatthewMatthew is now known as MattyMatt
05:31 AM jthornton: dang chicken door failed yesterday, thunderstorm came up and it got dark so the door closed with the chickens outside
05:31 AM XXCoder: DOH!!
05:32 AM sync: nice
05:32 AM XXCoder: maybe need add timing sanity check
05:33 AM jthornton: yea I'm going to switch to a timer for the door
05:33 AM jthornton: dunno what happened but once it went down it would not come back up
05:40 AM * TurBoss wan's to make a door chicken too
05:40 AM TurBoss: :D
05:40 AM TurBoss: my father has some too
05:44 AM jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7k8oaLa-7k
05:46 AM XXCoder: jthornton: your chickens ok after being stuck outside on thunderstorm?
05:46 AM XXCoder: if universe worked like cartoon one would be turned into nicely well cooked chicken with plate and garashes :P
05:47 AM jthornton: I opened the door manually and put them inside and 3/4 of the run is covered
05:47 AM XXCoder: not too bad then
05:50 AM Tom_itx: JT-Shop, add a timer to keep it off until around dusk
05:51 AM jthornton: yea I'm switching to a timer
05:51 AM Tom_itx: you may need both
05:51 AM jthornton: hows that?
05:51 AM Tom_itx: as the season progresses
05:51 AM Tom_itx: the daylight will change
05:51 AM archivist_herron: daily tweaking needed, get dusk from tables/the internet
05:51 AM jthornton: yea have to change the timer
05:57 AM Tom_itx: jthornton, seems the bot did what it was supposed to?
05:59 AM jthornton: no, for some reason it didn't work
06:00 AM Tom_itx: should i switch back a version?
06:00 AM jthornton: I don't think it hurts to leave it as is
06:00 AM Tom_itx: it removed part of it
06:01 AM jthornton: hmmm might need a bit more work
06:02 AM Tom_itx: and left the KGB- part
06:02 AM Tom_itx: which was considered a user
07:52 AM nallar is now known as Ross
10:05 AM IchGucksLive: hi from Germany
10:29 AM nallar is now known as Ross
10:30 AM * LeelooMinai suspects that jthornton did that on purpose to see chicken terrified by storm and nowhere to hide
10:35 AM Jymmm: jthornton: VERY NICE (and simple)
10:36 AM Jymmm: LeelooMinai: Well, you just have to go other to jthornton's in a storm to comfort the chickens is all
10:36 AM Jymmm: over*
10:37 AM LeelooMinai: In a month or so, the shocking truth will be revelead - jthornton was in fact R&D worker at KFC:)
10:37 AM nallar is now known as Ross
10:39 AM Jymmm: LeelooMinai: I thin you might be right, is sure does look like a guillotine.
10:45 AM nallar is now known as Ross
11:02 AM roycroft: this is very un-mcmaster like
11:02 AM roycroft: i need some drive screws for a project, and i don't have any and can't source any locally
11:02 AM roycroft: teh ebay has few, and they're outrageously priced
11:02 AM roycroft: so i went to mcmaster-carr
11:02 AM roycroft: they have them, and for good prices
11:02 AM roycroft: but if i order $4 worth of screws i'll pay $12 shipping
11:03 AM roycroft: so i figured it would be nice to get an assortment so i don't have to order them again for a long time
11:03 AM roycroft: they have some nice assortment packs, but the one with ss crews is $101.44
11:03 AM roycroft: i priced out the individual components, and they come to $45.13
11:04 AM roycroft: but the assortment pack comes with a plastic box
11:04 AM roycroft: that must be one hell of a box to more than double the cost
11:05 AM roycroft: their assortment is 12 sizes
11:05 AM roycroft: i can get a 60-compartment sortimo box (which is like the rolls royce of parts boxes) for $60
11:05 AM LeelooMinai: A semi-related random into: I noticed in Fusion360 that they have built-in feature that lets you to import 3D model of pretty much anything McMaster-Carr sells.
11:06 AM roycroft: er, 48 compartment
11:06 AM roycroft: yes, i can get 2d and 3d drawings of almost everything on mcmaster
11:06 AM roycroft: i use that feature a lot
11:07 AM roycroft: solidworks doesn't have anything built-in to get the drawings, but i can download them from the mcmaster website and import them into a local library
11:07 AM LeelooMinai: It's nice for bolts, washers, etc. - you just "steal" them from there:)
11:08 AM LeelooMinai: Not that I can use that McMaster site in Canada.
11:08 AM LeelooMinai: Because they do not sell to "little" people:/
11:08 AM roycroft: i use mcmaster all the time
11:08 AM roycroft: i cannot buy from grainger
11:09 AM roycroft: because they are morons
11:09 AM roycroft: i've gone over the problem with them countless times
11:09 AM roycroft: they only sell to businesses
11:09 AM roycroft: that's fine
11:09 AM roycroft: but their requirement is that one produce one's state sales tax id number
11:09 AM roycroft: we have no sales tax in oregon
11:09 AM LeelooMinai: I found that many US places are a bit, I don't know what to call it - hostile to anything outside US:)
11:10 AM roycroft: i have no such number
11:10 AM roycroft: my federal tax id is not good enough for them
11:10 AM roycroft: they want my tax-exempt number
11:10 AM roycroft: they insist on it
11:10 AM roycroft: i would have to set up my business in another state and get that state's sales tax id number in order to buy from grainger
11:10 AM Tom_itx: depending on the business type that may be required
11:11 AM roycroft: mcmaster are less expensive than grainger on almost everything
11:11 AM roycroft: it can't be required in a state that does not have sales tax, tom_itx
11:11 AM roycroft: i don't know how people in oregon buy from grainger
11:11 AM roycroft: but grainger have a warehouse in eugene
11:11 AM roycroft: i've sent them my federal tax id number multiple times
11:12 AM roycroft: every time they've rejected it and told me to provide my state sales tax exempt number
11:12 AM roycroft: the only reason to buy from grainger is that you can get your stuff right now
11:12 AM roycroft: with mcmaster you have to wait until at least the next day
11:12 AM roycroft: so i've learned to not be in such a hurry
11:14 AM roycroft: i'm running out of room for fastener/misc. hardware storage
11:14 AM roycroft: i've been meaning to start getting sortimo boxes anyway - maybe this drive screw thing will be the impetus to start getting them
11:14 AM archivist: stackable boxes
11:15 AM roycroft: at $60 each, sortimo are expensive
11:15 AM roycroft: but they're modular and really well made
11:15 AM roycroft: you can turn them upside down and not mix up the items in the individual bins
11:15 AM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AE0AOZC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3S87W6NULH3VW&coliid=ILIKKYTDY3MVP&th=1
11:16 AM LeelooMinai: Nice design - bad price:)
11:16 AM roycroft: i would not even say they're horribly overpriced
11:16 AM roycroft: the problem is that i would need at least a dozen or 18 to get me going
11:17 AM roycroft: i need to get on a schedule of buying one per month or so until i get enough
11:17 AM roycroft: and i'm not willing to add that expense to my monthly budget right now
11:18 AM LeelooMinai: roycroft: Or check if chinese friends have something equivalent.
