#linuxcnc Logs
May 14 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:05 AM Crom: hmm I wonder is 4 blocks each at 5.88 C(kN) 1321pound force each is over kill for a bt30 or is 4 blocks at 2.55 c(kN) 573lbf would be good enough
01:03 AM Crom: looking at the chart about 3/5th of the way down the page http://www.ebay.com/itm/MGN7-HIWIN-LINEAR-RAIL-CUT-TO-LENGTH-4-23-/262238680076
01:03 AM XXCoder: 3.70 c per inch?
01:06 AM XXCoder: Crom: I wonder if you order say 10 of those
01:07 AM XXCoder: how do they know if you want 2 5" or say 3 and 7"
01:07 AM Crom: you order 36 and leave them a note you want two 18" pieces or 3 12" pieces
01:08 AM XXCoder: cool
01:08 AM XXCoder: I saw something like that but qyite small
01:10 AM Crom: 1.37 kN is 300+ pounds of force.. that's on the 13mm long carriage block 220 pounds on the 8mm block
01:12 AM Crom: mount the rails on a piece of channel and use 4 blocks you have a really stiff mofo
01:39 AM IchGucksLive: morning from Germany
01:41 AM tiwake: its morning in (most of) USA too
01:41 AM IchGucksLive: mut not daylight
01:41 AM tiwake: neh
01:42 AM tiwake: thats over rated anyways
01:42 AM XXCoder: yo
01:42 AM XXCoder: soon 12 am here. sure its morning
01:48 AM IchGucksLive: im off till later 6-8hr off
01:48 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
01:50 AM Crom: 11:20PM here...
01:52 AM XXCoder: same
01:53 AM XXCoder: hi fellow timezoner
01:54 AM Deejay: moin
02:08 AM Crom: XXCoder you wash-a-tonian... Me, I am a proud Comrade of glorious peoples republic of Kaliifornistani!
02:08 AM XXCoder: lol
02:09 AM Crom: (GUH) I want to wash my hands for typing that
02:09 AM XXCoder: lol
03:43 AM Crom: I really need to get back to working on my ethernet linuxcnc to arduino mega poor man MESA card. It won't be realtime, but it'll be close main problem I having is a keyboard interrupt error I haven't tracked down
03:44 AM Crom: my 500mm 12mm linear shaft came in today as well
05:57 AM jthornton-: morning
06:02 AM XXCoder: hey JT-Shop
06:02 AM XXCoder: hey jthornton
06:06 AM jthornton-: hey XXCoder
06:06 AM XXCoder: whats up
06:07 AM jthornton-: just waking up
06:08 AM jthornton-: doing some fpv practice on the sim
06:09 AM XXCoder: I wonder if it'll work with my controller. highly doubtful lol
06:09 AM jthornton-: do you have a usb connector on the tx?
06:10 AM XXCoder: ah then answers definitely no lol
06:11 AM XXCoder: dang
06:11 AM XXCoder: texas had range of 35f to 107f
06:11 AM XXCoder: same day
06:14 AM jthornton-: we are going to texas in 2 weeks
06:19 AM XXCoder: welcome back
07:14 AM jthornton: http://nmwilliam.tripod.com/arduinet.html
09:04 AM Gene_home: yo! anyone alive on here?
09:04 AM archivist: no all dead or down the pub
09:04 AM Gene_home: hehehehe
09:05 AM Gene_home: where is archivist located?
09:05 AM archivist: home
09:05 AM Gene_home: usa sd
09:06 AM Gene_home: im trying model a drain hole for my collant tray in fusion 360.... my first effort for fushion and linuxcnc
09:07 AM Gene_home: a little overwhelming
09:17 AM JT-Shop: a bit early on this side of the pond for a visit to the pub
09:17 AM JT-Shop: there are some good vids on fusion360
09:30 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop, haven't been able to download the .py
09:30 AM Tom_L: the machine i use is broke
09:43 AM Tom_L: disk drive for UUID=45782034987508asdhfzn0234857 not ready or not present
09:48 AM JT-Shop: yikes
09:49 AM Tom_L: nothing changed on it but time
09:50 AM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: was the drive off and sitting for a while?
09:50 AM Tom_L: yup
09:51 AM Gene_home: in fusion 360, how do I get my dimensions to show up to edit?
09:53 AM Tom_L: are you in sketch mode?
09:53 AM Gene_home: model mode
09:53 AM JT-Shop: I think you just click on the feature
09:53 AM Tom_L: i don't know fusion but SW and catia you need to be in sketch mode
09:54 AM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: I've been able to recover a few by plugging them into a dock
09:54 AM CaptHindsight: long enough to get whatever data off them
09:54 AM Tom_L: CaptHindsight, i don't remember the root password now either :D
09:55 AM CaptHindsight: chroot
09:55 AM Tom_L: login incorrect
09:55 AM CaptHindsight: or plug it into a dock on another system and copy what you can
09:56 AM Tom_L: would be ok but i don't have another linux box atm except the headless server
09:57 AM Tom_L: and lack motivation for this project at this particular point in time
09:57 AM CaptHindsight: we had some bad 3TB Segate drives that were part of a class action suit
09:58 AM CaptHindsight: they would just die unexpectedly, no warning from SMART
09:58 AM CaptHindsight: the heads would just get stuck
10:13 AM Tom_L: ok, got past root login
10:13 AM Tom_L: seems all my user files are there
10:22 AM CaptHindsight: \0/
11:40 AM LeelooMinai: lol, I went to check some Haas video about squaring a vise on a CNC, and the second step was "now, you have to stone the table"...
11:41 AM LeelooMinai: Not what I was expecting - seems a bit brutal.
11:42 AM IchGucksLive: hi out of germany
11:43 AM TurBoss: hello
11:43 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
11:46 AM Gene_home: using penscil tool path to generate code for drain hole in collant tray.... but am only geting 2-3 circles..... what paramenter do I need to change to get a nice tapered drain hole
11:47 AM IchGucksLive: Gene_home: still on fusion
11:47 AM Gene_home: whoops... yes
11:47 AM LeelooMinai: There's a pencil toolpath?
11:47 AM Gene_home: ya
11:47 AM Gene_home: fillet type finish work
11:48 AM LeelooMinai: Maybe bore will work?
11:48 AM Gene_home: which I have a combination of pocket, chamfer, fillet
11:49 AM LeelooMinai: Watch for the pocket - it can kill the tool in the corners (as I found out:)
11:50 AM LeelooMinai: Since it's not like adaptive, which adjusts toolpath in tight areas.
11:50 AM LeelooMinai: But I guess, if you have a nice circle, there will be no "corners".
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: if someone needs drawings or construction items on ALLOY profiling here is a good side
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: http://minitec.kimweb.de/
12:23 PM IchGucksLive: profile system -> system components -> profiles
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: hi gloops
01:10 PM gloops: 4th axis, any linux tools for wrapping or stepping for 4th axis
01:10 PM IchGucksLive: gecode loops are o xx sub
01:10 PM gloops: hi
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: gloops: wrapping to 360 deg only
01:11 PM IchGucksLive: stepping by buttonpress
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: gloops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqx9w80diKo
01:13 PM gloops: ok thanks ill watch
01:13 PM IchGucksLive: thats my mashine
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: gloops: and my channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmwhCL92ZQRSVqFe3jGwJSQ
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: im in germany
01:14 PM gloops: hey nice machine
01:15 PM gloops: so how does this work - stepping by buttonpress
01:15 PM IchGucksLive: no its a intire gcode
01:15 PM IchGucksLive: oh english understanding here sometimes fails
01:16 PM IchGucksLive: gloops: the GUI interface has already buttons for miving the rotation axis
01:16 PM IchGucksLive: gloops: also there are buttons on the keyboard itself
01:16 PM IchGucksLive: or you can add buttons to a side panel
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: as well to a mpg
01:17 PM IchGucksLive: even a gamecontroler like Xbox can do it for you
01:17 PM gloops: buttons like physical buttons that get pressed?
