#linuxcnc Logs
May 07 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:08 AM TurBoss: does anyone here use nativecam with lcnc (run in place)
12:11 AM TurBoss: ?
12:15 AM Crom: been trying to...
12:15 AM TurBoss: oh
12:16 AM Crom: been having to work on other things
12:17 AM Crom: I got NCAM to deck a piece of delrin Polyethalene
12:17 AM TurBoss: https://m.imgur.com/CERw36V
12:17 AM TurBoss: touch probe WIP
12:22 AM Crom: nice... it's a pain soldering wire to the balls
12:22 AM TurBoss: no...
12:23 AM Crom: almost easier to make some brass shims to screw to the base that hold the balls in
12:24 AM TurBoss: https://m.imgur.com/TAA9Vmc
12:24 AM Crom: the shim which needs to be split, you use 2 screws in each side, and you can solder the wires to the shim halves, then cut it
12:25 AM TurBoss: I have 8 balls so I did a test on the one shown in the pic
12:25 AM Crom: you have better fluz then I do
12:25 AM TurBoss: hahahha
12:25 AM TurBoss: :D
12:25 AM TurBoss: I have a flux pen
12:25 AM TurBoss: and a the solder wire (don't know the name in english) has flux too
12:26 AM TurBoss: -a
12:26 AM Crom: ... I was thinking to register the tribar to have a groove in the side of your grey plastic to keepp it from spinning...
12:26 AM TurBoss: tribar?
12:26 AM Crom: so one leg is longer
12:26 AM TurBoss: ah
12:26 AM Crom: probe holder
12:26 AM TurBoss: ok
12:26 AM TurBoss: the Y
12:27 AM * TurBoss moves to machine room
12:27 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: back
12:28 AM XXCoder: boo
12:28 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: :D
12:28 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: whats boo?
12:28 AM XXCoder: opposite of cheering lol
12:28 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: SUP XXCoder?
12:28 AM XXCoder: not much
12:28 AM XXCoder: you?
12:29 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: trying to integrate ncam to a runinplace lcnc
12:29 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: 2.8pre from sources
12:30 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: I have finished my dro display with speed and derection in a led bar
12:32 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: https://m.imgur.com/1MZEKNZ
12:32 AM XXCoder: interesting
12:32 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: greens for <- reds for ->
01:05 AM Crom: http://imgur.com/Ofo0j80
01:06 AM Crom: might want to register 2 legs in a slightly wider groove
01:07 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: hm,mmm
01:07 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: no idea
01:07 AM XXCoder: TurBoss_at_cnc: green for <-- red for --> not too sure what you meant
01:15 AM Crom: TurBoss: another thought... bit easier to do... get nylon threaded stand offs and put them on either side of a bar. http://www.ebay.com/itm/M3-8-6mm-Black-Nylon-Threaded-Hex-male-Female-Standoff-Spacer-50pcs-New-/292104382778
01:17 AM TurBoss: XXCoder I mean that if machine goes left green leds light up and if goes right red ones
01:17 AM XXCoder: ahh
01:22 AM Crom: They could also be used to keep the bottom and top together.
01:30 AM IchGucksLive: good morning from germany
01:31 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: Hio
01:31 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: good morning its morning o'clock
01:31 AM IchGucksLive: TurBoss what do the led Show
01:32 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: the current velocity and direction
01:33 AM IchGucksLive: and why do you need this on DRO
01:33 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: of each axis
01:33 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: or joint
01:33 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: no idea
01:33 AM IchGucksLive: the blocks are they 2numbers on one or eatch number a block
01:34 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: ?
01:34 AM IchGucksLive: the Matrx
01:34 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: sorry don't understand
01:34 AM IchGucksLive: 6 Blocks
01:34 AM IchGucksLive: r 3 blocks per axis
01:35 AM IchGucksLive: why dident you mill the case
01:35 AM IchGucksLive: it seams like raw sawblade
01:36 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: I did but not the last 0.5 milimeters
01:36 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: plastic was causing problems...
01:36 AM IchGucksLive: tip for mext use a wood sheed inside
01:37 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: it was obstructind the flutes
01:37 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: *obstructing
01:37 AM IchGucksLive: First drill then Mill
01:37 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: ohhh
01:38 AM IchGucksLive: is there a arduino inside
01:38 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: teensy ++ 2.0
01:38 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: at 1000000bps
01:38 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: :D
01:39 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: the 7segments are from weight measurement instruments
01:40 AM XXCoder: hey ich
01:40 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
01:40 AM XXCoder: ich I found out npn sensor I have ith me max out at 100 Hz
01:40 AM XXCoder: so it wouldnt work. I bought a sensor that will work up to 1KHz
01:40 AM IchGucksLive: TurBoss_at_cnc: so the segment line is one block
01:40 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: Y
01:41 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: yea
01:41 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: *yes!
01:41 AM IchGucksLive: controled by serrial
01:41 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: as i said
01:41 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: each line plus the led are one 7921
01:41 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: max 7921
01:41 AM XXCoder: previosuly I wasnt sure as I could not find the orginial item i bought. I ound and now know for sure,
01:43 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: sorry the led driver is a max7219
01:43 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: I'm currently using usb but I want to buy a max232 the move to rs232
01:43 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: I have 5 ports
01:44 AM XXCoder: you guys know any software that can convert 3d model thats in BIN format
01:44 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: checking...
01:44 AM IchGucksLive: 3dsmax
01:45 AM IchGucksLive: you can try mashlab
01:45 AM IchGucksLive: meshlab
01:45 AM IchGucksLive: it has a bin filter
01:45 AM XXCoder: linux?
01:45 AM IchGucksLive: and can export to varius
01:45 AM IchGucksLive: yes
01:45 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: some blender plugin?
01:45 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: :D
01:45 AM IchGucksLive: its in thr repros
01:46 AM XXCoder: installing
01:47 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: is the modell online for tsting
01:47 AM XXCoder: I can upload somewhere. unfortunately meshlab dont seem able to import *.BIN files
01:50 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: RealFlow Binary Mesh*.BIN ?
01:52 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: http://realflow.render.jp/ ?¿
01:53 AM XXCoder: IchGucksLive: https://www.sendspace.com/file/nirogs
01:53 AM IchGucksLive: i think its a pointcloud format with bin
01:53 AM XXCoder: its pretty old file, 1995
01:53 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: do you got a picture of the modell that is inside
01:53 AM XXCoder: sure a second
01:54 AM XXCoder: http://legacy.3drealms.com/tv/images/tvplanet.jpg
01:54 AM XXCoder: the hip
01:54 AM XXCoder: *ship
01:54 AM * TurBoss is trying with the blender plugin
01:54 AM jbail89: Hi guys, I'm having issues with my configuration and I was hoping maybe someone could help?
01:54 AM XXCoder: dunno ask away
01:54 AM IchGucksLive: if jbail89 shure
01:55 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: this is a pov render
01:55 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: http://www.trekmeshes.ch/
01:56 AM XXCoder: it's not star trek shi[
01:56 AM jbail89: I'm doing a CNC conversion on my G0704; I am using a C10 board, X,Y Axis - CCK 5560(DM556) with NEMA 24 motors CCK Z Axis - CCK 7560 with a NEMA 34
01:57 AM jbail89: http://cnc4pc.com/Tech_Docs/1_C10R10.PDF I am currently wired according to this diagram
01:57 AM jbail89: My motors lock under power(or have resistance, unsure of terminology) but they do not respond to jog under any condition
01:58 AM XXCoder: enabled means it would lock in position
01:58 AM jbail89: I have my step time/space direction hold/setup configured according to http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Drive_Timing
01:58 AM XXCoder: it dont work with go or g1 commands?
01:58 AM IchGucksLive: did you reduce speed aceleration to a min
01:59 AM jbail89: I have had my acceleration very low but I have not tried like 1mm/s or anything like that; is that worth trying?
02:00 AM jbail89: XXCoder: I have not tried that, I was using the job buttons in the stepconf and the main linuxcnc program; I am very new to this
02:00 AM XXCoder: http://legacy.3drealms.com/tv/images/tvadart.jpg IchGucksLive the ship pictured
02:00 AM IchGucksLive: if on mm
02:00 AM IchGucksLive: jbail89: use 20mm velocity and 40 acceleration
02:01 AM jbail89: Will do, I'll be back in just a few
02:01 AM IchGucksLive: jbail89: did you check the signal in DIRECTION with a multimeter
02:02 AM Crom: C10 board, which one is that?
02:03 AM TurBoss: the one from cnc4u no?
02:03 AM Crom: oh that one...
02:03 AM Crom: or cnc4pc
02:03 AM jbail89: IchGucksLive: I did not, would I be checking DIR+ from the driver?
02:04 AM jbail89: Yes, the c10 board from cnc4pc
02:04 AM IchGucksLive: jbail89: first you need to know is siognals pass
02:04 AM Crom: doesn't look isolated at all...
02:04 AM Crom: oh they're on the bottom
02:05 AM IchGucksLive: jbail89: dmesg | grep parp*
02:05 AM IchGucksLive: put this in a terminal if the parport adress is ok
02:06 AM jbail89: I checked my wiring and continuity with a multimeter but I don't know how I would check for signal; looking for voltage changes +-5v?
02:06 AM IchGucksLive: yes
02:06 AM IchGucksLive: only on DIR
02:06 AM jbail89: I'll run that dmesg and change the velocity to 20mm /40mm acc; I'll be right back the machine is in the garage
02:06 AM Crom: it'll look something like this:
02:07 AM Crom: [ 11.738079] parport_pc 00:03: reported by Plug and Play ACPI
02:07 AM Crom: [ 11.738210] parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE,EPP]
02:07 AM Crom: [ 11.832350] lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven).
02:07 AM IchGucksLive: parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE]
02:07 AM Crom: I think I like my BOB better...
02:08 AM Crom: it has JST-XH connectors for driver boards
02:08 AM IchGucksLive: Crom: the mach3 5axis
02:08 AM IchGucksLive: yeah that is the cool one
02:09 AM IchGucksLive: as i discribed here https://youtu.be/o1pOKM-xk5I
02:09 AM Crom: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-NEW-5-Axis-CNC-Breakout-Board-for-Stepper-Driver-Controller-MACH3-/172615054214
02:09 AM IchGucksLive: ;-)
02:09 AM XXCoder: IchGucksLive: figured it?
02:09 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: still working on it
02:09 AM IchGucksLive: oh yea
02:09 AM Crom: raining... heavy for first time today
02:10 AM Crom: been drizzly all day
02:10 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: do you share your info on How
02:10 AM XXCoder: how to do what?
02:10 AM IchGucksLive: the bin
02:10 AM XXCoder: ah its extracted from old game data file
02:11 AM IchGucksLive: so its only plane teture
02:11 AM Crom: nite all... my sweety has left the left the living room...
02:11 AM XXCoder: texture is RAW files
02:11 AM XXCoder: BIN is the 3d model itself
02:11 AM XXCoder: later Crom
02:11 AM IchGucksLive: there comes the CNC
02:12 AM TurBoss: http://www.greentoken.de/onlineconv/ this didn't managed to convert
02:12 AM IchGucksLive: jbail89-garage: is it a mill
02:12 AM jbail89-garage: No change with the velocity/acceleration
02:12 AM jbail89-garage: https://pastebin.com/yB7Zz2ZT dmesg output
02:12 AM jbail89-garage: IchGucksLive: yes it is
02:12 AM IchGucksLive: i think the signals arend coming throu at all
02:12 AM IchGucksLive: so what does the dmesg give you
02:13 AM jbail89-garage: I linked it in the pastebin, it looks fine to me but I am not sure
02:14 AM archivist: dmesg wont tell you if there is a hardware problem
02:14 AM IchGucksLive: ok the paroprt adress is ok
02:14 AM XXCoder: maybe http://www.binedit.com/
02:15 AM IchGucksLive: so now meshure the DIR signal if it reatches the DRIVER
02:15 AM IchGucksLive: COM DIR+
02:15 AM TurBoss: gamename?
