#linuxcnc Logs

Apr 22 2017

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:10 AM Crom: At 12mm http://picpaste.com/del/O4DhwNOZ/1492833399547881967220.jpg
12:13 AM XXCoder: "really delete the picture?"
12:13 AM Crom: hehe
12:13 AM XXCoder: cant look closer because wrong link
12:13 AM Crom: http://picpaste.com/1492833399547881967220.jpg
12:13 AM XXCoder: so its milling alum just fine
12:13 AM XXCoder: and is shot bearings fixable?
12:13 AM Crom: the extra length of the drill and the mass
12:13 AM Crom: my brushes are shot... those are on order
12:15 AM XXCoder: where buy bushings? because mine evenually will go lol
12:17 AM Crom: I need to wire up the estop circuit...
12:19 AM insomnia is now known as Clownshoes
12:19 AM XXCoder: bushings? lol
12:20 AM Crom: bushings? you have a lathe... you make them
12:20 AM XXCoder: my $27 lathe cant make anything metal :)
12:25 AM Crom: leadshine iST-1706 integrated closed loop NEMA 17 stepper
12:25 AM Crom: $129 for 43onin and $149 for 83ozin
12:30 AM XXCoder: is this the bushing? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/178F-186FA-188F-air-cooled-diesel-tiller-parts-spindle-bushing/32371748147.html
12:30 AM XXCoder: hmm dont think so
12:31 AM Crom: what do you need bushings for?
12:32 AM XXCoder: you said spindle lasts 60 hours only? it means I will evenually replace em?
12:32 AM XXCoder: but I cant find any inf[
12:32 AM Crom: brushes and brish plate is $7 on ebay
12:32 AM Crom: you have a 300w or 400w?
12:32 AM XXCoder: 400w
12:33 AM Crom: same brushes.. 200w uses different brushes
12:34 AM XXCoder: looking
12:35 AM XXCoder: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spindle-Motor-Brush-0002-6851-/291196799543
12:35 AM XXCoder: something like that?
12:35 AM Crom: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-Carbon-Brush-for-300w-400w-ER11-CNC-Spindle-DC-Motor-Chrome-w-Holder-/132113698159
12:35 AM XXCoder: interesting
12:43 AM Crom: moin Deejay
12:43 AM Deejay: moin
12:44 AM Crom: My 400w spindle being turned by a drill since the brushes died http://picpaste.com/1492833399547881967220.jpg
12:44 AM Crom: http://picpaste.com/1492828464278881967220.jpg
02:11 AM IchGucksLive: morning from Germany
02:11 AM XXCoder: hey ich
02:11 AM IchGucksLive: its cloudy and below 10deg today
02:12 AM IchGucksLive: expecting light rain Hopfully for the corn to crow
02:12 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: did the sp9indle went smoke
02:13 AM XXCoder: my machine spindle is still fine, its crom one that have dead brushes
02:13 AM IchGucksLive: ok i always tell to go for a Kress FME
02:14 AM IchGucksLive: it is made for CNC stuff to mill AL and Bras
02:14 AM IchGucksLive: there is also a Toolchanger homemade advice and ready to go
02:15 AM XXCoder: likely. I dont think I will ever get machine that would tolchange
02:15 AM IchGucksLive: XXCoder: did you turn a wood ball on your 30USD
02:15 AM XXCoder: nor build one
02:15 AM XXCoder: not yet
02:15 AM XXCoder: still fairly sick
02:15 AM IchGucksLive: oh you can do it on the kitchen table
02:16 AM IchGucksLive: it will do good for your illness
02:18 AM IchGucksLive: ok im off till later
02:19 AM enleth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSawvMrePc - do you recognize the spindle in this video?
02:20 AM XXCoder: one of larger chinese water cooloed spindle
02:20 AM XXCoder: think so anyway
02:22 AM enleth: yeah, google images search more or less matches a generic 4.5kW chinese spindle
02:23 AM enleth: about $600, nice
02:25 AM XXCoder: yeah
02:25 AM XXCoder: hjey jt
02:26 AM XXCoder: the eink badges is cool
02:26 AM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/1LZXhQ3mf5A
02:54 AM enleth: is the slight increase of clamping area worth skipping ER32 and going for ER40?
02:55 AM enleth: it's not much more expensive, but only holds up to 26mm/1" compared to ER32's 20mm or 5/8"
02:56 AM archivist: 20mmm is 3/4" ish
02:56 AM enleth: so it's not a huge versatility gain, especially in the metric world, where 25-26mm is not an important size, and it doesn't go up to 30mm
02:57 AM enleth: archivist: right, 3/4, some go up to 25/32
02:57 AM archivist: I suppose it depends more on your use case, machine and tooling costs
02:58 AM archivist: more collets to the set too
02:58 AM enleth: I'm also wondering if ER40 isn't actually worse for small tools, as there might not even be enough shank length to fill the whole collet, which is bad for collet life and concentricity
02:59 AM XXCoder: well theres collet size adoptors
02:59 AM enleth: well, I've got a Bridgeport, which is perfectly than capable of handling 1"-sized tools
02:59 AM archivist: er really is unsuited to short tooling as only the rear part is inside the holder taper
02:59 AM enleth: *s/than//
03:00 AM enleth: but being able to hold 1" is much less critical over here
03:00 AM enleth: then there's the increased rigidity of the bigger holder
03:00 AM archivist: I was testing two chucks both on the same bar, large error
03:02 AM archivist: the bar I was using was a bit of ground hss which was a bit short
03:03 AM enleth: eh, ER32 it is
03:04 AM archivist: or it was because cheap chinesuin tooling
03:04 AM enleth: well, I'm getting the chinese stuff now, the ones I have now turned out to be pretty OK
03:06 AM yasnak: for 1" you shouldn't be using ER :P
03:06 AM archivist: actually some is indian
03:06 AM yasnak: but since you are, do you have a good source of smaller ER tools?
03:07 AM enleth: I'm buying locally, so I don't think my sources are going to be of any use
03:07 AM yasnak: Looking to build a rotary index system for EDM machine, if only stainless was a cheap material :S
03:07 AM yasnak: gotcha
03:08 AM enleth: well, I am buying from ArcEuroTrade from time to time too, but AFAIR, UK is not local to you either?
03:08 AM yasnak: usa
03:09 AM enleth: archivist: good point, I actually have no idea if mine are chinese or indian, but I know I'm getting the same holders I already have, from the same supplier
03:09 AM enleth: s/supplier/importer/
03:10 AM XXCoder: cheap chinese meteric hex tools keeps breaking
03:10 AM archivist: enleth, I know my local importer reasonably well, he sources from both :)
03:10 AM XXCoder: any good metric hex in usa?
03:10 AM enleth: I have to turn the flange down a bit so it clears the QC nut throat, but otherwise they work just fine
03:11 AM archivist: enleth, arceuro is the local I am talking about
03:12 AM archivist: he is moving to better suppliers though
03:14 AM enleth: archivist: I bought my first lathe from those guys, back then no one had Sieg lathes in Poland
03:15 AM archivist: he has been in the import game for a very long time
03:16 AM archivist: was in the back of the warehouse a few weeks ago, he has a machine shop sitting a bit unused
03:29 AM XXCoder: any hex tool suggestion thats actually made from hardened metal?
03:30 AM XXCoder: im tired of hex that strip after maybe 4 uses, and some of those are usa made :(
03:41 AM enleth: XXCoder: maybe try to harden them yourself?
03:41 AM enleth: it's not terribly difficult
03:42 AM enleth: and it's not like you're aiming for any specific material properties in a hex key
03:42 AM XXCoder: suppose not but then I want better tool quality anyway
03:42 AM enleth: a couple fireproof bricks, small blowtorch and a jar of engine oil could do it
03:43 AM XXCoder: wow chinese hex tools isnt alum
03:43 AM XXCoder: its actually magnetic
03:43 AM enleth: worst case you'll get tools that are more likely to snap off than deform
03:43 AM XXCoder: thanks for tip
03:43 AM enleth: when you get there, you can try annealing them in an oven
03:45 AM XXCoder: I suppose I can grind off bad spots then heat/throw in oil bowl
03:47 AM XXCoder: slightly shorter but harder tool
03:49 AM Wolf_: keep in mind w/ hex key screws/bolts, sometimes its better if the tool strips out before the fastener
03:50 AM Wolf_: with that being said, most of the time I use 1/4” driver bits vs the L hex keys if I have room
03:51 AM XXCoder: thats good idea lemme see if can rustle up some
03:53 AM Wolf_: http://a.co/iUd5Jpa like these
03:54 AM Wolf_: chapman bits are also good
03:57 AM enleth: Wolf_: and it's even better if the tool snaps off before the fastener head
03:57 AM Wolf_: that too
03:57 AM Wolf_: really annoying when you round out a hex cap screw
03:58 AM archivist: I hate how countersunk screws stick
03:59 AM archivist: in general I do have ways of unsticking though, sharp tap on the head with a parallel punch
04:01 AM enleth: Wolf_: that reminds me, I keep a set of long cylindrical punches with a very key-like design in the hex key box, to mess with people who don't know what they are
04:01 AM Wolf_: I really like impact type tools
04:01 AM enleth: "round head screw keys, duh"
04:01 AM Wolf_: lol
04:02 AM enleth: most folks do have this moment of hesitation before they figure out they're the butt of the joke
04:02 AM archivist: also tapping the head sideways frees them up
04:02 AM archivist: naughty boy
04:03 AM Wolf_: except for my 1/2” impacts, that like to make the bigger torques bits explode when trying to take trucks apart
04:03 AM Wolf_: torx*
04:03 AM archivist: I must admit telling people not to tie knows in cable because it will restrict the current
04:03 AM archivist: knots
04:04 AM Wolf_: lol
04:04 AM XXCoder: no luck
04:04 AM XXCoder: but then I remembered I still has my 3d printer hex tools
04:04 AM XXCoder: those is THE best hex tools I ever owned. too bad I lost the tiny 1.5mm one :(
04:05 AM Wolf_: I have 4 sets of 1/4” metric driver bits from playing with RC stuff
04:05 AM archivist: if the hex head hole is damaged sometimes you can hammer in the next size up imperial/metric
04:06 AM Wolf_: the one set I have, no idea who makes them are tapered
04:09 AM enleth: archivist: or a torx, sometimes it works even better because the metal has somewhere to be displaced to
04:09 AM archivist: I have done that too
04:11 AM Wolf_: this looks similar to the bits I’m talking about http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-in-1-Hexagon-Head-Hex-Screw-Driver-Tools-Set-Kit-1-5-3mm-for-RC-Helicopter-Car-/391268331347
04:13 AM XXCoder: 2 nicely rigid squares of 2020
04:13 AM XXCoder: now to make em into a box lol
04:13 AM Wolf_: 5mm hex?
