#linuxcnc Logs
Apr 29 2017
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:28 AM Crom: metric clocks?
12:34 AM {HD}: Lol
12:37 AM Crom: candian metric clocks
12:51 AM Crom: ahhh they were decimal clocks... 10 hours, 100 minutes 100 seconds
01:07 AM roycroft: if they were canadian clocks they would display 73 hours, 73 minutes, 73 seconds
01:46 AM Crom: looking at a new mono laser printer. $200 for a HP M227fdw takes 30x toner, has scanner & fax, so it'll print, scan. fax, copy. and it has wireless...
01:48 AM Crom: about time to replace my hp lj1320d, it's 10 years old... Rollers are failing to grab shiney paper
01:48 AM Crom: that I paid $600 for
01:48 AM * toner is afraid of the M227fdw
01:49 AM toner: won't take me and my 29 bretheren :P
01:49 AM Crom: heh
01:49 AM toner: ;)
01:50 AM Crom: my ex plus3 printer server showed up to, not I can print for all my machines again
01:50 AM Crom: s/not/now/
02:01 AM IchGucksLive: morning from a cold sunny germany
02:01 AM TurBoss: hello
02:02 AM IchGucksLive: ;-) -> TurBoss
02:03 AM TurBoss: What i should go for home/limits? inductors or micro switch?
02:03 AM IchGucksLive: up to you
02:03 AM TurBoss: ok
02:03 AM IchGucksLive: 5 Micro switches 4USD
02:03 AM IchGucksLive: 3 inductors 50USD
02:03 AM IchGucksLive: the precisin is the same
02:04 AM TurBoss: does inductors detect aluminium?
02:04 AM IchGucksLive: no
02:04 AM TurBoss: ok
02:04 AM TurBoss: so micros
02:04 AM IchGucksLive: but a screw in the ALU
02:04 AM TurBoss: ah
02:04 AM TurBoss: cool
02:05 AM TurBoss: for that price i'll go micros
02:06 AM IchGucksLive: where in the world are you
02:06 AM TurBoss: spain
02:06 AM TurBoss: near africa :D
02:06 AM Crom: my induction sensors read AL just fine
02:06 AM IchGucksLive: "la manana
02:07 AM Crom: if you go micros, wire normally open and put a capacitor across them
02:08 AM TurBoss: NO? not NC?
02:08 AM TurBoss: and caps for debounce?
02:09 AM Crom: yep.. if you wire them NC they can vibrate open... wired NO you can also use them as limit switch as well
02:09 AM TurBoss: cool!
02:09 AM TurBoss: thanks
02:09 AM IchGucksLive: i use on all Maschines NC
02:09 AM IchGucksLive: and wire in line
02:10 AM TurBoss: so you only need one input right?
02:10 AM IchGucksLive: so only one parport for all 3 switches
02:10 AM TurBoss: ok
02:10 AM TurBoss: I have 2 parports
02:10 AM Crom: I can't on my 3040... I wire them NO and in parallel for max limits, and NO seperately for home/min limits
02:12 AM TurBoss: I also need a maxim 232 for my dro display
02:12 AM IchGucksLive: Crom if you go one side switch then you got the limits also
02:12 AM IchGucksLive: with only 3 switches
02:12 AM IchGucksLive: nt 9
02:14 AM IchGucksLive: TurBoss: there is a serial out via USB
02:14 AM TurBoss: I', currently using serial
02:14 AM TurBoss: over usb
02:14 AM TurBoss: but I have 5 rs232 ports
02:14 AM IchGucksLive: VFD modbus
02:14 AM Crom: that works too
02:14 AM IchGucksLive: ok then you know how to do
02:14 AM TurBoss: I don't like usb
02:15 AM IchGucksLive: im off to the forest
02:16 AM IchGucksLive: http://www.ebay.es/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR3.TRC1.A0.H0.Xmicroswitch.TRS0&_nkw=microswitch&_sacat=0
02:16 AM IchGucksLive: tourbos in ES 1euro for 2 pices
02:17 AM IchGucksLive: http://www.ebay.es/itm/2x-Final-de-carrera-con-palanca-pletina-conmutador-5A-250v-microswitch-/221597541196
02:17 AM TurBoss: cool
02:17 AM IchGucksLive: its a NC/NO so you are open to all
02:17 AM TurBoss: I can go to my local electricity shop here
02:17 AM TurBoss: I jus have to wait to 10:00
02:18 AM TurBoss: could be more expensive but I can have it now
02:18 AM IchGucksLive: Jesus is also around Valencia and build lots of mashines
02:18 AM TurBoss: Jseus?
02:18 AM TurBoss: Jesus**
02:18 AM IchGucksLive: Alos industries
02:19 AM IchGucksLive: he is here offen at worktime
02:19 AM TurBoss: I'm 50 km from Valencia
02:19 AM TurBoss: hmm can't find any Alos industries
02:20 AM TurBoss: in google.
02:20 AM IchGucksLive: connect him if he is here
02:21 AM TurBoss: will do, it would be cool to have support, even if paid
02:21 AM IchGucksLive: support here is free
02:21 AM IchGucksLive: i need to go BYE
02:21 AM TurBoss: I mean..
02:21 AM TurBoss: Real support if I have problems...
02:22 AM TurBoss: that i can't fix
02:31 AM Deejay: moin
02:33 AM TurBoss: hello
02:36 AM TurBoss: does anyone here have a lp1205 breakout board, I want it for the limits/home not steps
02:36 AM TurBoss: I have a question with the power input...
02:36 AM TurBoss: there are 2
02:36 AM TurBoss: should be one for the field power and another for the logic?
02:40 AM archivist: never heard of that board
02:41 AM archivist: google does not know much if anything either
02:41 AM TurBoss: db25-1205 breakout board
02:42 AM TurBoss: this reveals something
02:42 AM archivist: from where
02:42 AM TurBoss: google.e
02:42 AM TurBoss: .com
02:42 AM TurBoss: not lp1205 is db25-1205
02:44 AM TurBoss: AFK for a min
02:53 AM * TurBoss is back
02:58 AM TurBoss: ok I found this
02:58 AM TurBoss: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/18846/BOB1205schematic.pdf
04:30 AM XXCoder: boo
05:28 AM jthornton: hoo
05:29 AM XXCoder: hey jthornton
05:29 AM jthornton: what's up this morning
05:29 AM XXCoder: just chilling. had overtime today
05:30 AM jthornton: flash flood watch till 1pm here
05:30 AM jthornton: tornado watch a few miles north of me
05:32 AM jthornton: going to try and configure the Q100 this morning
05:33 AM XXCoder: cool :)
05:33 AM XXCoder: I think ill work on spindle sensor tomorrow/today
05:34 AM jthornton: for the mill? or is it a router I forgot?
05:34 AM XXCoder: router
05:34 AM XXCoder: I had epoxied magnets inside fan area
05:35 AM XXCoder: issue im having is figuring how to connect sensor to BOB
05:35 AM XXCoder: 12v vs 5v
05:35 AM XXCoder: I guess have to use divider again
05:35 AM jthornton: sensor is 12v?
05:35 AM XXCoder: yeah magnet senspr
05:35 AM archivist: may well have transitions too fast for a BOB input
05:35 AM XXCoder: it didnt work on 5v
05:36 AM XXCoder: that might be because flawed magnet setup last test
05:36 AM jthornton: yea I was wondering the same thing about speed
05:36 AM XXCoder: 2 point magnet, to counterbalance
05:39 AM XXCoder: well
05:39 AM jthornton: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9312
05:39 AM XXCoder: gonna test that stuff out lol
05:40 AM XXCoder: cheaper but no enclosure and stuff heh
05:40 AM archivist: also the count rate can be too high for linuxcnc
05:41 AM XXCoder: someone menioned using divider to say 1/10
05:41 AM XXCoder: then multiple result by 10 for display for data usage
05:45 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUQZcrd-ln0
05:47 AM XXCoder: archivist: I have seen people use such setup on BOB so im not sure
05:47 AM XXCoder: mine would max out at 24000 edges per second
05:47 AM XXCoder: er minuyte
05:48 AM archivist: check your loop time
05:48 AM XXCoder: loop time?
05:49 AM archivist: period you set in the ini
05:49 AM XXCoder: hmm ok will look into it
06:11 AM TurBoss1: hello
06:16 AM TurBoss: Hello TurBoss1
06:16 AM TurBoss: :D
06:16 AM TurBoss: oh he left
06:16 AM TurBoss: :_)
06:16 AM XXCoder: dammit I just arrived with gun to kill off the clone
06:18 AM TurBoss: too late
07:31 AM jthornton: lol Linux Mint 18.1 doesn't have a pdf viewer so it opens them up in gimp
07:33 AM XXCoder: fancy
07:33 AM XXCoder: I wonder what would be better linu distro now
07:33 AM XXCoder: ubuntu is killing unity
07:33 AM TurBoss: also there is no calc in the linuxcnc installation iso
07:33 AM TurBoss: :D
07:33 AM XXCoder: I hated unityu
07:33 AM XXCoder: TurBoss: that was annoying yeah lol
07:33 AM TurBoss: or there is one?
07:33 AM XXCoder: so far I know, nope. had to add it
07:34 AM XXCoder: I need to get another ti-84. ghmm ebay maybe...
07:34 AM XXCoder: I use my over decade old obe all time.
08:13 AM jthornton: chick box is cleaned out and ready for another day of eating, pooping, sleeping, pooping, wandering around, pooping and more pooping
08:15 AM _methods: sounds like what i do all day
08:15 AM zeeshan: lol
08:15 AM zeeshan: jthornton: are they for eggs?
08:18 AM jthornton: yea
08:19 AM jthornton: still waiting to see how many hens and how many roosters lol
08:19 AM jthornton: one is much bigger than the others
08:19 AM pcw_home: we always seem to get a few roosters
08:34 AM jthornton: how many chickens do you raise?
09:00 AM pcw_home: weve had as many as 18 or so
09:00 AM pcw_home: were down to almost none now (foxes last year)
09:01 AM jym: pcw_home: They got into the hen house?
09:02 AM pcw_home: At night, yes
09:02 AM jym: pcw_home: Thru the door? Under the walls?
09:03 AM jym: Had a key? lol
09:03 AM pcw_home: Weve had chickens here for about 16 years and weve never had such a predator issue
09:03 AM gregcnc: fox in chicken clothing
09:04 AM pcw_home: occasional hit& runs from coyotes and dogs but the foxes were relentless
09:04 AM jym: pcw_home: But HOW did they get in?
09:05 AM pcw_home: the chickens were free range during the day
09:05 AM _methods: aka free lunch
09:05 AM _methods: lol
09:05 AM jym: pcw_home: But I thought you said the foxes hit at night?
