#linuxcnc Logs
May 18 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:19 AM MacGalempsy: is it me or is reddit full of crybabies?
12:21 AM Crom_: your right...
12:21 AM roycroft: reddit is one of those places i've always avoided
12:21 AM MacGalempsy: CaptHindsight: do your sls clients print wax for jewelry?
12:21 AM Crom_: https://www.facebook.com/CaliforniaRightToCarry/photos/a.122792551136910.30422.115871318495700/1299531180129702/?type=3&theater
12:22 AM roycroft: facebook is another place i avoid
12:22 AM MacGalempsy: Crom_ that sums it up! ha
12:23 AM MacGalempsy: Facebook was more fun before my grandma got on there. i might go to myspace
12:23 AM Crom_: http://picpaste.com/snowflake-29pG3TVs.jpg
12:25 AM MacGalempsy: right in line with a generic ba in psychology
12:26 AM MacGalempsy: fortunately, i never took student loans, just worked and took it slow
12:27 AM renesis: i did not do that
12:28 AM renesis: i am so fucking broke
12:29 AM renesis: like, when everyone was like YOU CANT DROPOUT YOU CANT STOP GOING TO SCHOOL when i mentioned working a real job for a year or two to get finances back to where i was as the start of school,
12:29 AM renesis: i should have told them to fuck off
12:30 AM renesis: but they <3 me, and were trying to help, so ya shrug
12:34 AM Crom_: The Moon landing was staged... It was filmed by Stanley Kubrick.... Filming cost was insane an amount. Because Stanley was a profectionist, he demanded they film on location.
12:34 AM renesis: heh
12:40 AM Gene_home: good one
12:58 AM MacGalempsy: renesis: i guess a lack of parental direction and abundance of pot kept me going slow.
12:59 AM MacGalempsy: SFSU was a commuter school, so the lifestyle was a bit more condusive to being laid back
01:00 AM MacGalempsy: If I hadnt gotten a full ride to Arkansas, I wouldnt have gone to grad school
01:03 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
01:08 AM IchGucksLive: till later
01:19 AM CaptHindsight: MacGalempsy: howdy
01:20 AM CaptHindsight: MacGalempsy: ended up finding $15/ton washed and sorted pea gravel and smaller
01:22 AM CaptHindsight: MacGalempsy: they don't print any jewelry, most likely components for nuclear stuff and mil/aerospace
01:22 AM MacGalempsy: CaptHindsight: that sounds quite affordable
01:23 AM MacGalempsy: ah. ok. the custom jewelry shop i use went from 5 axis to wax printing
01:23 AM CaptHindsight: quite literally right down the street, ends up there is a quarry behind the ready mix plant
01:24 AM CaptHindsight: i stumbled upon the actual quarry trying to locate the ready mix plant
01:24 AM MacGalempsy: that makes perfect sense. did you have to crush it?
01:24 AM MacGalempsy: lol
01:24 AM MacGalempsy: is it along the river?
01:25 AM CaptHindsight: they dredge it up using a conveyor 24/7 near a river
01:25 AM CaptHindsight: it's glacial deposit from the last ice age
01:25 AM MacGalempsy: ah. ok.
01:26 AM MacGalempsy: those are typically called Till
01:26 AM MacGalempsy: is it granite?
01:26 AM CaptHindsight: goes down a near i mile long belt, then gets washed and sorted and dumped in a 100 ft high mound
01:26 AM CaptHindsight: mostly limestone
01:27 AM CaptHindsight: maybe 30-40% other
01:27 AM MacGalempsy: for some reason i thought u wanted granite
01:27 AM CaptHindsight: it would be preferred
01:28 AM MacGalempsy: ah ok.
01:28 AM CaptHindsight: but that would have to be tricked in from farther away
01:29 AM CaptHindsight: tricked/trucked
01:29 AM MacGalempsy: it seemed that way from the maps
01:29 AM MacGalempsy: so is your new shop all ready to build more machines?
01:30 AM CaptHindsight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_River_(Illinois_River_tributary) the section I'm on is mostly gravel
01:31 AM CaptHindsight: if you dig a few inches down just about anywhere you hit gravel
01:32 AM MacGalempsy: till is gravel that falls out as the glacier recedes
01:34 AM MacGalempsy: all that weight and movement grinds up rock pretty good
01:35 AM CaptHindsight: it left lots of hills in this otherwise near flat area
01:35 AM MacGalempsy: i think those are probably morraines
01:36 AM MacGalempsy: large gravel piles?
01:36 AM CaptHindsight: if you want to get all technical about it :)
01:37 AM MacGalempsy: my cursed love of terminology
01:38 AM MacGalempsy: so working on the oil rig again has been interesting
01:39 AM CaptHindsight: kame
01:41 AM CaptHindsight: MacGalempsy: any fire, explosions, giant sea bass etc?
01:44 AM MacGalempsy: well we are drilling in OK, so no sea bass
01:44 AM MacGalempsy: we have had flares, tool failures and worn bits. nothing dangerous tho
01:45 AM CaptHindsight: oh, I thought that you were out at sea
01:45 AM MacGalempsy: loud mouth directional drillers
01:46 AM MacGalempsy: nah. the wells take about a month to drill. im going out again in a week or so for 2 wells
01:49 AM CaptHindsight: I'm out, spent 6 hours in traffic today
02:23 AM Deejay: moin
05:03 AM jthornton: morning
05:03 AM XXCoder: hey the jt
05:05 AM jthornton: just had some heavy rain :(
05:06 AM XXCoder: everything ok?
05:06 AM XXCoder: here light rain and stayed cloudy all day.
05:06 AM XXCoder: not that i could do anything even if it was sunny and nice.