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: yes
01:18 PM gloops: press by the travel of the machine?
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: standard 5USD interfaces got 12out and 5 in
01:18 PM IchGucksLive: even that
01:19 PM gloops: not clear in my mind whats happening - thats pretty good work though!
01:19 PM IchGucksLive: it makes no sence but you can do it
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: gloops: for understanding a PART 3D modell is scaned by a CAM programm
01:20 PM gloops: ahh i see
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: this gives out lines of cordinates
01:20 PM gloops: ok
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: ands the mashine precesses them
01:20 PM IchGucksLive: process
01:21 PM archivist: gloops, it is simple to write gcode to step a rotary
01:21 PM IchGucksLive: you can have 9 ISO axis or 12 joints on your mashine
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: hi archivist
01:22 PM archivist: gloops, something like http://www.archivist.info/cnc/standard_clock_n_teeth.ngc
01:22 PM IchGucksLive: its late im off GN8 from germany
01:22 PM gloops: archivist i imagine it is, the step code is easy, but you still need to wrap the 3d contours on something?
01:22 PM gloops: ok thanks Ich, ill look into it more
01:22 PM archivist: all depends on what you want to make
01:23 PM archivist: some cheat a bit on artistic stuff on cylinders
01:25 PM gloops: i think hand coding would get pretty lengthy for a fancy peice
01:26 PM archivist: some swap a linear axis and have it drive the rotary so something like an image becomes wrapped around a cylinder
01:30 PM gloops: yeah, im not a developer or much knowledge of coding, but i think thats what the vectric apps do
01:30 PM gloops: v carve and so on
01:31 PM gloops: oh no, sorry didnt read properly first time
01:31 PM Gene_home: recommended fusion360 postprocessor for 3axis mill
01:31 PM Gene_home: ???
01:33 PM Gene_home: found it
01:36 PM LeelooMinai: Gene_home: It's in the main library - just watch out: it assumes your Z-axis 0 is at the top.
01:37 PM LeelooMinai: So it will go there at tool change, etc. If you have zero somewhere else it will, well, end bad.
01:44 PM Vq_ is now known as Vq
02:20 PM selektor: Hallo ich bin neu hier ist die chatsprache deutsch?
02:21 PM Deejay: nein
02:21 PM Deejay: englisch
02:22 PM Crom: selektor: IchGucksLive will be in later, he is native german. I think he shows up are 6pm european time.
02:23 PM selektor: thanks for your answer
02:23 PM Crom: IchGucksLive wird später sein, er ist deutsch. Ich glaube, er zeigt sich um 18 Uhr Europas Zeit.
02:23 PM Crom: he, I went to google translate
02:23 PM Crom: heh
02:23 PM Deejay: hi crom
02:24 PM Crom: moin Deejay
02:25 PM Crom: I'm looking at my 500mm long 12 linear shaft that arrived yesterday and now realize I need to get a good set of metric drill bits to be able to tap the ends
02:26 PM Deejay: haha
02:29 PM SpeedEvil: Or a finely graduated enough set of imperial ones.
02:31 PM Crom: or that...I really love to get a full set of letter, number, and fractional by /64's to 1/2"
02:31 PM Crom: in a cobol bit
02:36 PM Crom: http://www.ebay.com/itm/115-Pc-Cobalt-M42-Drill-Bit-Index-Letter-Number-Lifetime-Warranty-Drill-Hog-USA-/172549825150?hash=item282cc5627e:g:j~MAAOSwpIdW7LWJ
02:36 PM Goodlord: right
02:36 PM Goodlord: 4th axis
02:36 PM Crom: yep... 4th axis aka pain in the arse
02:36 PM Goodlord: archivist are you here?
02:37 PM Goodlord: how about this for a strategy
02:38 PM Goodlord: im talking about something like say a table leg her, with some turning on it, you know narrow bits, wide bits whatever
02:38 PM Goodlord: her = here
02:38 PM Goodlord: so
02:39 PM zeeshan: http://i.imgur.com/YYj5z6R.jpg
02:39 PM zeeshan: looks better in real life
02:39 PM zeeshan: vs cad
02:39 PM zeeshan: http://i.imgur.com/cgMwCEb.png
02:39 PM zeeshan: need to powdercoat
02:39 PM Goodlord: first i draw this in 3d as a flat, like a landscape if you can imagine it, its looks like sqaure with bumps running all way accross
02:40 PM Goodlord: i can easily get a toolpath to cut that
02:40 PM Crom: then switch x for a
02:41 PM Goodlord: weyeah if i make a toolpath to cut that in lines from one end to the other
02:41 PM Goodlord: i just got to step one at the end of every cut
02:42 PM Goodlord: which in effect wraps the toolpath into a cylinder
02:42 PM Goodlord: is that right?
02:42 PM Crom: how steps per mm or inch if your X and how many steps for 360 in A?
02:42 PM Crom: yep
02:42 PM Crom: s/if/in/
02:42 PM sync: Oo zeeshan
02:44 PM Goodlord: yeah the calculation, you need the number of passes it takes, - that needs to be complete after 360 degrees
02:44 PM Goodlord: archivist is right i bet this wouldnt be hard to figure out
02:44 PM Goodlord: no matter how complicated the cylinder
02:45 PM Crom: my A is 3280 steps per 360degrees and 800 per mm in X. which for me is 4.1mm to a rev in A so my X Y would be 4.2mm wide X and what ever Y is
02:46 PM Goodlord: i havent even got the machine built yet lol
02:46 PM Crom: 4.1mm is 360 degrees 4.2mm adds a bit
02:46 PM Goodlord: but do you do 4 axis work like that basically Crom?
02:46 PM Crom: I have
02:47 PM Goodlord: so quite possible without 5k software
02:47 PM Crom: mainly on the laser cutter... where it's the standard...
02:47 PM sync: Dependa on what you do
02:48 PM Goodlord: sync wood
02:48 PM sync: should be fine then
02:55 PM Crom: Goodlord: V carving, laser etching, round nose end mill... that method is fine.
02:56 PM Goodlord: somebody could probably write something to do that in freecad pretty easy
02:56 PM Crom: for actual carving, putting holes, etc you need the actual 4th axis software
02:58 PM Goodlord: Crom take this 3d stl - http://for3d.ru/images/product_images/popup_images/011_panno_gospod_adam_eva_artcam.jpg
02:59 PM Goodlord: if we forget x and y for a minute - use left to right
02:59 PM Goodlord: if a made a toolpath to cut that in lines from left to right all way accross
03:00 PM Goodlord: but stepped the A axis at the end of every line, why wouldnt it cut that on a cylinder?
03:00 PM Crom: I still call that vcaring
03:00 PM Crom: I still call that vcarving
03:01 PM Crom: there is no undercuts..
03:01 PM Goodlord: ok so that would work
03:01 PM Goodlord: yes right
03:01 PM Goodlord: not true 4 axis work
03:02 PM Crom: that would look good on a cylinder
03:02 PM Goodlord: or isnt 5 axis for undercuts?
03:02 PM Crom: true 4th and 5th for under cuts in both X and Y
03:02 PM Goodlord: yeah probably would, just to give some idea - im just trying to get my head round this
03:02 PM Crom: 4th axis with under cuts in only X OR Y
03:07 PM Crom: say you had a cylinder you needed to put 2 pins through off line with the 4th axis, you'd need your X, to put through 2 pins angled off Z and A center line for like a nozzle you'd need 5th axis
03:13 PM Crom: for a gantry machine with the Z moving in X and the gantry moving in Y. If you put your 4th in line with the X on the gantry and put a 5th axis on the Z to tilt your spindle. You could do 5 axis work... Y for off 4th axis and B for the 5th axis the center line of rotation for the B would inline with the Y axis motion.