02:18 AM jbail89-garage: do I need to get it to jog while I'm checking the voltage or will there be a recognizeable signal if its making it across?
02:18 AM XXCoder: TurBoss: Terminal Velocity
02:18 AM TurBoss: ah right
02:18 AM TurBoss: you allreadi told
02:18 AM XXCoder: I think I found editor above
02:18 AM XXCoder: but need figure run it
02:18 AM XXCoder: windows ugh
02:21 AM XXCoder: starting windows 7
02:21 AM XXCoder: gonna love booting another os in linux
02:21 AM TurBoss: you can
02:21 AM TurBoss: I can
02:21 AM XXCoder: I know I can, I am doing it now :P
02:21 AM TurBoss: cool
02:22 AM archivist: jbail89-garage, high or low depending on direction of jog
02:24 AM TurBoss: XXCoder I mean: I can boot my w10 install with the real hardware of as guest of the linux install
02:24 AM TurBoss: :P
02:24 AM TurBoss: -of + or
02:24 AM XXCoder: ah
02:26 AM jbail89-garage: 0v in either direction
02:26 AM IchGucksLive: so the signal is not commig throu
02:26 AM XXCoder: TurBoss: 7 might be too new lol
02:26 AM XXCoder: I might have to boot my pc named BAH
02:26 AM XXCoder: its windows xp
02:26 AM TurBoss: I'm trying with wine
02:27 AM XXCoder: it needs dll files
02:27 AM IchGucksLive: jbail89 -g did you change the signal speed 20000 20000 5000 5000
02:27 AM Deejay: moin
02:27 AM TurBoss: hello
02:28 AM jbail89-garage: I will do that now
02:28 AM jbail89-garage: I grabbed a different multimeter, I actually have 4.84v but no change when jogging
02:29 AM jbail89-garage: no change with that speed IchGucksLive
02:30 AM XXCoder: BAH it is then. booting xp
02:30 AM archivist: not configured to the right pin
02:30 AM IchGucksLive: Crom: i thik the safty chumper for PWM is on
02:30 AM XXCoder: arch yeah thats a possibility
02:30 AM IchGucksLive: jbail89-garage: there are jumpert to protection cycle
02:31 AM IchGucksLive: they will disable the outputs
02:31 AM IchGucksLive: is the jumpering wright
02:34 AM IchGucksLive: jbail89-garage: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/02/C10.pdf
02:35 AM TurBoss: XXCoder : found this :D
02:35 AM TurBoss: https://github.com/Malvineous/camoto-studio.git
02:35 AM TurBoss: not sure if usefull
02:35 AM jbail89-garage: Jumpers 1-2: Com = GND 2-3: Pins 2-9 = Output 2-3: Pull-up Pins 2 X Step 3 X Direction 4 Y Step 5 Y Direction 6 Z Step 7 Z Direction All others unused
02:35 AM XXCoder: possibly but probably hard to compile
02:36 AM jbail89-garage: IchGucksLive: I have looked through the manual and everything is correct as far as I can tell but I am far from an expert
02:37 AM IchGucksLive: ok we most use the oposit wirering
02:37 AM IchGucksLive: as we use 5V + Signal connect and signal as GND
02:38 AM IchGucksLive: your drivers are ?
02:38 AM jbail89-garage: I have zero issues with completely redoing my wiring to a known working similar configuration at this point; I've got about 40 hours into troubleshooting at this point :\
02:38 AM IchGucksLive: OK thats wear
02:38 AM IchGucksLive: i do about 10 CNC a week
02:38 AM IchGucksLive: and had not a single problem on BOB
02:39 AM IchGucksLive: ok some exploded at 24V on 5V in
02:39 AM jbail89-garage: I did that +48v to +5v in the other week and blew up my old C10
02:39 AM TurBoss: XXCoder: found this https://github.com/Malvineous/camoto-studio.git
02:39 AM TurBoss: oops
02:39 AM TurBoss: http://www.wolfensteingoodies.com/archives/geocities/TimesSquare/8271/downloads.html
02:39 AM TurBoss: works with wine
02:39 AM jbail89-garage: I my defence the wiring diagram I was provided was very bad
02:40 AM XXCoder: just fixed binedit!
02:40 AM IchGucksLive: jbail89-garage: so why didend you went to the cheeper 5Axis board
02:40 AM jbail89-garage: It's what originally came with it kit I purchased so I ordered a new one when I blew up the old one
02:41 AM jbail89-garage: http://www.cncelectronicskit.com/?page_id=2
02:41 AM jbail89-garage: these are the diagrams provided with the kit I ordered
02:41 AM IchGucksLive: jbail89-garage: please unplug the X4
02:41 AM IchGucksLive: without POWER on
02:42 AM IchGucksLive: repower the C10
02:43 AM jbail89-garage: so remove PUL+ to Pin4 on the C10 ?
02:43 AM IchGucksLive: no the JUMPER X4
02:43 AM IchGucksLive: remove it
02:44 AM XXCoder: TurBoss: thanks
02:44 AM TurBoss: ?
02:44 AM TurBoss: :P
02:44 AM * TurBoss goes afk
02:45 AM IchGucksLive: jbail89-garage: repower and mesure FIRST EN to GND
02:45 AM IchGucksLive: it needs to be 5V
02:45 AM IchGucksLive: on X1
02:46 AM IchGucksLive: then unwire pin 3
02:46 AM jbail89-garage: x4 removed, GND to EN is 4.99v
02:47 AM IchGucksLive: use the meter on pin3 to com
02:47 AM IchGucksLive: it shoudt change 5v 0v on pressing Xleft y left
02:47 AM IchGucksLive: Xleft Xright ;-)y left
02:48 AM enleth: one night to repair a KUKA control cabinet and pendant that the previous owner tried to get in order for a year or more, blowing money on unnecessary spare parts
02:48 AM enleth: so far so good
02:48 AM jbail89-garage: IchGucksLive: -5v from X4 Jumper (Pin 3) to COM
02:49 AM IchGucksLive: no
02:49 AM IchGucksLive: from PIN3 Terminal
02:49 AM enleth: had to replace a dud SDRAM module, reseat one card and fix a broken LCD backlight, then get around a software lock. the pendant LCD still has some iffy zebra strip connections to take care of, but otherwise everything gets through self-checks and appears to be fine
02:51 AM jbail89-garage: no change in voltage when jogging measuring Terminal Pin 3 and COM
02:54 AM IchGucksLive: stat is not good
02:55 AM jbail89-garage: Should I try wiring to COM=GND instead of +5v?
02:55 AM IchGucksLive: no
02:56 AM IchGucksLive: it will not work if no signal is on
02:56 AM IchGucksLive: the signal line needs to be checkt first
02:56 AM IchGucksLive: wait v 1min i will firer up a mashine
02:57 AM jbail89-garage: gotcha, I meant COM=5v, its already on COM=GND --- no problem, I really appreciate all the help
03:03 AM IchGucksLive: so lets check parport cable
03:03 AM IchGucksLive: unhook the cable from the BOB
03:04 AM IchGucksLive: MESURE 200mV or 2V if on the meter
03:04 AM IchGucksLive: Do you got a DB connoector solder plug
03:05 AM IchGucksLive: it will work better
03:06 AM jbail89-garage: I have a probe that can check in the cable; which pins am I looking for 2v on?
03:07 AM IchGucksLive: but mesure from PIN 3 to GND
03:07 AM IchGucksLive: i see 0.15V
03:09 AM IchGucksLive: To bee all clear open also HAL-SHOW in the MAHINE Menue of AXIS
03:09 AM IchGucksLive: in the RighterFolder GO fo WATCH
03:10 AM IchGucksLive: select left PINS
03:10 AM IchGucksLive: Parport
03:10 AM IchGucksLive: 0
03:10 AM IchGucksLive: pin 3 out
03:11 AM IchGucksLive: it makes you a Red or yellow dot
03:11 AM IchGucksLive: now hit axis again PLACe the 2 Frames biside
03:11 AM IchGucksLive: so you can see the dot while playing with axis
03:12 AM IchGucksLive: hit left right key on keyboard the dot shoudt change color
03:13 AM IchGucksLive: it that works then mesure pin3 on parport cable to the grounds on parport cable
03:13 AM IchGucksLive: i see a change 0 or 1.5mV
03:14 AM IchGucksLive: if that workes in first place the parport is good
03:15 AM IchGucksLive: ok im waiting Report
03:23 AM jbail89-garage: I was able to add the items to the watch menu, they change from red to yellow
03:24 AM IchGucksLive: so its the software runnig
03:24 AM archivist: some parallel ports lack pull ups, they expect the external device to pull up
03:24 AM IchGucksLive: now the hardware needs to be acting on that
03:25 AM IchGucksLive: archivist thats wahat we need to discover
03:26 AM XXCoder: IchGucksLive: I figured how but I cant find the model itself lol one I uploaded is fifferent
03:31 AM jbail89-garage: I have 5v between pin 3 and Gnd on the cable while I am trying to jog, it doesn't go up or down
03:31 AM jbail89-garage: So I guess it's my card?
03:31 AM IchGucksLive: the parport only outputs 2mV
03:31 AM IchGucksLive: so you dident do what i said
03:31 AM IchGucksLive: let me do a small vidio
03:32 AM IchGucksLive: one min
03:35 AM IchGucksLive: Done
03:35 AM IchGucksLive: uploading
03:36 AM jbail89-garage: awesome, thanks
03:37 AM IchGucksLive: uploaded
03:37 AM IchGucksLive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXU-ye55a08&feature=youtu.be
03:38 AM XXCoder: not aviliable, that video.
03:39 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: ye55a08
03:40 AM IchGucksLive: https://youtu.be/mXU-ye55a08
03:40 AM IchGucksLive: i dont know why all videos are made private
03:40 AM IchGucksLive: since i discard to make money
03:42 AM IchGucksLive: ok grand childs are here
03:42 AM IchGucksLive: i need to close
03:43 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: plpease can you check his HAL config to seei f the connection est0p and pins are right
03:43 AM IchGucksLive: also the 0x378
03:43 AM IchGucksLive: till later
03:43 AM IchGucksLive: 7pm Berlin time
03:48 AM jbail89-garage: I've got 5v between those pins, guess I need to look into that
04:09 AM archivist: have you configured the right pins in stepconf
04:10 AM XXCoder: yeah I'd confirm pins in HAL matching physical pins
04:15 AM jbail89-garage: https://pastebin.com/evjcEnHg
04:15 AM jbail89-garage: That's my HAL configuration; do you guys see anything glaringly wrong?
04:16 AM archivist: have you tested all three
04:17 AM XXCoder: uhh
04:17 AM XXCoder: maybe im dumbass
04:17 AM XXCoder: but isnt steppers need enable?