11:18 AM roycroft: i haven't seen anything remotely equivalent
11:18 AM roycroft: and i'm not going to buy crap
11:18 AM roycroft: i'll stick with what i have in that case
11:18 AM roycroft: i'm taking my existing harware storage bins and putting dividers in them, so i can double up on them
11:19 AM roycroft: or triple up
11:19 AM archivist: stanley have a box they import from Zag in israel
11:19 AM LeelooMinai: I have a nice organizer from Stanley.
11:20 AM archivist: I have the zag badge from the discount store
11:20 AM roycroft: if you're talking about these, they're ok, but not great:
11:20 AM LeelooMinai: Use it for screws - it also has boxes inside that I can take off, but they are bigger and less of them. And has two levels.
11:20 AM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-25-Removable-Compartment-Professional-Organizer/dp/B00005QWYF/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1495640957&sr=8-2&keywords=Zag+Storage+Bins
11:20 AM archivist: 1/6 of the price!
11:20 AM LeelooMinai: A, no, my is much more "complicated"
11:20 AM roycroft: and 1/6 of the quality!
11:21 AM archivist: good enough
11:21 AM LeelooMinai: Isn't Stanley ok though?
11:21 AM archivist: variable quality
11:21 AM roycroft: if you turn the stanley upside down and shake it your parts can still get mixed up
11:21 AM roycroft: and you can't buy those organizers with all small bins
11:22 AM archivist: the original zag has a middle lock on the lid
11:22 AM roycroft: even if you could, the one to which i linked only would hold 37 bins
11:22 AM archivist: bin size and wasted space is what breaks all storage systems
11:22 AM roycroft: yes
11:23 AM roycroft: and a nice thing about the sortimo is that one can get really small bins
11:23 AM Tom_itx: there is no one size fits all solution to storage
11:23 AM roycroft: and they are completely modular
11:23 AM LeelooMinai: Right, I would get something with mixed sizes inside - there are m2 screws and m8 screws.
11:23 AM archivist: then you cannot get a small item out without tipping out
11:24 AM roycroft: with my existing system i use small manila envelopes
11:24 AM roycroft: they're about the size of business cards
11:24 AM roycroft: for really small fasteners i can put 4-5 sizes in one bin, each in a neatly labeled little envelope
11:24 AM Tom_itx: i got a box full of those once
11:24 AM roycroft: keeps them separated nicely, and it's easy to just pour out what one needs
11:25 AM archivist: I now have multiple systems, some in drawers, some open storage boxes stacked, some zag
11:25 AM Tom_itx: look at uline for storage solutions?
11:25 AM LeelooMinai: lol, same Stanley organizer on amazon.ca - $28 CAD - fail:/
11:25 AM archivist: and barcodes to find the shelves and storage boxes
11:26 AM LeelooMinai: RF tags:)
11:26 AM roycroft: i currently use a bunch of these:
11:26 AM roycroft: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wall-Mount-Storage-60-Bins-Parts-Small-Items-Screws-Beads-Home-Garage-Organizer-/292044026621
11:26 AM roycroft: except i pay a lot less for them - i think i pay about $25 each
11:26 AM LeelooMinai: Right, I have 4 of those, but for TH electronic pars.
11:26 AM roycroft: they work ok
11:26 AM LeelooMinai: parts*
11:26 AM roycroft: but take up a lot of wall space
11:26 AM LeelooMinai: Just make sure the thing does not tip over the wrong way:)
11:27 AM roycroft: they're attached to the wall
11:27 AM roycroft: they can't tip over
11:27 AM LeelooMinai: Right, I ran out of the wall space though:(
11:27 AM archivist: I have my small taps, gear cutters and medium screws/nuts in drawers about £9 a set
11:29 AM LeelooMinai: For small screws I just get things like that from china: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/12-Kinds-600Pcs-set-of-Stainless-Steel-Screws-Nuts-Assortment-Kit-M1-M1-2-M/32779605810.html
11:29 AM LeelooMinai: And I am covered for life probably.
11:29 AM roycroft: http://zymurgasm.com/BrewSystem/TwoKeggles/img_0801.jpeg
11:29 AM roycroft: you can see the wall of fasteners in the background there
11:30 AM LeelooMinai: What is that... some beer-nerd contraptions?
11:30 AM roycroft: yes, it's part of my brew system
11:31 AM LeelooMinai: Looks shiny:)
11:31 AM roycroft: i could compact the existing fastener storage significantly with sortimo-like boxes
11:31 AM roycroft: and regain all that wall space (which i could really use)
11:31 AM roycroft: it took a lot of work to make those kegs shiny like that
11:31 AM roycroft: hours and hours of polishing
11:31 AM archivist: finding becomes harder with those boxes
11:31 AM roycroft: if they are organized properly and labeled it should not be harder
11:32 AM LeelooMinai: archivist: Not if you have some sane labelling system.
11:32 AM roycroft: it might take slightly longer to retrieve a fastener/part, but even that not necessarily so
11:32 AM archivist: I have barcodes and labels
11:32 AM LeelooMinai: In my experience bad organization is better than no organization.
11:33 AM archivist: bench will be full so you cannot build a stack of boxes you have already looked through
11:33 AM roycroft: if i start getting sortimo boxes, i'll build roll-around carts to hold them
11:33 AM roycroft: they won't be stacked anywhere
11:34 AM LeelooMinai: archivist: Right, so instead of boxes you have a pile of stuff on bench you need to dig through - does not seem like a good idea to me:)
11:34 AM roycroft: basically i would build a carcase and add shelves to each hld one sortimo
11:34 AM LeelooMinai: Well, I don't know...
11:35 AM archivist: I am a bit more organised http://www.collection.archivist.info/shelfview.php?src=artitle&locid=568
11:35 AM roycroft: i don't have and won't have barcodes on my parts bins
11:35 AM LeelooMinai: ... another idea is to have them at angle on the wall so that you can see through, but that will take much more space - but much fasdter to find anything and teke off.
11:35 AM archivist: http://www.collection.archivist.info/shelfview.php?src=artitle&locid=197
11:36 AM LeelooMinai: O, my sister brought me "a pile of hoickey pucks" from CanadianTire:)
11:37 AM roycroft: but i do have an ad-hoc inventory control system that works well for me
11:37 AM LeelooMinai: will see if they work as stepper motor dumpeners.
11:37 AM roycroft: every bin is labeled with every part that is in it
11:37 AM roycroft: i use these stickers:
11:37 AM roycroft: http://www.staples.com/Avery-5795-Round-1-4-Diameter-Color-Coding-Labels-Assorted-Colors-760-Pack/product_298182
11:37 AM roycroft: i apply them to the labels for each part
11:37 AM LeelooMinai: roycroft: I wrote whole software for my electronic parts database.
11:38 AM roycroft: green means i have plenty, yellow means i'm low, red means i'm out, and blue means do not restock when gone
11:38 AM roycroft: and i have a white board in my shop
11:38 AM roycroft: when something goes from green to yellow or red, i write it on the white board
11:38 AM LeelooMinai: Otherwise I would not be able to have control over it.
11:39 AM LeelooMinai: Looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/9dznL7y.png
11:40 AM LeelooMinai: And each part has ID, and I have ids on zillion little boxes.
11:40 AM LeelooMinai: And little boxes are in larger grids and each grid, etc.
