May 19 2017
12:04 AM dioz: i think all the people here are moatly people who play with computers
12:55 AM IchGucksLive: morning from Germany
01:13 AM IchGucksLive: till later ;-)
01:43 AM archivist: roycroft, seen bearings get blocked over time, clean
01:50 AM roycroft: i'm thinking about draining, filling with kerosene, running slowly for a few minutes, draining, filling with oil, running for a bit, and repeating the kerosene thing one more time
01:50 AM roycroft: i'm actually planning on doing that on the entire lathe
01:50 AM roycroft: every oil point
01:52 AM archivist: on a steam engine we took them apart to clean
01:53 AM roycroft: i'll do that when it comes time to repaint it
01:53 AM roycroft: at first i just want to get it running well
01:53 AM archivist: also one with no wear probably shows less use, one with more clearance more
01:53 AM roycroft: this was a school lathe
01:53 AM roycroft: i assumed it would be low wear, high abuse
01:54 AM roycroft: and so far that assumpting is proving correct
01:54 AM roycroft: the bed is a bit twisted, btw
01:54 AM roycroft: about 0.005" from head to tail
01:54 AM roycroft: i should be able to shim that out pretty easily
01:54 AM archivist: you can pull that straight with the mounting
01:55 AM roycroft: no discernable dip
01:55 AM roycroft: no measureable spindle runout
01:56 AM roycroft: 0.007" runout in the chuck jaws
01:56 AM roycroft: the chuck is pretty sticky, too - i'm sure i'll be disassembling it and cleaning it very soon, as it's not fun to use
01:57 AM archivist: http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJC/BK/BK3151/pg0053.jpg
01:57 AM archivist: http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJC/BK/BK3151/pg0054.jpg
01:59 AM roycroft: thanks - that will help
02:00 AM roycroft: tool & manufacturing engineer's handbook has a 28 step process for setting up a lathe
02:00 AM roycroft: i have a copy on order - it should arrive any day now
02:00 AM roycroft: i purchased a used copy from 1976 for $10
02:00 AM roycroft: i don't think lathe setup has changed significantly since then
02:00 AM archivist: there are more pages in that directory
02:01 AM roycroft: yes, i see
02:09 AM roycroft: the ways have a few little dings in them here and there
02:10 AM roycroft: would it behoove me to very lightly stone them to make sure there are no burrs?
02:13 AM archivist: if you can see upset ridges
02:14 AM roycroft: i can't see them
02:14 AM roycroft: i can feel them, but i'm not certain if they're ridges or divots
02:14 AM roycroft: the ways are hardened
02:15 AM roycroft: i think i could stone very lightly without doing any harm
02:15 AM roycroft: i think they're probably all pits
02:16 AM Deejay: moin
02:17 AM roycroft: http://www.roycroft.us/Jet1236PY/Lathe5.jpeg
02:17 AM roycroft: there's a good example
02:17 AM roycroft: and most of them are near the headstock, of course
02:19 AM roycroft: most of that is raindrops, btw
02:19 AM roycroft: it got rained on while i was unloading it
02:19 AM roycroft: and i took the pictures before it was wiped down well
02:39 AM archivist_herron: just arrived to a sick dim monitor
02:43 AM archivist_herron: I find rubbing a steel flat will show some shiny spots
02:55 AM TurBoss: morning
02:55 AM TurBoss: its morning o'clock
02:56 AM archivist_herron: it is turn up to a sick pc monitor day
05:01 AM jthornton: morning
05:32 AM Tom_L: hello
05:34 AM jthornton: freeking long day yesterday put about 400 miles on the van plus working on a machine in a factory
05:35 AM Tom_L: chicks used to their new home now?
05:36 AM jthornton: pretty much, yesterday they would go out to eat and drink then back in for a nap
05:43 AM jthornton: got home from Cuba yesterday and didn't see any chicks in the run and thought wtf looked in the coop and they were all in there
05:46 AM jthornton: did you get the logger updated?
09:31 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
09:58 AM IchGucksLive: till later
11:32 AM mr_boo|2: hi
11:34 AM mr_boo|2: can i use a laptop from 2000 for linuxcnc?
11:34 AM cradek: for simulation only, if it has enough ram, maybe
11:34 AM cradek: to control machinery, almost certainly not
11:35 AM mr_boo|2: newer laptops tend not to have an old parallel port
11:35 AM archivist: power saving will bugger latency
11:35 AM cradek: almost no laptops give realtime performance good enough for running machinery
11:35 AM cradek: yes because of powersaving trickery they all must do
11:36 AM mr_boo|2: why can't laptop give realtime performance?
11:37 AM cradek: you can test yours with the latency test, but our collective experience is that very few work adequately
11:38 AM cradek: you're better off starting with a desktop board if you want to control machinery
11:38 AM LeelooMinai: For tiny build a better idea is use one of the micro-itx boards they have now.
11:38 AM archivist: in the 10 or more years of lurking here one ore two got a laptop working the rest did not
11:38 AM mr_boo|2: which requires a screen, a mouse and a keyboard :(
11:38 AM mr_boo|2: amazing
11:38 AM mr_boo|2: there must be an explanation for this
11:39 AM archivist: power saving, it slows the processor
11:39 AM LeelooMinai: mr_boo|2: I thought they just explained it:)
11:39 AM archivist: slows/syops
11:39 AM archivist: stops
11:39 AM cradek: you can try testing yours
11:39 AM mr_boo|2: this totally sux
11:39 AM archivist: also they use integrated video that may steal time from the bus
11:41 AM archivist: we dont want to give you false hopes
11:41 AM LeelooMinai: BTW, yesterday I found what happened to my z-axis. It was kind of my fault I guess, but I did not expect that happening.
11:43 AM LeelooMinai: It was not the rails/ballscrew, but: http://i.imgur.com/SQ82vRN.jpg
11:43 AM mr_boo|2: btw how come laptops can do realtime audio then?
11:44 AM LeelooMinai: I forgot to put 1.6mm washers there and the force kind of broke one of the "ears" on the stepper and it's kind of fubared now:(
11:45 AM LeelooMinai: I will try to disassemble it and look inside if I can somehow fix it, but, looks bad - unless someone has glue for cast aluminum:)
11:46 AM archivist: just ignore that corner
11:46 AM LeelooMinai: archivist: Cannot - when the corner broke, the stepper lost holding power at moderate (50mm/s) speeds.