04:18 AM archivist: many do
04:19 AM archivist: you can hard wire the enable
04:19 AM jbail89-garage: Tested all 3 axises? I have
04:20 AM jbail89-garage: I have Pul- Dir- and ENA- wired together in accordance with the wiring diagram but ENA+ is unused
04:20 AM archivist: that sounds wrong
04:22 AM XXCoder: ah negative then. you need to connect ena+ to a pin
04:22 AM XXCoder: and set it high in order to enable drivers to be able to move as commanded
04:24 AM jbail89-garage: Do you know which pin I should use? -- The diagram I was provided http://www.cncelectronicskit.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/WIRING-DIGITAL-DRIVER-TO-POWER-SUPPLY-7.png didn't mention enable at all and the one I am currently using http://cnc4pc.com/Tech_Docs/1_C10R10.PDF only has the ENA-
04:24 AM archivist: the fact that the motors are powered could mean they are default enabled
04:25 AM archivist: see data sheet for the driver to check is they need to be enabled
04:25 AM XXCoder: or powered when enable is low
04:26 AM XXCoder: jbail89 all - is connected together and to ground? making sure
04:26 AM archivist: opto in, so one end disconnected
04:28 AM jbail89-garage: From the DM556 Manual : ENA - : Enable Signal: This signal is sued for enabling/disabling the driver. Usually Left UNCONNECTED(ENABLED)
04:28 AM jbail89-garage: so it looks like this diagram has me actually disabling the driver?
04:29 AM jbail89-garage: let me try without the ENA- connected
04:30 AM archivist: one only is unconnected default enabled
04:30 AM archivist: so ok
04:32 AM jbail89-garage: no change with it removed
04:34 AM archivist: it is ok as is
04:36 AM archivist: dir pin must change with jog direction, this is either wiring, configuration or lack of pull ups in the port
04:36 AM archivist: you can test this with a multimeter
04:41 AM jbail89-garage: I have no change in voltage between COM and Pin3(x dir) when jogging
04:41 AM XXCoder: your ena+ still disconnected?
04:42 AM jbail89-garage: XXCoder: yes it is
04:42 AM XXCoder: im pretty sure it has to be connected to a pin and set high
04:43 AM archivist: XXCoder, no it does not
04:43 AM archivist: his docs Usually Left UNCONNECTED(ENABLED)
04:44 AM XXCoder: oh thats weird
04:44 AM XXCoder: hm is it also true for ENA-?
04:45 AM archivist: I repeat it is an opto so one end disconnected is all it neads to be enabled
04:45 AM jbail89-garage: ENA - is the one that says its normally disconnected but in the documentation for the DM556 both of them are left disconnected
04:46 AM jbail89-garage: I do not see a voltage change at the breakout board so I do not think the driver is the issue
04:47 AM archivist: pull ups or configuration
04:47 AM jbail89-garage: I am currently jumped for pull up configuration but I have tried both
04:48 AM jbail89-garage: Is there a specific configuration I should be looking at?
04:49 AM archivist: halshow will show a pin changing, your meter should match
04:51 AM jbail89-garage: I am getting a segmentation fault when trying to run halshow, im going to reboot real quick
04:51 AM archivist: segfault should never happen
04:54 AM jbail89-garage_: still getting a fault when I try to run halshow
04:54 AM jbail89-garage_: halshow[3760]: segfault at 8 ip b64f29bd sp bfdea0a0 error 6 in liblinuxcnchal.so.0[b64ee000+9000]
04:55 AM archivist: are you running it inside axis or separate
04:56 AM archivist: start axis then select halshow
04:58 AM archivist: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/halshow.html
05:02 AM jbail89-garage_: In halshow under the watch tab the circle for xdir goes from red to yellow when I jog left but not right
05:06 AM archivist: that is ok, now check the port pin in halshow as well
05:07 AM archivist: then with your multimeter on the bob if you can
05:16 AM jbail89-garage_: still no voltage change on the pin directly from the cable
05:24 AM archivist: is it high 5v or low 0v
05:27 AM Jymmm: HIgh Y five oh ?
05:27 AM jbail89-garage_: It reads at 5v but doesn't change, my wiring is for COM = GND
05:30 AM archivist: 5v implies there is a pull up, therefore measuring the wrong pin or configured incorrectly
05:31 AM jbail89-garage_: I'm measuring pin 3 to pin 22 on the parallel cable; I am nearly certain it's a configuration issue but I have no idea where the issue is
05:32 AM archivist: some dont know the right end to count from for the pin numbers
05:32 AM jbail89-garage_: mine are labeled :P
05:34 AM archivist: XXCoder, not the problem
05:34 AM archivist: XXCoder, not the problem
05:35 AM XXCoder: huh
05:35 AM XXCoder: huh
05:35 AM archivist: not the problem!
05:35 AM archivist: I was accidently scrolled up, oops
05:35 AM XXCoder: why you dinging me?
05:35 AM XXCoder: ahh lol
05:40 AM Jymmm: XXCoder: Because you deserve it!
05:41 AM XXCoder: thanks much Jymmm lol
05:41 AM Jymmm: XXCoder: anytime
05:41 AM jbail89-garage_: Ive gotta get to sleep, it's 4am here
05:41 AM jbail89-garage_: I appreciate all the help guys, this will work eventually!
05:42 AM archivist: pfft only 11 AM coffee time
05:43 AM XXCoder: 3 am here heh
06:11 AM jthornton: morning
06:12 AM XXCoder: hey jt
06:14 AM jthornton: I tripped over some saw horses yesterday... hurting today
06:19 AM Deejay: try to ride them next time
06:19 AM XXCoder: ow jt
06:20 AM jthornton: yea left leg and both wrists are hurting and I've got to change the tires on the wing today with a friend's help
06:47 AM XXCoder: fuck it,.
06:48 AM XXCoder: I ordered 2 dice roll circuit stuff
06:48 AM XXCoder: so i can learn soldering and such on it
06:48 AM XXCoder: I'm tired of limited by not being able to solder,
06:48 AM XXCoder: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Electronic-Dice-Suite-Electronic-DIY-Kits-Good-Quality/32356456987.html
06:48 AM XXCoder: cheap enough so if I screw up, whatever
06:49 AM phipli: good way to start
06:49 AM XXCoder: yeah
06:50 AM phipli: I started with velleman kits, they're more expensive, but there wasn't much else available a few years back
06:50 AM phipli: now...
06:50 AM phipli: :0
06:50 AM phipli: * :)
06:50 AM jthornton: what solder iron do you have XXCoder
06:50 AM XXCoder: theres olloscope kits $20
06:50 AM XXCoder: jt a sec
06:50 AM phipli: my main comment would be that you learn by practice
06:50 AM phipli: get 10 kits of things you'd like
06:50 AM jthornton: my first was a Heathkit RC kit
06:50 AM XXCoder: weller solder kit
06:50 AM jthornton: with different tips?
06:50 AM phipli: ooo posh :p
06:51 AM XXCoder: it says can go up to 900w though dont seem precise control.
06:51 AM XXCoder: jt yeah various tips
06:51 AM XXCoder: from pointy tip to what looks like spade
06:51 AM jthornton: good, you will want the small one for that kit
06:52 AM jthornton: keep the tip clean and when done cover with a blob of solder
06:52 AM phipli: us a wire brush type tip cleaner, not a sponge
06:52 AM phipli: the sponges damage the tip over time more
06:53 AM jthornton: I just got one like this https://www.amazon.com/Soldering-Iron-Tip-Cleaner-Black/dp/B00J66FSY2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1494156176&sr=8-3&keywords=solder+tip+cleaner
06:53 AM XXCoder: my biggest problem is willpower
06:53 AM XXCoder: I have so little when its related to doing my hobbies
06:53 AM * TurBoss is back
06:53 AM phipli: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32550265919.html
06:53 AM XXCoder: yet many other ways I have tons of willpower
06:54 AM phipli: jthornton, yeah that sort of thing
06:54 AM phipli: way better
06:54 AM jthornton: phipli: I built a chick brooder yesterday, the chicks have out grown the plastic tubby
06:54 AM XXCoder: url not working phi
06:54 AM phipli: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1pcs-Wire-With-Stand-Set-Welding-Soldering-Solder-Iron-Tip-Cleaner-Cleaning/32550265919.html
06:55 AM phipli: my bad - trimmed it first time and it worked, second time and pasted it (because it re-grew) and it didn't...
06:55 AM phipli: jthornton, growing quickly?
06:55 AM phipli: :)
06:56 AM jthornton: kinda like this one but up higher http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/stage-ii-brooder
06:56 AM jthornton: yea, they grow amazingly fast
06:56 AM XXCoder: oh jthornton did you see this https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2301710 I extracted data and TurBoss modified it
06:56 AM XXCoder: looks awesome
06:56 AM jthornton: I had no idea how fast they grow
06:57 AM TurBoss: :P
06:57 AM jthornton: cool
06:57 AM XXCoder: too bad my printer is down :( or I'd be printing it already
06:59 AM * jthornton heads out to the shop
07:00 AM * TurBoss too
07:02 AM phipli: regarding chicken auto doors
07:02 AM phipli: I was thinking something like this : https://ibb.co/iASUd5
07:02 AM phipli: I'd rather not have the two threaded bars
07:02 AM phipli: and could probably get away with one if I but some drawer sliders on it
07:03 AM phipli: the idea is that the weight of the door sits on the red stop
07:03 AM phipli: so it sets a minimum height
07:03 AM phipli: rather than forces the door shut
07:03 AM phipli: for simplicity, the notch can just be prevented from rotating by the wall
07:04 AM phipli: so just need to mount the motor and bottom of the threaded bar
07:04 AM phipli: *notch = stop
07:05 AM phipli: to clarify the red stop moves up and down
07:05 AM JT-Shop: how are you going to lock the door down?
07:05 AM phipli: either with a linear actuator (read car central locking)
07:06 AM phipli: or not lock it
07:06 AM phipli: the run is very secure
07:06 AM phipli: could put a second motor with a cam against the side
07:06 AM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/images/chicks/big-brooder-01.jpg
07:07 AM JT-Shop: https://www.amazon.com/FCBB-Quality-Electric-Assembly-Solenoid/dp/B00V8B3GFG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494157046&sr=8-1&keywords=12vdc+door+lock
07:08 AM JT-Shop: I used a 24vdc version of that on a machine door I built
07:17 AM phipli: JT-Shop, does it require constant power in one state?
07:17 AM phipli: the advantage of central locking mechanisms is that they only require power to more
07:17 AM phipli: *move
07:17 AM phipli: and they /are cheap/
07:21 AM phipli: When I made a "poorly chicken box" for ours, I found woodscrews and huge washers were a lot better for fixing the wire to the openings than horseshoe nails
07:27 AM JT-Shop: power pulls the latch in
07:27 AM JT-Shop: no power it's spring loaded out
07:30 AM JT-Shop: I wonder what kind of plug is on that?
07:33 AM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/images/chicks/coop04.jpg
07:37 AM phipli: plug on which?
07:38 AM phipli: Do you use a jig to do the angled recessed holes?
07:40 AM JT-Shop: plug on this https://www.amazon.com/FCBB-Quality-Electric-Assembly-Solenoid/dp/B00V8B3GFG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494157046&sr=8-1&keywords=12vdc+door+lock
07:40 AM phipli: looks like some kind of jsp connector
07:41 AM phipli: *jst
07:41 AM JT-Shop: https://www.kregtool.com/store/c13/kreg-jigsreg/p34/kreg-jigreg-k4/
07:43 AM phipli: www.ebay.com/itm/231639548157
07:43 AM XXCoder: hey jy....mmm
07:47 AM JT-Shop: yea that's the plug
07:57 AM JT-Shop: ah it's the same as the balance plug on a lipo
08:05 AM phipli: yeah
08:05 AM phipli: thats right
08:05 AM phipli: that is what I thought it looked like
08:21 AM R2E4_bevins1: morning
08:22 AM Loetmichel_: hmmm. $me just noticed that i can "pseudo-10finger-blind"... never learned it though. seems that practice (here in IRC) makes perfect ;)
08:24 AM Loetmichel_: ... got from "one kepress a day" to 2-finger typing with looking at the keyboard" to using about 6 fingers now and not looking at the keyboard... and without noticing it at all...?!?