05:07 AM jthornton: I've not looked outside yet but the chickens are sleeping
05:08 AM jthornton: got the eagle tree vector fc yesterday
05:08 AM XXCoder: wow https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/05/microcar-madness-at-the-lane-motor-museum/
05:13 AM IchGucksLive: hi all
05:13 AM jthornton: hey
05:13 AM XXCoder: hey the cnc maker
05:14 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: expecting to finish 5 tomorrow as main tread arrived today
05:14 AM XXCoder: nice
05:14 AM XXCoder: the tiny office mill at work died :P
05:14 AM IchGucksLive: if lathe tool is also arriving
05:15 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: mills cand die only bits
05:15 AM XXCoder: apparently chips managed to get in back space and traveled up and inference with inductor sensor there for Z0
05:15 AM XXCoder: causing spindle to be too low when toolchange happened. crashed and killed servo there
05:16 AM IchGucksLive: of the TV
05:16 AM IchGucksLive: TC
05:16 AM XXCoder: I was wondering, wtf why is there a way for chips to get in back space! geez
05:16 AM XXCoder: tool changer move in and out servo
05:16 AM IchGucksLive: the chips might go on places you may never expect to be
05:16 AM jthornton: magic chips
05:16 AM XXCoder: theres new one in place but not done repairs yet. I wonder if there should be new panels somewhere
05:16 AM XXCoder: jt lol
05:17 AM IchGucksLive: Milling on TC is not a good idee
05:17 AM IchGucksLive: makit more fancy at it has been
05:17 AM XXCoder: its commerical machine
05:18 AM XXCoder: ironically its not made to be production yet we are using it as one,.
05:18 AM XXCoder: still need to make 2,800 more parts.
05:19 AM jthornton: I'm lucky to have to make 2 of the same part lol
05:20 AM XXCoder: lol we make tons parts there
05:20 AM XXCoder: today I made 50 parts or so
05:20 AM IchGucksLive: TOOL just arrived within the last minutes
05:20 AM IchGucksLive: so im also on to go
05:20 AM XXCoder: 5 of part took me over 800 minutes. lol (2 machines)
05:21 AM IchGucksLive: to be continued
05:21 AM XXCoder: cool later
05:22 AM XXCoder: jthornton: you make one offs at home?
05:33 AM XXCoder: JT-Shop: https://www.vox.com/new-money/2017/5/17/15649502/waymo-bird-poop-gif LOL
05:36 AM jthornton: lol
05:38 AM XXCoder: gif is funny. great idea though because shit happens.
05:38 AM XXCoder: theres birds that constantly poop on my car :(
05:54 AM jthornton: yuck I have to drive to Cuba today
05:55 AM XXCoder: always thought you live in usa
05:55 AM jthornton: Cuba MO
05:56 AM jthornton: all 2 lane curvy roads takes 3 hours
05:56 AM XXCoder: ugh
05:57 AM jthornton: oh well it's close to Swiss so after the job I'll run up there and get some brats
05:58 AM jthornton: shower time talk to you later
05:58 AM XXCoder: later
05:58 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9zSfinwFA fun video lol
07:52 AM Loetmichel: *cussing the hell out of that damned pallet strapping tool.* first the polyester strap slips out od the brake and causes me to hit my thumb hard on the lever... then i manage to put the metal clip only over the top strap and then the strap breaks moments before i could close the clip... causing a nice read strak on my cheek. And of course the truckdriver that has to ship it is already waiting...
07:52 AM Loetmichel: anyway, fourth time is a charm ;)
08:04 AM Todd_Z: The trucker is probably laughing at you to.
08:08 AM Loetmichel: yes
09:59 AM IchGucksLive: hi
10:09 AM nallar is now known as Ross
11:22 AM LeelooMinai: I got limited time offer email: http://i.imgur.com/enNj5fd.png
11:22 AM LeelooMinai: Seems like a bargain to me:p
11:23 AM roycroft: i've used that height gauge - it's really nice
11:23 AM LeelooMinai: It is only up to one dude - not even a micron.
11:24 AM LeelooMinai: $10 Chinese calipers can do that
11:24 AM archivist: damned expensive even with a reduction
11:24 AM roycroft: $10 chinese calipers can display that :)
11:24 AM roycroft: and over a short range - not over 24"
11:25 AM LeelooMinai: Ok, but still - crazy price
11:25 AM roycroft: it's a bit on the high end
11:25 AM roycroft: no argument there
11:25 AM archivist: I haz anteeeeeek mitutoyo height gauge
11:25 AM roycroft: i've never been a big fan of the digital display calipers/gauges/etc.
11:26 AM roycroft: mechanical ones work just fine
11:26 AM LeelooMinai: I have one Mitutoyo thing - micrometer I wound in the basement (no kidding:)
11:26 AM archivist: digital calipers are so useful,
11:26 AM roycroft: i like dial displays over vernier ones, generally, but vernier ones work fine
11:26 AM LeelooMinai: Well, I got a micron digital micrometer and I love this thing.
11:27 AM roycroft: the cheap digital calipers are shite
11:27 AM sync: I don't like calipers with dials, they just don't seem very robust to me
11:27 AM sync: I have a mitutoyo diamond one and a digital mitutoyo
11:27 AM roycroft: decent quality ones could be quite useful, but they're more expensive than decent dial calipers
11:27 AM sync: both have been fine so far
11:27 AM archivist: roycroft, I have tested some of the cheap ones, surprisingly good
11:28 AM roycroft: and i can't justify the extra expense, for myself
11:28 AM LeelooMinai: Callipers I have researched and bought cheap but good ones.
