May 10 2017
12:09 AM Crom_: where in the blazes was I using IPv6?
12:45 AM IchGucksLive: morning from germany
12:53 AM insomnia: guten morgen
12:54 AM IchGucksLive: :-)
01:09 AM IchGucksLive: till later
04:22 AM Deejay: moin
05:03 AM XXCoder: TurBoss: I had that issue long time ago
05:03 AM XXCoder: network card was jabbering a lot
05:03 AM XXCoder: I killed it and swapped it. worked.
05:53 AM jthornton: morning
05:55 AM XXCoder: hey jt
05:57 AM jthornton: got the Tweaker 5" esc's changed out last night so it's ready for the maiden flight
07:09 AM jthornton: XXCoder: https://fpv-freerider.itch.io/fpv-freerider
07:10 AM XXCoder: your site or what you bought?
07:12 AM jthornton: I just bought a copy for $5 seems to work well
07:12 AM XXCoder: I need to try it but not now lol need to go soon
07:14 AM jthornton: time to shut down for the day?
07:14 AM XXCoder: soon 5 am yeah lol
07:15 AM Jymmm: XXCoder: you part vampire?
07:15 AM jthornton: https://itch.io/t/19821/how-to-fly-an-fpv-multirotor
07:15 AM XXCoder: nah I'm full vampire, I just work parttime as vampire
07:16 AM Jymmm: gotcha
07:16 AM Jymmm: XXCoder: So, you're just a part time sucker, not a full time sucker
07:17 AM XXCoder: suck actual people? ew who knows where they been
07:17 AM XXCoder: no I just drink artifical blood
07:17 AM Jymmm: "who knows where they been"... like you care
07:18 AM XXCoder: lol
07:20 AM Jymmm: Aw, fuck me... now I need to find a debian/ubuntu distro that isn't bloated/resource hog
07:21 AM XXCoder: puppy linux
07:21 AM Jymmm: jthornton: which mint desktoop are you using?
07:21 AM Jymmm: XXCoder: puppy is debian based?
07:21 AM XXCoder: damn small linux if its older system
07:22 AM XXCoder: umm thought so but maybe not
07:22 AM jthornton: 17.3 and 18.1
07:22 AM XXCoder: dsl for sure no
07:22 AM Jymmm: XXCoder: No, it'll be a VM on my i7 mac
07:22 AM XXCoder: Jymmm: and I HIGHLY suggest xfce for desktop
07:22 AM Jymmm: jthornton: which DESKTP though? cinnamon? mate? etc
07:22 AM Jymmm: XXCoder: why?
07:22 AM XXCoder: low resource for very effective and super customizable desktop
07:22 AM jthornton: mate
07:23 AM Jymmm: jthornton: how you liking mate?
07:23 AM jthornton: I like it better that the rest and I've tried them all
07:24 AM XXCoder: including xfce? there was somewhat recent release
07:24 AM jthornton: been about 6 months since I've tried xfce
07:25 AM Jymmm: jthornton: Have you tried watching netflix on it?
07:25 AM jthornton: I think it was Linux Mint 17.1 that I tried xfce
07:25 AM jthornton: I don't have netfilx
07:26 AM Jymmm: ah, ok
07:27 AM XXCoder: mines xfce mint
07:27 AM Jymmm: Hmmm, Mint has a debian-based distro too it seems... https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
07:28 AM XXCoder: thats what mine is
07:28 AM XXCoder: oh wait
07:29 AM XXCoder: yeah
07:29 AM Jymmm: XXCoder: They offer BOTH ubuntu AND debian based.
07:29 AM XXCoder: I heard ubuntu is getting rid of that stupid unityu
07:29 AM XXCoder: I might go ubuntu if they do that
07:30 AM XXCoder: xfce version of course.
07:30 AM Jymmm: To me, ubuntu seems too bloated and way too many dependancies
07:31 AM XXCoder: yeah that seems to be common issue
07:31 AM XXCoder: I still wonder whats gpood distro
07:31 AM XXCoder: I like xfce mint so far
07:31 AM Jymmm: Oh you only need English, well too bad you're getting Hindo and 3000 dead languages too even if you'll never use them
07:32 AM Beaglebone: Hello! Are there any BeagleBone Black savvy around?
07:33 AM XXCoder: laters
07:33 AM Jymmm: Seeya sucker! Err I meant part-time sucker!
07:33 AM Beaglebone: ls
07:34 AM Jymmm: XXCoder: ^^^
07:40 AM Jymmm: jthornton: thanks, I'm DL mate 64 now
08:43 AM Jymmm: jthornton Running Mate64 in a VM as a LiveCD giving it 4GB isn't to bad at all.
08:47 AM nos: Has there been any surveys of industrial LinuxCNC users?
08:48 AM herry: Hi all!
08:48 AM nos: herro harry
08:48 AM herry: I have a problem with a "G0 Z5." command, which should retract the tool to 5mm above stock
08:48 AM nos: ~e
08:48 AM nos: yup
08:48 AM herry: Somehow the next line (X101.47 Y1.303) is executed while the tool still moves to Z5 and the cutter crashes into my part
08:49 AM nos: That's not right at all.
08:49 AM skunkworks: herry, look at G64Px.xxx
08:49 AM cradek: also check to make sure your machine accelerations are set correctly (they may be way too low)
08:49 AM skunkworks: What you are seeing is path blending. Without setting the P tolerance - linuxcnc cuts corners to keep up speed.
08:52 AM herry: OK, thank you
09:03 AM Jymmm: skunkworks: Wouldn't it be better to have that as an OPTIONAL enable, rather than the "default" ?