04:13 AM XXCoder: (pull a square into 3d only works for imanagry math sadly)
04:13 AM XXCoder: nah 2mm
04:13 AM Wolf_: small heads for 2020
04:14 AM XXCoder: its set screws for inside 90 corners
04:14 AM Wolf_: oh
04:14 AM Wolf_: I usually end tap the extrude and drill a cross hole for the hex key
04:15 AM Wolf_: can use a bigger bhcs inside the slot
04:15 AM Wolf_: that and I’m a cheap ass
04:15 AM XXCoder: inside corners is pretty cool. pretty invisible.
04:15 AM XXCoder: 5 bucks for 50 I think lemme look
04:16 AM XXCoder: oh 10 bucks
04:16 AM XXCoder: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/50pcs-L-shape-90-Degree-Inside-Interior-Corner-Connector-Joint-Bracket-with-M4-Grub-Screw-2020/32690612794.html
04:16 AM XXCoder: 10 shipped
04:16 AM Wolf_: I built a desk from 1515 (1.5 inch) 80/20 stuff years ago, using corner bracket would have caused me to go broke
04:17 AM Wolf_: plus I put side panels in the slots
04:18 AM XXCoder: my plan is external panels
04:18 AM XXCoder: probably clear panels
04:20 AM XXCoder: except floor one of course
04:21 AM XXCoder: that ones probably cheap metal panel and rubber feets
04:21 AM XXCoder: its big enough to put my cnc router on lol so probbly will.
04:22 AM enleth: XXCoder: those corner pieces don't look particularily strong
04:22 AM enleth: I don't think I'd trust them to hold a table together
04:23 AM XXCoder: yeah probably not
04:23 AM XXCoder: its to be cnc electrics
04:26 AM XXCoder: *box to hold
04:54 AM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest3660
05:27 AM XXCoder: box is finished
05:43 AM BitEvil: yay
05:43 AM XXCoder: yeah 3d printer hex tool was nice
05:43 AM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
05:43 AM XXCoder: best hex tool sadly
05:58 AM jthornton: morning
05:59 AM XXCoder: wb
06:00 AM jthornton: fried an esc after 30 seconds of attempting to lift off
06:01 AM XXCoder: ow
06:01 AM XXCoder: what happened
06:02 AM jthornton: just started to get light on it's feet and the SW motor just quit now when I arm the SW motor just quivers
06:04 AM XXCoder: heh guy defeated the big boss in ocarina of time, without any attacking, still a kid, and never even upgraded sword or sheild.
06:04 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M7IINwTFVw
06:04 AM XXCoder: at one point you can tell camera viewpoint is set for adult link lol
06:10 AM XXCoder: final boss? infinite attacking deku stick. lol
06:38 AM XXCoder: jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3n3c_8Nn2Y
06:38 AM XXCoder: all that in program size of 64k lol
06:41 AM jthornton: reminds me of the old Doom
06:42 AM XXCoder: yeah
06:42 AM XXCoder: 11 min animation jeez
06:44 AM XXCoder: made in 2000
06:52 AM XXCoder: pretty impressive. ol ibm XT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1p1im_2uf4
06:55 AM malcom2073: Man, I haven't watched the product in years
06:56 AM enleth: XXCoder: check out the .kkrieger
06:57 AM XXCoder: saw that yeah
06:57 AM XXCoder: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SugarWiki/GeniusProgramming
06:58 AM XXCoder: watching 64k demo chaos theory
07:04 AM jthornton: hmm with blheli you can reverse motor direction instead of guessing and crossing the wires
07:20 AM jthornton: http://alofthobbies.com/catalog/product/view/_ignore_category/1/id/2247/s/vantac-q100-fpv/
07:23 AM XXCoder: not bad
07:36 AM enleth: do you have any tricks for chucking ACME screws in a lathe so that they don't start turning in the jaws and screwing out of the spindle?
07:36 AM XXCoder: I dont know. maybe lockete? lol
07:37 AM XXCoder: honestly no idea
07:40 AM malcom2073: enleth: Copper sheet, bent over so you can clamp really hard without damaging the screw
07:41 AM malcom2073: basically wrap the screw in a couple pieces of copper
07:41 AM malcom2073: then clamp the jaws on that
07:41 AM XXCoder: thats great idea, copper deforms pretty easy
07:41 AM malcom2073: aluminum too, or any softer metal
07:41 AM malcom2073: i've used that for clamping bolts into the lathe for turning threads off
07:41 AM malcom2073: Or turning the head off
07:42 AM enleth: malcom2073: does sheet brass work?
07:42 AM malcom2073: I think it's softer than steel?
07:42 AM archivist: soft brass should
07:43 AM enleth: but it's more slippery
07:44 AM malcom2073: Then clamp harder? :)
07:45 AM malcom2073: I wouldn't use oil impregnated bronze or anything
07:47 AM enleth: nah, just regular sheet brass
08:40 AM DrippityDrops: I hate librecad so much.
08:41 AM DrippityDrops: yeah because I want librecad to automaticall change my general factor and scale. also lets just make the paper size 1.21213e-09 by 1.21213e-09 cause of course Im printing on grains of rice
08:43 AM malcom2073: Heh
08:43 AM DrippityDrops: why would there be an e-09 in a paper size dimension anyhow? how big is e-09?
08:44 AM malcom2073: Bit smaller than e-08 and a bit larger than e-10
08:44 AM XXCoder: e-09 is exponent of minus 9
08:44 AM malcom2073: :-P
08:44 AM malcom2073: 10 to the -9
08:44 AM XXCoder: so its actually .000000000121213
08:44 AM DrippityDrops: I should have expected no less
08:44 AM malcom2073: so move the decimal over to the left 9 times
08:44 AM DrippityDrops: :P
08:44 AM DrippityDrops: ok.... so WHY
08:44 AM malcom2073: Because open source!
08:44 AM XXCoder: because rice need to b printed.
08:45 AM XXCoder: clearly.
08:45 AM DrippityDrops: why would librecad want... malcom2073 got it
08:45 AM malcom2073: This is why unit tests were invented heh
08:46 AM DrippityDrops: if you update libracad it thinks you are suddenly wanting to change all your defaults to mm cause.... progress?
08:46 AM DrippityDrops: anyhow Ill need a new keyboard if I keep at this today :)
08:46 AM malcom2073: You shouldn't be using anything but mm anyway!
08:46 AM malcom2073: I hate programs that don't keep settings on update, or at least *warn* you about it
08:46 AM DrippityDrops: mm is not very good for machining
08:47 AM DrippityDrops: or constructing anything... ever
08:47 AM BeachBumPete: morning linuxcnc beautiful Saturday today ;)
08:47 AM DrippityDrops: pete :)
08:47 AM BeachBumPete: hey drops whoever you are hehe
08:47 AM jthornton: raining here
08:47 AM malcom2073: DrippityDrops: While I prefer inches because murca, your reasoning is fatally flawed :-P
08:47 AM DrippityDrops: malcom2073: whats wrong with base 12?
08:47 AM malcom2073: DrippityDrops: I prefer base 13, prime numbers ftw
08:48 AM BeachBumPete: I think it is actually supposed to rain here this weekend some
08:48 AM jthornton: dang I have to work all weekend on a assembly table conversion :(
08:48 AM BeachBumPete: I have some tig welding of custom brackets to do
08:48 AM DrippityDrops: I dont prefer inches because murica I prefer inches because they are much more useful when building things
08:48 AM DrippityDrops: since you know... whole numbers, and fractions...
08:49 AM malcom2073: If you're having to adapt to other things that are inches, that makes sense
08:49 AM DrippityDrops: yeah but when building from scratch
08:49 AM DrippityDrops: metric is not very good
08:49 AM malcom2073: I use decimal inches anyway, so metric is just a different scaling, but same numbers
08:49 AM DrippityDrops: yeah but the numbers never come out even
08:49 AM DrippityDrops: they are always like .2437u2
08:49 AM DrippityDrops: -u
08:50 AM malcom2073: Like I said, if you're mixing that is true
08:50 AM DrippityDrops: no no
08:50 AM malcom2073: Pure metric comes out just as even as pure imperial
08:50 AM DrippityDrops: you cant divide 10 that many times
08:50 AM malcom2073: (If not, then that's the designers fault)
08:50 AM DrippityDrops: wrong
08:50 AM DrippityDrops: its basic math
08:50 AM malcom2073: Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you, you just carry on doing what you do, and I'll carry on doing what I do :)
08:50 AM BeachBumPete: perfect
08:51 AM malcom2073: Best thing about this: There are options for everyone!
08:51 AM malcom2073: One for america, one for the rest of the world :-P
08:51 AM BeachBumPete: personally I use both of course depending on the project and customer but I prefer inch units
08:51 AM DrippityDrops: malcom... look at your clock
08:51 AM DrippityDrops: the whole world is using base 12
08:52 AM DrippityDrops: the only point im making is that you can divide 12 by 2 evenly with the numbers, 3,4,6, and you cannot do that with base 10...
08:53 AM malcom2073: I don't disagree with that statement
09:00 AM DrippityDrops: it makes more sense when stacking layers of materials on fractional dimensions.