11:28 AM roycroft: i've bought several of them, archivist, and they all fail fairly quickly
11:28 AM archivist: dial has backlash
11:28 AM archivist: cheap use batteries quickly I know
11:28 AM roycroft: either the batteries fail quickly and one is constantly changing them, or they work for a while and then just stop working
11:29 AM roycroft: i had one that would not shut off, no matter what
11:29 AM roycroft: every time i used it i'd have to remove the battery when i was done
11:29 AM sync: http://ecatalog.mitutoyo.com/ABSOLUTE-Coolant-Proof-Caliper-Series-500-with-DustWater-Protection-Conforming-to-IP67-Level-C1384.aspx
11:29 AM sync: I have one of those
11:29 AM sync: it's been great
11:30 AM LeelooMinai: I have this digital micrometer - yes, it's cheap, but I cannot really fault it for anything much: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00HS2WY20/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
11:30 AM roycroft: that one says the battery life is 5 years with average use
11:30 AM roycroft: i'm not sure i've ever had a digital one with a battery life of five days of average use
11:31 AM roycroft: my micrometers are vernier style, and that's fine
11:31 AM sync: well, get one of those and you'll see
11:31 AM sync: I use it every day and so far the battery still works
11:31 AM roycroft: perhaps, when budget allows
11:31 AM sync: had it for about 2 years now
11:31 AM roycroft: i have a new-to-me lathe to dress up still
11:32 AM roycroft: spare tool money is going into that at the moment
11:32 AM roycroft: speaking of which, my noga indicator holder is awaiting me at the post office
11:32 AM roycroft: i'll pick it up at lunch time
11:32 AM roycroft: and see if it's really worth all the fuss people make about it
11:32 AM roycroft: i expect it will be
11:33 AM archivist: I have the earlier version of https://www.machine-dro.co.uk/mitutoyo-absolute-digimatic-150mm-6-caliper-6042.html?gclid=CNLztLzo-dMCFaW17QodJOoDBg
11:34 AM archivist: my only problem is the battery contact starting to corrode under the gold
11:34 AM LeelooMinai: I bought mine callipers after watching a youtube video where a guy had like 5 kinds, including that Mutitoyo one, and tested them for different specs.
11:34 AM roycroft: i'm brewing on saturday, but after that i'm going to start working on the lathe in earnest - i need to disassemble, clean, and lube the carriage, and see what's going on with the thread gear box
11:34 AM roycroft: and align the tailstock
11:35 AM archivist: bed levelling before tailstock
11:35 AM roycroft: i levelled it already
11:35 AM roycroft: but i'm waiting on the tailstock because i want to level it again after it's been sitting on the stand for a week or two
11:37 AM roycroft: yesterday i cranked the carriage all the way over to the chuck, tightened down the carriage lock so that it would not move, than loosened the locking bolt just enough that i could move it without undue effort
11:37 AM roycroft: then i cranked it all the way to the right, and it did not bind at all
11:37 AM gregcnc: where is that height gage made
11:37 AM roycroft: that indicates to me that there is not excessive wear on the ways
11:38 AM archivist: put a level on the carriage and repeat
11:38 AM roycroft: a purely qualitative measure, but i think it helped confirm that i can make the machine useful
11:39 AM roycroft: oriented along the x or the z? because z is nowhere near level
11:39 AM roycroft: nor do i care
11:39 AM archivist: two traverses one X and second Y
11:39 AM roycroft: but if it's consistently off level i suppose that is useful to know
11:40 AM archivist: one tests for twist other for sag
11:40 AM roycroft: and i can shim the level up before performing the exercise
11:40 AM roycroft: this is a machinist's level, not a precision level
11:40 AM roycroft: but that should be fine
11:41 AM archivist: machinists levels are precision :)
11:41 AM roycroft: marks are at 0.005"/ft
11:41 AM roycroft: but they're far enough apart that i can interpolate 0.001"/foot
11:41 AM roycroft: the precision ones are 0.0005"/ft
11:41 AM roycroft: i don't think i need that for this lathe
11:42 AM roycroft: and with that kind of sensitivity, the bubble will probably move when i shift my weight from one foot to the other
11:42 AM archivist: if on a wooden floor, yes
11:42 AM roycroft: it's a concrete slab
11:42 AM roycroft: i'll redo the check with the level in both positions
11:43 AM roycroft: and as i said, i anticipate things might move a little as the slab gets used to the weight
11:43 AM roycroft: so the tailstock alignment will be waiting a few more days at least
11:44 AM archivist: I levelled the cmm then found oops http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=cmm+level
11:45 AM sync: I wonder how that happened
11:45 AM archivist: three point mount so not simple to correct
11:47 AM roycroft: i was hoping to be able to level the lathe by just using the levelling feet on the stand, but realised that the stand is stiff enough that if the top of the stand is not perfectly planar it will twist the lathe no matter what i do with the levellers
11:48 AM roycroft: i got it really close by just using the levelling feet, but i'll probably have to use some shims between the lathe and the stand to get it dead on
11:49 AM roycroft: that's a little unfortunate, as i put gaskets underneath the lathe to keep oil from running down the mounting holes
11:49 AM roycroft: grr
11:50 AM roycroft: jehova's witnesses are banging on my door again
11:50 AM roycroft: i have a sign that says "no soliciting" on the door
11:51 AM roycroft: i think i need to add another that says "no proselytizing" below it
11:51 AM roycroft: and "no dumping indoctrination literature"
11:52 AM archivist: I wind them up, try to educate them in the stupidity
11:53 AM roycroft: they come here constantly
11:53 AM roycroft: i don't have the time nor the energy to deal with them
11:53 AM roycroft: i fully respect their right to believe what they want to believe
11:54 AM roycroft: they need to respect my right to keep them off my property
11:54 AM roycroft: if random ne'er-do-well trespasses on my property i can have the person arrested
11:55 AM roycroft: but random religious zealot will never be prosecuted for trespassing
11:55 AM cradek: for knocking on your door? that's stupid talk.