09:03 AM nos: This path blending stuff is really interesting...
09:04 AM gregcnc: Virtually every control has it by default, but it's in the paramters
09:04 AM gregcnc: and usually very tiny
09:04 AM Jymmm: gregcnc: say what?
09:04 AM gregcnc: path blending
09:04 AM Jymmm: gregcnc: Sure, but the "tiny" part?
09:05 AM gregcnc: very small tolerance
09:05 AM Jymmm: ah
09:05 AM Jymmm: Well, i guess in his case, not tiny enough
09:11 AM gregcnc: what is the default setting these days? just G64 or P something?
09:14 AM skunkworks: no tolerance..
09:17 AM gregcnc: so if acceleration is low, a lot of blending takes place
09:18 AM TurBoss: G64 P0.001
09:18 AM TurBoss: I use that
09:20 AM gregcnc: unit of measure matters, 0.001mm is less than my resolution
09:26 AM archivist_herron: but larger than a gnats cock
09:41 AM Jymmm: What is the name of that ss foil that you use to wrap tooling into before utting in a furnace?
09:41 AM jdh: ss foil
09:41 AM Jymmm: There's a more specific name for it though
09:42 AM archivist_herron: fred
09:42 AM Jymmm: Nope, not fred, nor bob
09:42 AM Jymmm: tool wrap?
09:42 AM gregcnc: https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/?searchterm=ss+foil&hdrsrh=true
09:43 AM gregcnc: not saran wrap or reynolds wrap
09:43 AM Jymmm: lol, tool wrap was what I was loking for - thank you =)
10:05 AM IchGucksLive: hi
10:06 AM TurBoss: hello
10:31 AM TurBoss: Hola JesusAlos
10:31 AM TurBoss: whats up?
10:53 AM IchGucksLive: TurBoss: less today ;-)
10:53 AM IchGucksLive: till later
11:42 AM LeelooMinai: Do you do anything special about the vise clampinf force? I mean do you do it by feel, or use a torque wrench maybe or some other means to know it's sane?
11:43 AM archivist: "sufficient"
11:43 AM SpeedEvil: LeelooMinai: torque it till the work crumples, then back off quarter turn
11:43 AM archivist: it slips if too little, it is crushed if too much
11:43 AM SpeedEvil: Slightly more seriously.
11:43 AM LeelooMinai: archivist: lol, that's like 0 information:)
11:44 AM archivist: milling tends to need "tight"
11:44 AM SpeedEvil: Know the amount of machining force you're going to be imparting, look at if there are positive retention features on the clamp, and then consider how much force you need to clamp it with so it won't slip
11:44 AM LeelooMinai: Yes, but when you have no experience, you need to rely on other things.
11:44 AM gregcnc: you'll have to learn from experience
11:45 AM SpeedEvil: then torque is approximately equal to clamping force for the vice
11:45 AM archivist: the vice handle supplied if used by the usual gorilla will be tight
11:45 AM LeelooMinai: gregcnc: Not if you do it for fun and will not mill tons of stuff in the future probably.
11:45 AM SpeedEvil: Try stuff like tapping with a mallet.
11:45 AM SpeedEvil: to get a feel.
11:45 AM SpeedEvil: (positive retention features = stuff like a v-groove to clamp round parts)
11:46 AM LeelooMinai: I wish a head a vise that can display force it's clamping with:)
11:46 AM LeelooMinai: I had*
11:46 AM SpeedEvil: LeelooMinai: you could use a torque wrench on the handle and get modestly accurate.
11:46 AM SpeedEvil: once you calibrate it
11:46 AM SpeedEvil: I'm not sure how useful that'd be.
11:47 AM gregcnc: yesterday i was milling plastic, finger tight on the vise would bend it
11:47 AM LeelooMinai: SpeedEvil: Right, I guess, could be ok, but it would be specific for that vise probably - that is relative, not any absolute figures.
11:47 AM gregcnc: so I opted for TLAR bending
11:48 AM SpeedEvil: http://www.appliedbolting.com/squirters.php - sort of related
11:48 AM SpeedEvil: Force indicating washers.
11:48 AM LeelooMinai: Right, I remember those from few days ago.
11:49 AM LeelooMinai: I bet there are some vises with force gauges - probably $$$$ and made by scary people like Rohm, etc.
11:49 AM gregcnc: not really, there are hydraulic and pneumatic types and you set the clamping pressure
11:50 AM gregcnc: thin parts are hard to hold without distortion
11:50 AM LeelooMinai: A, right, but that's probably as good, since they are probably specified in all dimensions, materials, etc. so you can get forces from that.
11:50 AM gregcnc: i've never heard of anyone doing it
11:50 AM LeelooMinai: Doing what? Using known forces?
11:51 AM archivist: you can get a small hydraulic cylinder to put in a vice to measure its force
11:51 AM gregcnc: usually it's up to the guy runinghte machine, and if he wastes too many parts on setup, he'll be looking for a new job, so there is incentive to learn the feel
11:51 AM SpeedEvil: Or you can use a known crushable thing
11:51 AM SpeedEvil: For example, measure how much force it takes to start to crush a 5mm cube of wood.
11:52 AM SpeedEvil: Now, starting to crush (evenly) a 50mm*50mm*5mm bit of the same wood will be 100* the force
11:52 AM LeelooMinai: SpeedEvil: E, or just squash a force metering something.
11:52 AM gregcnc: you look at other work holding methods if needed, vacuum, glue, ice
11:53 AM LeelooMinai: I have a hook scale, but that works only for extension, not compression.
