#linuxcnc Logs

May 11 2017

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:07 AM Cromaglious_: the touch probe? yeah it'a hunk of Plastic, with an AL slug, with a M6 bolt holding it down and clamping the untinned, wire
12:09 AM Cromaglious_: I'd have made one, but I didn't have any good plastic
12:09 AM Cromaglious_: I have PE, no HDPE or Bylon
12:09 AM Cromaglious_: Nylon
12:10 AM Cromaglious_: real good story
12:10 AM Crom: http://storiesonline.net/s/15604/the-reset-manifesto
12:46 AM Crom: what a waste of money... http://www.ebay.com/itm/122122968608
12:47 AM Crom: "PWM" is varying the resistance for the 555 timer... to input for external opwm signal... I'll have to look at it a bit to figure out a way...
12:48 AM Crom: Hmm 100k pot.. probably try a fast opto isolator....
12:53 AM Crom: 2 80NF70 mosfetts, LM317 Voltage regulator and a 1/2 wave rectifier
12:53 AM Crom: and the 555... some big caps for filtering and a medium for the R/C for the 555 and bunch of small ones for filtering
12:56 AM Gene_home: looking for recommendations for quality end mills at a reasonable price, Ive heard Hertel from mscdirect is a good choice
12:57 AM Crom: oh joy... fuse is only between power + and motor +...I've used up to 6mm fleabay and they are crap...
12:58 AM Gene_home: also looking for other options for spindle control, currently looking at https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KXEWB1O/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3U29IZ3PEDXGG
12:59 AM Crom: oops fuse also pretect circuit... sort of... 1/2 wave rectifier is to kill transiants
01:03 AM Crom: what motor are you driving?
01:04 AM Gene_home: 1100w motor
01:05 AM Crom: Brushed motor like on a G0704?
01:05 AM Gene_home:      1100 Watt BF30 Motor
01:05 AM Deejay: moin
01:06 AM Crom: Moin Deejay
01:06 AM Deejay: yo :)
01:06 AM Gene_home: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSnW0lfmKpc
01:07 AM Gene_home: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss8dM3b-IsA
01:07 AM Crom: not sure... what are the forums saying?
01:08 AM Gene_home: this is a good choice, but was looking for other opinions
01:12 AM Crom: I'm going to a A/C brushless 3 phase + VFD when I get a new spindle. I might be getting a power head and running a pulley system...
01:25 AM Gene_home: sounds like you have more cash to spend than I do
01:29 AM IchGucksLive: morning from Germany
01:30 AM IchGucksLive: Crom 3.5Kw
01:31 AM Crom: I bring in $534 a month from the VA and $350 from a grandma check a month... I can save about $50 to $100 a month...
01:32 AM IchGucksLive: do not spend that mutch on CNC
01:32 AM IchGucksLive: icecreem and burgers will smile your face also
01:35 AM IchGucksLive: Crom https://www.amazon.de/FurMune-Spindelmotor-Spindel-Luftk%C3%BChlung-INVERTER/dp/B015S80E5Y/ref=pd_sbs_201_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=MMCEB7HVF6SHD0ZHKHQY
01:37 AM Crom: now to figure out the usa link
01:38 AM IchGucksLive: on the seller name
01:39 AM IchGucksLive: search Amazon AIRCOOLED 3KW
01:40 AM Crom: found it on co.uk
01:40 AM IchGucksLive: amazon.com
01:41 AM Crom: https://www.amazon.com/Collet-Cooled-Spindle-Variable-Frequency/dp/B01L0G4X2I/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1494483033&sr=8-4-fkmr0&keywords=Furmune+Spindle+Motor+Air+Cooled+Motor
01:41 AM IchGucksLive: up to you
01:41 AM IchGucksLive: alie also got them and ofcause ebay
01:42 AM Crom: Says it's Taishi
01:42 AM IchGucksLive: but on 400USD in 3days delivery i wout go the save way
01:43 AM IchGucksLive: im off bye till later
01:43 AM Crom: rather have a ER25 or ER32... though a BT30 is even better...
01:48 AM Crom: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Taper-BT30-Spindle-Unit-Power-Head-7-24-3000-6000-8000rpm-Drawbar-for-Drill-Mill-/192134817806
01:48 AM Crom: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Taper-BT30-Spindle-Unit-Power-Head-7-24-3000-6000-8000rpm-Drawbar-for-Drill-Mill-/192134817806
01:52 AM Crom: it's capable of getting an Automatic Tool Changer added on...
01:52 AM Crom: or I could get the MT3, get it reground to R8 and go TTS style
02:04 AM Crom: regraind mt3 spindle for R8
02:07 AM archivist: I would not be regrinding new tapers
04:26 AM IchGucksLive: hi
04:26 AM IchGucksLive: crom still on
04:37 AM IchGucksLive: till later
05:20 AM XXCoder: booyaa
05:22 AM jthornton: morning
05:22 AM XXCoder: whats up
05:23 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop
05:23 AM Tom_L: feel like revisiting the bot a little?
05:23 AM jthornton: I can
05:23 AM Tom_L: read the -devel channel
05:23 AM XXCoder: lol that kinda looks like coy request for sex with bot :P
05:23 AM jthornton: flew the Tweaker 5" yesterday
05:25 AM jthornton: what am I looking for?
05:25 AM Tom_L: last night
05:26 AM jthornton: KGB-linuxcnc: Chris Edwards
05:26 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2017-05-10.html
05:26 AM Tom_L: at the bottom
05:27 AM Tom_L: i looked at the code a bit and went to sleep :D
05:28 AM jthornton: looks like the KGB is using some strange characters
05:28 AM XXCoder: code that boring eh
05:28 AM Tom_L: i'd like to just ignore the user
05:29 AM Tom_L: i don't think the other one is a 'user' trigger though
05:29 AM XXCoder: I think I remember kgb
05:29 AM XXCoder: he uses weird client that inserts formatting
05:29 AM XXCoder: nonstandard to irc
05:30 AM jthornton: you just want to not log KGB-linuxcnc
05:30 AM Tom_L: yes
05:30 AM XXCoder: or replace string
05:30 AM Tom_L: and the github comments
05:30 AM XXCoder: "kgb uses weirdass charactors, not lkogged"
05:30 AM Tom_L: =commitdiff;h=71566e2
05:30 AM Tom_L: -
05:31 AM Tom_L: -linuxcnc-github
05:31 AM Tom_L: the lines beginning with that
05:32 AM Tom_L: i figured your chickens were happy now, your esc is working again so you needed a new project :D
05:33 AM XXCoder: hey what about "get XXCoder rich" project?
05:33 AM archivist_herron: after I get rich!
05:33 AM Tom_L: greed. i'd be happy with break even
05:34 AM Tom_L: luckily the AC didn't burn the house down last night
05:34 AM XXCoder: what happened
05:34 AM Tom_L: a wire shorted while i was gone
05:34 AM XXCoder: ow
05:34 AM Tom_L: outside
05:35 AM jthornton: I need to set up a chicken light timer lol
05:35 AM Tom_L: oh yeah and i forgot about their trap door...