11:42 AM roycroft: i should do something like that some day
11:42 AM roycroft: but in the meantime, my ad hoc system works for me
11:42 AM Tom_itx: what's that written in?
11:42 AM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
11:42 AM LeelooMinai: well, obviously, you would not write the whole software, that's just my OCD, but you can just use a spreadsheet - that's better than nothing.
11:43 AM Tom_L: i probably would
11:43 AM roycroft: colored dots work for me :)
11:43 AM LeelooMinai: Tom_L: Have a guess:)
11:43 AM roycroft: when i'm starting a new project, i generate a list of fasteners that i need and go do a quick inventory check
11:44 AM roycroft: and when i need to go to eugene fastener to get something, i try to scan my fastener inventory and take note of any yellow and red dots, and add those items to my shopping list
11:44 AM LeelooMinai: Right, I have colored dots, but... I would need a Pantone scale or something to cover all the boxes:)
11:44 AM roycroft: when the list on the white board gets big enough, i'll just write it all down and go do a hardware buy
11:45 AM roycroft: i'm not saying my system would work for you
11:45 AM roycroft: just that it works for me
11:46 AM LeelooMinai: Tom_L: It's in Java, but uses Eclipse framework with native OS controls, so looks good.
11:47 AM LeelooMinai: roycroft: You mean you actually polish those kegs or what they are so they are shiny?
11:48 AM Tom_L: neither of which i would use :D
11:48 AM Tom_L: i tried eclipse once and crashed it multiple times so i dumped it
11:49 AM Tom_L: java speaks for itself
11:49 AM roycroft: yes, i did polish them
11:49 AM roycroft: and there are two reasons for that:
11:49 AM roycroft: 1. they're a lot easier to clean
11:49 AM archivist: java crashes for everyone
11:49 AM LeelooMinai: Tom_L: Don't even go into there - would have to spend an hour tormenting you with arguments, and no one wants to see that happen:p
11:49 AM roycroft: 2. there's about 3 orders of magnitude less surface area when they're polished
11:50 AM roycroft: the second reason has to do with insulating value
11:50 AM roycroft: the mash tun has to be held fairly precisely at around 63-68 degrees (depending on the recipe) for up to 2 hours
11:51 AM roycroft: so having the vessel radiate less heat makes it easier to hold the temperature
11:51 AM LeelooMinai: archivist: Nice trolling:)
11:51 AM roycroft: it took me about 6 hours to polish each one
11:52 AM archivist: LeelooMinai, mine is mysql and php therefore works almost anywhere
11:53 AM LeelooMinai: Ok, that's mental... I mean I was doing similar thing when I was doing MTB, but it only involved cranks (they were alu,) - everyone was asking me how do I get them to look like mirrors. But of course 5 minutes into the marathon they looked like someone dragged them through mud, probably because that's what actually happened:)
11:54 AM LeelooMinai: archivist: Well, ok, I will give you bonus point for comedic value there for countering Java with PHP:)
11:55 AM LeelooMinai: roycroft: Er, cannot you, I don't know... automate it?
11:55 AM archivist: those map images are live :)
11:56 AM LeelooMinai: I would make some contraption that rotates the barell against a polishing "thing".
11:56 AM archivist: that still takes time
11:57 AM LeelooMinai: archivist: Not if it's automated - that is the barrel turns and the buffing wheel moves vertically.
11:57 AM archivist: polishing is faster if you go up the grits in sequence
11:58 AM LeelooMinai: Well, I think with alu you are at the paste stage pretty fast - I think you could just use course paste at the start.
11:58 AM LeelooMinai: Unless those barells are terrible at the beginning.
11:58 AM LeelooMinai: But if I had to polish those for 6 hours...
11:59 AM archivist: for brewing probably stainless
11:59 AM LeelooMinai: A, right, they are probably steel. Ok, but same, I guess you can use different grades of paste.
12:00 PM archivist: I dont use paste that much, generally papers
12:00 PM LeelooMinai: Tirn the robot on, polish 10 of them in a day and do something else in the meantime imo:)
12:01 PM LeelooMinai: linuxcnc for control - one vertical axis for the polisher, one for the round table.
12:02 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, Maybe some sensor for the pressure against the barrel.
12:02 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm...
12:03 PM LeelooMinai: Or I wonder if a simpler/better desing would be something like two polishing cylinders close together and rotating in oposite directions - you could jsut put the barell on top of them.
12:04 PM LeelooMinai: Then you would have uniform pressure just by gravity.
12:04 PM LeelooMinai: I mean cylinders on the floor, horizontally.
12:05 PM LeelooMinai: With some shape more or less matching the barrel and "fluffy" enough to cover all the surface.
12:06 PM LeelooMinai: "Why am I thinking about how to make a barrel polishers? How did you get here... I need help:("
12:18 PM roycroft: those kegs are stainless steel
12:18 PM roycroft: very very hard
12:18 PM roycroft: i made a cradle so that i could hold one horizontally at a comfortable height
12:19 PM roycroft: then i took a random orbital sander
12:19 PM roycroft: started at 80 grit
12:19 PM roycroft: worked my way up to 320 grit
12:19 PM roycroft: then pulled out a polisher with a lambswool pad
12:21 PM roycroft: and started polishing with black stainless compound, then grey stainless, then white rouge
12:21 PM roycroft: i did all of this before i had the tri-clamp ferrules welded on
12:21 PM roycroft: it would have been a lot harder if the weldments had been in place already
12:27 PM LeelooMinai: O, that touch screen 21 inch industrial monitor reached the "border pickup" place at Niagara Falls.
12:28 PM LeelooMinai: Partial success.
12:28 PM roycroft: i ordered the drive screw assortment a la carte
12:28 PM LeelooMinai: No idea yet if it will work with linuxcnc.
12:29 PM roycroft: but no storage box for them yet
12:29 PM LeelooMinai: What is a "drive screw"?
12:29 PM roycroft: you find them used to attach plaques to machinery a lot
12:30 PM roycroft: if you see something holding a plaque on that looks like a round rivet head, that's a drive screw
12:30 PM LeelooMinai: With english you can pretty much glue two words together randomly and it will mean something, possibly completelly unreleted:)
12:30 PM roycroft: there's a shaft with grooves along it
12:30 PM roycroft: and a round head
12:30 PM LeelooMinai: Like, say "moon screw" - could exist, why not, I have no idea.
12:30 PM roycroft: you drill a slightly undersize hole
12:30 PM roycroft: and pound the drive srew into it
12:30 PM roycroft: one moment
12:30 PM roycroft: https://www.mcmaster.com/#91654a077/=17rmns4
12:31 PM roycroft: that's a drive srew
12:31 PM roycroft: screw
12:31 PM LeelooMinai: So, kind of a self-threading one?
12:31 PM roycroft: yes
12:31 PM roycroft: sort of
12:31 PM roycroft: really commonly used in cast iron
12:31 PM LeelooMinai: But with weir thread - almost like a helical flute
12:31 PM roycroft: yes
12:31 PM roycroft: they're meant for permanent installation
12:32 PM roycroft: but you can take a cold chisel, nick the head of one
12:32 PM roycroft: and then use a small slotting file to cut a slot in it
12:32 PM roycroft: and twist it out with a slotted screwdriver
12:32 PM LeelooMinai: Never used those - I don't like permanent fasteners for hobby I guess.