11:53 AM SpeedEvil: yes. 1 ton force monitoring things that will fit into a vice are not simple though
11:54 AM LeelooMinai: SpeedEvil: Maybe one of those foce gagues - they are like pieces of metal with the gauge already on.
11:54 AM archivist: thing I have is 12 ton iirc, had a vice up to 4
11:54 AM KCJ is now known as hazzy
11:54 AM SpeedEvil: You can also do first principles.
11:55 AM LeelooMinai: Like this maybe: https://goo.gl/LRt87O
11:55 AM LeelooMinai: SpeedEvil: You mean calculate forces from dimensions?
11:56 AM SpeedEvil: 'the vice advances 1cm per turn, therefore at 1Nm the force will be ~6200N
11:56 AM LeelooMinai: Hmm, they are resurfacing a road by my house, and when the machine goes by I can feel the house moving...
11:56 AM SpeedEvil: This assumes a frictionless thread though
11:57 AM gregcnc: too many variables, the only time it will matter is when there is the potential to distort the part
11:57 AM LeelooMinai: I guess those hydraulic vises are more predictable.
11:58 AM SpeedEvil: The above method will give you a hard upper limit for the force the vice could be applying.
11:58 AM gregcnc: otherwise for secondary operations consistent clamping is important for tolerances
11:58 AM LeelooMinai: I guess with a vise that is hydraulic one could even automate it - dial in the pressure and it would close with the force one requested.
11:58 AM archivist: LeelooMinai, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NR-low-profile-compression-tension-wheel-style-Alloy-load-cell-weighing-sensor-/231657828199
11:58 AM SpeedEvil: But, the clamping force is not the thing you actually care about usually.
11:59 AM SpeedEvil: What you care about is the clamping force * friction coefficient in the axis you are going to be applying the load.
12:00 PM LeelooMinai: SpeedEvil: Well, but that you can know by the materials involved, more or less.
12:00 PM LeelooMinai: archivist: Neat, but bit expensive.
12:00 PM LeelooMinai: Though I guess finish on them will matter too - like polished alu vs rough one, etc.
12:00 PM SpeedEvil: Only with moderately involved calculations - by friction coefficient, I really mean something like effective friction force, taking into account leverage and vibration and ...
12:01 PM gregcnc: soon you'll have to most engineered machine that has never made anything
12:01 PM SpeedEvil: For example, if you press down on a 1m bar clamped in a vice in the middle of the vice, that's going to be quite hard to move.
12:01 PM SpeedEvil: If you press down on it at the far end, sticking out, ...
12:01 PM archivist: so most of us just use a longer spanner than the handle supplied with the vice
12:01 PM SpeedEvil: indeed
12:02 PM LeelooMinai: gregcnc: Well, yes, I do that with everything - more interested in the process than in doing it fast.
12:02 PM SpeedEvil: Or clamp until the jaws mark the part a little
12:02 PM archivist: gorilla tight :)
12:03 PM LeelooMinai: Another way would be clamping and then having a device on the side that will hit it with some force, and an idicator or something on the other side:)
12:04 PM gregcnc: i tend to forgot some people aren't actually trying to produce things
12:04 PM LeelooMinai: I would make terible practical machinist.
12:04 PM LeelooMinai: Would probably produce one part per year.
12:05 PM LeelooMinai: But it would be a tremendous part, the best part.
12:05 PM gregcnc: tha'ts the things parts don't need to be the best, just within tolerance
12:07 PM SpeedEvil: At some point the time you spend obsessing over how to fixture and ... you could have already done the job with a file, freehand.
12:07 PM LeelooMinai: gregcnc: I know, I am kidding - just most people here are doing it professionaly probably, and I am just playing with it in my bedroom, so it's sometimes funny how people assume things that are totally out of my goals:)
12:07 PM SpeedEvil: A file (or a set of files) especially with a little time, can be a great and precise tool.
12:08 PM LeelooMinai: Like I consider attaching my CNC stand to the wall, and I get - "just pour a lot of concrete there" :)
12:08 PM gregcnc: I never understood files until i began using them properly.
12:08 PM Loetmichel_: SpeedEvil: most parts i fix with a shopvac
12:08 PM LeelooMinai: Understood? I thought files file and that's it:p
12:09 PM gregcnc: the goal was reducing vibration, not creating wall art
12:09 PM Loetmichel_: so no obsessing ov er clamps and stuff
12:09 PM Loetmichel_: ... or i use CA to fix the part on the bed ;)
12:09 PM LeelooMinai: gregcnc: Yes, but I get vibration partly probably because the stand is not stiff... so, attaching it to the wall is not totally silly imo.
12:09 PM gregcnc: CA in bed sounds painful
12:09 PM archivist: clock makers pivot file, loads of money, gets a polish though
12:10 PM Loetmichel_: gregcnc: machine bed
12:10 PM Loetmichel_: on the sacrificial plate of the vacuum table to be precise
12:10 PM Loetmichel_: <- lazy dog
12:10 PM LeelooMinai: Well, a week ago I went to sleep and found something weird with my feet when falling asleep - it was a rench I forgot.
12:10 PM LeelooMinai: wrench*
12:10 PM Loetmichel_: :-)
12:11 PM Loetmichel_: sounds familiar
12:11 PM LeelooMinai: "That's weird, what is that... o just a wrench, no worries"
12:12 PM Loetmichel_: got chewed out by my wiefe more than once when she found the leatherman in bed because i "juuus a few minutes" fell in bed with the clothes on. and the button on the leather belt pouch of the tool is a bit worn
12:13 PM LeelooMinai: Loetmichel_: She should put an airlock between the bedroom and the rest of the house - like those decontamination chambers they have in movies:)
12:13 PM LeelooMinai: And a metal detector in the door frame.