05:35 AM jthornton: and the chicken door too
05:36 AM Tom_L: well if you feel like it... it's not hurting anything as it is, just unneeded
05:40 AM jthornton: my guess is it's using control characters
05:41 AM XXCoder: what about just blacklist those charactors
05:42 AM jthornton: prob just strip them out of the text on the fly
07:14 AM jthornton: I might have to figure out how to use my atmega 328 chips for the chicken mansion, I can't seem to communicate with the nano clones anymore
07:16 AM XXCoder: musted caps?
07:16 AM XXCoder: *busted
07:16 AM XXCoder: some electrics is weird that if left alone long enough caps die lol
07:16 AM Jymmm: jthornton: what changed? New os? Did you reload the drivers?
07:17 AM XXCoder: any of you ever seen movie The Langoliers
07:17 AM XXCoder: got reminded of it today and watched part of it lol
07:17 AM Jymmm: XXCoder: it sounds familure
07:18 AM XXCoder: I always wondered what happened afterwards. after all, plane magically appeared, landed, on airport
07:18 AM XXCoder: and im sure they was on camera
07:18 AM XXCoder: but same time it was pre-9/11
07:18 AM Jymmm: XXCoder: I dont recall the moview, jus the name sounds familure.
07:18 AM jthornton: hmmm I might have a new os... if so I need to set up permissioons
07:18 AM XXCoder: Jymmm: essentally, plane takes off, red eye flight
07:19 AM XXCoder: people wake up and plane is mostly empty
07:19 AM jthornton: yea I've seen it
07:19 AM Jymmm: jthornton: I think you need to add your used to the wheel/serial group
07:19 AM XXCoder: stuff is left behind, including inside parts like pacemakers
07:19 AM Jymmm: user*
07:20 AM XXCoder: jthornton: so what ya think what happened after? heh
07:21 AM XXCoder: heyy just realized it, they left boy on plane. he missed the light show at end lol
07:21 AM XXCoder: he was hurt though
07:22 AM Jymmm: jthornton: "dialout" group? https://askubuntu.com/questions/58119/changing-permissions-on-serial-port
07:23 AM Jymmm: sudo usermod -a -G dialout usernamegoeshere
07:26 AM jthornton: ls -l /dev/ttyACM*
07:26 AM jthornton: ls: cannot access /dev/ttyACM*: No such file or directory
07:26 AM TurBoss: hello
07:26 AM Jymmm: XXCoder: https://imgur.com/gallery/wFt0z
07:26 AM TurBoss: have you relogged after setting the permissions?
07:27 AM XXCoder: funny how guy nods
07:27 AM Jymmm: read first comment
07:28 AM XXCoder: lol yep
07:29 AM jthornton: I think it is a problem with the serial chip, I can see a genuine uno as ttyACM0
07:30 AM Jymmm: jthornton: you said nanos , as in plural, are not working, which would tell me it's either perms and/or driver
07:33 AM Jymmm: or serial cable
07:33 AM Jymmm: err usb cable I mean
07:33 AM jthornton: neither one shows up in windblows as well
07:34 AM jthornton: read something about FTDI bricking the counterfeit chips when found by their driver
07:34 AM XXCoder: thats windows thing
07:34 AM Jymmm: jthornton: but that is the usb2ttl cable I believe
07:34 AM XXCoder: they undid it but bricked items are bricked unless you jtag it or somethinbg
07:35 AM jthornton: well I have two left to try lol
07:35 AM XXCoder: (removed the bricky stuff from ftdi)
07:35 AM Jymmm: jthornton: What chipset are you suppose to be using on your nanos?
07:35 AM jthornton: chipset?
07:35 AM Jymmm: jthornton: FTDI is not on nanos, but on USB2TTL cables
07:35 AM Jymmm: serial chip
07:36 AM Jymmm: my nanos are CHxxxx
07:37 AM Jymmm: http://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-Nano-CH340/
07:37 AM jthornton: CH340G
07:38 AM archivist: I have seen the fartuino interface get its knickers in a twist, need to find the right interface again
07:39 AM Jymmm: jthornton: what dictro version?
07:40 AM jthornton: linux mint 17.3
07:41 AM archivist: the gui forgets where things are
07:43 AM Jymmm: https://arduino.stackexchange.com/questions/36878/ubuntu-how-to-install-driver-for-ch340g
07:46 AM Jymmm: Not very useful, but mentions it should be in the kernel
07:59 AM Jymmm: jthornton: maybe try a different usb cable. Also, I'm going thru an externally powered usb hub, I found going theu the PC directly there may be too much power draw on the port.
08:01 AM Jymmm: jthornton: maybe try a different usb cable. Also, I'm going thru an externally powered usb hub, I found going theu the PC directly there may be too much power draw on the port.
08:27 AM JT-Shop: must have been a bad cable it just shows up in the device manager after a few seconds up here
08:29 AM Jymmm: JT-Shop: Eh, it happens. Glad you got it working.
08:29 AM Jymmm: And thus why public education sucks... the fucking teachers... https://parenting.stackexchange.com/questions/30013/the-teacher-erased-3-pages-of-my-5-year-olds-completed-homework
08:29 AM JT-Shop: yea was driving me nuts lol
08:30 AM JT-Shop: only a few bad ones get into the news... ask my sister
08:30 AM Jymmm: JT-Shop: It just seemed weird that multiple ones "didn't work", and if so didn't want you to blow another =)
08:31 AM Jymmm: JT-Shop: How so? you mean that the other bad ones go un noticed?
08:32 AM JT-Shop: no the good ones go unnoticed
08:33 AM Jymmm: Since it seemed like the prinicpal was just backing up the teacher, I would have been an ass with comething along the lines of "Did you know that all content is implied copyright, and she's guilty of destruction of intellectual property?" or some thing like that.
08:33 AM Jymmm: She couldn't have simply wrote "Please be neater next time"
08:34 AM JT-Shop: XXCoder: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:234675
08:35 AM Jymmm: And it's math, not engwich [SIP], why cares as long as it's accurate results and is legible.
08:35 AM Jymmm: who*
08:50 AM JT-Shop: yea I've uploaded blink to the nano
08:51 AM Jymmm: Did it work?
08:52 AM JT-Shop: aye
08:53 AM Jymmm: WOOHOO
08:53 AM Jymmm: I'd cut that usb cable in half and toss it.
08:53 AM Jymmm: they are too cheap to even waste asprin on the grief they cause
08:54 AM JT-Shop: I need a usb power cable so yea it gets the small end cut off
08:55 AM Jymmm: JT-Shop: Of course, then the bad connecton will be the other end. BUT... could it be a "charge only" cable, instead of a "data" cable? There are a LOT of those around too.
09:06 AM JT-Shop: wow I've even managed to install the latest version of arduino on linux mint
09:06 AM JT-Shop: even though the install.sh script was faulty
09:07 AM JT-Shop: yep nano shows up as ttyUSB0 here
09:09 AM JT-Shop: https://github.com/arduino/Arduino/pull/6110/files
09:25 AM Jymmm: JT-Shop: That's due to te fact that they (the two different arduino makers) have "kissed and made up" after all these years.
09:27 AM Jymmm: JT-Shop: did you need to make the change to the install script to get it to work?
09:30 AM TurBoss: udev rules?
09:30 AM JT-Shop: Jymmm: yea I just changed the install.sh
09:30 AM TurBoss: is that an arduino uno or other board?