09:06 AM pcw_home: They go in to the coop at night
09:07 AM pcw_home: (the chickens)
09:07 AM pcw_home: all were lost in the daytime
09:07 AM jym: ah
09:08 AM jym: I'm thinking electric fence (wire)
09:10 AM jym: http://www.harborfreight.com/solar-fencer-47454.html
09:12 AM gregcnc: any ideas for inexpensive neat cutting oil chlroine/sulfur free? tempted to buy cheapest hydraulic oil i can find
09:14 AM jym: gregcnc: https://www.amazon.com/LPS-01216-Tapmatic-Aquacut-Turquoise/dp/B005ENS8FM
09:14 AM gregcnc: 40 gallons is quite expensive
09:14 AM jym: Thats for 12 bottles http://www.skygeek.com/lps01216.html?gclid=CKOd5qHmydMCFVS1wAod2Z8JJA
09:16 AM sync: hydraulic oil probably has EP additives as well
09:16 AM sync: I just buy the cheapest stuff ebay has to offer
09:17 AM gregcnc: this is to fill the sump of a small cnc lathe vs water based coolant because the machine doesn't see use daily
09:17 AM gregcnc: neat oil seem to run 20-40USD/gallon
09:22 AM jym: corn oil is $5/gal =)
09:23 AM jym: or use CRISCO =)
09:23 AM jym: then you machining will be nice and flaky =)
09:31 AM FloppyDisk5_25: The whole oil thing confuses me. Would be a good hacker write up by someone who knows what's in that stuff. I bought a little bit of bar/chain oil to smear on anything that needs oil. Like shovels after use, etc.
09:31 AM FloppyDisk5_25: Supposedly has a 'stickin' agent, which makes sense. Someone on the irc recommended it.
09:33 AM archivist: I sometimes use axle/gear oil for machining
09:33 AM gregcnc: I looked into veggie, but that's no better than any water based without proper additives it goes rancid.
09:34 AM gregcnc: most "eco" neat oils are canola based
09:34 AM gregcnc: canola/rapeseed
09:38 AM FloppyDisk5_25: BTW, whoever recommended the bar and chain oil -thank you. I don't use it often, but always think of Lcnc IRC. Ha - that's funny:-)
10:01 AM gregcnc: sync is there a popular euro machinist forum?
10:02 AM sync: idk, yurop being so multilingual makes that kinda hard
10:03 AM gregcnc: lol changing my search language in google didn't change the results
10:04 AM sync: FloppyDisk5_25: idk, I just read the datasheets and the standards applying to the oils and go from there
10:04 AM FloppyDisk5_25: Sometimes good ideas aren't really that hard!:-)
10:05 AM TurBoss: Hello again
10:47 AM thomasvansteenki: Hi machinists!
10:47 AM thomasvansteenki: i have a question
10:48 AM thomasvansteenki: During the last 6 months i've been busy writing cnc scripts (that outputs g-code) to automate high-speed milling toolpaths. This is cumbersome and scales badly (for every shape a new script etc). What software would you guys recommend to automate this?
10:49 AM thomasvansteenki: Stuff like 100 parallel paths won't cut it, as we need to run a production..
10:50 AM archivist: some use CAM then hand optimise
10:51 AM thomasvansteenki: Hand optimisation is not an option :(
10:51 AM thomasvansteenki: my scripts are written in a way that you can choose any tool to do the job. (within a valid range ofcourse)
10:52 AM sync: then just use the cam output and deal with it
10:52 AM thomasvansteenki: even for high speed?
10:52 AM sync: sure
10:52 AM thomasvansteenki: these are adaptive strategies, not like 100 parallel passes.
10:53 AM thomasvansteenki: what cam is capable of this? (for more than 2d pocketing)
10:53 AM sync: all the usual ones will do it
10:54 AM gregcnc: high speed machining isn't new? Every CAM has one form or another
10:54 AM sync: gibbscam, mastercam, solidcam imachining, you name it
10:55 AM thomasvansteenki: I'll check those out, thanks!
10:57 AM zeeshan: youre writing highspeed strategies
10:57 AM zeeshan: using scripts???!
10:57 AM zeeshan: impressive
10:58 AM zeeshan: gregcnc: it is in some software
10:58 AM zeeshan: especially when you start doing 3d
10:58 AM gregcnc: there are some without?
10:58 AM thomasvansteenki: heh, it worked but now the pressure to produce alot of different parts is too high
11:00 AM zeeshan: yea opti-core just showed up
11:00 AM zeeshan: a couple mastercam versions ago
11:01 AM thomasvansteenki: though, all the adaptive clearing strategies seem to be based around pocketing
11:01 AM zeeshan: nah
11:01 AM zeeshan: you can do 3d adaptive
11:01 AM zeeshan: on islands and other features
11:01 AM thomasvansteenki: oh
11:01 AM thomasvansteenki: good :O
11:01 AM zeeshan: anywhere you need to remove a lot of material
11:01 AM zeeshan: you have an appropriate high speed path
11:02 AM thomasvansteenki: also semi-pockets?
11:02 AM thomasvansteenki: with an open edge
11:02 AM zeeshan: what are semi pockers
11:02 AM zeeshan: oh
11:02 AM zeeshan: yea you can do it
11:02 AM thomasvansteenki: ok, thanks. Ill need to google a bit better :)
11:03 AM zeeshan: if youre looking at inventor hsm
11:03 AM zeeshan: which i assume you are cause youre calling high speed machining paths adaptive
11:03 AM zeeshan: you click alt when selecting the open geometry
11:03 AM zeeshan: itll register it as an open pocket
11:06 AM thomasvansteenki: Was calling it adaptive as it specifies more what i mean than just turning up the speed knob :)
11:06 AM thomasvansteenki: im lookint at hsm now
11:06 AM enleth: even F360 has adaptive 3D clearing available, FWIW
11:06 AM thomasvansteenki: :O
11:07 AM thomasvansteenki: Is it fast to regenerate?
11:07 AM thomasvansteenki: as in, tool of radius 7.5 broken but a tool of radius 8 does the job as well, so the cnc operator gets this done in 5 min?
11:08 AM thomasvansteenki: (regenerating the program for radius 8)
11:09 AM enleth: haven't used 3D adaptive yet, but in general it feels rather fast, toolpath regen isn't exactly realtime but the delays are reasonable
11:09 AM thomasvansteenki: if it takes 10 min for a job of an hour its not a problen, but if it takes 10 min for a job of 10 min it becomes a problem :)
11:10 AM thomasvansteenki: hdsm is the professional version of 360, right?
11:10 AM thomasvansteenki: hsm*
11:11 AM Tom_L: hey zeeshan
11:11 AM enleth: you could say that I guess, Inventor/HSM will probably stay there for the high-end market while F360 with its builtin CAM gets the small business covered
11:12 AM gregcnc: HSMWorks is a CAM plugin for SW
11:13 AM thomasvansteenki: oh my
11:13 AM thomasvansteenki: this gets better
11:14 AM thomasvansteenki: which would also mean i can define my parts parametrically? (we make lots of different but very simular stuff)
11:14 AM enleth: gregcnc: I was referring to Autodesk HSM, but yes, there's that too
11:14 AM Tom_L: catia has built in cam but it's not as nice as some of the others
11:15 AM sync: thomasvansteenki: you just adjust the cutter radius comp, but you really should have enough endmills of one size
11:15 AM sync: it is not cost effective to repost the part for a broken tool
11:15 AM Tom_L: you can do table driven stuff in SW too
11:15 AM gregcnc: What CAD are you using?
11:17 AM Tom_L: who
11:17 AM thomasvansteenki: True, sync. But we also have a grinding/sharpening shop to service mills and such, so the radius is more like 7.86, the next time it's sharpend 7.6.... etc
11:18 AM gregcnc: Do any HSM paths use cutter comp?
11:18 AM Tom_L: i would hope any cam worth it's salt would
11:18 AM thomasvansteenki: which shouldn't be a problem if using cutter composition, but i can't imagine CAM generated stuff has this
11:18 AM sync: what?
11:18 AM sync: sure
11:19 AM thomasvansteenki: oh
11:19 AM sync: you just need to output cutter centerline
11:19 AM sync: and let the control figure it out
11:19 AM sync: the only drawback is that you need to have your overlap large enough not to leave material
11:19 AM thomasvansteenki: then there is no radius comp?
11:20 AM thomasvansteenki: overlap is extremely sensitive in our case. 0.15 or 0.1 can maka a huge difference. (it's steel we're milling)
11:20 AM sync: it would be much easier if you told your sharpening shop to sharpen a batch of tools to a preset diameter, or just buy new ones, under 10mm it usually is cheaper
11:21 AM zeeshan: hi tom
11:21 AM Tom_L: what you been up to?
11:21 AM sync: and then you burn through 10 endmills at 7.6mm and just use the cutter comp to adjust for the small differences
11:21 AM zeeshan: work, work, car stuff, car stuff, camping, camping, machining
11:21 AM zeeshan: :-)
11:21 AM zeeshan: you?
11:21 AM sync: as you should, with preset tools
11:22 AM Tom_L: car shopping
11:22 AM zeeshan: did you buy one yet?!?
11:22 AM Tom_L: for her yes
11:22 AM thomasvansteenki: True, sync. Too bad i gave them too much luxory in these last 6 months to get that through :P
11:22 AM Tom_L: 18 equinox, only one in town
11:22 AM zeeshan: gregcnc: i dont think they use cutter comp
11:23 AM gregcnc: right
11:23 AM * zeeshan takes a look
11:23 AM sync: well, then you are reposting code everytime thomasvansteenki
11:23 AM zeeshan: i dont see why you would need it there
11:23 AM zeeshan: though
11:23 AM sync: which will hurt your bottom line massively
11:23 AM zeeshan: cause its for roughing, not finishing
11:24 AM zeeshan: yea it has no cutter com
11:24 AM zeeshan: comp
11:24 AM zeeshan: only conventional paths have it
11:24 AM sync: yeah, it kinda defeats the purpose
11:24 AM sync: but it certainly is possible
11:24 AM Tom_L: zeeshan, been a while but how did you end up holding that round part?
11:25 AM thomasvansteenki: True, sync. But the tool table is easily manipulated in my scripts and regenerating them is generally no more than 60 secs
11:25 AM sync: but why would you spend 60s when you can spend 10s in the tool table only?