11:55 AM cradek: don't answer, or answer and ask them to leave
11:55 AM roycroft: i don't answer any more
11:55 AM cradek: yay problem solved
11:55 AM roycroft: but they come here once/week on average
11:55 AM roycroft: it's annoying
11:55 AM cradek: (that's what I'd do too)
11:56 AM roycroft: and they always litter my property with indoctrination literature before they leave
11:56 AM jym: roycroft: Um... CNC yourself a NO SOLICITING sign
11:56 AM roycroft: i have a no soliciting sign on my door
11:56 AM roycroft: in big letters
11:56 AM roycroft: that doesn't slow them down at all
11:56 AM cradek: I bet religious people don't think they're selling something
11:56 AM roycroft: no
11:56 AM LeelooMinai: Or wire a mist spray to the vibration sensor on the door imo
11:56 AM roycroft: they're "saving" me, not "selling" me
11:57 AM archivist: they think they are giving...wtf
11:57 AM roycroft: except the jehova's witnesses
11:57 AM roycroft: i don't understand them at all
11:57 AM roycroft: because they believe that them that will be saved are already saved, and them that aren't won't be, no matter what
11:57 AM cradek: last time I answered, JW actually asked for money for their pamphlet
11:57 AM cradek: but I think if you decline they will give it to you anyway
11:57 AM roycroft: they believe in predestination
11:57 AM archivist: there is a funny youtube vid of a little ol lady telling them to eff off
11:58 AM roycroft: and my response to that is
11:58 AM cradek: My ex has one of these, and I think it works: https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Of-Fire-NO-PREACHING-PLAQUE-Preaching/dp/B000ETKZIE
11:58 AM roycroft: "so if i'm already saved, and going up to meet invisible sky guy when i die, why the hell should i follow your rules while i'm alive? i can't be rejected in the end"
11:58 AM roycroft: "and, to the contrary, if i'm *not* going to be saved, then why make the effort to follow your rules? it won't do me any good."
11:59 AM LeelooMinai: The probably don't understand themselves:)
11:59 AM roycroft: they don't seem to have a good response to that
11:59 AM roycroft: it's a very peculier cult
12:01 PM roycroft: er, peculiar
12:01 PM LeelooMinai: roycroft: Get one of your nephews or someone who is into death metal or something close to open the door next time - they may be gone forever.
12:01 PM roycroft: anglicans are the only ones with peculiers, i believe
12:01 PM sync: roycroft: just tell them that you are excluded
12:01 PM sync: that will instantly get rid of them
12:01 PM roycroft: unless the roman catholics have them as well - i'm not sure about that
12:01 PM roycroft: sync: i used to tell them i was catholic
12:01 PM roycroft: that got rid of them pretty quickly
12:02 PM sync: nah, telling them that you are excluded is better
12:02 PM roycroft: greet them at the door with a rosary in hand
12:02 PM sync: as they are now allowed to talk to you then
12:02 PM roycroft: they know immediately you're damned to hell
12:02 PM roycroft: my problem is that i live in a kind of rednecky neighborhod
12:03 PM roycroft: if i lived in one of the hippie neighborhoods they would never come around in the first place
12:15 PM pcw_mesa: We have a sign that says "No salesman, religious or otherwise. if this changes, we will contact you"
12:25 PM roycroft: how about "religious people: if you wish to contact me, have your boss call my boss to set up a meeting"?
12:27 PM LeelooMinai: Do people use interrupters instead of microswitches for endstops?
12:27 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
12:28 PM LeelooMinai: I think one of my switches failed and I managed to thread a stepper axle with a coupler frub screw:)
12:28 PM LeelooMinai: grub screw*
12:28 PM LeelooMinai: I guess the only plus is that I can say now that my machine can do threads in steel fine...
12:30 PM LeelooMinai: Seems to me an interrupter should be much more reliable, but I don't know - maybe there are drawbacks.
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:32 PM jasen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYlDdPI-ek
12:32 PM jasen: finaly full sserial linuxcnc per.
12:33 PM LeelooMinai: jasen: The what?
12:33 PM jasen: smartserial machine
12:33 PM jasen: smartserial servos , smartserial io
12:33 PM jasen: smartserial spindle
12:33 PM LeelooMinai: I guess I need to google smartserial
12:34 PM jasen: and the new interface
12:34 PM jasen: smartserial is a mesa protocol
12:34 PM LeelooMinai: Er...
12:35 PM LeelooMinai: So when you say "smartserial spindle", what does that imply?
12:35 PM skunkworks: jasen, is this your amp your developing? That Andy was talking about?
12:36 PM jasen: smartserial servo for the spindle motor
12:36 PM jasen: no vfd
12:36 PM jasen: yes , thas stmbl
12:37 PM LeelooMinai: jasen: So mesa talks to your hardware I assume using that smartserial protocol?
12:37 PM jasen: yes
12:38 PM jasen: all interfaces are mesa sserial protocol
12:38 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, what is that GUI there - your custom?
12:39 PM sync: yes
12:40 PM jasen: theese are smartserial servo drives , smartserial io module
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: gmoocapy based
12:40 PM jasen: no
12:40 PM jasen: from scrach
12:40 PM jasen: c++
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: cool
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: the distance is quite usefull
12:41 PM jasen: no more analog shit
12:41 PM jasen: touch screen + kbd
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: so we go 21century on that
12:42 PM jasen: hope to
12:42 PM jasen: it dedicated fpga like 7i80 + 6 sserial chanels
12:42 PM newcnc22_ is now known as newcnc22
12:43 PM jasen: verry soon we will have full working machine based on that
12:44 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, read a bit - seems Mesa uses this protocol to talk from the main FPGA card to all the secondary cards - 2.5Mbps or so.
12:45 PM LeelooMinai: jasen: This protocol is signle-ended or uses differential pair?
12:46 PM jasen: the protocol and the interfaces are different think. in this case use stp 4 pair rj cable
12:46 PM jasen: standart and cheap.
12:46 PM jasen: MANNY THANKS FOR THE SSERIAL TO PCW
12:46 PM LeelooMinai: "The Mesa Smart-Serial interface is a 2.5Mbs proprietary interface", well, what about this part? If it's not open isn't it risky to tie your thing to it?
12:47 PM sync: no
12:47 PM LeelooMinai: I mean for something that potentially will be a product.
12:48 PM LeelooMinai: Instead of, I don't know, modbus or something like this.