03:15 PM LeelooMinai: I wonder if those chinese $50 digital torque adapters work - they claim 1% accuracy
03:16 PM Goodlord: ill be happy with 4 axis lol
03:16 PM LeelooMinai: Anyone had one of these things? https://goo.gl/nOlzvH
03:18 PM Goodlord: no not used one
03:19 PM Goodlord: i usually just tighten till tight then another half turn for good luck
03:20 PM sync: LeelooMinai: cheap enough and you can check the accuracy pretty easily
03:21 PM LeelooMinai: Right, probably will not buy it, since I have a "normal" kind. I would consider it, but that range is a bit not for my usage - 20Nm to 200, that sounds good for working on a bulldozer or something:)
03:24 PM Goodlord: a crankshaft pulley on a van i had was 160 i think, stupid amount of pressure - very difficult to release
03:24 PM sync: 20-200 is a pretty usual range
03:24 PM sync: if you work on a bulldozer, add a 0
03:24 PM LeelooMinai: I guess for car work, etc.
03:25 PM Goodlord: probably no different on a bulldozer
03:25 PM Goodlord: things like rocker cover bolts are 5-10
03:25 PM Crom: actually.. Citreon axle nuts are torqued to insane levels like 2000ft#+
03:27 PM Goodlord: probably no mechanical need for that - thats to stop amateurs repairing their own cars
03:27 PM sync: I see 300Nm max in my table, 2000ftlb is 2700Nm
03:28 PM LeelooMinai: I remember maybe 12 years ago or so, when I was not really having any tools, but I was riding MTB marathons, one day before the competition, I had a crank I think seized and could not get it off - I was going crazy half a night around the house, and finally got it off using a broom stick and some metal pipe as a leverage and door frame holding the bike - when I think about it, it's pretty funny:)
03:29 PM LeelooMinai: It was a good lesson for having proper tools though.
03:34 PM Crom: I shop I know uses a 1" breaker bar and a 12' piece of pipe to tighten them
03:37 PM sync: depending on the bearing arrangement that's fine and just pulling the axle more
03:38 PM sync: usually the races are selected so you can just push them together and they are at the right preload
03:38 PM sync: with double AC bearings you just kill them
03:45 PM Goodlord: well tapered or thrust bearings are a light torque, the locking nut holds the thing on
03:47 PM Gene_: when i run the linux logo test on linuxcnc, z moves in the wrong direction, what should I do?
03:48 PM Jymmm: I'm getting ready to sell all my cnc stuff. Gonna try and sell the cnc router on CL (too big to ship), but I was wondering for the parts(motors, driver,s controls, etc) do you think I should sell individually or as one big lot?
03:48 PM LeelooMinai: Gene_home: Change the cabling on the stepper.
03:48 PM JT-Shop: change the scale sign
03:48 PM TurBoss: Gene_ swap one coil wiring
03:48 PM TurBoss: oh
03:48 PM Gene_: ok.... thanks!
03:48 PM TurBoss: xD
03:50 PM Crom: with my JMC-motor closed loops... I just flip a switch
03:51 PM LeelooMinai: 3rd way would be turning the CNC upside down
03:51 PM TurBoss: :D
03:53 PM Crom: hmmm 6 pin aviation plug won't work... I need motor +-, 5v, S, D, Gnd, and ALM 7 pins
03:53 PM Gene_: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/01/KL34H295-43-8A.pdf
03:54 PM TurBoss: Gene_ what wiring are you using?
03:54 PM TurBoss: paralel or series?
03:54 PM Gene_: knock on wood.... its under heat shrink and notes are at home, but believe it is the parallel
03:55 PM Gene_: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/digital-stepper-motor-driver/digital-stepper-driver-kl-5056d-heat-sink-is-included/
03:56 PM Crom: M16 8 pin Avaition socket connector yay!
03:56 PM TurBoss: brown/black <-> Orange/Whithe
03:57 PM TurBoss: or B+ <-> B-
03:58 PM Crom: carp... gotta wait $70 in the bank... next payday is tuesday
04:00 PM TurBoss: my encoder sends random steps when joging :(
04:00 PM TurBoss: i have to buy a jog wheel
04:01 PM Tom_L: they're cheap
04:01 PM TurBoss: how many
04:01 PM TurBoss: ?
04:01 PM Tom_L: like $17
04:01 PM TurBoss: ah yes
04:02 PM LeelooMinai: For now I use a little RF keyboard.
04:02 PM TurBoss: same here
04:02 PM TurBoss: but bad response
04:02 PM LeelooMinai: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/34599887596/in/dateposted-public/
04:02 PM TurBoss: ah I saw it
04:03 PM TurBoss: nice kb
04:03 PM TurBoss: has mouse?
04:03 PM Tom_L: http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Manual-Pulse-Generator-MPG-6-Terminal-5V-60mm-for-engraving-handwheel-/122298610827?hash=item1c7990b48b:g:Of8AAOSw5cNYbKfi
04:03 PM Crom: Hmm.
04:03 PM TurBoss: thanks Tom_L
04:03 PM LeelooMinai: I also had Logitech "Rumblepad" connected in configured, but it was driving me mad - the joysticks had tendency to sometimes activate the perpendicular axis, so it was fail.
04:03 PM Crom: . i have an ATI rf wonder remote
04:05 PM TurBoss: Tom_L : why there are 2 "A" and "B" ?
04:05 PM LeelooMinai: The little keyboard is much better, but yes, it also has annoying feature of going to sleep mode after a while and then when you press a key it needs to wake up.
04:05 PM TurBoss: ah ok
04:05 PM TurBoss: is negate
04:05 PM Tom_L: invert
04:05 PM TurBoss: ARE *
04:05 PM TurBoss: OOPS
04:05 PM TurBoss: ops
04:05 PM Tom_L: you don't need to use them all
04:05 PM TurBoss: fine
04:05 PM Tom_L: unless you need differential input
04:06 PM TurBoss: sound good
04:06 PM TurBoss: but no
04:06 PM LeelooMinai: One day I need to figure out what I want to have at the machine - maybe some kind of touch-screen or tablet as the input device, not sure.
04:06 PM TurBoss: I don't need it
04:07 PM Crom: There is an A coil and a B coil. Each coil has 2 ends of their wire
04:25 PM Deejay: gn8
04:25 PM TurBoss: bye
04:25 PM LeelooMinai: I think I will make deca-micron my main milling unit:)
04:50 PM Gene_: turboss: ive connected black/white from stepper to B+, and then tested black/white from stepper to B-.... either way not behaving very good
04:51 PM TurBoss: you should just swap B+ with B +
04:51 PM TurBoss: *B-
04:52 PM * TurBoss is checking you mortor pdf
04:52 PM TurBoss: *your
04:52 PM TurBoss: :D
04:53 PM TurBoss: Gene_ What is your current wiring?
04:58 PM Gene_: i am getting screwed up... when working in wrong direction Black/white->B-, Brown/Orange->B+
04:59 PM TurBoss: Black/white->B+, Brown/Orange->B-
04:59 PM TurBoss: can you try this one?
04:59 PM Gene_: i will try again... maybe gibs were too tight....
04:59 PM TurBoss: what it does?
05:00 PM TurBoss: wierd things?
05:00 PM TurBoss: :D
05:11 PM * JT-Shop ponders how to make a reversing motor circuit with 2 single pole relays...
05:12 PM TurBoss: FreeCAD Path workbench is getting better
05:13 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, that's what i did on my spindle
05:13 PM pcw_mesa_ is now known as pcw_mesa
05:13 PM Tom_L: mmm, mine were those cheap ardweenie DBDT though
05:14 PM Tom_L: pretty sure you need DP for it
05:14 PM Tom_L: the center could be to the motor
05:15 PM Tom_L: with each leg opposite polarity
05:15 PM Tom_L: you would certainly want them to switch together :)
05:15 PM JT-Shop: yea looking for some ardweenie DP relays
05:15 PM Tom_L: SP would work
05:15 PM Tom_L: 2x
05:16 PM tumdedum_ is now known as tumdedum
05:16 PM JT-Shop: 4x SP will work
05:17 PM Tom_L: i think 2x would... but i didn't draw a diagram
05:17 PM Tom_L: centers to the motor
05:17 PM LeelooMinai: I just did: http://i.imgur.com/qnnalcv.png
05:17 PM Tom_L: are they DT?