11:25 AM Tom_L: and require one less worker
11:26 AM gregcnc: sync I'm curious which CAM posts comp hsm/adaptive roughing paths
11:26 AM sync: gregcnc: I did it with volumill for nx
11:26 AM sync: I can just define which kind of output code it gives
11:26 AM zeeshan: i forgot what round part
11:26 AM zeeshan: lol
11:27 AM Tom_L: the round plate series
11:27 AM zeeshan: miteebite clamps
11:27 AM sync: if it is outline or tool center
11:27 AM zeeshan: on a fixture plate
11:28 AM thomasvansteenki: sync, if you indeed define radius left/right on the toolpath the tool radius becomes a none-issue if within the range of say half a mm
11:28 AM thomasvansteenki: which is our case
11:28 AM thomasvansteenki: thanks
11:28 AM zeeshan: looks like we're going ahead with training all our machinists
11:28 AM zeeshan: on inventor and hsm
11:28 AM zeeshan: :-)
11:30 AM thomasvansteenki: oh one last question
11:31 AM thomasvansteenki: does hsm support 3 + 2 axis milling?
11:31 AM thomasvansteenki: as in we have a rotary table
11:31 AM thomasvansteenki: not cnc-controlled
11:32 AM sync: you can do 5 axis hsm for sure
11:33 AM thomasvansteenki: its not exactly 5 axis either :)
11:33 AM Tom_L: you'd have to be careful with the cam on that
11:33 AM thomasvansteenki: basically it's readjusting the position of the part, does hsm remember what's milled and what not?
11:33 AM thomasvansteenki: etc
11:34 AM Tom_L: i would think it would act like a 3 axis part that has a new position
11:35 AM thomasvansteenki: hmm
11:35 AM Tom_L: that's likely how i would treat it anyway
11:35 AM thomasvansteenki: i suppose if i can, apart from translating the origin, also rotate it, it shouln't be an issue
11:35 AM Tom_L: in that case it should remember the cuts although i don't use HSM
11:36 AM IchGucksLive: hi all from a sunny germany
11:36 AM Tom_L: i'd likely use another fixture offset for it
11:36 AM Tom_L: G45 G55 etc
11:37 AM enleth: thomasvansteenki: in case a better solution doesn't come up, perhaps you could get it to generate as few table moves as possible, and all of them without other axes moving, then insert program pauses into the gcode in place of the moves and have the operator move the table accordingly, then restart
11:37 AM gregcnc: modify the post to change A axis moves to M1 with a message
11:38 AM gregcnc: you'd be using indexed rotary not continuous
11:38 AM thomasvansteenki: that would work
11:39 AM thomasvansteenki: and yeah i could probably change the output syntax stuff from hsm itself
11:39 AM sync: thomasvansteenki: most cams will support IPWs
11:39 AM thomasvansteenki: it's never continuous 5 axis work we do
11:40 AM thomasvansteenki: IPW?
11:40 AM sync: in progress workpiece
11:40 AM thomasvansteenki: ah ic
11:40 AM thomasvansteenki: thanks!
11:46 AM IchGucksLive: thomasvansteenki: what is the main part standard 2D ,2.5D ,3D
11:46 AM IchGucksLive: there are cams for etch system to be prefered
11:51 AM thomasvansteenki: hmm, a mix of 2.5d and 3d
11:51 AM thomasvansteenki: 2.5d within a cycle, but we generally need to turn the parts 5 times before theyre done
11:53 AM thomasvansteenki: (and we do use a magnetic table so we get the 4 sides and top side in 1 go)
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: ao its a 5 Axis mashine or manuell part change
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: or 4 Axis so XYZ A
11:56 AM IchGucksLive: to get on 4 sides
11:58 AM thomasvansteenki: 3 axis XYZ, A and B(if attached) are manual
11:59 AM thomasvansteenki: generally A is enough
12:00 PM thomasvansteenki: through some math i recalculate the origin myself and is within 0.03mm correct :)
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: so bestr is then to go for a MESSAGE to turn the A axis
12:00 PM IchGucksLive: then hold on M1
12:00 PM thomasvansteenki: the 4 sides are done with the tool length it self
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: and press a Button to continue
12:01 PM thomasvansteenki: but then there are angled pockets and such
12:01 PM thomasvansteenki: yes, i do something simular :)
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: you can do a Tool Length differnet on etch side
12:01 PM IchGucksLive: G43 Hx is not connected to the tool numbere in LCNC
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: so G43 H04 can be called on T1
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: also the Diameter for CRC arend connected to the tool
12:02 PM thomasvansteenki: but that's not an issue really
12:02 PM IchGucksLive: G41 D6 can be called with T2
12:03 PM IchGucksLive: ok then im as always of the Theme Sorry
12:03 PM thomasvansteenki: we do 15 tool calls for each part if not more :)
12:04 PM thomasvansteenki: cnc keeps track of tool sizes
12:07 PM IchGucksLive: great
12:08 PM IchGucksLive: Hypermill cam system
12:09 PM thomasvansteenki: It does seem odd that all cad cam systems are based on cleverness :)
12:09 PM thomasvansteenki: instead of brute-force techniques
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: Force means only chipload
12:13 PM IchGucksLive: you can go hard but it pays on mashine and tool
12:21 PM thomasvansteenki: brute force calculations
12:21 PM thomasvansteenki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brute-force_search
12:22 PM thomasvansteenki: for each next step, check all possible steps, and then perform the best one. (which is as adaptive as it gets)
12:25 PM IchGucksLive: that is ew to me as parts are step by step on contour
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: you cand make a tread without hole
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: even when the the tread tool is next in chain
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: it is also not a good idee to cut rouph with the fine tool as no tool change
12:27 PM thomasvansteenki: true
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: so im not with you on this
12:27 PM thomasvansteenki: that is common sense :)
12:27 PM IchGucksLive: the Hypermill has an option
12:27 PM thomasvansteenki: not the cleverness i was referring too, but i agree that your points could become an issue if not well thought out
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: the rouph tool stands to 80% chipload at calculation
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: then changes the fine tool to roupg and the break tool is going to be fine tool
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: but that is best on mazak tol managment
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: tool
12:29 PM thomasvansteenki: roughing is generally done 0.3mm clear of the side/floor
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: you got 4 option tools MAX
12:29 PM thomasvansteenki: in our shop at least
12:29 PM IchGucksLive: thomasvansteenki: commen world wide done by CRC
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: Heidenhein calls labels
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: LCNC goes for O
12:30 PM thomasvansteenki: yeah, we use heidenhain
12:31 PM thomasvansteenki: (a scripting language that outputs gcode really)
12:31 PM thomasvansteenki: though its a terrible scripting language at that
12:34 PM IchGucksLive: you can run the Heidenhein on Gcode ISO as well
12:37 PM thomasvansteenki: yep :)
12:38 PM thomasvansteenki: still, heidenhain is useful for very simple stuff, especially an operator. (drilling, tapping, flattening)..
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: agrees full
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: even on non 2D Mashines
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: Maho 400 School aducation
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: its a wonderfull mashine for making parts flat
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: Drilling
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: i work alot with them
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: it ony got one Motor for the Axis
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: so no side move only straight
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: quick and dirty code
12:47 PM IchGucksLive: Dlill cycle
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: Label all you need Incremental of cause
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: Call LBL 1 Rep 8
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: nothing else to drill a line of holes
12:50 PM thomasvansteenki: heh
12:50 PM thomasvansteenki: true
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: im off for today did (finish) 2 mashines today not quite good but the chees is on the table Foam milling is quite fast
12:50 PM thomasvansteenki: it does become a gigantic for complex stuff
12:50 PM thomasvansteenki: gigantic mess*
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: thomasvansteenki: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmwhCL92ZQRSVqFe3jGwJSQ
12:50 PM thomasvansteenki: ok!
12:50 PM thomasvansteenki: cya later
12:51 PM thomasvansteenki: thanks for the link
12:51 PM IchGucksLive: its my youtube channel for more infos
12:51 PM thomasvansteenki: i'll check i
12:51 PM thomasvansteenki: t
01:01 PM RomanC: Guten Abend. Ist hier jemand der sich ein wenig mit Linux cnc und Mesakarten auskennt? Dazu noch Deutsch spricht? :-)
01:06 PM Crom: morning RomanC
01:06 PM RomanC: hello crom
01:06 PM RomanC: good evening :-)
01:09 PM Crom: I don't have a mesa card :(
01:14 PM RomanC: but you work with linux cnc?
01:15 PM Crom: yep
01:17 PM tommylight: What's up?
01:17 PM tommylight: or down?
01:18 PM tommylight: Forum looks to be down, for me at least
01:18 PM Crom: sitting here figuring out how to use Arsuino mega analog pins as digital pins
01:19 PM Crom: they are on PORTF and PORTK
01:19 PM tommylight: <<<<knows nothing arduino
01:19 PM Crom: so you end up with 40 bits 5 bytes for 40 pins.
01:20 PM tommylight: not much
01:21 PM tommylight: never bothered to look at it's architecture
01:21 PM RomanC: @crop. jo take arduino?
01:21 PM RomanC: ups.. sorry. you take arduino?
01:21 PM Crom: pins 2,3,18,19,20,21 are on interrupts so you have 6 bits for an ISR return variable. and 4,5,6,7,8,9,1,12,13 for pwm
01:22 PM Crom: trying to build a mesa like board out of a Arduino mega with ethernet shield
01:22 PM tommylight: How is ethernet wired internaly?
01:23 PM tommylight: i aks becouse i know PI has ethernet through USB
01:23 PM tommylight: and that is not good for RT applications
01:23 PM Crom: 22-29,30-37,42-49,54-60,61-69 (54-69 are actually the A0-A15 analog pins used as digital)
01:24 PM Crom: are on PORTA, PORTC, PORTL, PORTF, and PORTK
01:25 PM Crom: using an ARduino hooked directly to a computers ethernet port will be good enough RT
01:26 PM tommylight: DaBit has done something similar
01:26 PM tommylight: DaBit@youtube
01:26 PM tommylight: he used USB i think
01:28 PM Crom: I've seen code for an Arduino uno which gives you 14 pins, with the mega you get 55 usuable pins.. there are several pins which like 16 and 17 you'd have to poll... which I'm not using
01:29 PM tommylight: ok
01:30 PM tommylight: how many pins can you actualy use
01:30 PM tommylight: got it up there
01:30 PM tommylight: 9 pwm
01:30 PM Crom: 50,51,52,53 are used for ethernet pin 10 is used for ethernet, but with recomiling the ethernet library you can switch pin 10 to pin 53 and reclaim it for pwm, pin 4 is for sd card select, but since I'm not using the card, I get that back as well.
01:33 PM Crom: pins 14,15,16,17 are serial ports 1 & 3 18,19 are serial port 2 - but are better used as interrupt pins
01:34 PM Crom: so 55 or 56 pins are actually usable on the mega
01:36 PM Crom: pins 20 and 21 are used for the LCD, so you'd loose 2 ISR pins if you also use a LCD panel
01:36 PM Crom: better off using pins 16,17 to a nano pro to drive a LCD
01:37 PM Crom: and read the buttons...
01:42 PM Crom: thinking of using PORTA for STEP and PORTC for Direction, PORTF, PORTK and PORTL for inputs and output for controlling relays and/or step and dir for tool changer, and home switches, use the ISR pins for high speed inputs like spindle A, spindle B
01:42 PM Crom: spindle index....