11:47 AM LeelooMinai: So I guess some forces did something to the internals.
11:47 AM archivist: LeelooMinai, or alignment those couplers are too rigid
11:47 AM LeelooMinai: It stalls now at 50mm/s and it can do 120 normally.
11:48 AM roycroft: weld it back on
11:48 AM LeelooMinai: Right, or I can use hot glue.
11:48 AM roycroft: or just build up a new aluminium corner with weld and machine it
11:49 AM LeelooMinai: Hmm,. when I disassemble it, maybe I will have a better look if I can do some alternative mounting hole, or something.
11:50 AM mr_boo|2: seeya around when i've got a pc running with linuxcnc. thanks for the support
11:50 AM archivist: any crap in the stepper will break it
11:50 AM roycroft: or pull your spare stepper motor out and mount that
11:50 AM roycroft: then order a new spare
11:53 AM LeelooMinai: Right, spare motor - they are not cheap, I think they sell them for 60CAD
11:54 AM LeelooMinai: maybe it's still salvagable though - it's for z-axis, so 50mm/s by itself is not a tragedy I guess.
11:56 AM roycroft: i was using 5/16" square hss tooling on my lathe, because that's all it could handle
11:57 AM LeelooMinai: To be honest, I am not sure now how those steppers are supposed to be mounted. Since they have a large diameter circle 1.6mm of the main mount plane, are they designed to fit into some big hole on the machine?
11:57 AM roycroft: would moving up to 3/8" or 1/2" tooling make a significant difference on the new machine?
11:57 AM roycroft: since i have about 50 of the 5/16" tools i'll continue to use them for most things, i should imagine
11:57 AM archivist: LeelooMinai, replace with an oldham coupling
11:58 AM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I mean all of them have a circle like that almost: http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/72050-2268743.jpg
11:59 AM LeelooMinai: So, one has to make a pocket in the gantry like that for example?
12:00 PM archivist: usually, it forces the axis of the motor to be correct
12:00 PM archivist: else you need a flexible coupler that allows misalignment
12:00 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.amazon.com/Wera-Square-Drive-Ratchet-Teeth/dp/B004ISLNRE the best fidget spinner.
12:00 PM LeelooMinai: But that would mean that the ears should be stron enough to withstand the clamping force.
12:01 PM LeelooMinai: So maybe I overtightened them or the cast aluminum part was too weak.
12:01 PM roycroft: a lovejoy coupling would work if you have alignment issues
12:01 PM LeelooMinai: Just trying to figure out for the future.
12:02 PM roycroft: a schmidt coupling if you have major alignment issues
12:02 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, but I am not talking about alignment issues but the "ear" of the mount plaete on the stepper breaking on me.
12:02 PM archivist: dunno the name of this coupling, barn door alignment http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_11_27_barber_colman/IMG_1855.JPG
12:02 PM roycroft: you need to determine why it broke
12:03 PM gregcnc: speedevil that description is nice 1/4" square but uses hex bits
12:03 PM LeelooMinai: roycroft: lol, so why do you think I ask those questions here? :p
12:03 PM SpeedEvil: yes. Description is wrong.
12:03 PM SpeedEvil: It's not square at all.
12:03 PM gregcnc: but it looks handy id the head is small
12:03 PM SpeedEvil: (though comes with the appropriate adaptor
12:04 PM archivist: LeelooMinai, bad alignment can cause a force you did not expect which breaks something
12:04 PM SpeedEvil: The head is ~15mm dia
12:04 PM gregcnc: https://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-9t4wk8/images/stencil/2800x2800/products/9687/30778/WR073230-2__29999__18929.1461691175.jpg?c=2 that is small
12:04 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm...
12:05 PM LeelooMinai: archivist: Ok, but in general - it's ok, to just use the circle as the contact surface?
12:05 PM SpeedEvil: Correction - 17.43mm
12:05 PM gregcnc: something wasn't flat or relieved for a radius
12:06 PM archivist: LeelooMinai, like 4 spacers of different lengths for the motor
12:06 PM gregcnc: wera tools are nice
12:06 PM archivist: LeelooMinai, the outer face should be in contact, the circle aligns the axis
12:07 PM SpeedEvil: (11/16ths)
12:07 PM gregcnc: I know better what 17.4mm is than 11/16
12:08 PM LeelooMinai: archivist: When you write "aligns the exis", what exactly do you mean?
12:09 PM gregcnc: in theory centers the motor axis on the ballscrew axis
12:09 PM archivist: the middle/centre/axis of the motor to the ballscrew
12:10 PM LeelooMinai: SO you mean it goes into some hole on the machine?
12:10 PM archivist: yes
12:10 PM gregcnc: assuming it was designed as such
12:10 PM LeelooMinai: Heh, that's a big hole to make in a gantry:/
12:11 PM archivist: many lazy users mount on some pillars
12:12 PM LeelooMinai: Right, my original design assumed washers there, but I forgot them on this axis when doing some work.
12:12 PM archivist: I did it properly here http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_10_12_cnc_mitutoyo_dti/IMG_1673.JPG
12:12 PM LeelooMinai: archivist: Your server is SLOOOOW:)
12:12 PM LeelooMinai: It's like watching images on BBS in 90s:)
12:13 PM archivist: I use a circular tube mount too http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_01_19_cnc/P1190006.JPG
12:13 PM roycroft: archivist scans in high resolution, so his images are large
12:13 PM archivist: buy me a server on a fast backbone
12:13 PM roycroft: i appreciate the high resolution and don't mind the wait
12:13 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, more like late 80s - so far I have 1 inch vertically loaded.
12:13 PM roycroft: his site is faster than that, leeloominai
12:14 PM archivist: trouble is too many looking at the same time
12:14 PM gregcnc: should I click the link and slow it even more?
12:14 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I have 65Mbps connection, so it's not me.