05:17 PM Tom_L: or ST?
05:17 PM LeelooMinai: Now, this is potentially deadly though:)
05:17 PM Tom_L: ST wouldn't work
05:17 PM Tom_L: 2x SPDT would
05:17 PM LeelooMinai: If one of the switches switches first, you will get a short, so, fail:)
05:18 PM Tom_L: we live dangerously
05:18 PM DaViruz: Loetmichel_: seems it would just connect both motor terminals to the same polarity?
05:18 PM LeelooMinai: Well, short over the motor - maybe that's not that deadly, but still.
05:18 PM DaViruz: that would be pretty undramatic
05:19 PM DaViruz: LeelooMinai even.
05:19 PM Tom_L: yeah i think that would be correct
05:19 PM Tom_L: the only short that could happen would energise the motor
05:20 PM LeelooMinai: RIght, unless you get some inductive voltagesd developing there - I don't know, I would use a relay that assures that you don't get shorts.
05:21 PM DaViruz: oh. yeah if it switched during motor rotation it would form a pretty unrestricted brake.. :)
05:22 PM DaViruz: but even if they both switched in that condition it would be worse still
05:29 PM Crom: there cut my 500mm which was 495mm from fleabay to 240mm long each side and dressed. Now to wait for my taps with drills to show up...
05:31 PM Crom: the 12mm l;inear shaft
05:34 PM Crom: now I have to turn my ball screw... and I have enough I can cut off a piece for the bearing to live on while I'm working on it
05:41 PM Crom: so if you need 500mm of rail order 600mm
05:43 PM Loetmichel_: LeelooMinai: thats the correct way to do a DC motor reverse
05:44 PM Crom: time to play on the lathe again...
05:45 PM Loetmichel_: LeelooMinai: no, youi dont get a (PSU) short if you switch only one of the two switches. you can actually do "rotate left" "Stop(breaking)" "rotate right" "Stop(breaking)" with the circuit in the picture
05:45 PM LeelooMinai: I just draw it from the logical point of view, but I don't know how they do this properly - if there are some protection diodes used maybe, or things like that.
05:45 PM Loetmichel_: DaViruz: it would stop pretty instantly
05:46 PM Loetmichel_: LeelooMinai: shorting the motor just results in a RAPID stop.
05:48 PM Loetmichel_: (i have seen chucks from battery drills that to it that way go flying. just because the securing bolt inside was missing. the inertia the chuck had was enough to unscrew itself when the battery drill motor/shaft instantly stopped ;)
05:48 PM Loetmichel_: s/to/do
05:49 PM LeelooMinai: Sounds like a good weapon prototype.
05:51 PM LeelooMinai: But instead of recoil you would have re-torque.
06:00 PM LeelooMinai: I am watching robot wars, and if they happen to have polycarbonate shield, they always say it's bullet proof - I don't think 6mm sheet like that can stop any bullet:)
06:02 PM Crom: bullet proof glass... 1/16" glass 1/2" in Polycabonate, 1/4" glass, 1/2" Poly Carbonate, 1/16" glass
06:02 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I know, they are laminates. I think they are just saying it because it sound nice on TV.
06:05 PM jdh: they also say 'point blank' a lot
06:10 PM SpeedEvil: Bullets vary
06:12 PM Crom: hmm .22 cb might be stopped point blank.. maybe .22 short out of a 2" barrel revolver..
06:12 PM LeelooMinai: "birdshot-proof"
06:14 PM LeelooMinai: I have noticed that the more the contestants talk about things they put into those robots, the faster they seem to die:p
06:15 PM Crom: at 15 yards low base 12 guage with birdshot doesn't penetrate 2 layers of denim
06:16 PM Crom: leaves some not welts though
06:16 PM Crom: s/not/nice/
07:07 PM andypugh: Test-fitted the harmonic drive into the cast bracket. Looks good so far. https://goo.gl/photos/LAR6EJemFWy1UA2W8
07:33 PM LeelooMinai: Circular saw + tiny aluminum stock = burnt fingers:)
07:40 PM Jymmm: LeelooMinai: in yur bedroom?
07:41 PM LeelooMinai: No, the table saw is in the basement - one needs to fraw a line sowewhere...
07:41 PM LeelooMinai: draw*
08:03 PM Crom: hmm
08:04 PM Crom: table saw is in the garage with laser cutters stacked on it
08:44 PM zeeshan: andypugh fancy.
08:52 PM XXCoder: nice, an
08:52 PM XXCoder: ah left
09:00 PM TurBoss: XXCoder : how did you print go?
09:00 PM XXCoder: failed sadly
09:00 PM TurBoss: :(
09:00 PM XXCoder: not enough cooling
09:00 PM TurBoss: 3d print seems dificult
09:01 PM XXCoder: well
09:01 PM XXCoder: I'm not super awesome on fixing printer so it takes a while. lazy doesnt help lol
09:01 PM TurBoss: :D
09:02 PM TurBoss: I just noticed that i have 69Gb of midi
09:02 PM TurBoss: I'm goin to make a midi radio ( if I can)
09:09 PM LeelooMinai: If anyone is bored, nice Haas tour bt NYCCNC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVEPZ4JYDmc
09:09 PM XXCoder: looking
09:10 PM XXCoder: cnc machines making cnc machines
09:14 PM LeelooMinai: lol @ the containers for chips
09:14 PM XXCoder: what time?
09:14 PM LeelooMinai: Around 8:00
09:14 PM XXCoder: I had to pause and click random times because of its roving camera making me sick
09:15 PM LeelooMinai: 7:40
09:16 PM Devilhol1 is now known as Devilholk
09:16 PM XXCoder: wow
09:16 PM XXCoder: must be huge place
09:16 PM XXCoder: shop I work at is fairly large
09:16 PM XXCoder: but we send off alum chips bin maybe each few days
09:16 PM XXCoder: and more solid metals like cutoffs so on each few weeks
09:19 PM LeelooMinai: Seems all those machines have a cast core/base/whatever it is, and the rest is built on top of that.
09:20 PM XXCoder: yeah nothing harder and stronger than cast iron
09:20 PM LeelooMinai: I wonder what the smalles Hass costs.
09:20 PM XXCoder: (while keeping cheap)
09:20 PM LeelooMinai: or Haas
09:20 PM XXCoder: the office mill I run at work, HAAS Office Max, is $50,000 ot so
09:21 PM LeelooMinai: So Tormach is like baby-CNC maker compared to them? :)
09:26 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, that was scary - concentratiion of expensive machining parts per square meter - level 10.
09:26 PM XXCoder: I'd say so yeah lol
09:27 PM XXCoder: its surpising to me that chinese dont really sell really el cheapo cnc mills like they do with cnc routers.
09:27 PM LeelooMinai: well, rounters are relatively light I guess, or can be.
09:27 PM XXCoder: theres $200 cnc roputers now lol
09:27 PM XXCoder: not very good but there it is.
09:28 PM LeelooMinai: There was someone here few days ago that had $6k or so Chinese mill.
09:28 PM XXCoder: yep
09:28 PM XXCoder: 6k is pretty large
09:28 PM LeelooMinai: So you can buy them, but this is in Tormach range already.
09:28 PM XXCoder: $10,000 for more than 4x8' workspace router
09:29 PM XXCoder: question of quality vs workspace
09:29 PM LeelooMinai: At that size I would start working on some hovercraft-like solution, instead of rails:)
09:30 PM LeelooMinai: Crawling routing head or something.
09:30 PM Jymmm: LeelooMinai: and a bigger bedroom
09:31 PM LeelooMinai: Tomorrow I will get the last piece before my first milling - too bad I just forgot what it is called.