01:43 PM tommylight: got it
01:45 PM tommylight: ISR, how many pulses per sec can they read
01:46 PM Crom: many on a 16mhz arduino you can read 24khz pretty easliely
01:47 PM tommylight: ok
01:47 PM Crom: https://pastebin.com/Rndt0gaz
01:48 PM tommylight: that makes over 600 rpm on a 2000cpr encoder
01:48 PM tommylight: not much buch usable for sure
01:48 PM Crom: they'll encode 48khz audio
01:49 PM tommylight: all of the ISR inputs?
01:50 PM Crom: I haven't looked at the clocks per port read.... but the encode limit is probably closer to 100khz
01:50 PM tommylight: LOL @ floppy disk 5.25
01:50 PM tommylight: nice
01:50 PM Crom: err 100mhz
01:50 PM tommylight: @floppy, thank you for making me smile
01:50 PM Crom: crap..
01:51 PM Crom: 1mhz
01:51 PM Crom: some where between 50khz and 1mhz...
01:51 PM tommylight: wow did not know that
01:55 PM Crom: The Arduino uses fclk I/O = 16MHz, so your frequency of 80kHz is way below the maximum rating.
01:56 PM sync: well the problem is that you still need to do some processing
01:56 PM sync: what good is it if you can read a register at 16MHz and there are no cycles left to do anything else?
01:59 PM Crom: which is why I'm trying to lean down the code so I have cycles left for other things... my spindle rotine is just for spindle rpm now positioning... so I only have 3ppr on spindle A
01:59 PM Crom: 36khz at 12000 rpm
02:00 PM Crom: if I get it to the point I need more head room, I can switch to an Arduino due which is 80mhz
02:00 PM sync: just do it from the start, the arm is suited much better
02:01 PM Crom: $$$$ I can't find my Due at the moment
02:02 PM Crom: I think the robot boys at the space have it...
02:02 PM sync: it is pretty cheap iirc
02:02 PM Crom: I had to borrow $150USD from the kidlette to make it to payday
02:03 PM Crom: space == makerspace == Creatorspace.us
02:06 PM Crom: Arduino Due is also 3.3v which means I'd burn through my level convertors
02:09 PM Crom: oh for pwm pins 11,12,6,7,8,1,2,3 are on 16bit timers, pins 4,13,9,10 are on 8 bit timers
02:11 PM Crom: but they are all set with 8bit value. so I'd rather use pin 11 and 12 with a volatage divider to get a psuedo 16 bit spidnle speed out of them
02:13 PM Crom: so a 16 bit speed var 16bit int. Lets call it S. pin 12 = S & B1111111, pin 11 = S>>8
02:14 PM evilren: wait when did tarduino infect here?
02:14 PM Crom: that'll be done on the PC
02:14 PM Crom: evilren: poorman MESA using a Arduino MEGA + ethernet board
02:15 PM evilren: sounds latent
02:17 PM evilren: i need a usb extension
02:18 PM Crom: I have a 5m usb extensiont
02:18 PM evilren: fuckin cp2102 module is male header to male usb
02:19 PM emc is now known as Zombee
02:19 PM evilren: i thought i did but i think im just remembering a bin from place i worked
02:19 PM Zombee: %n
02:19 PM evilren: or it is forever lost in the tangle
02:20 PM Crom: heh,... I have plenty of those... box shaped tangles of cables...
02:20 PM evilren: i dont ever remember buying one is the thing
02:20 PM evilren: except for work
02:21 PM Zombee: Is anyone else having trouble getting to the forum?
02:22 PM evilren: fuckit ill just solder a cable to the back of the header and heatshrink all the things
02:23 PM Crom: Zombee: I gave up aout an hour ago...
02:23 PM Zombee: k, thx for triangulation
03:22 PM Crom: https://pastebin.com/Rndt0gaz updated
03:23 PM Crom: looks like I can get the packet sizes down to around 10 bytes each way
04:30 PM * Loetmichel_ just drove his BMW 2*350km to (and from) an "E36-convertible-expert" which has assesd the car, changed all the aftermarket lights (headlights, indicators and rear lights) to original ones repaired the FUBARed wire harness behind the cocpit and deleted all erros in the ECU. And all that just so he could remove the original BMW Satnav from my car and keep it... so i got a "street legal"
04:30 PM * Loetmichel_ car again. AND know all that is still to do now to make it "good as new" and paid nothing more than a tank of petrol... and the 1999 318i STILL goes 192kmh at least... didn had the guts to do more considering that the rear tyres are already losing chunks of rubber from the profile. ;)
04:43 PM andypugh: The laws in Germany about after-market parts are just crazy
04:44 PM JT-Shop2: so they have amended the purity law to include auto parts?
04:45 PM Loetmichel_: no
04:46 PM Loetmichel_: but aftermarket parts (especially lights and drive train parts) that have no "e-number", i.E are vetted by some european organisation that they are no hazard will get you a ticket if spotted on your car
04:46 PM andypugh: I thought that they all had to be exactly the same as OEM parts?
04:47 PM andypugh: ie, if the OEM-fit tyres are no longer made, the car can not be used.
04:47 PM roycroft: that's what the california CARB regs require
04:48 PM zeeshan: lol
04:48 PM roycroft: except a vehicle is exempt after 25? years
04:48 PM zeeshan: im so glad i live in the first world
04:48 PM zeeshan: :D
04:48 PM XXCoder: usa is now third world zeeshan
04:48 PM roycroft: so if you can't get oem emissions control parts, just hang on to your vehicle until it's really old, then you can leagally drive it again
04:48 PM zeeshan: you need to go to see the world than XXCoder
04:48 PM zeeshan: :)
04:48 PM zeeshan: *then
04:49 PM Loetmichel_: andypugh: not here in germany
04:49 PM Deejay: gn8
04:50 PM Loetmichel_: my car especially has written enough allowed "tyre combinations" in the "fahrzeugschein" that the official who gave me the license plates last week had to tack a second page to the "schein"
04:50 PM obix: hello, anyone around today?
04:50 PM roycroft: i was going to say that we have a third world health care system, but i can't say that, because cuba has much better health care than the us
04:51 PM roycroft: and i think cuba is still considered third worldish
04:51 PM obix: Is anyone aware of how to successfully install linuxcnc on Jessie_RTAI for running a mill?
04:52 PM * roycroft has finished fabrication of his lathe stand, and is now prepping it for paint
04:52 PM roycroft: i'm only one day behind so far ;)
04:53 PM andypugh: obix: I think there are big problems with the Jessie kernel and RTAI
04:53 PM CaptHindsight: obix: where are you stuck?
04:54 PM superbetise: hello
04:54 PM andypugh: obix: Can you use PREEMPT_RT instead of RTAI?
04:54 PM CaptHindsight: obix: you'd have to use an older RTAI kernel with Jessie
04:55 PM CaptHindsight: or preempt_rt as Andy just said
04:56 PM superbetise: Excuse me wat's the difference between TAI amt PREEMPT_RT
04:56 PM obix: thanks for the reply, here's is my situation
04:56 PM XXCoder: yeah wondering about rtai and preempt_rt difference
04:56 PM obix: yes i can use PREEMPT_RT but I need Jessie
04:57 PM obix: I use LibreCAD / MakerCAM / LinuxCNC
04:57 PM CaptHindsight: preempt_rt are real time patches for the Linux kernel, that use a single kernel model
04:57 PM andypugh: obix: We build debs for Jessie and Preemp-rt (buildbot.linuxcnc.org) but there are problems with Jessie: https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/mailman/message/35810598/
04:57 PM obix: however the pre Jessie versions of LibreCAD have no support for MakerCAM export
04:58 PM CaptHindsight: RTAI is a dual kernel set of patches for the Linux kernel
04:58 PM superbetise: ok
04:58 PM andypugh: OK, so Stick with Jessie, get the PREEMPT-RT Kernel package and then get LinuxCNC from the builbot debs
04:58 PM obix: gotchya on the RTAI, yes preempt is fine
04:58 PM CaptHindsight: RTAI runs a bit lower latency than preempt_rt
04:59 PM obix: that shouldn't be an issue, i'm using beefy computer so latency should be low
04:59 PM CaptHindsight: with RTAI the real time threads are run in a separate kernel from the non-RT threads
04:59 PM roycroft: i was told to use this kernel:
04:59 PM roycroft: https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/linux-4.1.15.tar.xz
04:59 PM roycroft: and apply this patch:
04:59 PM andypugh: obix: Are you using the parallel port, or dedicated interface hardware?
04:59 PM roycroft: https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/4.1/older/patch-4.1.15-rt17.patch.gz
05:00 PM roycroft: i did so and everything went fine
05:00 PM obix: parallel port
05:00 PM andypugh: I am fairly sure you can get preempt as a package, using something similar to the instructtions here: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_installing_on_debian_wheezy_with_preempt_rt_kernel
05:01 PM andypugh: (That’s Wheezy, as it says, but ought to work for Jessie too)
05:01 PM obix: thanks roycroft!
05:01 PM roycroft: i'm pretty sure it was pcw, but it may have been jt, who told me that particular kernel works well with linuxcnc
05:02 PM superbetise: Question for everyone. You use what CPU just out of curiosity
05:02 PM obix: super, you guys rock, i'm off to start i new install ... if I get stuck i'll be back with beer
05:03 PM CaptHindsight: superbetise: I have used anything AMD for the past 12 years, but haven't gotten to Ryzen yet
05:04 PM JT-Shop2: 4.9.20 works well with preepmt and new and old hardware
05:05 PM CaptHindsight: superbetise: lots of people use whatever system they have or find used for <$50
05:05 PM CaptHindsight: superbetise: others tend to used Intel on mini-itx boards
05:06 PM superbetise: cappthind you use a Ryzen with linuxcnc ?
05:06 PM superbetise: ok
05:06 PM CaptHindsight: superbetise: the BIOS has more of an effect on low latency than the cpu
05:06 PM CaptHindsight: superbetise: not Ryzen yet, maybe by this summer
05:07 PM superbetise: thanks for information
05:08 PM CaptHindsight: I have come across some PC's where the BIOS did not let you turn off power management or speed stepping so latency was terrible
05:08 PM superbetise: i go to crack ma f--- HP ... (french insane langage) BIOS
05:09 PM superbetise: mama help me
05:10 PM andypugh: superbetise: I have used a number of Atom boards, as they are cheap.