12:33 PM roycroft: if you're ever refurbishing a piece of equipment that uses them it's good to know how they work and how to remove/replace them
12:33 PM LeelooMinai: They are removable?
12:33 PM roycroft: they are not designed to be removable
12:34 PM roycroft: but i just described a method that works well for removing them
12:34 PM LeelooMinai: A, right, making them into flat head screw
12:34 PM roycroft: yes
12:35 PM roycroft: in some cases you might be able to just drill them out
12:35 PM LeelooMinai: Maybe drilling them and using one of those broken screw removal things could work too - they have left thread.
12:35 PM roycroft: i avoid those tools at all cost
12:35 PM roycroft: they rarely work
12:36 PM roycroft: and usually make more of a mess than the broken screw itself was
12:36 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I would think they should work (never used them though)
12:36 PM roycroft: they don't work well
12:36 PM LeelooMinai: But I guess problem may be that you are using dmaller diameter to unscrew larger one, so forces are against you.
12:36 PM roycroft: you'll find lots of brand new sets at garage sales
12:37 PM roycroft: because people buy them for a problem, try them once, find they don't work, and never try them again
12:37 PM roycroft: the tapered square ones work better than the ones with the helical flutes
12:38 PM roycroft: but even those don't work particularly well
12:38 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I guess they need some super-tough material to even have a chance to work, so cheap ones are less than useless.
12:38 PM roycroft: you have to drill out the screw quite deeply, and almost its full diameter, for the extraction tool to get a good grip on it
12:39 PM roycroft: and at that point it's usually easier to just keep drilling, and use a tiny cold chisel to push the remnants of the screw in so that you can extract it
12:39 PM LeelooMinai: I once broken a small tap in alu - did not even attempt to get it out - seemed futile.
12:39 PM roycroft: removing a broken tap usually requires a lot of patience
12:40 PM LeelooMinai: You put salted water on it and wait 10 years to corrode? :)
12:42 PM LeelooMinai: Anyone seen the new US budget they came up with?
12:44 PM Todd_Z_: Since when did the US ever have a budget???
12:45 PM LeelooMinai: My guess is since forever? :p
12:48 PM LeelooMinai: This is their new one for 2017: https://i.cbc.ca/1.4028005.1489697566!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_620/budget.jpg
12:48 PM LeelooMinai: Not sure how people even put up with this.
12:49 PM archivist: the voted for it!
12:50 PM LeelooMinai: That's like a slow deathwish imo - they must be maschists:)
12:52 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, those hockey pucks are harder than I thought.
12:52 PM LeelooMinai: Look pretty bullet-proof.
12:53 PM LeelooMinai: Probably that's why hockeyplaers now must have face protection:)
12:54 PM LeelooMinai: I almost start to wonder how anyone is alive at the end of hockey match.
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:54 PM roycroft: hockey pucks are pretty dense
12:54 PM roycroft: they can be machined pretty easily if you freeze them first, btw
12:55 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I suspected they are hard0rubber, but this is like a stone.
12:55 PM LeelooMinai: If I threw it at someone, it could probably kill them.
12:56 PM LeelooMinai: roycroft: I may need to drill them for a coupler to put them on the back axle part of steppers - not sure yet.
12:56 PM LeelooMinai: I guess freezing them before that makes sense.
12:56 PM roycroft: freezing them first really works well
12:56 PM roycroft: drilling will be gummy otherwise
12:56 PM LeelooMinai: Right
12:57 PM LeelooMinai: I think I will design some mounts that will accomodate both the puck and the encoders - I have 3 of them by now from China, so they are ready. I also have encoder card from Mesa.
12:57 PM roycroft: http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=70869&cat=1,43326
12:57 PM roycroft: that might be a reasonable alternative to sortimo
12:58 PM roycroft: still at a fraction of the cost
12:58 PM roycroft: i'm a big fan of lee valley
12:59 PM roycroft: hmm, mayhap not as inexpensive as they appear at first glance
12:59 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I bough some useful things from there foor good price, like my little surface plate - love this thing, but, it's a weird shop - some strange butique almost shop for woodworkers with many oveprices gadgets of questionable value.
01:00 PM LeelooMinai: I mean bizzare "japanese" woodworking tools for prices as if they were made from gold, etc:)
01:00 PM LeelooMinai: But it's a mix, some reasonable items are there too.
01:01 PM LeelooMinai: Guess it's a "wodworking geek" haeven.
01:03 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, one day I need to figure out how to make super-flat surfaces by lapping or something - using a surface plate.
01:04 PM LeelooMinai: At least I was people doing that once on a video, but now I don't recall how it is that you do that and do not worry about ruining the plate itself.
01:04 PM LeelooMinai: at least I saw*
01:05 PM LeelooMinai: To make z-touch thingy for example, I better have something flat on top.
01:06 PM roycroft: you make things really flat by scraping them
01:06 PM roycroft: you use the surface plate as a reference
01:06 PM LeelooMinai: I right, now I remember - they used the plate to see some paint marks.
01:06 PM roycroft: put a bluing compound on the surface plate
01:06 PM roycroft: set the part on it
01:06 PM roycroft: rub gently
01:06 PM roycroft: lift it up
01:06 PM roycroft: and scrape the blue bits
01:07 PM roycroft: that is a way oversimplified description of the process
01:07 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm...
01:07 PM LeelooMinai: It's called bluing compound"?
01:08 PM roycroft: prussian blue is the traditional stuff
01:08 PM LeelooMinai: Is it toxic?
01:09 PM roycroft: probably
01:09 PM roycroft: joseph whitworth himself wrote the first treatise on hand scraping
01:09 PM LeelooMinai: Maybe I can just use something else.
01:09 PM roycroft: back in the 1840s
01:09 PM roycroft: he said to use red ochre and oil
01:11 PM roycroft: honestly, looking at sortimo alternatives, most of the decent ones are priced not much less than sortimo
01:11 PM LeelooMinai: I wonder if those pens for whiteboards would work.
01:11 PM roycroft: and none of them - absolutely none of them - come with all small containers
01:11 PM roycroft: by the time one buys enough ancillary small bins to fill them up they cost much more than sortimo
01:12 PM LeelooMinai: Typical marketing trap.
01:12 PM LeelooMinai: Sell something that is a "base" cheap, and then kill people with prices to make the base functional:)
01:13 PM roycroft: even the "cheap" ones from harbor freight get really expensie if you need small bins
01:13 PM roycroft: because you have to buy 5 of them to get enough small bins to fill one
01:13 PM roycroft: and now your're into one for almost $50, and still only have about 30 bins
01:14 PM roycroft: vs. 48 with sortimo, for $60
01:14 PM LeelooMinai: a conspiracy theory - they overprice organizers so people stay unorganized, lose stuff, and need to rebuy it:)
01:14 PM roycroft: sometimes the expensive thing is the cheapest
01:15 PM LeelooMinai: lol, fail: https://www.amazon.ca/Permatex-80038-Prussian-Blue-Tube/dp/B01N1I84I1/ref=sr_1_25?ie=UTF8&qid=1495647863&sr=8-25&keywords=prussian+blue
01:15 PM roycroft: it's <$8 here
01:15 PM roycroft: for the exact same thing
01:16 PM LeelooMinai: I have seen items sold on Amazon US that were 1/10th the price of same company selling them in Canada.