08:36 AM phipli: :)
08:37 AM phipli: IRC Teaches Typing 2017, Machinist's Edition?
08:38 AM phipli: MS BASIC taught me where the dollar key was
08:38 AM phipli: hello$, could$ you$ please$ direct$ me$ to$ the$ closest$ shop$?
08:39 AM malcom2073: c++ has taught me where {}'s are, though I'm still not sure what to call them
08:39 AM phipli: "Curly brace"
08:39 AM phipli: is what I was taught
08:39 AM malcom2073: brace or bracket? curly or just plain?
08:39 AM phipli: either
08:40 AM phipli: but brace is faster to say...
08:40 AM malcom2073: True
08:41 AM phipli: my dad used to do fontography (drawing fonts) so I had quite a headstart on what everything was called...
08:41 AM phipli: but still even now there are things that I realise I've never paid attention to how you say it
08:41 AM phipli: "~"
08:42 AM phipli: I suddenly realised I was saying the wrong thing in my head
08:42 AM phipli: because I had never /said/ it to anyone
08:43 AM phipli: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracket
08:43 AM phipli: says "Curly brackets or braces"
08:43 AM malcom2073: indeed it doesheh
08:44 AM phipli: not sure if that means "curly brackets" and "curly braces"
08:44 AM phipli: or if it means "curly brackets" or "braces"
08:44 AM phipli: :)
08:44 AM Magnifikus: can i set things like home_offset from axis without restarting?
08:45 AM Loetmichel_: [15:07] <phipli> IRC Teaches Typing 2017, Machinist's Edition? <- something like that ;)
08:46 AM Tom_itx: colloqually {}
08:46 AM Tom_itx: say that fast 10 times
08:47 AM malcom2073: Tom_itx: control-c control-v ftw
08:49 AM R2E4_bevins1: Hi Tom
08:50 AM Tom_itx: hi
08:52 AM Loetmichel_: Tom_itx: i wouldnt know how to pronounce that in the first place ;)
08:52 AM Tom_itx: c u r l y b r a c e
08:53 AM Loetmichel_: Tom_itx: colloqually
08:53 AM Tom_itx: i know what you meant :D
08:53 AM Loetmichel_: :-)
08:56 AM Tom_itx: not sure whoever invented the keyboard was thinking that day
08:57 AM Loetmichel_: Tom_itx: IIRC they tried to make the most used letters to be reached most easily.
08:57 AM Loetmichel_: and the least used ones to be at the perimeter
08:57 AM Tom_itx: they weren't programmers
08:58 AM Loetmichel_: remember that that was in the days of mechanical typewriters, where typing meant you could press a lemn dry with two fingers after a few jears of typing
08:59 AM Loetmichel_: it made sense to have the most used letters where you could press them with the least amount of leverage and strain to your fingers
08:59 AM Loetmichel_: lemon
09:00 AM phipli: also, supposedly, the layout is designed to prevent jamming on typewriters
09:01 AM phipli: letters that are commonly typed one after the other are far apart to prevent them catching each other
09:01 AM phipli: or at least in certain places rather than others
09:02 AM Loetmichel_: yeah, that, too
09:03 AM Loetmichel_: typewriting on a mechanical would have been good training for bruce lee back in the days ;)
09:03 AM phipli: these days he'd have to take up piano
09:04 AM * Loetmichel_ hat 5 years of piano lessons
09:04 AM Loetmichel_: i know what you mean ;)
09:06 AM phipli: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercy_(game)
09:06 AM Loetmichel_: try flight of the bumblebee on a piano ;)
09:06 AM phipli: used to own that "game" due to piano lessons
09:06 AM phipli: I'm told my partners mother can destroy her male policeman colleagues for similar reasons, and much to their confusion as she is an office worker
09:08 AM Loetmichel_: brute force works well in that game
09:09 AM phipli: I used to use my piano playing fingers to crush their fingers sideways between mine
09:09 AM phipli: worked well
09:10 AM phipli: most of the rest of the game was making sure they couldn't move you into a position you couldn't defend yourself
09:11 AM phipli: interesting to see that it is played worldwide
09:11 AM phipli: was expecting it to be a local thing
09:11 AM Loetmichel_: its funny. i used to work in (rock'n'roll) stage rental for 10+ years. nowadasy my co-workers ae all academics with no "praktice" at all... its funny how they tend to call me if something heavy AND/OR requireing dexterity is about to be moved
09:12 AM phipli: heh
09:12 AM phipli: I work in an office of mixed graduates and shop floor people
09:12 AM phipli: so it is quite a mixed bunch
09:12 AM phipli: crazy doctors of physics to experienced welders and fabricators
09:13 AM * Loetmichel_ is the production/shop floor manager of that company...
09:13 AM Loetmichel_: and about the only "manual worker" left on that shop floor.
09:13 AM Loetmichel_: all others have degrees
09:13 AM Loetmichel_: even my underlings ;)
09:13 AM phipli: heh
09:14 AM phipli: we're what is left of the "Intercity Fleet Engineering" department of the previously nationalised railway
09:14 AM Loetmichel_: so its usually me to show them how to weld/solder/saw/file/whatever handywork"
09:14 AM phipli: they took away our workshops much to everyone's irritation
09:15 AM Loetmichel_: phipli: you are german?
09:15 AM phipli: we have "the lab" which is a glorified storage room with a pillar drill and solder station
09:15 AM phipli: British
09:15 AM Loetmichel_: intercity fleet?
09:15 AM Loetmichel_: do the brits have similar trains than the germans?
09:16 AM phipli: we have lost most of our manufacturing capability these days
09:16 AM phipli: only on factory remains from the old days
09:16 AM phipli: although Hitachi have built a new one
09:17 AM phipli: British Rail Intercity was almost like another "region" within the railway
09:17 AM phipli: looked after the long distance trains
09:17 AM phipli: things like this one (still running) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterCity_125
09:17 AM Loetmichel_: as a german "intercity" plus railway automatically calls up this in my mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV2E66JNKpU
09:18 AM phipli: We got to 125mph in the 70s (regular service)... and then never got any further
09:18 AM Loetmichel_: ... some german engineers at siemens had MUCH to much time on their hands
09:18 AM phipli: hehe
09:18 AM Loetmichel_: thats an "official" test mode of the ICE3-motors/inverters
09:18 AM phipli: we've all done that
09:18 AM phipli: perhaps not with traction kit on high speed trains though...
09:19 AM phipli: I do love the noise of high power solid state electronics
09:19 AM Loetmichel_: (thats the german anthem btw)
09:19 AM phipli: heh
09:19 AM phipli: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqBCSBS3hno
09:19 AM phipli: that is quite a common easter egg
09:20 AM Loetmichel_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMbxDttxnCE <- try this for (accelerating) goosebumps ;)
09:22 AM Loetmichel_: HP engieers drove it even further with the old scanners
09:22 AM Loetmichel_: there is actually a set of SCSI-commands to feed the scanner with musical notes, it does the rest on itself ;)
09:22 AM phipli: We have Siemens Desiros, but no ICEs on our main network
09:23 AM phipli: only ones that come to the country are the new Eurostars
09:23 AM phipli: Desiros have so much torque - they're mental
09:23 AM phipli: they have to limit the starting acceleration for comfort
09:23 AM phipli: perhaps also to reduce wear
09:24 AM Loetmichel_: hihi
09:25 AM phipli: Starting torque on a desiro is more than some freight locomotives
09:25 AM Loetmichel_: german (over)engineering ;)
09:25 AM phipli: Yes - it makes me so sad how much our industry has shrunk in this country
09:26 AM phipli: Heh
09:27 AM phipli: they used to make everything themselves, from the furniture, to the thermometers, castings, machining etc. etc....
09:27 AM phipli: now we hardly even make the damn trains!
09:28 AM Gene_home: need help with fusion 360, making hole with ball end mill using 2d contour, however when selecting bottom circle.... the cutter needs to plunge deeper so the hole does not have the ball end mill radius at the bottom
09:31 AM phipli: set the depth of cut to the target depth + height of dome?
09:31 AM phipli: or use a flat ended mill?
09:32 AM Gene_home: ya... looking for that option...
09:34 AM phipli: is it something you could clean up afterwards?
09:35 AM phipli: or are you making several?
09:35 AM Gene_home: just trying to learn fusion to make a drain hole for a collant tray
09:38 AM phipli: what OS are you using it with?
09:38 AM phipli: I thought I looked and it was windows / mac only?
09:41 AM Gene_home: i figured it out, windows for fusion 360
09:44 AM phipli: They did a linux trial
09:44 AM phipli: I requested but didn't get access
09:52 AM Gene_home: will collant disolve plumbers putty?
10:52 AM archivist: will water dissolve glass
10:56 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: yes!
10:59 AM archivist: :)
11:01 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: any good pdf reader?
11:01 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: the one supplied with linuxcnc isn't working
11:01 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: ePDFViewer
11:02 AM archivist: not all pdfs are created equal
11:02 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: the ones from the lcnc site
11:02 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: I want as backup of resource
11:02 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: + it
11:02 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: :
11:03 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: or pdf broken...
11:03 AM archivist: pdfs use up huge amounts of memory
11:04 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: my machine computer can't hanle web surfing...
11:04 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: *handle
11:04 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: even if using midore
11:05 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: ... *Midori
11:05 AM archivist: these days the stupid coders are expanding it all into memory instead of a page at a time
11:05 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: ok found envice
11:05 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: .
11:06 AM phiplii: Yes, how a tool a browser can use 8gig (the other day when I looked) to display a number of basically documents is beyond me
11:06 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: ok a pdf problem
11:07 AM phiplii: my internet connection isn't that great
11:07 AM phiplii: so how does a few hundred k of download become hundreds of mb?
11:08 AM archivist: because stupidity and objects
11:11 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: ok was a bad download
11:11 AM TurBoss_at_cnc: :)
11:22 AM BeachBumPete: jeez man I never knew lipo charging would be so complicated LOL
11:23 AM malcom2073: Only if you want to keep the hellfire inside!
11:24 AM BeachBumPete: IKR
11:25 AM BeachBumPete: I bought one cheaper charger as recommended by a video online and it is a POS then I got another better one that arrived broken, fixed it, then started charging bats finally
11:25 AM BeachBumPete: now been reading about this stuff and damn it is a PIA
11:25 AM BeachBumPete: overcharging, undercharging, rates, balance charging, fires, explosions, lions and tigers and bears Oh my!
11:26 AM malcom2073: Yeah, real 16850's have pretty dummy proof protection circuits inside that make things way easier
11:26 AM BeachBumPete: 18650s?
11:27 AM BeachBumPete: been playing with my first non-toy quadcopter here
11:27 AM malcom2073: 16850
11:27 AM BeachBumPete: this thing is pretty kickass
11:27 AM malcom2073: Fairly standard lithium battery in most everything
11:27 AM BeachBumPete: but it is a LOT more involved than I ever thought it would be
11:27 AM malcom2073: Ah oops, lipo yeah
11:27 AM malcom2073: they're trickier
11:28 AM BeachBumPete: yeah I am using 4s 1300mah 40c 14.8v packs for the bird
11:28 AM malcom2073: Back when I did RC stuff, I had a metal box I kept just outside my garage (next to the concrete wall) that I kept and charged everything in
11:29 AM BeachBumPete: I keep it charging on the tile floor away from any walls or combustibles
11:29 AM BeachBumPete: so if it goes boom its just gonna make a nice show I guess
11:29 AM malcom2073: Yeah, worst thing you gotta worry about is the smoke if it's away from flammables
11:30 AM BeachBumPete: speaking of which charger just beeped, ready to FLY again ;)
11:30 AM malcom2073: Check this out btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JECJAgRsp-4
11:31 AM malcom2073: root cause was someone forgot to plug in the balancing circuit, and two failsafes failed
11:31 AM LeelooMinai: Thick white toxic smoke - if you want to see how this looks, some battlebot episodes had batteries doing that when damaged.