09:31 PM LeelooMinai: Er, those flat bars
09:31 PM roycroft: i made a lifting hook for the lathe today, and tested it
09:31 PM XXCoder: flat version of SBR
09:31 PM roycroft: the lathe balance perfectly
09:31 PM LeelooMinai: Parallels - damn, confusing name,
09:31 PM XXCoder: forgot what its called too
09:32 PM XXCoder: roycroft: nice
09:32 PM Jymmm: parallels?
09:32 PM roycroft: my engine hoist legs stick up 7-3/8" high
09:32 PM XXCoder: ah those small square metal for holding part above vise bottom eh
09:32 PM roycroft: i raised the stand as high as it would go with the leg levelers
09:32 PM roycroft: and i have 7-1/2" of clearance
09:32 PM roycroft: talk about cutting it close :)
09:32 PM LeelooMinai: Jymmm: Right, they call "parallels" matched flat bars you put between jaws to support the workipiece.
09:32 PM XXCoder: yeah use those a lot at work
09:33 PM roycroft: so i'm ready to move it now, but i have a friend who can come over on tuesday, and i think i'd rather have a helper
09:33 PM Crom: EGR HGR rails
09:33 PM Jymmm: https://www.harborfreight.com/20-piece-parallel-set-789.html
09:33 PM roycroft: they're called parallels, because the two long sides are perfectly parallel to each other, within 0.001" or so usually
09:34 PM roycroft: and each pair is the same height to within that same tolerance
09:34 PM roycroft: the better ones are parallel to 0.0005" or better
09:34 PM XXCoder: I wonder how close can harbor ones can be
09:34 PM LeelooMinai: Jymmm: Right, about what I got I guess:) https://www.amazon.ca/Accusize-Thickness-Precision-Parallel-EG10-1400/dp/B00HYKO7MQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494813838&sr=8-1&keywords=parallel+set
09:35 PM LeelooMinai: Well, they claim 2/10 mil parallalism and 1/10 height - I guess that's not too bad on paper at least.
09:35 PM roycroft: so my lathe has a vee way and a flat way for the carriage, and another vee way and flat way for the tail stock, which is pretty normal
09:35 PM LeelooMinai: 2.5 microns
09:35 PM XXCoder: if work had grinder I could have reground em lol
09:35 PM roycroft: when i level it, i'm thinking i should set some 1-2-3 blocks on the two flats and set the level on them
09:35 PM roycroft: is that right?
09:35 PM roycroft: i don't think i should count on the flats of the vee ways being the same height
09:36 PM XXCoder: you have a way to use dial indication to test that?
09:36 PM roycroft: height is irrelevant, as long as they're both the same height
09:36 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I just realized that to put an indicator on the surface plate I can just use magnetic holder and attach it to the 1-2-3block.
09:37 PM XXCoder: yeah that'd work
09:37 PM XXCoder: and can just say 123 block
09:37 PM LeelooMinai: Or if I had, I don't know, one of those 5-something blocks, that would be even better.
09:37 PM XXCoder: work also has 248 blocks lol i want one of em just to display it but so dang expensibve
09:37 PM roycroft: usually parallel pairs are ground together
09:37 PM XXCoder: err 246
09:38 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I imagine they would grind them in pairs.
09:39 PM LeelooMinai: Heh, 123 blocks: $19, 246 ones - $123
09:40 PM roycroft: b&s 123 blocks will be pricy
09:40 PM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/Brown-Sharpe-599-750-10-1-2-3-Blocks/dp/B0006J3C3C
09:40 PM roycroft: $87.99
09:40 PM roycroft: but shipping is free!
09:40 PM LeelooMinai: Anything that has two names and an appersand in between will be pricey from what I have observed:)
09:41 PM roycroft: b&s will be 1.0000x2.0000x3.0000
09:41 PM SpeedEvil: LeelooMinai: m&m
09:41 PM roycroft: m&m are dead to me
09:41 PM LeelooMinai: SpeedEvil: But those are not names...
09:41 PM roycroft: every since they addec blue ones
09:41 PM LeelooMinai: I think
09:41 PM roycroft: added
09:41 PM XXCoder: brown and sharpe isnt they crap now?
09:42 PM SpeedEvil: They're abbreviatios for ames
09:42 PM roycroft: b&s are still good
09:42 PM roycroft: i think they make some of their stuff overseas now, but almost every one does
09:42 PM roycroft: even starrett offshore some of their parts
09:43 PM roycroft: fowler is my go-to for better than no-name quality but not top-name price
09:43 PM XXCoder: mines mostly mitoyo. my dial indictor is starret and mitoyo. I use mitoyo one more often but like starret one more.
09:43 PM XXCoder: mit one is top dial type so I can use C holder
09:44 PM roycroft: i dropped my starrett dial indicator a few years ago :(
09:44 PM roycroft: i still haven't sent it in for repair
09:44 PM roycroft: they said it will cost $66 to repair
09:44 PM roycroft: i need to do that
09:45 PM CaptHindsight: before it's $88 to repair
09:45 PM roycroft: it probably is by now
09:45 PM roycroft: but still worth it
09:45 PM XXCoder: I dropped my mitoyo caliper, thankfully it still passes muster but I'm thinking order another one ND RETIRING IT
09:45 PM XXCoder: oops caps
09:45 PM roycroft: i don't trust a precision tool after i've dropped it
09:45 PM roycroft: i've dropped two machinist's squares over the years
09:45 PM XXCoder: yeah i checked it over with precision blocks and rods
09:45 PM roycroft: they instantly became woodworking squares
09:46 PM roycroft: and i've dropped that dial indicator
09:46 PM LeelooMinai: I just saw some news that China and Russia went ahead with some large economic initiative: http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/13/asia/china-belt-and-road-forum-xi-putin-erdogan/index.html
09:46 PM roycroft: i don't think i've ever dropped anything else that's precision
09:46 PM LeelooMinai: So, "designed in China, made in US" not far away? :)
09:46 PM roycroft: the dial indicator seems to work ok, but the needle is not at the 12 o'clock position when it's zeroed any more
09:46 PM roycroft: it's more like at 3:30
09:47 PM roycroft: but i just don't trust it, even though that's an easy work-around
09:47 PM XXCoder: yeah something might be bent internally
09:47 PM roycroft: i'd rather spend $66 and have starrett look at it and recertify it
09:47 PM XXCoder: so .001" really is .0009
09:47 PM * roycroft heads to market
09:48 PM XXCoder: putin is pretty short
09:48 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, this would work nice for an indicator base too - even has a counterweight side: https://www.amazon.ca/Accusize-Precision-Angle-Plate-2200-0901/dp/B01AO35XGS/ref=sr_1_20?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1494814150&sr=1-20&keywords=accusize+block
09:49 PM LeelooMinai: Used for something else, but still.
09:49 PM XXCoder: looks nice for that use I'd think
09:49 PM LeelooMinai: Cheaper than one of those height gauges.
09:50 PM LeelooMinai: I guess this can even work without a surface plate for small parts - just put the base at the top.
10:01 PM SpeedEvil: roycroft: standards are nice - gage blocks to check after drops :)
10:03 PM XXCoder: SpeedEvil: indeed!
10:05 PM SpeedEvil: I got a set of old russian ones from ebay, which seem fine
10:06 PM XXCoder: the complete gauge blocks set? 2 of em?
10:06 PM roycroft: i have a set of gage blocks
10:06 PM LeelooMinai: Or those: https://www.amazon.ca/Accusize-Steel-Space-Fitted-EC04-7001/dp/B00HQI7GO2/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=A32NIDEAQZYLTL
10:06 PM SpeedEvil: (they match the calibration on my dodgy mitutoyo calipers, and add appropriately
10:06 PM LeelooMinai: Cheap, but only 1/10th accuract
10:06 PM roycroft: i just haven't checked out the dial indicator against them
10:06 PM SpeedEvil: yes, like that
10:07 PM roycroft: i keep the gage blocks inside my house
10:07 PM XXCoder: im not sure how to test dial indictor on it
10:07 PM roycroft: even though they have machine oil on them
10:07 PM SpeedEvil: Indeed.