09:00 AM DrippityDrops: 1/8 plate on 7/8 square = 1
09:00 AM DrippityDrops: 1/4 plate on 3/4 square = 1
09:00 AM DrippityDrops: sorry to sound hostile malcom2073 im just angry at the metric system today :P
09:01 AM malcom2073: Hah np, you're good. I don't blame you, I'd be annoyed if my units of measure flipped at random
09:01 AM DrippityDrops: apparently it has to do with updating librcad
09:05 AM DrippityDrops: in case anyone has had issues with librecad on updates, heres the reference http://forum.librecad.org/General-Factor-and-General-Scale-magically-changing-td5711156.html
09:05 AM DrippityDrops: "magically changing" :P
09:07 AM malcom2073: Hehe magic
09:09 AM malcom2073: Hmm, been an issue for two years? ouch
09:10 AM DrippityDrops: well, you know how you do an entire drawing, then add a layer and do all your dimensions afterwards on another layer
09:10 AM DrippityDrops: I didnt realize the issue until I got the part 2
09:10 AM malcom2073: Oh man
09:10 AM malcom2073: Any way to convert without having to redraw?
09:10 AM DrippityDrops: yeah I can convert
09:10 AM DrippityDrops: but... you know... wtf why
09:10 AM DrippityDrops: :P
09:11 AM malcom2073: Heh
09:12 AM malcom2073: I actually just got a request for an application I write to do unit conversions, by default it outputs in metric and someone wants imperial
09:12 AM DrippityDrops: whats the app programmed under?
09:14 AM malcom2073: Cross platform, Qt/c++
09:14 AM SpeedEvil: https://www.gnu.org/software/units/
09:15 AM malcom2073: SpeedEvil: GPL so meh
09:16 AM DrippityDrops: My memory is not good enough for programming, im constantly losing my place and forgetting commands
09:17 AM malcom2073: DrippityDrops: an IDE that does auto-complete and built in documentation is amazing, I don't know that I'm good enough to program without such a thing :)
09:17 AM DrippityDrops: I can trudge through some AWK, SED, BASH, PHP but just.....it takes a very long time
09:17 AM malcom2073: I see people program in normal text editors without docs next to them, and it blows my mind
09:18 AM DrippityDrops: maybe im not doing it the right way :P I print off a big manual and then set up multiple monitors then text editor my way on one screen while referencing docs with my hard copy and other screen
09:18 AM BeachBumPete: things have finally slowed down here a little perhaps now I can get my rifle stock machined this weekend hehe
09:19 AM malcom2073: DrippityDrops: Not a bad way to do it, throw in auto-complete so you don't have to remember exact functions, and you're golden :)
09:21 AM DrippityDrops: I should get a good programming editor, I usually just terminal and NANO
09:22 AM DrippityDrops: I like getting most of my code from bash,awk,sed, etc"one liners"
09:23 AM archivist: I think OOP is just recent kidz oneliners
09:27 AM enleth: if you ever wondered whether a countersink can be used as a 45deg chamfer milling cutter - yes, as long as you're climb milling and feeding slowly
09:28 AM enleth: surface finish is actually quite nice
09:28 AM BeachBumPete: I just bought a 1/2 inch champfer mill and it is kickass compared to the one I was using before.
09:33 AM enleth: well, I'm going to need a chamfer mill tomorrow, I realized I can't find the one I had yesterday late in the afternoon, all I have until Monday is that chamgering tool
09:33 AM enleth: *chamfering
09:35 AM BeachBumPete: http://www.ebay.com/itm/152157511812?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT I bought this one its a 2 flute which I chose because I have some deep champfers to cut on my parts. a 4 flute might have clogged up a bit.
09:48 AM enleth: malcom2073: I just realized where to get sheet copper from, as I can't find the piece of sheet brass
09:48 AM enleth: old server heatsinks
09:49 AM malcom2073: Ah yes! That would likely work nicely
09:49 AM malcom2073: Grab some find
09:49 AM malcom2073: fins*
09:49 AM enleth: I'm trying to rip one out right now
09:50 AM DrippityDrops: enleth: if flatness doesnt matter, I bet an old set of cymbals would go a long ways
09:52 AM enleth: DrippityDrops: that's for lathe jaw shims
09:52 AM enleth: definitely needs to be of uniform thickness
09:52 AM DrippityDrops: ah yeah I was just making a set of chuck jaws for my turret lathe yesterday from bronze
09:53 AM DrippityDrops: collet pads really
09:53 AM enleth: DrippityDrops: I'm turning ends of ACME screws, it's kinda hard to chuck them so that they don't screw into the spindle
09:54 AM gregcnc: how deep a cut are you taking?
09:56 AM DrippityDrops: something I have done before (not sure if applicable in your scenario) Is bored out some roundstock and then turned the threads into it, then I put a locking plug in the end for a dead stop. that way I can screw in my threaded workpiece turn what I need to and then just unscrew it and screw in the next piece
09:59 AM gregcnc: I turn ball screws in a collet chuck. Has to be pretty tight. In the past I've made an aluminum sleeve to fit the major diameter and grip on that.
09:59 AM gregcnc: all depends on grip vs cutting load
10:03 AM DrippityDrops: if you got alot of them to do it can take forever to get each one chucked up accurately but if you turn a sleeve in the spindle and thread it they come out the same without indicating each one. I only use this process on 10 or more pieces
10:15 AM IchGucksLive: hi from a cold germany
10:16 AM IchGucksLive: todays cool milling ;-) http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/indianer.jpg
10:16 AM IchGucksLive: DrippityDrops: why not the ballscrews C7 cheep as the tzr acme
10:18 AM IchGucksLive: till later yust wantet to look if rain is in the reagion and noticed the logs on acme
10:25 AM archivist: never understands the conversation
10:27 AM enleth: DrippityDrops: that was a 60cm ACME screw, so most of it had to stick way out the back
10:29 AM enleth: heatsink fin cut up into strips worked, the screw stopped turning in the jaws, although I did damage the shitty small chinese fixed center because I failed to notice the center hole being too small (it did fit an even smaller live center before)
10:30 AM enleth: the center turned out to be much softer than even the core of the ACME rod
10:31 AM enleth: I have to skim off the damaged tip and maybe harden it
10:41 AM DrippityDrops: ahh, yeh a bit long to bore a sleeve!
10:41 AM DrippityDrops: gl all OMW to ohio
10:43 AM R2E4_bevins1: linuxcnc
10:44 AM R2E4_bevins1: oops
10:44 AM R2E4_bevins1: mornin
10:44 AM R2E4_bevins1: anyone up?
10:45 AM wicki_: hi *
10:47 AM R2E4_bevins1: allo
10:52 AM wicki_: can someone tell me where I can find a raspberry-gpio driver, which has also input pins? hal_gpio by "machinekit" has only out pins
11:03 AM Tom_itx: did you ask them?
11:06 AM Tom_L: http://raspberrypi.znix.com/hipidocs/topic_gpiodev.htm
11:06 AM R2E4_bevins1: Hey Tommy, you know about JA?
11:07 AM Tom_L: https://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1032794/Simple-I-O-device-driver-for-RaspberryPi
11:08 AM Tom_itx: seem to be several if you ask google
11:09 AM Tom_itx: <--> Tom_L
11:14 AM malcom2073: We got some pi zero's at work, they're pretty nifty little boards, tiny tiny
11:14 AM jym: malcom2073: You've seen ESP8266-01's? Smaller than a postage stamp
11:14 AM malcom2073: Yep, but they don't run a full linux
11:15 AM malcom2073: I use ESP's for assorted stuff, they're pretty cool
11:15 AM malcom2073: and very low power
11:17 AM SpeedEvil: orange pi zero if you actually want to be able to order >1 too
11:18 AM malcom2073: Yeah we had to order from like 5 or 6 different places
11:18 AM wicki_: the problem is not to use the rapsi-gpio. the problem is: is there a hal_driver already existing?
11:19 AM wicki_: in machinekit is an hal_gpio.c included - but there are only out-pins defined
11:21 AM wicki_: but I need at least 2 input-pins...
11:24 AM SpeedEvil: There is also a nonzero chance someone in #raspberrypi may have a clue
11:25 AM malcom2073: You should also try the machinekit mailing list, see if maybe there are plans to add input to it?
11:27 AM archivist: it has been done with linuxcnc see mailing lists
11:28 AM archivist: but it is not an easy route to follow, just use a normal pc
11:31 AM wicki_: I think, I'm just too stupid to see the solution. https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit/blob/master/src/hal/drivers/hal_gpio.c
11:31 AM archivist: in here we dont really support machinekit
11:31 AM archivist: too many changes
11:31 AM wicki_: maybe a loadrt-parameter - but I can't find an example
11:31 AM irpython: has anyone here bought and cut carbon fiber plates in the US? What bit/rpm? where can I source carbon fiber plates (12"x12")?
11:32 AM irpython: also how much force/weight can a 1/8" 12x12 inch cf plate take?
11:33 AM * archivist points at the maker for that sort of info
11:39 AM irpython: http://dragonplate.com/ecart/product.asp?pID=3958&cID=92 - $75 - perhaps someone knows where to source them cheaper?
11:44 AM wicki_: ah.... maybe "loadrt hal_gpio dir=" is the right parameter-syntax
11:45 AM malcom2073: wicki_: Like archivist said, machinekit has too many changes, so any advice we give you is likely to be wrong
11:47 AM archivist: someone has done something for linuxcnc which I pointed him in the direction of a while ago, gene got a pi3 running but dont thing he is using the pru
11:48 AM malcom2073: The BBB has a pru, the pi afaik does not
11:50 AM archivist: I see in the mailing list mention of a mesa card for the IO
11:50 AM malcom2073: I've heard of someone using an ethernet mesa with the pi, that's on my list of things to try
11:50 AM archivist: methinks unless a reasonable coder, dont go there :)
11:51 AM malcom2073: I am :-P
11:53 AM sync_: the joy with the pis that the ethernet chipset is on the usb
11:53 AM irpython: how do i calculate what weight a 12" x 18" x 2mm carbon sheet can take?