12:14 PM archivist: 1.5 meg upload speed here
12:14 PM archivist: or worse
12:15 PM roycroft: fortunately, although i self-host as well, i'm able to park my servers in a data center that has multiple 100Mb/s transit links
12:15 PM LeelooMinai: archivist: Ok, I see, right, so you made a big hole in that plate.
12:15 PM archivist: yes
12:15 PM archivist: and screws not too tight
12:15 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, ok, I guess now I know.
12:16 PM LeelooMinai: One other thing I learned yesterday that instead trying to take off a coupler like an idiot, I should use a vertical slot that is there to open it a bit and slide the axis off:)
12:18 PM LeelooMinai: archivist: What is this thing on the picture that theindicator is touching?
12:18 PM LeelooMinai: Is this a magnet on some weird corner block?
12:19 PM archivist: an edge finder thing, it has a scribed line and a ground face, not using it correctly there
12:20 PM LeelooMinai: So the circular thing is part of it, not some magnet I imagine?
12:20 PM archivist: roycroft, my www dir is 57 gb almost
12:21 PM archivist: part of it
12:21 PM LeelooMinai: archivist: You made it, or it's some standard machinist gadgest?
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:22 PM archivist: it came with a center finding microscope
12:23 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, this lead into to exotic tools:)
12:23 PM LeelooMinai: too*
12:23 PM archivist: jig drill/milling
12:24 PM LeelooMinai: I saw some video where some ancient looking guy had a microscope in a spindle with side eyepiece and was centering the axis this way.
12:26 PM LeelooMinai: But that was awkward - I would mount a usb microscope permanently to the side and knowing the offset just use that.
12:27 PM archivist: you can spin the part or microscope to verify center, where on an offset one it is more hope the offset is correct
12:28 PM LeelooMinai: Well, you would calibrate the offset first.
12:28 PM roycroft: i just realised that now that i have a new lathe, i can make some arbors for my horizontal mill
12:28 PM roycroft: so there's another machine restoration project
12:29 PM roycroft: my heat treating oven is not big enough for such an arbor though, so i don't know how i would harden it
12:29 PM LeelooMinai: I saw some kits that allow using CNC as a kind of lathe I guess - a lathe-liek jaw powered with belt-stepper.
12:31 PM LeelooMinai: I guess you then use the z-axis as the tool holder or something... Or maybe just use rotating bit - I don't know, but that would be more than a lathe.
12:31 PM LeelooMinai: Kind of lathe + 4-axis cnc combination I guess.
12:31 PM archivist: use the spindle for the work, tools mounted on the table
12:32 PM LeelooMinai: archivist: Not sure if a spindle has correct characteristics... Like torque profile, etc.
12:32 PM archivist: I do the final turning of arbours in the spindle on the mill
12:32 PM roycroft: this is the mill:
12:32 PM roycroft: http://www.lathes.co.uk/vernon/page3.html
12:32 PM LeelooMinai: I kind of imagined that lathes have a lot of torque and not fast speed, no?
12:32 PM roycroft: i have the motor for it
12:33 PM roycroft: not the stand (although i have a stand that matches it well)
12:33 PM roycroft: nor the motor mount
12:33 PM roycroft: it has the auto-feed mechanism as well
12:33 PM archivist: mills run low speed for hogging
12:33 PM roycroft: yes
12:34 PM LeelooMinai: I meant something like this, that one can mount on the CNC table: https://goo.gl/xxGSQS
12:34 PM roycroft: the sheldon has a b&s #9 taper, iirc
12:34 PM roycroft: a very long, shallow taper
12:34 PM roycroft: but i will be able to turn 36" between centers soon, so that's doable
12:35 PM roycroft: and i have a 3/4" arbor that came with the mill when i bought it, so i can use that as a template for other arbors
12:35 PM roycroft: i probably only need one more - a 1"
12:36 PM roycroft: i would like to do some gear cutting, and that little sheldon would be ideal for that purpose
12:38 PM roycroft: i'd love to get a proper gear hobber machine, but i've neer seen one for sale in this part of the country
12:38 PM roycroft: and i'm not going to pay ebay prices + freight for one
12:38 PM gregcnc: they don't make gears there?
12:38 PM archivist: you can use a mill and linuxcnc for hobbing
12:39 PM roycroft: we don't make much here besides craft beer
12:41 PM roycroft: one can, archivist
12:42 PM roycroft: i like old machinery
12:42 PM roycroft: and it would be fun to get an old gear hobber, restore it, and use it to make gears, i should think
12:42 PM XXCoder: drill press and some jig?
12:42 PM Loetmichel_: archivist: you can. even for contour milling gears...
12:42 PM Loetmichel_: and thats working rather well if i may say so..
12:42 PM archivist: roycroft, I have an old barber colman with added cnc :)
12:43 PM Loetmichel_: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11702
12:43 PM gregcnc: why are there so many hobbs (on ebay) with odd DP or mod?
12:43 PM Loetmichel_: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11705
12:43 PM Loetmichel_: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11711
12:43 PM Loetmichel_: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11714
12:43 PM Loetmichel_: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=10522
12:44 PM Loetmichel_: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=10525
12:44 PM Loetmichel_: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=10528
12:44 PM Loetmichel_: :-)
12:44 PM archivist: gregcnc, often made for specific gearboxes for to set spacing
12:44 PM gregcnc: yeah i figured
12:46 PM LeelooMinai: Random question - what is a hobb? :)
12:47 PM XXCoder: bad gear for extruder heh
12:47 PM archivist: the upper cutter http://www.collection.archivist.info/thumbs/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_09_23_Barber_Colman_speedo_gears/IMG_1832_T.JPG
12:47 PM XXCoder: otherwise I dunno
12:48 PM Loetmichel_: LeelooMinai: a gear cutter
12:48 PM LeelooMinai: hobbgoblin
12:48 PM gregcnc: those people "hobbing" extruder gears are just misusing taps
12:48 PM Loetmichel_: gregcnc: works, but gets you a "gear" with a slight angle to the teeth
12:49 PM archivist: the special thing about hobbing is it generates the gear form so much more accurate
12:49 PM Loetmichel_: and of course not an "evolvent" tooth
12:49 PM Loetmichel_: (whatever that is called in english)
12:49 PM archivist: involute
12:50 PM Loetmichel_: thanks
12:50 PM * JT-Shop wonders how you lose a combination square
12:50 PM archivist: and if the tap was a true V then it will be a true involute
12:50 PM Loetmichel_: i use a little tool that makes involute gear patterns in dxf, so i can mill them accurately
12:51 PM archivist: milled the loet way is not accurate
12:51 PM Loetmichel_: it is. not the tooth base though
12:52 PM Loetmichel_: because of the mill bit radius you have to go somewhat deeper
12:52 PM LeelooMinai: I don't like gears. They need to make some surface that has 100% friction, so one can just use circles:)
12:52 PM Loetmichel_: but the teeth themseves are true involute (or as close as you can get with 0.005mm steps on x and y)
12:52 PM roycroft: an involute cutter on a horizontal mill would be fine
12:52 PM archivist: it cannot be as it has the stepper "steps", causing the face to deviate from the form
12:53 PM Loetmichel_: see my ()
12:55 PM roycroft: a cnc conversion of the sheldon, with a 4th axis to rotate the gear blank, would be ideal
12:55 PM roycroft: i don't think many folks, especially home hobbiests, cnc horizontal mills
12:56 PM archivist: some use an indexer
12:56 PM roycroft: a mechanical indexer?