11:32 AM LeelooMinai: Not advaisable to have it happening in closed space imo:) http://www.battlebotsupdate.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/rwuks8e5_chompalotsmoke.jpg
11:32 AM malcom2073: Indeed
11:33 AM malcom2073: LeelooMinai: Wanna see an idiot, watch that video: One of the guys was in the room with the smoke trying to put it out
11:34 AM LeelooMinai: "this was an intern" - read "we have nothing to do with this man"
11:34 AM malcom2073: Lol yeah
11:35 AM malcom2073: We had one of those at my last work, fortunatly we were using a significantly safer battery pack
11:50 AM BeachBumPete: Damn this thing is fun to fly
11:50 AM BeachBumPete: I am NOT quite ready to slap on the FPV goggles just yet but getting there
11:50 AM BeachBumPete: but yeah seen all the horror vids of lipo explosions on youtube
11:50 AM BeachBumPete: pretty scary stuff
11:51 AM BeachBumPete: I bought three batteries now and the first charger seems to have killed one of them
11:51 AM BeachBumPete: at least there are videos online showing how to FIX it but not sure if that will work or not
11:52 AM BeachBumPete: might just try it and see but probably just buy another one to replace it
11:52 AM BeachBumPete: so far lost one antenna from the quad, broke three different prop blades and chewed up a couple more and lost a screw from the frame
11:52 AM BeachBumPete: musta crashed it a hundred times now ;)
11:53 AM BeachBumPete: this this is STOUT
11:53 AM malcom2073: Lol
11:53 AM malcom2073: nice
11:53 AM malcom2073: They are a lot of fun, and way more durable than a helicopter
11:53 AM BeachBumPete: makes me want to get those drawings of the 550 frame AV quad I was thinking of building out and start CNC machining the frame
11:54 AM BeachBumPete: I was watching some videos of the tiny indoor FPV quads on youtube
11:54 AM BeachBumPete: This quad is SUPPOSED to be for my daughters birthday ;)
11:54 AM BeachBumPete: she flies it ok but gets bored with it
11:55 AM BeachBumPete: so I was having so much fun I ordered myself a transmitter/receiver setup
11:55 AM BeachBumPete: gonna order a pair of goggles for myself here next time I get some change
11:55 AM BeachBumPete: and start building the bigger bird
11:56 AM BeachBumPete: have not cut carbon fiber on the VMC yet but gonna have to see about it now
11:56 AM BeachBumPete: the quad I have here now is all CF and it is very durable I am surprised it is still in one piece actually
11:57 AM BeachBumPete: but it took some fiddling to get the settings right and also did not realize that the controller was on mode 1 LOL
11:57 AM BeachBumPete: luckily you can swap them over easily to mode 2
11:58 AM BeachBumPete: in short there is WAY more involved in flying these things than I ever imagined and not just the battery charging either.
12:09 PM IchGucksLive: hi all
12:10 PM IchGucksLive: archivist still on ?
12:10 PM archivist: I am
12:11 PM IchGucksLive: archivist how did it come out with the C10 this morning
12:11 PM archivist: user went to bed with it still not working
12:12 PM IchGucksLive: thanks
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: ok
12:17 PM Crom: moin everyone
12:17 PM TurBoss: hello
12:17 PM Crom: You'll have to speakup, it's raining pretty good and it's loud hitting the patio cover
12:18 PM TurBoss: WHAT? I can't ear you
12:18 PM TurBoss: :P
12:18 PM TurBoss: sorry
12:18 PM Crom: exactly!
12:18 PM TurBoss: bad joke
12:18 PM Crom: just ordered a Pi ZeroW
12:19 PM TurBoss: I'm checking armbian
12:19 PM TurBoss: a debian like something
12:20 PM Crom: no more spending until the next payday
12:20 PM LeelooMinai: I am just designing in Fusion case for RPI camera + HDMI adapter I got from some guy in France. Will have the camera on my CNC.
12:20 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: nice
12:20 PM Crom: I should have one more milage payment hit before the 17th and that'll cover the pi
12:21 PM LeelooMinai: I hope finally the time came when I can use my CNC to make nice things for it.
12:21 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: it will coome soon or not that soon ;-)
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: LeelooMinai: with PMMA and a 1mm bit
12:22 PM IchGucksLive: or better 40W laser beam
12:22 PM LeelooMinai: Right, well, so far it has been always "chicken and egg" problem - I needed some brackets etc. for CNC, but it was not ready to make them, etc.
12:22 PM Loetmichel_: hmmm. THAT didnt went SO well for the BMW "tent" to dry it out. Made a little photo story of it though. -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16598 ... just click "nächste" on the right for the next pic until there are no more and/or click on the pic to make it large/small again.
12:24 PM LeelooMinai: oops
12:27 PM LeelooMinai: BTW, here are those HDMI adapters for RPI camera - they allow you to use HDMI cable - meters long, to distance the camera from the RPI itself: roducts/freto/pi-camera-hdmi-cable-extension/
12:27 PM LeelooMinai: Er, fail. https://www.tindie.com/products/freto/pi-camera-hdmi-cable-extension/
12:30 PM Crom: now pi 0/computestick cable though
12:30 PM Crom: s/now/no/
12:31 PM LeelooMinai: Why not?
12:32 PM LeelooMinai: I have pi 0 too - just just need flat cable that has smaller pitch on one side - they sell them separately or with the RPI 0 case I think.
12:32 PM Crom: well I'm getting a pi0 ribbon cable... down the road I'll get one of those adapters
12:32 PM LeelooMinai: The cool thing with this HDMI adapter is that you end up with tiny camera unit at the end of the cable.
12:33 PM Crom: oh kewlios... they give you 4 more pins so you could mount sensors with the camera
12:33 PM LeelooMinai: Heh, did not even notice that.
12:34 PM LeelooMinai: I need to order some M2 screws from Ali
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: jbail89: still on ?
12:38 PM Siggi: QQ: I'm having latency problems with the ath9k wireless driver (PCI card) - this is the 3.4 RTAI kernel. I was hoping to try a more recent driver, but I can't figure out how to. Anyone, anyone, Bueller?
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: how high is the latency
12:42 PM Siggi: 300us
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: 300000
12:42 PM Crom: ouch
12:42 PM Siggi: otherwise it's at ~6us
12:42 PM Siggi: yeah
12:42 PM archivist: then dont use wireless
12:42 PM Siggi: argh!
12:42 PM IchGucksLive: is it permanent that high or jumps after 15-30sec
12:42 PM Siggi: that's what I'm doing now
12:43 PM Siggi: I get one on if up
12:43 PM Siggi: so it's the card or the driver
12:43 PM Siggi: otherwise it's not super deterministic
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: reset latency and cont the seconds to the next high value
12:43 PM Siggi: maybe something like network discovery or such
12:43 PM Crom: It could be which channel you're using...
12:44 PM Siggi: I did the latency-plot
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: you can disable all interrupts
12:44 PM Siggi: and it was not super repeatable
12:44 PM Siggi: hmm - how does that work?
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: if the pikes coe every 10sec it can be fixed
12:45 PM IchGucksLive: if it comes within 2-4sec etch time you reset it is not
12:45 PM Siggi: yeah, it was more like 30-50
12:45 PM IchGucksLive: hit my nickname double and we gone solf it
12:53 PM pcw_home: Atheros and Broadcom are best kept far away from anything real time...
12:54 PM LeelooMinai: A don't use Wi-FI at home for myself - ran cables in wall into the basement for everything.
12:55 PM LeelooMinai: Was PITA, but worth having 0 problems with connectivity.
12:55 PM pcw_home: Many USB WIFI adapters are OK but PCI/MiniPCI,MiniPCIE WIFI adapters are very often problematic
12:56 PM LeelooMinai: Weird - I would expect the other way around I guess.
12:57 PM pcw_home: (bad for real time since they almost always run proprietary binary code that is shitty)
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: pcw_home: my brother wont let me modify the 7i76 till motherdays over
01:02 PM LeelooMinai: "I don't see a relation"...
01:08 PM malcom2073: LeelooMinai: I wonder what the limit on that cable length is (The HDMI pi camera) before you start having issues
01:08 PM malcom2073: I need to get a pi zero, we have a bunch at work and they're awesome
01:08 PM LeelooMinai: I just connected I think 5m or so cable and no problems,
01:08 PM malcom2073: Nice
01:09 PM LeelooMinai: Well, pi 0 has one problem - no ethernet connector, but, I guess, the wi-fi version could be ok for a camera if you use HDMI to the monitor (as I do) instead of streaming.
01:10 PM LeelooMinai: I tried streaming, but latency + fps was fail.
01:11 PM LeelooMinai: So instead I bought HDMI switch and have long cable from the CNC place to one of my monitors.
01:12 PM LeelooMinai: Huge difference - almost no latency, no compression artifacts, 30fps at HD
01:13 PM malcom2073: Ah yeah we had wifi ones, which is how we talked to them
01:13 PM Crom: you could also use that tinker hdmi adapter on a rpi3
01:13 PM malcom2073: used a normal pi3 as a bridge to the ethernet network, then adhoc between them
01:14 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I have 2x 1 core old PIs, I think B version or whatever - they are kind of slow when I use x11vnc to connect to GUI.
01:14 PM LeelooMinai: But for cameras they are ok.
01:14 PM malcom2073: Yeah
01:15 PM LeelooMinai: PI3 is kind of epxensive for what it is.
01:15 PM IchGucksLive: im off for today
01:16 PM TurBoss: http://www.gateworks.com/
01:16 PM malcom2073: It's teh same price as the 2 isn't it?
01:16 PM TurBoss: this boards look good to me
01:16 PM TurBoss: they have pcie
01:16 PM TurBoss: but the price...?
01:16 PM TurBoss: contact?
01:16 PM LeelooMinai: Cannot open that site
01:16 PM TurBoss: that means that should be expensive
01:16 PM malcom2073: If you have toask the price, you can't afford it
01:16 PM LeelooMinai: O, it opened finally - slow as snail
01:18 PM LeelooMinai: There are a lot of nice SBCs nowadays - hardware is not the problem, but you also need to consider OS, drivers, support, community, etc.
01:18 PM malcom2073: There are a ton of them, it's kinda cool
01:19 PM LeelooMinai: "Request pricing" => ctrl-F4, at least for me:)
01:19 PM TurBoss: oh
01:19 PM TurBoss: lol
01:20 PM TurBoss: is the only one that I have found with pcie...
01:20 PM TurBoss: stored bookmark justs for that
01:20 PM holymoly: HI friend, I search a housing for my CNC. It is a Datron M7n. The Datron is about 1000x 1000 x 1000 mm big.
01:22 PM LeelooMinai: by "search a housing" you mean new home for it or anclosure? :)
01:22 PM holymoly: I search a way to build a Enclosing
01:23 PM LeelooMinai: For my machine I just used alu extrusions + polycarbonate.
01:23 PM holymoly: https://twitter.com/MakerspaceDA
01:24 PM holymoly: It is not my CNC either
01:24 PM holymoly: Datron donated this CNC in our makerspace. Since then I work on this machine.