11:55 AM sync_: you can do composite simulation, but you have to tune it well to your materials, the easiest way is to try it
11:57 AM irpython: sync_: I've to apply 10kg weight - I need a rough estimate - 12" x 18" x 1mm or 2mm or 3mm
11:57 AM irpython: I think the answer is 2 or 3 - 3.5 i know will take it. Not sure about 2mm
11:59 AM _abc_: Hello. #devuan just announced a jessie with no systemd. I assume the nice people who make the live linuxnc disks could be insterested? Channel #devuan on freenode, https://dev1galaxy.org/ forum with links to devuan.org .
12:00 PM * _abc_ is looking forward to the next jessie based linuxcnc live disk :)
12:08 PM jym: _abc_: Why?
12:08 PM _abc_: why not?
12:08 PM roycroft: systemd has nothing to do with why linuxcnc is not being provided on jessie right now
12:08 PM roycroft: and jessie without systemd is not jessie
12:09 PM _abc_: It's about time, no? Wheezy has been ...wheezing for a while.
12:09 PM _abc_: jessie w/o systemd is devuan!
12:09 PM roycroft: go learn why and then come back
12:09 PM roycroft: it has to do with the rt kernel
12:09 PM roycroft: not systemd
12:09 PM jym: _abc_: Live on the bleeding edge and you'll get cut
12:10 PM roycroft: and if you want to run linuxcnc on jessie you can do so today
12:10 PM _abc_: I know, I know. But I have lived in misery with systemd and certain audio things lennart made. I want my freedom and sanity back.
12:10 PM roycroft: you just have to install your own kernel
12:10 PM _abc_: I know.
12:10 PM roycroft: then you're an idiot
12:10 PM roycroft: there's nothing wrong with systemd
12:10 PM _abc_: I was talking about the live images, official.
12:10 PM roycroft: it's just different
12:10 PM roycroft: i'm sick of systemd whiners
12:10 PM jym: _abc_: Ok, so what's the benefit?
12:10 PM _abc_: systemd is not maintainable when serious errors occur at boot time in a system. I have strong opinions after wasting close to weeks on this.
12:11 PM roycroft: see above
12:11 PM roycroft: i'm no fan of systemd
12:11 PM roycroft: i'm an old school bsd guy who likes to keep things simple
12:11 PM _abc_: The main benefit is when things go south they tend to be more manageable without systemd. That's the way things are now. They will get better, no doubt, but not now.
12:11 PM roycroft: but there is absolutely nothingf wrong with systemd
12:11 PM roycroft: bullshit
12:11 PM roycroft: systemd works perfectly well
12:11 PM _abc_: Yes I am an old school guy who has run a linux desktop and umpteen servers and embedded boxes since at least 1996.
12:12 PM _abc_: And until systemd none of the mainstream live dvd's had problems, and when they had some, they could be fixed. Even knoppix moved to a systemd less dvd release recently, he got fed up with it.
12:12 PM malcom2073: Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal
12:12 PM _abc_: Read the writing on the wall.
12:13 PM * roycroft decides to go out and work on his lathe stand, because systemd hate is even more stupid and pointless than emacs vs vs. vi religious arguments
12:13 PM _abc_: Anyway, I did not come here to pick a fight. I just hope the next live iso release from linuxcnc.org will use devuan or another systemd less system.
12:13 PM malcom2073: roycroft: nano 4 lyfe!
12:13 PM malcom2073: :-P
12:13 PM * malcom2073 runs
12:14 PM roycroft: _abc_: you are free to make your own livecd
12:14 PM roycroft: with or without systemd
12:14 PM roycroft: TECO RULEZ
12:14 PM malcom2073: roycroft: I had to google that :)
12:14 PM roycroft: i really am old school :)
12:15 PM irpython: anyone cuts carbon fiber here?
12:16 PM roycroft: although i have to admit i haven't used teco in probably 35 years
12:17 PM archivist: decimal place wrong in price http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MILWAUKEE-Rohm-1-4-Hex-Drive-Impact-Rated-0-5mm-6-5mm-Drill-Chuck-4932314867-/371018434175
12:18 PM malcom2073: archivist: "33 sold"
12:18 PM archivist: 33 idiots found
12:18 PM malcom2073: I'm in the wrong line of work
12:18 PM roycroft: that must be the one made out platinum
12:18 PM archivist: fleecing customers is just not nice
12:19 PM malcom2073: I got a tapamatic for $200 on an amazon price error a couple months ago
12:19 PM irpython: which alum alloy to buy for strength? 1060? 5086?
12:19 PM malcom2073: Price errors are sometimes fun
12:19 PM IchGucksLive: hi
12:20 PM jym: irpython: Don't use aluminum, use unubtanium instead.
12:20 PM irpython: jym: I'm looking to build a quadcopter - so weight and strength are my concerns
12:20 PM irpython: carbon fiber cutting is hazardous, so am thinking of something else
12:20 PM jym: irpython: It's MUCH MUCH lighter and stronger that CF and AL
12:21 PM irpython: jym: wherecan i buy a 12" x 12" sheet?
12:21 PM irpython: how much is the cost?
12:21 PM jym: irpython: Best to google, hard to find sometimes.
12:22 PM archivist: someone is failing to google
12:22 PM irpython: archivist: that spelling does not yield any results
12:22 PM irpython: "unubtanium"
12:22 PM archivist: if you fall for that, what else can I say
12:23 PM irpython: well you asked me to google ;)
12:23 PM irpython: k - can we get back to 12" x 12" alum sheets - which alloy?
12:23 PM IchGucksLive: irpython: what is the part for
12:23 PM irpython: quadcopter
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: ok so why not a cheep ready made part
12:24 PM _abc_: unobtainium is just a cheap substitute for unicornium
12:24 PM IchGucksLive: you are expirience new tech
12:24 PM irpython: IchGucksLive: need to build something custom
12:26 PM IchGucksLive: are you in the US
12:26 PM irpython: yes
12:26 PM irpython: 0.019" alum does not work for me for sure. I've a sheet here - that bends easily
12:27 PM irpython: which alloy is good for flat thin sheets so that it does not bend like paper
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Metalized-Adhesive-Vinyl-Sheet-12-x-12-Carbon-Fiber-Diamond-Plate-/172244986550
12:28 PM IchGucksLive: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Metalized-Adhesive-Vinyl-Sheet-12-x-12-Carbon-Fiber-Diamond-Plate-/172244977131
12:30 PM irpython: IchGucksLive: what material is that!? Can't be CF at that price. My quad is supposed to fly in 100 degree weather
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Sheet-Fiber-Glass-Plate-FR4-Epoxy-Resin-Board-Fiberglass-Sheet-12x12-/192025345721
12:30 PM IchGucksLive: go for fiberglass
12:31 PM irpython: IchGucksLive: are those safe to cnc in house? how much weight can those materials you liked take?
12:31 PM IchGucksLive: yes you can mill it
12:31 PM IchGucksLive: no harm
12:31 PM IchGucksLive: get a vaccum cleaner on side
12:31 PM irpython: not like CF CNC - cancer invitation
12:31 PM irpython: right?
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: best to use one with waterjet particel filtering
12:32 PM irpython: fiberglass is another pain - wear a suit...
12:32 PM IchGucksLive: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Glassfibre-Sheet-GRP-Epoxy-Glass-G10-FR4-Fibreglass-Sheet-12-x6/322241939518
12:33 PM IchGucksLive: this is G10
12:33 PM irpython: http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=1246&step=4&id=76&CAWELAID=120293320000021066&gclid=CjwKEAjw_uvHBRDUkumF0tLFp3cSJACAIHMY5zMbr_JH3b3D0NFZ7K-Yd8oJrTdpnWtpPpW3TVJW5xoCArLw_wcB ?
12:33 PM IchGucksLive: this is the real hard stff
12:33 PM IchGucksLive: thin and stable as steel
12:33 PM irpython: IchGucksLive: that alum link you mean?
12:34 PM irpython: IchGucksLive: whatis G10? Is that safe to cut/inhale?
12:34 PM IchGucksLive: i woudt not like to eat this stuff
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: you need to make smal safty apliences
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: as you also need to mill Alloy
12:35 PM IchGucksLive: the chips are not soposed to go to your dinner plate
12:35 PM irpython: https://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=239&step=2&top_cat=60 - which one from here should i look at?
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: its nothing different as we all make PCB Fr4 parts
12:36 PM irpython: IchGucksLive: The problem is that many of these - if even particles are left on the Machine, are carciogenic later...
12:36 PM irpython: IchGucksLive: is that what is used in PCBs? G10?
12:36 PM irpython: IchGucksLive: If I have to go with alum, which one of those makes sense to use?
12:36 PM IchGucksLive: on Aloy you need at least 4mm
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: depends on pocketing and frame
12:37 PM IchGucksLive: what mill do you got
12:37 PM irpython: Alum alloy - I think .125" should do
12:38 PM irpython: an old 6040 - friend has it
12:38 PM irpython: no- its an omio cnc
12:38 PM IchGucksLive: 3mm will not fit your need on the 12x12
12:38 PM irpython: this one fits 500mm x 250mm x ...
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: it is a part issue to use 50 or 60 aloy
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: the bridges
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: if you have lets say .5"
12:40 PM IchGucksLive: 50 will do it
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: if it is lower and needs to hold 60 is better
12:41 PM irpython: 6061 alum seems to be recommended at places
12:41 PM IchGucksLive: then go for it
12:42 PM irpython: what is the difference between 7075-T6? -T73? -O?
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: the MG
12:43 PM irpython: MG?
12:43 PM IchGucksLive: as lower as more stiff it is
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: Magnesia
12:44 PM IchGucksLive: but it is then like glass breaking
12:44 PM irpython: which one has best strength/weight ratio?