09:30 AM JT-Shop: didn't have to touch the udev rules
09:30 AM JT-Shop: nano clone
09:30 AM TurBoss: ok
09:31 AM TurBoss: i have them but works without
09:31 AM JT-Shop: yea my photocell is working
09:31 AM Jymmm: JT-Shop: So, apt-get install arduino failed?
09:31 AM JT-Shop: I used the install.sh script
09:31 AM TurBoss: Jymmm: download the tar.gz from the arduino.cc
09:31 AM TurBoss: and just run the bin
09:31 AM TurBoss: ./arduino
09:32 AM Jymmm: Why not use the pkg manager?
09:32 AM TurBoss: because is outdated
09:32 AM TurBoss: latest version is 1.8.2
09:32 AM TurBoss: I don't know what the one from the repos can be...
09:33 AM JT-Shop: yea I installed 1.8.2
09:36 AM TurBoss: wow I succesfully installed linuxcnc on a bananapi
09:36 AM TurBoss: rt patches too
09:36 AM TurBoss: 200k latency :D
09:36 AM TurBoss: doing tweaks
09:37 AM TurBoss: I want to disable serial console
09:37 AM TurBoss: stderr stdout from ttyS0
09:49 AM Jymmm: WOW, really old it seems, I wonder why? Version: 2:1.0.5+dfsg2-4 (1.05 I guess?)
09:51 AM TurBoss: no idea
09:51 AM TurBoss: :D
09:51 AM TurBoss: install from portable is easy
10:50 AM Jymmm: TurBoss: "portable" ?
11:24 AM roycroft: it's time for the last round of painting on my lathe stand
11:25 AM roycroft: i'll be so happy take the paint tent down and have access to my garage shop again
11:29 AM Jymmm: If anyone cares... https://github.com/google
11:49 AM LeelooMinai: Ha, got my milling vise already. Looks pretty professional - even has docs and a table showing what was verifies in terms of domensions and to what specification.
11:49 AM LeelooMinai: verfied*
11:50 AM LeelooMinai: Did not really expect it for $100 vise.
11:51 AM roycroft: great
11:51 AM roycroft: there are some articles on the internet that discuss how to fine-tune those imported vises
11:51 AM roycroft: i never bothered doing anything with mine
11:51 AM LeelooMinai: I also opened it and my first thought was "Wait, why does it only have one jaw", because I could not even see the gap between two together.
11:51 AM roycroft: the screw is smooth enough
11:52 AM roycroft: and even with a kurt you should always give your part a tap-down right before final tightening
11:52 AM roycroft: it just goes down a little more with the imported ones than with a kurt
11:52 AM LeelooMinai: It's kind of heavy though - 15kg I think.
11:52 AM LeelooMinai: But I guess that's good.
11:52 AM roycroft: that sounds about right
11:53 AM roycroft: and yes, mass is always your friend with such things
11:53 AM LeelooMinai: Also, there's tons of oil everywhere on it - what do I do with it?
11:53 AM LeelooMinai: I probably should remove it, so metal debree does not stick to it?
11:53 AM roycroft: i would wipe it down with mineral spirits or whatever you use to clean things
11:53 AM roycroft: and then lightly reoil with way oil
11:54 AM LeelooMinai: WD40 for cleaning should be good too?
11:54 AM roycroft: oh, right
11:54 AM roycroft: yours is in climate controlled environment
11:54 AM roycroft: so it's not going to rust by just sitting around
11:54 AM roycroft: wd40 would be fine
11:54 AM roycroft: a bit expensive for cleaning stuff, but if that's what you have it works fine
11:55 AM LeelooMinai: Ok, great
11:55 AM roycroft: i use mineral spirits for that kind of cleaning - it's cheap and the least noxious of the petroleum-based solvents
11:55 AM roycroft: i work my way up to more intensive things like acetone and lacquer thinner when necessary
11:56 AM roycroft: and try to avoid really nasty stuff like mek at all costs
11:56 AM LeelooMinai: Right, it smells though - at least to me, but WD40 is more like a perphume:)
11:57 AM dmitry: metric vs imperial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmSJXC6_qQ8
11:57 AM roycroft: i stock wd40, mineral spirits, denatured alcohol, acetone, and lacquer thinner by the gallon in my shop
11:57 AM roycroft: wd40 i primarily use as a lubricant when machining aluminium
11:58 AM LeelooMinai: dmitry: "-- Here's a kilogram standard (shows a metal shape) -- And here's an imperial one (shows a human foot preserved in a jar)" :)
11:59 AM roycroft: we use neither in the us as our standard, although american customary units are defined in si units
12:00 PM roycroft: i just wish people weren't so pig-headed and jingoistic in this country
12:00 PM roycroft: we've officially converted to the metric system twice, once in the 1870s, and again in the 1970s
12:00 PM roycroft: yet people refuse to use it
12:00 PM dmitry: LeelooMinai heh yeah:)
12:00 PM * roycroft could go on a long rant about this, but decides to spare the channel
12:01 PM LeelooMinai: dmitry: lol, so US got the first metric standards and was supposed to be metric, and here we area somehow...
12:01 PM LeelooMinai: are*
12:01 PM roycroft: i use si units for almost everything, but i machine in american customary units because metric tooling is so damn expensive in this country
12:02 PM roycroft: as is metric hardware
12:02 PM roycroft: even though industry uses metric hardware primarily these days
12:03 PM LeelooMinai: It's all sad - last time I had to figure out some torque puzzle, I had like 4 different units to deal with - kgm Nm oz/inch, lb/inch, lb/foot, etc.
12:04 PM LeelooMinai: And of course I have two sets of everything - wrenches, allen keys, etc. - metric and imperial.
12:04 PM LeelooMinai: So whoever is responsible for it, I hate that person, just not sure who to hate really:)
12:04 PM roycroft: when i worked at a bike shop back in the '70s we had to have three complete sets of tools - french metric, italian metric, and japanese metric
12:05 PM roycroft: each of which was just a tiny bit different from the others
12:05 PM LeelooMinai: Sounds wonderful:)
12:05 PM archivist: and whitworth for the brit bikes
12:05 PM roycroft: enough that it was desirable to use the correct country's tools when working on precise, soft parts
12:05 PM roycroft: yes, we did not deal with too many raleighs though
12:05 PM roycroft: they were mostly italian and french bikes
12:05 PM roycroft: and most of our customers used campagnolo components
12:06 PM LeelooMinai: A, so racing bikes.
12:06 PM roycroft: but there were a fairly dedicated shimano group, so we had to deal with the japanese stuff as well
12:06 PM roycroft: everyone had brooks saddles though
12:06 PM archivist: my bike raleigh had campagnolo
12:07 PM roycroft: this was 100 years after si units were "standardised"
12:07 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I presume outside of the bike domain, it's better now.