12:57 PM archivist: over here there is a simple micro based stepper indexer
12:57 PM archivist: one button, wind the handle
01:01 PM dioz: i'm going to calgary this afternoon
01:01 PM roycroft: time for some stampeding?
01:01 PM dioz: naw. going hiking near banff
01:02 PM dioz: gf has a house in calgary so we go there on long weekends
01:02 PM dioz: she got a new whip too
01:03 PM dioz: yeeehaaaw! i'm excited to hike the rockies... i always am. love the mountains
01:03 PM dioz: i'm stuck in the prairies
01:04 PM dioz: i wear my redwings hiking my 10 inchers
01:04 PM dioz: with a steel sole shank
01:04 PM dioz: my work boots
01:04 PM dioz: idk how people wear sneeks
01:09 PM Loetmichel_: dioz: you have to be a german to get caught in the high alps with sandals (and white socks) ;)
01:10 PM Loetmichel_: <- does wear espandrilles at work every now and then.... i wouldnt go hiking in them tho, thats reserved for the "special" germans ;)
01:11 PM Loetmichel_: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16369&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- $me at work
01:12 PM LeelooMinai: No kidding, but once after an MTB marathon in mountains, in the middle of the summer, there was an extra free day so I want wearing sneakers with other people to some famous place with a lake, and it ended up with climbing some mountain and suddenly i was wearing sneakers on a snow/ice planes at some crazy heights where one wrong step and I would slide into death:)
01:12 PM LeelooMinai: So, yes, sneakers and climbing is a thing:p
01:13 PM Loetmichel_: harhar. happens to the best of us. at least i was no stiletto ;)
01:14 PM LeelooMinai: Loetmichel_: What does that shirt have on there?
01:14 PM LeelooMinai: I only understand "Hilfe" on the red box on the wall:)
01:14 PM Loetmichel_: LeelooMinai: "critizism acknowledged. 75% starting ignore drive"
01:15 PM Loetmichel_: thats the first aid box
01:15 PM Loetmichel_: "erste hilfe"
01:15 PM LeelooMinai: But it means help, right?
01:15 PM LeelooMinai: first help?
01:15 PM Loetmichel_: first help literally
01:15 PM LeelooMinai: Loetmichel_: Well, with this shirt at least everyone imediatelly knows he/she is dealing with some nerd/smar-ass:)
01:16 PM Loetmichel_: ... the door behind me leads to the metal workshop
01:16 PM Loetmichel_: ... so that box is well placed, considering the frequency i have to use it ;)
01:17 PM Loetmichel_: LeelooMinai: i have a better one for that: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16158&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
01:17 PM Loetmichel_: "ich bin kein Klugscheisser. Ich weiss es WIRKLICH besser!"
01:17 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I once saw a video I think of a guy that worked at lathe and something went flying directly into his chest and heart - dead on the spot, so that box would not help much...
01:18 PM Loetmichel_: "I am no 'know it all', i REALLY know it better!"
01:18 PM Loetmichel_: LeelooMinai: usually my injurys are recoverable... only a bit of a mess most of the time ;)
01:19 PM LeelooMinai: Well, nothing wrong if that's true, and it's not the Dunning Kruger syndrome:)
01:19 PM Loetmichel_: s/usually/ so far
01:19 PM Loetmichel_: no idea, got it from my wife
01:19 PM Loetmichel_: i would like to imagine that its mostly true ;)
01:20 PM LeelooMinai: The "imagine" part is a bit worrying though:p
01:21 PM Loetmichel_: recently i got one from my wife that says" manchmal ist das schönste an meinem Job daß der Stuhl sich dreht"... (sometimes the best thing in my job is that the chair can rotate)
01:21 PM Loetmichel_: ... boss wasnt amused the first time i wore that ;)
01:21 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, there's even a bottle there to rinse the eye from embedded chips I presume.
01:21 PM Loetmichel_: it is
01:22 PM Loetmichel_: its mandatory for a company workshop in germany. we have an equivalent to the american OSHA here.
01:22 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I think a better idea is to just wear eye protection all the time anyways.
01:23 PM Loetmichel_: actually i am the one in the company that had a first aid course and is responsible for any first aid should there be an accident
01:23 PM Loetmichel_: ... which is handy because 90% of the time its me that needs some stitches or bandaid anyway :)
01:23 PM LeelooMinai: Right, unless it's you that needs one
01:24 PM Loetmichel_: o i dont have to bother someone else
01:24 PM roycroft: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/converting-horizontal-mill-gear-hobber-156691/
01:24 PM Loetmichel_: last time i needed stitches i had to bother the secretary to drive me to the hospital tho
01:24 PM roycroft: that looks like a pretty straightforward way to convert the sheldon to a hobber
01:24 PM LeelooMinai: Should wear a shirt "What do you want from me? The Erste Hilfe box is outside on the wall."
01:25 PM LeelooMinai: Loetmichel_: What did you do to require stitches?