12:15 PM Loetmichel_: that would not fit her whishes... i would simply sleep in my workshop then... and she had noone to scratch her back every evening.
12:16 PM Loetmichel_: s/had/would have
12:16 PM Loetmichel_: english tenses. my nemesis ,)
12:16 PM LeelooMinai: A, right, you are German, right?
12:17 PM Loetmichel_: yes
12:17 PM LeelooMinai: I am Polish - for me, I thinik the worst would be missing a/the all over the place, as in my language they just don't exist.
12:17 PM archivist: at least germans have the words in the right order, unlike the french
12:18 PM Loetmichel_: hrhr
12:18 PM Loetmichel_: not always
12:18 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, but germans have so long words they invented panoramic monitors.
12:18 PM Loetmichel_: our grammar is a lot more flexible than the english one
12:18 PM gregcnc: Polish also has gender on tenses do other languages also has this?
12:19 PM LeelooMinai: Well, the verbs are all modified by the gender involved.
12:19 PM gregcnc: even though english is my first language my typing is so bad
12:20 PM LeelooMinai: And those modifications would probably kill any English-speaking person:)
12:20 PM gregcnc: i've forgotten most of the german learned in high school
12:20 PM LeelooMinai: English-speaking people have it nice, all the need to lern is Chinese and they are coverd for the future:)
12:21 PM gregcnc: I speak Polish, but read and write is slower than slow
12:21 PM Loetmichel_: LeelooMinai: which corner of poland are you?
12:21 PM LeelooMinai: gregcnc: You parents got to England probably or something?
12:22 PM gregcnc: USA
12:22 PM LeelooMinai: Loetmichel_: South - I guess I am close to being a "highlinder" - close to mountains, etc.
12:22 PM Loetmichel_: near germany or far end?
12:23 PM LeelooMinai: No, the middle south - near Chechoslovakia, or what it is now.
12:23 PM Loetmichel_: <- is pretty much a central german, but i know a few "eastern germany residents" that speak polish pretty well
12:23 PM Loetmichel_: i dont understand a word tho
12:23 PM gregcnc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=932AJzh6ifk
12:24 PM LeelooMinai: Loetmichel_: Fortunatelly knowing Polish is not really a useful skill:)
12:26 PM LeelooMinai: gregcnc: Those are highlinders, yes:) They do not really speak "normally", like you would hear on TV, etc.
12:26 PM Loetmichel_: so the "rednecks" of poland?
12:27 PM gregcnc: yes, my fathers explains to people as polish hillbillies
12:27 PM Loetmichel_: and i even understood a word in that video: "kruzifix" ;)
12:29 PM LeelooMinai: They are a bit less negative than "rednecks" I think - they are more like people who live with some old traditions. Imo redneck implies a lot of negativity:)
12:30 PM Loetmichel_: not neccessarily negativity, more like stupidity ;)
12:30 PM LeelooMinai: Right, and stupidity is a positive thing:p
12:31 PM Loetmichel_: can be?
12:31 PM Loetmichel_: at least they are proverbally more brave than intelligent ;)
12:31 PM gregcnc: no different than any population
12:32 PM LeelooMinai: Cannot really thing of one example now... Maybe Forrest Gump? :)
12:32 PM LeelooMinai: think*
12:34 PM Loetmichel_: LeelooMinai: i never met one. i can only quote the stereotypes
12:34 PM LeelooMinai: Loetmichel_: You can meet a lot on youtube comments, etc.:)
12:34 PM MacGalempsy: hello
12:34 PM Loetmichel_: <. refuses to visit a country where trump can get presidency legally
12:34 PM MacGalempsy: we prefer you not visiting
12:36 PM LeelooMinai: Loetmichel_: Mentioning Trump you will polarize people in two groups towards you pretty quickly - that's what I learned on IRC:)
12:36 PM Loetmichel_: MacGalempsy: so that fits well together ;)
12:36 PM Loetmichel_: LeelooMinai: that was more or less the intention of that comment. at least you now have a perfect example of a redneck
12:36 PM Loetmichel_: ;-)
12:37 PM Loetmichel_: s/redneck/stereotypical redneck: trump
12:37 PM LeelooMinai: Loetmichel_: Right, that's true too - its a good litmus test I guess.
12:39 PM MacGalempsy: I find my southern roots not a factor.
12:39 PM gregcnc: what's for lunch?
12:39 PM MacGalempsy: I find the alternative choice was fraudulent
12:39 PM LeelooMinai: When I was small, I thought that in 2020 world will be full of technology and happy wise people - now I am a bit confused looking around:)
12:39 PM MacGalempsy: probably because you cant look away from the mirror
12:39 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:40 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: I don't have a mirror:p
12:40 PM MacGalempsy: gregcnc is it lunch time already?
12:40 PM FinboySlick: It'd be sort of weird otherwise for the quintessential New-Yorker Trump to appeal to 'redneck' southern boys.
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: Loetmichel_: can get presidency legally I dont Think it is leagel ballet value
12:41 PM gregcnc: yeah i'm starving pastrami sandwich with saurkraut sounds good
12:41 PM LeelooMinai: From what I understand, he trolled those people with absurd promises, and then did the reverse more or less.
12:41 PM gregcnc: don't they all?