12:08 PM hazzy: I love campagnolo :-D
12:08 PM archivist: nooo, same with philips, japanese cross and pozidrive
12:08 PM hazzy: My atala it all compy
12:09 PM * LeelooMinai checks if this is not #cycling by accident :p
12:09 PM LeelooMinai: Looks like a lot of people here were into cycling (I used to do MTB marathons)
12:10 PM roycroft: it's not the bike world vs. the not bike world
12:10 PM roycroft: the tools are still different sizes in different countries
12:10 PM roycroft: it's rough vs. precise work
12:11 PM roycroft: if you're wrenching on a a 17mm nut it doesn't matter much of your wrench is not quite the proper size for the nut - if it's close you're generally good enough
12:11 PM roycroft: but on a 5mm nut it makes more of a difference
12:11 PM roycroft: and for allen head sockets and the like, even more so
12:12 PM roycroft: and as i said some moments ago, wrenching on soft materials makes it more important to use the exact correct size tool
12:12 PM LeelooMinai: Right, most people discovered that after making a hex nut round some time in the lifetime probably.
12:13 PM roycroft: you can disassemble/reassemble a campagnolo derailleur with french tools
12:13 PM roycroft: but italian tools will fit better
12:13 PM roycroft: at least that was the case 40 years ago
12:14 PM LeelooMinai: Which is probably beneficial for them - since they can sell them for $$$ - standard practice anyways with custom tools.
12:14 PM roycroft: i'm not talking about custom tools
12:14 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I am sure Campagnolo sells their tools or sold in the past.
12:14 PM roycroft: i'm talking about open end/box wrenchs, allen wrenches, etc.
12:15 PM roycroft: oh, yes, one could buy campy tools for a premium
12:15 PM roycroft: but off-the-shelf italian tools fit campy components better than french tools
12:15 PM LeelooMinai: Park?
12:15 PM LeelooMinai: What is that bike tool company - they always had expensive tools - something with Park inside, forgot now:)
12:18 PM LeelooMinai: I still don't get it though - what would be a difference between French metric and Japanese metric - I mean they would not make a hex bolt with a dimension 17.333mm
12:18 PM LeelooMinai: I mean the units are the same.
12:19 PM roycroft: no, but an italian 17mm hex bolt might be 17.02 french mm
12:19 PM roycroft: it's been so long i forget which ones were bigger and which ones were smaller
12:19 PM roycroft: but there are, or at lest were, tiny differences in size
12:19 PM LeelooMinai: That's silly though - what was the point of not making it to size...
12:19 PM roycroft: tradition :)
12:20 PM roycroft: english speaking people are not the only ones who tend to suffer from jingoism
12:20 PM LeelooMinai: So they what - made a batch of 17mm, measured it and said, "ok, that will be our 17mm now - a bit off, but that's how it came out" :)
12:21 PM roycroft: it goes back, i'm sure, before the si system was standardised
12:21 PM roycroft: i really don't know the history
12:22 PM roycroft: what i know is that we had three complete sets of tools in the bike shop, and they were subtly different from each other
12:22 PM roycroft: and we chose the tools that best fit the parts we were working on
12:23 PM LeelooMinai: I switched to metric in linuxcnc, Fusion 360 and decided to stick to it no matter what. But it's sad how most CNC videos will have everything in inches and mils, so I have to keep converting in my head all the time.
12:25 PM roycroft: with cnc the units don't matter much
12:26 PM LeelooMinai: Right, 10 inches per second or mms per second, no one will notice:p
12:26 PM roycroft: if you're using si units you can grab a 1/2" end mill and define it as a 12.7mm end mill
12:26 PM roycroft: and go on your way without having to do any more math
12:26 PM LeelooMinai: I mean more all the feed rates, CPT, DOCs, etc. when working with CAM.
12:26 PM roycroft: when machining manually units matter a lot more :)
12:27 PM roycroft: and since i currently machine manually, and american customary tooling is so much less expensive than metric tooling around here, i machine in american customary units
12:27 PM TurBoss: jymmm: 32 or 64 bits?
12:28 PM roycroft: that way i do the conversion math in cad, not with a calculator while standing at the machine
12:28 PM LeelooMinai: I am in Canada, so it's metric in theory here and imperial in practice - I blame US for that though.
12:28 PM roycroft: don't
12:28 PM Jymmm: TurBoss: 16
12:29 PM roycroft: there are shops in bc that still get fined for selling meat in pounds because of stubborn people who refuse to comply
12:29 PM Jymmm: TurBoss: I was asking what you meant by that
12:29 PM roycroft: canadians are not immune to that kind of resistance to change
12:29 PM TurBoss: I mean that you have a directory under your home and run it from there no install required
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:29 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, sure, but US has tremendous influence on that.
12:30 PM Jymmm: TurBoss: But as I recall ArduinoIDE REQUIRES java/jre
12:30 PM LeelooMinai: Too much economic exchenge with US.
12:30 PM CaptHindsight: who makes a RC flying thing with an IR camera and crypto-link for controls and camera?
12:30 PM CaptHindsight: I think they might call them drones now :)
12:30 PM TurBoss: jymmm: sure
12:30 PM TurBoss: :D
12:31 PM Jymmm: TurBoss: So, not truly "portable" =)
12:31 PM TurBoss: well: not a sistemwide installed
12:31 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: gubmint spooks
12:31 PM TurBoss: System*
12:31 PM CaptHindsight: TurBoss: where you using an A20 and having network issues?
12:31 PM TurBoss: fixed
12:31 PM TurBoss: thanks
12:31 PM roycroft: industry use si units exclusively in canada
12:31 PM TurBoss: CaptHindsight: downgraded u-boot
12:31 PM LeelooMinai: CaptHindsight: Saying "RC flying thing" imediatelly adds + 30 years to your percieved age:)
12:32 PM CaptHindsight: TurBoss: was that the fix?
12:32 PM TurBoss: yes
12:32 PM roycroft: which is why, for decades, the average ford car had a mix of american customary and metric hardware
12:32 PM TurBoss: the armbian dev toldme
12:32 PM roycroft: the parts made in canada were metric
12:32 PM Jymmm: LeelooMinai: and takes away 20 from yours =)
12:32 PM CaptHindsight: flaky u-boot heh
12:32 PM roycroft: the parts made in the us american customary
12:32 PM Loetmichel: *meh* just was at staples, buying new ink cartridges for my wife's HP Deskjet F2180. Stapes here doesent have any noname cartridges any more... 90 eur for a black an a colour cartridge. the whole printer/scanner was 69 eur back in the days :-(
12:33 PM roycroft: and that is why inkjet printers are Evil(tm)
12:33 PM LeelooMinai: Loetmichel: That's why I bought $100 laser printer
12:33 PM roycroft: laser printers are much less expensive to operate
12:33 PM Jymmm: Loetmichel: HAHA, amazon dude, amazon. I bought a $40 lasre printer, and it's $60 for the toner
12:33 PM LeelooMinai: Those ink printers are almost like a scam
12:34 PM Jymmm: Loetmichel: or ebay has some good deals on ink/toner too
12:34 PM TurBoss: CaptHindsight: now I have high stable latencies
12:34 PM LeelooMinai: And laser printer was useful for home-making pcbs too:)
12:34 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: after the Lexmark lawsuit in the USA the vendors are now required to offer refillable cartridges
12:35 PM roycroft: they're still expensive to operate
12:35 PM CaptHindsight: TurBoss: preempt_rt on the A20 was ~70k uS
12:35 PM CaptHindsight: TurBoss: what are you seeing?