12:48 PM jym: LeelooMinai: proprietary can mean non-standard, not necessarily closed
12:49 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, but what I mean is you tie yourself to some prety specific hardware.
12:49 PM jasen: smartserial is a mix of at least 4-5 different protocols , but in this case it fits verry well here
12:49 PM sync: LeelooMinai: all the hardware is our own, we're just usung mesa cards as a fancy eth to serial card
12:49 PM jym: LeelooMinai: Well, the nice thing is it's just another protocol, just changed in software as needed
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: are there chepe servo drivers that can do smartserial
12:50 PM jasen: what you undurstand for cheap
12:50 PM LeelooMinai: sync: Wait, what do you mean "we" - is jassen your otehr nick or what? :)
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: jasen: below 100USD
12:50 PM jasen: depend
12:51 PM sync: negative LeelooMinai
12:51 PM jasen: haw many you want to make
12:51 PM jasen: but generaly , yes , under 100 usd for parts
12:51 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, I lost track then of what's going on:p
12:51 PM jasen: and I have to say stmbl is a great servo
12:58 PM mman1506: Hello
12:58 PM mman1506: I'm stuck on the choice between a ethernet MESA card vs a PCI MESA card
12:59 PM mman1506: they both seem to be used equally in new builds but a ethernet based board seems far superior
12:59 PM LeelooMinai: But probably more $$
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: mman1506: welcome What mashine type
01:01 PM mman1506: the 5i25 and 7i92M are both 89$
01:01 PM mman1506: It's a bridgeport interact 4 series 2
01:01 PM mman1506: analog 0-10v drives
01:02 PM sync: I would go for the ethernet option
01:02 PM sync: it has no drawbacks
01:02 PM mman1506: for the servos so I'm looking at using 7i77
01:02 PM mman1506: thanks, i was worried their would be some gap in the support
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: ethernet is best choice
01:04 PM mman1506: great now I can use a smaller mobo. Is there any downside to running a self contained pc like the BRIX/NUC versus a mini ITX system ?
01:05 PM jasen: http://www.asrock.com/ipc/overview.asp?Model=sbc-210 use that
01:07 PM mman1506: looks like a great option but I can't seem to find anyone selling it in north america
01:08 PM mman1506: I assume anything j1900 based is generally a good bet
01:09 PM LeelooMinai: I just stuck a cheap i3 in mine - I have great jitter results.
01:09 PM * roycroft wonders why travel agencies are stuck in the 1990s
01:10 PM roycroft: the bigger qustion, i suppose, is: why do travel agencies still exist?
01:10 PM jasen: just check the lan chip , if you gona use lan fpga , you would like to have intel chipset
01:10 PM * roycroft just got another junk fax from a travel agency
01:10 PM roycroft: 100% of my junk faxes are from travel agencies
01:10 PM LeelooMinai: fax, lol
01:10 PM roycroft: it's still a good thing to have a fax service
01:11 PM roycroft: fortunately, i have an e-fax service now, and it hardly costs me anything
01:11 PM roycroft: $1.50/month, and the faxes are emailed
01:12 PM gregcnc: I think I needed fax once in the past decade
01:14 PM roycroft: i rarely need to send or receive a fax
01:14 PM roycroft: but when i do it's a pain to deal with if i don't handle it in house
01:15 PM roycroft: i've had the same fax number for 23 years
01:15 PM roycroft: it was nice to be able to port it over to the vfax service
01:15 PM mman1506: sweet, btw these are a good deal rn http://www.ebay.ca/itm/172412152465 . They seem to have decent linux support (I guess I'll find out)
01:16 PM roycroft: and it's one number off my main business number
01:16 PM LeelooMinai: mman1506: O, interesting - I was researching those and did not see that one.
01:17 PM LeelooMinai: mman1506: The question is though if it will work with linuxcnc - from what I read it's a hit and miss and many people end up with using specific models that other verified.
01:19 PM mman1506: Yeh, I was reading the same thing. Worst case I'll end up with a 3rd monitor for my desktop
01:19 PM LeelooMinai: Shippoing $100 though - fail:(
01:20 PM gregcnc: move to the US it's free shipping
01:20 PM mman1506: good thing I have a USA to Canada forwarder
01:20 PM LeelooMinai: A, right, I just remembered - that's a place one can set up a border address or something like that?
01:21 PM mman1506: yeh, they have a truck that goes across the border and brings it to a nearby warehouse
01:21 PM LeelooMinai: mman1506: What is the name of the website - maybe I will just use that.
01:21 PM mman1506: the touch screen controller is egalax btw https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G4oD6Y8vlyNHW6wJT89pxcjWHoETLLT-SEoAIW6_7Xc/pub
01:21 PM mman1506: http://crossborderpickups.ca/
01:21 PM LeelooMinai: thx
01:22 PM LeelooMinai: mman1506: So, you made a separate user on ebay for that?
01:22 PM mman1506: same user works
01:22 PM LeelooMinai: ok, great
01:25 PM IchGucksLive: does someone have a DXF of the LCNC logo with the TUX and the BIT in the wing
01:26 PM IchGucksLive: less work to generate if it is already done
01:27 PM * LeelooMinai tries to draw her signature with mouse and facepalms
01:27 PM LeelooMinai: I think they overestimate what can be done with mouse:)
01:28 PM LeelooMinai: Maybe there's a software that will take scanned signature and move the mouse automatically...
01:29 PM gregcnc: searching ebay for lathe chucks is futile
01:30 PM SpeedEvil: why?
01:30 PM gregcnc: ever tried?
01:32 PM * LeelooMinai tries to attach a pen to a mouse to see if this will work
01:33 PM LeelooMinai: lol, fail - snyone ever tried do sign with mouse online?
01:33 PM SpeedEvil: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=("3 jaw"%2C"4 jaw"%2C"four jaw"%2C"6 jaw"%2C"six jaw") lathe chuck for example
01:34 PM SpeedEvil: Even just 'lathe chuck' seems sane
01:36 PM gregcnc: 15k results for lathe chuck?