05:10 PM superbetise: i work with FABLAB LAUSANNE HEP
05:11 PM superbetise: and i've BODOR 0609
05:11 PM superbetise: my idea it's linuxcnc to hal2arduino to bodor
05:12 PM andypugh: This was the last one I bought specifically for LinuxCNC (I seek out 12V powered boards) http://www.jetwaycomputer.com/NF9C.html
05:12 PM superbetise: excuseme
05:14 PM superbetise: linuxcnc with (Intel core 2 Q8800Go and no LPT to hal2arduino to bodor
05:14 PM andypugh: Well, I don’t use the LPT
05:14 PM superbetise: my problem is
05:15 PM superbetise: TKLINUX,KEYSTICK,etc... Axis PyVCP problem..... WHY
05:16 PM superbetise: TKLINUX,KEYSTICK,etc... no prob's
05:16 PM superbetise: Arf the computer is shutdown
05:18 PM andypugh: superbetise: That’s normally a sign of openGL problems: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting#Installing_Software_based_OpenGL
05:20 PM superbetise: openGL i t'ry
05:20 PM superbetise: but in simulation Axis works
05:20 PM JT-Shop2: tklinux is depreciated
05:21 PM * JT-Shop2 sees a typ0
05:21 PM superbetise: JT.Shop you don't know FANUC 0M
05:24 PM JT-Shop2: never touched a fanuc
05:25 PM superbetise: the old Fanux 0-M all screen ir's is text lol
05:26 PM superbetise: data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBxMSEhUSEhIVFhUXFhcVFRUVFRUXFxUVFRcXFxUVFRUYHSggGBolHRUXITEhJSkrLi4uFx8zODMtNygtLisBCgoKDg0OGRAQGy8lHyUtLy0tLS0rLy0tLS0uLS0tLS0rLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0rLS0rLS0tLTcrLS0wLSstLf/AABEIAMIBAwMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAbAAABBQEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEAAIDBQYBB//EAEoQAAEDAQQDCgkJBwUAAwAAAAEAAhEDBBIhMQVBUQYTFiJSYXGRktEUFTJTgZOhscEjM0JUYqKy0uEXQ2NyguLwByQ0RMJzo/H/xAAaAQADAQEBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQIDBAUG/
05:26 PM superbetise: oops
05:27 PM superbetise: http://uen.hsix.com/machpict/003807/70251c.jpg
05:27 PM superbetise: fanuc 0m picture
05:28 PM JT-Shop2: if you want text only use keystick
05:28 PM JT-Shop2: or build a ui
05:28 PM superbetise: no is not for me it's for fablab hep USER's
05:29 PM superbetise: and i think AXIS is q good choice
05:37 PM miss0r: This is the outcome of staying up too late: having four linear bearings turned 90 degrees wrong in the milled part. *sigh*
05:38 PM miss0r: on what was sadly the last fitting stock material for the job
05:38 PM andypugh: miss0r: Can you re-machine, and make something ugly that still works and that only you will ever see?
05:39 PM miss0r: sadly the holes would overlap, so its for the scrap bin
05:39 PM XXCoder: too bad
05:40 PM andypugh: Thread some material, screw it in, beat it with a hammer to set it in place, re-machine.
05:40 PM miss0r: its not that I have to scrap it or the machining involved. its a 30 min. job. its the fact that i've now run out of this particular material
05:41 PM andypugh: (Not uncommon as a repair on old vehicles where you simply can’t get parts, bit something else is fairly close)
05:41 PM miss0r: andypugh: I would absolutly do something like that if I was in a pinch. but I will just have to go get some new stock monday
05:41 PM andypugh: And it’s a bank-holiday weekend?
05:41 PM andypugh: Ah, here everywhere is even more firmly closed on monday.
05:41 PM miss0r: itsn't that always the case? :)
05:42 PM andypugh: I would be reduced to wandering round IKEA looking for donor-products.
05:42 PM miss0r: alot of places are closed here monday as well. but i'm sure I can find something
05:42 PM andypugh: IKEA is a good source of cheap stainless-steel tube. They call it Grundthal.
05:42 PM miss0r: that or I will have to greatly reduce some compareably heavy stock
05:43 PM XXCoder: what material you need anyway
05:43 PM miss0r: some 100x125x10 aluminum
05:43 PM miss0r: (metric) :)
05:43 PM XXCoder: hmm harder to find as part of something lol
05:43 PM XXCoder: unless you melt alum and cast it lol
05:44 PM miss0r: i'm pretty well stocked here, but 10mm thickness is very much in the lower end
05:44 PM XXCoder: you hve much thicker blocks and saw?
05:45 PM miss0r: I find that, alot of what I have in terms of orders, the thinnest aluminum stuff is 10mm, and people would expect all surfaces to be machined. so 10mm is too thin for 99% of what I do
05:45 PM JT-Shop2: why do they call it a bank holiday in the uk?
05:45 PM Cromaglious_: banks are closed
05:46 PM miss0r: I have a rotary cold saw and some thicker stock - but that would just make a mess of things :) its a personal project anyway. I'm building myself an edm
05:47 PM XXCoder: ah so not priority project
05:47 PM XXCoder: if it was it'd be a handy way to do it now
05:48 PM miss0r: its been realy slow at my daytime job lately, so i've sorted out all the electronics, and programmed the PLC. also, i've build a nice enclosure with a touchscreen, that is running advanceHMI for controlling the bugger :) (9084% overkill)
05:48 PM miss0r: but its gonna look realy nice and complicated.
05:50 PM miss0r: basically its because I have little or no clue about edm, so I figure i'd build one I can ajust with software, and tweak just about anything, 'till i'm in the ballpark. A future controller could potentialy be alot smaller and simple. But for the time being, i'm keeping all options open
05:51 PM miss0r: its not 20 mins past midnight. No point in hanging around cursing my stupidity. have a good night people
05:52 PM andypugh: JT-Shop: More specifically, the Bank of England is closed, and you are not legally obliged to perform legal or finiancial transactions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_holiday
05:53 PM JT-Shop2: ah ok
06:06 PM tommylight: <<< is back.........for a short period of time
06:07 PM tommylight: what did i miss ?
06:09 PM jym: Free copies of the latest SolidWorks
06:09 PM Cromaglious_: Probably something... What I have to foregone idea
06:09 PM Cromaglious_: s/to/no/
06:10 PM JT-Shop2: hey tommylight what's up
06:11 PM tommylight: not much bro, not much :)
06:11 PM tommylight: forum is down for me alll day or is it just me ?
06:11 PM XXCoder: linuxcnc is moving into sub model. cheap though $20 a year or something?
06:11 PM * JT-Shop2 looks
06:12 PM JT-Shop2: hmm ain't looking good
06:12 PM tommylight: nope
06:12 PM tommylight: connected to forum.linuxcnc.org........................and nothing
06:12 PM JT-Shop2: I notified the forum manager :)
06:12 PM tommylight: thanx bro
06:13 PM tommylight: Crom?
06:13 PM Cromaglious_: cheap is $1 a month paetron
06:13 PM tommylight: different nic or different person
06:13 PM Cromaglious_: <-- is Crom, Crom_
06:13 PM tommylight: cool
06:14 PM tommylight: sorry, had to go for a coffe and something to bite
06:14 PM Cromaglious_: be glad when I get money again and can refire up itslinux.org
06:15 PM tommylight: a friend from another city came so i could not say no to him
06:15 PM tommylight: ITS?
06:16 PM Cromaglious_: It's linux I've had itslinux.org and itslinux.com for over 20 years
06:16 PM tommylight: cool
06:17 PM * JT-Shop2 builds a chicken Taj Mahal
06:17 PM tommylight: @JT from stone??? :)
06:17 PM JT-Shop2: well no, wood
06:20 PM andypugh: I thought you were building a Taj Mahal from chicken.
06:21 PM tommylight: lol
06:21 PM tommylight: Andy, how are you, bro?
06:23 PM JT-Shop2: they won't stay still long enough to use the chicks a building material lol
06:23 PM andypugh: I am fine, but have not yet decidd how best to use my long weekend
06:24 PM andypugh: (Already drive 230 miles to fix my mum’s heating, then 230 miles back, so that’s saturday used up)
06:24 PM andypugh: The castings for the roatary axis are still not done.
06:25 PM andypugh: So I might end up trying to work out how to fix the glass bottoms of pewter tankards
06:26 PM Cromaglious_: Andy wood workers use a resin to seal wood tankards... I wonder it that would seal glass bottom tankards
06:26 PM * JT-Shop2 calls it a day
06:26 PM JT-Shop2: goodnight
06:26 PM andypugh: The tankards in this picture are stacked 3-deep, but you can only use the ones with your name on. https://www.imperialcollegeunion.org/sites/default/files/Union%20Bar%20Wedding.jpg
06:26 PM tommylight: night Jt
06:27 PM andypugh: (Each is allocated to a union post or a club captain)
06:27 PM andypugh: They have glass bottoms, that get cracked. Currently about 100 are broken.
06:28 PM andypugh: The company who repair them do so by cutting off the bottom, and soldering on a new one entire, but it is not working well, and the tankards get shorter.
06:28 PM tommylight: <<<<wondering what tankards are?
06:28 PM andypugh: A previous repairer had a neater solution, but they no longer exist.
06:30 PM XXCoder: why do tankards have glass bottom
06:30 PM Cromaglious_: hmmm get a bearing and start rolling the lip that holds the glass in till you can put in an o-ring and another piece of glass, then roll it shut again?
06:33 PM andypugh: XXCoder: The fun story might not be true… But… Back in the day there were predatory army and navy recruiting sargeants that toured the country to raise armies. You were deemed to have joined-up if you accepted the “kings shilling” as a token first pay. They would buy you a drink with the coin in the bottom…. The glass bottom allowed you to check before accepting the drink.
06:33 PM Cromaglious_: they have glass bottoms, so your mates can see you blowing bubbles with your nose in the ale
06:34 PM andypugh: It’s a story that doesn’t add up on many levels. It’s probably really so that you can tell if the beer is full of sediment or not.
06:34 PM XXCoder: andy interesting story!
06:35 PM andypugh: Ours are all of this pattern: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Pre-War-Pewter-and-Glass-Tankard-Engraved-W-B-S-C-Youle-Cup-1934-/311699712391?hash=item4892c02987:g:KcIAAOSwzaJX3CQF
06:36 PM andypugh: They are cheap-ish. The problem is that ours have 50 years of engraved names (some are 100 years old, but you can’t fit that many names, so a second one is added)
06:36 PM XXCoder: pewler
06:36 PM JT-Shop: primus beer in Zaire you never drank down below 1/2" too much crap and bugs in the last half inch
06:36 PM JT-Shop: http://gnipsel.com/images/chicks/coop01.jpg
06:36 PM JT-Shop: coop
06:36 PM Roguish: what the heck you doing in Zaire ????
06:37 PM tommylight: JT, looking niceeee
06:37 PM tommylight: yeah bro, what's with africa?