12:46 PM IchGucksLive: im in europ we have othere Norms
12:46 PM irpython: brb
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: if you can get dural -alloy
12:48 PM IchGucksLive: that is used most to realy get best strength waight
12:49 PM IchGucksLive: it can go from 600-1000 as hard as steal
12:50 PM IchGucksLive: For instance its used to make bicycles chain plates
12:59 PM IchGucksLive: ok i looked in the University Libary on strength list
01:00 PM IchGucksLive: EN AW 6082 T6 1,5 - 3,0mm 290-310 N(mm²
01:01 PM CaptHindsight: 1) Please list your fears e.g., system D, cancer, bears, Oprah, before we can answer your LCNC questions
01:02 PM IchGucksLive: EN AW 7075 T6 1,5 - 3,0 540
01:03 PM IchGucksLive: EN AW 5083 H22, 32 1,5 - 3,0 305 - 380
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: the 5083 i woudt go 4mm
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: the 6082 3mm
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: and on the 7075 2.5mm
01:04 PM IchGucksLive: to see the same effect
01:05 PM IchGucksLive: CaptHindsight: beer
01:06 PM IchGucksLive: irpython: now its on you
01:07 PM IchGucksLive: there are scale modell chanels that may have more expiriances on what to go for on your need
01:09 PM IchGucksLive: im off Gn8 from Germany
01:19 PM _abc_: roycroft:
01:19 PM _abc_: https://in.waw.pl/systemd-github-state/systemd-issues.svg best advocacy picture ever for #devuan.org -- this is the open / closed issues graph linked from lennart's own systemd homepage.
01:19 PM * _abc_ rests his case
01:20 PM _abc_: One in five issues open, trend stable, count increasing monotonically over 2 years with no relief in sight.
01:32 PM malcom2073: So they need help, best to abandon project and give them less help!
01:40 PM malcom2073: fwiw I don't have a dog in the fight, but I like to poke people who do.
01:54 PM sync_: that picture does not tell anything _abc_, you have to put it into perspective somehow to draw conclusions
01:58 PM CaptHindsight: _abc_: the devs are busy enough with just supporting LCNC...
01:59 PM CaptHindsight: if you want something without systemD then roll your own ...
01:59 PM _abc_: yes, sir, captain, sir
02:00 PM t12: linx on the desktop 2017 lets go!
02:00 PM t12: linux
02:00 PM CaptHindsight: we needed RTAI so we ported it to newer kernels along with building our own distros
02:00 PM _abc_: I know.
02:00 PM t12: i like how linux on the desktop has come to mean take everything linux zealots hated about windows architecture, and then implement it in linux
02:00 PM CaptHindsight: the devs have enough to do as it is
02:00 PM _abc_: t12: yes!
02:01 PM CaptHindsight: t12: well they do everything else first then maybe the right thing
02:01 PM t12: the ubuntuification of linux is pretty awful too
02:01 PM _abc_: Hey, the latest thing linux does like windows is, use users as paying beta testers. Yay. Profit. /me looks in the general direction of red hat for no particular reason
02:02 PM t12: like who ever took these opengl window manager people seriously
02:02 PM t12: and allowed them to contribute
02:02 PM t12: they should be flogged mercilessly
02:02 PM CaptHindsight: t12: it was a slow boilubuntu
02:02 PM t12: at least redhat made a standard and stuck with it
02:02 PM _abc_: But then they hired Lennart :::)
02:02 PM t12: and it was an effective enough standard that major software companies would adhere to it
02:03 PM t12: and then if you didnt want to deal with redhat you could just centos which worked fine except support, which i at least never needed
02:03 PM t12: over many hundreds of systems
02:03 PM CaptHindsight: something made most of them think that the phone and tablet were going to be the new desktop
02:03 PM t12: the reign of the fingerpainters
02:03 PM _abc_: hey even node.js and jquery now have android look and feel (dark+blue) skins
02:04 PM t12: theres been lots of node.js lol lately
02:04 PM t12: like people releasing node desktop apps against staticly linked version of chromium
02:04 PM t12: then never updating for the very large pile of bugs
02:04 PM t12: looking at you, TI
02:04 PM sync_: what is wrong with oGL on the desktop? if people want that, why not
02:05 PM CaptHindsight: what parts of Sailfish are binary? or is it just that it can have binaries vs does/must have binaries?
02:05 PM _abc_: I just had a bad experience here, cleaned the bathroom with alcohol in relevant places, gas leakage alarm went on in the kitchen next door, spent 10 minutes trying to find out if it is leaking. Alcohol vapor would fire up a gas leakage alarm, right?
02:05 PM sync_: it depends on how shitty it is
02:06 PM CaptHindsight: what's a gas leak alarm? How does it work? What does it actually detect?
02:06 PM _abc_: Back to business: I need some extra buttons on the Axis gui. I did that by hand, py edit. Now I want to make it a patch against future Axis releases. How stable is Axis? Many changes between versions likely to make patch choke on some chunks? The patch ...
02:06 PM _abc_: ... is really small.
02:06 PM _abc_: 3 buttons for now. Will be more.
02:06 PM sync_: my dtek select is suprisingly sensitive to all kinds of hydrocarbons
02:06 PM t12: i think they're IR absorbance?
02:06 PM _abc_: CaptHindsight: it's a catalytic detector, electronic, which detects flammable vapor reaction with air oxygen.
02:06 PM skunkworks_: _abc_, I don't think axis changes much
02:06 PM _abc_: t12: no, that's CO2.
02:07 PM sync_: you can get the same for hydrocarbons
02:07 PM _abc_: skunkworks_: So even if it changes, will be fairly incremental, no?
02:07 PM CaptHindsight: so it's a hydrocarbon detector?
02:08 PM _abc_: CaptHindsight: if you have gas water heating and or gas cooking range there should be a gas leakage detector in the relevant space (room), wired to a cutoff valve.
02:08 PM _abc_: CaptHindsight: yes.
02:08 PM CaptHindsight: try putting a slice of toast next to it
02:08 PM CaptHindsight: then bacon
02:08 PM malcom2073: mmmm bacon
02:09 PM CaptHindsight: _abc_: what land and time period do you live in?
02:09 PM _abc_: http://www.electroschematics.com/6665/gas-leak-detector-circuit/ see that blue module scrolling down? The wire caged thing?
02:09 PM _abc_: CaptHindsight: Some place I was at it would react to smoking cooking oil. But that was the fire alarm device, not the gas detector (electric range).
02:10 PM t12: some ultrasafe alternate reality
02:10 PM _abc_: EU Eastern Europe here.
02:10 PM t12: i'm suprised they let impure IRC through the dimensional gateway
02:10 PM CaptHindsight: _abc_: aren't you more worried about the Russians invading?
02:11 PM CaptHindsight: this is fun but I'll bbl
02:11 PM _abc_: https://dmohankumar.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/gas-leakage-alarm-using-mq-6-sensor-sensor-circuit-14/ CaptHindsight fyi. The sensor is $2 from China but you probably want to buy a local one for slightly more money, which is less likely to not beep you ...
02:11 PM _abc_: ... while the house is burning for 30 minutes already.
02:11 PM CaptHindsight: well better late than never
02:12 PM _abc_: No, that will not ring, ever. But they are easy to test. Orient a cigarette lighter towards the sensor, depress gas button without lighting. Should go off in 5 seconds at most.
02:13 PM t12: curiously they use refrigerant leak detectors as SF6 detectors in HV systems
02:13 PM _abc_: Hm?
02:13 PM t12: i just scored a sweet pile of FEI gas manifold/valve things
02:13 PM _abc_: SF6 is not a refrigerant?
02:13 PM _abc_: ^!
02:14 PM t12: i suppose aything is a refrigerant
02:14 PM _abc_: Do you people put smoke detectors near your cnc's? Working fast in plastic and MDF can lead to... results...
02:14 PM t12: but in this case its an insulator
02:14 PM t12: https://adobe.ly/2oxiqcv
02:14 PM _abc_: http://www.advancedspecialtygases.com/pdf/SF6.pdf okay so it IS a refrigerant. Milspec even.
02:14 PM _abc_: Did not know this.
02:15 PM _abc_: "Sulfur hexafluoride has an anesthetic potency slightly lower than nitrous oxide." -- oh?
02:15 PM sync_: almost every liquid/gas can be used for refrigeration, the question more or less is if it is practical
02:16 PM _abc_: I know, but refrigerent gas detectors are normally Fluorine compound sensitive iirc
02:16 PM _abc_: SF6 has plenty of that.
02:17 PM _abc_: And indeed they seem to use infrared.
02:18 PM _abc_: "For example, SF6 has a strong absorbance at 10.7 µm" - nice, that's CO2 wavelength
02:19 PM _abc_: http://www.elcon.se/NDIRsensor.htm more details. So a simple far ir source (hot resistor) + 2 thermopiles = gas detector. Nice.
02:21 PM _abc_: So, do you people put a smoke detector near your cnc mill? When running unattended at least? Perhaps wired to E-Stop with a delay?
02:21 PM t12: lis there a reason some trades call high votage high tension?
02:21 PM _abc_: I've had MDF catch on fire after machining before. Smoldering nasty sawdust powder.
02:21 PM _abc_: t12: tension is en Francais.
02:35 PM Loetmichel_: _abc_: never have any curing oils like linseed oil or something similar anywhere near MDF/sawdust
02:35 PM Loetmichel_: sure way to get a fire insurance claim ;)
02:35 PM jym: I oil keep 5 gallons of190 proof alcohol near the mdf dust
02:35 PM jym: only*
02:36 PM Loetmichel_: _abc_: wouldnt that then be "haute tension"?
02:36 PM Loetmichel_: whats 190 proof?
02:36 PM Loetmichel_: i.e whats that in %?
02:37 PM Loetmichel_: and alcohol isnt that bad because it doesent cure
02:37 PM _abc_: Loetmichel_: that's a usual anglo saxon thing. Don't try to understand.
02:37 PM jym: Loetmichel_: white (invisable) flame
02:37 PM _abc_: 190 furlongs per fortnight
02:37 PM Loetmichel_: if you have a curing oil in a rug or a pile of dust it will cure fast enough to self ignite
02:37 PM _abc_: 190 proof is 95%. 200 proof is probably 100%
02:38 PM _abc_: (but 151 proof is 75.5%)
02:38 PM jym: 95 percent
02:38 PM _abc_: I just don't want to look up what the hell caused this strange measure to be used.