01:36 PM SpeedEvil: not specifying anything other than lathe chuck, and not specifying non-used, I get 900 (for the uk)
01:36 PM gregcnc: and it excludes those that don't include "lathe"
01:36 PM SpeedEvil: err - not specifying used
01:37 PM gregcnc: 12k US only
01:37 PM SpeedEvil: Is it showing results with either lathe or chuck in them?
01:37 PM gregcnc: i'm trying to find a 4" power chuck
01:37 PM SpeedEvil: Or is it just you can't find which particular chuck
01:38 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
01:39 PM SpeedEvil: Power chucks seem very, very rare in that size
01:40 PM SpeedEvil: (on ebay)
01:42 PM gregcnc: they are, but having to wade through thousands of listings doesn't help find the ones that are there
01:43 PM SpeedEvil: I would look at including common makers in the search, or perhaps adding keyords around 'hydraulic' or 'pnuematic' and searching desc. Plus search used only, if you want something cheap
01:46 PM LeelooMinai: mman1506: How do you actually pay that cross-border company?
01:48 PM mman1506: You make an account and pay when you pickup
01:49 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, but if they mail it to you.
02:00 PM mman1506: not sure
02:00 PM mman1506: I haven't done it that way
02:01 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, I bought already it because notice that they seem to be being bought out by now and kind of panicked:)
02:02 PM LeelooMinai: But, I think it cannot be worse than that $100 direct shipping.
02:03 PM LeelooMinai: What can go wrong - in the worst case I will spend 2018 writing a driver for a touch screen controler for Linux:/
02:05 PM mman1506: Where are you located?
02:05 PM LeelooMinai: Kitchener
02:05 PM mman1506: That's not all that far from the warehouse in missasaugua
02:05 PM mman1506: shipping should be alright
02:06 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I know - but could as well be in Syberia, as I don't have a car.
02:06 PM mman1506: same
02:06 PM mman1506: luckily im in TO so public transit is better
02:08 PM LeelooMinai: mman1506: Hmm, so, if I oredered for the border adress, I have to somehow add it in the website too, or I have to wait until they get it and then do something?
02:09 PM LeelooMinai: There is pending packages list, but I don't think I can add to it by myself.
02:09 PM mman1506: they will send you an email and add it when they recieve it
02:09 PM LeelooMinai: A, ok, thx
02:10 PM mman1506: Theyll ask you for the customs value
02:10 PM mman1506: and then once its at the warehouse you can tell them where to forward it
02:10 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, those are used, so what I say?
02:11 PM mman1506: well that depends on your morals ;)
02:11 PM LeelooMinai: None? :)
02:12 PM LeelooMinai: Maybe there are some price brackets for this where you pay less.
02:12 PM mman1506: It a should be the value of your shipment so like 115 CAD
02:13 PM mman1506: nah duty should be minimal, it's just hst and gst
02:13 PM LeelooMinai: A, ok
02:13 PM mman1506: So 13% and maybe 1 or 2% duty
02:14 PM LeelooMinai: mman1506: Did you test yours already?
02:16 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, it has glass surface, so at least probably it's capacitive.
02:20 PM LeelooMinai: It may be even IPS
02:21 PM mman1506: Just ordered today
02:21 PM LeelooMinai: I am reading this: http://www.touchwindow.com/c/TRK21A-0111.html <- though the one on ebay is 0101-A0
02:23 PM mman1506: it's definitley capactive
02:23 PM mman1506: multi touch too
02:24 PM mman1506: I'm not sure if it's IPS though
02:24 PM LeelooMinai: They say projected capacitive - I guess it cannot be crappy if they used them in some kiosk-like things.
02:25 PM LeelooMinai: mman1506: Who know, the new IPS model has "21.5" Diagonal TFT Active Matrix Panel", so maybe they copied it, but still can be IPS.
02:25 PM mman1506: AFAIK projected capacitive is the same thing as what's used on smarthphones. It should be good
02:26 PM LeelooMinai: As long as it's not resistive:) But I think resistive are not really used in commercial environments.
02:26 PM mman1506: oh they are
02:27 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I read once, that they are not very resistant to fluids, etc.
02:27 PM mman1506: industrial users love them
02:27 PM LeelooMinai: But I guess you can use gloves with them...
02:27 PM mman1506: they just suck
02:27 PM mman1506: some are better than others
02:27 PM mman1506: but they don't really handle fingers that well
02:28 PM mman1506: really only work for stylus operation unless you have huge buttons
02:28 PM LeelooMinai: Good for kicks and punches
02:29 PM LeelooMinai: lol @ 98 inch tourchsreens on that site - wth this is used for...
02:30 PM LeelooMinai: Maybe for filmin Minority Reportsequel
02:51 PM justan0theruser is now known as justanotheruser
03:06 PM roycroft: well, my first impression is that the noga indicator holder is very nice, and works very smoothly, but perhaps does not live up to its reputation based on its youtube and machinst forum accolades
03:06 PM roycroft: now i'm going to have to buy a $15 one to compare with it
03:48 PM XXCoder: got hall sensor for my cnc rputer :)
03:48 PM XXCoder: it max out at 1000 hz so should be able to handle it unlike other one
03:52 PM timm1: i compiled a component and installed it with "comp --install joint_stream.comp". when loading the component i get an error "undefined symbal: hal_ring_attach"
03:53 PM LeelooMinai: Maybe it's a version problem?
03:53 PM timm1: there is no symbol "hal_ring_attach" https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit/blob/master/src/hal/lib/hal_ring.h
03:53 PM LeelooMinai: Right, maybe it changed in some version of linuxcnc?
03:53 PM timm1: it is a inline function
03:54 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, if it was inlined, then maybe external name was not generated and something expected it...
03:55 PM timm1: i installed the dev package from repository
03:55 PM timm1: and the component is compiled on the machine where it is executed
03:56 PM LeelooMinai: Well, then maybe the component compilation did not inline it - wrong compilation options?