01:26 PM Loetmichel_: ... since then we have this in the first aid box: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Haut-hefter-Plus-Klammerentferner-Sterilisiert-35W-CE-/291953052359
01:26 PM Loetmichel_: just a little slip-up with a handhold deburrer
01:26 PM LeelooMinai: lol, skin stapler
01:27 PM Loetmichel_: tested it: works really well. and doesent hurt that much at all :-)
01:27 PM Loetmichel_: ... and no need for the hospital any more
01:27 PM Loetmichel_: for small cuts
01:27 PM LeelooMinai: So it staples with what...
01:27 PM Loetmichel_: steel wire
01:27 PM Loetmichel_: stainless
01:27 PM LeelooMinai: Right, that does not sound potentialy painful at all:)
01:28 PM Loetmichel_: usually when you have a gashing cut the pain of a few needdle thing steel pins are negliglible
01:29 PM Loetmichel_: and even if you dont (i tested it) its not that bad
01:29 PM Loetmichel_: i wanted to know if i could do it to myself if neccessary. and i can, its actually easy
01:29 PM Loetmichel_: pulling the staples out was more painful though ;)
01:30 PM LeelooMinai: I would write a memo to the company "We need one voluntier today for testing a new first aid tool - we have randomly chosen Bob from the marketing department to be that person"
01:30 PM Loetmichel_: LeelooMinai: the deburrer accident result (caution, some blood) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16188&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
01:31 PM LeelooMinai: Problem solved:)
01:31 PM IchGucksLive: millint the LCNC Tux logo -> http://pasteall.org/pic/index.php?id=115719
01:31 PM gimps is now known as LanceGoodthrust
01:31 PM * JT-Shop bets that when I return home with a new combination square the old one will appear...
01:31 PM IchGucksLive: i did a near good dxf from small pic
01:31 PM LeelooMinai: I have a little deburring tool - cannot imagine how one could make that big a cut with it though.
01:32 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: Platypus with an andmill?
01:32 PM Loetmichel_: I couldnt have done worse with the stapler... the doc even managed to tie the muscle under the gash to the skin on one stitch
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: lets see it in laser
01:32 PM Loetmichel_: JT-Shop: 100% chance that will happen.
01:33 PM Loetmichel_: LeelooMinai_ the head "bulb" broke off and the rest slipped thru the palm, now sharp as a razor
01:33 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: You know that pingwins have beaks more like birds, right? :p
01:33 PM Todd_Z_: The quickest most, most shure fire way to find a lost item is to buy a new one.
01:34 PM IchGucksLive: i only eat birds not kowing anything
01:34 PM LeelooMinai: Loetmichel_: So carbide?
01:34 PM Loetmichel_: http://de.rs-online.com/web/p/entgratungswerkzeug/3394336/ <- this one
01:34 PM Loetmichel_: no, HSS
01:34 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I have a smiliar one, but more ergonomic handle - I thought that end part is carbide.
01:34 PM Loetmichel_: it isnt
01:35 PM Loetmichel_: its just HSS as far as i know
01:35 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I guess carbide could shatter easily.
01:35 PM Loetmichel_: but when the "dull end bulb" breaks off its like a razor
01:35 PM Loetmichel_: it didnt hurt that much actually
01:36 PM Loetmichel_: but it was a HELL of a mess on the workplace
01:36 PM LeelooMinai: well, now I know that one can get hurst even with a deburring tool:)
01:36 PM LeelooMinai: hurt*
01:36 PM Loetmichel_: went to the ER, got the stitches, went back to the company and it took an hour of cleaning off al that blood before i could continue work.
01:39 PM Loetmichel_: the girl that drove me to the hospital was quite pale the whole way (and back), seems i should have asked the boss to drive me... she seems to be not that good with seeing blood ;)
01:39 PM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel_: you are on a "geber"
01:40 PM IchGucksLive: "Gelber" ;-)
01:40 PM Loetmichel_: anyway, now that we have a new (sterilized) stapler in the first aid box i hopefully dont need any more drives.
01:40 PM Loetmichel_: IchGucksLive: gelber?
01:40 PM IchGucksLive: krankenschein
01:40 PM Loetmichel_: no, i wasnt
01:41 PM IchGucksLive: bad luck
01:41 PM Loetmichel_: bosses wife (our CFO) managed to get the yellow paper from the hospital though and send it to the insurance company for reimbursement... although i didnt stay at home a single day
01:42 PM Loetmichel_: only noticed it at the end of the month when i had 6 days "ill at home" on the list...
01:42 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8
01:42 PM Loetmichel_: <- "...WTF????!?"
01:45 PM Loetmichel_: ... i was seriously pissed.
01:47 PM Loetmichel_: there was a reason i ignored that question on how long i wanted to be at home... company couldnt finish a few projects in time without me... and then the CFO does insurance fraud on top? sometimes i dont know why i work there...
02:20 PM LeelooMinai: Those cheap steppers are pretty weird inside: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15K9N1yVnhc
02:22 PM LeelooMinai: Kind of "lets make a stepper from sheet metal" desing.
02:22 PM gregcnc: cheap
02:22 PM gregcnc: nothing odd though
02:23 PM LeelooMinai: Well, yes, but the whole design is pretty MacGyverish.
02:23 PM gregcnc: no
02:24 PM gregcnc: designed for cost/performance expected
02:24 PM FinboySlick: AvE is constantly screaming in my head: "Focus ya fack!"
02:24 PM LeelooMinai: gregcnc: I know that... that's why they had to do some "tricks" with sheet metal, etc. - that's what I was pointing out.
02:25 PM Loetmichel_: LeelooMinai: pretty normal setup for a low resolution "Disk" type stepper
02:25 PM gregcnc: if those are tricks?
02:25 PM Loetmichel_: have a few of those from 8" floppy drives
02:25 PM Loetmichel_: FinboySlick: same here ;)
02:26 PM LeelooMinai: I am just comparing with how big ones are build - totally different construction. I don't know... maybe the small ones always were like that, but seems a bit underengineered.
02:26 PM FinboySlick: Loetmichel_: You also watch Stefan Goetswinter?