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: gregcnc: here in Ramstein there is the berst pastramie
12:42 PM FinboySlick: They all do indeed. I'm not from the US but given the choice of two assholes, I'd have picked the dumb one too ;)
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: gregcnc: as 20k US soldiers like them
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: gregcnc: also use pulled pork
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: with sausce
12:43 PM gregcnc: well i have pastrami
12:43 PM FinboySlick: gregcnc: Ever had montreal smokedmeat sandwich?
12:43 PM Loetmichel_: FinboySlick: problem most german have with him is that he is considered mad enough to actually use the red button
12:43 PM gregcnc: no
12:43 PM FinboySlick: If you like pastrami, you'd probably love it.
12:43 PM Loetmichel_: with hillary we at least knew that she wouldnt dare.
12:44 PM FinboySlick: Loetmichel_: Honestly, I'm pretty sure they're both equally mad when it comes to that.
12:44 PM LeelooMinai: FinboySlick: I don't know... It's like having to choose between a bad pilot and a monkey to fly F-16 - I think I would go with the pilot since there waould be some chance it would not crash the plane:>
12:45 PM Loetmichel_: LeelooMinai: dont underestimate monkeys ;)
12:45 PM LeelooMinai: Right, should add "monkey with a blindfold" to make it more appropriate.
12:45 PM gregcnc: havn't you seen project X
12:45 PM FinboySlick: Either way. It is what it is now :P
12:47 PM LeelooMinai: * jumps into a vulcano*
12:47 PM * Jymmm grabs the masrshmellows
12:50 PM CaptHindsight: Idiocracy has been pretty much on track so far...
12:50 PM CaptHindsight: http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/332729-dwayne-the-rock-johnson-real-possibility-that-ill-run-for
12:50 PM CaptHindsight: can't wait
12:50 PM LeelooMinai: Well, that would be improvment imo - I mean he is much saner, no? :)
12:51 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGUNPMPrxvA
12:53 PM LeelooMinai: Right, isn't it funny... I used to watch a show called House of Cards where they have a bit over the top conniving president as the main character - now they have a problem, because he looks like a good president there...
12:53 PM LeelooMinai: ... so no point of watching it, since there are news:)
12:53 PM CaptHindsight: does anyone go to these traveling shows? http://www.d2p.com/
12:54 PM gregcnc: i was going to go
12:54 PM Loetmichel_: CaptHindsight: really? dwayne for president?
12:54 PM Loetmichel_: THAT would be awesome ;)
12:54 PM gregcnc: Mmmm kapusta
12:55 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: there's usually a free bar at the end of day 1
12:55 PM LeelooMinai: Well, Arnold was in charge of California, so why not...
12:55 PM gregcnc: that's today
12:55 PM MacGalempsy: is the D2P mostly just job shops with engineers or patent trolls?
12:55 PM CaptHindsight: Loetmichel_: it's been on the news lately, more PR stunt than anything real yet
12:56 PM CaptHindsight: but I think the The Rock and Oprah could pull it off in 2020
12:56 PM Loetmichel_: CaptHindsight: idiocracy is right on track for sure ;)
12:56 PM MacGalempsy: the rock is a conservative, why would he run with oprah?
12:56 PM CaptHindsight: to win
12:56 PM Loetmichel_: MacGalempsy: against
12:56 PM CaptHindsight: 3rd party, the POP Party
12:56 PM LeelooMinai: CaptHindsight: I don't thin Oprah would stand a chance - too many misogynist and racist would go crazy against her.
12:57 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: heading over there later
12:57 PM CaptHindsight: MacGalempsy: the one here is mostly service providers
12:57 PM gregcnc: i don't think i registered
12:58 PM Loetmichel_: i would REALLY like to see kevin spacey rin for presidency
12:58 PM Loetmichel_: run
12:58 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: you can walk up at any time and it's free
12:58 PM Loetmichel_: just for the "underwood effect" ;)
12:58 PM CaptHindsight: I've ben with people that just asked to walk around without registering
12:58 PM CaptHindsight: ben/been
12:58 PM MacGalempsy: I still dont understand the european infatuation with US politics. why cant they talk about their own systems?
12:59 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: Are you kidding?
12:59 PM gregcnc: ah yeah, I swear last year i tried day of and the website wanted money
12:59 PM CaptHindsight: MacGalempsy: since the US gets involved in theirs, why not
12:59 PM Loetmichel_: MacGalempsy: because our own systems are boring predictable
01:00 PM MacGalempsy: that is what I was thinking, but did not want to say
01:00 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: still free http://www.d2p.com/2017-chicago-manufacturing-trade-show
01:00 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: If you did not notice, US made a reality show from politics, so why now complain people watch it for amusement:)
01:00 PM Loetmichel_: "mama merkel" will stay in that job until she finds a suitable successor ;)
01:02 PM CaptHindsight: the media dramatized the recent French election
01:02 PM MacGalempsy: the infatuation surpasses amusement though. it is angst
01:02 PM LeelooMinai: Media dramatizes everything - that's what they do.
01:02 PM Loetmichel_: and thats actually a good thing. not that i like her that much but she does a decent enough job, and isnt a nutcase. thats a lot these days if you look around the world
01:02 PM CaptHindsight: looks like every election will now involve hacking
01:02 PM MacGalempsy: the media dramatizes US politics
01:02 PM Loetmichel_: france, netherlands, north korea...
01:03 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: They don't really need dramatization at this point though - stand on their own fine.