10:07 PM roycroft: i don't want to risk any corrosion
10:07 PM roycroft: and i do clean the oil off before i wring them up
10:07 PM roycroft: and then reoil when i'm done
10:07 PM roycroft: i also don't handle them with my bare hands
10:07 PM roycroft: the acid in skin oil can cause corrosion
10:08 PM SpeedEvil: Ceramic blocks are great.
10:08 PM SpeedEvil: (but I can't afford them)
10:08 PM SpeedEvil: Or SS
10:08 PM roycroft: i don't use them often
10:08 PM XXCoder: work is all ss
10:08 PM roycroft: in fact, most of them are still in their original wrappers
10:08 PM roycroft: but when it's time to pull them out, i do not want any surprises
10:09 PM LeelooMinai: Heh, that's pretty cheap: https://www.amazon.ca/Accusize-0-011-0-060-Steel-Fitted/dp/B00UCG993Q/ref=pd_bxgy_469_img_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=SJQ0124T8W7P7NFBSM2J
10:09 PM XXCoder: yeah pins is very nice to have
10:09 PM XXCoder: I use em all the time at work
10:12 PM SpeedEvil: neat
10:13 PM XXCoder: 279 cdn for all sizes
10:13 PM XXCoder: .011" all way to inch
10:13 PM XXCoder: err half inch
10:14 PM XXCoder: .251 - .5 being most expensive
10:16 PM LeelooMinai: Kind of weird to have a set of pins in 1 mil steps...
10:17 PM XXCoder: bunch of parts at work has tiny holes for some reason
10:17 PM XXCoder: those are needed to check that holes
10:24 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dirtygal-Digital-Electronic-Vernier-Micrometer/dp/B00W4Z7A3O - really?
10:26 PM XXCoder: I guess its great for corrosive envorment
10:26 PM XXCoder: and 3 bucks is cheap enough you could replace it each month lol
10:27 PM SpeedEvil: the name amused
10:28 PM XXCoder: yeah
10:28 PM XXCoder: that one i wouldnt trust be in same toolbox as my others lol
10:28 PM XXCoder: reviews isnt too bad surpising
10:37 PM XXCoder: "Having serious doubts about it's accuracy. Will double check but so far this little chinise plastic thing does not earn trust. Avoid if you have to do serious measurments."
10:37 PM XXCoder: oh really, $3 not too accurate? what a surpise
10:38 PM TurBoss: :D
10:38 PM XXCoder: more worthy of one star: "This has to be the worst electronic device I've ever purchased - despite being digital when you try and measure anything the display flashes and flicers with the numbers changing all the time so you have no idea what the actual measurements really are, far more accurate using a tape measure or pierce of string"
10:38 PM XXCoder: gthat person may have gotten bad one
10:38 PM TurBoss: "or pierce of string"
10:39 PM TurBoss: sure
10:39 PM XXCoder: string is more accurate than number of handspans :P
10:39 PM SpeedEvil: Anniepoo_: battery contacts are a common issue
10:39 PM SpeedEvil: XXCoder:
10:39 PM XXCoder: hmm yeah that'd mess with it
10:39 PM LeelooMinai: Or be a little nuts - I sometimes see reviews like - "I found out after ordering it, that I need a bigger size - 1 star"
10:40 PM XXCoder: lee thats one of worse kinds
10:40 PM XXCoder: good 3 star review: "Works great but whenever you slide the caliper back, your thumb is prone to sliding the battery cover off as it is situated on the front RH side of the LCD."
10:40 PM XXCoder: thats definite flaw
10:42 PM LeelooMinai: "This callipers worked great at first, but after using them to toghten some water pipes, they developed som play - NOT RECOMMENDED"
10:42 PM XXCoder: "plastic and cheap feeling" well its $3 sir. :P
10:42 PM XXCoder: its cheaper than hamburger
10:45 PM SpeedEvil: Not always.
10:45 PM SpeedEvil: But then those were recalled for having potential horse.
10:46 PM XXCoder: im still not sure whats wrong with horse meat, besides it being included without revealing
10:46 PM SpeedEvil: Me neither.
10:47 PM SpeedEvil: I like horses.
10:47 PM SpeedEvil: But then I like pigs too
10:47 PM XXCoder: yeah
10:48 PM LeelooMinai: Another Robot Wars lol - guys who put $10k into their robots and then they are hit by some hammer on top of some contraption made from tubes in the garage and cannot repair for next round because they made the frame from parts that are unrepairable:p
10:48 PM SpeedEvil: hah
10:49 PM dioz: anyone here familliar with the term "air bending" ?
10:49 PM dioz: first to answer gets a cookie!
10:50 PM LeelooMinai: I know there was a movie called The Last Airbender...
10:50 PM XXCoder: movie ugh
10:50 PM XXCoder: aang
10:50 PM jesseg: I'm all full. Just had a liver burrito, have to wait for later
10:50 PM jesseg: to have a cookie
10:50 PM dioz: anyone know shop method for determining which size v die i need in my hydraulic press prake?
10:51 PM dioz: or the difference between air bending and coiling?
10:51 PM dioz: coining
10:51 PM dioz: not coiling
10:51 PM dioz: can someone please tell me what "k" factors are?
10:53 PM LeelooMinai: I know there was a TV series called X-factor
10:54 PM dioz: i'd say the difference between a 70%er and a high 80%er is about 15 to 20 percent
10:54 PM dioz: you don't wanna be 70% do you?
10:54 PM dioz: tell me about the crucible
10:55 PM dioz: tell me about empirical bend allowances!
10:57 PM dioz: fuck. so cbc radio one has been going on and on about the "lates bout of ransonware" telling people "when you go to work you should check and make sure you have latest/greatest updates, make backups, yadayada"
10:57 PM XXCoder: you got tagged with that malware?
10:57 PM dioz: i'm like... isn't that what the IT dept. does?
10:57 PM XXCoder: and yeah its bad enough that microsoft actually made a uypdate for xp, for first time since years ago
10:58 PM dioz: yah total lulz imo
10:58 PM roycroft: it's workplaces without an it department that are generally most vulnerable
10:58 PM roycroft: the notable exception being hospitals
10:59 PM dioz: yah idk... the way i see it is a lot of data is offloaded now days...
10:59 PM dioz: lets assume a data center gets ransomed
10:59 PM dioz: they have a bunch of customers
10:59 PM roycroft: we're a 100% not windows shop
11:00 PM dioz: i am 100% not windows
11:00 PM LeelooMinai: Baserment?
11:00 PM dioz: others aren't
11:00 PM XXCoder: I am currently 0% windows
11:00 PM roycroft: it's a good idea to do backups to a different platform
11:00 PM XXCoder: beos it is then
11:00 PM roycroft: no matter what os you use
11:00 PM LeelooMinai: Temple OS:)
11:01 PM * roycroft backs up the openbsd machines to linux backup servers, and vice versa
11:02 PM XXCoder: QNX OS lol
11:02 PM dioz: OpenBSD eve8.emopart.com 6.1 GENERIC#18 amd64
11:02 PM XXCoder: there used to be qnx demo floppy disk
11:02 PM XXCoder: damn complete os consodering floppy disk size.
11:02 PM XXCoder: even has games
11:02 PM dioz: i also have a hurd vm running as well as kfreebsd
11:02 PM dioz: solaris 11 too actually
11:03 PM roycroft: you have a hypervisor running on a cray?
11:03 PM roycroft: or do you not mind waiting a week to be able to log in to the hurd vm? :)
11:04 PM dioz: proxmox host on a i3
11:04 PM dioz: using kvm for hurd
11:04 PM dioz: works fine
11:04 PM dioz: solaris is a beast though. needs at least a gig of ram to install
11:05 PM dioz: i think it's cause of zfs
11:05 PM roycroft: zfs does love teh ram
11:05 PM roycroft: my media server at home is running freenas
11:05 PM roycroft: i have 48GB of ram in that machine
11:05 PM dioz: gimme a shell ;)
11:05 PM LeelooMinai: I see you are all from The department of Weird OSes:)
11:05 PM dioz: gimme a jail!