02:27 PM gregcnc: i guess i've looked at far too many motor designs to see much of anything new
02:27 PM Loetmichel_: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4722&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- the ones with the green labels are built the same ways
02:27 PM LeelooMinai: lol...
02:27 PM Loetmichel_: you can actually see one rotor on the left, removed the sticker and the steel sheet underneath it
02:28 PM Loetmichel_: FinboySlick: of course. and chat with him over in the german CNC channel. actually he lives only a few 100km from here...
02:28 PM LeelooMinai: I guess this construction is good for flat motors.
02:28 PM Loetmichel_: xes
02:28 PM Loetmichel_: yes
02:29 PM FinboySlick: Loetmichel_: Big fan of his videos too. It's a pleasure to watch him work.
02:29 PM LeelooMinai: What does he do?
02:29 PM Loetmichel_: yeah, pretty "german" way of doing things ;)
02:29 PM FinboySlick: Loetmichel_: I was holding back on saying that ;)
02:30 PM FinboySlick: LeelooMinai: Mostly toolmaking, he can't use a tool if he hasn't actually improved it himself ;)
02:31 PM FinboySlick: So in a sense, you could say he does alchemy. He turns chinesium into germanium ;)
02:31 PM LeelooMinai: lol
02:31 PM LeelooMinai: Don't make fun of Chinese though - they probably can make germanium too, just do not sell it for cheap:)
02:31 PM gregcnc: what is his real job?
02:31 PM Loetmichel_: FinboySlick: thats the best description of what he does i have EVER read ;)
02:32 PM FinboySlick: gregcnc: He mentioned moldmaking, so I imagine he works at a tool/die shop.
02:33 PM LeelooMinai: Heh, I remember one of his video - about making centering microscope.
02:33 PM LeelooMinai: But I decided, that no, too much work:)
02:33 PM Loetmichel_: FinboySlick: IIRC he works for a big german bank with connected electro-shop.
02:33 PM LeelooMinai: And without lathe - not really an option.
02:33 PM Loetmichel_: Siemens in other words ;)
02:35 PM gregcnc: it's fun to watch when i need a laugh, but to learn anything, not so much
02:35 PM Loetmichel_: gregcnc: whom? stefan?
02:35 PM gregcnc: ave
02:35 PM Loetmichel_: ah
02:36 PM Loetmichel_: ave is more for "how does THAT chinesium part look torn apart?"
02:36 PM Loetmichel_: than for "learning something"
02:36 PM FinboySlick: gregcnc: AvE taught me an entirely new and skookum vocabulary.
02:36 PM gregcnc: i missed the topic change, I follow stefan on instagram, but no time for those videos
02:36 PM Loetmichel_: LeelooMinai: are you pretty?
02:37 PM Loetmichel_: stefan asks if its worth to come over and answer your questions ;)
02:37 PM LeelooMinai: Loetmichel_: lol - is it some kind of trap? :p
02:37 PM Loetmichel_: <- has stefan G in a german chat on another server
02:38 PM Loetmichel_: just said to him that some lady inquires about him...
02:38 PM Loetmichel_: and he replied with "is she pretty?"
02:38 PM Loetmichel_: <- had to say i have no idea ;)
02:39 PM LeelooMinai: Well, seems unfair - he does not helpo ugly people? :p
02:40 PM Loetmichel_: he does. he helped me a couple of times ;)
02:40 PM Loetmichel_: Deejay: why the ooOOO? too shy to say anything here? ;)
02:41 PM LeelooMinai: With electronics?
02:41 PM Loetmichel_: more like material questions
02:41 PM Loetmichel_: electrnics i could help him i imagine
02:41 PM Loetmichel_: or he asks Deejay ;)
02:43 PM FinboySlick: Loetmichel_: Tell him I await his next episode of the chinesium to germanium rotary table with the same anticipation as a Game of Thrones fan before the season finale.
02:43 PM Loetmichel_: done
02:44 PM TurBoss: hello
02:44 PM * TurBoss is back
02:47 PM skunkworks: back again
02:58 PM jym: let the beatings begin/continue!
03:00 PM Loetmichel_: ?
03:08 PM MacGalempsy: Just got some Carolina Reaper plants in the mail today.
03:09 PM LanceGoodthrust is now known as gimps
03:22 PM FinboySlick: MacGalempsy: They taste good... But there's just a point where you don't get to enjoy it.
03:37 PM seb_kuzm1nsky is now known as seb_kuzminsky
03:41 PM MacGalempsy: FinboySlick: moreso for novelty, pranks and dares
04:28 PM Deejay: gn8
04:37 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, hopefully i'll get it done this weekend
05:14 PM roycroft: 16 minutes 'til the weekend
05:38 PM andypugh: :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkv-_LqTeQA
05:41 PM XXCoder: lol andypugh
05:52 PM andypugh: XXCoder: You might have missed most of the funny without the voiceover?
05:53 PM XXCoder: yeah I could tell there was a story with focus and zoomins
05:53 PM XXCoder: I guessed some of it
05:53 PM XXCoder: robot lifts a box and recall all that abuse by employee
05:53 PM andypugh: Mainly a lot of swearing at “kevin”
05:54 PM XXCoder: push over, move boxes
06:08 PM JT-Shop: anyone heard of a M19 x 1 tap?
06:30 PM Crom: got my router issue figured out kinda...
06:32 PM Mac-Phone is now known as MacGalempsy
06:34 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, there is no such standard tap
06:34 PM Tom_L: M19 x 2.5 is the only one listed
06:42 PM sync: it is just m19 fine
06:47 PM sync: https://www.gewindebohrer-shop.de/gewindebohrer-metrisch-fein-din-13-hssg/gewindebohrer-19-x-1-4022835263753-p-970.html
07:14 PM andypugh: M19 is not a preferred size, and 1mm is very fine at that size, but that isn’t to say that it can’t exist.
07:17 PM Crom: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pgarcia/neolucida-xl?ref=ce2wle
07:17 PM Crom: this would be cool for use in sewing
07:23 PM CaptHindsight: so it's like a camera with a projector, huh
07:25 PM CaptHindsight: with only mirrors vs a camera and a projector
07:30 PM Crom: no power required
07:31 PM CaptHindsight: I use my thumb
07:36 PM Tom_L: damn he left already.... and it's the weekend!