01:03 PM CaptHindsight: FCC hacking, Russia ties, alternate facts, low on burrito wrappers etc
01:03 PM MacGalempsy: i disagree
01:04 PM MacGalempsy: the news speaks too much in subjective conditionals. could, would should, etc.. there is barely any news anymore
01:04 PM CaptHindsight: anything fun on poopstarter lately?
01:04 PM gregcnc: i haven't checked kickstarter fro a while
01:05 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.crowdsupply.com/arsenijs/zerophone oohh $50 smartphone
01:05 PM CaptHindsight: case not included
01:05 PM MacGalempsy: gregcnc did you figure out your retirement maker yet for your second million?
01:05 PM CaptHindsight: only 3" thick :)
01:05 PM gregcnc: no, lol
01:05 PM MacGalempsy: i saw the fidget patent expired
01:06 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.crowdsupply.com/plugg-ee-labs/juicyboard only raised ~$6k
01:07 PM CaptHindsight: yet this raised $245K https://www.crowdsupply.com/krtkl/snickerdoodle
01:09 PM LeelooMinai: Well, that's at least reasonable project. Far worst weird things got millions of dollars.
01:09 PM CaptHindsight: it's a Zynq board for ~$100
01:09 PM LeelooMinai: Yes, but at least it's not a woter purifying bottle that does not work:)
01:09 PM LeelooMinai: water*
01:10 PM LeelooMinai: But this name - I somehow find it a bit silly.
01:12 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jellyphone/jelly-the-smallest-4g-smartphone?ref=category_popular
01:12 PM CaptHindsight: tiny smartphone, so small battery
01:13 PM LeelooMinai: 26 days to go - I think they will make it:)
01:13 PM CaptHindsight: 2.4" screen
01:14 PM CaptHindsight: if you have 20/20 you'll need a magnifier to read it
01:14 PM LeelooMinai: But all you need is to display 0-9 digits imo:)
01:15 PM CaptHindsight: but for $80 and if it's unlocked I'd get one
01:17 PM MacGalempsy: i saw nokia was bringing out the candybar phone again, but not in the US :(
01:18 PM CaptHindsight: whenever I look for a phone the US model lacks dual SIM
01:18 PM CaptHindsight: I wonder what their fear is of having dual SIM in the US
01:19 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: I think that has a lot to do with US carriers locking the phone.
01:19 PM gregcnc: right locked phones don't need it
01:19 PM CaptHindsight: fear of lost profit and control
01:19 PM gregcnc: i wonder how much longer that will last
01:19 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: My next phone, I want dual SIM's. I miss that in my last phone.
01:19 PM Jymmm: gregcnc: Law now makes it they have to unlock upon request post contract.
01:20 PM CaptHindsight: I've been buying my phones off-shore for a while
01:20 PM gregcnc: i mean contracts and all
01:20 PM CaptHindsight: I just started finding dual sim and unlocked here just in the past few years
01:20 PM Jymmm: gregcnc: Well, that's your option, and usually includes a "free phone". Most don't get it that you can buy a phone free and outright and use whereever
01:20 PM CaptHindsight: Blu and a few other ChinaCo brands
01:21 PM gregcnc: it's easy to sell 700USD phones on a 2 year term
01:22 PM MacGalempsy: yep. notice the price has always been about 700?
01:22 PM Jymmm: Well, what's nice for me using dual sim is that I have a legacy pre-paid account now, so it only cost me $100 a YEAR for voice. But if the few tiems I may want data, I can pop in a 2nd sim and use that for data only for whenever needed
01:23 PM MacGalempsy: that sounds good. where do you get 100 voice?
01:23 PM CaptHindsight: unlocked a pre-rooted are ~$1k
01:24 PM Jymmm: MacGalempsy: Well, MINE is legacy, so as long as I refill yearly, it's $100, or actualy minially $10/year. But now it's $3/mo use it or lose it.
01:24 PM Jymmm: My backup phone/account I pay $10/year
01:24 PM MacGalempsy: tht is how they like to do it. I cannot wait until the day I dont have to have a phone any longer
01:25 PM MacGalempsy: until 2006 I did not have a cell, and it was nice
01:25 PM Jymmm: MacGalempsy: Well, no moe pay phones, so having a phone is a necessaity, plus being able to call and aks is nice.
01:26 PM MacGalempsy: true. even vonage is like $50 a month
01:27 PM MacGalempsy: I dropped that after work from the house ended
01:27 PM Jymmm: MacGalempsy: If ou already have an unlocked phone, just get a tmobile prepaid SIM card kit, then a $100 refill card and your' good for about 1000 minutes.
01:27 PM MacGalempsy: I still have 18 months on my current plan
01:28 PM MacGalempsy: somehow they changed it from renting the phone to buying it somewhere in the middle of our term
01:28 PM MacGalempsy: or maybe they pulled a switcharoo while signing up
01:28 PM Jymmm: MacGalempsy: https://www.amazon.com/T-Mobile-Prepaid-Complete-SIM-Kit/dp/B00LPPHHFK
01:29 PM MacGalempsy: Jymmm: I have a couple of unlocked phones, but going to stick with this ATT for a bit, they did just hook us up with "unlimited" 22gb per phone
01:29 PM Jymmm: MacGalempsy: Tehn you get a refill card from anywhere locally... CVS, walmart, 7-eleven, grocery store, etc
01:29 PM CaptHindsight: heh Closed Loop https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1264281478/industrial-3d-printer-closed-loop-open-source-soft?ref=category
01:30 PM MacGalempsy: the reason for staying with it is now that I am working on the rig again, I like to have some data for the boring times
01:30 PM Jymmm: MacGalempsy: Well, you asked, so I told =) I've been doing this for 10 years or so
01:30 PM MacGalempsy: I do appreciate that info and will keep it in mind in the future
01:30 PM CaptHindsight: "Closed loop motor control systems are typically very expensive. These systems typically require unique software packages that can also be very expensive. "
01:30 PM CaptHindsight: I have to look into this :)
01:31 PM MacGalempsy: these days it seems to be trying to find an ultimate method of total disconnection
01:31 PM Jymmm: MacGalempsy: You just added data to your cell plan, I think that's just the opposite =)
01:31 PM Jymmm: MacGalempsy: I have no data
01:31 PM IchGucksLive: i got a new VID https://youtu.be/b3vsCzEXhoo
01:31 PM Jymmm: MacGalempsy: just voice and text.