12:35 PM roycroft: and if you don't print often, your cartridges can dry up and be rendered useless
12:35 PM Loetmichel: LeelooMinai: wife wanted a cheap printer/scanner device because "desk real estate and i dont print that often"... but every time she DOES want to print i have to buy new cartridges because the old ones are empty and/or clogged from not being used... i hate it
12:35 PM TurBoss: 400000 ns
12:35 PM Jymmm: roycroft: My toner was $12 shipped
12:36 PM * roycroft has a commercial mopier at home now, and is pretty happy with it
12:36 PM roycroft: it is 11x17, does duplex scanning, duplex printing
12:36 PM TurBoss: CaptHindsight: I disabled the console via serial, a big improvement
12:36 PM roycroft: costs about $0.03/page in consumables for an 11x17 color print
12:36 PM roycroft: i mostly use it for scanning
12:36 PM CaptHindsight: inkjet is for color and product marking
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: CRC G10 iTooltable inside Gcode https://youtu.be/BKUAdACMQSI
12:36 PM TurBoss: CaptHindsight: at u-boot prompt : setenv console /dev/null
12:36 PM TurBoss: saveenv
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: Can someine ceck the English voice
12:37 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: "Gcode CRC Virtual"? I cannot even parse the meaning of that.
12:38 PM TurBoss: CaptHindsight: the arm board i want costs more than a itx j1900 computer
12:38 PM TurBoss: i.mx6
12:38 PM LeelooMinai: A, Cutter Radius Compensation - I thought it's Cyclic Redundancy Check - too many acronyms:/
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: thats why the Vidio is up
12:39 PM CaptHindsight: TurBoss: imx6 is has open drivers, but the prices are not low
12:39 PM Jymmm: You know, it really sucks when you move 10K files and can't remember where you moved them to
12:39 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: wife has no room for that
12:39 PM CaptHindsight: rpi3 ARM SOC also has all open drivers but you can't just buy the SOC you have to buy the rpi3 to get the SOC
12:39 PM TurBoss: https://www.solid-run.com/freescale-imx6-family/hummingboard/
12:39 PM roycroft: yeah, it's not a solution for everybody
12:40 PM TurBoss: this has pcie
12:40 PM Loetmichel: she already complains that the F2180 "uses too much space"
12:40 PM LeelooMinai: I wonder if the guy behind the NativeCAM is on this channel.
12:40 PM roycroft: it actually saved me a lot of space, as i was able to replace three laser printers (one of which was a floor standing one) and a scanner with this one unit
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: he reads the logs
12:40 PM Loetmichel: i think she wants to lay a sheet of paper on her desk and the writing to magically appear on it out of thin air... and free of charge of course...
12:40 PM CaptHindsight: how much are color laser printers down to now?
12:41 PM roycroft: i think they can be had for around $350, but i have no concept of consumables cost for the low end ones
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: features
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: features
12:41 PM the_wench: NativeCAM https://github.com/FernV/NativeCAM
12:41 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: A, ok - seems his stuff is a pretty good addition to linuxcnc
12:41 PM roycroft: i bought may machine for $2k on a lease return
12:42 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: i have a preetty decent Mufu printer/scanner/fax here in my room from canon. she refuses to use it... i would even bring her the prints...
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: look at my video pn dxf2gcode
12:42 PM Loetmichel: <- dont think he really understands women
12:42 PM roycroft: it was completely refurbished, and had brand new toners in it, and i got them to throw in an extra set of toners
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: beer
12:42 PM the_wench: I am not your waitress!
12:42 PM LeelooMinai: What I noticed that 3D printing people have nicer software now than milling people nowadays.
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: they work one dimanchen more
12:43 PM LeelooMinai: I guess a lot of software Nerds threw their skills into it, since it's more likely people like that get into 3D printing than milling.
12:43 PM LeelooMinai: So that NativeCAM is kind of an exception.
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: in a maker shop they turn back quickly
12:44 PM roycroft: i know people who think that machining is going to be eliminated because everything will be 3d printed in the future
12:44 PM Loetmichel: LeelooMinai: you DO see that the nerds are more software based than hardware based though... the mechanics of common 3dprinters are anything but "well thought" and rigid
12:44 PM roycroft: these are folks who don't know anything about machining, of course
12:44 PM Jymmm: It would be interesting to see the stats on the "interest" in glue guns after a year
12:45 PM roycroft: but think that the replicators on star trek are cool
12:45 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: why do they need to know about that if everything will be 3d printed? :)
12:45 PM LeelooMinai: Well, the thing is that 3D printing is in baby age now - who knows what it willb e able to do when mature.
12:45 PM roycroft: i think their brains were 3d printed sometimes
12:45 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: on the university i do always the same modell with the students on Mill and print and they then dont like printing
12:46 PM Jymmm: LeelooMinai: Hardly, it's the whole $1000 market
12:46 PM roycroft: no doubt 3d printing technology will mature and it will be used for many more things than it is currently
12:46 PM Jymmm: It is, just not sub $1000
12:46 PM CaptHindsight: Loetmichel: yeah, software devs with no hardware experience in much of anything are typically the experts most everything
12:47 PM CaptHindsight: just ask them
12:47 PM FinboySlick: Screw 3d printing. We need really fast atom displacers.
12:48 PM roycroft: internet armchair software developers who have no actual software or hardware experience are even more expert in everything
12:49 PM CaptHindsight: are there any off the shelf IR cameras with crypto built in?
12:49 PM CaptHindsight: simple enough if you add a board with crypto
12:49 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: like https?
12:49 PM LeelooMinai: I was/am a programmer, but learned electronics and built my CNC - yes, no experience is bad, but still, one can learn a lot.
12:49 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: You mean network encryption? Or storage encryption?
12:50 PM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick: network for the link, don't need storage in the camera
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel: heavy storm on way to you
12:50 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: https
12:51 PM LeelooMinai: I guess programmers have usually one good skill of being able to absorb a lot of information quickly through internet - so don't discard them completely:)
12:51 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: no real encryption
12:51 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: It IS real encryption.
12:51 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: That's a good question. A lot of them run linux so technically, they could all do ipsec.
12:51 PM CaptHindsight: nuh huh
12:52 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: Though Jymmm has a point there. if it's doing https, it's technically as strong as the cypher you use.
12:52 PM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick: do they tend to stick an arm soc on the back and run Linux?
12:52 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: https://www.openssl.org/
12:52 PM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick: but Jymmm is a doody head
12:52 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: I only looked into it years ago. My idea is that they probably *can* do it but i doubt the manufacturers looked into it.
12:52 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: I have your video running in the side and it's funny - do you really do a lot of programming g-code by hand like that
12:52 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Anything ROT26 will be VERY SECURE
12:53 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: as teatcher basics are most importent
12:54 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: the inside SUB is your CAM out
12:54 PM CaptHindsight: drone with secure camera ip might fall under too scary to be sold
12:54 PM Jymmm: pfff
12:55 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: Right, sure, I understand that, but I am trying imagine machinists doing that in practice:)
12:55 PM CaptHindsight: so maybe a drone with an adapter
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: more comen then you may imagine
12:55 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: on standard part producing
12:56 PM gregcnc: hand programming milling is slowly disappearing unless it's simple shapes
12:56 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.defensetech.org/2014/05/21/darpa-unveils-hack-proof-drone/
12:56 PM gregcnc: by slowly I'm mean there are a few who simply won't learn CAM before they are gone
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: gregcnc: ive seen many since 1982
12:57 PM gregcnc: it's 2017
12:57 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: Would an USB ir camera with a networked sbc do the trick for you?