08:38 PM gregcnc: jt-shop http://www.victornet.com/detail/TAMP-19-1.html
08:38 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: friday isnt weekend to some people. sad, I know
08:38 PM gregcnc: that shop always has odd metric taps
08:38 PM XXCoder: interesting
08:44 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: that auction doesn't post the winning bids
08:44 PM CaptHindsight: wasn't interested in that lathe, was just curious
08:45 PM gregcnc: yeah, some don't. I guess i refreshed somewhere in the middle and didn't see it. If you have the page open during it will show the closing price
08:53 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, so what does it do now?
09:32 PM Vitran: I made a thing this evening. http://i.imgur.com/isBKjMQ.jpg
09:34 PM Crom: pretty
09:35 PM Tom_L: what's it for?
09:35 PM Tom_L: that's alot of DB25 connectors
09:37 PM Vitran: Hardinge Superslant
09:37 PM Vitran: 3 axis. The 4 axis has 15 DB25 connectors
09:38 PM Tom_L: have you seen these? http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=74_80&product_id=230
09:39 PM Tom_L: split in the middle for GND / +v etc
09:39 PM Vitran: Nope, haven't seen those before, but I have a box of 100+ barrier blocks
09:39 PM Vitran: All sizes and colours, as long as they are black
09:40 PM Vitran: But I can see why they'd be good
09:40 PM Tom_L: ^^ those are connected together
09:40 PM Tom_L: half and half
09:40 PM Tom_L: for something like a 5v distribution block etc
09:41 PM Tom_L: looks good.
09:42 PM Tom_L: i started out using barrier blocks but added those for the 5v stuff
09:43 PM Vitran: I was at the university and found some 22 gauge 4 strand wires with shielding. The wires were about 20' long and rather high quality so I kept it. Tomorrow that hoarding will pay off
09:43 PM Vitran: There are about 500'x4 wire there
09:44 PM Vitran: Wires expensive yo
09:44 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/control8.jpg
09:44 PM Tom_L: that was an early layout
09:44 PM Tom_L: i mounted things on din rails now
09:44 PM jdh: needs moar caps
09:45 PM Tom_L: they were surplus
09:45 PM Tom_L: but adequate
09:45 PM Tom_L: so were the xfrmers
09:45 PM Tom_L: or i would have used a torroid
09:45 PM Tom_L: way overkill
09:45 PM XXCoder: Vitran: nicely done
09:46 PM Tom_L: yeah, nice layout
09:46 PM Vitran: First machine. Be clean at the start so things are easier later on
09:47 PM XXCoder: 13 parellel connectors?
09:47 PM Vitran: The Hardinge Superslant has all the wires already done in DB25 connectors
09:47 PM XXCoder: ahh
09:47 PM Vitran: and I have the pinouts for every plug for each sensor
09:47 PM Vitran: ~should~ make things a little easier to bugfix
09:48 PM Crom: it was builded in 5 hours... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McKbU9Bu_30
09:49 PM Vitran: I had a friend who did that with some 1cm wide plastic coated speaker wire
09:50 PM Vitran: some with the thick nylon around the wire. It worked a few times until the plastic melted and did a single loop, blowing itself up
09:50 PM Crom: hehe
09:52 PM XXCoder: guy poured flux in connector before solder?
09:54 PM XXCoder: guess nobody knows
09:55 PM XXCoder: I guess tons amps lower V?
09:55 PM XXCoder: wow its captioned
09:55 PM XXCoder: didnt know till guy finally spoke
09:59 PM Crom: That's pretty cool...
10:00 PM Crom: needs a handle to increase clamping force...
10:01 PM XXCoder: yeah maybe guy adds it later? or you finished video
10:01 PM XXCoder: that is cool'
10:02 PM XXCoder: I guess actually holding metal on top is safe
10:09 PM LeelooMinai: Had to do pretty weird things today, including milling aluminum with a table saw.
10:10 PM XXCoder: ohh fancy
10:10 PM XXCoder: why?
10:10 PM Crom: LeelooMinai: I got that t shirt
10:10 PM LeelooMinai: Not really, but did not have any alternative:)
10:10 PM LeelooMinai: Crom: What t-shirt...?
10:10 PM XXCoder: yeah, sometimes have to do it
10:10 PM Crom: Milling AL on a table saw
10:11 PM LeelooMinai: There's a t-shirt for that?
10:11 PM XXCoder: of course there is
10:11 PM XXCoder: theres almost rule 34 for tshirts now
10:11 PM Crom: It's the joke... been there done that...
10:12 PM XXCoder: yeah
10:12 PM Crom: wonder man!
10:12 PM XXCoder: no good rule 34 on shirt. guess someone will make one evenually
10:13 PM Crom: i thought it was rule 43
10:13 PM LeelooMinai: I also took a stepper appart.
10:13 PM XXCoder: Crom: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/002/467/rule34kp0.jpg
10:13 PM LeelooMinai: And devised great MacGyver way of taking couplers from a shaft.
10:14 PM LeelooMinai: All you need is one sagment of one of those cutter blades:)
10:15 PM Crom: Rul 63
10:16 PM LeelooMinai: then I took the clamping screw to the other side and problem solved: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/34633456641/in/dateposted-public/
10:17 PM LeelooMinai: My poor stepper: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/34765301735/in/dateposted-public/
10:17 PM LeelooMinai: Still works, but at half the maximum speed.
10:18 PM Crom: XXCoder: ok Rule 34 is a good one... involving Rule 63
10:18 PM XXCoder: lol
10:19 PM LeelooMinai: That's the milling with table saw - it worked better than I thought - had to use depth adjustment for feeding:) https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/33923475284/in/dateposted-public/
10:20 PM LeelooMinai: But you better wear some armor in case and do not stand "in the line of fire"
10:21 PM Crom: I was using the table saw with the blade at 45 degrees cuttin a notch for bending
10:22 PM LeelooMinai: Stepper motor inside: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/34603576072/in/dateposted-public/
10:23 PM XXCoder: looks similiar to nema17 I pulled apart to check it out
10:24 PM XXCoder: ended up I didnt need to, it was shot wiring
10:24 PM XXCoder: I plan to use it as secondary extruder for 2 color printing
10:24 PM LeelooMinai: It's 23, 112mm long, 425 inch oz or whatever silly units they use
10:24 PM XXCoder: whats it in N.M?