01:17 PM roycroft: you need a mail drop just south of the border
01:17 PM roycroft: i think blaine washington has >1 post office box per capita
01:17 PM LeelooMinai: lol, right, I just forgot that I got an item there.
01:18 PM LeelooMinai: roycroft: I ordered touch screen from US into one of those border account places.
01:18 PM LeelooMinai: So I am testing it already.
01:19 PM LeelooMinai: Since they wanted $100 for postage to Canada - the bastards!
01:24 PM LeelooMinai: roycroft: You use a service like that?
01:27 PM roycroft: no, i don't, because i'm in the us
01:28 PM LeelooMinai: Er, somehow I thought you are in Canada
01:28 PM roycroft: i do have a friend in vancouver who will occasionally forward something from canada to me
01:28 PM roycroft: and i to him
01:28 PM FinboySlick: LeelooMinai: I'm the canadian one.
01:28 PM roycroft: i have an honourary canadian citizenship certificate that a canadian friend issued to me some years ago!
01:28 PM LeelooMinai: Ok
01:28 PM JT-Shop: I'm the redneck one
01:29 PM LeelooMinai: roycroft: lol, the what? Did not know such things exist.
01:29 PM roycroft: anything exists if you make it
01:30 PM roycroft: i think i got it because i can name all the provinces and territories, and know how to pronounce "sorry" correctly :)
01:30 PM FinboySlick: There was another Canadian here, but he lost his title after putting a V8 in an RX7.
01:30 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, they marked this monitor as "laptop". The duty PDF tells me that there's no duty from US to Canada on computer equipment, so maybe I am safe to specify original price.
01:30 PM FinboySlick: Canadian citizenship is denied to people who commit crimes against humanity.
01:30 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8 from Germany
01:31 PM roycroft: i also know what "kraft dinner" is
01:31 PM LeelooMinai: FinboySlick: Ok... sounds reasonable:)
01:32 PM FinboySlick: LeelooMinai: There's a leak in our intelligence department! They figured out Kraft Dinner!
01:32 PM roycroft: i used to live right by the border, leeloominai
01:32 PM LeelooMinai: So if Trumps decides to flee US, he will have to jump over the wall in the south:p
01:32 PM roycroft: i got vancover tv/radio stations ota
01:32 PM roycroft: and vancover was where would go for dinner and concerts and stuff
01:32 PM roycroft: it was closer than seattle
01:32 PM roycroft: vancouver, dammit
01:32 PM roycroft: my 'u' key is sticky today
01:32 PM roycroft: or my 'u' key finger is sticky today
01:33 PM roycroft: probably the latter
01:33 PM LeelooMinai: One finger per key
01:33 PM LeelooMinai: Must be useful:)
01:38 PM FinboySlick: LeelooMinai: Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_6hxB1OK00
01:40 PM LeelooMinai: I think with this technology it would be easier to just have an USB output from the brain:p
01:41 PM FinboySlick: Don't question anime logic.
01:45 PM LeelooMinai: In a surface plate description: " Smooth ball-bearing surface"<- what does that even mean?
01:46 PM FinboySlick: That it's so un-flat that it's perfectly spherical ;)
01:47 PM FinboySlick: LeelooMinai: You trying your hand at scraping?
01:48 PM LeelooMinai: Well, just on one of my mental field trips - wondering if I could produce small very-flat surfaces at home if I need them.
01:49 PM FinboySlick: LeelooMinai: I actually pondered that myself. HD platters are very flat but kinda bendy. But if you can stack 10 or so of them, I think you'd have a good flat reference.
01:49 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I thought about those, but... I don't think using them, for example, to touch-off a carbide mill would be a good idea:)
01:50 PM FinboySlick: If it weren't for shipping, granite surface plates aren't too expensive.
01:51 PM LeelooMinai: I was just going to say exactly that - KBC 12x18 one is only $94
01:51 PM LeelooMinai: But, 35kg
01:51 PM FinboySlick: http://www.busybeetools.com/products/surface-plate-12in-x-18in-x-3in.html
01:52 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm...
01:52 PM LeelooMinai: That's cheap...
01:52 PM FinboySlick: If you pay 40$ shipping, that's like free shipping on the KBC one.
01:53 PM FinboySlick: Get 3 of them, that way you can reference them ;)
01:53 PM LeelooMinai: They have free shioing over $100, but probably does not apply to heavy buggers like that:)
01:53 PM LeelooMinai: free shipping*
01:54 PM FinboySlick: Free shipping is for items under 30kg.
01:54 PM FinboySlick: They thought of that.
01:54 PM FinboySlick: Or, most likely, they didn't, then they were reminded.
01:54 PM LeelooMinai: "Please call for rates Over 30 Kg", right
01:55 PM LeelooMinai: It being 35kg - I would even not be able to put it on my CNC bed without injuring my spine.
01:55 PM LeelooMinai: Would need a hoist probably:)
01:55 PM FinboySlick: You can lift 35kg. That's like 35 pounds... twice.
01:56 PM LeelooMinai: What I can lift and it being a good idea are two different things:p
01:56 PM FinboySlick: It becomes a bad idea when you drop it on your toes.
01:57 PM LeelooMinai: Or your spine breaks in half...
01:58 PM FinboySlick: They used to sell larger ones too.
01:58 PM roycroft: one of the big reasons i'd like to build a new shop, besides having more space, is that i could make the ceiling higher and have room for a full shop gantry crane
02:00 PM FinboySlick: There's a shop not too far from here that makes granite tombstones. Trouble is that the size advantage I'd gain makes them sort of impractical to lap together flat.
02:01 PM LeelooMinai: Cannot they make something like a liquid surface plate? You pour it in, it solidifies, and you have something super-flat:)
02:02 PM FinboySlick: LeelooMinai: Epoxy does that. But typically no better than 0.001"
02:02 PM FinboySlick: Which is still pretty good.
02:02 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, right, but it's not really as hard.
02:02 PM FinboySlick: But it's a factor worse than a typical surface plate.
02:02 PM LeelooMinai: I mean not hard as granite.
02:10 PM roycroft: more than an order of magnitude worse
02:10 PM roycroft: and what happens when you chip epoxy?
02:10 PM roycroft: does it chip out cleanly?
02:10 PM roycroft: does it deform and form ridges?
02:14 PM roycroft: a lot of folks like steel surface plates, but the really nice thing about granite is that it chips out cleanly
02:14 PM roycroft: i honestly cannot find any product that is as space-efficient as sortimo for less money than sortimo
02:17 PM roycroft: i should go price out the metal sortimo boxes, so that i can feel better about the $60 plastic ones :)
02:18 PM roycroft: oh, the metal ones aren't all that much more, other than not being available in north america
02:18 PM roycroft: and shipping from the uk or australia would be cost prohibitive
02:27 PM roycroft: so sortimo it is
02:27 PM * roycroft just ordered one, and will start designing a rack to hold them
03:21 PM JT-Shop: I hate writing quotes :(
03:47 PM phipli: JT-Shop: what form does it take? Price breakdown, or details of what you're planning?