06:37 PM JT-Shop: Roguish: working
06:37 PM XXCoder: nice jt
06:38 PM JT-Shop: alright I'm really going inside now :)
06:40 PM tommylight: 3 days ago sent my new/very old lathe (1953) to a car wash as it was covered in black metal dust, looks even worse cleaned, paint chiped all over, but ways are in perfect condition
06:40 PM tommylight: bye JT
06:40 PM andypugh: JT-Shop: To really slow down the project, watch this YouTube channel and get ideas: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGeGwvsTHKZ2IIbeGXwcvvMcg1u_kl4-j
06:41 PM tommylight: lol@ Joint Venture , fitting name for sure
06:41 PM andypugh: This might be the craziest: https://youtu.be/ZTGrf3hy9Ss?list=PLGeGwvsTHKZ2IIbeGXwcvvMcg1u_kl4-j
06:43 PM tommylight: dang that is nice
06:43 PM tommylight: and labour intensive
06:46 PM XXCoder: tommylight: dang just laying out took time.
06:47 PM tommylight: yup yup lots of it, maximum respect for patience required
06:48 PM tommylight: Moz welcome back
06:48 PM tommylight: <<< watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqlKWnePXSI
06:49 PM andypugh: In my parent’s house there is a secret mitre dovetail between two stair strings in a non-90-degree corner. in a couple of 12” x 3” pieces of oak. And only I know it is there. :-)
06:49 PM XXCoder: and everyone here
06:49 PM XXCoder: ;)
06:50 PM tommylight: lol
06:50 PM tommylight: the secret is out......and gone\
06:51 PM andypugh: Nah, I know you will have all forgotten by morning
06:52 PM XXCoder: man that joint is crazy
06:54 PM tommylight: <<< is out for the day, got to paint or just bring it as is, the lathe, tomorrow
06:54 PM tommylight: spent all day cleaning and moving things around the shop to make space for it
06:55 PM tommylight: found out i am not very sain.......
06:56 PM tommylight: i rarely do metal work but i have 2xco2 welders, 3x tig welders (one very big that i can not use due to power consumption)and a stick welder
06:56 PM tommylight: not good at all
06:57 PM andypugh: You only have too much stuff whe you trip over it getting to the stuff you need.
06:57 PM tommylight: good night all, enjoy it
06:58 PM tommylight: @Andy, i do that every day
06:58 PM tommylight: plasma build going slow due to lack of time
06:59 PM tommylight: it is taking over half of the shop as i have to move freely around it while working
06:59 PM tommylight: 80 sq.meters is just not enough
07:00 PM tommylight: Thank you all, it's been a pleasure
07:11 PM jdh: whats a co2 welder?
07:13 PM sync: mig running straight co2
07:13 PM roycroft: that's unusual
07:13 PM roycroft: and there's a co2 shortage right now (ironically), and the price of co2 is skyrocketing
07:14 PM XXCoder: lol
07:14 PM * roycroft just exchanged a 75/25 cylinder, and even that has gone up quite a bit
07:14 PM CaptHindsight: it's being used to heat the hearth
07:14 PM CaptHindsight: earth even
07:14 PM sync: doesn't seem to affect us over the pond
07:15 PM roycroft: i don't know why there's a shortage right now
07:15 PM roycroft: but all the local welding shops are raising the prices of co2
07:15 PM roycroft: i exchanged a cylinder a week or so ago for beer, and it had gone up from $13 to $22
07:16 PM roycroft: that's a 10# cylinder
07:16 PM CaptHindsight: sounds like the old oil shortage, epoxy shortage, etc
07:17 PM XXCoder: damned ironic what with co2 causing world climate change.
07:17 PM roycroft: it was helium a couple or three years ago
07:17 PM roycroft: too many birthday parties!
07:18 PM XXCoder: helium now thats more harder to get element
07:19 PM CaptHindsight: artificial shortage
07:19 PM XXCoder: hm looks like one setting got reset bah. fixed.
07:19 PM CaptHindsight: if you are the middleman that stores the commodity then you can create a shortage
07:20 PM zeeshan: is google down for you guys
07:20 PM XXCoder: nope
07:21 PM zeeshan: hm
07:23 PM TurBoss: hello
07:24 PM Cromaglious_: hiya TurBoss
07:24 PM TurBoss: :)
07:26 PM TurBoss: what kind of machines do you operate, design or retrofit Gromaglious?
07:27 PM TurBoss: *Cromaglious
07:27 PM TurBoss: sorry
07:30 PM Cromaglious_: I have 2 K40 lasers, and a 3040 cnc, k40's one is a mega RAMPS 1.4 and the other is a smoothieware clone
07:31 PM TurBoss: lases seams dangerous
07:31 PM Cromaglious_: the 3040 just got new steppers JMC-motor.com iHSS57-36-20 2NM integrated closed loop steppers. Just burned up the brushing in the 400w dc spindle... waiting on brushes from hong kong
07:32 PM XXCoder: Cromaglious_: I still wonder why just 60 hours
07:32 PM Cromaglious_: s/brushing/brushes/
07:32 PM XXCoder: why not make it out of tougher material
07:32 PM Cromaglious_: dunno... I also had a wiring problem on the speed control, a bed solder joint
08:09 PM Crom: home
08:10 PM Crom: oh fudge... didn't update the .ino before I left the space..
08:11 PM {HD}: Lol! "Fudge"
08:13 PM Crom: I really try not use profain wordds usually..
08:14 PM {HD}: I like to curse!
08:21 PM Crom: ugh... I need to use pin 9 and 10or pin 4 and 13 for spindle pwm at 980hz
08:31 PM roycroft: blah
08:32 PM roycroft: i want to set my lathe on the stand before i finish work on the stand so i know how to make the temporary casters, but i can't get anyone to help
08:32 PM roycroft: and i don't want to do it myself
08:32 PM roycroft: it's hard to line up the holes and set it down at the same time
08:45 PM SpeedEvil: push the casters into the holes before setting it down?
08:50 PM andypugh: Crom: I like “Oh botheration!” It’s not a minced oath like “Fudge” is.
08:51 PM andypugh: When _very_ upset I say “How awfully inopportune”. Though only those who know me well get the message.
08:52 PM gregcnc: how proper
08:53 PM andypugh: I am just a bit uptight about language and its use.
08:54 PM gregcnc: www.ebay.com/itm/191916464359 who is the team?
08:54 PM Crom: Fudge is not a minced oath... Fudge all by itself is gooey and stickey and brown. I like eating it, I don't like cleaniing up after it though... Just like carp! Carp which has been sitting out in the son for three days smells to high heaven
08:55 PM gregcnc: "gonna" bothers me
08:55 PM Crom: I gotta use that more then
08:55 PM andypugh: gregcnc: Hmmm
08:56 PM andypugh: I guess someone is selling a printout of the manual
08:56 PM Crom: I like using aweful in the original sense... only those people know steampunk get it, however only about 1/2 the time
08:58 PM Crom: fudge, fiddlesticks, fsck, frack,... though today frack is a cuss word... relating to the oil industry
08:59 PM gregcnc: motherbutter
08:59 PM andypugh: fsck is a Unix command
08:59 PM Crom: got a butter churn 2 feet from my feet
09:00 PM Crom: err more like a meter
09:03 PM {HD}: I would think that aweful means something completly different than awful...
09:03 PM Crom: full of awe
09:03 PM {HD}: lol yea.
09:04 PM gregcnc: aweful isn't a word anymore
09:05 PM Crom: If it's terrible, I say it's terrible. awful is a terrible word...
09:05 PM {HD}: Who gets to say "this word is hereby dismissed from language"?
09:05 PM gregcnc: who gets to make up the new ones?
09:05 PM Crom: if France there is the institute of french...
09:06 PM {HD}: lol thats great
09:06 PM Crom: in English... whom ever wants to...
09:06 PM gregcnc: www.ebay.com/itm/201866222532 I wonder if these are any good. There seem to be quite a few on Ebay. Fake or?
09:14 PM andypugh: This is wierd, the book is on Amazon too https://www.amazon.co.uk/LinuxCNC-Getting-Started-Guide-Team/dp/9888406302/
09:16 PM Crom: morons on the bench... http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2017/04/25/michigan-judge-finds-attorney-in-contempt-for-live-streaming-trial-that-was-being-live-streamed/
09:18 PM {HD}: andypugh: Odd. I guess that is kind of similar to selling the .ISO burned to a DVD...
09:18 PM {HD}: Its not like the seller is really doing any work...Just wasting/spending materials.
09:18 PM andypugh: It angers me, though I am not sure if I am righteously angered.
09:19 PM {HD}: Are they claiming to be the 'author' or just selling the 'service' of makeing a hard copy...?
09:22 PM {HD}: I got one of these in the mail today...I am going to go see if it works... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006B8C0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
09:23 PM andypugh: They claim to be publisher, and reproduce the GPL and LinuxCNC copyright notices.
09:25 PM TurBoss: is that legit?
09:26 PM Crom: pretty much... it's GPL'd...
09:27 PM XXCoder: mowing in rain is fuking killer
09:27 PM andypugh: I suspect it isn’t illegal. But I don’t think it’s right.
09:27 PM TurBoss: are the forums down or is just me?
09:27 PM andypugh: The forums are down
09:28 PM Crom: are down and have been down
09:28 PM TurBoss: ok
09:28 PM XXCoder: {HD}: no parrallel?
09:28 PM andypugh: TurBoss: There is a web site to answer the question: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com
09:28 PM TurBoss: :) ok
09:29 PM andypugh: (not a joke, a real and useful site)
09:29 PM XXCoder: "the linuxcnc team"
09:29 PM TurBoss: I know
09:29 PM XXCoder: is it legally from the people on linuxcnc?
09:29 PM andypugh: XXCoder: Yes, it’s one of the pdf docs from the web site.
09:30 PM XXCoder: and the mascot is the sole one I could find too. Guess nobody still knows where the damned mascot vector files is.
09:30 PM XXCoder: I might just recreate it using normal linux mascot, only safety glasses and of course endmill.
09:30 PM {HD}: XXCoder: theres one in the machine already.
09:30 PM XXCoder: ahh so its to add pendant and stuff eh
09:31 PM andypugh: XXCoder: Original source is here: http://fennetic.net/art/sketches/index.html
09:31 PM Crom: drat 4mm tapped holes
09:31 PM {HD}: XXCoder: yep.
09:32 PM andypugh: XXCoder: Someone on the forum recently re-vectorised it
09:32 PM andypugh: But the forum is down…
09:34 PM {HD}: http://i.imgur.com/XAga4SP.jpg I hope this chip is supported.
09:37 PM {HD}: Whats the "screen /dev/ttyS0 ...." command to open the serial device?
09:37 PM TurBoss: minicom
09:37 PM TurBoss: minicom -d /dev/ttyS[0 1 2 3]
09:38 PM TurBoss: or if you have X moserial
09:38 PM XXCoder: nice!