01:25 PM holymoly: The next thing I have to solve it to build a proper enclosure
01:25 PM LeelooMinai: Right, well, I think extrusions + transparent acrylic or poly sheets is easiest to make.
01:26 PM holymoly: Agree with you. And I love to build it slike that.
01:26 PM LeelooMinai: And you see what's happening inside and are safe from projectiles.
01:26 PM holymoly: But it is expensive this way
01:26 PM LeelooMinai: Well, I don't know... depends: if you can get extrusions for a reasonable price and the sheets, it may be ok.
01:27 PM holymoly: Isnt the polycarbonate reacting with cooling liquid ?
01:27 PM LeelooMinai: I was lucky and got 6mm polycarbonate sheet from a guy 4 by 8 feet for $100...
01:28 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, not sure - I guess there are different kind of liquids, so one has to check first.
01:28 PM holymoly: I tought about to build a enclosure with wood
01:28 PM holymoly: but also have some windows
01:28 PM sync: as that doesn't react with coolant?
01:29 PM sync: 12m of 30x30mm extrusion is like 100€
01:29 PM sync: and then just a few sheets of PC
01:29 PM holymoly: OSB is much cheaper and afforable to change
01:29 PM sync: and maybe a tube of sikaflex to get it sealed
01:30 PM LeelooMinai: I guess if you use proper sealant, wood may work - will look a bit out of place though:)
01:30 PM holymoly: Agree
01:30 PM holymoly: But the monies
01:31 PM LeelooMinai: Sure, it will probably do the job.
01:31 PM LeelooMinai: I would make it nice - use some hardwood maybe:)
01:32 PM sync: that's gonna be super ugly, just get some extrusion and replace the panels piece by piece
01:32 PM sync: a m² of transparent pc is like 75€
01:32 PM sync: realistically you only need the front to be transparent
01:32 PM sync: the rest can be thin al sheet
01:33 PM LeelooMinai: Well, it's always nicer to have it on sides too - in case you want to have a look at different angle.
01:34 PM LeelooMinai: I made something that is a semi-enclosure for mine: http://i.imgur.com/33ScT8x.jpg
01:34 PM LeelooMinai: Old pic, but one can look from any direction and see what's going on.
01:34 PM sync: did you look at their m7? it has solid portal sides
01:35 PM sync: there is no real reason why you would be looking at the side
01:35 PM jbail89: Hi guys, I'm going to start trying to troubleshoot my configuration again -- I'm still not seeing any voltage change (constant +5v) between pin 3 and GND on my parallel cable when jogging
01:35 PM jbail89: Is there something specific I should be looking at in my HAL configuration?
01:36 PM LeelooMinai: sync: So far I had many reasons when eye-aligning things.
01:39 PM sync: you cannot look at the side
01:39 PM sync: there is a block of granite
01:39 PM sync: if you don't have xray vision, there is not much to see
01:39 PM TurBoss: https://www.solid-run.com/freescale-imx6-family/hummingboard/hummingboard-specifications/
01:39 PM TurBoss: another board
01:39 PM TurBoss: expensive
01:39 PM LeelooMinai: A, you talk about the concrete machine.
01:40 PM LeelooMinai: I mean "specific" not made from concrete:)
01:42 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I rather like Fusion360, but I wish they had customizable shorcuts - for some reason they insist on having set in stone system for that.
01:46 PM LeelooMinai: Same with colors - I can have any, as long as they are built-in, kind of like Ford models in the past.
02:07 PM holymoly: The concrete machine ?
02:10 PM LeelooMinai: holymoly: Sorry, I used "concrete" but mean "specific"
02:21 PM jbail89: Is it possible that my parallel port card is the issue?
02:21 PM jbail89: http://www.ebay.com/itm/PCI-I-O-Parallel-Extended-Bus-Port-DB25-25-Pin-IEEE-1284-Printer-Card-Adapter-US/311609393675?_trksid=p2050601.c100085.m2372&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140211132617%26meid%3D0806f5e6623c4d8b944be0a4e5638515%26pid%3D100085%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D112266720829%26clkid%3D4486701573886300387&_qi=RTM2247626
02:21 PM jbail89: I can't find a datasheet or any information regarding the chipset or capabilities of the card
02:26 PM TurBoss: hello jbail89
02:26 PM TurBoss: what lspci shows?
02:28 PM jbail89: I woud have to go check, I don't think I saw anything strange and the card was detected
02:29 PM TurBoss: is to know the chip model
02:29 PM TurBoss: ok
02:29 PM TurBoss: is show on ebay
02:33 PM TurBoss: 16C550C
02:34 PM jbail89: https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R214SMTGWRRAMX/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B014P55X8O
02:34 PM jbail89: dang
02:35 PM LeelooMinai: Right, was just going to say that often there are problems with parallel ports that are not built into the motherboard.
02:35 PM LeelooMinai: I got one with port for this reason, though I am not even using it now, because I use Mesa cards (they are pretty nice)
02:41 PM TurBoss: sorry got busy
02:41 PM TurBoss: afk
02:43 PM jbail89: LeelooMinai: gotcha, I think I am going to try another card since I have looked through everything that I can think of
02:46 PM Jymmm: jbail89: have yu tried a different cable?
02:49 PM TurBoss: back
02:50 PM TurBoss: jbail89: did you manage to get the address of that board? using "dmesg | grep parport"?
02:50 PM Jymmm: jbail89: Also, what "mode" is it on? EPP ? ECP? etc
02:51 PM Jymmm: in*
02:59 PM jbail89: I have tried a different cable
03:00 PM jbail89: https://pastebin.com/yB7Zz2ZT
03:00 PM jbail89: looks like EPP
03:06 PM Crom: do you have a multi meter to check pins on cable?
03:06 PM Crom: EPP is good... that's what I'm running here
03:07 PM jbail89: I have checked continuity on the pins; voltage I have 5v between pin 3 and pin 22 but it looks like I am supposed to have somewhere around 1.5mv?
03:07 PM LeelooMinai: I doubt there's anyone on this channel without a multi meter:)
03:07 PM Jymmm: jbail89: You could get a mesa card and just get on with making chips, or continue to muck around with this card, paraports, etc. Just something to consider.
03:08 PM LeelooMinai: Right, they are pretty awsome. Good price too.
03:08 PM jbail89: Is there a cheap one you could recommend for a 3 axis setup?
03:09 PM LeelooMinai: 5i25 + 7i76
03:09 PM malcom2073: Just get a motherboard with a built in parallel ports, I find them at junk sales all the time and run linuxcnc on them
03:09 PM malcom2073: $10 and you're up and running
03:09 PM Crom: checking you cable pin 17 should goto the other end and come out on pin 17
03:10 PM jbail89: I'll have to see if those are options; I can start looking for a motherboard with a parallel port and start considering a mesa card
03:10 PM jbail89: Crom: I'll check that real quick
03:11 PM Crom: a db25 to db25 serial cable usually doesn't have pin 17 conected to the othe end pin 17
03:12 PM jbail89: 17 to 17 was good
03:13 PM Crom: hmm the cable should work then
03:13 PM Crom: you have power to the C10 board?
03:13 PM jbail89: Yes, the c10 board has power and the motors do too
03:13 PM Crom: left side if you looking the the parallel port
03:13 PM jbail89: I just don't see any voltage change at the cable
03:14 PM Crom: do you have a parallel printer?
03:14 PM jbail89: I don't; I actually don't have any parallel devices
03:15 PM jbail89: I have to study, I have final exams tomorrow and then I will be back to keep working on this
03:15 PM jbail89: I really appreciate all the help guys, you've been great
03:16 PM Jymmm: jbail89: how are you "changing" the volatages/togglig the pin?
03:16 PM Crom: hmmm not sure if the C10 board is setup for common anode or Cathode
03:16 PM jbail89: Jymmm: I was trying to change it by monitoring voltage when jogging
03:16 PM Crom: better off using a resistor and an LED
03:18 PM Jymmm: jbail89: With a scope? Cause a meter wouldn't be fast enough.
03:18 PM Crom: long leg of LED goes into the +v and resistor to the -v
03:20 PM jbail89: I was using a meter
03:21 PM jbail89: IchGucksLive uploaded a video last night of him doing the same thing and it looked like he was able to monitor the voltage change with a meter
03:22 PM jbail89: I am not nearly as familiar with the process as you guys though
03:24 PM Jymmm: jbail89: why? is it not jogging/moving?
03:25 PM Crom: Jymmm: yep
03:26 PM Jymmm: Eh, imo too many "if;s" here... ould be a bad card, unknown cable, etc.
03:27 PM Jymmm: do any axis work?
03:27 PM Crom: C10 is Common Cathode
03:28 PM Crom: common ground
03:29 PM Crom: so pin2 goes to X step + on driver, Pin 3 goes to X dir+ and step- and dir- goes to gnd or common
03:30 PM Crom: actually.. jbail89 check the COM to GND to see if they are connected.
03:31 PM Crom: then check COM between 8 and 9 to 5v next to 10 and 11
03:33 PM Crom: I'm downloading the maual for it
03:34 PM Crom: ahhh do you have 5v going into the en (enable) pin?
03:34 PM Crom: board won't work without that
03:34 PM Crom: put a little jumper wire between 5v and en over on the power block
03:35 PM Crom: ahh COM pins are configurable to to be 5v or grnd
03:36 PM Crom: jbail89: look at section 8 in the manual for the C10
03:36 PM Crom: page 6 and page 7
03:39 PM Crom: All in all the C10 isn't tat bad looking... terrible price though
03:41 PM Crom: JST-XH connectors are much nicer to play with
03:42 PM Crom: C10 wouldn't fit in my current case
03:45 PM kcj: Has anybody converted a Mazak VTC-41 or similare?
03:47 PM kcj: It has a Yasnac MX3 control and Yaskawa axis drives
03:47 PM rob_h: depends on your drives but prob have to change them
03:47 PM rob_h: i have to on a I80 at least but on older it might be analog still might get lucky
03:48 PM malcom2073: skunkworks converted a Matsurra which had a yasnac MX3 iirc
03:48 PM malcom2073: might've been a MX2
03:49 PM malcom2073: hmm, he seems to not be here heh
03:49 PM kcj: I'd like to reuse the drives if posible, since they power up OK, but reverce engeneering the iterface seems like a chanange
03:49 PM rob_h: whats the drive models
03:50 PM rob_h: then maybe someone can help more
03:51 PM JT-Shop: hey rob_h
03:51 PM rob_h: hi
03:51 PM rob_h: did u see my message about i got them cards
03:51 PM JT-Shop: yup, but you was gone by the time I saw it
03:52 PM kcj: rob_h: Don't know off the top of my head, sorry! The motors have resolvers, which makes me think they are anologe, but the macheine was built in 93
03:52 PM rob_h: yea been some early starts etc here so been in and out alot
03:53 PM rob_h: yaskawa have alot of info on the web btw and its all detailed so should be easy to find the interface pins
03:54 PM kcj: They said I had to be a certified dealer to get the pinouts prints, come on?
03:54 PM rob_h: just waiting on servos now JT then i can get on and rebuild :)
03:56 PM JT-Shop: where you getting the servos from?
03:56 PM rob_h: https://www.yaskawa.com/support-training/support/-/content/_a41d6d30-d775-4af9-8514-00a75f6c7540_MachineControllers?_yastabstemplate_WAR_yastabstemplateportlet_productName=MX3&_yastabstemplate_WAR_yastabstemplateportlet_selectpageRage=num
03:56 PM rob_h: MX3 Connecting Manual will have alot of pin outs from the control so you can then cross ref alot of that into a retrofit for cables
03:57 PM rob_h: as for the drives cant help there untill you know the model numbers but im sure the manual is around
03:58 PM rob_h: same on the spindle drive
04:00 PM rob_h: Estun but had to wait for Z motor to have brake added
04:02 PM kcj: Stupid me, I was trying to get the drive pinouts, but the control pinouts might be more useful actualy. I'll do some more digging.