03:47 PM phipli: I hate working to other peoples estimates more than I hate doing them
03:47 PM phipli: so try to do my own
03:53 PM JT-Shop: just a total with a description of the work
03:57 PM roycroft: blah
03:58 PM roycroft: of course i had a different idea about storage right after i ordered a sortimo
03:58 PM roycroft: oh well
03:58 PM roycroft: i requested cancellation of the order - i'll see if they honor it
03:58 PM roycroft: if not, i'll use it for something and likely proceed with my other idea
03:59 PM roycroft: they claim it taks 5-7 days to ship, so i don't see any good reason for them not to honor the cancellation request
04:14 PM gregcnc_ is now known as gregcnc
04:18 PM roycroft: awesome
04:18 PM roycroft: sortimo agreed to canel
04:18 PM roycroft: cancel
04:18 PM roycroft: that means i'll consider them again in the future
04:18 PM roycroft: which may be tomorrow :)
04:18 PM roycroft: i just want to sketch out my new idea a bit first
04:21 PM XXCoder: roycroft: what was your cancel reason?
04:21 PM XXCoder: (not stated here but on your request)
04:30 PM Crom: wow, just found out I'm a nerd, geek, and a dorf...
04:30 PM Crom: and proud of it
04:30 PM Crom: dork
04:30 PM Jymmm: Crom: Pfff we knew that LOOOOONG ago, what took you so long?
04:32 PM Crom: nerd is geeky about knowledge, a geek is a dork about thier hobbies, and a dork knows the difference between nerdy and geeky
04:32 PM Jymmm: Eh, not my definitions, but whatever
04:36 PM * JT-Shop has been married 30 years today :)
04:37 PM Jymmm: JT-Shop: Up for parole yet? (CONGRATS)
04:39 PM JT-Shop: lol, no time spent in the dog house yet
04:40 PM phiplii: Congratulations JT-Shop
04:41 PM JT-Shop: thanks, looking forward to many more years :)
04:41 PM phiplii: :)
04:41 PM JT-Shop: ran into a chicken door problem with the photocell, a thunderstorm made the door go down with the chicks out in the run due to low light so I'm switching to a timer
04:42 PM Jymmm: 89 years, 3 months, 3 weeks, 4 days, 11 hours, 29 muinutes, and 32... 31... seconds to go ;)
04:42 PM phiplii: connect it to the internet and fetch the sunset / sunrise times...
04:42 PM phiplii: :)
04:43 PM roycroft: you could use a timer + photocell
04:43 PM roycroft: setting up to guarantee it's open during certain hours, and letting the photocell control it the rest of the time
04:43 PM Jymmm: JT-Shop: Maybe change the routine so that up/down doens't occure onless the light level remains consistant for more than 5 minutes?
04:44 PM phiplii: thunderstorm might last ages
04:44 PM phiplii: hum
04:44 PM JT-Shop: it stayed dark for a while
04:44 PM phiplii: I'd just set it to very dark
04:44 PM Jymmm: But the light MUST NOT CHANGE in 5 minutes
04:44 PM phiplii: does it matter if it is still open at dusk?
04:44 PM JT-Shop: I'd like to control it with my Ethernet LAN card so I can have the sunrise/sunset built in
04:45 PM phiplii: ESP8266 + Arduino IDE
04:45 PM phiplii: stick it on wifi
04:45 PM Jymmm: Yeah, you could do that JT-Shop
04:45 PM JT-Shop: I have a ethernet cable out to the coop already
04:45 PM phiplii: they're no more difficult to program than an arduino if you use the Arduino IDE
04:45 PM phiplii: yeah... but ethernet is more faff
04:45 PM Jymmm: esp8266-12e
04:45 PM JT-Shop: I have one as a web server now to test
04:45 PM phiplii: one of those node things
04:46 PM Jymmm: phiplii: that's the -12 I was talking about =)
04:46 PM Deejay: gn8
04:46 PM Jymmm: Deejay: g9
04:46 PM phiplii: or I like those d2 minis
04:46 PM Jymmm: yeah, depening on qty of IO needed
04:47 PM phiplii: https://www.banggood.com/WeMos-D1-Mini-V2-NodeMcu-4M-Bytes-Lua-WIFI-Internet-Of-Things-Development-Board-Based-ESP8266-p-1115398.html?rmmds=search
04:47 PM phiplii: they kick ass though
04:47 PM phiplii: good for breadboarding
04:48 PM phiplii: I used one in my remote triggered pumpkin last Halloween
04:48 PM phiplii: used a HTTP GET widget on my phone
04:49 PM Jymmm: $2.65 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/D1-mini-Mini-NodeMcu-4M-bytes-Lua-WIFI-Internet-of-Things-development-board-based-ESP8266-by/32647729049.html
04:50 PM Jymmm: thought that's D1, not D2
04:50 PM phiplii: yeah... got some from aliexpress, but banggood = paypall
04:50 PM phiplii: *pal
04:50 PM phiplii: which means refunds when it doesn't turn up
04:50 PM Jymmm: I get refunds from ali just fine.
04:51 PM phiplii: They're all D1s... I just forgot :)
04:51 PM phiplii: I spent weeks arguing "proving" once
04:51 PM phiplii: got a SBC and the EMMC didn't work
04:52 PM phiplii: "We see your video of it failing to turn on, now show us while standing on your head"
04:52 PM phiplii: "Can you show that you had it plugged in with the correct coloured wire?"
04:52 PM phiplii: They were trying to make me give up
04:53 PM phiplii: (I didn't)
04:53 PM Jymmm: but you should have =)
04:53 PM JT-Shop: phiplii: did you see the chicken door test?
04:53 PM phiplii: I didn't
04:54 PM JT-Shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7k8oaLa-7k
04:54 PM phiplii: Jymmm, it was twenty something quid, that is a lot of beer tokens - I'll admit it took far too much of my time...
04:55 PM phiplii: JT-Shop, yeah - that is plenty slow, you'll only catch a /really/ dumb chicken
04:55 PM JT-Shop: phiplii: do you program in arduino?
04:55 PM phiplii: is that a reed switch on the side
04:55 PM JT-Shop: light enough for them to push up
04:55 PM phiplii: JT-Shop, yeah
04:55 PM JT-Shop: yea a door switch for up and down
04:59 PM JT-Shop: ok ino file sent
05:00 PM phiplii: got it
05:01 PM JT-Shop: I put a little delay for the direction relay to be changed before the motor relay for down
05:02 PM JT-Shop: opps missing a bunch of ); got distracted
05:03 PM phiplii: :)
05:04 PM phiplii: complies with four extra ");"
05:04 PM phiplii: I suspect copy->paste
05:04 PM JT-Shop: yea, I was copy and pasting
05:04 PM JT-Shop: then my neighbor came over
05:05 PM rob_h: trying to guillotine them poor chickens already
05:05 PM JT-Shop: just a pat on the butt to make them lay more eggs lol
05:06 PM phiplii: expensive way to get meat
05:06 PM phiplii: I can think of better ways
05:06 PM phiplii: stick with the eggs
05:06 PM phiplii: the long game
05:07 PM rob_h: alot things u can make with an egg too
05:07 PM phiplii: You missed Serial.begin
05:07 PM JT-Shop: opps
05:07 PM phiplii: does the debug comment "Ready for Chickens" appear?