09:38 PM XXCoder: oh he left
09:39 PM TurBoss: I have it
09:39 PM TurBoss: I can upload
09:39 PM TurBoss: give me a sec
09:39 PM XXCoder: the vector? sure thanks :)
09:39 PM TurBoss: yes
09:39 PM {HD}: TurBoss: Ill try that.
09:40 PM TurBoss: https://mega.nz/#!dJBS0BhC!eTKv32t8X-Tb0mrPe-dn50w9hhDf_3XLnecqyemCFYw
09:40 PM TurBoss: is a zip
09:40 PM TurBoss: with the svg
09:40 PM XXCoder: thanks
09:41 PM TurBoss: {HD} worked?
09:41 PM XXCoder: looks great!!
09:42 PM XXCoder: eyes seem to be not vector. weird.
09:42 PM {HD}: TurBoss: I just installed minicom...
09:42 PM TurBoss: hmmm
09:42 PM TurBoss: ok
09:43 PM TurBoss: oh is true
09:43 PM {HD}: TurBoss: user1@CNC:~$ minicom -d /dev/ttyS1
09:43 PM {HD}: minicom: cannot open /dev/modem: No such file or directory
09:44 PM TurBoss: did you use the command "minicom -d /dev/ttyS0"
09:44 PM TurBoss: ah
09:44 PM TurBoss: ok
09:44 PM TurBoss: sek
09:45 PM XXCoder: TurBoss: the bitmap eyes are covering less well done eyes lol
09:45 PM TurBoss: sorry is -D
09:45 PM XXCoder: think guy couldnt figure how to do eyes and goggles.
09:45 PM TurBoss: minicom -D /dev/ttyS0
09:45 PM TurBoss: :D
09:46 PM TurBoss: {HD} : to find out the serial port issue "dmesg | grep ttyS"
09:46 PM TurBoss: ttyS0 should be the one from the motherboard
09:47 PM TurBoss: and 1 and 2 the ones from the pci board
09:47 PM {HD}: TurBoss: S0 and S1 are irg 19 which is the serial board I just put in.
09:47 PM TurBoss: and to check if the por actually works make a loopback connection wiring pin to 2
09:47 PM TurBoss: ok
09:48 PM {HD}: TurBoss: I have a short on pin 2 and 3
09:48 PM TurBoss: pin 2 to 3
09:48 PM TurBoss: fine
09:48 PM TurBoss: so is working?
09:49 PM {HD}: TurBoss: um...no? minicom starts but I cannot type or do anything.
09:49 PM Crom: hmmm VA evidently took $150 out of my check... grrr
09:50 PM TurBoss: Port /dev/ttyS0, 20:21:07
09:50 PM TurBoss: {HD} do you see something like that?
09:50 PM TurBoss: yo won't see nothing if pins 2 and 3 not shorted
09:51 PM TurBoss: maybe ttyS1?
09:51 PM Crom: $138.14 in fact
09:51 PM {HD}: TurBoss: pins 2 and 3 are shorted...and I tried both S0 and S1. I see this...
09:51 PM TurBoss: Welcome to minicom 2.7
09:51 PM {HD}: Compiled on Apr 24 2017, 17:30:00.
09:51 PM {HD}: Port /dev/ttyS1
09:52 PM TurBoss: hmmmm
09:52 PM {HD}: I have a USB 232 let me minicom that to make sure I am doing it right.
09:52 PM TurBoss: ok
09:52 PM XXCoder: im editing the mascot
09:52 PM TurBoss: cool
09:52 PM XXCoder: making properly vector eye protection
09:52 PM TurBoss: !!!
09:52 PM TurBoss: very cool
09:53 PM TurBoss: make a cyber googles
09:53 PM XXCoder: I want to make nice big print and eyes and goggles arent cutting it
09:53 PM TurBoss: *goggles
09:53 PM TurBoss: :D
09:53 PM XXCoder: nah I plan to make it normal work goggles.
09:53 PM TurBoss: :D
09:53 PM TurBoss: cubertux
09:53 PM TurBoss: :P
09:53 PM TurBoss: joking
09:54 PM {HD}: well ttyUSB0 doesnt work either and I had this working earlier...Im going to try a good old fashioned reboot.
09:54 PM TurBoss: moserial has GUI
09:54 PM TurBoss: more friendly
09:56 PM {HD}: moserial is not in default repo
09:56 PM TurBoss: ah
09:56 PM TurBoss: ok
09:56 PM {HD}: Once I start minicom should I be able to type?
09:57 PM {HD}: or what?
09:57 PM TurBoss: yes
09:57 PM TurBoss: is shows the welcome and you can type there
09:57 PM TurBoss: if not try putty
09:59 PM {HD}: I was using screen before but I forget the command and my ZNC server reset so I cannot scroll back and look.
10:00 PM {HD}: does pin 2 and 3 need to be shorted when starting minicom or anytime?
10:00 PM TurBoss: no
10:02 PM {HD}: Im going to grap the conituity tester brb
10:05 PM {HD}: Well I am indeed shorting 2 and 3 but nothing in minicom not even on the ttyUSB0 which I was using earlier...DOH!
10:05 PM TurBoss: :O
10:07 PM TurBoss: bang
10:07 PM TurBoss: I found the issue
10:07 PM TurBoss: :D
10:08 PM TurBoss: {HD}
10:08 PM TurBoss: ctrl + a the Z
10:08 PM {HD}: Yea?
10:08 PM TurBoss: sek please
10:09 PM TurBoss: Ctrl + A then Z
10:09 PM TurBoss: then C
10:09 PM TurBoss: no!
10:09 PM TurBoss: O
10:09 PM TurBoss: "O"
10:09 PM TurBoss: sorry
10:09 PM TurBoss: I was confusing you :(
10:09 PM {HD}: lol
10:09 PM {HD}: O as in oh
10:10 PM XXCoder: got it!
10:10 PM XXCoder: looks great
10:10 PM {HD}: Io see 'configurations"
10:11 PM {HD}: I turned 'local echo' on but still no typey
10:11 PM TurBoss: :|
10:12 PM TurBoss: needs to activate
10:12 PM {HD}: I did something!
10:12 PM {HD}: I get typey now
10:12 PM TurBoss: cool
10:13 PM TurBoss: do you see activated in bottom?
10:13 PM {HD}: Hum...no?
10:13 PM TurBoss: I see disconnected
10:13 PM TurBoss: in mine
10:13 PM TurBoss: :\
10:14 PM TurBoss: omg how is done
10:15 PM {HD}: http://imgur.com/a/zcvg3
10:16 PM {HD}: Im going to unshor pins and see what happens
10:16 PM {HD}: Ok, I can only type when pins 2 and 3 are shorted.
10:16 PM {HD}: That is good..right?
10:17 PM TurBoss: yes!
10:17 PM TurBoss: thats it
10:17 PM TurBoss: XXCoder how is looking?
10:17 PM {HD}: Awesome! Well, sucess...I am going to write this down so I can do it again someday.
10:18 PM {HD}: lol
10:18 PM TurBoss: :D
10:18 PM XXCoder: TurBoss: fixed bad mess at shoulder
10:18 PM XXCoder: now fixing notch on tool
10:18 PM XXCoder: looks bad
10:18 PM TurBoss: :\
10:20 PM XXCoder: its good really
10:20 PM XXCoder: just VERY fussy
10:21 PM XXCoder: hm notch dont look good lemme look at orginial
10:22 PM TurBoss: {HD} : https://m.imgur.com/a/WgtZf
10:22 PM TurBoss: I plan to use all ! muahahahahah
10:24 PM TurBoss: https://m.imgur.com/a/Y66Hz
10:24 PM TurBoss: my crappy control
10:25 PM TurBoss: a old P4 2 GB ram
10:25 PM TurBoss: :P
10:25 PM XXCoder: sp notch has to be little bit rounded
10:25 PM XXCoder: thats where I went wrong
10:31 PM XXCoder: guys
10:31 PM XXCoder: is notch on endmill really nesscary?
10:31 PM XXCoder: for mascot logo
10:33 PM roycroft: that lathe is a pain in the butt to move
10:34 PM roycroft: it is totally unbalanced
10:34 PM roycroft: i think i'm going to have to take the motor off in order to move it up on the stand
10:36 PM XXCoder: modifed goggles while thinking on notch
10:36 PM XXCoder: looks MUCH closer to orginal, but closer to real no glasses type safety goggles.
10:41 PM XXCoder: hey TurBoss
10:41 PM XXCoder: you made the logo?
10:43 PM {HD}: Well, I was hoping that now that I know how to loopback serial test that my other hardware would work...but...nope doesnt...
10:43 PM TurBoss: nono
10:43 PM TurBoss: wasn't me
10:44 PM TurBoss: {HD} the pci card?¿
10:44 PM {HD}: TurBoss: Yea, an older one I had that I thought did not work but, now with the test of the new hardwar I thought "I wonder if it was me" but, it wasnt me...the old hardware still doesnt work.
10:45 PM TurBoss: is shown in demsg?
10:45 PM {HD}: TurBoss: Yep
10:45 PM TurBoss: dmesg | grep tty
10:45 PM {HD}: user1@CNC:~$ dmesg | grep tty
10:45 PM {HD}: [ 0.000000] console [tty0] enabled
10:45 PM {HD}: [ 1.736467] 0000:04:05.0: ttyS0 at I/O 0xccd8 (irq = 17) is a XScale
10:45 PM {HD}: [ 1.748134] 0000:04:05.0: ttyS1 at I/O 0xcce0 (irq = 17) is a XScale
10:45 PM TurBoss: should work
10:45 PM {HD}: TurBoss: doesnt
10:45 PM XXCoder: oh TurBoss was wondering if you was offended heh
10:46 PM TurBoss: nono no worries
10:46 PM TurBoss: I just grab the svg
10:46 PM {HD}: TurBoss: I tried the same procedure we just figured out and it doesnt work.
10:46 PM TurBoss: :\
10:46 PM XXCoder: TurBoss: it is good work by whoever, just some problem sectors
10:46 PM TurBoss: do you swaped the card ?
10:46 PM XXCoder: theres 3 spots where theres way too many nodes
10:47 PM XXCoder: ugkly bitmap for eyes and goggles
10:47 PM TurBoss: the author said that was made by his brother...
10:47 PM TurBoss: so no idea
10:47 PM TurBoss: the OP
10:47 PM {HD}: TurBoss: Yea, I put the old hardware back into the machine.
10:47 PM XXCoder: unfortunately I cant read post for now\
10:48 PM TurBoss: what do you see in "lspci
10:48 PM TurBoss: "
10:48 PM TurBoss: card model
10:48 PM TurBoss: https://lainchan.org/radio.html
10:48 PM {HD}: http://dpaste.com/3F7QE4G
10:48 PM TurBoss: a bit of music
10:49 PM chopper79: evening
10:49 PM TurBoss: hello
10:50 PM TurBoss: {HD} it should work ... xD
10:50 PM {HD}: TurBoss: I really want it to!