11:06 PM roycroft: we're from the department of useful oses :)
11:06 PM XXCoder: mines borinbg xfce mint
11:06 PM roycroft: i run an isp, leeloominai
11:06 PM roycroft: and i've been using unix since 1977
11:06 PM dioz: i <3 debian
11:07 PM roycroft: i never got interested in windows
11:07 PM LeelooMinai: I have Win 10 for desktop and Debian for "server" and well, one for linuxcnc too.
11:07 PM dioz: i wanna get a debain tattoo on the small of my back
11:07 PM dioz: so people know
11:07 PM roycroft: it's just too difficult and weird for me to be able to deal with
11:07 PM dioz: how much i <3
11:08 PM roycroft: the day you get your debian tattoo there will be a huge internal scuffle, the project will be abandoned, and the developers will split off and create a bunch of forks
11:08 PM dioz: there will be some remote backdoor
11:08 PM dioz: for years
11:08 PM dioz: and it'll get a bad rep
11:08 PM roycroft: because opensource and personalities
11:08 PM dioz: yah
11:08 PM dioz: i hear you
11:08 PM dioz: feds
11:09 PM dioz: it's why ian was murdered
11:09 PM roycroft: my noga indicator holder is supposed to arrive on friday
11:09 PM dioz: anyone pro at atick welding?
11:09 PM LeelooMinai: Or you get a Debian Tatoo and the Scientology Church will buy it out and it will become synonymous with their worshippers.
11:09 PM dioz: how do i control my pool going downhill?
11:10 PM dioz: is it all a matter of heat?
11:10 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Cannot you just put it on a flat ground?
11:10 PM * roycroft hasn't stick welded in aeons, but finds mig welding is easier for him going uphill than downhill
11:11 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: i'mma assume you ain't never really done much labour ;)
11:11 PM dioz: inbd tho
11:11 PM dioz: LeelooMinai: you ever weld uphill?
11:11 PM dioz: how about on the very bottom of a pipe?
11:11 PM dioz: how do you stop it from dripping on you?
11:11 PM dioz: ouch!
11:12 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: Well, does doing 50 MTB marathons in mountains count as labour? :)
11:12 PM dioz: i ride 20" and can fakey nbd
11:12 PM dioz: bring on the mountainbikes
11:13 PM dioz: i don't ride as much as i used to though... getting hurt sucks when you rely on your body for work
11:13 PM dioz: i don't bounce like i used to when i was younger
11:14 PM dioz: same w/ drinkin... can't drink till 4am ready for work at 6
11:14 PM LeelooMinai: Sounds like a pretty bad plan anyways:)
11:15 PM dioz: *shrug* pipeline was always a good time.
11:16 PM dioz: bunch of guys with "huge hammers". basically turned into a pissing competition.
11:16 PM dioz: who could swing the hammer the hardest, who could buck pipe the fastest.
11:17 PM LeelooMinai: That sounds more like blacksmith convention than biking...
11:18 PM roycroft: i took the motor and all the electrics off my lathe today
11:18 PM dioz: cleaning?
11:18 PM roycroft: also the tail stock, compound, and cross
11:18 PM roycroft: i'm getting ready to mount it on the stand
11:18 PM roycroft: and wanted it to balance better
11:18 PM roycroft: but yes, i am also going to clean it before reassembling it
11:19 PM roycroft: it lifts up perfectly balanced now
11:19 PM roycroft: i'm cleaning 35 years of grime off of it
11:19 PM dioz: hah
11:19 PM dioz: idk what you mean.
11:20 PM dioz: you're putting it on a different stand?
11:20 PM roycroft: it's probably going to be another couple weeks before i actually start setting it up
11:20 PM roycroft: it did not come with a stand
11:20 PM roycroft: so i built one
11:20 PM dioz: what was it sitting on before?
11:20 PM roycroft: some cribbing
11:20 PM roycroft: i just bought it
11:20 PM dioz: gotcha
11:20 PM roycroft: about a month ago
11:20 PM roycroft: and it's been sitting on cribbing just inside my garage door
11:20 PM dioz: you run it yet?
11:21 PM roycroft: which is exactly where my brew stand needs to be to make beer
11:21 PM roycroft: so it needed to move :)
11:21 PM roycroft: yes, i've run it
11:21 PM XXCoder: interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQdn_TvryeE
11:21 PM roycroft: it will be fine
11:21 PM dioz: how much was it?
11:21 PM dioz: hah!
11:21 PM dioz: jk
11:21 PM roycroft: $400 :)
11:21 PM dioz: how many hp?
11:21 PM dioz: metal lathe?
11:21 PM roycroft: 2hp
11:21 PM roycroft: 12x36
11:21 PM roycroft: http://www.roycroft.us/Jet1236PY/
11:21 PM dioz: oh sweet
11:22 PM roycroft: it's a school shop lathe :(
11:22 PM dioz: jelly
11:22 PM roycroft: the worst kind
11:22 PM roycroft: but cheap
11:22 PM dioz: school shop stuff... worst thing is it might not be true cause of apprentices
11:22 PM dioz: apprentices are hard on shit.
11:22 PM roycroft: it's been crashed a time or few
11:22 PM roycroft: but the spindle is tight
11:23 PM roycroft: i cannot measure any runout
11:23 PM dioz: all that matters then
11:23 PM roycroft: everything else can be fixed easily
11:23 PM dioz: the rest you can fix
11:23 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: Some are pretty awsome:)
11:23 PM XXCoder: yeah
11:23 PM dioz: i'm jelly
11:23 PM roycroft: i'm happy with the purchase
11:23 PM roycroft: i did not want anything smaller
11:23 PM XXCoder: the hammer and magnet is annoying, its shown twice so far. and third method using rubber band
11:24 PM roycroft: i'd prefer a camlock spindle, but i can live with a threaded spindle
11:24 PM XXCoder: tgenderizing using fork and hammer
11:24 PM dioz: you get any tooling with it?
11:24 PM roycroft: one of those british style spindles, with the taper and the locking ring would be ok
11:24 PM roycroft: no
11:24 PM roycroft: but i have some tooling
11:24 PM roycroft: i bought a qctp
11:24 PM roycroft: no 4-jaw with it
11:25 PM roycroft: and it's an odd spindle size, so when i get a 4-jaw i'll have to make a backing plate for it
11:25 PM roycroft: i figure that will be a nice challenge
11:25 PM dioz: yah fuck... i been watching the local forsales for almost a year now
11:26 PM roycroft: i was watching for a couple years
11:26 PM roycroft: there's been a number of good candidates
11:26 PM roycroft: but i was always the second respondent
11:26 PM roycroft: i was the first one for this lathe
11:26 PM roycroft: the guy was asking $750, and i offered $600 and he was fine with that
11:27 PM roycroft: then i showed up to get it and saw that it had been crashed
11:27 PM roycroft: and i was about to walk but then he said he'd take $400
11:27 PM roycroft: and i figured it was worth a gamble
11:27 PM dioz: weird
11:27 PM dioz: was he a teacher?