12:57 PM IchGucksLive: burt G1 is still G1
12:58 PM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick: have to be a non-standard network
12:58 PM LeelooMinai: I can imagine a g-code editor that has real-time preview of the toolpath as you program - I guess that could work.
12:58 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: Can you expand on that?
12:58 PM CaptHindsight: since that is already giving much away
12:58 PM FinboySlick: OH.
12:58 PM FinboySlick: Hmm.
12:58 PM gregcnc: what for?
12:58 PM FinboySlick: Essentially, you need it all on the same board?
12:58 PM CaptHindsight: yeah packets and how they are formed
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: gregcnc: simple thinks
12:59 PM gregcnc: conversational has already taken over that
12:59 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: Basically you kind of do it, but you have to save/reload aevery time.
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: it is for understanding
01:00 PM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick: just a pseudo random stream that frequency hops
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: you will get conident and write it in one flow
01:00 PM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick: since it's wireless
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: i got a Brothere that moves to CAD/CAM for 1 hole
01:00 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I meant it would be nice if the editor and the 3D view were synchronized all the time.
01:00 PM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick: thats all the observer should see
01:01 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: THAT is the Goal think your path throu
01:01 PM FinboySlick: Well, pretty much everything wireless supports encryption nowadays. frequency hopping and stuff might add a lot of complexity though.
01:01 PM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick: gopro size would be ideal
01:01 PM LeelooMinai: gregcnc: "conversational" is some new trend? Like that NativeCAM?
01:01 PM CaptHindsight: DDR radio with FPGA
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: that is the new Wipe generatrion
01:02 PM LeelooMinai: Wipe?
01:02 PM roycroft: i thought that conversational interfacing with a cnc machine has been pretty standard ever since cnc machines stopped requring programming via punch tape
01:03 PM IchGucksLive: to all we are talking on that Youtube https://youtu.be/BKUAdACMQSI
01:03 PM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick: https://www.crowdsupply.com/lime-micro/limesdr
01:03 PM gregcnc: i don't even know what you're selling in that video
01:03 PM FinboySlick: What would a camera that 'supports crypto' do to help with that though? Sounds to me like you'll have to hook it to a system that will do the wireless and crypto for you.
01:03 PM roycroft: germany was reunified in 1990, capthindsight - there is no ddr :)
01:03 PM CaptHindsight: heh
01:03 PM LeelooMinai: Was DDR and NRF
01:04 PM LeelooMinai: Maybe SDR:)
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: im on SWR3
01:04 PM CaptHindsight: well there is ddr4 now :)
01:05 PM LeelooMinai: I wonder if one took a person from say 1900 and from now and counted how many acronyms they have to remember, what would be the difference...
01:05 PM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick: semantics, some cameras have wifi built in
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: i dont see acronymous in 1900
01:06 PM LeelooMinai: There must have been some:)
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: as full names where the ultra advertising
01:06 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: Yeah, and that'll have 'crypto'.
01:06 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: BTW... who you perving on at night?
01:07 PM FinboySlick: Modern wifi will do AES or better.
01:07 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: oh it's for a mouse trap
01:07 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: 1887 Military ones http://www.diss.fu-berlin.de/diss/servlets/MCRFileNodeServlet/FUDISS_derivate_000000003200/09_Kap6.pdf.pdf?hosts
01:07 PM FinboySlick: mouse porn? New to me.
01:07 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: mouse perv, gotcha
01:08 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: I know a guy with mouse problems at night
01:08 PM gregcnc: capthindsight when does the kickstarter for your super mousetrap launch?
01:08 PM IchGucksLive: WHY PLEASE NOT
01:08 PM Jymmm: FinboySlick: I think that's why CaptHindsight is going to start producing the porn... mouse porn, rat porn, skunk porn, and various other rodent porn
01:08 PM IchGucksLive: Channel Rules
01:08 PM LeelooMinai: IchGucksLive: Er, what is that. so KB23 would be some code of person or what?
01:09 PM FinboySlick: skunks go at it for hours, probably the best investment.
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: leave it that way
01:09 PM CaptHindsight: they use drones with OR cameras for animal porn?
01:10 PM CaptHindsight: OR/IR
01:10 PM gregcnc: mostly for hunting hogs
01:10 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: There ya go, FinboySlick is your first "client". Who knew that "rodent fetish" was a thing
01:10 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: where do you come across this stuff?
01:10 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Hey, YOU are the one doing night perving.
01:11 PM Jymmm: most just set up bait traps
01:11 PM CaptHindsight: doody head
01:11 PM Jymmm: not want IR and CRYPTO, for rodents
01:11 PM Jymmm: and SSL aint good enough for them
01:11 PM Jymmm: but it is to do online banking/purchases.
01:12 PM Jymmm: just sayin =)
01:12 PM CaptHindsight: that is why the Russians are able to hack everything
01:13 PM CaptHindsight: these are smart mice, possible even Russian
01:13 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: At any rate. Besides an IR camera that supports wifi (which implies encryption nowadays) you're going to have to McGuiver something for your use case.
01:14 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: $20 if you incorporate tin foil and silly putty in a PRACTICAL way
01:14 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: and that would be MY defintion of practical, not yours
01:14 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: the foil obviously doesn't work here
01:14 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8
01:15 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Nothing is obvious... IR reflector
01:16 PM CaptHindsight: dual purpose tin foil
01:16 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: you are REALLY gonna suck at building a better mouse trap if you couldn't evne think of a way to use tin foil in the project
01:16 PM Jymmm: <shaks head>
01:16 PM Jymmm: tsk tsk tsk
01:16 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: but you can cover an entire area like afghan... I mean a cornfield with tin foil
01:17 PM CaptHindsight: can/can't
01:17 PM Jymmm: hold that thought...
01:17 PM FinboySlick: foilmaster Jymmm on the case
01:18 PM CaptHindsight: as Jymmm frantically searches for a picture of a corn field covered in tin foil
01:18 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Nah, that would be too easy.
01:19 PM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick: the wifi radio would need to be able to operate outside the usual set aside channels used for wifi
01:19 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Got it... alumnum gas sprayed over targeted area. I'll let you figure out how to get it to 4556F degrees to be able to do that
01:20 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: That's a great way to get in trouble
01:21 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: licensed ham freqs are in the bacd as well as others
01:21 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: How far outside? wifi client usually matches the AP, so if you're going for 2485 or 2400 Mhz, it'll work so long as you can convince your AP to run on that frequency.
01:21 PM CaptHindsight: I'm pretty sure the people with the Russian mouse problem are already in a difficult situation
01:21 PM _methods: fake news
01:22 PM _methods: russian mouse problem is all fake news
01:22 PM CaptHindsight: this could be a cornfield outside of FCC jurisdiction
01:22 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: Another issue with SDR is that you typically won't have enough bandwidth to run a video stream.
01:22 PM CaptHindsight: _methods: pretty sure the droppings found were Cyrillic
01:23 PM _methods: no proof all lies
01:23 PM _methods: so sad
01:23 PM _methods: As it turns out, the administration might not have known Russia was going to make the photos of the trio's unusual meeting public.