01:32 PM IchGucksLive: ok its german first as a request i will make a EN vewrsion
01:33 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: That reminds me of that video "Disconnect" with the Rollins guy:)
01:34 PM CaptHindsight: a German accent with redneck vocabulary could be quite humorous
01:35 PM LeelooMinai: How about a French accent and redneck talk? :p
01:35 PM Jymmm: Loetmichel_: but youll lose the redneck accent =)
01:36 PM LeelooMinai: MacGalempsy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KANoVk5CgQ :)
01:38 PM IchGucksLive: CaptHindsight: born in FL raised in NY living in DE
01:41 PM MacGalempsy: I took the head for the FJ40 in for surfacing and magnafluxing.
01:41 PM gregcnc: "Foundations of Mechanical Accuracy" looks like fun reading
01:42 PM MacGalempsy: the dopes that replaced the manifold a while back did not even look at the mating surface... retards
01:42 PM MacGalempsy: and they stripped out the threads on the intake manifold...
01:43 PM MacGalempsy: luckily, I had a backup intake manifold that they did not use, but were supposed to
01:46 PM roycroft: interesting title, gregcnc
01:46 PM roycroft: unfortunately i can't afford it:
01:46 PM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/Foundations-Mechanical-Accuracy-Moore/dp/0262130807/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1494440140&sr=1-2&keywords=Foundations+of+Mechanical+Accuracy
01:47 PM * roycroft always gets a good chuckle out of the prices of some of those technical books
01:47 PM roycroft: especially since they can often be had new elsewhere for a song
01:48 PM roycroft: still expensive, but i found it brand new for $150:
01:48 PM roycroft: http://mooretool.com/publications.html
01:49 PM JesusAlos: TurBoss: Sorry, I'm not allways online
01:49 PM JesusAlos: Hola
01:49 PM MacGalempsy: que ondas?
01:50 PM CaptHindsight: MacGalempsy: they sound like the avergae shop
01:50 PM CaptHindsight: average even
01:51 PM CaptHindsight: the one thing they manage to be able to do is add up a big bill
01:52 PM CaptHindsight: reminds me that I have to look for a tire machine
01:52 PM CaptHindsight: I can't even find anyone to do that right anymore
01:53 PM MacGalempsy: yeah. this time I pulled it apart myself. overall it looks pretty good for a 47yo engine
01:53 PM CaptHindsight: mounting and balancing seem to not include cleaning the inside of the rim where the bead mates or using a bead sealer
01:54 PM MacGalempsy: why use stickons?
01:55 PM CaptHindsight: and balancing is whatever the balancer says, nevermind that the tire shakes when over 60 mph
01:55 PM sync: why would you try to seal the bead? I never had one not seal
01:55 PM sync: unless I cracked the rim
01:55 PM MacGalempsy: my grandfather once showed me that lining the dot up with the valvestem actually decreased the number of weights required
01:55 PM CaptHindsight: slow leaks from a dirty,scratched, etc rim
01:56 PM sync: MacGalempsy: I mark the high spot on all of my motorcycle rims
01:56 PM CaptHindsight: I have tires that don't need air every few weeks
01:56 PM sync: for cars I don't care so much
01:58 PM CaptHindsight: it's usually not the valve but the bead that leaks slowly
01:58 PM MacGalempsy: well, I guess its time for spring cleaning in the garage. its chaos out there... bbiab
02:00 PM IchGucksLive: Gn8
02:05 PM CaptHindsight: looks like the French expected hacking attacks and set traps
02:05 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/world/europe/hackers-came-but-the-french-were-prepared.html?_r=0
02:06 PM CaptHindsight: it's a like spy movie plot
02:21 PM Cromaglious_: still futzing with my wifi routers....
02:32 PM Loetmichel_: sooo... 10 feet of twine, an awl, a bit of contact glue to seal the sewn seams and 3 xxl spray cans of canvas waterproofing later i only have to zip in the new rear window and then i can drive the E36 open AND closed again. :-) (WHAT a stink that spray is though)
02:34 PM FinboySlick: http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/teaching_math.jpg
02:36 PM Loetmichel_: FinboySlick: same is circulating in german
02:37 PM Loetmichel_: and i think in every other language ;)
02:37 PM FinboySlick: Even more sad that it's a global phenomenon then.
02:37 PM Loetmichel_: its usually a farmer in the german version and some monoculture wheat though
03:45 PM Simonious: Can G0 take a feedrate?
03:48 PM Todd_Z: Not in Linuxcnc.
03:51 PM _methods: why would you want to give G0 a feedrate?