03:57 PM LeelooMinai: You can also use objdump to see what symbols actualy exist in the compiled binaries.
03:58 PM LeelooMinai: But my guess is that the component actually did not inline that function.
04:02 PM timm1: LeelooMinai: I looked in /usr/lib/linuxcnc/hal_ring.h the function is undefined in my installation
04:08 PM LeelooMinai: I am not linuxcnc dev, but machine kit was worked from the main code - so, maybe it's machine kit later addition.
04:08 PM LeelooMinai: forked*
04:12 PM XXCoder: it forked a while ago
04:12 PM XXCoder: theres bunch of changes
04:13 PM timm1: LeelooMinai: thanks for your help. the component was a bit outdated. i had to update the code to match with the new api. it works now
04:25 PM dioz: i got 100% on my first test
04:25 PM Deejay: gn8
04:26 PM XXCoder: was it all C? ;)
04:50 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: So what happened? Forgot to solve the bonus questions? :)
05:09 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, after thand endstop switch fail yesterday my Z-stage got stuck at the top - cannot move it.
05:11 PM LeelooMinai: No idea what could cause that - intriguing... I think I will take the front apart carefully.
05:12 PM LeelooMinai: I mean the four blocks and the plate are not connected to anything (like the ballnut block) and they don't move - weird.
05:12 PM roycroft: all you need is a big sledge hammer and it will move just fine
05:12 PM LeelooMinai: RIght, that's why I say "slowly" - I don't want to disturb anything, because I want to see what happened.
05:12 PM roycroft: ok
05:13 PM roycroft: so a little sledge hammer
05:13 PM roycroft: maybe a hand sledge
05:13 PM roycroft: or maybe even maxwell's silver hammer
05:13 PM roycroft: tap tap tap
05:20 PM enleth: is there an easy way of locating a vertical dowel if all I have is an edge finder?
05:20 PM enleth: like, say, a 1/4" dowel protruding an inch or so from a fixture
05:20 PM LeelooMinai: enleth: Maybe with two 123 blocks?
05:21 PM LeelooMinai: You could put it intop corner of them and then you have a square to work wiyh
05:21 PM LeelooMinai: intop=into
05:22 PM LeelooMinai: Need to know diameter of it of course.
05:22 PM LeelooMinai: I guess you could use machinist square too if you have one.
05:24 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, took the z-plate off, and blocks seem to move ok - that's even more disturbing than finding anything.
05:25 PM LeelooMinai: Maybe when the switch failed the stage hit the top and, I don't know, a block seized itself... Can they do that?
05:25 PM cradek: if you eyeball it and locate in X, then use that found X location to locate on Y, then use that Y location to locate on X, etc, I think it will converge very quickly
05:26 PM cradek: this is the same way you probe a hole with a probe
05:26 PM gregcnc: enleth approach from both sides and average, if working with backlash it's a bit tricky
05:26 PM cradek: if you use a square or 123 blocks you need to square them to the machine's travels, which is a separate problem you can avoid
05:27 PM cradek: just use your edgefinder on the dowel in this way that converges
05:27 PM enleth: OK, I found a square I can put against both dowels, one of them in the inner corner of the square
05:27 PM LeelooMinai: Well, the bed should be square already
05:27 PM cradek: wait there are two dowels?
05:27 PM LeelooMinai: A dowel within a dowel = babushka dowells
05:27 PM cradek: I thought you were locating one dowel
05:28 PM enleth: yes, but they're a bit far apart and I wasn't sure I have something long enough to put against both
05:28 PM enleth: something that has parallel surfaces, that is
05:29 PM enleth: turns out I have that square, so I can indicate it parallel to one axis and use edge finders on it
05:29 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, by now I developed distrust in those microswitches I have - bad.
05:29 PM LeelooMinai: They were supposed to be omron, but maybe that's "the other omron":/
05:29 PM roycroft: omr0n?
05:30 PM LeelooMinai: momron:)
05:30 PM roycroft: oh
05:30 PM roycroft: so you need to wear the magic underwear in order for them to work
05:30 PM LeelooMinai: I need to research interrupter use.
05:31 PM roycroft: time for errands and chores
05:31 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I saw sam article about mormon underware - did not read it, but I think I know what you are talking about:)
05:31 PM LeelooMinai: underwear even;p
05:37 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I wonder if there's a tool for taking couplers off. The ballscrews have a nut for that, but i mean between the stepper and the coupler for example - I had a really scary fight yesterday night with that.
05:49 PM LeelooMinai: And as the result I may have stretched it a bit... I squashed it back in a vise, but, I would like avoiding it next time.
05:52 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: it was a test to make sure i know how to use a hydraulik sheer abd press break iron worker
05:53 PM dioz: and iron worker
05:53 PM LeelooMinai: Ended up using wrech as a lever, but cannot say I liked that.
05:54 PM dioz: i'm a champ with making intersect/miters too
05:54 PM dioz: uaing parallel line development
05:54 PM dioz: using
05:54 PM dioz: bead rollers/rotary tools of all sorts
05:55 PM dioz: srick welding is a bitch though
05:55 PM dioz: stick
05:56 PM dioz: idk why i keep smoming
05:56 PM dioz: smoking.. it's so nasty
05:58 PM LeelooMinai: I managed to get my mom to quit few years ago - bought here those electronic kits and withn half a year she quit completely.
05:58 PM LeelooMinai: bought her*
05:59 PM Tom_L: wasted years
06:00 PM LeelooMinai: You can get liquids with nicotine in it, so, by itself you already have 1000x healthier alternative for the addiction to nicotine, but somehow that also make her be able to quit completely eventualy.
06:01 PM dioz: smoking is expensive.
06:02 PM Tom_L: they want you to quit
06:02 PM LeelooMinai: Right, well, never really understood the people who poison themselves with toxic fumes, etc., so her quiting made me pretty happy.