01:23 PM _methods: One furious official told CNN's Jim Acosta that the White House didn't anticipate the move. "They tricked us," the official said, adding "they lie."
01:23 PM _methods: lol
01:23 PM CaptHindsight: _methods: I don't care as long as the check clears
01:23 PM _methods: those sneaky russian mouses
01:24 PM Jymmm: Pff, just server them vodka spiked with arsonic
01:24 PM CaptHindsight: VEEP has become far less silly as compared to the actual news
01:25 PM _methods: except there are women in that show
01:25 PM LeelooMinai: I get my news from the Colbert show - it's pretty funny:)
01:25 PM CaptHindsight: _methods: did you see the story about "The Rock" considering running for pres?
01:25 PM _methods: hell yeah
01:26 PM FinboySlick: Everybody would vote for him.
01:26 PM _methods: bert and ernie are going to run against him
01:26 PM * Jymmm votes for Cookie Monster!
01:27 PM CaptHindsight: _methods: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9FN36iAN0g
01:28 PM _methods: classic
01:28 PM _methods: who knew it was a documentary
01:28 PM _methods: don't worry it should be almost over
01:28 PM _methods: textbook obstruction of justice should be fairly easy to prove at this point
01:29 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/05/10/will-dwayne-the-rock-johnson-actually-run-for-president-its-a-real-possibility
01:32 PM CaptHindsight: he'd be better than Reagan, look at his muscles
01:33 PM _methods: i'm with Jymmm i'm going all in on the cookie monster
01:33 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: I couldn't find any tiny shot glasses
01:35 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: but after the 2nd time or so they mice get wise and get their vodkas somewhere else
01:37 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: sewing thimbles... it's like beer funnel jugging for mice
01:37 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: or make a voka swimming pool for em
01:40 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: only work once or twice
02:20 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: have you seen a wearable underwater vision that lets divers see a few feet through murky water?
02:20 PM JT-Shop: yea my printer is printing!
02:21 PM CaptHindsight: to spot fish, sticks, rocks etc from a few feet away with enough definition to make out what it is
02:34 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: You say "murky", is in silt and sediment stirred up?
02:34 PM Jymmm: as in*
02:35 PM CaptHindsight: sure or a dark night
02:38 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: http://www.pki-electronic.com/products/video-and-night-vision-systems/underwater-night-vision-glasses/
02:42 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.nivisys.com/en/products/night_vision_systems/dvs_100
02:44 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Ummm... http://www.nivisys.com/en/products/category/demo_goods_sale/
02:44 PM Jymmm: Cha-CHING!
02:46 PM CaptHindsight: ITAR
02:47 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: ITAR is kinda "old skool" these days
02:47 PM Nick-Shop: JT - Is that the black framed printer?
02:49 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: It used to be a thing 20 years ago, but that's when you HAD to give your keys to the FBI every release.
03:05 PM Goodlord: so i get to stepconf wizard
03:57 PM JT-Shop: yea 2020 frame
03:58 PM JT-Shop: same but different as XXCoder
03:59 PM XXCoder: 3d printer
03:59 PM XXCoder: ?
04:01 PM JT-Shop: aye
04:01 PM JT-Shop: and it's printing again!
04:01 PM XXCoder: cool
04:01 PM XXCoder: what was wrong with it orginially? forgot
04:02 PM JT-Shop: I was trying to print PTEG too fast... printing a PLA part
04:02 PM JT-Shop: today I had a failure
04:03 PM Nick-Shop: JT-Shop bought the same one and I'm still having issues
04:05 PM JT-Shop: I had several issues and worked through each one...
04:08 PM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/images/prusa-i3-clone/Y-Axis-01.jpg
04:08 PM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/images/prusa-i3-clone/Y-Axis-02.jpg
04:10 PM Nick-Shop: I made them send me the 10mm z axis rods that they advertised. then I found the mount for the extruder was curled and it took a month to get another one. Now the controller card is bad and I'm replacing it with a regular Ramps card.
04:10 PM XXCoder: Nick-Shop: one thing I want to is use linuxcnc, make 3d printer into proper cnc machine
04:10 PM JT-Shop: I have a regular ramps in mine and the bigger display
04:10 PM XXCoder: but linuxcnc dont support some gcodes
04:11 PM JT-Shop: hmm a girl does it...
04:11 PM Nick-Shop: I havent run it enough to find that problem-something to look forward to
04:12 PM Nick-Shop: any reason you didn't use their card?
04:13 PM XXCoder: mines still stock, whats wrong with stock
04:14 PM Nick-Shop: XXCoder - thats where I'm headed once I debug all the problems with this one.
04:16 PM Nick-Shop: I just think the frame is going to have to be larger or reinforced to be a lot more solid than it is now
04:16 PM XXCoder: you have the 9 degree support?
04:16 PM XXCoder: it makes it very rigid
04:16 PM XXCoder: er 90
04:16 PM XXCoder: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1801067
04:19 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: you seen this? https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2301710
04:19 PM XXCoder: I got it from old game in 1995
04:19 PM JT-Shop: the led part of the card died
04:19 PM JT-Shop: yea, you showed me the other day
04:19 PM XXCoder: I think mines still fine because I barely use it lol
04:20 PM XXCoder: oh
04:20 PM JT-Shop: Nick-Shop: I changed the Y axis for 10mm with aluminum ends
04:21 PM JT-Shop: Nick-Shop: https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/00/24/86/a0/52/e0be0048ca23550f7cb9690fda1f896b_preview_card.jpg
04:21 PM Nick-Shop: I have simuler gussets on mine but It still flexes. Need something simuler but about 12"long to support the Z frame a lot further up
04:22 PM XXCoder: someone made that
04:22 PM JT-Shop: I replaced the cough cough "feet" with them
04:22 PM XXCoder: it uses allthreads and you print the mount points
04:22 PM JT-Shop: http://www.thingiverse.com/JT_Shop/designs
04:22 PM XXCoder: I just ordered 4 of 1.5 inch 2020s and tapped added feet to those lol
04:23 PM JT-Shop: to raise it up more?
04:23 PM XXCoder: a little
04:25 PM Nick-Shop: JT-Shop - I machined the feet so they were the same so it sits real good on the bench. Just have to get the controller changed so I cam actually run it. I just keep getting sidetracked with work :-)
04:27 PM JT-Shop: I know that feeling of $Day $Job interfering with your fun
04:28 PM JT-Shop: mine have rubber o-rings glued in so it does not move around
04:29 PM XXCoder: I really need to get cracking
04:29 PM XXCoder: I'm been so lazy
04:30 PM Deejay: gn8
04:31 PM JT-Shop: I should be out in the other shop finishing up the coop
04:35 PM JT-Shop: Nick-Shop: another thing I did was add some split collars to the top X axis rod to get the spacing right
04:36 PM JT-Shop: and made a different Z limit switch holder
04:36 PM JT-Shop: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1808823
04:40 PM dmitry: what is a good book to learn gcode ?
04:41 PM Nick-Shop: JT-Shop I had to do the same thing - 4 collars on the Xaxis rods to keep the 2 side bkocks from spinging all around. But first i had to change to bearings for some that fit the rods with some drag so they wore actually bearing properly.
04:41 PM gregcnc: cnc programming handbook by Smid is great for Fanuc
04:42 PM Nick-Shop: Luckily i have some inventory of good Chinese linear bearings.