04:02 PM kcj: Thanks Rob!
04:03 PM rob_h: some times drive pin outs are in a control manual as they are matched together as a package so read over afew of the other manuals
04:08 PM kcj: Will do. I also have all of the service manuals, but not at hand. Those should be invaluable
04:47 PM Deejay: gn8
04:50 PM JT-Shop: Gute Nacht
05:09 PM Crom: jbail89: you still here?
05:10 PM Crom: should really tell people to get andychat if they have to walk out tothe linuxcnc machine and have no chat out there
05:11 PM Crom: with my BT keyboard andychat and my phone work pretty well
05:50 PM Crom: jbail89: Bueller, Bueller, Bueller, ... , Bueller, Anyone?
05:52 PM malcom2073: Newp
06:07 PM JT-Shop: Yea the Q100 first flight
07:21 PM LeelooMinai: For machining this in alu, where this bottom part is a cover, I should probably subtract some material to avoid problems when inserting it, right? And if so, what is some reasonable thickness to remove?
07:21 PM LeelooMinai: http://i.imgur.com/nbcxtBS.png
07:22 PM XXCoder: wood?
07:22 PM zeeshan|2: depends on how accurate your machine is :)
07:22 PM LeelooMinai: XXCoder: Alu I wrote:)
07:23 PM XXCoder: doh im blind lol
07:23 PM LeelooMinai: Ok, well, sure, but I mean in general, when people would design enclosures like this, do they follow some rules of thumb?
07:24 PM zeeshan|2: 10 tho
07:24 PM zeeshan|2: thou
07:24 PM zeeshan|2: :P
07:24 PM LeelooMinai: So 250 microns...
07:24 PM zeeshan|2: if you really want to know the rule
07:25 PM zeeshan|2: most people follow machinery's handbook
07:25 PM LeelooMinai: I guess if I just mechined it raw from the model, I could end up having to hammer it in:)
07:25 PM zeeshan|2: theres a whole section on fits
07:25 PM SpeedEvil: LeelooMinai: consider also the springiness of the houseing
07:26 PM LeelooMinai: I wonder if it would work as interference fit...
07:26 PM SpeedEvil: LeelooMinai: chamfering the edges would basically make it slide over a fairly modest range of fits
07:26 PM gregcnc: sure but which fit? heavy press or rattle made in china fit?
07:26 PM LeelooMinai: Probably not a good idea (?)
07:26 PM SpeedEvil: What's it?
07:26 PM zeeshan|2: itll be hard to disassemble
07:27 PM zeeshan|2: http://imgur.com/a/a2mt7
07:27 PM zeeshan|2: finally got the bumper in
07:27 PM zeeshan|2: :D
07:27 PM SpeedEvil: chisel along the line, tappity tap
07:27 PM LeelooMinai: Well, there will be a threaded hole in the center for camera mounts, so it could be used to pull it out, but I don't know... sounds risky.
07:28 PM LeelooMinai: On the other hand it's just for me, so maybe I could just try milling it like this and see what I end up with, but yes, with chamfer there.
07:28 PM gregcnc: orings are sometimes enough grip to hold covers. threaded covers are nice too assuming it's round
07:29 PM gregcnc: that's a cool bumper setup
07:29 PM zeeshan|2: i love how subtle it is
07:30 PM zeeshan|2: gregcnc: when are you going to post more cnc videos? :D
07:30 PM gregcnc: maybe this week, of the kids spinners?
07:31 PM zeeshan|2: oh please dont tell me youre making a spinner
07:31 PM XXCoder: spinners all way down!
07:32 PM LeelooMinai: What are "spinners"...
07:32 PM XXCoder: oh fresh meat
07:32 PM gregcnc: https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/edcspinner/
07:33 PM LeelooMinai: ...
07:33 PM LeelooMinai: And the purpose of it is?
07:33 PM gregcnc: mainly to spend money
07:34 PM zeeshan|2: for people with ADD
07:34 PM zeeshan|2: :-)
07:34 PM XXCoder: the point is to spin you crazy
07:34 PM zeeshan|2: theyre cool looking though
07:34 PM LeelooMinai: Looks like something people with CNC machines would meme-up, to have something to do:)
07:34 PM gregcnc: and honestly I'd love to be making the kind of money some of those instagram guys are making on them
07:35 PM Vitran: There are things like this for people with ADD, but they are supposed to have the person constantly moving to use them. Spinners, once they spin, they spin
07:35 PM XXCoder: there was couple of machined spinners rather than 3d printed
07:35 PM XXCoder: Vitran: I have printed a few, I like em
07:35 PM LeelooMinai: I can make one in about 10 seconds and it will have 100x precision of those on the pictures:p
07:35 PM Vitran: They can be fun, no doubt
07:35 PM XXCoder: LeelooMinai: make and video please
07:35 PM XXCoder: I can wait 10 seconds
07:36 PM Vitran: So were fingerboards back in the day
07:36 PM gregcnc: walgreens and 7-11 even have the cheapo plastic china ones
07:36 PM LeelooMinai: All I need is to pull out the HDD platters from old HDD:)
07:36 PM * SpeedEvil imagines a thin brushless motor, battery. Spin it gently, and it accellerates to 30000RPM and you can't drop it for 5 minutes or you lose a hand.
07:36 PM XXCoder: SpeedEvil: someone used air pressure to go over 10,000 rpm
07:36 PM gregcnc: Speedevil that design has already run through my head
07:37 PM XXCoder: it was spinninbg so fast when he dropped it in blocks area it made sparks off concerete surface
07:37 PM Vitran: Should get a dentist drill turbine in the handle and link a CO2 cartridge people can have on their wrists to spin it up to insane speeds
07:37 PM gregcnc: https://www.instagram.com/p/BTyw0Oxjfrl/ hatchet spinner
07:38 PM XXCoder: air pressure spin it, then throw it at someone at 10,000 rpm :P
07:38 PM Vitran: Make Genji stars and sell them to Overwatch people
07:38 PM LeelooMinai: For hard-core and adventerous people, you can make the edges from diamond, one atom thick.
07:41 PM gregcnc: there is some crazy stuff out there saw a 24k gold, and this one http://www.realgearspinners.com/home/9-gear-fidget-spinner
07:41 PM LeelooMinai: What is the most common camera mount thread? 1/4-20?
07:41 PM gregcnc: yes
07:42 PM LeelooMinai: $600 - wonderful
07:42 PM gregcnc: china copy is <40USD
07:43 PM XXCoder: gregcnc: of course it exists.
07:43 PM XXCoder: why did you doubt it
07:43 PM gregcnc: I don't but I'm amazed at how quickly they copied it
07:44 PM Vitran: hehehe. $55 for a 3D printed fidget spinner https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/502994799/overwatch-genji-shuriken-hand-spinner
07:44 PM sync: because it is produced in china
07:45 PM LeelooMinai: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/zagAAOSw4A5YqdSB/$_57.JPG?set_id=8800005007 :(
07:47 PM zeeshan|2: Vitran: did rob_h send you the tool changer code
07:47 PM zeeshan|2: does he have a blog of his conversion
07:55 PM Vitran: I haven't seen a blog yet. He said he'd get me the code Monday
07:56 PM XXCoder: code or lies ;)
07:56 PM zeeshan|2: did he end up removing that control cabinet's guts
07:56 PM zeeshan|2: and putting all the new stuff in there?
07:56 PM Vitran: He said the control cabinet 'fell over' so he had to replace it. Some of the Hardinge Superslants had external PLC cabinets, I think
07:57 PM Vitran: that was the jist I got from Practical Machinists
07:58 PM zeeshan|2: ah
07:59 PM Vitran: There is plenty of room in the cabinet
07:59 PM Vitran: I did learn that the encoder on the lathe turret is 12VDC, while everything else is 24
07:59 PM Vitran: except for the 5VDC on the encoders. He had resolvers on his
08:00 PM Crom: LeelooMinai: camera thread 1/4-20 will work, it's actually a wentworth thread
08:00 PM Vitran: Which was why he switched the servos. He also upped the speed and power of the servos. The AC servos produced better transitions compared to the DC
08:01 PM Crom: as is the 3/8-16 thread for the bigger cameras it's also Wentworth
08:01 PM archivist: Whitworth not wentworth
08:01 PM zeeshan|2: i forget if the 7i77 can handle 12v encoders or not
08:01 PM zeeshan|2: i think it was 5v.
08:01 PM LeelooMinai: Prison Break Thread
08:01 PM Crom: archivist: thank you.... I'm only 1/2 British
08:01 PM Vitran: The encoders are 5V
08:02 PM zeeshan|2: yes but the turret encoder isnt like you said
08:02 PM Crom: been raininy all day...
08:05 PM Vitran: Hmmm. From the electrical prints it says 5-blk, 5-brn, 5-red, ect. on all the encoder wires. Could that mean 5 volts? I think he was indicating the 12V for the magnetic hall effect sensor to see if the tooling is locked in place
08:06 PM jbail89: Crom: Jymmm ; I went out and got a new card, should be able to test more tonight after I study for a bit
08:07 PM Vitran: From the little I have seen, the turret pops forward, rotates, then pulls back to lock. The hall effect sensor circuit is 12V.
08:07 PM zeeshan|2: oh
08:07 PM zeeshan|2: 12v would make sense for that.
08:08 PM Vitran: Other note was the machine has only 5m/min travel speed
08:08 PM Vitran: Tailstock is W axis, and keep the E-stop and E-stop reset button on the front panel.
08:09 PM zeeshan|2: is the tailstock on a lead screw
08:09 PM zeeshan|2: or a hydraulic cylinder
08:09 PM zeeshan|2: mines on a hydraulic cylinder
08:09 PM Vitran: Tailstock is on a ballscrew
08:09 PM zeeshan|2: nice!
08:09 PM Vitran: with a 8 tool turret
08:09 PM zeeshan|2: very nice
08:10 PM Vitran: He said a problem with Linux CNC is it cannot use both toolings at the same time
08:10 PM Vitran: Can
08:10 PM Vitran: 't have both toolings engaged and moving
08:11 PM zeeshan|2: im sure theres a way around :D
08:13 PM archivist: or run two copies of linuxcnc on it with some coordination
08:13 PM zeeshan|2: lol
08:15 PM archivist: I am serious, coordination via classic ladder maybe
08:39 PM Vitran: I've never sold anything online. I have a Fanuc T6 PLC I have no use for. Should I make an ebay account and sell it there
08:43 PM roycroft: you might be better off going through a broker
08:43 PM roycroft: most folks don't buy from ebay sellers with little or no history
08:43 PM roycroft: so if you want to sell it quickly, creating a new ebay account may not be the best way
08:49 PM jdh: T6? or 6T? or S6?
08:54 PM Vitran: Fanuc 6T
09:06 PM LeelooMinai: So, I have to start with making this: http://i.imgur.com/D1N8qNs.png
09:06 PM LeelooMinai: But it's tiny, and not sure how to clamp it.
09:09 PM LeelooMinai: Also, seems that I will have to position it 2 or 3 times, if I want to have sensible operations.
09:09 PM sync: clamp vertically, machine first feature, clamp on rim, face, contour, unclamp, turnaround, face
09:10 PM LeelooMinai: Right that notch will need to be done vertically, but how can I contour if it will be clamped on the edge?
09:11 PM guru_florida: Why clamp on the edge? Cant you clamp vertically but clamp top/bottom edge?