05:07 PM phiplii: I'm kind of curious
05:08 PM JT-Shop: it will after I added serial begin lol
05:08 PM JT-Shop: I wrote that one from scratch
05:09 PM phiplii: :)
05:09 PM Crom: need a edge touch sensor... motor will keep going if a chicken stands there
05:09 PM JT-Shop: yea after 1 second I get Ready for Chickens on the serial monitor
05:09 PM phiplii: now, or as it was?
05:09 PM JT-Shop: now, without serial begin you don't get any communications afaik
05:10 PM phiplii: I was wondering if some default state was initialised
05:10 PM JT-Shop: dunno, I can leave it off and see
05:11 PM JT-Shop: nope it is needed
05:42 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, do they respond to time of day or daylight?
05:43 PM JT-Shop: lol they can't tell time
05:45 PM Tom_L: better account for eclipse too
05:46 PM JT-Shop: what about a leap year?
05:47 PM Tom_L: congrats too btw
05:48 PM JT-Shop: thanks, the wife was very surprised I got her 24 roses and a porterhouse for dinner
05:51 PM dioz: JT-Shop: what you wearin buddy?
05:52 PM JT-Shop: a big smile
05:53 PM dioz: show me your teefies
05:53 PM dioz: so my test today...
05:54 PM dioz: i had to draft a flat on bottom 45 degree intersect 6in pipe and 4in intersect
05:54 PM dioz: basically parallel line development
05:54 PM dioz: gf asks me what i do at trade school...
05:55 PM dioz: i tell her "beer and lines"
05:55 PM dioz: she thinks i'm partying
05:55 PM dioz: drawing lines isn't much of a party
05:55 PM dioz: hundreds and hundreds of lines
05:56 PM dioz: 1/2 in = 1 in
05:56 PM dioz: we laaaaugh
05:57 PM dioz: i totally wanna play with cad though. i got some plans in my head i need to build
05:57 PM dioz: never done nothin with cad
05:57 PM dioz: spent 13 years unix/linux admin... never done cad
05:58 PM dioz: i imagine it's a terminology barrior at this time
05:58 PM dioz: "extrude" for example
06:00 PM dioz: looking at a sait certificate online for cad
06:00 PM dioz: alberta technical school
06:00 PM dioz: idk if it's worth while or if a brother should just watch a million youtube vids abd rtfm
06:01 PM dioz: how hard could it be?
06:02 PM gregcnc: a few clicks and swipes of the mouse....done
06:02 PM dioz: exactly
06:03 PM jdh: I took autocad classes after 30 years of using computers
06:03 PM dioz: fuck man they said 2nd year trade school is horrible. we're learning how to convert decimals to fractions. using trig functions to determine lengths. we're determining area and perimeter of simple objects
06:03 PM dioz: i'm like "so when this get hard?"
06:04 PM dioz: we do volume next!
06:05 PM dioz: idk bout you but whoever said the college dropouts go to trades got me scared now...
06:05 PM dioz: if the idea is trades guys are dumb think of the result of their product...
06:05 PM dioz: you wanna live in a building made by a dummie?
06:06 PM dioz: never the mind i seen some simple cunts in my time
06:07 PM dioz: strong like bull. dumb like coke machine
06:07 PM dioz: ask 'em for a bottle of steam or a pipe stretcher
06:08 PM dioz: this gif made me lol
06:08 PM dioz: Fuck Health & Safety https://imgur.com/gallery/KyT6T
06:08 PM dioz: drive it like you stole isome of them ewuipment operators are pimp though
06:09 PM dioz: my buddy operates
06:10 PM dioz: says he's the best in the city... but they all say that
06:10 PM SpeedEvil: Does he play a mean pinball?
06:10 PM dioz: he was sponsored for pitching baseball... full ride. caugh his finger in the tail gate of a tandem and chopped it off
06:11 PM dioz: ruined his pitching career
06:11 PM dioz: he operates equipment now
06:11 PM dioz: faaaat fuck
06:12 PM dioz: they put a pin in and made a rigid joint for his finger
06:12 PM dioz: so he couldn't hold a baeball the same way
06:16 PM tiwake: dododo
06:19 PM dioz: some of my favorite people to talk to are truckers
06:19 PM dioz: i always ask 'em if they chained up to get here
06:20 PM dioz: it's a suggestion that they might be shitty drivers.
06:20 PM dioz: kind of along the same lines of asking them where the biggest aggricultural sheep operations are
06:20 PM dioz: it's an implication that it gets lonely on the road so truckers fornicate with sheep to pass the time
06:21 PM dioz: "i see a truck stop sign ahead so i change lanes... i need a cup of coffee and a couple dollars change. callin batton rouge"
06:22 PM dioz: three ways to develop a pattern are radial line development, parallel line development and triangulation
06:24 PM dioz: i've never used a tap and die set. tonorrow we're being forced to drill countersink tap and die some holes
06:24 PM dioz: i think 14 gauge plate
06:24 PM gregcnc: tmr you'll learn the tap is for holes and the die is for rod
06:24 PM dioz: mild steel
06:25 PM dioz: makes sense.
06:26 PM dioz: first time using a press brake and iron worker... they gave us plans without a final picture. we had to make 2 items
06:26 PM dioz: none of my holes lined up
06:26 PM dioz: none of my bends lined up
06:27 PM dioz: we had to change the punch and v die to complete the operation
06:27 PM dioz: apparently i didn't align it well
06:28 PM dioz: other guys just used it after me too
06:28 PM dioz: it fucked up about a third of the class
06:28 PM dioz: i laughed
06:28 PM dioz: i didn't get in shit either. teacher dude was like "you guys are supposed to check that yourselves"
06:29 PM dioz: as in... individually
06:31 PM andypugh: I am impressed by that driving. Nobody should be _told_ to do that, but if you know the machine and know the terrain… He is 100% in control all the time.
06:32 PM dioz: oh yah he nails it
06:32 PM dioz: "just send it bro you're good"
06:32 PM dioz: till that one time something fucks up and he ends up on his lid
06:33 PM dioz: i don't think i'll cut myself when i work with sheet metal... but when i do i still bleed
06:34 PM dioz: operator owned machine hopefully is all i'm sayin
06:39 PM andypugh: Risk assessment: What could go wrong: Might end up upside down in soft ground. Action: Get the guy with the camera to dig me out.
06:44 PM dioz: buckle up!
06:44 PM Jymmm: andypugh: ... AFTER he's laighed hsis ass off and posted to you tube... of course =)
06:45 PM Jymmm: laughed his*
06:47 PM andypugh: I would probably be able to persuade myself to ride my enduro bike off that edge, and see what happened. Though silding down a dune in the company of a 100kg motorcycle is probably less scary than doing it with a 20 ton digger.
06:47 PM SpeedEvil: The rollcage will help though.
06:48 PM SpeedEvil: To make finding your body easier.
06:49 PM dioz: i'd stoppie the whole hill on my street bike
06:49 PM malcom2073: Just find the center of the metal cage, the squishy bits
06:51 PM dioz: i went out for more beer and ended up with a hot dog and a pizza and dozen raisin bran muffins
06:52 PM dioz: still no beer though
06:52 PM dioz: i'mma smash the heck out of these muffins
07:12 PM dioz: so boys
07:13 PM dioz: who wants to let me play with their hardware?