04:42 PM gregcnc: most concepts translate to other controls, though details may be different
04:46 PM JT-Shop: dmitry: the documents
04:46 PM dmitry: gregcnc ok thx so it translates well to linuxcnc I guess?
04:47 PM dmitry: JT-Shop Looking for a book since I code around 7+ hours a day so I preffer not to read it on screen
04:47 PM Nick-Shop: As far as Z axis - I haven't gotten that far to have the mounting problem. The controller isn't seeing Y axis limit switch, every so ofter the original default for Z axis wouuld reinstall, then the LCD screen quit so I put it all to the side for awhile till I catch up to my work.
04:49 PM gregcnc: I would say, basics yes, but the docs would cover exactly what you need
04:50 PM gregcnc: i learned linuxcnc from the docs and got the Smid book when I had to work with with fanuc
04:50 PM dmitry: gregcnc okay, thank you!
05:00 PM JT-Shop: Nick-Shop: the limit switch mount for Z was to easy to move so I printed one with two screws and a key
05:00 PM JT-Shop: clean up on aisle 2!
05:12 PM JT-Shop: well that part printed nice
05:15 PM Nick-Shop: JT-Shop I'll wait till I get that far, then I will deal with it. Hopefully by this weekend I have the ramps card installed an maybe have this functioning.
06:03 PM JT-Shop: when I changed my card to a ramps I had to use a newer version of arduino and change some stuff in the file to work
06:04 PM JT-Shop: dang rain again
06:04 PM phipli: Test of the evening : writing my first Blu-ray disk
06:05 PM phipli: quite impressed that it can write to an optical disk at 26MB/s
06:08 PM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/images/chicks/chick-feeder.jpg
06:08 PM phipli: :)
06:09 PM phipli: Our new birds arrive next week...
06:09 PM Nick-Shop: Thanks JT - Dinner time - Time to shut down Nite
06:09 PM phipli: not sure which day yet. Hopefully not Monday or Tuesday because I'm in Italy
06:09 PM JT-Shop: I had to add a sloping roof so they would not roost on it lol
06:09 PM phipli: JT-Shop, heh
06:10 PM phipli: How many chicks are there?
06:10 PM JT-Shop: 6
06:10 PM JT-Shop: so far one is a rooster
06:10 PM phipli: Messing about the other day I put our greedy chicken in the feed bag and shut the lid on the bin it is in
06:11 PM phipli: there was a slight pause... then <peck> <peck> <peckpeck>
06:11 PM phipli: who needs light when you're stood on /all of the food/
06:11 PM phipli: daft thing
06:12 PM phipli: that is the one that climbed up on my shoulder to be closer to the food I was holding
06:13 PM JT-Shop: it's funny they all think that the one that is eating has the best place at the table and they all want the same place
06:13 PM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/images/chicks/chick-feeder-02.jpg
06:14 PM phipli: Ours were running in circles trying to keep each other away from the treats earlier
06:14 PM phipli: like ships trying to get a broadside
06:14 PM JT-Shop: I rigged up a photocell to a relay to turn their light off at night today
06:15 PM JT-Shop: they are big enough to sleep at night
06:15 PM JT-Shop: 5 weeks old
06:16 PM JT-Shop: I was wondering what all the racket was the light went off, cloudy and overcast
06:17 PM phipli: heh
06:17 PM phipli: time for a tweak
06:17 PM phipli: Thought about putting a solar powered ESP8266 out with them to send info back?
06:17 PM phipli: Light status / door status?
06:18 PM phipli: https://openhomeautomation.net/esp8266-battery/
06:20 PM JT-Shop: I have a chick cam on them on the LAN
06:21 PM JT-Shop: I have a nano to open and close the door, working on that
06:21 PM phipli: I haven't set anything up yet - I was going to but a) I found the IP camera's telnet password on the internet and decided not use it until I'd thought about it
06:22 PM phipli: then that IoT botnet thing happened and that camera was one of the ones with its telnet credentials in the list
06:22 PM phipli: and b) the missus openly admits she'd get no work done if I set something up to check on them
06:22 PM JT-Shop: funny after lights out they just all crashed on the floor
06:22 PM JT-Shop: lol
06:23 PM phipli: yeah - ours tend to sleep on the floor, but in the morning they're on the perches
06:23 PM phipli: I think they like singing the fake egg song while perching
06:23 PM phipli: (they "sing" in the mornings to remind us to let them out)
06:24 PM JT-Shop: time for me to head inside before the rains start
06:24 PM phipli: anyways. It is nearly tomorrow.
06:24 PM phipli: Night
06:25 PM JT-Shop: gn
06:39 PM Jymmm: QUICK what is tomorrows lottery numbers? ;)
06:40 PM gregcnc: i can't wait til tomorrow, how about tonights' numbers
06:40 PM CaptHindsight: 7
06:41 PM CaptHindsight: wait thats my phone number
06:44 PM CaptHindsight: what would you do if you could travel to the future but when you come back anything you change gets reset to what was going to happen before you traveled to the future?
07:13 PM Orient: Hello there, is someone online who has experiance with Spindle orientation while on step_type 2 ?
07:14 PM Orient: or anyone alive at all? ;)
07:26 PM CaptHindsight: <4 minute wait time
07:26 PM CaptHindsight: who is on call tonight here?
07:43 PM * Jymmm looks at the pager on CaptHindsight's belt
07:44 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: and he waited 7 minutes =)
07:58 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: I was referring to his alive vs dead question Mr AR :)
07:59 PM CaptHindsight: I only respond to OT questions this month
08:00 PM roycroft: paint tent is coming down now :)
08:00 PM * roycroft wants his shop back, and will have it back soon
08:52 PM roycroft: yay, semblence of shop
09:16 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Ah, gotcha. So, what's the timing of a 1902 Desoto ?
09:17 PM Tom_L: TDC
10:48 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: ah a nooobie trick, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeSoto_(automobile) The DeSoto make was founded by Walter Chrysler on August 4, 1928
10:49 PM CaptHindsight: ok so how many Jymmm's does it take to change light bulb?
10:50 PM CaptHindsight: anyone can answer
11:16 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm
11:17 PM LeelooMinai: I had dubious idea of trying to fix one of the Chinese bearing blocks.
11:19 PM LeelooMinai: Not sure how to proceed further, but at least I learned few things. Like, a bottle jack does not work horizontally:)
11:21 PM LeelooMinai: But, eventually I managed to get the bearing out of the block: http://i.imgur.com/IIZD8uj.jpg
11:22 PM Tom_L: depends which side is up
11:22 PM Tom_L: they will work a little but not like vertically
11:22 PM LeelooMinai: And then, I found out that those "lubrication ports", as I was told, maybe are not really for lubrication, snice inside looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/MyYtobQ.jpg
11:23 PM LeelooMinai: So, my guess is that they are for reducing play or something like that (using a grub screw that's there.) Not sure, but seems so.
11:24 PM LeelooMinai: Anyways, I put the bearing back with a vise, but, couldn't get the block to move smoothly - not sure if I can do anything more. The only thing that comes to my mind would be taking some material from the inside of the block hoping that that would let the bearing compress less inside - don't know.
11:25 PM LeelooMinai: Like put a sandpaper on a pipe and try to sand the inside a bit...