10:25 PM LeelooMinai: JHmm, 2
10:25 PM LeelooMinai: Er, 3
10:25 PM XXCoder: pretty nice
10:25 PM XXCoder: mines 1.3 something?
10:26 PM XXCoder: or 2 maybe
10:31 PM roycroft: awesome, i just sold a banjo that's been on cl for months
10:31 PM roycroft: that will pay for a 4-jaw for my lathe
10:32 PM XXCoder: banjo 4 jaw
10:33 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jl9w6HesaA - I wish this sort of 3d printer was $200.
10:33 PM SpeedEvil: (2kW LASER-spray metal, + mill)
10:33 PM XXCoder: yeah
10:33 PM XXCoder: addive-subractive machine
10:33 PM XXCoder: amazing
10:34 PM SpeedEvil: (Alas I would be astonished if it was anywhere clost to $20K)
10:34 PM XXCoder: next video shows it longer
10:34 PM roycroft: the banjo buyer is a cute young girl who wants to take one of my brewing classes as well
10:34 PM roycroft: so doubly nice
10:35 PM Crom: They still broken... dang it
11:08 PM LeelooMinai: CNC welding is a thing too seems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFXniBbgbw0
11:11 PM Crom: That's been around a long time.. just devilishly expensive...
11:12 PM LeelooMinai: Did not seem expensive to me - he just attached a welder using home tools:)
11:13 PM Crom: Now it's cheap... long ago long nose mig weld for stainless pipe... around $40000 for a setup
11:13 PM LeelooMinai: A, well, I don't know much about welding - so that welder itself is expensive?
11:14 PM Crom: standard welder.. it was the cnc comonent and the torch
11:14 PM LeelooMinai: I see mig welders for $500
11:16 PM Crom: this was back in '98 or so
11:17 PM LeelooMinai: Seems TIG are more expensive. Well, I don't know - is it difficult to MIG weld anything? Did not see "complicated" on the video.
11:17 PM LeelooMinai: I will just stick to screws:)
11:18 PM Crom: This 'mig' step was actually a tig welder with a cnc wire feed
11:21 PM SpeedEvil: MIG can lead to poor looking good welds, if you do it wrong
11:21 PM SpeedEvil: err
11:21 PM SpeedEvil: Good looking poor welds
11:22 PM SpeedEvil: they both can be used.
11:28 PM roycroft: gmaw is perhaps the easiest welding method
11:29 PM roycroft: although gtaw is, imo, the easiest to control once you get the hang of it
11:29 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, read about MIG and TIG, now I know - still, probably won't learn to weld - seems to me one would need a lot of time and practice to have confidence in the weld.
11:31 PM dioz: tig is pretty
11:31 PM dioz: mig is glue gun
11:31 PM dioz: stick is ugly but works
11:32 PM roycroft: that is dependent on the person making the welds, not the eequipment
11:32 PM XXCoder: too bad we dont have that metal fuser/cutter from one book lol
11:32 PM XXCoder: battlefield earth. one of book written by that crazy guy
11:32 PM LeelooMinai: The Scientology book? :)
11:33 PM XXCoder: book was pretty good. the movie was so so bad
11:33 PM XXCoder: its so bad its good movie in a way, and just bad in other
11:33 PM roycroft: a skilled welder can make beautiful welds with a car battery, a set of jumper cables, and welding sticks
11:34 PM LeelooMinai: Did not watch it, but read some article once about how it was financed I think by scientology Church and Tom Cruize (I think - he played there?)
11:34 PM LeelooMinai: Or Cruise or what he is called
11:35 PM roycroft: tom nutjob
11:35 PM XXCoder: tom samepersonallmovies
11:36 PM XXCoder: seriosly tom cant act he's same in all movies
11:37 PM LeelooMinai: Well, that's not necessarily a very bad thing - as long as he plays in proper movies for him:)
11:40 PM roycroft: he's kind of like mel gibson
11:40 PM roycroft: i liked mel in his early films
11:40 PM roycroft: but then he went bonkers in real life
11:41 PM XXCoder: I suppose
11:41 PM roycroft: and i can't watch any of his later stuff because it just reminds me of how nuts he is
11:45 PM XXCoder: yeah some people happen to go around the bend
11:45 PM XXCoder: sad
11:45 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, any opinion on the "inductive proximity switches" Chinese sell?
11:46 PM LeelooMinai: How to those compare to mechanical ones?
11:46 PM XXCoder: I use one for 3d printer
11:46 PM XXCoder: dunno seems fine
11:46 PM XXCoder: Crom uses em for his router for limits
11:47 PM Crom: I use 1 for a Y limit... they are kinda deaf with AL, they see steel alot bettefr
11:47 PM LeelooMinai: There are also IR ones. I don't know...
11:48 PM Crom: on AL it triggers at .6mm on steel it triggers at 2mm
11:49 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I mean what do you care - you can always attach something from steel in strategic places I guess.
11:49 PM roycroft: 0.6mm is cutting it pretty close
11:49 PM LeelooMinai: Then place it a bit "earlier" - same result?
11:50 PM Crom: I had to slow down Y home search
11:50 PM LeelooMinai: Right, one more kind I forgot - they have hall type too.
11:51 PM XXCoder: optical hall and induction
11:51 PM XXCoder: well an switches
11:52 PM LeelooMinai: One more - capacitive:)
11:52 PM XXCoder: theres torque sensor and pressure sensors also
11:52 PM LeelooMinai: Right, but those would be weird as end switches/home switches...
11:52 PM XXCoder: yeah no shit
11:54 PM XXCoder: ugh just read about senate guy who cheated on his wife.. with his second couson
11:54 PM LeelooMinai: Must be a republican? :)
11:55 PM XXCoder: not only that but family values guy too
11:55 PM XXCoder: probably end up seperating from his 5th wife
11:55 PM roycroft: at least anthony's wiener won't be tweeting for a decade or so
11:58 PM Crom: I have a hall effect sensor for the X home