03:51 PM _methods: just out of curiosity
03:59 PM Deejay: gn8
04:03 PM XXCoder: g0 = max possible. no feedrate needed. want feedrate? use g1
04:05 PM roycroft: folks, soon i'll be able to mount my lathe on its new stand
04:06 PM XXCoder: awesome
04:06 PM roycroft: my precision machinists level is accurate to 0.005"/ft, which seems a bit coarse
04:06 PM roycroft: but it's only important to level across the x axis
04:06 PM roycroft: and the ways are only 4" or so apart
04:06 PM roycroft: so maybe it's good enough
04:06 PM roycroft: i can get a super precision level that's accurate to 0.0005"/ft
04:07 PM roycroft: but those are pricey and my money would be much better spent on other things right now
04:07 PM roycroft: is the one i have going to be ok?
04:08 PM * roycroft just finished shooting color on the first side of the last piece, and may be able to shoot the other side tonight
05:18 PM roycroft: were that i had a big shop that needed to be filled up
05:18 PM roycroft: https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/tls/6125777180.html
05:53 PM Cromaglious_: giving up on removing broekn tap... just going to drill and tap a new hole
05:54 PM roycroft: i got a 6-32 tap out a couple weeks ago
05:54 PM roycroft: it's rare i get a broken tap out easily
05:55 PM roycroft: but it was in thin metal, and i was able to tap it with a punch until it backed out just enough to grab it with some side cutters and carefully twist it out
06:59 PM MacGalempsy: miss me?
07:00 PM JT-Shop: flew the Tweaker 5" today :)
07:00 PM MacGalempsy: sweetness. any vid?
07:01 PM JT-Shop: just a short flight to get the autotune data
07:01 PM JT-Shop: it does fly nice
07:01 PM MacGalempsy: how did it corner?
07:01 PM JT-Shop: just some hovering today
07:02 PM JT-Shop: first flight you know kinda careful
07:03 PM MacGalempsy: for sure. so now that you have autotune data. what do you do next?
07:03 PM JT-Shop: you use that to adjust the pids
07:03 PM MacGalempsy: is it a one time tune, or do you do is for successive finer tunes?
07:04 PM JT-Shop: if you change something you prob should run autotune again
07:04 PM JT-Shop: need to cobble up a fpb monitor mount for the Taranis
07:05 PM MacGalempsy: you should check out the EVO VR adapter for a smartphone. I picked one up from TJ MAxx for $16
07:06 PM roycroft: the pid controllers i use for my brew system (and other things) run through the tuning cycle 3 times while autotuning
07:06 PM roycroft: they're dialed in pretty well by the time they're done
07:07 PM JT-Shop: dronin autotune takes 60 long seconds lol
07:07 PM roycroft: auto-tuning my brew system pids takes at least a couple hours
07:08 PM roycroft: but i'm heating 50+ liters of water to a set value
07:08 PM roycroft: it cools off 10 degrees c
07:08 PM roycroft: ramps up to sv again
07:08 PM JT-Shop: yea but your not trying to hover a quad while it wobbles about lol
07:08 PM roycroft: and repeates that cycle once more
07:08 PM roycroft: no, i'm drinking beer :)
07:08 PM * JT-Shop wanders inside
07:12 PM * TurBoss started compilation of linuxcnc on bananapi
07:20 PM Crom: hmmm there's a use for my A64+ pine
07:21 PM TurBoss: using armbian built using a script
07:24 PM gregcnc: $30 ebay mitutoyo digital mic showed up and even works
07:31 PM MacGalempsy: double bonus
07:47 PM Vitran: So, just finished stripping the Fanuc 6T from my Hardinge Superslant
07:47 PM gregcnc: did it not work?
07:47 PM Vitran: Knowing that I have to put all those wires back doesn't sit well inside. So many wires
07:47 PM Vitran: The PLC was dead
07:48 PM Vitran: The secondary plc was stuck in e-stop mode. I did a bunch of digging and asked for help on Practical Machinist but it has been 6 months and no sign of fixing the PLC
07:49 PM Vitran: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/bridgeport-and-hardinge-mills-and-lathes/hardinge-superslant-alarm-2008-x-axis-break-328035/index3.html#post2925709
07:52 PM Crom: gregcnc, is it real or fake?
07:53 PM gregcnc: i don't think there are many fake mics, most fakes are calipers
07:58 PM CaptHindsight: mine made of rubber, pretty sure it's not fake :)
08:03 PM Crom: mic... didn't catch that...
08:22 PM Crom: I got my touch probe today http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Cnc-Z-Axis-Router-Mill-Touch-Plate-Mach3-Tool-Setting-Probe-Milling-DIY-Hot-/16198743695
08:24 PM Crom: base is really hard plastic... having trouble scratching it
08:42 PM Crom: thinking about turning it in the lathe to put a 4mm deep groove around it for holding it down
08:45 PM andypugh: Sticky magnet on the bottom?
09:36 PM TurBoss: I'm having high latencies
09:36 PM TurBoss: 80k
09:36 PM TurBoss: can the system be tweaked?
09:36 PM TurBoss: this is a banana pi
09:36 PM TurBoss: A20 1Ghz 1Gb ram
09:36 PM TurBoss: using 3.4 rt kernel preemt rt
09:38 PM TurBoss: Linux bananapi 3.4.113-rt136-sun7i #2 SMP PREEMPT RT Thu May 11 00:04:55 CEST 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux
09:38 PM TurBoss: linuxcnc 2.8 from sources
09:51 PM TurBoss: Ok i did ulimit 20480 and isolcpus now i'm at 32k
09:51 PM TurBoss: not sure if much more can be done
10:38 PM LeelooMinai: Crom: lol @ the price. Did you look inside to see how it works?