02:38 PM _abc_: Fahrenheit was biologically justifiable. This? Who knows.
02:39 PM _abc_: Loetmichel_: Cynoacrylate glue can also ignite in fine cotton or similar.
02:39 PM _abc_: Loetmichel_: also epoxy
02:39 PM * Loetmichel_ just checked: the 5 liters canister of 99.9% isopropyl alcohol burn invisible, too... ouch, that will be a blister ;)
02:39 PM _abc_: Loetmichel_: add a shot glass of salt (NaCl) solution to the bottle, will burn yellow.
02:40 PM _abc_: Loetmichel_: half fill shot glass with water, dump salt in it until it stops dissolving
02:40 PM _abc_: This will leave salt streaks if used for wiping.
02:40 PM Loetmichel_: _abc_: thats why i have the canisters here
02:40 PM Loetmichel_: 99.9% mediacl grade. so it doesent leave any streaks on glass panes ;)
02:40 PM _abc_: https://drizly.com/everclear-grain-190-proof/p8975 :) paint stripper. Hey they sell cheap vodka etc here too.
02:42 PM _abc_: It's similar but lower proof :)
02:42 PM _abc_: Fwiw I washed down the relevant parts of the bathroom with 75% blue medical spirit. That set off the gas detector.
02:44 PM Loetmichel_: _abc_: harhar.
02:44 PM Loetmichel_: i managed to get our smoke detectors going with my E-cig tho ;)
02:45 PM Loetmichel_: ... and that thing is on the other corner of the room from my desk ;)
02:46 PM _abc_: e-cig can probably set off any ionization smoke detector, optical ones, harder. You have optical ones, right?
02:46 PM Loetmichel_: yes
02:47 PM Loetmichel_: radioactive substances in smoke detectors is a big nono in germany... we have the green party in many of the states in the government
02:48 PM _abc_: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/ <- what is the linuxcnc response to the 3rd to last faq question, from end? RT related?
02:48 PM _abc_: s/response/solution/
02:49 PM _abc_: Loetmichel_: almost all natural substances are radioactive. Your green party has outlawed 99.999% of nature...
02:49 PM Loetmichel_: _abc_: dont tell me that
02:49 PM Loetmichel_: I know that
02:49 PM _abc_: Let's start with bananas and granite countertops... oh, and, plants. You know, C14?
02:50 PM Loetmichel_: the green idiots hear "atom*" and go ballistic.
02:50 PM _abc_: Err, you need atoms to go ballistic. Even Newtonian ballistic.
02:50 PM Loetmichel_: so americum in smoke detectors is outlawed here
02:50 PM Loetmichel_: like the h3-lights
02:51 PM _abc_: <off topic> Irish Yoga making inroads in Asia http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4435454/Thai-fitness-fanatics-demonstrate-bizarre-BEER-yoga.html
02:58 PM SpeedEvil: I prefer my initial reading of 'Irish Yoda'
03:01 PM malcom2073: "Enthusiasts are advised to drink just one or two bottles of beer during the one-hour session of yoga" That is in no way irish at all...
03:02 PM _abc_: http://nedhardy.com/2010/09/16/27-pictures-to-introduce-you-to-the-subtle-art-of-irish-yoga/
03:03 PM _abc_: Loetmichel_: zomg H3 has Kryptonite in it, right? All your Supermen are in trouble if it is imported! Makes sense!
03:03 PM _abc_: What about Neon lamps, small, Nickel radioactive dot inside? Also verboten?
03:04 PM _abc_: (It's actually Xenon but ... who knows)
03:05 PM Loetmichel_: _abc_: even TIG pins with thorium in them are not that easy to get these days
03:08 PM _abc_: Don't you have RF ignition which makes the Th useless?
03:10 PM _abc_: http://www.pro-fusiononline.com/tungsten/radioactivity.htm interesting @Non-Radioactive Tungsten Materials wrt TIG pins Loetmichel_
03:11 PM Loetmichel_: _abc_: no, you CAN still get them, but not on "official" channels for hobby users
03:11 PM Loetmichel_: and oi have of course a TIG with with RF start ;)
03:12 PM sync_: what?
03:12 PM sync_: you can just buy them everywhere
03:12 PM sync_: even on ebay
03:12 PM sync_: my local tool store will sell them to me no problem
03:12 PM Loetmichel_: my local one said they dont sell them to hobbyists anymore
03:13 PM _abc_: sync_: you don't live in Germany like Loetmichel_, right?
03:13 PM Loetmichel_: only to "professionals" and you have to singn a waiver
03:13 PM Loetmichel_: _abc_: he dose
03:13 PM _abc_: oh
03:13 PM Loetmichel_: actually he is pretty close
03:13 PM Loetmichel_: does
03:13 PM sync_: I do _abc_
03:13 PM _abc_: ok
03:14 PM Loetmichel_: sync_: when i have the license plates for the 318i i will drive to my sister in Solingen... i belive you are on the way, arent you=
03:14 PM Loetmichel_: ?
03:15 PM sync_: not really
03:21 PM Loetmichel_: do i mistake you for one of the other guys in the CNC channel?
03:21 PM Loetmichel_: syyl is in/melow munich...
03:22 PM Loetmichel_: that much i remember... but a few of the guys were in NRW, or did i get that wrong?
03:22 PM Loetmichel_: -m+b
03:33 PM sync_: no, rene-dev and Deejay are there
03:35 PM rene-dev: thorium tig stuff is no problem here in the local store
03:35 PM rene-dev: they just gave it to me
03:36 PM SpeedEvil: Thoriated, not thorium.
03:57 PM rene-dev: yes yes
04:06 PM jym: SpeedEvil: CESIUM BABY!
04:07 PM jym: SpeedEvil: Just had 30+% humidity and BAM! Or should I say KaBOOM?!
04:07 PM jym: add*
04:13 PM JT-Shop: wonderful the blue screen of death on the windblows pc
04:13 PM {HD}: Is there a linuxcnc on mint guide?
04:13 PM jym: VM's are wonderful things
04:15 PM JT-Shop: on the forum there is
04:16 PM {HD}: Should I go Preempt or RTAI?
04:18 PM {HD}: I guess this is preempt... https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=72
04:29 PM Deejay: gn8
05:24 PM JT-Shop: yea, uspace is on preempt
05:43 PM XXCoder: man
05:43 PM XXCoder: im an idiot sometimes
05:43 PM XXCoder: I want to talk with doc about certain health issue but website is unclear on how to request check on that
05:44 PM XXCoder: ah consulting nurse call nice
05:45 PM roycroft: the hydraulic ram on my cherry picker is leaky
05:46 PM roycroft: i bled it and topped off the hydraulic fluid and it still leaks down
05:46 PM roycroft: so i went to get a new one
05:46 PM roycroft: and while i was at the store i noticed the only difference between a 1 ton (which is what i have) cherry picker and a 2 ton one is the size of the ram
05:47 PM roycroft: 1 ton uses a 3 ton ram, and 2 ton uses an 8 ton ram
05:47 PM roycroft: so now i have a 2 ton cherry picker
05:47 PM XXCoder: nice
05:47 PM roycroft: yes
05:47 PM roycroft: and the 8 ton ram was on sale, and i used a 20% off coupon on top of that
05:48 PM roycroft: so i upgraded my cherry picker for $52
05:48 PM roycroft: what this means is that i can lift my lathe with the crane at full extension now
05:52 PM XXCoder: nice
05:55 PM malcom2073: I think I want to build a dynamic balancer
05:56 PM XXCoder: the small one with touch screen used as sensor?
05:56 PM XXCoder: with 2 servos?
05:57 PM malcom2073: I have a 3600 count 6000rpm max encoder, figure it ought to be an interesting experamanet
05:58 PM XXCoder: fancy
05:58 PM malcom2073: experiment*
05:59 PM malcom2073: I want to play around with some spinning stuff, so having it balanced is a good idea
06:00 PM XXCoder: :)
06:01 PM malcom2073: That's 360khz at max speed, wonder if I can make an arduino catch it fast enough to be adequate without having to go for any higher power hardware
06:03 PM malcom2073: Also have to figure out how to catch the linear movement, accelerometers? Or maybe a linear pot?
06:08 PM rene-dev: Piezoelectric
06:10 PM malcom2073: Oh I hadn't thought about that, that's a good idea
06:10 PM malcom2073: piezo force sensor of some sort
06:12 PM malcom2073: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10293
06:12 PM malcom2073: Like that
06:28 PM XXCoder: ugh
06:28 PM XXCoder: I hate long phone calls
07:02 PM JT-Shop: XXCoder: I ordered one of those $75 bind and fly fpv quads
07:03 PM XXCoder: nice
07:03 PM XXCoder: let me know how good it is
07:04 PM JT-Shop: I figure it's a painless way to test out fpv
07:05 PM t12: i tried one
07:05 PM t12: it was suprisingly hard to fly
07:05 PM JT-Shop: which one?
07:05 PM t12: some little carbon fiber frame + quadcopter + rc controller
07:05 PM t12: with some assist autopilot and some visor camera
07:05 PM t12: i forget what build
07:05 PM t12: they sure do move alot of air!
07:06 PM JT-Shop: http://alofthobbies.com/vantac-q100-fpv.html
07:09 PM XXCoder: interesting motor mounts
07:09 PM XXCoder: I wonder if other 4 motors, pointing down, can use done lol
07:09 PM XXCoder: 8 motors far more powerful but battery eater lol
07:10 PM JT-Shop: funny aloft hobbies is cheaper than banggood
07:14 PM XXCoder: wonder why
07:14 PM XXCoder: make a quadcoper using 2020 extrusions, I dare you
07:15 PM malcom2073: 2020 is a bit heavy
07:16 PM XXCoder: too bad we dont have awesome batteries.