11:27 PM roycroft: no
11:27 PM dioz: kind of a crazy story imo
11:27 PM roycroft: he and his brother bought two of them at a school auction
11:27 PM roycroft: they kept the good one
11:28 PM roycroft: they probably paid $400 for both of them
11:28 PM dioz: hah
11:28 PM dioz: yah
11:28 PM roycroft: i'm fine with that
11:28 PM roycroft: i don't care what someone else paid for it
11:28 PM roycroft: i care if the deal i got is good
11:28 PM dioz: yah
11:28 PM dioz: i feel you
11:28 PM roycroft: belt drive could be somewhat annoying
11:28 PM XXCoder: yeah
11:28 PM roycroft: but i'm probably going to toss a 3-phase motor on it and use a vfd
11:29 PM roycroft: then i'll only need to deal with the back gear
11:29 PM roycroft: which is awesome
11:29 PM dioz: naaw. just takes a bit of time if you need to change speeds/power
11:29 PM XXCoder: if I pay $500 for something worthj $5000 and decent condition, I dont really care if seller got it for $100
11:29 PM roycroft: without the back grear it would be hard to get full torque at low speeds with the vfd
11:29 PM dioz: yah
11:29 PM roycroft: and engaging the back gear is easy, and does not involve belt changes
11:29 PM dioz: but i do 't see that being a big deal
11:30 PM dioz: i'd still get belt
11:30 PM dioz: don't
11:31 PM roycroft: when i make the backing plate for the 4 jaw i'll need to turn an internal 8tpi thread f
11:31 PM dioz: f
11:31 PM roycroft: s/f//
11:31 PM roycroft: so slow speed will be important right away for me
11:31 PM dioz: oooh. i see what you're saying
11:32 PM dioz: you already got a line up on tooling?
11:32 PM roycroft: i bought a boring bar for that job
11:32 PM roycroft: and a big boring bar holder for my qctp
11:32 PM roycroft: it's a 1" bar
11:32 PM roycroft: i have about 50 brand new 5/16" hss tool blanks
11:32 PM dioz: you seen those vids of people lathing rebar?
11:33 PM roycroft: no
11:33 PM XXCoder: di yeah saw one
11:33 PM XXCoder: quality is so bad
11:33 PM XXCoder: you can see drill drilling into it flex a little as it hits random hardness inside it
11:34 PM dioz: yah. no mill certs
11:34 PM dioz: for rebar
11:34 PM roycroft: i would not want to turn rebar
11:34 PM roycroft: seems a pretty pointless thing to be doing
11:34 PM dioz: i'd do it
11:34 PM roycroft: rebar lives inside concrete
11:34 PM roycroft: it does not need to be pretty
11:34 PM roycroft: the concrete won't care
11:34 PM dioz: i'd do it for RC parts
11:34 PM dioz: remote control car
11:35 PM roycroft: i also need a steady rest and follow rest for the lathe
11:36 PM roycroft: i could make them, but grizzly still have some for their 12x37, wich is essentially the same thing as my jet
11:36 PM dioz: you got a board plainer?
11:36 PM roycroft: i already ordered a bunch of parts from grizzly for it
11:36 PM roycroft: yes
11:36 PM roycroft: i have a pretty complete wood shop
11:36 PM dioz: what kind? if you don:tn't mind me asking
11:36 PM roycroft: one of the reasons for getting this lathe was so i can make camlock clamps for some woodworking jigs
11:37 PM roycroft: i have a 15" grizzly planer with a spiral head
11:37 PM dioz: what would you get for a plainer right now from a box store?
11:37 PM dioz: 12 or 13 inch
11:37 PM roycroft: http://www.grizzly.com/products/15-3-HP-240V-Planer-with-Spiral-Cutterhead/G0453Z
11:37 PM roycroft: ths one
11:37 PM dioz: how much?
11:37 PM roycroft: for a portable one i used to have a dewalt
11:37 PM roycroft: i also had a delta a long time ago
11:37 PM roycroft: i really like the dewalt
11:38 PM dioz: what do you have for a table saw setip?
11:38 PM roycroft: it's hard to avoid a little snipe on any portable planer
11:38 PM roycroft: but as long as you cut your boards 6" long you're fine
11:39 PM roycroft: i have a grizzly g1023
11:39 PM dioz: snipe is grooving longitudinaly?
11:39 PM roycroft: their cabinet saw
11:39 PM roycroft: it's where the very end of the board gets cut too deep
11:39 PM dioz: or pre-grab
11:39 PM dioz: aah yah
11:39 PM dioz: make extending tables
11:39 PM roycroft: it gets sucked up into the blades before the outfeed roller pushes it back down
11:40 PM dioz: oooh.. i see what you meab
11:40 PM dioz: yah i seen that
11:40 PM dioz: run then so they warp up
11:40 PM roycroft: http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-3-HP-240V-Cabinet-Left-Tilting-Table-Saw/G1023RL
11:40 PM roycroft: the original version of that saw is what i have
11:40 PM roycroft: with a biesemeyer fence
11:41 PM dioz: did you make a bigger table for your table saw?
11:41 PM roycroft: i have a longer side table
11:42 PM dioz: fuck i'm drunk bud
11:42 PM roycroft: and my woodworking bench is on the outfeed side
11:42 PM roycroft: i have an outfeed table that sits on that for taking long boards
11:42 PM roycroft: my shop is very crowded
11:42 PM roycroft: everything is on wheels (except my metal lathe and mill/drill)
11:43 PM roycroft: it all needs to be able to move around for various operations
11:44 PM dioz: beer making operatiom is key though
11:44 PM dioz: fuck the rest
11:44 PM dioz: sell it last
11:44 PM Crom: What a freaking pain! Windows 10 my 17" laptop doesn't like talking to my TP Link WR1043ND, IT WILL talk to my WR740N and then that talks to the 1043....
11:44 PM dioz: crom. odds are windows installed atheros drivers
11:44 PM dioz: tbh
11:44 PM Crom: so one computer has it's OWN subnet off it's OWN router...
11:44 PM dioz: chwck your device manager
11:45 PM dioz: windows 10 always changes my wifi drivers to atheros and it's a tplink
11:45 PM Crom: this is hard wired
11:45 PM dioz: huh?
11:46 PM Crom: ethernet cable from laptop to router, ethernet cable from router to gateway router
11:46 PM dioz: well uah
11:46 PM dioz: yah
11:46 PM dioz: your router is layer3 device
11:46 PM dioz: it would give its own /24 more than likely
11:47 PM dioz: and your isp provided vpe also probably is layer 3
11:47 PM dioz: vpe=cpe
11:47 PM Crom: well it's working and can print... it's staying like it is..
11:47 PM dioz: anything connected to the isp "router" would be in a different subnet than your tplink router
11:47 PM Crom: I need to take a TB drive in there and back it up...
11:48 PM Crom: LEDE project (openwrt) on the gateway router
11:48 PM dioz: doesn't matter... we call it "router behind a router"
11:48 PM Crom: TPlink factory firmware on the 'router'
11:49 PM Crom: my other 2 routers are also running different versions of openwrt/LEDE
11:50 PM dioz: yah that's cool.
11:50 PM dioz: i got some ddwrt's acting as drones for wifi sniffing around my house
11:50 PM dioz: it helps with triangulatiom
11:50 PM dioz: i dabble with a lot of things
11:51 PM Crom: I trashed dd-wrt.. to freaking old
11:51 PM dioz: i'm jelly of roycroft though
11:51 PM * roycroft is enjoying a nice cup of tea and some shortbread biscuits
11:52 PM Crom: ohhh that's nice... scones and a cuppa
11:52 PM dioz: roycroft: you draft at all?
11:53 PM roycroft: draft?
11:53 PM roycroft: as in technical drawing?
11:53 PM dioz: art
11:53 PM roycroft: oh
11:53 PM roycroft: no
11:53 PM dioz: haj yah
11:53 PM dioz: technical drawongs
11:53 PM dioz: fml
11:54 PM dioz: check this out
11:54 PM dioz: it's a intersect for duct
11:54 PM dioz: one sec need to dump to imgur
11:54 PM roycroft: i do cad work
11:54 PM roycroft: autocad and solidworks are what i usually use
11:55 PM dioz: freecad?
11:57 PM dioz: https://m.imgur.com/gallery/oopyV
11:58 PM LeelooMinai: dioz: I can see how this is free cad, but man, pretty hardcore in 2017:)
11:58 PM dioz: hah!
11:59 PM dioz: make it then
11:59 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, but make what?