10:50 PM TurBoss: :D
10:50 PM {HD}: I guess it could be a bad pigtail...Ill probe it.
10:50 PM TurBoss: do you have any jumper arround?
10:51 PM {HD}: Yea, why?
10:51 PM TurBoss: jus plug in betwen 3 and 2 on the board
10:51 PM TurBoss: if you can remove it later
10:52 PM {HD}: Yea, OK! Ima shut down to mess around inside case...brb
10:53 PM TurBoss: I need a max232 and a couple of caps
10:53 PM TurBoss: to wire my dro display
10:53 PM TurBoss: :D
10:53 PM TurBoss: shop closed until tuesday
10:54 PM TurBoss: monday is workers day
10:54 PM TurBoss: here in spain
10:54 PM chopper79: MPG question.... Using a 7i77 and only have a couple of inouts left to use. In the 7i77 manual it says to use pins 16, 7, 18, 19 for the mpg inouts (phase A and Phase B). If I use 16 for phase A, 17 for phase B then those are taken care of. For the axis selection though and also the increments how many inouts should I need? I am thinking I would need to have 3 for x,y,z selection and an additional 2 for increment selections (.01, .001 and .1 shoul dbe d
10:54 PM chopper79: Does this sound about right>
10:55 PM {HD}: TurBoss: shit! Pins 2 & 3 are diagonal
10:55 PM TurBoss: what?
10:55 PM TurBoss: it cant
10:55 PM TurBoss: https://wikidevi.com/w/images/thumb/e/eb/Tumpa.rs232.connector.2.png/300px-Tumpa.rs232.connector.2.png
10:55 PM TurBoss: 12345
10:56 PM TurBoss: 6789
10:56 PM {HD}: Are diagnoal on the header on the board
10:56 PM TurBoss: imposible
10:56 PM TurBoss: the board is drunp
10:56 PM TurBoss: *drunk
10:56 PM TurBoss: are you sere that is a rs232 port?
10:57 PM TurBoss: :D
10:57 PM TurBoss: *sure
10:57 PM TurBoss: 2 is next to 3
10:57 PM TurBoss: allways
10:57 PM {HD}: http://i.imgur.com/AXGfuVL.jpg
10:57 PM TurBoss: at least in standard
10:57 PM TurBoss: ah
10:57 PM TurBoss: not db9
10:57 PM TurBoss: pin headers
10:58 PM TurBoss: the is ok
10:58 PM TurBoss: *then
10:58 PM TurBoss: lol
10:58 PM TurBoss: I can see a comodore
10:58 PM TurBoss: :D
10:59 PM {HD}: Lol um yep
10:59 PM {HD}: That's my main machine.
10:59 PM TurBoss: don't you have the db9 pidtail?
10:59 PM TurBoss: *pigtail
11:00 PM {HD}: Yeah, I have the pigtails but I'm ruling out that they are bad.
11:00 PM TurBoss: meybe they are swaped in direction
11:01 PM TurBoss: the red wire on the ribbon is the pin 1
11:01 PM TurBoss: sould go right
11:01 PM TurBoss: as is seen in the photo
11:01 PM TurBoss: sorry chopper79 I have no experience with mesa boards
11:02 PM {HD}: TurBoss: looks like the pigtails check out. It seems just not to work.
11:03 PM {HD}: I am booting back up. We'll see what happens.
11:03 PM TurBoss: K
11:05 PM TurBoss: hello pcw
11:05 PM XXCoder: done.
11:05 PM TurBoss: chopper79: you should ask to pcw_home
11:05 PM XXCoder: looks great!
11:05 PM TurBoss: nice
11:06 PM {HD}: Well, Doesnt work. ttyUSB0 works but ttyS0 and ttyS1 dont.
11:06 PM {HD}: Guess its just the hardware or maybe the driver.
11:07 PM TurBoss: lspci shows driver loaded
11:07 PM {HD}: but, it is odd that it shows up as S0 and S1
11:07 PM {HD}: its using 'kernel serial' driver
11:07 PM TurBoss: Kernel driver in use: serial
11:07 PM {HD}: yep that
11:07 PM TurBoss: what is the model of the card?
11:08 PM TurBoss: http://www.electronicsfaq.com/2010/02/getting-serial-port-to-work-under.html
11:08 PM TurBoss: oh found this
11:08 PM TurBoss: model is on lspci output
11:08 PM XXCoder: TurBoss: http://picpaste.com/7195898cfcf5cec37264826302b2022c.png
11:08 PM TurBoss: looks nice
11:09 PM XXCoder: yeah
11:09 PM TurBoss: thank you
11:09 PM XXCoder: changes is goggles clearly, notch is sharper and cleaner, weird mess at left arm fixed, eyes slightly altered to be more stright
11:10 PM XXCoder: "eye shine" moved to make it from same light source
11:10 PM TurBoss: did you use inkscape?
11:10 PM XXCoder: yeah
11:11 PM TurBoss: what if no :D
11:11 PM chopper79: TurBoss: Thanks and if I remeber correctly I will need to use a total of 7 inouts for an MPG. That will give me Phase A, Phase B, X axis select, Y axis select, Z axis select, X10 input, X100 input.
11:11 PM XXCoder: what if no?
11:11 PM TurBoss: yeah inkscape
11:13 PM XXCoder: I like inkscape
11:13 PM XXCoder: I dont really like the new gradient editor
11:13 PM chopper79: pcw_home: when using the 7i77 in mpg mode. I am only using pin 16, pin 17 (A, B phase) can I use pin 18, 19 for anything else in this mode?
11:14 PM TurBoss: XXCoder : haven tried it
11:14 PM TurBoss: whats so bad?
11:14 PM pcw_home: Yes, they work as normal field inputs
11:14 PM chopper79: perect
11:14 PM chopper79: Thanks
11:15 PM XXCoder: its now a toolbar, it used to be a window or one of those movable inside areas
11:15 PM chopper79: that frees up a couple inouts for halui usethen
11:15 PM TurBoss: checking...
11:16 PM pcw_home: note that they will have the standard input thresholds (~1/2 field I/O voltage)
11:17 PM chopper79: My field is 24v so those inputs (18,19) will only take 12v in max?
11:17 PM XXCoder: TurBoss: what ya think of goggles
11:17 PM XXCoder: I'm happy with it, looks better than even orginal.
11:17 PM TurBoss: the are nice
11:18 PM {HD}: TurBoss: HOLY MOLY...Setserial did the trickk...it was seeing that it was a 16550 in lspci but did not have it as a 16550
11:18 PM TurBoss: great
11:18 PM {HD}: So, I set it to 16550 and bingo bango!
11:18 PM TurBoss: :D
11:18 PM pcw_home: no, all field inputs will take~100V but the threshold will be 60% of field voltage going high and 40 % going low
11:18 PM TurBoss: XXCoder the glass support could be a 2 way gradient
11:18 PM TurBoss: or what do you think?
11:18 PM XXCoder: it is 2 way gradient
11:19 PM XXCoder: it fades from white to clear, then white again
11:19 PM chopper79: pcw_home: ok so using 24v on them will be fine then.
11:19 PM TurBoss: not the glass
11:19 PM TurBoss: the support
11:19 PM XXCoder: oh the frame
11:19 PM pcw_home: so with 24V field power, minimum 14.4 v to be recognized as high
11:19 PM XXCoder: lemme look
11:19 PM TurBoss: I don't know how is named in english
11:19 PM TurBoss: ah yeah the frame
11:20 PM {HD}: I need to yell from the rooftops BRB!!!
11:20 PM XXCoder: ehh would have to seperate glass holding part of frame from arms
11:20 PM chopper79: pcw_home: Ok, perfect. I was just making sure that since these inouts were being used in mpg mode that they would still allow me to use the 24v filed voltage and not damage the inputs.
11:21 PM chopper79: 16, 17 are using 5v
11:21 PM XXCoder: crashed again. good thing I backed up
11:21 PM TurBoss: tipical of inkscape
11:21 PM TurBoss: still crashes?
11:22 PM XXCoder: it was more stable
11:22 PM XXCoder: guess changes they did made it more unstable again
11:22 PM pcw_home: the input circuitry is always the same, the inputs are read as analog voltages so any threshold in the range of the A-D is possible (0 to 33V)
11:22 PM chopper79: Darn... still 5 inputs shy of what I need.
11:22 PM chopper79: pcw_home: thanks for the explaination.
11:23 PM TurBoss: this gived me and a friend to save a lot
11:23 PM TurBoss: the experiece to**
11:23 PM chopper79: Wish I did not need inouts for increment or axis selection.
11:23 PM chopper79: *inouts
11:23 PM chopper79: inputs
11:24 PM TurBoss: XXCoder if is to much work you can leave it as is
11:24 PM TurBoss: is just a minor detail
11:24 PM TurBoss: :D
11:24 PM XXCoder: yeah
11:24 PM TurBoss: I think is perfect
11:30 PM Crom: https://pastebin.com/Rndt0gaz updated
11:32 PM XXCoder: Crom: working on spindle rpm?
11:32 PM XXCoder: oh that not HAL
11:33 PM Crom: HAL starts at line 460
11:33 PM XXCoder: so you dont just feed rpm direct to linuxcnc?
11:33 PM Crom: my poormans MESA using arduino MEGA
11:34 PM XXCoder: archivist said that BOB would be too slow to get spindle rpm rising edges. mine max out at 24000 rising edges a minute
11:35 PM Crom: mine was working fine at 36khz.... (3 magnets as 12000rpm)
11:35 PM XXCoder: so my 2 point would be just fine also. thanks
11:42 PM chopper79: halui.flood.on bit in..... will a momentary input work for triggering the flood collant or does it have to be a latching switch?
11:42 PM chopper79: same for halui.flood.off bit in
11:43 PM chopper79: Working on my control panel finally and need to add the switches I need so I can laser cut the panel out.
11:47 PM TurBoss: does anyone know how to dump a psd custom channel to tiff?
11:49 PM TurBoss: I need a sleep
11:49 PM TurBoss: gn8
11:49 PM TurBoss: or morning not sure
11:52 PM chopper79: Looks like I can use mementary pushbuttons to trigger flood on and off, cycle start, program pause, program resume. That would be perfect.... Now to decide if I want to add other features such as block delete, option stop, etc.
11:53 PM chopper79: pcw_home: I am using 7i92 and 7i77. What board would you recommend so I can gain additional inputs?
11:53 PM chopper79: and outputs
11:54 PM chopper79: only need a few more of each
11:56 PM chopper79: Thinking maybe the 7i37TA would be the one I need.