07:13 PM dioz: i'm handy with the steel if you know what i mean
07:13 PM dioz: i earn my keep
07:22 PM andypugh: dioz: You surprise me, I had actually assumed that you had already had many beers tonight.
07:22 PM andypugh: You seem, what’s the word, “voluble”
07:23 PM dioz: i had a 3 pack
07:23 PM dioz: then i re-up on 3(2) more
07:23 PM dioz: so now i'm 3^3
07:24 PM andypugh: Work tomorrow>
07:24 PM andypugh: ?
07:24 PM dioz: i got a math test first thing tomorrow
07:24 PM dioz: 8am sharp
07:25 PM andypugh: Maths is easy, being hung over is no big deal :-)
07:25 PM dioz: i also have a bunch of isometric drawings to do
07:26 PM dioz: dude. it's area of simple objects and circcumference
07:26 PM dioz: i'm calc
07:26 PM dioz: i took a 50% pay cut to pick up a trade
07:27 PM andypugh: Sorry, did I sound sarcastic? I didn’t mean to.
07:27 PM dioz: it's how to convert fractions to decimals and vice versa
07:27 PM dioz: it's calculating circumfernce and area of simple objects
07:27 PM dioz: inbd
07:28 PM dioz: i'mma be like 2+2 is five
07:33 PM andypugh: I am reminded of a joke: There are 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary, those who dont. And those who think this joke is in trinary. Another 0xC who like their jokes in Hex (and so on)
07:37 PM dioz: i try and convince people the things i'm telling then are important
07:38 PM dioz: i read a book by j.d vance called "hillbilly elegy"
07:38 PM dioz: actually i only read the first 3 chapters cause that's all i could get for free
07:38 PM dioz: i'd read them again if i had to
07:39 PM andypugh: Jack Vance is more fun :-)
07:40 PM dioz: idk who that is
07:41 PM andypugh: Science Fiction author. Very good.
07:41 PM dioz: if you could only pick one tool what tool would you pick?
07:42 PM dioz: with that tool you can do whatever you want
07:42 PM dioz: but you can only start with one tool
07:43 PM andypugh: Only one?
07:43 PM dioz: i think a spinning tool of sorts
07:43 PM dioz: like a drill or a dremel
07:44 PM andypugh: Maybe a file?
07:44 PM SpeedEvil: Does 'china' count?
07:44 PM dioz: oh i was thinking power tool i guess
07:44 PM andypugh: I would say “cold chisel” but you are not allowing me a hammer.
07:44 PM dioz: my bad disregard
07:44 PM SpeedEvil: That nice 5 axis FDM+mill I saw.
07:44 PM SpeedEvil: then.
07:45 PM dioz: now you've taken it too far... a hand power tool
07:45 PM andypugh: Anyway… Sleepytimes
07:46 PM SpeedEvil: I am unsure that a powertool (without an infinite bit supply) would get you very far
07:46 PM dioz: true
07:46 PM dioz: what is the thing on the star ship enterprise that can materialize something from nothing called?
07:46 PM dioz: i want that
07:46 PM SpeedEvil: replicator
07:47 PM dioz: wanna invent it with me?
07:47 PM dioz: sure you might carry most of the load and sure i might not do anything
07:47 PM dioz: but at least we done it together
08:08 PM dioz: can someone tell me area of a trapezoid?
08:09 PM BeachBumPete: I think you break it up into a square and triangles no?
08:10 PM djdelorie: (b1+b2)*h/2 https://www.google.com/search?q=area+trapezoid
08:16 PM dioz: huh?
08:17 PM dioz: shouldn't it be ((b1+b2)/2)*h?
08:17 PM jdh: ok
08:19 PM dioz: is it the same thing?
08:19 PM dioz: it is the same thing
08:22 PM dioz: whether i determine the average distance of the two "bases" then times them by the altitude then divide it
08:22 PM dioz: or
08:22 PM dioz: i takes the average of the bases and times it by the altitude it'll be the same thing
08:22 PM dioz: my brothers
08:23 PM dioz: i said the same things two times
08:23 PM dioz: btw
08:26 PM Cromaglious_: arduino code to display vk16e GPS module data on a DF Robot LCD with backlight dimming https://pastebin.com/47EidDHd
08:28 PM malcom2073: Nifty
08:29 PM malcom2073: speaking of arduino: http://i.imgur.com/HKRY36P.png atmega2651 based CAN relay module
08:30 PM malcom2073: Going to use arduino libs for ease of development, should be fast enough
08:33 PM Cromaglious_: Working on converting a spreadsheet I use to calculate Gores (skirt panels) to an uno with an LCD
08:39 PM malcom2073: skirt panels?
08:42 PM Cromaglious_: not only are they used for skirts for girls.. the math is the same for figuring peplums for coats, mens and womens (the bottom skirty part
08:44 PM Cromaglious_: also christmas tree skirts
08:46 PM Cromaglious_: When we get a pattern for a gored skirt or peplum, we toss it and use our math... always uses less fabric
08:46 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, any idea what is the torque for 20mm chinese linear supported rail guides? For the M5 screws that go to the bottom and hold the support and the rod together.
08:47 PM LeelooMinai: I am not sure if mine are tightened properly, but on the other hand do not want to break the thread or something.
08:47 PM malcom2073: Oh cool
08:47 PM Cromaglious_: hmm screw is going into steel, are the screws 8.8 or 12.9 class?
08:48 PM LeelooMinai: Rail is steel and screws are steel too - I think 8.8, but not 100% sure. For alu I usually use 5 Nm or so, but I think in this case I could use up to 10, but not sure.
08:50 PM LeelooMinai: (and no, there was no instruction with proper torque for them:)
08:50 PM Cromaglious_: 5.8nm
08:50 PM Cromaglious_: for 12.9 it's 9.7nm
08:51 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, that is pretty low:(
08:51 PM Cromaglious_: http://www.southwestairsports.com/ppgtechinfo/general/torque-values.pdf
08:51 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, mine are socket head.
08:52 PM LeelooMinai: I looked at charts like that, but they are all over the place - not sure if it's sane to consult them.
08:53 PM Cromaglious_: doesn't matter if it is a allen cap or a bolt or a phillips..
08:54 PM LeelooMinai: One would think that maybe, but I saw one chart with different values even depending if it's normal cokect screw or low profile:)
08:54 PM LeelooMinai: socket*
08:54 PM Cromaglious_: that chart looks very close to what I usually use... grade 5 is about equal to 10.9 class bolts
08:55 PM LeelooMinai: The other thing is that I don't really know what are sane values for the rail to deflect when one moves z-stage over it.
08:56 PM LeelooMinai: For 20mm supported rail.
08:56 PM LeelooMinai: Over say 18 inches
08:58 PM LeelooMinai: I think I will just take the rail off, try different torque values, and see in each case if they affect deflection and in what way - probably that's the most practical plan.
08:58 PM LeelooMinai: Instead of chasing info around the net.
09:00 PM Cromaglious_: Doh... I was using if(Key< ## && Key > ##) // up... changed it to if(abs(Key-KeyUp) < 30 ) { blah;}