09:11 PM guru_florida: I.e. Then cut in X
09:12 PM guru_florida: (or maybe I misunderstood the 'edge' you are talking about)
09:12 PM Vitran: You could make it thicker and machine the surface you hold it down with thinner?
09:12 PM Vitran: You could double-sided sticky tape. I have done that. Have to be careful though
09:13 PM Vitran: It looks like it has a threaded hole. Could you tape and bolt it down?
09:13 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I thought about it, but it's blind.
09:14 PM LeelooMinai: I don't want the camera mount screw to squash the inner parts.
09:14 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, I guess clamping parts is a substantial problem in itself.
09:14 PM gregcnc: effective workholding takes some time to learn
09:15 PM Vitran: I made some very very tiny jaws for a part once. I needed to make a precision 1mm x 1mm x 150mm strip. Cut a small L shape into the corner of the jaws and use that
09:15 PM Vitran: A vacuum table would also work
09:16 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I saw those on some videos, but don't have one.
09:16 PM gregcnc: I generally use step jaws and soft jaws.
09:16 PM sync: you can also superglue it
09:16 PM sync: but you can just hold it on the step on the bottom
09:16 PM LeelooMinai: sync: But how do I countour it then...
09:16 PM Vitran: You could use clamps and bolt it to the table, do one half, move the clamps to the other side, and do the other side
09:16 PM sync: by milling?
09:17 PM sync: if your stock allows you have some overhang still
09:17 PM sync: so you only have to face when turned around
09:17 PM LeelooMinai: sync: No, I mean you sugest to clamp using the "step", but at this point it won't be ready yet,.
09:18 PM sync: that does not matter
09:18 PM sync: as long as you know where it will be
09:19 PM LeelooMinai: That assumes I will have larger stock?
09:20 PM gregcnc: chucking stock in depth is very convenient
09:20 PM gregcnc: but for that part not needed
09:20 PM sync: well, you will have to have oversized stock if you want to face it
09:20 PM LeelooMinai: I thought that I will have pre-cut material that has size of that part outline box.
09:20 PM sync: no
09:20 PM sync: that is almost never a good idea
09:21 PM LeelooMinai: Right, maybe that's not the best idea.
09:23 PM LeelooMinai: I saw many people using machinist vises - starting to wonder if I should have one.
09:23 PM LeelooMinai: Seem expensive though.
09:24 PM LeelooMinai: But clamping this vertically for example without a vise like that... don't know even how I can do that.
09:26 PM LeelooMinai: Unless I machine that notch with some 3D operation, but that seems kind of lame to me.
09:27 PM sync: if $45 is expensive to you, yes they are expensive
09:27 PM os1r1s: Anyone knwo the halui pin to pause
09:27 PM guru_florida: Yes, I can't imagine not having a machinist vise. You need one with downward pressure when clamping though. Mine was not that expensive I dont think.
09:28 PM sync: just get one of those chinese grinding vises, they are fine for most things
09:28 PM LeelooMinai: sync: I looked at prices and for $45 you cannot even buy good "normal" vise. That machinist ones seem to be $$$ - I mean the ones with very parallel edges, etc.
09:28 PM sync: then you have not looked right
09:28 PM guru_florida: I have 2 of these: https://www.amazon.com/VS-SLV2A-2-Toolmakers-Screwless-Vise/dp/B003042IPS/ref=sr_1_38?ie=UTF8&qid=1494208570&sr=8-38&keywords=machinist+vise
09:28 PM guru_florida: and some parallel bars!
09:28 PM LeelooMinai: But this is microscopic.
09:29 PM sync: so is your machine
09:29 PM LeelooMinai: Not in terms of movement rage...
09:29 PM LeelooMinai: range*
09:30 PM LeelooMinai: I mean I won't be able to put much in this vise
09:30 PM sync: you are not going to put in plate material anyway
09:30 PM LeelooMinai: It opens like what - 7.5cm
09:30 PM LeelooMinai: Less even.
09:30 PM sync: I think my 50mm vise is the most used one
09:30 PM sync: because it is akward to use a larger one for smaller stuff
09:31 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm...
09:31 PM sync: how many parts will you machine that will not fit into the vise that are not plate material
09:32 PM guru_florida: I went by the pic, It is small....Mine opens about 5-6". It does 90% of my parts. If I need larger than I use the table with clamps. The vise though is easier/faster setup on parts <5inches.
09:32 PM LeelooMinai: Who knows.... But even, say, some adapters for my steppers (for encoders) that I will do soon, may not fit in this vise.
09:33 PM guru_florida: I have two of them so I can place long parts between two vises. So I can do 5" x 20" if I want for example.
09:33 PM sync: I doubt that
09:35 PM LeelooMinai: What is "toolmaker vise" anyways?
09:36 PM sync: usually it means the style with the diagonal screw
09:37 PM LeelooMinai: Diagonal how?
09:38 PM roycroft: the movable jaw is tightened with a screw that goes down diagonally from the front of the jaw
09:38 PM roycroft: but imo, what more characterises a toolmaker's vise is that it has a flat bottom and square sides, so that it can be easily clamped in another vise
09:39 PM roycroft: the sides are usually precision ground square to the bottom
09:39 PM LeelooMinai: Hmm, so one can use those, what they are called, the flat pieces of metal to offset the material.
09:40 PM roycroft: parallels
09:40 PM roycroft: ?
09:40 PM guru_florida: to clarify roycrofts comment, the diagonal screw is what provides the downward and inward pressure so when you clamp the part doesnt force the 'free' vice end upward.
09:40 PM LeelooMinai: A, right. Probably should have those too.
09:40 PM roycroft: yes, guru_florida, thank you for that clarification
09:40 PM guru_florida: (thus resulting in slanted part alignment)
09:41 PM roycroft: but i've seen toolmaker's vises with horizontal screws
09:41 PM roycroft: which is why i think that the square sides are the more defining feature
09:41 PM LeelooMinai: A, so you meant this screw, not the long horizontal one? http://i.imgur.com/MABO2ex.png
09:42 PM roycroft: yes
09:42 PM LeelooMinai: So that part just slides there? There's no screw inside?
09:42 PM guru_florida: Correct...though there is no long horizontal one...I can see why you think there is one there, but there is not. The diagonal screw is really a T shape. The top of the T engages the underside of the vise.
09:42 PM LeelooMinai: When I searched for toolmaker vise I got both types, with long screws and not.
09:43 PM roycroft: both of which had sides that are precison ground square to the base
09:43 PM Vitran: The screw links to a bar that has a thread. The bar fits into slots on the bottom. You have to reposition the bar to clamp at different locations. You then tighten with the screw
09:44 PM guru_florida: Here is the underside of the vise: http://www.deansphotographica.com/machining/projects/mill/vise/13.jpg
09:45 PM LeelooMinai: So the notches are for rough position and the screw to tighten?
09:45 PM guru_florida: So simple and yet so hard to explain :)
09:45 PM guru_florida: yes
09:46 PM roycroft: say you have a part that is most convenient to machine with the part aligned along the y axis
09:46 PM LeelooMinai: It's more like a kind of clamping device.... Well, I guess so is a vise.
09:46 PM roycroft: but your main vise is aligned with the jaws along the x axis
09:46 PM roycroft: you mount the part in the toolmaker's vise and then mount that in the primary vise
09:46 PM roycroft: or you can mount your part in a toolmaker's vise and then moutn the toolmaker's vise in your main vise at an angle
09:47 PM roycroft: just as a couple examples of how it's useful
09:47 PM LeelooMinai: Right,. but now you need two vises on the CNC already.
09:47 PM roycroft: a toolmaker's vise is generally not installed on a machine table
09:48 PM LeelooMinai: Both of them must be precise, so that would be costly.
09:48 PM LeelooMinai: So it's a clamping device used to insert into a vise.
09:48 PM LeelooMinai: I guess that convenient.
09:48 PM roycroft: most machining programs in vocational schools/junior colleges have the students make a toolmaker's vise as one of their class projects
09:49 PM roycroft: so by the time you graduate you already have one
09:49 PM guru_florida: I'm just hobby, so I use it right on the table. Use my clamps to hold the vise down. Vise has excellent clamping grooves.
09:49 PM roycroft: it can be used that way, of course, guru_florida
09:49 PM roycroft: but most commonly one will have a large vise that's semi-perminantly mounted on a mill table
09:50 PM roycroft: and use a toolmaker's vise for the odd holding/fixturing of parts
09:50 PM LeelooMinai: My "local" place for machinist stuff is KBC, but when I went to their machinist vise section, I was killed by prices of Palmgreens, Kurts, Wiltons, etc.:)
09:50 PM guru_florida: Yup. I wish I could afford a Kurt too.
09:50 PM roycroft: leeloominai is correct that i can be thought of more as a precision clamping/fixturing device
09:51 PM roycroft: it can
09:51 PM roycroft: and they're not all that expensive, as they tend to be fairly small
09:51 PM roycroft: 1" or 2" is a common size
09:52 PM roycroft: they can be much larger, of course, but most commonly they're small
09:53 PM LeelooMinai: I guess with this things one has to be careful not to mill it by accident - like that NYC CNC guy did.
09:54 PM guru_florida: You can mill them just fine if you have enough HP and the right speed/feed. lol
09:54 PM guru_florida: been there
09:57 PM LeelooMinai: What about something like this to put directly on the table? http://www.kbctools.ca/products/WORK%20HOLDING/VISES%20@@26%20ACCESSORIES/MILLING%20MACHINE%20VISES/3867.aspx
09:57 PM guru_florida: Actually i've nicked the parallel bars more. They're harder.
10:01 PM guru_florida: I cant comment really. You may have to buy and try. Important thing is that when clamping the vice doesnt jack the part up. That's probably why Kurt et al vices are so expensive. They clamp with a horizontal screw but are precision enough not to jack part in Z axis. Toolmaker vices solve this with the diagonal screw but as you see have their cons.
10:01 PM guru_florida: Also, rotating vise will probably give you grief trying to square it with the XY axis.
10:02 PM LeelooMinai: Right, I was thinking that that rotating base is just taking vertical space.
10:02 PM guru_florida: Looks like you can remove it and toss it.
10:02 PM guru_florida: This may be a great vise, I dont know. You'll know immediately once you try to clamp something though.
10:06 PM guru_florida: ALL...On a different topic, I have the WHB04B Wireless MPG pendant. I have it working except display. I got some code from MKullman (linuxcnc forum) that can update the display. I'm looking to integrate the code into the existing WHB04B driver. Anyone interesting in helping? even testing?
10:09 PM DrippityDrops: toolmaker vise is great when used in combination with your larger mill vise, machine a face cut, flip toolmaker vise 90 degree reclamp in mill vise...
10:09 PM DrippityDrops: so, have lots of them if you can
10:15 PM DrippityDrops: one of these bases which could hold a regular toolmaker vise would be great, so you could use them like indexable fixtures
10:16 PM DrippityDrops: http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200483606_200483606
10:19 PM LeelooMinai: Too bad it's more expensive than my whole CNC:)
10:41 PM guru_florida: sweet!
10:43 PM Jymmm: Eh, I'm not impressed
11:12 PM jbail89-garage: So I got the new parallel port card in, I have -.3mv between pins 3 and 22 as opposed to the other card having +5v
11:21 PM jbail89-garage: didn't see that the card address changed
11:21 PM jbail89-garage: just updated it and the motors move now!!!
11:35 PM jbail89-garage: Can't thank you guys enough archivist, I really appreciate all the help!
11:38 PM jbail89-garage: now to study for finals!
11:53 PM XXCoder: looks like that guy had bad parallel card