06:06 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/VGpSypw_lfY?t=33s where do I find this adapter for my B&D 1/4" cordless??
06:11 PM LeelooMinai: maybe in some season of The Flinstones
06:24 PM LeelooMinai: In block with bearing over a round rail, how do they match hardness of the reil and bearing balls, they make the balls have a little less hardness?
06:25 PM LeelooMinai: I am adjusting my blocks and wonder if I will ruin the rail if they are too tight.
09:32 PM LeelooMinai: Wow, I found out what happened to my z-stage
09:44 PM zeeshan: http://imgur.com/gallery/i9Ryo
09:44 PM zeeshan: woohoo
09:44 PM zeeshan: done! :D
10:01 PM MacGalempsy: yo
10:16 PM Tom_L: zeeshan looks good
10:16 PM Tom_L: except you didn't powder coat it :)
10:17 PM MacGalempsy: zeeshan whats up with the bear poker?
10:18 PM Tom_L: err maybe you did!
10:26 PM * LeelooMinai puts her stepper mottor into a plastic coffin and waves goodbye
10:26 PM LeelooMinai: It was my desing mistake - killed it:(
10:29 PM MacGalempsy: goid thing you are rich ;)
10:39 PM zeeshan: i didnt coat it
10:39 PM zeeshan: :)
10:39 PM zeeshan: MacGalempsy: lol
10:39 PM zeeshan: bear poker?!
10:40 PM MacGalempsy: yeah. the tennesee toothpick you were making
11:03 PM roycroft: so, i'm not sure what to make of this
11:03 PM roycroft: my lathe has two sight glasses to show the oil level for the two spindle bearings
11:04 PM roycroft: both of them show that the oil level is correct when the lathe is not running
11:04 PM roycroft: but after i start it up, after a couple minutes, the level shown in the one on the right goes down to below the "low" mark
11:04 PM roycroft: while the one on the left does not move
11:04 PM roycroft: when i shut the lathe off the level goes back up on the right side
11:05 PM roycroft: any ideas what's up with that?
11:06 PM roycroft: i ran it for about 20 minutes, and it did not get hot or noisy
11:07 PM enleth: are you sure the right one is for the bearing only?
11:07 PM enleth: maybe it's bearing and gears?
11:08 PM roycroft: the manual i have for the lathe claims it's just for the bearing
11:08 PM roycroft: this isn't a gearbox lathe - it's belt drive
11:08 PM enleth: no idea then
11:09 PM roycroft: since it doesn't get hot or noisy, and since there is no measureable spindle runout, i'm not really concerned about it
11:09 PM roycroft: more like curious
11:22 PM LeelooMinai: roycroft: Bu running you mean turning or just powered off?
11:22 PM LeelooMinai: Er, powered on*
11:33 PM LeelooMinai: Was thinking maybe centrifugal force is forcing more oil out.
11:36 PM roycroft: powerbothboth
11:36 PM roycroft: ack
11:37 PM roycroft: my screen froze up
11:37 PM roycroft: but both is the answer
11:37 PM roycroft: i was making some part
11:37 PM roycroft: s
11:39 PM roycroft: i'll investigate further at some later time
11:41 PM roycroft: i dropped my only test indicator this evening
11:41 PM roycroft: now there is no measurable runout of anything, because it no longer measures :(
11:41 PM roycroft: i have some dial indicators, but they're not a substitute for a test indicator
11:46 PM dioz: hey boys
11:46 PM dioz: roycroft: what's the difference betwenlen a mill and a drill press?
11:47 PM roycroft: a drill press is designed to do plunge cuts only, i.e. in line with the axis of the tool
11:47 PM roycroft: a mill is designed to cut at any angle
11:47 PM dioz: is it horizontal movement on thr bed then?
11:47 PM roycroft: that's the fundamental difference
11:47 PM dioz: ooh angles
11:48 PM dioz: roycroft: you sharpen your own bits?
11:48 PM roycroft: almost all drill presses do not have tables that can be moved precisely in the x and y planes
11:48 PM roycroft: but they can
11:48 PM roycroft: it's the spindle loading that is the real defining difference between a drill press and a milling machine
11:49 PM dioz: spindle loading?
11:49 PM roycroft: i do not grind end mills - i'm not set up to do that
11:49 PM roycroft: what i just described
11:49 PM roycroft: drill presses are designed for axial spindle loads only
11:49 PM roycroft: i do grind my drill bits and lathe tooling
11:49 PM dioz: i'm wo drunk
11:49 PM dioz: so
11:50 PM roycroft: i can't afford to buy new ones every time i need one sharpened, nor to outsource sharpening
11:50 PM roycroft: especially when it's so easy to do
11:50 PM dioz: what size drill bit is worth sharpening. vs. throwing away?
11:50 PM roycroft: and keep in mind that i'm an abolute novice machinist
11:50 PM roycroft: all of them are worth sharpening
11:50 PM dioz: like a 3/16 bit
11:50 PM dioz: sharpen?
11:51 PM roycroft: well, maybe <1/16" is not worth sharpening in house
11:51 PM roycroft: i'm not set up to sharpen bits that small
11:51 PM roycroft: but i also don't drill holes that small often
11:51 PM dioz: ah
11:51 PM roycroft: a watchmaker i am certainly not
11:52 PM dioz: we pre-drill all the roofing
11:52 PM dioz: i break lots of bits
11:52 PM dioz: going through like no big deal then snap
11:54 PM dioz: cause we do it in stacks. i imagine me pushing on it causes some kind of gain in tension
11:55 PM dioz: doesn't matter though
11:55 PM dioz: i go slow i go fast
11:56 PM dioz: slow penetration with fast spin. opposite. i break about 4 or 5 bits a barn
11:56 PM dioz: doesn't matter
11:57 PM dioz: they go about a inch and a half to two inches through mild steel
11:57 PM dioz: then we pull them off and drill more
11:59 PM dioz: how do i control my puddle up hill stick?