07:16 PM malcom2073: I have some inch 3030 though... :-D
07:17 PM XXCoder: 10 gram battery that can store output of nuclear fission power output of a year lol
08:16 PM archivist: malcom2073, http://www.technologie-entwicklung.de/Gasturbines/Balancing_Tool/balancing_tool.html
08:27 PM malcom2073: archivist: nice!
08:27 PM roycroft: the quick change gear box on my lathe is pretty sloppy, to the point that it's really hard to engage the levers
08:27 PM roycroft: i assume this is fairly common on an old lathe
08:28 PM roycroft: without having inspected the gearbox itself (i was going to , but when i removed the cover to inspect it/lube the gears as the operator's manual suggests, i found a second, solid cover that could not remove - the whole front gearbox case will need to be removed to access that), is it generally a major undertaking to tighten that up
08:28 PM roycroft: ?
08:29 PM roycroft: i'm not going to do much, if anything, until i get the machine up on a stand
08:29 PM roycroft: sitting on the floor is not at all fun
08:30 PM XXCoder: yeah better stand first
08:30 PM archivist: malcom2073, been in my bookmarks for a long time, also have an Bruel & Kjaer basic listing for an HP 98xx for balancing
08:30 PM roycroft: it also turns out that the lathe needs exactly one extra change gear - a 30 tooth gear, for some metric threads
08:30 PM roycroft: and that is missing, but i'm sure that can be sourced, should i ever neeed it
08:30 PM roycroft: or made
08:30 PM archivist: malcom2073, http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=balancing
08:31 PM roycroft: an attempt to cut a 20tpi thread resulted in a poorly formed 20tpi thread
08:32 PM roycroft: so at least i know that the gear box works and the chart is correct
08:34 PM roycroft: i can cut threads from 4-112tpi on this lathe without touching the change gears, which is not the case with most of the modern lathes of this size that i see - i like that a lot
08:34 PM malcom2073: archivist: Nice radial turbine there
08:34 PM roycroft: and to cut metric threads i just have to swap the 120 and 127 tooth gears, which are both on the same shaft
08:34 PM malcom2073: RC engine?
08:35 PM archivist: malcom2073, yes small jet
08:35 PM malcom2073: I wanna build one, but that's way out in the future, IC engine first.
08:49 PM irpython: I've a omio cnc, is there a way I can put a material inside oil/liquid and cut? Has anyone done this here?
08:49 PM XXCoder: I saw a video of guy milling stone
08:49 PM XXCoder: it was in container full of water
08:50 PM XXCoder: plus pump to keep water flowing at tool
08:51 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxPEWbx-Qs0 irpython
08:54 PM jdh: biggest problem would be work holding
08:54 PM XXCoder: indeed
08:55 PM XXCoder: other video he simply pumps water direct into tool and stone, and theres barrel below it that captures water and pumped out again
08:55 PM XXCoder: that ones quite lossy
09:07 PM irpython: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J102b4-cifs - where can i find those water rails in the US to buy?
09:10 PM jdh: you could just make them
09:11 PM XXCoder: thqats pretty cool
09:11 PM XXCoder: and dunno
09:11 PM irpython: jdh: where can I get that alum channels from? :)
09:12 PM jdh: home depot, lowes, hardware store
09:12 PM XXCoder: looks like standard T extrusion
09:12 PM jdh: outside looks like angle
09:12 PM XXCoder: yeah might be that, but T would give inside surface to mount flat area
09:13 PM jdh: sure. why though?
09:13 PM XXCoder: 1:30 shows inside flange
09:14 PM irpython: are they using CF at the bottom to hold the water?
09:14 PM XXCoder: I wonder what sheet is
09:14 PM XXCoder: ah CF looks like
09:14 PM jdh: they are cutting CF
09:14 PM jdh: you could make the bath out of anything.
09:15 PM jdh: wood and waterproof it
09:15 PM XXCoder: *anything watertightable heh
09:15 PM irpython: is MDF water proof? :) I've some lying so i ask
09:15 PM XXCoder: pretty cool video
09:15 PM XXCoder: well you can protect it I guess
09:16 PM XXCoder: by itself no
09:16 PM jdh: heh, mdf is prob least waterproof theing around
09:16 PM XXCoder: yeah its less waterproof than paper
09:16 PM irpython: oh ok, so no mdf
09:16 PM XXCoder: easiest is just buy bunch L or T extrusions at local shop, and some alum sheet
09:17 PM XXCoder: if can weld, weld. if not bolts and decent sealant
09:17 PM jdh: plexiglas, hdpe, whatever. still workholding issues
09:17 PM jdh: do you need to cut CF in water?
09:17 PM XXCoder: techinically no. I dont know what irp is planning to cut. rocks I think
09:18 PM irpython: jdh: well I definitely dont want to risk CF dust inside my house?
09:18 PM XXCoder: pretty nasty, that.
09:18 PM jdh: some of the sidebar videos show cutting CF in air
09:18 PM irpython: I'm not even sure if a water bed is a good idea - still researching that
09:18 PM XXCoder: can do not always translate to should
09:19 PM irpython: jdh: not inside the house, and its very dangerous in the long run
09:19 PM irpython: XXCoder: exactly
09:22 PM XXCoder: CF bicycle gear??
09:22 PM XXCoder: interestong
09:23 PM irpython: XXCoder: make a car from CF - 100+mpg ;-)
09:23 PM XXCoder: lol
09:23 PM XXCoder: entire car
09:24 PM XXCoder: imange the mill time
09:24 PM XXCoder: even cf nuts and bolts
09:24 PM XXCoder: conductive CF wires :P
09:25 PM irpython: XXCoder: just the base platform and the rods should be enough :)
09:25 PM XXCoder: nah everything
09:25 PM XXCoder: well except computers sparkplugs and wires
09:26 PM XXCoder: few sensors
09:27 PM chopper79: Evening all
09:27 PM XXCoder: cf mirrors, just vapor finish shiny on it lol
09:27 PM irpython: XXCoder: send me one, when you make one ;)
09:27 PM XXCoder: lol
09:27 PM XXCoder: engine might be hard, needs BIG bliock of cf :P
09:27 PM irpython: where is a good place to buy CF Sheet in the US?
09:27 PM irpython: XXCoder: nope - just a motor + LiPO :)
09:28 PM irpython: dont think 300 year old tech :)
09:28 PM XXCoder: ah good idea, it'll be pretty light. better to go electric
09:28 PM chopper79: Quick question.... Will a high latency on my PC require my FERROR to be high? Right now my FERROR is about .05 and it shoul dbe down in the .005 or lower range.
09:29 PM chopper79: Part of me is thinking the high latency will cause this. Using a 7i92+7i77 and my latency is about 350000
09:29 PM chopper79: I have a new MB on the way, just wanting to get opinions on this issue.
09:31 PM irpython: XXCoder: are you in US?
09:32 PM XXCoder: yeh
09:32 PM XXCoder: just havent needed cf lol
09:32 PM XXCoder: 350k? thats deep into "not a cnc computer" land.
09:33 PM irpython: XXCoder: what are you cutting?
09:34 PM XXCoder: wood
09:34 PM XXCoder: and barely at that lol
09:34 PM XXCoder: I finished 2020 extrusion box for my machine electrics but havent done anything more.
09:35 PM irpython: cool
09:48 PM pcw_home: chopper79: maximum ferror depends on tuning and latency (and setup)
09:48 PM Kevin`: 350000ns maximum jitter should be ok if you aren't doing software stepping and make the control loop aware of it. it's indeed not great though, try more computers
09:49 PM XXCoder: Kevin`: really? tb6600 is hardware step gen so I guess jitter would matter less?
09:50 PM pcw_home: chopper79: With a 7I92/7I77, You can eliminate most latency contributions to LinuxCNCs ferror if you enable DPLL encoder sampling
09:50 PM Kevin`: XXCoder: it's the 7i92 doing hardware step gen
09:52 PM XXCoder: parallel port card?
09:54 PM pcw_home: chopper79: same with stepgen, gets the position sampling time jitter down to 200 or so ns
09:56 PM {HD}: anyone running LCNC on mint 18.1 or is it recommended to still use 17.3?
09:56 PM Kevin`: XXCoder: it's an fpga card. the timing is done with purely deterministic hardware and the computer tells it how many steps to step with what timing etc.
09:56 PM XXCoder: im wondering what tb6600 really does
09:56 PM XXCoder: if it dont generate steps
09:57 PM pcw_home: without using the DPLL, you will need to have an added ferror headroom of velocity*max jitter (so say 7 mills added headroom needed with 350 usec jitter and 20 IPS)
09:57 PM Kevin`: tb6600 consumes steps and generates waveforms for the motor windings
09:57 PM XXCoder: ahh
09:59 PM Kevin`: listen to pcb btw, he makes the thing
09:59 PM Kevin`: pcw*
10:06 PM chopper79: pcw_home: Thank you, and is there a location I can read up on tis DPLL encoder sampling?
10:07 PM chopper79: XXCoder: I agree... which is why I have a new MB on the way.
10:08 PM XXCoder: cool
10:08 PM pcw_home: The hostmot2 man page has some info
10:08 PM pcw_home:
10:08 PM chopper79: Ok I will check it out.
10:08 PM chopper79: Thank you
10:10 PM pcw_home: Though if you have 350 usec latency in the latency test you may run into other issues
10:11 PM XXCoder: chopper79: hopefully it will have decent video card. its fgood way to cut latency hard
10:11 PM chopper79: I agree.... I know it is up there. It is an older D525 processor. I got a new MB using the J1900
10:12 PM pcw_home: you might want to check the servo-thread.tmax and make sure its not more than 1/2 of motion.servo.last.period
10:13 PM pcw_home: D525s are pretty poor with Preempt-RT (just too slow)
10:14 PM chopper79: Only board I had sitting around to get this mill going with. Figure if I can make it dance using this then a new MB would be that much better.
10:18 PM pcw_home: basically to use the DPLL for encpder sampling, you would add:
10:18 PM pcw_home: setp hm2_7i92.0.encoder.timer-number 1 # use timer 1
10:18 PM pcw_home: setp hm2_7i82.0.dpll.01.timer-us -100 # sample encoders 100 usec before nominal read time
10:19 PM pcw_home: 7i92 not 7i82 in the last line
10:23 PM chopper79: I will give it a shot. Reading the man page about it now.
10:26 PM chopper79: I know it is not LCNC related.... but my DIY incubator is working well and the first couple eggs are pipped and almost unzipped. Should have some new chicks in the next 24hrs tops.
10:26 PM XXCoder: nice
10:26 PM XXCoder: man more and more people is getting chickens. wonder why
10:27 PM chopper79: I always have had them... good eggs and good meat.
10:27 PM XXCoder: 3d printer heated plate can do the job im sure
10:27 PM chopper79: Got turkey also.... 7 Bronze Broad Breasted.
10:29 PM roycroft: nature made turkeys so that chickens don't feel dumb
10:29 PM XXCoder: lol
10:29 PM XXCoder: I dont mind having chickens but rental house cant do that
10:29 PM chopper79: Yeah I used a light bulb this time. If I rebuild this one I will use an Arduino with a DTH22. Then use it to keep heat, humidity, and egg turning in order.
10:30 PM chopper79: roycroft: I agree... my turkeys are pretty dumb.
10:31 PM roycroft: calling the "pea-brained" is actually quite accurate
10:31 PM XXCoder: I saw video where 2 chickens stopped 2 cats from fighting
10:31 PM roycroft: but they know how to eat, poop, and make whoopie
10:31 PM roycroft: and that's all that is required of a species
10:31 PM XXCoder: and other one where crow picked on 2 cats, and fight was worse because of that lol
10:31 PM roycroft: so they meet the minimal standard
10:32 PM XXCoder: roy and reasonable avoidance of death lol
10:32 PM roycroft: they're not so great at that
10:32 PM XXCoder: yeah. "reasonable" means live long enough to have kids
10:32 PM roycroft: but the less adept a species is at death avoidance, the more often the species breeds to compensate
10:36 PM roycroft: hmm, snl is a repeat tonight
10:36 PM roycroft: i guess i won't be watching it live again
10:36 PM XXCoder: watch some MTSK3K
10:36 PM roycroft: last week was the first time since 1980 that i've been able to watch it live
10:37 PM roycroft: i spent most of today trying to souce some tool drawers for my lathe stand
10:38 PM roycroft: at the end of the day, the only ones that i was able to find, either online or locally, that would work were some kennedys
10:38 PM roycroft: and they are $500 each
10:38 PM roycroft: not going to happen
10:38 PM roycroft: oh, there was an $850 waterloo as well
10:38 PM roycroft: so i'm going to make a couple drawer units for it out of wood
10:38 PM XXCoder: kenndys are overpriced as hell
10:39 PM roycroft: now i can finish the design of the stand, as i don't have to worry about dimensioning it to fit the drawer units
10:39 PM XXCoder: I bought big black tool cart for $660. single small kenndy cart is $800.
10:39 PM roycroft: i don't think kennedys are overpriced
10:39 PM roycroft: they are very high quality
10:39 PM roycroft: but i can't cost justify that quality for this project
10:40 PM roycroft: kennedys are like snap-on boxes
10:40 PM roycroft: the snap-ons are great
10:40 PM roycroft: but i don't need that quality
10:40 PM roycroft: if i start making my living machining the high end stuff will make more sense
10:41 PM roycroft: while i like to work efficiently, at the moment i don't stress over how long it takes to make a part
11:02 PM chopper79: I have a large tool chest that I picked up form Menards. Heavy duty and on par with my Snap-on box. I made drawer inserts for all my mics, calipers, etc.
11:02 PM chopper79: Can not afford a Kenndy box so made good use of a much cheaper and larger box for the money.
11:02 PM XXCoder: yea makes sense
11:02 PM XXCoder: though I like costco one
11:02 PM XXCoder: nice and large
11:03 PM XXCoder: and not large price
11:03 PM chopper79: full ball bearing slides on all drawers. Full extension drawers also.
11:03 PM chopper79: Been super happy with it for the last 3 years
11:03 PM XXCoder: when I started working my current job I decided to use my car savings to buy it. been great last 2 years
11:04 PM chopper79: Awesome
11:04 PM XXCoder: yeah
11:04 PM os1r1s: The milwalkee one from HD is pretty awesome
11:05 PM os1r1s: I just picked one up a month or so ago
11:05 PM XXCoder: it was good because 2 years later my van decided to die
11:05 PM chopper79: I seent that one also. Looks nice
11:05 PM XXCoder: but I didnt do what i planned to do and buy new-ish car
11:05 PM XXCoder: its been good 5 months since
11:06 PM chopper79: cars breaking is never good. Thankfully my trusty F150 has 168K on it and has giving me zero issues besides standard maintance.
11:06 PM chopper79: Hope to get many more miles form her
11:06 PM XXCoder: too bad, I miss my van LOL
11:07 PM XXCoder: my next car is hopefully a elio
11:07 PM chopper79: Those are interesting
11:07 PM XXCoder: im 1k all in lol
11:07 PM chopper79: I like the price.... are they still about 7500-8000
11:07 PM os1r1s: My next car will be a tesla truck
11:08 PM XXCoder: 7.3k for people who didnt reserve
11:08 PM XXCoder: I already did si 7k for me. well more since I want auto and not stick
11:09 PM chopper79: I would have a hard time hualing a trailer full of 6061 bars.
11:09 PM chopper79: Need to have my truck
11:09 PM XXCoder: elio is daily commune car
11:09 PM XXCoder: perfect for going to work and back.
11:09 PM chopper79: Maybe an elio for putting around
11:09 PM XXCoder: 84 mpg dont hurt
11:10 PM XXCoder: I plan to do trip around usa with elio on vacation
11:10 PM chopper79: My truck is my work vehicle. Without it my projects stop.
11:10 PM chopper79: Would be sweet to have an elio though. Wonder how I can customize it?
11:11 PM XXCoder: theres pretty lot options
11:11 PM XXCoder: third party some more
11:11 PM XXCoder: check out "make my elio" page
11:11 PM chopper79: Airbags so I can collect reflectors from the road
11:13 PM chopper79: Wonder what EMS it has in it for the motor? Can it be turbo charged?
11:13 PM chopper79: Maybe I should not get one.... I would only break it.
11:14 PM XXCoder: lol
11:14 PM XXCoder: they made their own engine design
11:14 PM XXCoder: a first for a while
11:16 PM chopper79: by the time I was done with it, the poor thing would get 50mpg. The positive side to it is that it would not take 10.8 secs to get to 60mph
11:16 PM XXCoder: lol
11:16 PM chopper79: Leave it to a gear head to mess up a 84mpg vehicle.
11:17 PM chopper79: Wonder what the longevity is on one?
11:18 PM XXCoder: dunno
11:18 PM XXCoder: nearly everything is well tested
11:18 PM XXCoder: but not engine
11:19 PM XXCoder: for example for front wheel joists and such they use well tested postache ones, one thats well known to never have any issue
11:19 PM chopper79: Sure most of the drive chain, suspension, etc are run of the mill parts. The engine and tranny would be my biggest concern. and how well the doors shut after a year or so.
11:19 PM XXCoder: 90% usa made requirement is awesome too
11:19 PM XXCoder: yeah
11:19 PM XXCoder: first year, and new engine. im sure there will be bunch recalls.
11:20 PM XXCoder: but then im willing to take risk
11:20 PM XXCoder: theres elios that have been driving around for years
11:20 PM chopper79: I am sure..... It always test well in the lab unitl the consumer gets it. The consumer is the ultimate test bench.
11:20 PM XXCoder: I saw one personally years ago. it was p3, the gray one
11:24 PM chopper79: I guess it is not much different then a motorcycle with a top.
11:24 PM XXCoder: it different enough that elio successfuly passed autocycle defintion law in most states
11:24 PM XXCoder: only remaining I think 4 states under 18 must have helmet
11:24 PM chopper79: interesting
11:25 PM chopper79: When is delivery starting or when are you getting yours?
11:26 PM XXCoder: https://support.eliomotors.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/208870288/HelmetMap_06272016_vv5.png
11:27 PM XXCoder: good question they are still working on factory and stuff
11:27 PM chopper79: haha.... go to oreilly autoparts website and do a search for item# 121G
11:27 PM XXCoder: and testing E1 E2 so on
11:27 PM XXCoder: looking
11:28 PM XXCoder: lol
11:28 PM chopper79: Love it when companies have fun like this
11:28 PM XXCoder: anyway pic above is old info cant find new
11:29 PM XXCoder: https://www.eliomotors.com/and-then-there-were-none/
11:29 PM XXCoder: hawaii alaska and ME need helmets for below 17 ot 18
11:29 PM chopper79: Pretty cool they were able to do that
11:30 PM XXCoder: west virginia took so long. I wonder how many palms was greased
11:30 PM Crom: meh day.. made bank was about it.. don't think we made gas..
11:30 PM chopper79: and reach arounds happened
11:31 PM chopper79: Crom: making bank is good
11:32 PM chopper79: I spent bank which is bad
11:36 PM XXCoder: yay https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/04/14/159218/youtube-has-a-secret-dark-mode
11:37 PM XXCoder: finally
11:37 PM XXCoder: I was using "Color this site!" plugin to dim youtube
11:37 PM XXCoder: but it wasnt perfect
11:37 PM chopper79: why dim youtube?
11:38 PM XXCoder: more enjoyable viewing
11:39 PM chopper79: hmm
11:39 PM chopper79: Never really tried it or noticed that it was bright
11:39 PM XXCoder: its incompitable with youtube plugin though
11:39 PM XXCoder: so no threate mode
11:41 PM chopper79: Well I have to get going. Finding myself not being rpoductive and looking at the same picture over and over again.
11:41 PM XXCoder: lol later
11:42 PM Crom: laters
11:42 PM chopper79: Later
11:51 PM XXCoder: it doest work with youtube plus so disabled it by deleting cookie